James Mangold - Cop Land

0:00 There are two types of people in this world. Pinball people video game people. Jeff, your pinball people. You always got something to say, Brad. Yeah, well, i'd like to say I'd like to talk about a film by James Mangold is nineteen ninety seven crime thriller Copland. Hello everybody, and welcome back to a film by a podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson. I am Brad Kozo. We're just a couple of days away, Brad. Until the Man with the Fedora is back on the big screen. James Mangold is in the director's chair this time. Yeah, I think it's time for a new take, a new director, you know. I mean, we we've saw what other people can do with our Star Wars universe and you know, Batman universe and stuff, So yeah, it's time for a little shake it up. A little bit. That worries me, Man, because we've seen Yeah, you're right, we've seen what others can do in these universes.

1:23 But but they also others have not done as well. Mangold is an incredible director. I know we're gonna talk about his filmography, but I mean, you're completely comfortable with him taking over for Spielberg on in Indiana Jones. Yeah, because when we talk about his filmography, well, well you'll understand why. Okay, all right, well that I'm very comfortable after the Crystal Skull, I am very Oh wow, Okay, let's not go there's all right. Well, let's let's talk about what I what I feel is one of his better films. Let's talk about Copland. Man Um, this is a we always talk about the underrated movies. I don't know if there's a if there's a more underrated film that we've talked about for a director, everyone's working on everyone's working for scale. This is a big I mean everyone's in this movie and everyone and Brad my research. I talk to people, Yeah, we're doing Copland next, and like, which, what's Copland? I know a lot of people haven't seen this one, which is okay, which is a crime. Yeah yeah, but I'm kind of glad that people will get a chance to revisit it. Then well, tell us, give us, give us the Brad Kozo synopsis. What is Copland all about? Okay?

2:38 So in Garrison, New Jersey, the NYPD's transit officers have found a community to raise their families with no crime. But when the mob starts running the transit cops and letting them run wild. A tragic accident turns into a cover up of epic proportions. It's only when Garrison, Sheriff played by Sylvester Stallone, realizes he's in accessory to the cover up does he start to shake up the town, demanding answers with a stellar performance of every member of the cast. And the first time the world was introduced to James Mangold, It's Copland very good. I mean, like I said, this was my introduction to him. He had one movie before then, a really independent film, but this is the you know, this was my introduction to his movies, and I basically I've followed his career ever since. I don't know about you, but I've been watching him. Yeah, this is this is odd and we get to you mentioned his first his directorial old debut Heavy. I think it's a film. I didn't see that one, and not not that I want to jump ahead, but I will say this, I'm right there with you.

3:39 I see Copland in ninety seven, it's it blows me away. And this is one of those situations where every time I see the name James Mangold, I'm ready to see a new movie, and it's like I've watched it, I've watched his I've watched his filmography in real time as they've come out much Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of nice to be able to do that, to watch somebody in real time. Yeah, so I know we're gonna have a good conversation about the filmography. Let's have a conversation about this this all star cast who decides to work for scale. Start with the film star Sylvester Stallone as as Sheriff Freddy Hefflin, right, And like we were talking with Last Action Hero, you know, the action genre of those guys that Stallone's and the Schwarzenegger's was changing, and the best bet was to do a kind of bring back your career and either get ugly or fat and deliver some really stellar performance in an independent film. And this is something that Stallone, you know, basically did by gaining a bunch of weight for the movie.

4:55 Looking, I mean, his whole body language is very it's different. This is one of the movies I really find it hard to see Sylvester Stallone the movie star in He's He's very in character in this movie. I'm gonna say, Brad, you know, you know what a fan I am of Stallone, After Rocky Balboa and John Rambo, Freddy Heflin absolutely his best role he's ever done. I think, most underrated role, and I think it's I think it's I put it top three for his performances. Well, I mean, you know, we think of Stallone as the action guy, but I mean this is a guy that started off as a dramatic actor, you know, Yeah, and you know he's always been a dramatic actor and loved, you know, being able to change things. And I kind of like now in his later years he's seems to be kind of doing that accepting that, you know, older guy type of area. So you know, this was a little bit of ahead of it now, I know, I know he actually goes in. He actually wants the role of Figsy, which goes to ray Lyoda. Ray Leota wants the role of Freddy Heflin, And there's like a little bit of a hey, I want this role, I want this. Mangold wants to swit, wants to swap him. Stallone decides if he's gonna do this, He's gonna do it. You talked about his body language, he does not carry himself like an action because because he eats,

6:26 he eats his way to forty pounds of fat to completely change his body, his physicality. And and when when he's walking around this movie, you can see it's not that he's walking tall like an action hero. He's he's kind of lumbering, you know, Yeah, you could see that. There's it's it's a labored effort, right, Yeah. You can almost see the rain cloud over his head, you know, the dark rain cloud over his head. And he's just so he's so sad um. You know, he's not pathetic, but you know he's basically in this town to kind of just shut up and deal with the you know, little kids doing stuff around the community, because there's other MC cops that live in this garrison, New Jersey.

7:14 He's a figurehead, you know, he's yeah, he's he's a paper sheriff. I think it's I think it's interesting. I also think it's sad. So Stallone, he's looking at this project. It's it's an indie project with Merrimax, and he thinks, you know, he's in a slump. You know. The action movies are like you, like you talked about the last action hero kind of let's let's us know, like, hey, we're ready to move past this this look. He feels this is his way to become, you know, an a lister. Again, the movie doesn't do what he hopes it will do for his career. I mean, obviously this has got a lot of um critical buzz around it, but it does it doesn't put him back where he wants. I find it interesting that he passes on a racer to do this. He was up for. He was gonna do a race. He says, no more, I'm not I'm not gonna do that. I'm past the action here with the stuff. So he gains the way Arnold takes a racer and you know, a racer. I don't know what your thoughts were on that one. It's fun, it's it's fun.

8:11 It's just it's not it's not it's not gonna be in your top five, right when you talk, when you talk Arnold, right, Yeah, but it's a fun movie. It's a fun movie. But yeah, he passed on that just to do this one. I think I obviously I think it was his It was the better choice. You know, he did good. Let's talk about good choice. So let's talk about a couple of names that were in the running to play this role before Stallone takes it. I want to ask you what your thoughts are if the movie is better or or with or without these guys. So Sheriff Freddy Heflin almost played by John Travolta, Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, and at one point was even offered to Gary Sinise, is this movie better with any one of those guys in the role?

8:58 Um? No no. And Travolta was actually about to do it. He liked the script, but the problem was Weinstein wanted him to do it for basically no money, because he told him you owe me for pulp fiction. You know, it revamped the Travolta name and everything about it. So he thought he should do it for free. So that's why Travolta passed, because Weinstein wanted to do that. And the movie was billed as that this is a Travolta s comeback forced a loon. I mean, it was very similar new direct writer director Merrimac Studios, you know, used to be big, now not doing so great. It was supposed to kind of do the same thing. It didn't, I think because it got a wide release when it should have been more of a low independent film, which is what Mangold wonted. Yeah. Well, it's funny you mentioned the pay with Travolta, because if everyone's doing scale on this, I'm wondering if Harvey's just because he's a He's he's a slime anyways, but I'm wondering if he's trying to get Travolta underscale, you know, because I wouldn't put it past him for that.

10:13 Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I mean, and at that point, you're Travolta. You you're now being offered these giant paychecks right now. I mean, you're you've already done the independent film and he was on a I mean, we talked about this, Travolta was on a streak and that right that there, this movie was in the middle of it, and those streaks were big, big paychecks. So okay, let's talk about a couple of the other big names in this one. You got Harvey Keitel playing ray Donlin, you got ray Leota as Figsy, and you got Robert de Niro in one of his coolest roles playing uh Mo Tilden, you know, special investigator. There's okay, So out of a bunch of people.

10:58 I don't know who. Radiot is great, de Niro is great, Robert Patrick's great, Rapiports, brit great, um, all of them. They're so good in this movie. All these people that you expect that are known for acting in these powerful dramas, they deliver in this movie. I liked it Harvey Kitel because he's clearly like the connected guy. He's he's he's the puppet master. Yeah, but he plays it with a sense of vulnerability, like I really appreciate. And I don't know, maybe it's maybe it's mangals writing, maybe it's his direction, maybe it's just Kitel being Kitel, But I love how he he doesn't oversell it. He's not like he's not trying to play himself like a like the big man in town. He's he's a he's a nine to five blue collar guy. And he you know, he's got some great moments, especially at the four Aces where he's kind of holding court, you know, where he kind of flexes his muscle a little bit.

12:00 But other than that, he's he's a he's a vulnerable character. The realists never really show a lot of emotion, like in the whole movie. Yeah, Well, even you know, even at the like towards the end when you know, the the the attempted murder of a Superboy goes sideways, and Pete Burg's like, I thought, I thought we were gonna get him set up, and you know, he's got that line. He's like you think I'm all that, you know, like he he doesn't try to, you know, show off in front of the other guys, like even though they all looked at him as like ray Donland gave us this town, ray Donland gave us this setup, you know. So I think this is one of Kitel's better performances because of that. And that's the thing. Everybody in this is so good, you know, all the way down. And what do you like? Who do you like? Brad? I love Leota's performance, uh Annabella Sciora's performance. I mean every time Leota's on screen, I thought he was just dynamic, you know, Stallone's performance, like you said, the best sense Rocky and John Rambo, you know, in my opinion.

12:56 So I got a question, you know, because this this movie's a lot of that guy's in it, and I have a good question. I have a question for you. But before we get to him, let's let's talk Leota. That moment where he's on stallone's couch, barefoot in his sweatpants and he's got his pack of cigarettes and his his ass trait. That's overfilling. Yeah. I just that just feels like real authentic ray Leota. Like if ray Leota is going to crash at your place, you know, I feel like ray Leota step stops in and says, hey, do you mind if I crash here tonight? And then and then four days later, you know, your wife's like, can you can you mention something to him? Is he gonna leave today? Like I feel like I feel like he's not going anywhere. This movie of it's got cops mixed with the mom you know and everything you kind of log like about cop or crime thrillers. This movie has I think one thing, whether you're talking about classic noir films or the neo noir as it is, which this this would fall under. You always got that that trope of dirty cops, you know, cops on the take or you know, cops doing bad things. These these guys are perfect for it because it's I don't really look at them as bad guys per se, I look at them as as good guys that are taking bad opportunities because ray Leota's character, you know, I mean, on a good day, he on a good day, he's hanging out on your couch, he's doing cocaine

14:28 in your bathroom, and he's you know, he's like they're all in front of a stallone's sheriff character, like they they have so little respect for him. They're not even trying to hide their criminal activity. But at the same time, like you're it's you don't mind it. You know, they're not they're not they're doing bad things. It's just that they're not. They're not doing they're not murdering people, you know, they're not. And that's the way they see it, you know, And that's the way they look at it. I mean, like you said, they're in their four aces, which you know they explain, you know, it's a not a avilion bar. It's for cops only, which is no problem considering the whole town is full of cops. So they kind of free talk, you know, in there, so don't worry about that there there are no civilians and there so as they're kind of talking all the other cops kind of no and yeah, they show this you know respect. So there's a bunch of dirty stuff going on at this cop bar. So, I mean it's it's got everything in that movie opens with classic voiceover work by de Niro. Yeah, I love it. I love anytime this happens. Is this is this mangled kind of channeling Scorsese bread. It's a little bit um. I know. What he wanted was basically the film to be a small town version of the films, to sit in the met stuff like Serpico or Princess City but meets Fargo.

15:52 So, I mean all those types of elements are in there, you know, the dirty cops of Serpico and Prince of the City, but like the kind of style of great supporting actors like Fargo. Well, I love I love the opening. Uh we we quickly understand, you know, you you see uh, you see you see Leota talking with uh who is it Edie Falco? Right, Uh, it's insinuated that something dirty's going down. We don't know it. And then you see stallone. You know, he's over there in his flip flops. He's playing he's actually did you notice the pinball machine he's playing? And lethal weapon three. I love It's got you.

16:37 Yeah, Rigson Burt on the on the on the side panel. Yeah, but you're like, who's this guy, you know, uh, and then you find out he's the sheriff. You know, he's stealing quarters out of the parking meters. Yeah, Leo, we had a little fun in our cold open, you know, with their their dialogue. But but uh, you know, it's it's it's funny because yeah, Stallone's playing pinball, but you know, the whole pinball people versus video game people. It's that idea of you know, some people are stuck in the past. They're they're they're never gonna advance with technology, They're never gonna advance with the you know, the way things change. They're a product of their of their time, of their environment. And Stallone, who you know, his his his sheriff Freddy Heflin, who has the hearing issues because of a you know, his heroic efforts as a teenager, right, which I love. I love the backstory with their well we'll talk about but Heflin is this damaged guy. But you know it's like they're sympathetic to him. They they look out for him, you know, like, hey, you can't pick on our our brother, but we can kind of mentality. Yeah, he's like, yeah, he's like a little brother, you know. Like I said, he's got a hearing loss, so they kind of seem as handicap. He's applied for the you know, NYPD and multiple times and because of his hearing, he can't get on. So all these people that he's around get to be dream cops, city cops like him. And he's got this town where he's got to deal with people, you know, dump and trash. Yeah. Well it's uh, you know, you you talked about how expertly he plays the role,

18:07 like just with his physicality. And it's the little thing though, that that that clew you into Freddie being kind of kind of naive, kinda kind of not with it, you know, like what it's it's such a small thing. But like I noticed, whether he's in his uniform or whether he's in his his suit when he when he wants to go into the big city to talk to to de Niro. Did you ever did you pick up on the fact that he's always wearing white tube socks. Oh the second I saw the movie. Yeah, it's that's that, you know, It's it makes sense. It makes a dopiness kind of look to it. Yeah, he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, uh not dopey at all. De Niro just with a commanding performance in this. I love DeNiro on this one.

18:53 Yeah. It's it's a little similar to his um character he played in Backdraft, but with a little more or a little more bite to it. Oh yeah yeah, and a lot more mustache. He's got great lines in this movie. He his lines are fantastic. Does he have Maybe he's got the best lines in the movie. I think that actually does get them, you know, the you know, I gave you a chance and you blew it, blew it. Yeah, that scene to make a noise again, we got ourselves a case again. That what what I love about that scene is here here you got stallone. He's he's ready to do the right thing. He's he's all amped up and he's gonna be the hero now. And de Niro is is so concerned with his sandwich and his napkins. Yeah, and that's not even in the script. That's um what I what I what I look into it. I find out lunch was was coming late that day.

19:49 De Niro had to get a sandwich in. So he's just like he's like I'm gonna eat while we're doing this, and it's brilliant. Man, It's yeah, it's so dismissive. Yeah still still look, I don't even have a time for you. My hands are tied. Maya cut me handsn't tied. Yeah, oh yeah, go to lunch. Yes, that that whole scene where where they where the mayor shuts him down is great. We got some amazing that guys and this brand. Okay, I'm gonna throw some names at you, and I want to know who who you given the award to? Who who's uh who really steps up as as the that guy? Uh you got and you got to you got some bigger named that guys because you know Peter Berg playing Joey Randon. Yeah, probably more famous now for his his his direction, you know, because he's such a great director. We love we love his stuff. Yeah, he does a lot of movies.

20:42 Robert Patrick. I kind of feel like he doesn't really classifies with that guy at this point because he's he was the T one thousand, uh so x files eventually it's on x files, Yeah, but he wasn't on x files then. He was kind of only really known as the T one thousand guy. For a while. Okay, still he started to hook up with James Mangold because they have a good working relationship. Back they do well, isn't it. The My understanding is that he is staying in a hotel with with Burg and maybe Rapp or it's either Burger, it's Rappaport. They start talking. They tell him about the script for Copland. He meets, he meets a Mangold, gets gets a script, and then you know, Mangold invites him into the picture like a couple of days later. He is he's bringing serious heat to this movie. You know, when you talking, I mean to go from the T one thousand, where he's got like barely any dialogue.

21:40 He's such a dirt bag, but he's also he's like the dirt bag like you dig. You know. I like Robert Patrick. I like when he showed him in this I like when he shows up in things. His moment on the bridge on the GW where he plants the gun very poorly. Oh gosh, he's even trying. Man. Who is he's with the He's with Tarantino's buddy, uh Paul, That that moment between them where things kind of heat up, the exchange you know, I think that's one of the better moments of the movie. I love I love that that moment. But I'm getting I'm getting away from what I was going to ask you, Brad. I'm sorry. Uh So, let's talk about some of that guys. You got Noah Emerick, who we've talked about several times. We talked about him in Super Super eight. We've we always we never liked no Emrick, his characters, I should say his characters, you know, yeah, um, he's he's deputy. Know what it was? I was so as I was watching this last night, I'm singer. What did we talk about with him? And I was driving it was Super eight Super eight where we talked about, like you you just hoped to Kyle Chandler would punch him in the face. Yeah, and this one I kind of hope. I'm looking for anyone to punch him in the face because he's such a worm. He's a good guy, he's a good he's a cop. You know, he's he's he's decent. But like that whole Rio Bravo moment at the end where they're like they're you know, he's like, hey man, I got a wife, I gotta you know, It's like, if you're gonna be a coward, just be a cow just say you're you're scared, and get out.

23:06 Get the hell out. I know, but that's the perfect thing, because that's what they set him up with. They set him up with these people that are gonna fail him. If he ever got you know, he'd be on his own. You're not giving him any good help. I mean, he's not a good cop and he knows. I mean, No Emeric definitely looks the part. It's just like, oh yeah, yeah, that guy looks the part. You know. So well, okay, okay, so we got we got No Emeric, you got John Spencer, you got Frank Vincent him, who who Who's uh? Who? Who's your top? That guy in this movie? Would be my question to you. I don't know. I kind of like when Frank Vincent shows up. He he basically walks off the set of Good Fellows, you know, it's like, yeah, hey, you're I almost feel like like mangals, like, hey, could you you know you're not a mafia guy, right, could you could you do this as like the president of the Policeman's Foundation And he's like, oh yeah, I shook kid. Yeah, But he's still he is straight up, he's he's like where he I feel like he shows up on the set and he's like, where's Marty, what are we doing here? That's what's going on. I like. I like John Spencer. Like John Spencer always plays that that when you need like a commissioner or a lieutenant or he's in the rock, right yeah, yeah, he's he's the one that that's screwed over John Mason right right yeah, um, but he's always like when you

24:38 need a when you need that good mid level police guy in charge. I feel like John Spencer like maybe maybe he's got a contract with Hollywood where he like he has to play every every single role that's that's in that that that that wheelhouse. Yeah that's great. Yeah yeah he does. He's great. Uh let's talk about some of these ladies. Uh you got the the lovely uh Annabella Shoa shore Yah to her, she just kind of disappeared, you know, she was she'd pop in a movie every once in a while and then you wouldn't hear from her. I always thought she was damn cute, especially in this movie. She is she is And here's here's you asked the question, So I'll give you the answer. Um, but I don't want to go all dark and and ugly here. Um. She sadly she is one of the multiple victims of Harvey Weinstein. So, you know, because I had that same question brow, I'm like, why you know we hand the rocks of cradle. She's fantastic, she's awesome in this what happened to her? And then uh, you know, you do a little do a little digg in online, uh, and you find out that there was some ugly stuff. Yeah again, Harvey Weinstein just a you know, just a piece of shit. That why I have sacked a lot of ormations him.

26:00 If after we discussed the ladies, okay, involvement or should I say interruptions? Okay, okay, yeah, let's let's let's let's let's get back on a lady, let's talk about the Let's talk about the Ladies of Copland, because uh, Annabella Shora playing Liz Randon, the object of Stallone's affections, Freddy Heflin's but yet married to Peter Bergh's kind of doche Joey Randol. Yeah, yeah, because because say what you will about about Randon, He's he's in on the take. He's he's he's juiced in. But he also these guys there, it's not black and white, it's their shades of gray because he has his redeemable moment towards the end of this movie. Um, but again, let's let's get back to Let's get back to Liz. Yeah, the long suffering wife. She I think she's sensational in this film. Yeah, yeah, she is. And she definitely looks the part. You know.

26:57 I think when they show like the the little clipping that uh Stallone's character has in his place, it's like a prom queen picture, you know, when they're showing the incident of the accident, so I mean playing And I was like, yeah, it looks like she used to be the prom queen exactly what she looks like, and ended up marrying a guy like, you know, like a Ray. He's a guy like that. It get to be p D. Doesn't that make you mad? Yeah? Yeah yeah figs He's like, you know, you you jump in for this girl, you save her, you save her life, you lose your hearing because of it? Yeah, being jealous? Yeah, it's yeah, you know, I think there's I love the moment, the tender moment, Um, you know, might might be the moment for me that that like the most impactful, you know, I know we talked about that. Well, I'll save that, I'll save that for later. Um, we love Annabelle in this How about Kathey more Eddie love he is? That? Is that you promus?

27:56 Yeah? Kathy Marianty, Yeah, she rose. She's a she's Kitel's wife, and she's she is not about she's not about to hide the fact that she's she's sleeping around with one of his partners. And yeah, she's kind of channeling a little bit of her raging bull performance. But I don't care because it just looks like he's just in this movie. You're like, yeah, Radley or Harvey Kaitee's character would be married to her. It just it just seems like if you were talking about this movie on paper, you'd be like, yeah, this person would be that person. She she comes, she comes with such a real housewife's mentality in this movie that that works, like you believe, you know, because she's it's like she's a you know, she's living above her means, even though it's like the the Tacki nineties Jersey lifestyle. You know, they got you know, like like you know, she like just her the way she carries herself, the clothes, She's fantastic. Yeah, and watch her character because um she does a great thing at the end. She does she does, uh Edie Falco? I mean blinking you miss her? Yeah kind of blinking Is this brad Is this is this early on in Falco's career because I feel like they like she's underused.

29:18 This is ninety seven. Yeah, I can't remember when the Sopranos started. That would have been I mean, could have been around that time. Was it Sopranos after this movie? Because I know a lot of people show up in Sopranos after this, Yeah, I could be after this movie. Yeah. I don't know if this is a situation where Edie Falco has already arrived and she's just doing a small little thing because everyone's in this movie, or if this is like, hey, check out Edie Falco. She's gonna go places. Because I'm not really familiar with the work. Maybe another blinking you blinking you miss a moment? We all we all blinked, we all missed it. I thought this was a mistake. It turns out Debbie Harry Blondie herself is in the was in the movie and they cut, like they cut her role completely out. Who did she play? She plays a character named Dolores, and apparently she's talked about it, like, yeah, I was in I was in Copland. They cut all my stuff. I don't care because I still got paid. So I wonder who. You gotta wonder who Dolores was, you know, like, well, I believe there's a director's cut of this movie, your kid, So we'll have to look into that.

30:30 Oh man, I couldn't even imagine what a director's cut would because this movie is awesome. You know, love this movie, and I would definitely want more, definitely want more. Let's you know, we we kind of we kind of I kind of feel like we pushed past Michael Rappaport way too fast, considering he's he's the cause of the whole movie playing Murray super Cop or super Boy Babbage. You know, he goes full on Michael Rappaport. This is this is what he does. This is the kind of stuff he does. So this is him doing what he does. And the like I said, it fits perfectly. It's almost like these parts were written with these actors in mind. I agree. Uh. Rappaport's character, you know, we were introduced to him at the beginning of the movie. He's he's uh, he's at Scores, famous famous strip club in New York. Bret, Bret. You know it's funny about Scores. You and I uh not to you know, not to get you in trouble with the missus when you when well, I'm just saying, like when you think about like think about Motley Crue's Girls, Girls Girls, all the all the name drops they do.

31:44 Yeah, I mean you and I, You and I have been in almost more than half of those famous clubs. We you know, Scores never made the list for us. So if we ever go to New York, do you do you want to you want to dip in there just to say we were there, because apparently when you leave their bad things happened. Bad things happen, right, Yeah, bad things happened to you. Michael Rappaport just feels like he's there, like he's a regular. I feel like, oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's and you know, like he said, it was there there for a bachelor party, and it's you know, all the cops are there, so I mean they're all pound and drinks, all getting in their cars and then you know, a terrible, terrible accident happens.

32:25 I think I think Mangold handles this moment expertly because yeah, these guys, it's reckless op obviously, you know, he gets sideswiped. They're just having fun. They're they're you know, they're they're goofing off. You know, they flash a what is it a steering wheel lock and he yeah, like a club, yeah, the club. Yeah, but it's like all black. And the thing is when you when you see it for a second, you know, it looks like a sniper gun type. You first see this movie like that's a gun, but now you look out, you're like, oh, yeah it is. Yeah. But I mean talk about the movie opening just with like an electrifying moment though it's a great like I mean, and it comes out of nowhere and it's it's a very like tense scene.

33:15 I liked the way he directs it. Yeah, shame on me. We we just glazed over Michael Rappaport. We came back to him. We did the same thing with the Janine Garoffalo playing deputy Deputy Cindy. Yeah, I love her in this movie. Because we're so used to her comedic timing, we're so used to her comedic roles. Yeah, and there is not a single stitch of that in this movie. Uh, she's playing the deputy, Yeah, just still in his deputy doesn't belong in the town. You know, probably got sick of the city of the seeing the death and stuff like that, and figured, hey, this quiet, quiet town where not a lot of things go wrong. And then she starts to realize, oh oh, this is kind of like the you know, the home base of the crime spree. So she wants out of the movie basically pretty quick.

34:13 Yeah. I mean you you you show up in Garrison, you figure you've got a pretty easy job, but then you find out you can't even do that. You can't even do the easy job. You know, she's trying. She's a bust bust the speeding, the speeders, and it's like, oh, well, you know, Stalone's like looking at the at the the radar gun, going oh yeah, that's that's donlin. Oh that's easy. The whole town is like that. No matter what, dude, they're doing some thronging. It's okay, it's it's them, but they're not supposed it's okay, it's them. There's a lot then, and because Freddie has now basically been doing that, he's he's like, they're they're using me. Once he realizes I think that he's the one that's being used, is when he starts to kind of turn around. Yeah, yeah, well let's turn this around, right, Let's let's talk a little bit. Uh, you got some you got a little bit of insight on this, on this movie?

35:06 What what do you what can you tell me? Yeah? So, like I said, with the thing with you know, Travolta, obviously he wanted him and he wanted you to do it for free. So Travolta said no. Now, the ending shot of the movie, the climactic battle, Mangol shot that whole thing in Sloma. As you see, he never did a cut of it in real time. Weinstein decided that that slowed the movie down too much, even though it's the end of the film, and try and wanted, you know, the real time, We're like, we didn't, we didn't do it. And he was trying to find a way to speed up the film to make it look as if it was real time. And then they found out and he couldn't do it, but they were doing some reshoots and Mangol gets called from somebody from Merrimax saying, Harvey has a scene that he'd like you to read. The scene is a feel good scene at the end of the movie where DeNiro goes up to stallone and he gives him an NYPD badge. Are you kidding me? Mangold was like, no way, no way. He hung up. He called de Niro and he's like, he wants the scene. He goes, I don't want to do it, And once de Niro said that he wouldn't do it was never brought up again. It's just like, just like that. He was like once Niro said, well, I won't do it, because he was like, you're you're gonna do it, and he thought he was gonna have do it.

36:30 But since DeNiro said no, they didn't actually have to do it. Oh, that would have really hurt the movie. Could you imagine how awful that wonderful world of Disney ending would have made this movie? And because I feel like, okay, so everything that that wine scene is wanting to convey, Mangold does convey because it's just that look, that simple look that DeNiro gives stallone when he when he when he when he brings a when he brings Babbage in like a almost like a hey, you did it. You know you're you're yeah, you're a cop, you know, because that's the whole thing. Like he when he shows up in in in Garrison, you know, he's like, oh, you're kind of like the sheriff of Copland and you know he has that. He has that. Again, the cops like Kitel and Robert Patrick, even even ray Leota, they're all dismissive of Stallone's character.

37:27 Yea um, but you know you'd think like he'd get a little bit of respect from from de Niro and even Demiro's a little dismissive because he's like, you may be law enforcement, but you're not a cop. You know. It's like everyone has it's like they almost like they're going out of their way to disrespect him. Yeah except Figs, well yeah Figs again, Figs. I feel like Figsy. He does it, but he does it in that the you're my little brother. Saw him allowed to pick on you kind of a way because he talked like he'll you know, he's he's with him. He sides with him, like you know, like doesn't doesn't that make you angry? And doesn't doesn't that bother you? You know, he has those moments, but he also sometimes he's talking down to him, like the the whole you know, and and again it's it's to like teach him a lesson, it's to to help him understand things. Yeah, you know, he like he talks about the uh, the you know, the the going diagonal. Great great moment you know between their their characters where you know, he's like, you don't you know, what do you what do you do?

38:25 He's like, yeah, you hit the lights and the sirens and and you run the red lights. But that's not the fastest way to get across town. You got a good diagonal, you know, you turn when you get a red light, you turn, you know. And yeah, because Stallone's character doesn't understand that what he's talking about politics, he's talking about how to get ahead, how to how to get around things. You know. Love that moment for him. Yeah, yeah, so I know, Uh, I know, Garrison obviously is not a real town in New Jersey. You know, it's made up. Uh. One thing I found out, Brad I thought was kind of cool. A lot of this movie is influenced by mangolds upbringing. He actually grew up in a town basically, he grew up in Copland, Copland where you know, it was a town where a lot of cops lived and it was kind of a safe known as a safe place, and everyone knew everyone. And you know, so a lot of a lot of his writing comes from just where he grew up in h this place. Yeah, and I like that he was the writer director of this too, and just right away we saw that this guy. It almost feels like with with Mangold, he he goes with the times, He moves with the times. It doesn't matter what genre he wants to dip into, because this Copland has a real seventies Scorsesey grit to it. Yeah, but we also know he can do and we'll get to the filmography here, you know, we'll take a break here in a little bit, we'll get into filmography.

39:57 But we know that he can do the big budget, the action movie, he can do the superhero movie, he can do the rom com. Like do you feel like when you're watching a James Mangold movie, do you feel like, oh this is this is Mangold. I never really know where he's going next I see a movie, whether it's like, hey this this big name actor is going to be in this project, and even if I have a doubt or I'm like I'm I'm not sold. The second they say James Mangold writing and directing, I'm in. Well, let's take a quick break and we come back. We're going to talk about the filmography of James Mangold. Did you grow up with a lack of parental supervisions? Do you know all the lyrics to the Fresh Prince of bel Air? Remember Mary mc cheese from The Pride Guys have an inexplicable love for the canton e racist?

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42:15 he's studying, I should say, under famous director. We have yet to talk about one, milosch Foreman. Oh, how about that. Yeah, and you know you mentioned Heavy his directory. W Well, it's foreman who helps him develop the scripts for Heavy and Copland. So how about that. Let's let's talk briefly about uh, some of some of his films, Brad, because these are just you know, like like we said in the beginning, we've we've kind of followed his career as movies have come out. So let's let's spend a little bit time with mister Mangold. Uh. Here's what I'll say for just for our listeners, because Brad, you and I have some homework to do. His directorial debut a film called Heavy, which actually has a couple names in it. I want to mention real quickly. So um, Heavy is uh and again just giving you a quick synopsis, the life of an overweight, unhappy cook is changed after a kind, beautiful college dropout comes to work as a waitress at the at this little roadside restaurant that he works at. So who a Taylor Vince another that guy we're gonna we're gonna talk about him a couple of films later. But liv Tyler in in

43:47 this movie, Shelley Winters, Brad, who we have we've talked about once or twice, and and and Debbie Harry. Now here's here's something crazy Heavy. I I gotta wonder is Heavy connected to Copland? Are they in the same universe? Because we talked about Debbie Harry playing a character named Dolores, Right, their characters Dolores in the movie Heavy, Debbie Harry plays a character named Dolores. Well, we're gonna have to find out. We're gonna have to find Heavy and see it another another that guy, one of our favorites, David Patrick Kelly from The From the Cream, Dreamscape Commando. Yeah, this is so this movie. I mean, you got some you got some reputable people in it. It sounds it sounds pretty cool. And you figure if Milosh Foreman is helping you put this together, gotta be a good movie, right Yeah. Yeah, that was nineteen ninety five. We've been talking about Copland, which comes out in ninety seven, and two years later he goes on to direct a not an unknown but uh still new in Hollywood.

44:58 M Angela Jolie. Yeah, Yeah, Angelina Jolie Yeah. And girl interrupted your thoughts on girl interrupted, brad Um. I mean, it's a it's a decent movie. It's it's a lot of good acting scenes. Um. I've seen a lot of actresses do these scenes, you know, and in classes and stuff, a lot of girl interrupted scenes. Um. But it's that type of film that if you're into it. I mean I remember seeing it once and it was it was okay. I think I expected a lot more because I'd like to cop lend so much because I knew this is the next movie. And I was like, that's what you give me. But he, you know, like I said, he turned left. Yeah he's zigzact. He did what he says, you know, but he got so he did. Yeah, all right, so two thousand and one you get hat and Lee Uphold did you ever say this? I did? Uh?

45:55 You know, he writes, you know, this is again. He's on. He's on, he's on a he's on a run here of of of writing and directing. His first time working with h Hugh jack Jackman. Yeah, Hugh Jackman certainly won't be his last time when working not my cup of tea, per se. But here's the weird. If you like romantic comedies, you'll you'll enjoy that film. You'll enjoy Okay, Yeah that's fair because like you know, I'm not you know, I'm not usually rushing out to see every rom com Yeah, but uh, you know it's for you know, you get what you get what you pay for. Um, here's the interesting thing, Brad we he pulls us in with Copland, where like, this guy is amazing. I'm seeing everything he's gonna do. And he follows copling up with a girl interrupted and Kate and Leopold, you and I both respect the efforts. Oh yeah, but we're not, at least for me at this point, I'm not like this guy is one of the best directors.

46:52 He's one of my favorite directors. Am I am I alone in that assessment or where you kind of like I think you know, he knew so he knew how to do the crime thriller. He got it done, I think, and he wanted to see what else he could do, and he dove into um directing women, which as a man can sometimes be really difficult to really show everything. Then he tried romantic comedy and you know, wanted to see like what he's challenging himself. Okay, well, let's talk about what he does in two thousand and three because this is one of my favorite Uh James Mankold movies. Yeah, identity Identity, Uh, based loosely based off of the the Agatha Christie short story. You know, we've seen this done a couple of times. I never get tired of this, uh this story. Yeah, you know, he's got got the rain storm and a you know, a creepy hotel and once again, really good supporting actors.

47:59 And yeah, it's it's it's a good it's a good thriller. Let's let's talk about a little bit. You said, you said great supporting actors. Let's just talk a little bit about this cast. Because you got John Cusack, Rayleiota is back with him, Amanda Pete, that guy John Hawks, you got Alfred Molina, John C. McKinley, who we love on this podcast. Um, he's fantastic. Uh. Pruett Taylor Vince who is in this movie. Uh, he's back with him. You know, he does his directory w heavy, he's back with him. Jake Busey is in this. Rebecca di Mournet, who had been kind of out of off the Hollywood scene for a while. She makes a comeback of sorts. And this movie, I feel like this has you know, because you don't know that you're watching the Agatha Christie story until you're like midway through. Maybe then that's because like, first off, I saw this at the theater. I was like, wait is this this is Agatha Christie. I know what's I know what's going on here, but his his big twist at the end, the shock at the end when you find out who these people are. I don't know if I should say it because like someone someone, I won't if someone's out there like, what what's identity? Um? Yeah, because it's on it's playing on Max right now. It's streaming on Max. Uh. You know, if you don't have a physical copy of it, you want to check it out, go go to HBO, Max or Max whatever they're calling it now. Um, you gotta you gotta watch this. This is a a nail biting thriller, right Brad. Oh yeah, And let's just talk about

49:32 his next film, which basically made Johnny Cash cool again. And that's of course walk the line. Oh man, Uh, you kind of mentioned he's he's uh, he's doing this thing where he's he's making he's creating strong female roles, you know, with girl interrupted and Katon, Leopold Reese Witherspoon is just you know, this is like what his This is the second time he he directs uh an actress to Oscar gold right. Yeah, yeah, he does um walk the Line. Yeah. I hate to say it makes Johnny Cash cool again, because Johnny Cash was never not cool. He's the original Johnny Cash relevant. Uh. He gave I like that and introduced him to a new audience. I like that. Okay, I liked that. And now he's doing Now he's doing a biopic. And I think for me big surprise was, Hey, Joaquin Phoenix is gonna sing. He's doing all his own his own singing for this as is Rhese Witherspoon and I gotta tell you because I love Brad you know this. Uh, I'm a I'm a big fan of Johnny Cash. I love his music. I feel like Joaquin's versions they're damn good man. Oh yeah, they do it. They both do really good. This is a This is a landmark for his his career.

50:47 This is this is a turning point. This was the major turning point. He was after this, he was back in the big game. I think with Walk the Line, he got what was kind of expected from Copland, but dude to kind of the poor reception and you know, not a lot of people seeing it. Now he's with the big with the big guys. Now, okay, so you're you're saying, walk the line. It's fair to say that this this he's arrived, right he is. He is a go to director. Yeah, give the guy whatever he wants for the next movie. Usually okay, yeah, well the next movie, Brad. Uh.

51:27 Two years later he does a remake of a famous western. Brad, you love your westerns. So I got to ask you, what did you think about Russell Crowe and Christian Bale in three ten to Humor? It was good. I like this movie a lot. It's a it's a mean Western, and I like it. It's got attitude, it's it's got maybe not the most heroic people, you know. It's got a bad guy that you love. It's got horse chases. Uh yeah, it's it's a dark It's a dark Western that you don't see you too much anymore. Ben Foster, Ben Foster's amazing in this movie. Ye Peter Fonda showing up. Yeah, Peter almost forgot. Peter Fonda was in it. Altutic is in it too.

52:16 I know he's known for a sci fi work, but he had a small role in it, but it's a Yeah, it's a good western Night and Day action comedy. You got Tom Cruise, you got Cameron Diaz. That right, there should be enough to say this movie is gonna make one hundred million dollars, right m But it doesn't know what happened here. I don't think the casting of those two people in that role would have been right. I think it's a good d I think it's a decent movie with not the right cast. I don't think that Cruise was right for it, and I don't think that Cameron Diaz was for it. I don't know who could have played it, but I think somebody having more better comedic timing than those two. And I think another thing. Tom Cruise, at this point in his career is red hot with the Mission Impossible franchise, So for him to do a comedic you know where he's trying to clear his name and he's you know, it's kind of a goofy spy. I don't think this is the right timing for for Cruise to do this project. Enough about Night and Day, we could we could be here night and Day talking about that one recasting it. But he does. He does a couple of TV episodes in two twelve, and then he enters the superhero genre in a way I don't think anyone expected. Twenty thirteens The Wolverine, He's bus back with you. Jackman

53:47 basically says, look, we're gonna do this, but if we're gonna do it, we're gonna we're gonna do it right well, because they tried with the X Men Origins Wolverine and that didn't go over very well. So then they bring in James Mangold. Yeah, I gotta be honest, guilty pleasure, I would put X Men Origins Wolverine in my guilty pleasures like top ten because at the end of the day, it's an X Men movie with Wolverine, and it's got some great action and it's got some fun stuff. And then, yes, it's not there's so many things that are wrong with it, but I still like it and I appreciate it. But that's not his movie. The Wolverine, though, it is so much better. The Wolverine is way better because it's uh, it's almost like, I know, like a separate kind of story. Yeah. Now, one thing I always respected about it was and I remember you and I talked about this when Wolverine was coming out, and we were excited because Brad, I actually remember our phone call because when we decided to do Mangold, I was like, Oh, we're gonna We're gonna address this. You remember, like, oh, yeah, James Mangold is doing the new X Men movie and I was like yeah, and he's also channeling Outlaw Josie Whales, Like he's using Outlaw Josie Whales as his inspiration for the new Wolverine movie. And you see that in in in the Wolverine. I mean you definitely see it. Uh, it's absolutely Hugh Jackman's uh best at this point. He because he plays Wolverine like nine

55:21 or ten times. He's about to play him again in Deadpool three. But this is where Wolverine like he he he plays him as Logan, right, Yeah, but it's it's amazing, but it's the next installment. Well hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one other thing I want to talk about though with with you know, not to not to turn this into a Wolverine thing, but I love you know, we've talked about this guy before. Uh here at Yuki Sonata, who is an awesome actor. Um, you know, he had worked with Tom Cruise before, not that to get back to Tom Cruise, but you know, in the Last Samurai, this guy is just amazing. I love him, Brad. I know you're not a fan of the John Wick films, but he was. He was awesome in the in John Wick Chapter four. I loved him at Scorpion in the Mortal Kombat movie. He's one of those guys. He's he's got a big career, but we've only seen just a taste of it because he's now he's doing like these these big Hollywood movies. But yeah, all right, I'm I'm gonna get off the the Wolverine uh tangent here just so we can we can go a couple of years later. Let's talk to me about Logan, Brad, because the right, yeah, I mean a rated R version of Wolverine and done in this phenomenal style. It's the movies got styled to it. It's got a oh like an apocalyptic creepiness to it, like and it's it's rough, man, It's a rough, hard, dirty movie.

56:52 You can't have a you can't be a weakling watching this movie. Well, let's let's talk about the power that James Mangold is wielding at this point. Okay, yeah, he has directed people to Oscar Gold. He's worked with some of the biggest names in Hollywood, and you know, with the Wolverine, he makes the superhero genre respectable again. And when they go back and they're like, hey, we want we want you back, We're gonna do Logan. Basically, I don't know if there's ever been a situation where they where a director could say, well, we're gonna do a very hard R rated version. There's gonna be uh, we're dropping the F bomb. We're gonna see the superhero kill people. We're gonna see we're vulnerabilities that we that we didn't see before. And uh yeah, I'm gonna kill the guy too, and and Fox says, okay, sure, I think you got your Best Adapted Screenplay a nomination for us didn't. Yeah, this is I don't know. I wasn't ready for Logan, you know, because yeah, I just I didn't think that they were gonna be able to do the things that they did, like, yeah, you can't. All right, Uh, let's talk twenty nineteen, Uh Ford versus Ferrati. He's back with Christian Bale My father's favorite film. This is a this is a this is a big Alcozo. I watched them like he got he guy made him like like I

58:22 said, he knows what he likes. Like this guy made a movie for my father. Yeah, I made a movie for my father. It was weird, but man, what an awesome movie. I wished I would I got to see in the theater. You didn't see this in the theater? Nod because it came out I can't remember if it was late twenty nineteen and then hit. I never got to see in the theater because once I eventually did see it, I said, looking at the scenes of Mike, man, this would have been great to watch. And yeah, this is this is a release date November fifteenth. Yeah, I just didn't get around to it. The sound quality in the theater, Like I told people like, you gotta see this movie, and they're like, well, you know, because of a couple of people are like, well, I don't I'm not into cars. It doesn't want me to be. Are you are you into?

59:14 And are you into the most impressive sound quality you've ever heard in a film? Um, you know, one of my favorite actors in uh in Ford versus Ferrari got John Burnthall playing, yeah, playing playing Leah i Ah Coca of all people like, yeah, you know you're so used to seeing him play tough guys. And then it's like, wait, he's Lehiah Coca. Really Yeah? Ford Versus Ferrari it's a very um that's kind of now. I don't know anybody that didn't like that movie. It's one of those just uh, I call him a satisfaction Saturday type of movie. It's like it's movie night and you want to be completely satisfied with a movie and no no aggravation with it, and Versus Ferrari goes into that charac category. You know, I know you and I are physical media snobs. I have walked by Ford Versus Ferrari. I don't own this one. And there's a reason I've walked by it. That the four K Blu Ray you can buy it at best Buy for like twelve ninety nine or fourteen movies at best Buy still depending on depending on the day. You know. Yeah, sometimes they put a couple out, but I missed the boat like this. When this first hit there hit at Street Date, they had this incredible I mean, it was just a gorgeous looking steel book, and it was loaded with extras.

1:00:34 It was like thirty bucks. I was like, I'll get it next week when it's on sale, and then it's sold out everywhere. You couldn't get it online. I want it, Brad jack eBay. There's always somebody selling it, all right, anyone, if you're listening, you got a copy, send us an email, we'll talk. Well, we'll wheel endeal. Remember that Phrasier episode where somebody calling and had something that you wanted. I'm just telling you. There you go. Uh bread quite an impressive library of films for this guy. Oh yeah, you know we've seen everything besides like what looking back? So you and that's heavy? Is anyone we didn't see?

1:01:17 Yeah? Yeah, so we haven't seen eleven for twelve. That's obviously going to see his most recent film. I've I've already got my tickets. Uh. I'm going with a couple of a couple of the con men, David Burns and Wayne Whited. Yeah, we've got our tickets. I know, I gotta believe. I know Dayton Johnson are our good buddy at Docum Base seventy seven. I know he's a big indie fan. I'm sure he's got his tickets already, are you you're gonna go. You gotta get to see this one in the theater. Bread I'm gonna find a way. You're gonna find a way. Yeah, I will find a way. And I think the reason that I'm comfortable with him is because, yeah, he said, the couple of films that he did of the Wolverine character were really great.

1:02:00 But the other movies, you know, the Singer films and stuff like that, those are still really good movies. So you're not like, oh, this was needed, this huge change. You're finding someone to adapt previous work and put a spin on it, to make it their own. So let's see what he does with Indiana Jones. He, like I said, he knows, he knows action, he knows comedy, he knows how to direct great stars, and he knows how to give them great dialogue. So I'm I'm excited for it. You've convinced me more because I'll be honest. The first time I read the story that Spielberg was going to produce and not directed, we all panicked. I panicked, and then they said mangold, and I was like, I took a breath. I was like, oh, I say, I can handle that. I can handle that. I in my brain I channeled UH eighty seven's RoboCop Informer. Would you like to know more that's I need? It's like, okay, James Bengeld, I okay, now, yeah, that guy could do. Now I'm I'm sitting back down and let's let's talk. Let's talk about it. So the trailers.

1:03:12 Look, I know, I know some people are like you know with some of the CGI, but come on, it looks like just like him from thirty years ago. So I can't wait, you know. But then then what does he have after that? Okay? So let's I think, because he's got a handful of things that he's working on. But let's talk about the Big Three? Okay, Okay, So first off, it's already been announced this new uh, this new gods and Gods and monsters thing that's happening with DC, the new all the DC movies. Okay, Um, he has been tapped, he's he's already he's I guess he's come out and said, hey, he's doing swamp thing. Okay, So I I think I love the classic you know you and like, just like we were talking, we like it, but he might give us something kind of cool too.

1:04:02 I love the fact that James Gunn he's looking at directors like like James Mangold for these projects, so swamp Thing definitely bring it on. He also this past Star Wars celebration, big announcement, he talks about he's doing a Star Wars movie, Star Wars Dawn of the Jedi. I'm excited to see what he's gonna do with his Star Wars movie. Listen to this quote. Okay, is this is? This is Mangold talking, he says, and I quote, well, I've talked to Lucasfilm before and even worked a bit before on other projects. When I mentioned to Kathy that I had an idea about going backward, really far backward, I was surprised that it excited her and the other wonderful people she works with at Lucasfilm. For me, it's about I want to be part of the saga, but I also don't want to be holding so much lore in the air that you can hardly tell a story. And what I really wanted to do what I told her, was just can we make a kind of ten Commandments of the Force, you know, a kind of origin story of how the Force came to be known, understood, wielded, and harnessed. Brad, the fact that he mentions ten commandments and the same breath as the Force. I'm there, I'm there, Opening Night, Give me, give me his movie. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely one of the more interesting out of all the Star Wars scripts that they've talked about of side projects doing, that's the most interesting one I've

1:05:34 heard of. Yeah. But yeah, absolutely, And it seems like it could just stand alone, like how a Logan or the Wolverine does. I like that it could just stand alone on itself. It doesn't have to like he said, he goes, I don't need to connect the dots that much. You know, I'm just I'm starting with everything. Yeah, forget the dots. When you're going twenty five thousand. You know what he's doing. He's doing diagonal. He's going diagonal. He's turning right at the red light. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Uh, Brad, You've got to be excited for his other big project that's been announced. I think this I think before we get his Star Wars movie and a Swamping movie, I think this one's next. Uh. Talking about his work with Elle Fanning, Timothy Shalomy, and Benedict Cumberbatch. The film is called a Complete Unknown and it is a Bob Dylan biopick. He's going back to the biopics. So you know, I could see it. I could see this new watch.

1:06:34 When this movie comes out, everybody will start talk listening to Bob Dylan. I will too. I'm guilty of it. I started listening to Johnny Cash from Walking the line came out, you do it? Do you think we get Shalomay doing his own singing? Yeah? I feel like Bob Dylan has that that distinct voice where anyone can do their their their impression. So I feel like Shaalomay, being being an actor actor, probably doesn't like to say, hey, I'll do my own singing. Hopefully he says it, but he's not gonna do a poor imitation. He's gonna just he'll bring his own thing to it. That's what I'm hoping for. Yeah, right, Mangold knows what he's doing. He made sure he knows what he's doing. Back to Copland, Let's let's let's wrap it up here with Copland. Brad, where are you going with your recommendation on this one? Oh all the way, Um, this is a uh watch stream and try to purchase if you can. But I'm gonna look for that director's cut. Well listen, well, Brad is looking for the elusive director's cut, and you don't want to wait for that. It is currently streaming on Max. A lot of a lot of Mangold's work is I believe because I watched Identity, I own a copy of Identity, just like, Oh hey, Identity's on there, walk the lines the lines on that. Unfortunately Forward Versus Ferrari isn't on there.

1:07:50 No, But if you I'm with Brad, this is a this is a must watch. It is a must own if you can find a good quality copy on physical media that you like, and if if you if you enjoy James Mangol, if you want to get in the mood for for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, go to Max and celebrate his catalog, because you know, the guy has not made a bad movie. I think that's very No, not at all. Well, Jeff, what do we got coming up next week? We got a lot going on here. Um, are good buddies Scott and Dave and Wayne now in the mix. They're doing they're doing this recap. Brad. I know you're I know you're a Star Trek fan, but maybe you're a casual more of a casual fan. But Strange New Worlds on Paramount Plus, it's, uh, they're in their second season. Strange New Worlds is like classic sixty six Shattner Star Trek. It's awesome, it's a great writing. And these guys, uh, they're doing a recap Strange New Wednesdays they're calling it. They're just, yeah, they're doing a fun little recap. So it's you know, you can listen to what their their thoughts and opinions are right before you watch the new episode on Thursday. But the Strange New Wednesdays currently happening out there, Brad. I'm excited to say next week our latest and greatest limited series is starting up and we've got a great lineup of a special guest coming to talk about these films with us. So nineteen seventy six kicks off next next week on a film

1:09:27 by But yeah, we got we got some fun stuff happened all right until next time. I'm a little girl and that set all down in a little h We got married. We never far in little. We got to work on a better tag, a better sendoff, like we'd always need that.

1:10:08 Dave Burns has like that, you know, until our film will start rolling again. How you need it, You need a good you need you need the sendoff. We need to give you a sendoff somehow, man like. You need to work. You need to come up with something, and you should close out the shows. I think all work on that.