Howard Deutch - The Replacements

0:00 It looks like our Ohio State Buckeyes have started the season with a win against Texas. How about that? Pretty impressive? I must say, Yeah, Garrett, if I asked you to name the greatest fictional Ohio State quarterback, what name would you give me? I would have to say, we're going way back. When to number nine Johnny Utah course point. Break played by Keanu Reeves. Yes, sir, that is not a wrong answer. I was thinking number sixteen Shane Falco, also played by Keanu Reeves. Garrett, you know what separates the winners from the losers, the score. Let's talk about a film by Howard Deutsch, his two thousand underrated football comedy The Replacements.

1:21 Welcome back, sports fans. I'm Jeff Johnson and I'm Gary Gibson, and. This is a film by podcast. We'll start things off by shouting out one of our listeners, Brad Moore, if you're out there this week, he was cheering on his LSU Tigers to a win over Clemson, So congratulations to him. We are cheering Brad on because he's also our newest Patreon member. Heck yeah, glad to have you here, Brad. Absolutely, Brad's an awesome guy. So not only do we have some of our film by swag on the way to him, in the very near future, we'll be doing a special Patreon episode just for him as soon as he decides what movie or director will be doing. And I'm curious because one of the first questions he asked was, well, what if it's a movie that you guys have already done, And I reminded him, hey, nothing is off the table, so God help us if he picks Under the Cherry Moon.

2:29 But it's his call. He's got the playbook. So if you'd like to join the huddle over on Patreon, just like Brad, check out www dot patreon dot com slash a film by podcast and sign up now for as little as three dollars. Brad, welcome and thank you for subscribing. Garrett. As always, let's start with a couple of facts and a quote from our director. This this week, Howard Deutsch attended the Ohio State University. Well fun ted bitt that I did not know. Okay, I did not know that.

3:11 I was surprised when I uncovered that. But how timely is that? I will tell you? Before directing movies, he directed music videos for both Billy Idol and Billy Joel. Which I did see that in his filmography. That's that's pretty freaking cool way to get your start, right there. I'm not gonna lie absolutely. I'll tell you another fun thing about Howard. It was during the filming of Some kind of Wonderful where Howard met his future wife, actress Leah Thompson. Okay, yeah, think about that. Think about that. She went from having a thing for Howard the Duck in nineteen eighty six having a thing for Howard the Deutsch in nineteen eighty seven.

4:00 You know, that's it. And she's got a track record, say. That she's gotta, she gotta, she's got a she got a certain type. Yeah, yeah, cool. Quote from from Howard Deutsch not Duck. Uh. This is this comes from a nineteen eighty seven interview he gave where he said, quote, I have a theory that peer pressure doesn't end with high school. It may be more glaring there because the groups are so distinct socially, but it doesn't let up as you get older. There's a pressure in any business to choose a safe project to go with the group. In corporations, there's pressure to be seen with the right people to eat in the right restaurants at all costs to avoid the smell of failure.

4:46 A case in point was the pressure on me to choose a quote safer title than Pretty in Pink. You constantly have to fight to keep everything from being reduced to the lowest common denominator. Standing on your own is not a thing that ends in high school. Man wise words by a wise man. Very wise words. I dig his energy. So Gary, let's talk a little bit about the replacements. For those that maybe haven't seen it in a while, or for those that have never seen it, you will tell us what this football comedy is all about. Absolutely, So here's the review. It's late in the season, the playoffs are fast approaching, and the Washington Sentinels have just gone on strike. Scrambling for a solution, the Sentinels owner Edward O'Neill hatches a plan to bring in a legendary coach, Jimmy Magendi played by none other then Gene Hackman, which is absolutely amazing in this to recruit a team of replacement players in exactly one week. For fans and owners alike, the strike is a disaster. Or for Shane Falco played by Keanu Reeves and a mismatch crew of outsiders.

6:03 It is a second chance they waited for their entire lives. Missed match crew of outsiders that could not There couldnot be a better description of this team in this movie. I love that. I can't believe it, but it's celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary as of as of right now, I find that hard to believe because not only does it not feel dated, not only does Keanu still look like he can throw a fifty yard touchdown pass yep, but the plot of the movie concerning players, salaries and strikes, it's still very relevant today. It truly is, especially with what we just had within NBA a couple of years ago, and is very relevant in the eighties early nineties in the NFL.

6:52 So it's not too far fetched. It's I feel like it's like the Big Three, the NFL, the NBA, in Major League Baseball. It's like every five to ten years, we the fans suffer with one of these organizations going on strike. I can't I don't recall, like has the NHL ever gone on strike? I don't recall hockey ever. I think they just enjoy what they do honestly. Yeah, they're like, all right, cool, we're gonna go out there and we're gonna get hit hard, and we're gonna hit hard. So yeah's that's all those guys want. I think all the Russians and Canadians and everything, they just enjoy it. So, you know, more power to them. All right, Yeah, I'll tell you what, Uh, more power to our sponsors. Let's take a quick break and we get back. We will. We will jump in the huddle with this amazing cast. All right, welcome back. We are discussing the replacements from two thousand, a very fun football film.

7:55 Gotta start off with number sixteen, Kunna Reeves playing Shane Falco. You know, Falco, the future of football until he choked in the nineteen ninety six Sugar Bowl, which they bring up a couple times. Now, in reality, did you realize that there was no Sugar Bowl in nineteen ninety six? I did not. Now, Yeah, So you know this movie, you know, you and I both know it's kind of loosely based off a true story. So if they're talking Sugar Bowl meltdowns, you don't really want to have anyone attaching that to a real player. You're not wrong. Yeah, So they picked ninety six because the year before, the ninety five season was played on December thirty first, nineteen ninety five, and the ninety six season wasn't played until January second, nineteen ninety seven, So officially, no Sugar Bowl in the year nineteen ninety six.

8:50 So that makes a little bit more sense of why they would actually put a time stamp on that, which is kind of why I think they leave the time frame of the film a little bit open. After that, they don't really say how long he's been away. They're like, oh, he's been gone for a while. Yeah, we just he had one season where he washed out and we don't know how long ago that was. Sports is all about the the numbers, So let's talk Keano. He takes a ninety percent pay cut on his salary so that the studio can afford Gene Hackman. Oh my gosh, okay, I mean, I don't think this film works without Gene Hackman. So that is a brilliant move on Keanu's part.

9:37 You you don't do this movie without Gene Hackman. You don't do this movie without Keanu Reeves. No, that's that's just good anyways. Yeah, more numbers, Kano gains twenty three pounds in order to have a pro football player's size. I mean, in this role, he's built a lot like that kid for Jacksonville Jaguars right now, Trevor Lawrence. He's got that tall, kind of lanky but kind of built framed to him. Yeah, he's built just like that kid. So it's very believable in this role. Now you say that, you know, even though he's even got the long hair. Yeah, right, yeah, little little Trevor Lawrence happening here during filming. You know, they did shoot on location around Baltimore and they used the Ravens Stadium.

10:23 The Ravens offered a walk on tryout to Keanu. That year, did they really? They saw they saw him throwing the ball, and they're like, hey, uh, seriously you want to you know, you got remember something too, Kena is a left hander. He is. That's not that's not really a common thing. You don't Yeah, yeah, the Ravens. Uh, he declined, obviously, But the Ravens would later go on to win Super Bowl thirty five that season. So was that Steve McNair they had that? I believe that was that was air McNair. Could you imagine Kenna Reeves starting in the Super Bowl and says, he's. You know, he's the thing. It's funny, but it's not impossible because no, Yeah, Keano, aside from being you know, the guy that creates his own motorcycle and the guy that is an action star and the guy that is mister Charity, let's not forget, he's also a rock star played for a dog Star. Did you I saw dog Star having no idea who Dogstar was, and I looked up.

11:29 I was like, why is Keanu Reeves playing guitar feet in front of me? What? What? What's going on? Yeah, I'll tell you something. They're good. That is the whole appeal to his character and Bill and Ted movies and then that video game Cyberpunk's at seventy seven or what a twenty seventy seven something like that. Yeah, huh yeah movie. I'm telling you, man, he's just fun to watch this whole time. He is. And it's a strange change of pace for something that we do have coming up that you know, nineteen ninety nine that was shot and now here we are in two thousand, YEP. A big difference between those two characters.

12:11 Absolutely, Let's talk Gene Hackman for a minute. I know we got to talk a little more in detail earlier this year with his passing. We did a we did a great episode on Gene Hackman and some of what we feel are his favorite roles. Here. He's playing coach Jimmy McGuinty and he comes in, he gets that offer. You know, he's the washed up coach's it's almost like it's almost like he's channeling Norman Dale from Hoosiers. Yes, he's a maybe he's a little bit of Harry Hog from Days of Thunder, you know. A little bit of that mixed with Tom Landry that the hat, the suit, Yes sing for me? Yeah, you picked up on Landry. I love that. Oh yeah.

12:54 He wants total control of the team. He wants to be able to recruit anybody, and he wants no interference. That's how you get him on the field and fortunately the Washington Sentinels owner. As he goes all in. Hackman spends this whole movie just spouting some of the most amazing quotes, like play like coach quotes. Oh he truly does. Throughout the entire film. You get so many likable lines from Gene Hackman and just circle back a little bit. The fact that we almost didn't have him in this is just mind blowing. Kimmy, Yeah, I don't know if you have a favorite Hackman quote on this, but I always like the one he gives Shane Falco. I see the man you are, I see the man you could be. And one day I hope they meet that one.

13:46 And then I like the halftime during the big game, the reporters like, well, what changes do you guys need to make? And He's like heart, miles and miles of heart. Yeah, you want to elaborate on that coach and he just he just taps his his chest, Yeah, talking talking about the heart that that Seane Falco has. And that's another that's I almost step on, you know, pivotal moments are noteworthy scenes. But we'll get to that that moment where he has that conversation with with Keanu Reeves. Tellya who I always enjoy watching in this film. Very talented actress Brooke Langton playing Annabelle. She runs, she owns the bar that her dad left her. She's also the head cheerleader for the Sentinels. Just just incredible actress.

14:34 Really, she's such an amazing actress, and just the pain that she's going through while she's interviewing these girls to be on the cheer squad is it's such a delightful scene because you kind of forget about it. You're like, Okay, yeah, we. Get this guy in here, we get this guy, and then here's the little segment of her like bringing in these cheerleaders, and it's such a freaking amazing part. Any good football movie, any good sports movie about a ragtag group that's gonna come together, you know, if it's if we're talking like you know, something like major league or you know, necessary roughness, you always got to get this team put together. So the the little montage of players just looking like idiots, yep, you know you expect that, you do. Now we're we're talking the cheerleaders. And don't get me wrong, later in the later in the movie, they are they are definitely something something to behold.

15:32 They're they're definitely they really are. Yeah, they're they're still on the team's attention for sure. In a couple of plays, yeah yeah. But the fact that they they've got these cheerleader tryouts, you got Young MC's bust to move playing and some of these some of these girls are just ridiculous. And I love the fact that they're they're taking a moment to say, Hey, the girls don't have to be sexy one hundred percent of the movie. No, let's be a little goofy. Let's let's know some comedy, and let's let's give you a chance to the chuckle and have some fun with it. And you're absolutely right, man, Annabelle trying to try to find a cheerleader squad is just hilarious. Absolutely, it's such an awesome scene. And I mean, I'm glad that that actually made it end of the film.

16:17 Just such a fantastic scene. Now you know, uh, she's got she's got some background with another another actor that's in this movie. Who you didn't You didn't recognize her? No? What what what do we got? Brook Brook Langton memorable role in the nineteen ninety six film Swingers with John Favreau. Oh my gosh, I remember, Yeah, so. You got let me take you back, like you know, they're getting you know, he plays Mikey. They're getting him his confidence back. He sees, uh, you know, Vince Vaughn's like, you know, don't look at her as she's a she's a bunny. She's a beautiful little bunny, and you got these big claws and you gotta go get the bunny.

17:00 She played Nicki, who he hits it off with, gets the number, and then has an epic meltdown where he gets home and leaves like sixteen messages and all you can keep hearing is h Hi, this is Nicky. You leave a message, and like that last one, she finally picks up. He's like, oh, Hi, did you just get home. Don't ever call me? Call me again? Yep. Oh my gosh, I dar not recognize her from that role. That is pretty freaking amazing. Yeah, absolutely absolutely love her. I like that she's not playing the damsel in distress, strong independent woman. You know, she's running her father's bar, she's trying to keep the cheerleaders together. She's having the will they won't they relationship with Keanu Reeves Shane Falco, which can we just can we just talk about how incredible their chemistry is.

17:56 Oh, it's simply amazing. I've got to tell you. So, this film has a lot of parts in it where it's just the right amount of comedy or the right amount sports. It did need that little. Bit of a romance aspect to it, and I think the chemistry these two shared on set was truly amazing and very believable. It didn't seem forced, it didn't seem fake. It was just very pleasant to have that little bit in the film. Absolutely, if you would have. Read a story about these two actors falling in love on set and and ending up together, it would have made perfect sense to me. I know that's not the case at all, but I love when he comes back in that final game, just walks straight to her and kisses her. You got hey, I think he's he's necking that cheerleader. That's like, what are they gonna do? Firing? Yeah? Uh?

18:54 Pat summer All and John Madden. You know, the fact that they've got them and the entire film just made my day rewatching this this morning, it just, I don't know, it really started the day off just right seeing both of them. It's very rare that you're going to see a football movie where the NFL offers their license and says, yeah, you can, you can show the actual team names and the actual players, you know, because they they're not going to agree with most of the things they see in the script and I get that, but I'll tell you what, when you have a movie like this where the teams are fictional, even like Oliver Stone's Any Given Sunday, the thing that helps make it feel real is when you have real color commentators from the NFL, YEP and involved, and I just I love it. I love that they got Summer on Madden because.

19:46 They could not have went with a better duo. Now, heck no, heck no. This whole team is a who's who of amazing actors actresses. I know we'd be here all week if we try to talk about everybody, but uh, just just so we can move along, is there anybody, uh you wanna you wanna briefly talk about on this team? I'd go with number fifty six old Danny Bateman. Jon Favreau, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, an absolute menace at linebacker. I just love his character so much. It's so few on words, but when he does talk, it is absolute insanity and it takes me back to you know, classic football days, and I like, we all knew that guy that was on the team.

20:34 Well, how awesome it is his intro, you know, because he's a he's a swat team member. Gosh, yeah, they're doing the raid. Yeah. Yeah, and this again. You when you have a sports comedy and we're putting the team together, you gotta we gotta have that montage where we're we're we're hearing like the voiceovers, we're talking about the guy as we're seeing him somewhere else and him walking to that that that bust and just just weighing lace to the criminals, drug dealers and everything. It's he's awesome. He's he is. He is way over the top. Yeah, he is a very much rabid dog personality in this film. And I love that. I'm gonna go. Get that ball, Go get me that ball. I'm gonna get that ball, Give me that ball.

21:17 He's just love it so much. Man, well would he? I mean he almost he almost hospitalizes Shane Falco like they're they're doing practice, and count is like tapping his red jersey's like red meats. Stop and just anytime that Reese Iphens hits a field goal in this entire movie, he's just chasing him. In the final one where he's like chasing down the field. He tackles ree Iphens, who's he's playing Nigel gruff leg Yeah, he's what he's a Welsh soccer player soccer, a gambling. Degenerator field and score. Is that the legend behind him?

21:59 I just yeah, he he he hits him that one game and I think it's Mad's like, hey, listen, there's a there's a saying, don't be good at something unless you want to get you. Can handle the congratulations. Unless you can handle the congratulations. Yeah, that's awesome. He's he's such a he's such a dirt bag in the fun way, Like he's smoking cigarettes on the field. I belave us all the smoke. I blame us all the smoke. It's yeah, Reeseipeens is great. Uh. I tell you blink and you miss it moment. You know how much you and I love Keith David. Yes, he's uh he's repping the the players union for the strike.

22:41 It's like one one scene in the parking lot and I was like, wait, that's Keith David, Like what's what's going on? I had so much hope when I was rewatching this and saw him. I was like, was he the commissioner of the NFL quote unquote? And uh now no he wasn't. I was like, maybe he's got a big part and I'm just not remembering him for whatever reason. No, just a olsnid bit there. I know I mentioned Major League a couple minutes ago, Orlando Jones playing wide receiver Clifford Franklin number eighty one. Yes, like when we get hit, like the where he's like the stock boy who is tracking down the the kid that rips off the comedian store. He runs past, He's like, hey, brother, how's it going, giving off some serious Willie Mays Hayes vibes.

23:30 Oh he really is. Too fast, too fell Orlando. And and the fact that even though he is the fascist man out there can run any route, he cannot catch the ball. Yeah, that's that's Uh, that's gonna hurt you a little bit. Uh. I'll tell you two more that I think we need to talk about. David Denman. This is his feature film debut. Which is a pretty solid feature film debut. And I remember growing up this is one of the first two things i'd seen him in. I'd seen him in this and a little film with another up up and coming actor at the point time, Zach Galfernakis in like Buddy Comedy's snowboarding movie called Out Cold. Oh yeah, come it just freaking amazing. But you know, for him playing the deaf tight end in this Brian is it Murphy?

24:24 Brian Murphy, Yep, Yeah, absolutely loved him in this role. I mean, just such a likable guy. I think if there's one actor that's quietly stealing the show from everybody, including Hackman and Reeves, it's David Denman. Yeah, it's And you know, it's funny because like I think a lot of people they if they go back and they see this or they see it for the first time, they're like, holy shit, that's that's Rory from the Office. Yep, you know. And then right now, I mean he is playing in season two Peacemaker, I mean, oh that's right. Yeah, yeah, he's playing east Maker's brother for anyone that's watching that show. Pretty amazing so far.

25:05 But yeah, yeah, he's He's got some great, great moments in this film. I feel like every scene he's in he just steals it. Oh just the jail scene alone, as well as. Amazing the jail So we're gonna get to the jail scene. Got we got to talk about the jail scene. But one last one before moving on. You know, like I said, this is if this is David Demmon's feature film debut. Jack Warden in his final film performance. He retired right after this. Jack Warden, who plays Ed O'Neill, the owner of the Washington Sentinels. This guy, what is it about him and football movies? He always plays like the coach or he's always he does.

25:45 He's got the right amount of just gruff in his voice that he's got to be an owner, He's got to be a coach. He's just perfect for that role. I think what's amazing about him. We should we should dislike him, we should not like his character because of some of the stuff he's doing. Absolutely, but you can't. You can't not like him. Even at the end he's like, I know it, I believed in them all along. It's you're just like, yeah, all right, let let him have it. Exactly like that. That's exactly how any NFL owners acting after the day. He's like, nope, bench and get him out of here. Yeah he feels he feels a little Jerry Jones, Yes he does. But but at Jerry Jones that you just you just like WHI yeah right yeah. Apologies to everyone listening in Dallas right now. We have we have listeners in Dallas, and you know, I don't know how they feel about Jerry Jones. You know, I'm not not picking on the man. I'm just saying, all right, Garret, let's move on to this film's background, little little production history for you. Not a whole lot to go on, but I do want to point out something. I think it's incredible.

26:54 We talked that this, We talked about this being based loosely on a true story. Do you do you know this the story here? Uh? Yeah? Actually, uh, nineteen eighty seven Washington Redskins, believe it or not. So the team went on a strike leading into week three, if I'm not mistaken here, and then while they were on strike, they had the bright idea, instead of going for all these collegiate players and everything that's wanting to come to the NFL a little bit early, they went ahead and got a ragtag bunch of guys kind of just like this that played weeks three, four and five, four world, which is pretty freaking awesome. And the Redskins actually went on to come back and I want to say it's week six, ended the season with a twelve and four record and went on to win the Super Bowl that season, which is pretty damn cool.

27:45 So I want to point something out. The teams that Shane Falco's sentinels are playing are Saint Louis, New York and Dallas. And in the movie Dallas crosses the picket line. They returned to actions. So they're playing like the real the pros, right, And in nineteen ey seven, the Redskins replacements took on Saint Louis, New York and Dallas and the Dallas Cowboys cross the picket line to play. I think there's plenty of experts out there, historians. I'll tell you, if these guys had not won these three games, the Redskins don't go to the Super Bowl and they don't win.

28:26 They do not. They definitely don't meet John Elway in the Super Bowl and beat him, beat him forty two to ten. So no, I think you're right. Another fun fact, Shane Falco wears number sixteen. So did Washington replacement quarterback Ed Rupert. So did he really? Okay? Yeah, there're they're walking a fine line of doing like a bio pick and getting away with it. Yeeah. I like their style for that one. Talk about style, Let's talk about music for a moment, because The soundtrack plays like a nineties jock JAMCD. Do you remember those?

29:10 Yeuh yes, I sure do. Let me let me give you a rundown of the music, because I got to know what was making your playlist back then. So I mentioned bust a Move by Young MC, which is a you know, the fun scene with the cheerleaders. We also get I Don't Want to Be Your Girlfriend by Kelly Owens. We get rock and Roll Part two by Gary Glitter, which I feel like you're gonna hear that in every sporting event you go to, you do Yeah, no matter what it is, right. Good Vibrations by Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch is featured several times in the movie. Taking Care of Business by Bachman Turner Turner Overdrive. Maybe the Crown Jewel on the playlist I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor, which is going to be included in one of the funnier scenes which we'll get to. But we also have some some rolling stones. We got you got Me Rocking yep see and see Music Factory Gonna make You Sweat.

30:07 Which is awesome. Yeah, how about the Every Breath You Take by the police for that Lettle got that that that Kiss Barcia with Shane and Annabel, a nineties favorite of mine. E mf's unbelievable. It's it's a classic. It's a classic. Can't have a football movie without Queen's We Were Rock You No, Mars pump up the Volume, So that's a gem. I don't care who you are. It is, Uh, we got we got David Bowie's Heroes. But it's not David bow It's not the David Bowie version. It's a cover by Mark Manila. I mean it's the soundtrack is just amazing. Man, It's it's just banger after banger.

30:48 But what's what's your go to track here? Out of all these? Oh my gosh, Well, uh, I'm gonna go with either Gloria Gayner because I absolutely love Amazing of course, or you know, if I'm out there gimming or whatever it may be, I might go a little bit of Market Mark and the Funky Bunch. I'm not going yeah, and you have to wait what you got on yours here? I tell you, uh, pump up the volume by Mars and then make you sweat by CNC Music Factory. Okay, I listen unashamedly. I will tell you if CNC Music Factories, Make you Sweat came on right now. I could sing it word for word. I would not miss a single note.

31:33 That's where I'm at with the Market Park and. I'm no Freedom Williams, But but I could. I could hang with the CNC Music Factory. I think I got to point out this is also an amazing film score by the one and only John Debney. Love this guy's music, Absolutely love it. I'll tell you who else loves it, our very own Wayne White did. And uh, we're gonna go back to the locker room where Wayne is standing by to tell us a little bit about John Debney. Wayne, take it away. The year two thousand was a great year for film scores.

32:14 Within those twelve months, we were treated with music masterpieces like Hans Zimmer's Gladiator, Michael Cayman's X Men, John Williams Is the Patriot, and James Newton Howard's Unbreakable. One composer that was keeping himself busy during that year was John Debney. By this time, Debney had been in the business for over a decade, and by now had put most of his incredible work on television behind him to focus on his film music. Career. During the year two thousand, John Debney had no less than four film scores to complete. The Julie Andrews William Baldwin film Relative Values, the animated Disney film The Emperor's New Groove, the Imax documentary Michael Jordan to the Max, and this film one of the most experimental, the Howard Deutch directed sports comedy The Replacements. The film about a fictional football team who won three replacement games without any of their regular players and went on to win Super Bowl twenty two, would prove to be a challenge for Debney.

33:15 His only previous sports film was the nineteen ninety four's Little Giants, but that was a family film requiring a fully orchestral score. The Replacements was a whole different style of film together and required a whole different style of music to go along with it. This was a fast paced film, one that needed a high octane score, and Debney delivered just that, bringing a techno pop feel to his music, dotting the music with catchy danced beats and rock songs, but never fully forgetting his orchestral background, with some beautiful dramatic pieces full of singing brass and soft and beautiful flutes and woodwinds. The soundtrack to The Replacement has only ever been released once by Very Sarah Band Records, back in stace of Timber of two thousand, just a few weeks after the film. It is a compilation album containing about thirty minutes of musical score by John Debney, hitting the majority of musical cues by the composer, along with songs that were heard in the film such as Second Chance by Bette Domrose, bust a Move by Young MC, rock and Roll Part Two by Gary Glitter, and I Will Survive by Gloria Gaynor. The CD opens with a track titled Replacements Remix, which is an odd six minutes piece hitting most of the main themes DeBie created for the film with a pulse pounding techno rock heat, synth elements and a bit of dialogue from the film. It's an interesting choice to start the album. I would have placed it at the end because it's a great way of getting the feel of Debutye's music for the film

34:47 all in one go. A few of the highlights from this score includes the piece Falco, which was a soft orchestral cue which contains the film's softer emotional core and showcasing DeBie talent for creating a lovely emotional tone for the lighter sides of the film. Strings and woodwinds play a calm version of some of the themes that we heard briefly in that remix cue. Debby paired with musician and guitarist Mark Henry Banella of the group Font forty to eight for a couple of cues, including the songs The Look in Your Eyes and strike Breakers. Banilla would work again with Debney on the film Was a Scorpion King, Spider Man two, and iron Man two. It's an interesting mix orchestral rock and techno sound that are highly energetic and very different from anything that Debney has done before in his scores. My favorite piece for the score, though, is entitled The Dallas Game and is a hard hitting cue with tense stringwork and a driving, energetic rhythm. It's the beginning of a new style and sound that Debney would return a few more times in the future in films like Spy Kids, Sin City, and especially Iron Man two.

36:06 Director Howard deutch Will returned to work with John Debney two more times for the two thousand and four comedy The Whole Ten Yards and then again in two thousand and eight for My Best Friend's Girl. While The Replacements may have received mixed reviews for the film upon its release, one thing that was praised was John Debbee's innovation and unique musical storytelling that he delivered, proving his value as a composer that can deliver the necessary energy and emotion needed and a musical genius. Quickly moving up the ranks to stand next to the legendary greats in film music. Debney had already won a place in My Heart and My Soundtrack shelf years before with such incredible television scoring like The Young Writers, SEQUESTDSB Star Trek, The Next Generation and Doctor Who, and his scores for the Replacement sits proudly among them, getting an occasional re listen when I'm in the mood for something a little different.

37:01 Well, Garrett, that's one guy you always want in your lineup. Wayne Whited giving us yet another amazing scoring session. Wayne, thank you very much for that. We appreciate you. I mean, just how much you can tell Hey enjoys talking about film scores. You know, It's one of those things it just warms your heart. It's like this man right here, he gets it. I absolutely love that Wayne makes time for us on a film by to do these for us. But tell you what we're gonna do. We're gonna take another break, and when we come back, we'll talk noteworthy scenes and the pivotal moment. But for all of you listening to today's episode on Patreon, like Brad Moore, there is no break because we're going to take a minute to discuss our top five favorite football movies. This portion of the show is only available on Patreon, so we'll see you there, or for those of you not on Patreon with us, we'll see you right after this break. All right, welcome back.

38:05 Those of you on Patreon. We didn't go anywhere. We're still here. But for those of you that are not on Patreon, we just had ourselves a pretty fun conversation. Well we didn't have the fun conversation. Apparently a couple of pros across the picket line and we got their top five football movies. So but you know, hey, Garrett, even you and I need to hit the bench once in a while, right. Every now and then, it's good. Take a seat. Let's talk about some of the noteworthy scenes here. I don't know if there's a pivotal moment as much as there's a favorite moment. But I want to start off with throwing up in the huddle.

38:47 Yes, it's like, what the hell are these guys doing the fact that Orlando Jones is like, hey, we need to move, He's like, we're in the huddle. Immediately vomits as well. And then Brian Murphy's over here and he's doing the hand signing of he's about to puke as well, and it's like, everyone move on three. It's absolutely fantastic. Yeah, that that little twinkletoes group move that they do that reminds you of like Fred Flintstone he does. Yes, it's oh man, I laugh every time I see it. Past summer, I was like, John, have you ever seen anything like this? He's like, not on a football field, not.

39:28 On a football field. You mentioned the uh, the jail scene. So we got a nice little combo here. There's a bar fight that leads to what might be the greatest jail scene ever. We got. We got the you know, the pros are here, you know, they get they get their asses kicked in their first game. They're kind of licking their wounds and in Annabelle's pub and here come the pros just to talk shit and kick them while they're down, and it leads to a fantastic bar fight. You know, they get they get locked up, and this is that, this is that that that trope where this dysfunctional team needs to come together somehow, Someway, did you ever suspect that they're gonna come together by singing and dancing to Gloria Gainers? I will survive.

40:22 I would never have guessed that. But this is one of those scenes where everyone on the team finally comes together. You have that brotherhood moment to where you guys just kick these guys' asses and now you're getting to share some alone time with the boys, and you know, I think this is probably my favorite favorite scene in the film. I've got to say, Yeah. Orlando Jones, who's kind of like he's he's talking the lyrics, you know, because like you were hide behind the jukebox. He's like, hey, man, at first I was afraid. I was petrified, and I was petrified. Think about how you I couldn't have you living with you, without you by my side. And then you know, everyone kind of comes together anytime you get a group of people that aren't getting along and they come together by singing something. Singing the song you know, maybe maybe almost famous as the probably the perfect version of this Tiny Dancer on the Bush. But seeing these guys in jail all singing I Will Survive, which is kind of like a lady's power anthem.

41:34 The I want to say, one of the top like disco tracks of all time. Yeah, maybe the maybe the number one track of all time. Yeah, did you recognize now, Garrett? I know you're no stranger to the clubs and the bar scene from from uh Yesteryear, but did you recognize the dance that they were doing? Because if you've been if you were out of any club in the in the eighties and nineties, if you've if you've been at any wedding in the last thirty years, you've got to know this this dance. Man, I I don't know that I'm blanking right now. What we got The Washington Sentinels were doing the electric slide. Oh my gosh, Okay, maybe the easiest line dance to learn, Like, yeah, I think that's like the go to like, Hey, I don't know how to do this, now just watch me for like ten seconds and you'll be fun anyone. You know, I can't dance, but I can do the electric slide, so that tells you.

42:26 But my favorite part about that is where, you know, the coach comes in and they're all getting bailed out and they all like realize he's there and stop dancing after he says something, and then David denhams just Denman still over there, just dancing like tapp him like, hey stop, he stop stopping coach here. How about uh, we get that play where the Japanese guy, the sumo wrestler Yumiko, Yes, runs it in. You know what wasn't supposed to happen. He runs it in for a down. John Madden, I love to see a fat guy score. You get a fat guy spike, you get a fat guy dance again, quick moment. Anytime you can get Madden or some are all to give us a little SoundBite, it's perfect.

43:13 Yeah movie, It's truly amazing. And that leads me to maybe my favorite Pat Summer all John Madden commentary. We get Falco and Annabelle. She's closing up shop in the bar and you're like, you know, the police is playing lowly in the background. Every breath you take and you're like, come on, you've got to kiss her. And meanwhile you've got commentary happening by some aere All and Madden. But he's going in for it. He's going in for it, pat you know, like their commentary makes what could have been an ordinary, you know, tender moment just still tender and still still a little sexy, but also some them to have fun with him laugh.

44:01 At it is just because he's like one good play here and he's back in the ball game. Yeah, yeah, that's that might be one of my favorite moments in this and it's hard to beat the jail scene with him doing I Will Survive. But let's take a moment where not something to laugh at. You get ed O'Neill. You know, Jack Warden telling telling Jimmy McGuinty, Hey, the players are back across the picket line. You know, Martel, who's this douchebag of a quarterback. I don't know who they I don't know who they are basing him on because I couldn't find anything where Now, you know, I think they're being kind, like we're not basing him off.

44:44 He's just he's just playing like the typical douchebag villain, you know, yep, But Jimmy's got to take Falco out. Falco, who is I feel like Keanu Reeves is just playing himself because he's like one of the nicest people in the world. He is, and he's trying to build up everyone around him, like, hey, you know, you're great, We're gonna do great. We just got work together, and they actually start doing that, and then kind of like what Gene Hackman says is he's the heart of this team. He took away what was pomping blood and energy and everything positive into these gentlemen. He took that away from him. Falco won't even say a bad word about Martel. He's like, well, listen, he's he's the best. He's the best quarterback. The team needs the best. He's he's he's got.

45:33 It and not you know. Hagman's like, no, he didn't. He doesn't have the heart. That's what you've got, man. That's a that's a harsh that's a harsh scene. It's it just breaks your heart every time you have to watch it. It really does. Because he's so excited out there running QB drills while Gene Hackman's approaching him. He's out there on the field and talking about what they're going to do against Dallas on Sunday, and then he has to drop that on him. So it's it's heart ranching. Yeah, quick question, you know, because Falco makes some amazing plays, But there's one play I don't understand. Why do you stand Annabelle up on the date? We cut to her, she's candlelight dinner, she's crying. I mean, in real life, you're not gonna stand up the gorgeous, funny, amazing cheerleader.

46:20 You're you're gonna go to and be like, hey, you know they benched me like you you gotta go, you know, lick your wounds and let let's let's let your lady take care of you, right you can? I would think so. And I think maybe the reason they did this is kind of this is what he did after the bowl game. He just went off by himself, secluded himself and then kind of just gave up on everything. And I think that's what they were kind of basing it off of. But no, you would not do that, now, Okay, I think I think you're right. I think they had to tie it back to like his his meltdown in the bowl game. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, I want to talk about one more scene. Maybe it's a pivotal moment. I don't know. It's definitely my favorite moment.

47:07 So Martella come back, not the reception he gets he's expecting from the fans, teams not gelling with him's throwing his weight around. McGinty says, you're out because Falco has just shown up. Because Martel's like, I can't beat Dallas with these losers, and Shane Falco, I can't. Yeah, and you're like, here we go. Suit up. Every football movie has that excellent, memorable quote that the quarterback's got to give in the huddle. Oh yeah, every one of them does it. Falco has one of the best, if not the best, Keanu Reeves telling us, I know you're tired, I know you're hurting, and I wish I could say something that was classy and inspirational. That just wouldn't be our style. Payne Heels to Scars, Glory last forever, Right on pain Heels Chicks dig Scars Glory lasts forever. Dude.

48:16 At this point, they can win the game or they could have lost the game, and it doesn't matter, because that is where you're like, hell, yes, this is awesome, let's see what you're gonna do. Fantastic moment. I love that moment. It's truly amazing. I loved that because you're expecting this big QB speech. They're coming back at halftime, they're down I think seventeen points at the point in time, and he just comes in and delivers exactly something a knucklehead would say to a bunch of other knuckleheads and get them fired right back. I was like, yeah, now we're taking this. It's a fantastic film from a fantastic director, Howard Deutsch. So, Garrett, if someone was unfamiliar with the filmography of Howard Deutsch, they watched The Replacements, they say, hey, this was an awesome movie. What else has this guy done? Which three films or say television projects would you suggest they watch.

49:20 I would start earlier in his career by far with Pretty in Pink. Just such such a classic eighties film, Molly Ringwald. If you haven't seen it, it is definitely worth the watch. That is such a fantastic film. We covered it on our limited nineteen eighty six series. I think we had our special correspondent Jenna Jenna Stewart with us, which was a great time. But that movie, man, that's one of those I would put that maybe as like a top ten eighties film. If you're going overall eighties, yes, saying action or not saying you know nothing, no specific genre. But if you're going like top ten of all time, you got you gotta represent the one for the ladies out there and pretty in pink. You know the Duckman. Yep, you know James Spader, who is the essence school in the nineteen eighties, he was, Yeah, good choice. I'm with you.

50:14 I would definitely make that one of my three picks. For number two, I would have to go with John Candy and Dan Aykroyd's classic The Great Outdoors. I am right there with you, Okay, Why why is this one? Why is this someone make your list? Aside from the fact that's just amazing. Such a great film, But my dad loved this film growing up, and I don't know, it just had me laughing from start to finish. Every time that they get in it with into the bear scene. Or anything like that. It just had me dying as a kid. And then that's just stuck with me ever since. So such a classic for me, that fireplace story that John Candy gives them, you know, the all headed killer Bear of Claire County, the way he does it, and just the reactions that Deutsch is getting from the kids and the you know, the wives on the you know, maybe we shouldn't tell the story. It's gonna give us, it's gonna give a nightmares. No, no, no, As I said, it may save their life one day.

51:15 They need to hear it. They need to hear it. Dan Akeroyd and John Candy at their best. I love that film, man, It's it makes it makes me want to go on that kind of vacation. It really does, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, fantastic. I'm right there with you. I'm two for two with you. You know, let's let's se if we're gonna go three for three here. I'm going to branch away from his films and then go over to a show that was on HBO. He had done two episodes for him, but absolutely loved both episodes he did for Tales. From the Crypt. Deutsch did Tales from the Crypt. He absolutely did. Had one episode in nineteen eighty nine called Only Sin Deep, and then he had a follow up episode in nineteen ninety called Dead Right, and I've got to tell you both episodes truly amazing. And I might be a little biased just because I love that series so much, but yeah, yeah, I love both of his episodes.

52:16 I love I love the series. I know it's available on I want to say it's available on DVD, YEP, and so far, any episode I've tried to find on YouTube, I have found on YouTube. I know. When we were talking to Bill Paxton did when we did our tribute Bill Paxton episode, there was an episode that he did that I went back and watched. I've got to find these now. I'm gonna have to look these up because I know I've seen them because I've seen the whole series and I love the whole series. But now I need to go back and get a rewatch because you tell me that Howard Deutsche did tell us in the Crypt. It just doesn't fit, you know, because he's, you know, early on he's our John Hughes guy, and then he does he's mainly like a comedy.

53:00 Guy, because I know he really is, you know. I know we didn't talk about this, but I feel like when you need a sequel to a comedy. He's the guy you call because he did Grumpy Old Men. He did The Whole ten Yards. I think there's another one, you know. I know I'm missing. Grumpy Old Man the Whole ten Yards and oh my gosh, I'm gonna kick myself if I don't remember this. But the funny little thing before I get too far away from it Brett Colwan, the guy that played uh, oh my gosh, I forgot his name, the jerk quarterback in this.

53:40 Oh yeah, the guy plays Martel. Yes, he is in the episode only Cindy, which is hilarious. Okay, so that expends why why he's showing up here? Oh it was the odd couple. Two there, it is the odd couple too. Yep, all right, all right. So tell us of the Crypt. Not a not a bad way to go, you know, now I think about it, I think Deutsch did one of the seasons of American Horror Story. He did, Yes, maybe maybe was it freak Show that he did or was it, I want to say this freak show yep? Or was it Coven? He might have done both, so maybe maybe him doing tales some of the Crypt makes sense. But I'm gonna I'm gonna pivot here from you. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my list like solid early Deutsch.

54:26 I gotta go with the movie that he met his wife on some kind of wonderful Okay, I like it. It's a fantastic film. I mean, truthfully, there's there's no bad choices when you're when you're talking about this guy's filmography. Honestly, no, no, not, it's solid all the way through. Well, Garrett, I have to believe your recommendation for this movie will be solid. Uh. Well, I could not score this movie any higher. If I had to score it, I would say on a scoreboard, it would be twenty to seventeen. Is how I would do this one. They would add you out the competition like that. It's available to rent on most streaming channels. I watched it on Prime. I know it's on Blu Ray, but I'm kind of holding out for a good four K release.

55:08 I keep hoping we're gonna get something, you know, with some more, some more to put on the scoreboard. But we'll see listeners. What do you think of the replacements? Have you seen it? Is it among your favorite football movies? You can let us know on social media you'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x You can check out www dot a film by podcast dot com, where all of our episodes you'll find links to where they're streaming free. It's also several film and television articles. And Garrett, I want to say, a couple of seasons ago, I did a eleven eleven football movies you want in the Huddle?

55:50 So yeah, yeah, check it out. But yeah, it's all there. You can write to us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concern We may just read your response on the show and send you some of a film by swag. Well, Garrett, always a pleasure to have you back. I know you'll be back later this month to discuss one of your favorite Sam Raimi films. And something tells me I don't need a fortune teller to reveal which film we're talking about. That would be The Gift. That is such a damn good movie. I can't wait to talk about the Gift with you. I know that's gonna be coming up later this month, and I think we're gonna have a fun time talking about that one.

56:33 I think we will, and we'll see a different Canna Reeves in this one. Oh holy cal you're right. I completely forgot he's in it. And you're absolutely right. If if you're expecting Shane Falco in the gift, you have got another thing company that's gonna be. Donnie Barksdale is a animal. He is looking forward to that one. And to all of you listening to the show, following us on social media, subscribing to our Patreon like Brad Moore, thank you Brad, once again, We thank you.

57:29 Always. All right, I'll tell you I needed that break earlier at our fantasy football draft. I think I had just uh one too many beers. Maybe catching up with me fair enough? Yeah, oh man, I'll tell you. We're sitting around drafts over and I am cutting a sweet Rick Flair style promo to everyone, talking about because I'm I've won the league several times. I'm talking about how I'm I'm on the rig, I'm gonna I'm gonna take it, take it again, and uh Yahoo brings back our report cards on how we did on the draft. A plus, get the hell out of here, I said, let me just let me just let me just screenshot this. I'm gonna email it to all of you.

58:15 Go ahead in seventeen. Yeah, that's good stuff. I'm so happy football is back. Oh. Same,