Oct. 7, 2024

Jack Sholder - The Hidden

Jack Sholder - The Hidden
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Season 5 A Film By...

Today's episode is made possible thanks to one of our Patreon members, James Buckley! David and Jeff discuss a cult classic starring Kyle MacLachlan tracking down a body-hopping alien parasite that's leaving a path of carnage in it's wake. Join us for Jack Sholder's sci-fi thriller The Hidden!

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So anyways, you got you got me thinking.

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And if I had to list my top five favorite

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films involving aliens, it would probably it would probably go

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something like The Thing, Aliens, Alien, They Live, and the

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nineteen seventy eight version of Invaders of the Body Snatchers.

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That's a good list now that yeah, now the Thing

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is aside from Body Snatchers, I definitely do not watch

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the others.

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In the month of October.

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So I guess, I guess the question is do alien films,

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and I mean I mean films involving aliens, do they

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have their place in in the month of October where

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our film choices are overcrowded with vampires and zombies and

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ghosts slashers. Dude, is there room for the for for

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alien movies in this month?

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I mean why not? I mean, any aliens can work

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at any moth, right, and yeah, it just can be creepy, right, Well, I.

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You know, I think like Fire in the Sky will

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scare the hell out of you. Yeah, you know Event Horizon,

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which I guess technically isn't in an alien film, but

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it's it's out in space and it's dealing with.

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You know, some weird stuff that that scares the hell

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out of you. So yeah, it does. Well, Let's let's

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talk about an alien film. Let let's talk.

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Let's talk about a film by Jack Shoulder, talk about

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his nineteen eighty seven underrated sci fi crime thriller The Hidden.

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Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm David Burns, and this

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is a film by Podcast. Welcome back to this month

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long look at films on the dark Side. We've already

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talked to were wolves and slashers and we're just getting started.

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This week. It's Alien Parasites, brought to you by our

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Patreon producer, James Buckley.

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That's right, thanks James, absolutely, thank you.

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James.

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James subscribes to our top tier on Patreon, which means,

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in addition to all the exclusive content in episodes as

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well as our cannot be purchased swag, he has the

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option to make occasional decisions on which episodes we put

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out this week. This one is brought to you by

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James Buckley. Dave tell the listeners a little bit about

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The Hidden.

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An alien parasite takes control over regular citizens throughout the

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city and goes on a murderous crime spree. As it

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moves from person to person. FBI agent Lloyd Gallagher joins

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Detective Beck on the case, which leads them down a

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path to come head to head with the extra Treshield

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that is behind all of this chaos. But as we discover,

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there is more to Agent Gallagher than we realize.

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First time watch for me and me, I don't know

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about you, but immediately I'm sensing Friday the thirteenth, the

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Final Friday.

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So when I watched this film, first off, I want

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to say thanks James, and I hope more people will

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follow suit with him because some of these movies I

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would never think about. Some of these movies I would

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never see if somebody hadn't recommended them to us. So

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I really appreciate that that we get to go down

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this road of seeing this movie because I never would

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have it wasn't for James. So the way I look

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at this movie, it's a buddy cop meets invasion, the

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body Snatchers meets Terminator meets Jason goes to Hell meets

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the Thing.

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Yeah, okay, that's accurate.

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That's that is every every title you just mentioned fits

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into this movie. And this is nineteen eighty seven, So

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with exception to body snatchers. I kind of feel like

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cribin jack shoulder just a little bit.

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Uh. I don't know. I didn't know what to expect mean,

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and some of your some of your text messages, you're like,

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what this isn't a horror film. I'm like, what.

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Does it have to do a zombies or what's they

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have to do with? Because I hadn't seen it, and

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you know, I I had a little bit of relief

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as I text you. I was like, hey, I'm I'm

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turning on right now, and you said, hey, this this

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turned out really good. This turned out great. I'm glad

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that we watched this one.

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So it's it's an interesting film, Jeff, because when you're

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first watching this movie, you get wrapped up it pretty quick.

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But then it starts getting a little strange. You know, Okay,

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where are we going? Where we're going with this? And

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then you go down another path that okay, it starts

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getting action packed and full of like suspense and get

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you on the edge of your seat. So by that

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point in the film, I was really involved with the

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story at that time, and after I had texted you

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that stuff, I realized, wait, bit, this is actually I've

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been glued to this TV screen wanting to know what's

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going to happen on how this is going to end.

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But there are a couple of surprises in this film,

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and I'm sure we'll get to them a little bit

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later that I didn't realize that we're in this film,

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But we'll get to that. But yeah, it was. It

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was a fun movie.

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It really was. The way this opens.

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Uh, We open with CCTV footage of a bank robbery

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that quickly escalates into a bank massacre. Yeah, and before

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you can even catch your breath, we're in this incredible

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car chase and a.

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Shootout with the cops.

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It's before the shootout with the cops, this guy mows

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down several people, including a guy in a wheelchair who

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just ricochets.

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Off the car.

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And and at that point, I'm like, I don't care

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how scary this is or how bad this is. I

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just got my money's worth in this opening scene with

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the with the bank, the bank massacre and the car

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chase and the cops shootout.

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Yeah, it totally pulls you in because you want to

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know what's going on. Because first off, you've got this

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regular cct footage going on, just watching people go about

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their business in this bank, and then that dude just

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starts shooting the gun. And then when he gets done,

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he looks up to the camera and just gives that

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creepy ass smile.

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Man, Yes he does.

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Yeah, Dave, let's talk about this cast, because I have

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to admit, for a nineteen eighty seven film of this nature,

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I was actually impressed.

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Michael Nori plays Detective Tom Beck.

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Now, I you know, being a being a fan of

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eighties films, I recognized him from Flash Dance from nineteen

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eighty three. Yellowstone fans will quickly recognizing. Let me tell

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you about a decision that this guy makes that is

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just going to alter his life, which could be for

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the worst, you could argue, you know. He Let's be fair,

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he's had a very prolific television career. He's had a

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lot of TV films and TV shows. This guy has

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a choice, Dave. He does in nineteen eighty In nineteen

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eighty seven, Jack Shoulder says, I want you to play

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this detective.

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In The Hidden And meanwhile.

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There's another film that's setting up shop in Los Angeles, and.

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He is offered and turns down the role of Martin

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Riggs in lethal weapon.

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Ouch, that movie is not going to go any work yet?

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Are you talking about movie?

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You know, I don't know what Michael Norrey was thinking

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that day, but you think at least wouldn't you think

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at least like, Okay, Jack Shoulder versus Dick Donner.

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Who do I want to work for?

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Probably Dick Donner. He's like a record like you would unbelieve.

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Yeah, right, like you know, I know where I know.

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I don't want to step on Jack Schulder's filmography. But no,

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he's not Richard Donner at this point in his career

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or will he ever be.

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So this blows my mind. When I when I found

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that out, I was like, wow, dude.

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And I did not know that until I started researching

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this film. And like when I saw that, my jaw dropped.

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Was like, what Yeah, tough break for Michael Glory.

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But I do, I do? I do like his work.

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I'm watching it, you know, my second second time I

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watched it. Now I'm watching it as could this guy

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have been Riggs? And we get a totally the pod Riggs. Yeah,

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we get a totally different lethal weapon if he's Riggs.

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Oh yeah, and and one that's not gonna spawn a

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franchise in my opinion.

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So here again, let's go to that blockbuster that Scott

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Hoffman always talks about. We put those other movies in

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a different world. Maybe that's one of them.

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The alternate Universe Video Store where Michael Nor is starring

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in Lethal Weapon. Let's tell cal McLachlan he's an FBI.

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Well he's he claims to be an FBI agent named Gallagher, right, yep?

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Is he just? Is he finding his way here to

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prepare for Twin Peaks, where he's gonna basically be the

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same character I think, with exception, with exception to the

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the big secret's hiding obviously.

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But right, I think so because it wasn't long after

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this he got that role on Twin Peaks, Right.

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There's like three years later. Yeah, he's playing an FBI

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agent on Twin Peaks.

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Yeah, so maybe this was like his audition for that role.

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This is think about this.

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This is a year after he does Blue Velvet in

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nineteen eighty six, which which we covered with the Dayton Johnson.

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And Dune wasn't too far before this, right.

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Dune was I want to say that was eighty four

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eighty four?

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Yeah, I think so. Yeah, And for those fans who

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have watched the Fallout Amazon series that was just released recently.

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He's got a big role in that one too.

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Oh does he? I still got to check that out.

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Oh it's so good, all right.

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I like I liked what McLaughlin's doing here because he

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starts off. I don't like him at first, because he's

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acting like a smug you know, he's kind of an asshole.

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Kind of got a corn cob up the butt. Yeah yeah,

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I mean he's really stiff boy, stiff boarded here man. Yeah,

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you don't like this guy at all.

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No, no, but he grows on you. He grows on you.

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He definitely grows on you without the the film. Love

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what he's doing here. I'll tell you who grows on you,

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Claudia Christian.

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So she's one of my surprises here. I mentioned that

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a little bit earlier, that there are two surprises in

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this film for me.

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She's okay, So Claudia Christian playing Brenda the Stripper. I was,

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I don't I don't recognize her. She looks familiar, but

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I don't know her.

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But this is are you? Are you? Are you? Is

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this a pleasant surprise for the obvious reason? Or do

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you have. Do you know something about Claudia Christian that

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I don't know?

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I know Claudia Christian. I've met Claudia Christian. I have

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autographs from Claudia Christian.

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Are you serious? Yeah?

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I'm serious. What anyone who's a big sci fi fan knows?

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She has Lieutenant Lieutenant Commander Susan Ivanova from Babylon five. Ah?

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Okay, because see I never watched Babylon five.

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I know you didn't. But if Wayne's listening to this,

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you could be like, who that hear is?

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Jeff Dave, having having met and shared oxygen with Claudia Christian,

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is she as lovely in person?

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Absolutely?

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She is?

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Honestly, you know how we all do these conventions and

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and I started going to convention years and years ago.

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She was my very first convention experience.

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Jeff, Interesting, Claudia Christian is your first?

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She is?

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I you could have done a lot worse, sir. I

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could have writ.

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Let's talk, let's talk. Catherine Cannon is playing Tom's wife Barbara.

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The second she comes, she walks into the dining room,

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I'm like, is that that's Donna's mom from Beverly Hill's

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done to two?

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And oh yeah, I'm right, isn't that her?

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Yeah, okay, that's her, all right.

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I don't know her from anything else.

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I just she has one of those those faces, like,

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you know, the second she looks worried about about Michael Nory,

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I was like, yeah, I've seen her give that look

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to Donna before.

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I know that look.

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I know that look.

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quickly quickly recognizable as h as Donna's mom.

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But yep, we got a couple of other folks in.

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Here, three three that I want to talk about. Dave,

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and I know one had to make you very happy,

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at least as happy as I was, So I'll save him.

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I'll save him for last. But we got we got

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Clue Gallagher.

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Goliger. Yep, Gooliger. You guys just talked about him. Not

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too long ago. He was in the Force of One.

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He played Dune.

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Yeah, this guy, it's it's a I love. I love

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seeing careers like this where he he has like this long,

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amazing career and then he kind of some might say

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he's fading into obscurity, but he he chooses to start

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doing all these like low budget horror films and sci

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fi movies, and when you look at his pholmography, he's

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he's kind of showed up in several big franchises.

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Yeah, I mean he was mister Walshton I right, Elm

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Street two, which is connected this director, which will later,

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but yeah, yeah.

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Then we got Edo Ross is on the is on

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the force this guy again, you know, just sticking it

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to to Michael Norri because Edo Ross is in lead

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the Weapon I'm just wondering, like they're in the Commissary

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at lunchtime. He's like, dude, I've been over on the

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lead the weapon set and you have made a mistake.

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We are We're having such a good time over there.

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But I always love I always love seeing Edo Ross.

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He's he's fun.

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And then we've got Friday the thirteenth Royalty in just

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a blinking you miss it role, but playing one of

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the agents.

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Ted White, Ted White, yep, Ted White, Dave.

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Possibly, I say possibly because it's hard to it's hard

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to pick one. Possibly one of my favorite, if not

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my favorite, one of my favorite actors that have.

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Played the role of Jason Borhees. He did it. I

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know it's tough.

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He did it in Friday thirteenth the final chapter, which

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how great was that? You and I just a while

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back we got to go see the fortieth.

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Anniversary on the big screen. We got to watch that

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on Friday thirteenth, Of all days.

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We get to see it on Friday thirteenth. That was

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I just man, what a happy day that was?

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Yes, it was.

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But and Ted White, you know, we we we kind

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of briefly mentioned him when we covered Starman, Dave. I

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know you and I discussed. I'm sure we'll talk about

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him a little bit more coming up in December. You

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and I kind of are planning on doing like a

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little Starman retrospective.

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Right we are. Yep, I'm looking forward to that.

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More Ted White, More Ted White on the way coming soon. Yeah.

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And then I got to mention this one because this

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one just made me chuckle. Yeah, Jake the dog playing

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Rory the dog.

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Roy.

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Do you know this is kind of like one of

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those things like like Night of the Creeps where we're

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doing with this like alien insect looking parasite thing, right,

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that's body hopping, right, and sometimes a viable human being

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is not not available.

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You got to jump into a dog, right, Yeah?

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Of course you do?

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Do you know, uh do you know I mentioned Jake

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Jake the Dog. He was an another famous horror film.

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No, please enlighten us.

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Do you remember the beginning of Nightmare on Elm Street

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four The Dreammaster where the dog comes up and pisses

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on Freddy's like final resting place, and it kind.

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Of yeah, I do know that? Is that the same dog?

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It's the same dog. And I was like, I'm looking,

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I'm looking through the creds.

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It's like, wow, Jake, Jake the Dog gets a credit

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and he's got his own IMDb dB page.

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Okay, what's he done?

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This is the dog that brought Freddy Krueger back to

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life all right in uh in the dream Maaster?

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So good, good, good job Jake, Good job Jake.

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Oh Man.

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So aside from Jake the Dog, is there am I

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missing anybody? Is there anyone you want to want to

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shout out?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, there's actually two people in here. One of them

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is that. One of them is the second one that

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I want to talk about. Was the surprise for this movie.

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Oh okay, and I'll save that one for last. The

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first one that I want to talk about. And at

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first I kept looking at her and I'm like, where

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do I know where from and then it finally dawn

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on me. It's Lynn Shay, who plays Carol Miller in

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this one. She is the assistant to the Senator. She

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is from the Insidious films. Obviously you have seen those.

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Yeah, yeah, oh, Lynn Shay, wife of Bob Shay, who's

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producer on this film.

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She has got an amazing career.

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But I'm and and with all due respect to to

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lynch Say, I can't not think of her as the

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terrifying and grotesque landlord from a Kingpin.

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Oh yeah, oh god, yeah, I always thinking of it.

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Every time I think of Lynchay, I think that first.

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But yeah, oh yeah, you're right. I totally I totally

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missed one.

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Yeah, I kept seeing her. I'm like, is that her?

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And sure enough it is. It's Lynn Shay Lynchay. Yeah, yeah,

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who else you got? So the last one they've got

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is Danny trejo is in this film.

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Well, no, I would have wrecked. I would have. I

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would have.

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I don't know how you missed him. He is in

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the jail cell. Oh and he gets shot because he made.

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Yeah he's the guy that he's so young, Dave he is,

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But that's Dandy Treo how did I Okay, Yeah, Danny

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Treo in The Hidden, he was hidden in The Hidden.

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Young, Yeah, young Danny Treo.

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He was this I think this is back when he

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was probably going by Daniel Treo.

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But this movie's full of you see.

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Yeah, this film is jam packed with a who's who

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of uh of the eighties and nineties talent and current

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current talent, current talent. Ye, Dave, Let's take a quick break,

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and when we return, I definitely want to talk a

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little bit about this film's background, and we got to

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talk about some of these scenes actually are the pivotal moment.

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Welcome back, Dave and I are discussing nineteen eighty seven's

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The Hidden, brought to you by a.

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Patreon producer, James Buckley, who chose this feature for us

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to discuss. Dave.

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I'm gonna I don't you know, I don't know if

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I'm saying his name correctly, but Jim Kuf is the

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screenwriter of nineteen eighty five Secret Admirer, which is a

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Jason Colvin favorite.

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Starring d Wallace going d wall.

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So he writes that and then he switches genres to

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write the screenplay for The Hidden with the with every

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intention of directing it. The studio, however, has different ideas.

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They turn him down, so he moves on to another project,

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and I you know, that being the screenplay for Steakout,

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so you know, and after Steakout he would go on

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to write nineteen ninety eight Rush Hour and two thousand

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and four's National.

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Treasure, So I think he made that. Okay, He's definitely

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like this project.

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Yeah, yeah, But Jack Shoulder gets the script, he wants

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to expand on the theme of what it means to

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be human. He gives it a rewrite, focusing on the

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Gallagher character, and that kind of pulls the story out

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of the generic action film that I think we initially had.

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I gotta tell you, when you know the DNA that's

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in this movie, it makes me like it even more.

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It does. At first you think it's this generic sci

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fi film, but the when you're watching it and the

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more you dig into it, it becomes something more than that.

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So and it really pulls you into the film. So, yeah,

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you're right. When you learn more about the background, you

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do appreciate a lot more.

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And I'm happy to say that while I'm doing my research,

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I'm digging up information about this film I'm not finding

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a lot about the making of the movie, but I

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am finding a lot of reviews that are positive. I mean, this,

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this this movie had. I mean, it was pretty successful

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when it did come out, you know. I think it

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did like nine or nine or ten million dollars.

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And it's a it's.

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The weird situation where it's a cult classic, but it

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was a popular movie before it became a cult classic.

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Right, you know, which happened when you think no.

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I mean, it's one of those things where I think

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it I think it gets rediscovered once we hit the

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video store era of history, and then people are.

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Like, oh, hey this.

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You know, you see a cool cover, you know, cool

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box art cover, and then you just picked it up.

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You didn't even read the back of the box to

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know if it was good, you know. And this has

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got a this has got a great uh cover art,

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It's got you know, film poster or whatever you want

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to call it. I mean, if I saw this at

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the theater, I would have been like, yeah, I'm just

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buying the ticket. I don't need to see the preview.

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What surprises me is how I missed this movie because

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I mean, when when we got it recommended to us,

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and I kind of went and checked out the poster

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was like, I kind of recognized that poster. But I

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don't know how this passed me up, because there was

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days where I would just go to the video store

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and just check out tons of like sci fi stuff,

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even if I didn't know what it was, and I'd

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go home and just spend the whole weekend you know, popcorn, pizza,

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whatever and watching movies. I don't know how this one

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escaped me, Jeff, I really don't.

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I'm at a loss because I feel like I saw everything.

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From the nineteen eighties. Yeah, and clearly and clearly I didn't.

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I can tell you this, you know, talking with James

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Buckley said, hey, you know you've got several we got

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several options for you, and you let us know. And

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he kind of he fired off several titles. I immediately

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knew what they were. Immediately had I could tell him like, yep,

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I've seen him. But then when he says the Hidden,

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I said the Hidden, Like.

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Okay, sure, I mean I was intrigued, right, but I

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was also like, how could I miss this, especially when

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someone is such a fan of it?

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Right right?

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Yeah, I'll tell you one thing, if you listen to

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our Top five Courtroom Movies where James actually joined us

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on the show, you'll know that he is a drummer

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in a rock band called Hidden Tracks. He is very talented,

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very talented Louisiana rock band. And when you think of

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the soundtrack for this movie. As I'm watching the movie,

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I'm like, you know what, I get it. I understand

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why someone like James is liking this movie more so.

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It's pretty I mean, it's pretty damn good for you know,

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there's a lot of a lot of bands I had

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not heard of, but I liked the music because it's like,

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throughout this whole thing, you're getting like an eighties hair

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metal rock soundtrack, right, but it features three songs from

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Concrete Blonde, and I was a fan of Concrete Blonde,

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so I, you know, I it's like, wow, I didn't

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know that they had ever done soundtrack work, but they've

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got three songs on this soundtrack. They've got Still in Hollywood,

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Your Haunted Head, and over your Shoulder, Dave. I'd like

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to hear my favorite Louisiana rock band, Hidden Tracks, cover

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all three of them, honestly.

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So that's my challenge, I know, you know, David.

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You know James is listening to this so oh yeah,

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so James, uh, you better get the band together.

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And it's been thrown out, James, you got to do

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it now, buddy, I'm sorry.

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He's probably chucklate going. That's in our lineup already.

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We always do cog Yeah, probably, I'll look I'll look

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forward to their uh you know, him dropping a performance

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on their on their social media.

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This does bring up something that I really want to

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talk about. Okay, So this alien who's in this human body, Yeah,

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he loves this style of music and always has to

477
00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.000
have it blaring no matter where he's at. He has

478
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:55.599
to have a Ferrari at all times, right, and then

479
00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:58.359
he realizes what he's missing in the third is a woman.

480
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:03.880
Yeah, Ala explains. When this guy sees something he likes,

481
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:06.839
he takes it, and anyone that gets in his way

482
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.480
he kills. And they're like, oh yeah, we got a

483
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:12.079
missing red Ferra. Yeah, he likes it.

484
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.200
He likes red ferraris.

485
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:17.160
Okay, what about hold on before we talk about the music,

486
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.920
can we talk about this, uh, this cocaine car dealership

487
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:24.319
where the when the alien takes where you know, he

488
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:26.640
steals the red the Red Ferrari.

489
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.200
So he's buying a vehicle. This this this guy customer

490
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.960
is buying a vehicle from when the alien shows up,

491
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.599
and they they go into sign the paperwork and they're

492
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:42.359
doing coke as they're doing signing the paperwork.

493
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.960
The car salesman is drawing up the paperwork and the

494
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:51.119
guy is cutting up, you know, cutting up cocaine on

495
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:54.200
the mirror, and I'm like, what hold on is he

496
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.960
We're not in the bathroom. We're we're actually in the

497
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.480
guy's office just doing blow while.

498
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:02.880
We anybody walked through the door, you know.

499
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.720
And anybody did they walked in and said, yeah, the alien,

500
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.559
I want the keys, I want the car.

501
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.680
Yeah. I don't understand it, man.

502
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.880
All I all I know is buying cars in Los Angeles,

503
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.240
and in nineteen eighty seven was a good time.

504
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:22.920
Apparently it was not just buying the car, but you're

505
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.240
gonna get additional things with it.

506
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.640
Yeah, there's there's a there's a signing bonus.

507
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:33.240
Uh so yeah, he he steals, he's stealing, uh tape

508
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.039
cassettes in this record store, takes the ghetto blaster just

509
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.920
walks out. How pissed are you if you're sitting in

510
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.279
the diner trying to enjoy your scrambled eggs and bacon.

511
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.039
And this guy ringhil air.

512
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.880
Yeah, all the customers are looking like upset about it, right,

513
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:51.200
but they're sitting there, they're they're just taking it.

514
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.599
I'm like, I don't get that. I don't get that

515
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:53.079
at all.

516
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:58.599
Until the one waitress finally realizes you probably should say something,

517
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.079
and it's what's a love the waitress they goes, it's

518
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.400
your table, honey, don't look at me.

519
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.240
Don't look at me.

520
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.319
So I got another question here. So I'm curious. Is

521
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.279
that the same ghettabuster from Star Trek four?

522
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:11.839
It must be.

523
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:16.400
It has to be, right, that is exactly. I'm pretty

524
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.279
sure that's the same model. It's gotta be, man, It's

525
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:19.200
it's solid.

526
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:21.200
It's like, that has to be the same one, come on,

527
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.759
or at least the same model, right.

528
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.160
I kind of I kind of feel like if you're

529
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.240
if they're selling that in nineteen a seven at like

530
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:33.960
Circuit City, they're like world's most annoying ghetto blaster. Yeah,

531
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.240
are you a creep? Do you want to piss people off?

532
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:37.880
This is the radio for you.

533
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:40.319
Let's talk.

534
00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.240
Let's talk a couple of scenes you know, we mentioned that,

535
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.559
we mentioned the shootout with the cops at the beginning,

536
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.839
the bank, bank massacre, the record store, the diner.

537
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.720
What else comes to mind for you? Some stuff that

538
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.359
you enjoyed it and don't don't cheat and say, Uh,

539
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:57.279
Klaudia Christian on the on the stage.

540
00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.480
I was gonna sa Klaudia Christian in that red dress.

541
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.200
Who well, that red dress. But can I just wait,

542
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:03.680
did you hear?

543
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.960
I know, I don't know if you saw this, but

544
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.720
that that red dress leaves little to the imagination.

545
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:11.319
Yes, in the back of it.

546
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:17.480
I read something, uh from Claudia Christian where she said,

547
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:25.920
evidently producers were not overly impressed with what she had

548
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.960
going on up up up front, right, so they add

549
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:35.200
they they had the costume designers, uh, enhance her outfits.

550
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.039
That that'll that'll focus on on the backside a little

551
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:38.359
bit more.

552
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:40.720
Yeah, And that came straight from Claudia Christian too.

553
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.519
Did it. You're you're you're the one that hung out

554
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.920
with her, so he would he would know. But yeah, yeah, okay,

555
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.200
but yeah, I digress. Uh. You know what what see

556
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:51.640
is some of the scenes that stood out for you.

557
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:53.960
There's so later on in this scene, one of the

558
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.440
ones I absolutely loved is when Back and Gallagher were

559
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.960
chasing him up the steps to the top of that roof,

560
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.440
or chasing Hurt up to the top of that roof.

561
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.920
This is where they kill Claudia Christian's character and the

562
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.160
bullets she takes here, and that's when Beck kind of

563
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.400
realizes but still doesn't understand what's going on here, and

564
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.480
you know, just Gallagher just fills with bullets but yet

565
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:23.519
and then he pulls out that weird alien pistol thing whatever, yeah,

566
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.920
and then like aims it at her, you know, to

567
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.119
try to get ready to let when it comes out

568
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.599
of her body. And then obviously that doesn't happen. That

569
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:35.000
whole sequence there I think kind of helped Beck's character

570
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.519
turn a little bit because, as you know, they're going

571
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.759
to arrest Gallagher after that scene, because Beck still doesn't

572
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.119
know what's going on until they get to the police station,

573
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.599
and you know, other things, other events happened, but that

574
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.640
one really sticks out to me. Besides the jail fight.

575
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.039
That jail fight was incredible, but we'll get to that

576
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.079
a little bit. But I love that rooftop scene.

577
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.319
Well, it's it's action packed. There's a lot of tension

578
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.880
and it shot really well. You know, this is night

579
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.599
I thought. I thought the the lighting, the camera angles,

580
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.279
everything works in that in that shot. Absolutely loved it.

581
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.440
Even before that, before they go up the steps, you

582
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.519
get that creepy music when they go into that room

583
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.519
with all those mannequins. You know what I'm talking about.

584
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.200
Man Ah, that music was like, It's like, holy crap,

585
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.359
this is really getting creepy right here, and it did.

586
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:20.640
I gotta I gotta tell you, I got a thing.

587
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.039
I don't know if it's a phobia, but I don't

588
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:25.759
care for mannikins.

589
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:26.960
I don't.

590
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.160
I don't care for a lot of them lump together.

591
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.000
And anytime you see that, I'm just like, nope, no

592
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.160
thank you, no thank you, Nope. But uh, the guy

593
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.759
that shot this, uh, Jacques height Heideken. I think I'm

594
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:46.799
saying his name right. You gotta remember this is the

595
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.680
guy that did the cinematographer a nightmare on Elm Street

596
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.960
in nineteen eighty four. Makes sense, and and he would

597
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.119
do he he he comes back for a nightmare.

598
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:56.400
M Street too.

599
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.400
He's revenge, which we'll we'll get to. I think he's

600
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.640
got a fantastic guy. I love I love I absolutely

601
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:04.119
love his work.

602
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.279
So what about you, Well, one that I'm gonna I'm

603
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.640
gonna mention just because I want to warn our listeners. Uh.

604
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.200
You know you you always love having your snacks when

605
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:14.839
you watch a movie.

606
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.440
You love watching a Maybe maybe you're eating dinner while

607
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.160
you're watching this. Uh maybe maybe don't do that at

608
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.160
least and until like the first thirty minutes is over,

609
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.880
because when we get the shot in the hospital of

610
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:34.599
this this alien transferring itself from one body, one used

611
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:35.799
up body, to a new body.

612
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.559
Wasn't ready for that, Dave, because at this point you're like, well, who,

613
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:42.720
what's the alien look like?

614
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.599
And I'm gonna ahead and tell you listener when it

615
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.680
when a normal guy opens his mouth and like this

616
00:31:52.000 --> 00:32:01.279
insect like parasite larva thing starts, you know, working its

617
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.599
way out of the guy's mouth into the open mouth

618
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:06.319
of the other unconscious guy.

619
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:09.160
I was just a ghast.

620
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.359
I was like, ah, turn it away, Dave. I was like,

621
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.799
I'm like, you know what, I'm not hungry anymore. I

622
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.680
didn't even finish dinner that my first time watching this.

623
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.240
I was like, I'm done. I don't I don't want

624
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:21.480
to eat.

625
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.839
Now to the audience.

626
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.519
Yeah, it's right, dude, it's it's gross. It's absolutely gross.

627
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.799
It's spectacular though, And uh I did some digging.

628
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.720
Do you know who's responsible for that? No, David's none

629
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:41.640
other than Greg Nikoto and Robert Kertzman, who we met.

630
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.200
Holy CRP are you serious?

631
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:48.319
Yes, Burger's Burger's not listed with them, but this is

632
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:53.480
this is early work by h. Kurtzman and Nicoto And wow, yeah,

633
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.200
we I mean we've we've we've hung out with Robert Kurtzman.

634
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.559
We talked to Robert Kurtzman, we have Yeah. Well, yeah,

635
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.240
all very cool. Well I would love to get him

636
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:02.599
on an.

637
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:03.160
Episode with us.

638
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.640
But yeah, so when you when you look at the makeup,

639
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:11.200
the special effects for this, I mean it holds up.

640
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.960
It holds up now, like I didn't feel like, oh

641
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.200
this is a dated eighties movie.

642
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:14.759
You could feel it.

643
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.480
Like I said that that that transfer scene from body

644
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:20.319
to body.

645
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.400
Was just it was hard.

646
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.960
Yeah, hard to get through. You know, Well, they did

647
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.519
their job then when that happens, right, they did.

648
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:31.839
They absolutely did. Yep.

649
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.279
Uh, let's talk pivotal scene. Is there something what would

650
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.000
you what would you say is the pivotal moment in

651
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:38.440
this movie?

652
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.440
For you, I think when Beck goes to get Gallagher

653
00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:45.400
out of the jail cell is a pivotal scene to me.

654
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.240
That's that's the the moment when Beck Beck finally realizes,

655
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.960
oh crap, I was wrong and he was mad enough

656
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:53.079
to go get him out.

657
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.880
You know, Okay, that's a great moment. That's absolutely a

658
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.240
good moment.

659
00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:58.119
How about you.

660
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.039
I'm gonna go earlier, and for me, it's gonna be

661
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.920
dinner at the Becks m when he invites him in

662
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.400
and they have there's always like it's a it's kind

663
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.599
of a cliche in buddy cop movies where the the

664
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.039
loan cop or the the on edge cop gets to

665
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.079
come home to the family cops like you know, this

666
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.679
is what normal life looks like and have to stay

667
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.360
for dinner. I feel like in that moment, we get

668
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.199
a better under understanding of Gallagher's background and and we

669
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.880
fully understand his motives for going after this this this

670
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.400
evil alien creature thing.

671
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:33.800
Yeah, because you.

672
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:35.440
Know we at this point we're like, well, yeah, he

673
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:37.360
killed my partner and that's why I'm after him.

674
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:37.719
But then.

675
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.880
You know, you get that moment where he's kind of

676
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.280
locking eyes with their little girl and like it's kind

677
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.280
of like a soft moment, and then you you know, well,

678
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:47.880
you know I had a wife, I had a child,

679
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.599
and you know they were killed by the guy i'm after,

680
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.960
who also killed my partner. And then you're like, damn,

681
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:57.599
this is this is this guy's tragic, you know, but

682
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.280
it's and it's a it's your first hint that maybe

683
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:03.159
Gallagher isn't who he says he is. You know, maybe

684
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.559
he's not just some FBI agent, because he when when

685
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.639
Donna's mom is like, well, where are you from? And

686
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.079
he's like he just points up. Yeah, he's having like

687
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.400
a Jeff Bridges Starman kind of a moment where he

688
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.480
just doesn't know how to act, apparently, and then she's like,

689
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.559
well where like and he's he says, what do you say,

690
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:28.639
like Ralston something or something weird? Yeah, Raahauston or something

691
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.400
like that. And then it's like some star and some

692
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.719
other galaxy, but yeah, that's where you Because I'm all

693
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.440
of a sudden it clicked for me, I'm like, wait

694
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.159
a minute, obviously the bad guy is like some body

695
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:45.159
hopping alien creature. And now I know that this guy

696
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:50.880
is obviously some kind of otherworldly entity because he's he's

697
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.880
after him doing the same thing.

698
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:53.320
I dig it.

699
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.039
I it is good stuff.

700
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:57.760
Dave.

701
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.920
Let's take one last break and when we come back

702
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.639
we will talk Jack Shoulder's filmography.

703
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:05.559
Sounds good.

704
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:10.880
Welcome back, Dave.

705
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.719
I got a couple couple fun facts about Jack Shoulder

706
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.119
for you, and and an interesting quote about.

707
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.760
His his work.

708
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:21.920
So it might it might surprise you to know that

709
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:28.000
he is an accomplished classical trumpet player. Interesting As a

710
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.800
film editor, he worked on the Academy Award nominated documentary

711
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:36.239
King from Montgomery to Memphis, and he also won an

712
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:41.360
Emmy for his work on three two one Contact. Now,

713
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.159
this guy he kind of he always idolized Wes Craven

714
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.920
like he wanted to be up. You know when when

715
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:49.039
when he looked at like the directors that he wanted

716
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.840
to to emulate, he he was looking at Wes Craven.

717
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:56.480
But talking about his, uh, his attitude towards violence and

718
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:01.320
horror films, he says, I was ever a hardcore slasher

719
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:04.920
kind of guy. I never wanted to humiliate people or

720
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.480
inflict pain just for the sake of inflicting pain, or

721
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.719
do or do horrible effects just to see how gross

722
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.960
I could possibly be keep in mind again the insect

723
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:16.800
larva going from.

724
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:18.559
Right.

725
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.960
But yeah, let me let me but he says that

726
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.079
never really interested me that much. Yeah, I mean, I'm

727
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.039
with him up until he's talking about how gross he

728
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.719
could possibly because because if he can be grosser than

729
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.199
the alien larvae larva creature, I'm good.

730
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.320
I don't need. I don't need, I don't need anymore.

731
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:40.960
No thanks.

732
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.239
I will say about his photography, Jeff, there's like two

733
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:46.599
things on this list I've seen.

734
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.079
Well, let's let's talk about this philmography, because, to be fair,

735
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.440
he has done a lot of the the majority of

736
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.320
his work is in television. He's done a lot of

737
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.320
TV episodes, has done a lot of TV movies.

738
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.519
But he us have some good work here. Let's talk.

739
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.280
Nineteen eighty two, he does his feature film debut called

740
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:07.639
Alone in the Dark.

741
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.519
I have not seen this, and I'm telling you right

742
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:15.519
now we need to see this film. Did you look

743
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.480
this one up? You know what? You know what it's about.

744
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.360
It's like another killer, isn't it? Like in a hockey mask?

745
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:20.719
I think?

746
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.760
Yeah, So okay, so listen to this because this blew

747
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.440
my mind. I was like, and again, Dave, you're going

748
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.559
to say to yourself, wait, how did we never watch this?

749
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.079
How did we never see this? This is nineteen eighty two,

750
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.519
keep in mind, and yes you got a hockey masked killer,

751
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.960
and it's all about a mental patient breaking out of

752
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.599
a asylum during a power outage and then going after

753
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.639
their new doctor's house who they think killed their previous doctor.

754
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:59.119
Doctors played by Jack Palance Donald Pleasance. What yeah, I

755
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.719
mean any got Martin Landau as like one of the

756
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:09.320
creepy creepy uh mental patience that's already man, this man?

757
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.079
How could we have missed this one? I have no idea,

758
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.360
but I'm I'm looking it up. I'm gonna go see

759
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.679
it now. I'm going to do Yeah, I'm using the

760
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.400
just watch app to find it and figure out how

761
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:21.320
we can get ahold of this one.

762
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.199
Must watch, especially with that cast man.

763
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:25.039
Yeah no kidding.

764
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.880
Nineteen a five he heads to Elm Street as he

765
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.719
does a nightmare on Elm Street to Freddy's revenge.

766
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:38.159
Wow. Oh yeah, I hope you've seen this one. Yeah,

767
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:39.679
he's talking about Robert England.

768
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.360
He said he was one of the most brilliant he said,

769
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.159
one of the most brilliant things that Wes Craven ever

770
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.280
did was cast Robert England because people always cast some

771
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.320
lunk to play the killer, whereas Robert England is not

772
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.599
a big scary guy. He's a guy with an interesting,

773
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.000
almost funny face, and he's a terrific actor.

774
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:02.119
Absolutely right. I agree with what's your thoughts on on

775
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:03.000
Freddy's Revenge?

776
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:05.360
Like when you look at when you yeah, when you

777
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.760
look at like the entire elm Street franchise, where would you?

778
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:10.760
Is this a top three?

779
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.320
Is this a I don't know if I put it

780
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.960
on the top three, dude, he wouldn't. No, maybe maybe four,

781
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.599
but I don't know. It was really hard to live

782
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.039
up to the original man, as we all know, you know,

783
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.039
And I guess you really can't judge it that way

784
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.519
because we do that a lot with sequels. But in

785
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:32.960
the end we still have to do it that way

786
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.440
because it needs to get at least as close to

787
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.360
as on par as the original. And I believe isn't

788
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.880
it the second one where they really started going funny

789
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:42.719
with Freddie?

790
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.960
This third one, third, so Dream Warriors is where they start.

791
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.800
Freddie starts using like the one liners.

792
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.639
Okay, that's the third Okay, the third one was.

793
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.000
Yeah, the second one, he's still like they're filming him

794
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.599
in the shadows and they're they're kind of they're keeping

795
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.159
him kind of hidden. I mean, you could argue, you

796
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.159
like his line when he tells Jesse like he needs

797
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:05.960
his help and he says, you've got the body, I've

798
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.039
got the brain. You could argue that's that's a little bit,

799
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.400
you know, going on to the catchphrase style. But I

800
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.280
gotta say, man, I still think it's one of the

801
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.440
scarier Freddy Krueger movies, especially Like think about the pool scene,

802
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.440
the pool party where he's he does it, He's got

803
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.480
his hands up, you know, and funny, funny fact Jack

804
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.840
Shoulder had a hard time filming that scene. He just

805
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.599
thought it was too funny, which I don't understand. I

806
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.400
don't understand Jack's shoulders humor.

807
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:37.079
Either, because that's not funny.

808
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:38.679
I think it's one of the scary moments in the

809
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.559
in the in the film. But yeah, I don't know.

810
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.199
I'm a fan of Freddy's Revenge, and it leads me

811
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.920
to ask this question on Prime did you ever see

812
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:54.719
In twenty nineteen, they did a documentary called Scream Queen.

813
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.320
My Nightmare on Elm Street Did you ever see that?

814
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:59.159
I did not. You gotta see it.

815
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:04.599
It's you will watch it, and then you will look

816
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.840
at Nightmare on Elm Street two in a whole new way.

817
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:12.519
It's the actor Mark Patton, who played Jesse, the main character.

818
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.440
It's a documentary that he put together that examines the

819
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.599
homo erotic subtext in the film. And when I first

820
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:22.960
saw it was recommended to me, and I.

821
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.360
Was like, is he todd?

822
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:25.559
What this is?

823
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.800
There's what is there? Isn't you watch this documentary.

824
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:31.960
And you're like, whoa, There's some other stuff going on

825
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.320
in Freddy's Revenge that I was not aware of.

826
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:37.880
It's good. It's a great documentary. Don't get me wrong.

827
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.599
It is a great documentary. I recommend it. If you

828
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:41.760
haven't seen it, it's on Prime, don't check it out.

829
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:46.559
Definitely, definitely worth a watch. We've been talking about the

830
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.840
Hidden and then in nineteen eighty nine he does a

831
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.440
movie that I really dig. Did you ever see Renegades?

832
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.519
No? You didn't see Renegades with Keifer Suttlin and lou

833
00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:00.599
Diamond Phillips. I did not. Oh man, Yeah, the young

834
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.039
guns are getting back together. It's awesome.

835
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.400
It's kind of like a buddy a buddy cop style movie,

836
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.159
but it also feels I don't know if I might

837
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:09.719
lose you here.

838
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:11.880
I hope not. But it also feels a little.

839
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.159
Like Firewalker, Okay, because.

840
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.960
They're going after this like this, this magic Native American spear.

841
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.679
No, I'm still doing Earth, so you're not losing me here, Okay.

842
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.079
Okay, And you know what, even if I was starting

843
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:25.880
to lose you, I'm about to get you back full

844
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:31.039
full go. Also stars Jamie Gertz, who's like the fem

845
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.199
fatale in the movie. This is This is mid to

846
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.360
late eighties Jamie Gertz, so you know it's it's prime,

847
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.599
It's peak Jamie Gertz, Right. Great Renegades is fun Keifer.

848
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.400
His mustache is great Lou Diamond Phillips, just just Lou

849
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:49.000
Diamond Phillipping all over this movie.

850
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:53.440
It's awesome. I like Renegade's so let's check it out.

851
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:54.000
Check it out.

852
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:57.800
Nineteen ninety nine. This I'm starting to see like this

853
00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:59.519
is the guy when you need to do a sequel

854
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.199
to your popular horror film, you just call him up.

855
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.039
Because in nineteen ninety nine he does wish Master too.

856
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.559
Evil Never Dies. Are you a fan of the Wishmaster films.

857
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.079
Yes, but I only saw the first one.

858
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.239
So you're a fan of the Wishmaster.

859
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.320
Film, right, not the film, that's correct.

860
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.920
I'm surprised because not only are they good, and you

861
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:27.280
gotta remember our buddy Anselmolninsky was in the third one.

862
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.039
Yep, wish Master two.

863
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.159
I'm gonna give you my hot take. I think it's

864
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.320
better than the first one. Really, this is well, So

865
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:35.920
the the.

866
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:38.519
How do you say it? Gin?

867
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:40.199
Can I believe?

868
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.199
Yeah? Yeah, So the Gin ends up going to prison.

869
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.039
He's at it like this.

870
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:50.519
This girl kind of opens opens him up, and you know,

871
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.480
if she does her three wishes, the apocalypse happens. But

872
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.679
meanwhile he needs like a thousand more souls, and somehow

873
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.239
he gets into prison and it's just carnage.

874
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:03.000
It's awesome. Absolutely, it would recommend that one. Dave.

875
00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:05.199
Now two thousand, I don't want to say a whole

876
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:06.920
lot about this because I started to go down a

877
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:11.920
rabbit hole on this next feature and I immediately thought, Dave, clearly,

878
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.280
we need to cover this, like give it a we

879
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.199
need to give this movie it's its own episode. But

880
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:22.400
in two thousand he does uncredited work directing super Nova

881
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.239
do you remember that one with the James Spader.

882
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.280
I've seen it, but I don't honestly remember the story

883
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.559
or anything like that. But he had uncredited work on this.

884
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.480
Yeah, So all right, I'm just gonna I'm gonna tease

885
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:35.480
this up a little bit for you, okay, just because

886
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.239
I don't want to there's gonna be so much for

887
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.079
us to talk about, but listen to this. So I'm

888
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.320
looking at his filmography. I was like, Oh, uncredited director,

889
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.519
that's odd. And then when you start to you start

890
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.880
to look at super Nova. This was actually a film

891
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:58.159
that Walter Hill was directing. Oh, things went sideways and uh,

892
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.920
what's our favorite what's our favorite at phrase in Hollywood?

893
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:07.559
Creative differences? Yeah, Walter Hill walks off the project. He's

894
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:12.239
a little pissed. They pull in Francis Ford Coppola to

895
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:17.880
pick up the pick up the directing duties and take over,

896
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.559
which I was like, what Walter Hill and Francis Ford

897
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.480
Coppola worked on super Nova And when Copola had some

898
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.360
creative differences, they ended up bringing Jack Shoulder in and

899
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.239
just said, can you just please just finish this thing

900
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.320
for us and you can.

901
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.159
Help us out. And I started looking there's so many

902
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.199
stories like people or you know, Walter Hill has some

903
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.679
choice words about it. Copola has said some stuff about it.

904
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.880
Jack Shoulder said some things about this movie. James Spader

905
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.800
is on record talking about the making this movie. So

906
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.719
I'm you know, it's it's streaming on Pluto by the way,

907
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.079
the Roku channel. So I'm ready to watch Super and

908
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.320
Ova again just to just to see, like, wait, was it.

909
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.199
I remember liking it when I saw it, you know,

910
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.760
I remember like that tunney. Yeah, it's yeah, hold on, let.

911
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.880
Me see A deep space rescue and recovery spaceship with

912
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.760
a crew of six receives a distress call from a

913
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.039
mining operation three thousand light years away. A rescue operation

914
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.920
via a dimension jump is made, which is a bad idea. Yeah,

915
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.599
and again Hill, he just didn't want it to be

916
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:25.960
like Alien, right, and he felt that there was a

917
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:27.559
lot of stuff that he saw that, you know, because

918
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.440
he was a producer on Alien, so he wanted some changes.

919
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:31.920
And when they're like, no, we like what we're doing here,

920
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.239
he's like, okay, well then see you later. Yeah.

921
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.519
But there's so much to talk about this movie, and

922
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.079
I don't want to. I don't want to turn this

923
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:39.880
into a super nova podcast.

924
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.320
But that is definitely we have to go down that

925
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:42.079
avenue on that one.

926
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.559
But yeah, uh, our guy Jack Schulder just jumping in

927
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.519
to pick up the reins of not one, but two

928
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:50.719
legendary directors.

929
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.599
So I think that's pretty amazing. That is. I don't

930
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:55.280
think we're going to see another film from this guy.

931
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:56.920
It's been a while.

932
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.880
Obviously it's been twenty five years, but I will I

933
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.280
will tell you this. When you talk about what's next,

934
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:05.280
let's talk about what's.

935
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:05.599
Next for us.

936
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.119
So they made for us, well, they made a sequel

937
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:15.239
in nineteen ninety three called The Hidden Two. Evidently the

938
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.840
alien from the first film laid some eggs which have

939
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.480
now hatched. And Beck's daughter, remember the little girl, the

940
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.960
cute little girl, I do. Yeah, Well, now she's a

941
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.000
grown up and she's a cop and she's working with

942
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:33.079
the good alien to stop several of these hatched the

943
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:39.039
parasite larvae creatures. Clearly they did not they could not

944
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:41.400
have this is director video. They could not afford comicclaughlan

945
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:44.360
to come back and reprise his role. So you got

946
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.239
someone playing Gallagher, you know, you got a different guy

947
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:47.920
playing Gallagher.

948
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:52.440
But I'm curious because everyone everyone that And here's the

949
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:56.880
funny thing. Everyone that loved the Hidden hated the sequel.

950
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.840
Oh boy, so you're right there then, like now I

951
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.639
just want to see you know now, I just want

952
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.480
to see it just so I can I could be

953
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.239
among them, right, yeah, Dave? What are your thoughts on

954
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.159
this one? Do you do you recommend this one? Yes?

955
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.960
Absolutely, it's it's you know when it starts to go

956
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.360
and get a little weird, stick with it. It's a

957
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:18.800
good movie. You'll enjoy it, Yeah, I think.

958
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.840
I think if you enjoy sci fi horror, if you

959
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.719
enjoy eighties films, if you like pre Twin Peaks, Comicclachlan,

960
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it's a good one.

961
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You know.

962
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I one time watch maybe you know, maybe I'll watch

963
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it again here and there, but uh, I don't know.

964
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.840
I enjoyed it overall. I enjoyed it. Where'd you watch

965
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:36.159
this one?

966
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:38.199
I writted this on Amazon?

967
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:39.360
Okay me too?

968
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Yeah?

969
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.440
Yeah, not streaming anywhere. I feel like this is something

970
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when you're watching this, don't you? Aren't you?

971
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:46.400
I don't know about you, But I was sitting there

972
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.760
kind of a little pissed, like why am I not

973
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:49.239
watching this?

974
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On too Be Free with Ads exactly.

975
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:53.079
This is a perfect movie for two.

976
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It feels really too beish.

977
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.360
It does no offense to the movie because it's a

978
00:49:58.400 --> 00:49:58.800
good movie.

979
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But no, h listen, I I'm on record is Loving

980
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to Be Like you can find everything on to Be

981
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and it's one of the It's one of the only

982
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.320
spots where I'm happy to watch, you know, free with

983
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Ads because you're still getting the uncut version. You're still

984
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getting in an HD yep and two b's knocking it out. Man,

985
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:18.719
they got all kinds of good stuff.

986
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I watch a lot on there.

987
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.960
It's my hope that there's there's some people working at

988
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Tube that are listening right now and they're going ship

989
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:28.519
They're right, the Hidden, let's go, let's get that on

990
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the on the list.

991
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.800
They'll give us the Hidden two to Be to Be.

992
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I love it. Yeah, Oh man, I have to sing along.

993
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.639
You have to You have to well, listeners, what did

994
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.599
you think of The Hidden? You can let us know

995
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996
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997
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:53.119
you can check out a film by podcast dot com

998
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.679
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999
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1000
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at a Film by a podcast at gmail dot com

1001
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.559
with your questions, comments and concerns. We may just read

1002
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.880
your response on the show and send you some of

1003
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.519
my phone by swag and next time on a film

1004
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:13.280
by It's all about a woman with a thirst.

1005
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For bad guys.

1006
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:19.719
I'm not talking about Amber Lewis or am I, because

1007
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.039
she'll be here. She'll be here to sink her teeth

1008
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.119
into a film by John Landis, his vampire dark comedy

1009
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:31.159
Innocent Blood. Dave, I gotta say, you're looking a little peaked.

1010
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.000
You've got another three or four of these these films

1011
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.480
to cover with me. Don't give into the alien parasite

1012
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:36.840
just yet.

1013
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That's what I'm saying.

1014
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.960
I'm fighting it, Jeff, But don't worry. I'm here for

1015
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:40.440
the ride.

1016
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.000
And what a great ride it's going to be. I

1017
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love when we do. I love October because we just.

1018
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.719
We overbook ourselves, because we just there's so many films

1019
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:50.519
that we want to talk about.

1020
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.119
You know, it's spooky season. We love it.

1021
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:53.719
We have to love love it absolutely.

1022
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It's all you fiends out there listening to us, following

1023
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us and subscribing to our Patreon.

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Much like James Buckley, we thank you. No rude, I

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