James Mangold - Cop Land

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There are two types of people in
this world. Pinball people video game people.

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Jeff, your pinball people. You
always got something to say, Brad.

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Yeah, well, i'd like to
say I'd like to talk about a

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film by James Mangold is nineteen ninety
seven crime thriller Copland. Hello everybody,

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and welcome back to a film by
a podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson. I

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am Brad Kozo. We're just a
couple of days away, Brad. Until

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the Man with the Fedora is back
on the big screen. James Mangold is

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in the director's chair this time.
Yeah, I think it's time for a

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new take, a new director,
you know. I mean, we we've

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saw what other people can do with
our Star Wars universe and you know,

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Batman universe and stuff, So yeah, it's time for a little shake it

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up. A little bit. That
worries me, Man, because we've seen

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Yeah, you're right, we've seen
what others can do in these universes.

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But but they also others have not
done as well. Mangold is an incredible

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director. I know we're gonna talk
about his filmography, but I mean,

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you're completely comfortable with him taking over
for Spielberg on in Indiana Jones. Yeah,

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because when we talk about his filmography, well, well you'll understand why.

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Okay, all right, well that
I'm very comfortable after the Crystal Skull,

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I am very Oh wow, Okay, let's not go there's all right.

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Well, let's let's talk about what
I what I feel is one of

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his better films. Let's talk about
Copland. Man Um, this is a

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we always talk about the underrated movies. I don't know if there's a if

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there's a more underrated film that we've
talked about for a director, everyone's working

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on everyone's working for scale. This
is a big I mean everyone's in this

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movie and everyone and Brad my research. I talk to people, Yeah,

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we're doing Copland next, and like, which, what's Copland? I know

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a lot of people haven't seen this
one, which is okay, which is

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a crime. Yeah yeah, but
I'm kind of glad that people will get

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a chance to revisit it. Then
well, tell us, give us,

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give us the Brad Kozo synopsis.
What is Copland all about? Okay?

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So in Garrison, New Jersey,
the NYPD's transit officers have found a community

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to raise their families with no crime. But when the mob starts running the

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transit cops and letting them run wild. A tragic accident turns into a cover

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up of epic proportions. It's only
when Garrison, Sheriff played by Sylvester Stallone,

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realizes he's in accessory to the cover
up does he start to shake up

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the town, demanding answers with a
stellar performance of every member of the cast.

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And the first time the world was
introduced to James Mangold, It's Copland

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very good. I mean, like
I said, this was my introduction to

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him. He had one movie before
then, a really independent film, but

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this is the you know, this
was my introduction to his movies, and

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I basically I've followed his career ever
since. I don't know about you,

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but I've been watching him. Yeah, this is this is odd and we

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get to you mentioned his first his
directorial old debut Heavy. I think it's

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a film. I didn't see that
one, and not not that I want

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to jump ahead, but I will
say this, I'm right there with you.

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I see Copland in ninety seven,
it's it blows me away. And

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this is one of those situations where
every time I see the name James Mangold,

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I'm ready to see a new movie, and it's like I've watched it,

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I've watched his I've watched his filmography
in real time as they've come out

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much Yeah. Yeah, it was
kind of nice to be able to do

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that, to watch somebody in real
time. Yeah, so I know we're

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gonna have a good conversation about the
filmography. Let's have a conversation about this

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this all star cast who decides to
work for scale. Start with the film

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star Sylvester Stallone as as Sheriff Freddy
Hefflin, right, And like we were

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talking with Last Action Hero, you
know, the action genre of those guys

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that Stallone's and the Schwarzenegger's was changing, and the best bet was to do

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a kind of bring back your career
and either get ugly or fat and deliver

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some really stellar performance in an independent
film. And this is something that Stallone,

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you know, basically did by gaining
a bunch of weight for the movie.

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Looking, I mean, his whole
body language is very it's different.

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This is one of the movies I
really find it hard to see Sylvester Stallone

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the movie star in He's He's very
in character in this movie. I'm gonna

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say, Brad, you know,
you know what a fan I am of

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Stallone, After Rocky Balboa and John
Rambo, Freddy Heflin absolutely his best role

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he's ever done. I think,
most underrated role, and I think it's

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I think it's I put it top
three for his performances. Well, I

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mean, you know, we think
of Stallone as the action guy, but

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I mean this is a guy that
started off as a dramatic actor, you

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know, Yeah, and you know
he's always been a dramatic actor and loved,

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you know, being able to change
things. And I kind of like

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now in his later years he's seems
to be kind of doing that accepting that,

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you know, older guy type of
area. So you know, this

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was a little bit of ahead of
it now, I know, I know

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he actually goes in. He actually
wants the role of Figsy, which goes

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to ray Lyoda. Ray Leota wants
the role of Freddy Heflin, And there's

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like a little bit of a hey, I want this role, I want

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this. Mangold wants to swit,
wants to swap him. Stallone decides if

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he's gonna do this, He's gonna
do it. You talked about his body

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language, he does not carry himself
like an action because because he eats,

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he eats his way to forty pounds
of fat to completely change his body,

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his physicality. And and when when
he's walking around this movie, you can

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see it's not that he's walking tall
like an action hero. He's he's kind

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of lumbering, you know, Yeah, you could see that. There's it's

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it's a labored effort, right,
Yeah. You can almost see the rain

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cloud over his head, you know, the dark rain cloud over his head.

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And he's just so he's so sad
um. You know, he's not

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pathetic, but you know he's basically
in this town to kind of just shut

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up and deal with the you know, little kids doing stuff around the community,

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because there's other MC cops that live
in this garrison, New Jersey.

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He's a figurehead, you know,
he's yeah, he's he's a paper sheriff.

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I think it's I think it's interesting. I also think it's sad.

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So Stallone, he's looking at this
project. It's it's an indie project with

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Merrimax, and he thinks, you
know, he's in a slump. You

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know. The action movies are like
you, like you talked about the last

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action hero kind of let's let's us
know, like, hey, we're ready

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to move past this this look.
He feels this is his way to become,

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you know, an a lister.
Again, the movie doesn't do what

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he hopes it will do for his
career. I mean, obviously this has

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got a lot of um critical buzz
around it, but it does it doesn't

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put him back where he wants.
I find it interesting that he passes on

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a racer to do this. He
was up for. He was gonna do

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a race. He says, no
more, I'm not I'm not gonna do

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that. I'm past the action here
with the stuff. So he gains the

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way Arnold takes a racer and you
know, a racer. I don't know

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what your thoughts were on that one. It's fun, it's it's fun.

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It's just it's not it's not it's
not gonna be in your top five,

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right when you talk, when you
talk Arnold, right, Yeah, but

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it's a fun movie. It's a
fun movie. But yeah, he passed

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on that just to do this one. I think I obviously I think it

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was his It was the better choice. You know, he did good.

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Let's talk about good choice. So
let's talk about a couple of names that

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were in the running to play this
role before Stallone takes it. I want

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to ask you what your thoughts are
if the movie is better or or with

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or without these guys. So Sheriff
Freddy Heflin almost played by John Travolta,

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Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, and
at one point was even offered to Gary

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Sinise, is this movie better with
any one of those guys in the role?

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Um? No no. And Travolta
was actually about to do it.

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He liked the script, but the
problem was Weinstein wanted him to do it

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for basically no money, because he
told him you owe me for pulp fiction.

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You know, it revamped the Travolta
name and everything about it. So

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he thought he should do it for
free. So that's why Travolta passed,

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because Weinstein wanted to do that.
And the movie was billed as that this

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is a Travolta s comeback forced a
loon. I mean, it was very

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similar new direct writer director Merrimac Studios, you know, used to be big,

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now not doing so great. It
was supposed to kind of do the

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same thing. It didn't, I
think because it got a wide release when

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it should have been more of a
low independent film, which is what Mangold

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wonted. Yeah. Well, it's
funny you mentioned the pay with Travolta,

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because if everyone's doing scale on this, I'm wondering if Harvey's just because he's

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a He's he's a slime anyways,
but I'm wondering if he's trying to get

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Travolta underscale, you know, because
I wouldn't put it past him for that.

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Yeah, well, I mean,
yeah, I mean, and at

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that point, you're Travolta. You
you're now being offered these giant paychecks right

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now. I mean, you're you've
already done the independent film and he was

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on a I mean, we talked
about this, Travolta was on a streak

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and that right that there, this
movie was in the middle of it,

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and those streaks were big, big
paychecks. So okay, let's talk about

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a couple of the other big names
in this one. You got Harvey Keitel

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playing ray Donlin, you got ray
Leota as Figsy, and you got Robert

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de Niro in one of his coolest
roles playing uh Mo Tilden, you know,

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special investigator. There's okay, So
out of a bunch of people.

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I don't know who. Radiot is
great, de Niro is great, Robert

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Patrick's great, Rapiports, brit great, um, all of them. They're

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so good in this movie. All
these people that you expect that are known

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for acting in these powerful dramas,
they deliver in this movie. I liked

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it Harvey Kitel because he's clearly like
the connected guy. He's he's he's the

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puppet master. Yeah, but he
plays it with a sense of vulnerability,

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like I really appreciate. And I
don't know, maybe it's maybe it's mangals

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writing, maybe it's his direction,
maybe it's just Kitel being Kitel, But

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I love how he he doesn't oversell
it. He's not like he's not trying

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to play himself like a like the
big man in town. He's he's a

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he's a nine to five blue collar
guy. And he you know, he's

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got some great moments, especially at
the four Aces where he's kind of holding

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court, you know, where he
kind of flexes his muscle a little bit.

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But other than that, he's he's
a he's a vulnerable character. The

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realists never really show a lot of
emotion, like in the whole movie.

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Yeah, Well, even you know, even at the like towards the end

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when you know, the the the
attempted murder of a Superboy goes sideways,

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and Pete Burg's like, I thought, I thought we were gonna get him

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set up, and you know,
he's got that line. He's like you

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think I'm all that, you know, like he he doesn't try to,

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you know, show off in front
of the other guys, like even though

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they all looked at him as like
ray Donland gave us this town, ray

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Donland gave us this setup, you
know. So I think this is one

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of Kitel's better performances because of that. And that's the thing. Everybody in

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this is so good, you know, all the way down. And what

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do you like? Who do you
like? Brad? I love Leota's performance,

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uh Annabella Sciora's performance. I mean
every time Leota's on screen, I

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thought he was just dynamic, you
know, Stallone's performance, like you said,

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the best sense Rocky and John Rambo, you know, in my opinion.

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So I got a question, you
know, because this this movie's a

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lot of that guy's in it,
and I have a good question. I

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have a question for you. But
before we get to him, let's let's

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talk Leota. That moment where he's
on stallone's couch, barefoot in his sweatpants

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and he's got his pack of cigarettes
and his his ass trait. That's overfilling.

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Yeah. I just that just feels
like real authentic ray Leota. Like

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if ray Leota is going to crash
at your place, you know, I

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feel like ray Leota step stops in
and says, hey, do you mind

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if I crash here tonight? And
then and then four days later, you

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know, your wife's like, can
you can you mention something to him?

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Is he gonna leave today? Like
I feel like I feel like he's not

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going anywhere. This movie of it's
got cops mixed with the mom you know

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and everything you kind of log like
about cop or crime thrillers. This movie

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has I think one thing, whether
you're talking about classic noir films or the

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neo noir as it is, which
this this would fall under. You always

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got that that trope of dirty cops, you know, cops on the take

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or you know, cops doing bad
things. These these guys are perfect for

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it because it's I don't really look
at them as bad guys per se,

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I look at them as as good
guys that are taking bad opportunities because ray

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Leota's character, you know, I
mean, on a good day, he

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on a good day, he's hanging
out on your couch, he's doing cocaine

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in your bathroom, and he's you
know, he's like they're all in front

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of a stallone's sheriff character, like
they they have so little respect for him.

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They're not even trying to hide their
criminal activity. But at the same

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time, like you're it's you don't
mind it. You know, they're not

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they're not they're doing bad things.
It's just that they're not. They're not

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doing they're not murdering people, you
know, they're not. And that's the

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way they see it, you know, And that's the way they look at

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it. I mean, like you
said, they're in their four aces,

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which you know they explain, you
know, it's a not a avilion bar.

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It's for cops only, which is
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full of cops. So they kind
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there, so don't worry about that
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as they're kind of talking all the
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they show this you know respect.
So there's a bunch of dirty stuff going

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on at this cop bar. So, I mean it's it's got everything in

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that movie opens with classic voiceover work
by de Niro. Yeah, I love

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it. I love anytime this happens. Is this is this mangled kind of

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channeling Scorsese bread. It's a little
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wanted was basically the film to be
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to sit in the met stuff like
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So, I mean all those types
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the dirty cops of Serpico and Prince
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kind of style of great supporting actors
like Fargo. Well, I love I

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love the opening. Uh we we
quickly understand, you know, you you

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see uh, you see you see
Leota talking with uh who is it Edie

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Falco? Right, Uh, it's
insinuated that something dirty's going down. We

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don't know it. And then you
see stallone. You know, he's over

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there in his flip flops. He's
playing he's actually did you notice the pinball

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machine he's playing? And lethal weapon
three. I love It's got you.

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Yeah, Rigson Burt on the on
the on the side panel. Yeah,

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but you're like, who's this guy, you know, uh, and then

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you find out he's the sheriff.
You know, he's stealing quarters out of

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the parking meters. Yeah, Leo, we had a little fun in our

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cold open, you know, with
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you know, it's it's it's funny
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you know, the whole pinball people
versus video game people. It's that idea

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of you know, some people are
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never gonna advance with technology, They're
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the way things change. They're a
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their environment. And Stallone, who
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Heflin, who has the hearing issues
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efforts as a teenager, right,
which I love. I love the backstory

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with their well we'll talk about but
Heflin is this damaged guy. But you

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know it's like they're sympathetic to him. They they look out for him,

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you know, like, hey,
you can't pick on our our brother,

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but we can kind of mentality.
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like a little brother, you know. Like I said, he's got a

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hearing loss, so they kind of
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you know, NYPD and multiple times
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get on. So all these people
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city cops like him. And he's
got this town where he's got to

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deal with people, you know,
dump and trash. Yeah. Well it's

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uh, you know, you you
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like just with his physicality. And
it's the little thing though, that

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that that clew you into Freddie being
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of not with it, you know, like what it's it's such a small

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thing. But like I noticed,
whether he's in his uniform or whether he's

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in his his suit when he when
he wants to go into the big city

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to talk to to de Niro.
Did you ever did you pick up on

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the fact that he's always wearing white
tube socks. Oh the second I saw

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the movie. Yeah, it's that's
that, you know, It's it makes

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sense. It makes a dopiness kind
of look to it. Yeah, he's

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like yeah, yeah, yeah,
uh not dopey at all. De Niro

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just with a commanding performance in this. I love DeNiro on this one.

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to his um character he played in Backdraft,

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but with a little more or a
little more bite to it. Oh

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yeah yeah, and a lot more
mustache. He's got great lines in this

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movie. He his lines are fantastic. Does he have Maybe he's got the

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best lines in the movie. I
think that actually does get them, you

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know, the you know, I
gave you a chance and you blew it,

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blew it. Yeah, that scene
to make a noise again, we

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got ourselves a case again. That
what what I love about that scene is

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here here you got stallone. He's
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He's he's all amped up and he's
gonna be the hero now. And de

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Niro is is so concerned with his
sandwich and his napkins. Yeah, and

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that's not even in the script.
That's um what I what I what I

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look into it. I find out
lunch was was coming late that day.

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De Niro had to get a sandwich
in. So he's just like he's like

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I'm gonna eat while we're doing this, and it's brilliant. Man, It's

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yeah, it's so dismissive. Yeah
still still look, I don't even have

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a time for you. My hands
are tied. Maya cut me handsn't tied.

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Yeah, oh yeah, go to
lunch. Yes, that that whole

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scene where where they where the mayor
shuts him down is great. We got

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some amazing that guys and this brand. Okay, I'm gonna throw some names

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at you, and I want to
know who who you given the award to?

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Who who's uh who really steps up
as as the that guy? Uh

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you got and you got to you
got some bigger named that guys because you

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know Peter Berg playing Joey Randon.
Yeah, probably more famous now for his

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his his direction, you know,
because he's such a great director. We

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love we love his stuff. Yeah, he does a lot of movies.

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Robert Patrick. I kind of feel
like he doesn't really classifies with that guy

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at this point because he's he was
the T one thousand, uh so x

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files eventually it's on x files,
Yeah, but he wasn't on x files

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then. He was kind of only
really known as the T one thousand guy.

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For a while. Okay, still
he started to hook up with James

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Mangold because they have a good working
relationship. Back they do well, isn't

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it. The My understanding is that
he is staying in a hotel with with

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Burg and maybe Rapp or it's either
Burger, it's Rappaport. They start talking.

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They tell him about the script for
Copland. He meets, he meets

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a Mangold, gets gets a script, and then you know, Mangold invites

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him into the picture like a couple
of days later. He is he's bringing

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serious heat to this movie. You
know, when you talking, I mean

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to go from the T one thousand, where he's got like barely any dialogue.

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He's such a dirt bag, but
he's also he's like the dirt bag

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like you dig. You know.
I like Robert Patrick. I like when

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he showed him in this I like
when he shows up in things. His

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moment on the bridge on the GW
where he plants the gun very poorly.

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Oh gosh, he's even trying.
Man. Who is he's with the He's

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with Tarantino's buddy, uh Paul,
That that moment between them where things kind

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of heat up, the exchange you
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better moments of the movie. I
love I love that that moment. But

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I'm getting I'm getting away from what
I was going to ask you, Brad.

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I'm sorry. Uh So, let's
talk about some of that guys.

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You got Noah Emerick, who we've
talked about several times. We talked about

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him in Super Super eight. We've
we always we never liked no Emrick,

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his characters, I should say his
characters, you know, yeah, um,

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he's he's deputy. Know what it
was? I was so as I

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was watching this last night, I'm
singer. What did we talk about with

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him? And I was driving it
was Super eight Super eight where we talked

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about, like you you just hoped
to Kyle Chandler would punch him in the

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face. Yeah, and this one
I kind of hope. I'm looking for

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anyone to punch him in the face
because he's such a worm. He's a

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good guy, he's a good he's
a cop. You know, he's he's

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he's decent. But like that whole
Rio Bravo moment at the end where they're

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like they're you know, he's like, hey man, I got a wife,

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I gotta you know, It's like, if you're gonna be a coward,

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just be a cow just say you're
you're scared, and get out.

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Get the hell out. I know, but that's the perfect thing, because

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that's what they set him up with. They set him up with these people

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that are gonna fail him. If
he ever got you know, he'd be

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on his own. You're not giving
him any good help. I mean,

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he's not a good cop and he
knows. I mean, No Emeric definitely

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looks the part. It's just like, oh yeah, yeah, that guy

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looks the part. You know.
So well, okay, okay, so

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we got we got No Emeric,
you got John Spencer, you got Frank

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Vincent him, who who Who's uh? Who? Who's your top? That

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guy in this movie? Would be
my question to you. I don't know.

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I kind of like when Frank Vincent
shows up. He he basically walks

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off the set of Good Fellows,
you know, it's like, yeah,

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hey, you're I almost feel like
like mangals, like, hey, could

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you you know you're not a mafia
guy, right, could you could you

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do this as like the president of
the Policeman's Foundation And he's like, oh

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yeah, I shook kid. Yeah, But he's still he is straight up,

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he's he's like where he I feel
like he shows up on the set

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and he's like, where's Marty,
what are we doing here? That's what's

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going on. I like. I
like John Spencer. Like John Spencer always

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plays that that when you need like
a commissioner or a lieutenant or he's in

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the rock, right yeah, yeah, he's he's the one that that's screwed

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over John Mason right right yeah,
um, but he's always like when you

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need a when you need that good
mid level police guy in charge. I

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feel like John Spencer like maybe maybe
he's got a contract with Hollywood where he

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like he has to play every every
single role that's that's in that that that

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that wheelhouse. Yeah that's great.
Yeah yeah he does. He's great.

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Uh let's talk about some of these
ladies. Uh you got the the lovely

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uh Annabella Shoa shore Yah to her, she just kind of disappeared, you

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know, she was she'd pop in
a movie every once in a while and

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then you wouldn't hear from her.
I always thought she was damn cute,

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especially in this movie. She is
she is And here's here's you asked the

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question, So I'll give you the
answer. Um, but I don't want

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to go all dark and and ugly
here. Um. She sadly she is

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one of the multiple victims of Harvey
Weinstein. So, you know, because

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I had that same question brow,
I'm like, why you know we hand

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the rocks of cradle. She's fantastic, she's awesome in this what happened to

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her? And then uh, you
know, you do a little do a

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little digg in online, uh,
and you find out that there was some

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ugly stuff. Yeah again, Harvey
Weinstein just a you know, just a

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piece of shit. That why I
have sacked a lot of ormations him.

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If after we discussed the ladies,
okay, involvement or should I say interruptions?

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Okay, okay, yeah, let's
let's let's let's let's get back on

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a lady, let's talk about the
Let's talk about the Ladies of Copland,

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because uh, Annabella Shora playing Liz
Randon, the object of Stallone's affections,

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Freddy Heflin's but yet married to Peter
Bergh's kind of doche Joey Randol. Yeah,

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yeah, because because say what you
will about about Randon, He's he's

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in on the take. He's he's
he's juiced in. But he also these

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guys there, it's not black and
white, it's their shades of gray because

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he has his redeemable moment towards the
end of this movie. Um, but

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again, let's let's get back to
Let's get back to Liz. Yeah,

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the long suffering wife. She I
think she's sensational in this film. Yeah,

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yeah, she is. And she
definitely looks the part. You know.

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I think when they show like the
the little clipping that uh Stallone's character

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has in his place, it's like
a prom queen picture, you know,

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when they're showing the incident of the
accident, so I mean playing And I

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was like, yeah, it looks
like she used to be the prom queen

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exactly what she looks like, and
ended up marrying a guy like, you

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know, like a Ray. He's
a guy like that. It get to

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be p D. Doesn't that make
you mad? Yeah? Yeah yeah figs

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He's like, you know, you
you jump in for this girl, you

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save her, you save her life, you lose your hearing because of it?

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Yeah, being jealous? Yeah,
it's yeah, you know, I

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think there's I love the moment,
the tender moment, Um, you know,

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might might be the moment for me
that that like the most impactful,

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you know, I know we talked
about that. Well, I'll save that,

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I'll save that for later. Um, we love Annabelle in this How

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about Kathey more Eddie love he is? That? Is that you promus?

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Yeah? Kathy Marianty, Yeah,
she rose. She's a she's Kitel's wife,

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and she's she is not about she's
not about to hide the fact that

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she's she's sleeping around with one of
his partners. And yeah, she's kind

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of channeling a little bit of her
raging bull performance. But I don't care

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because it just looks like he's just
in this movie. You're like, yeah,

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Radley or Harvey Kaitee's character would be
married to her. It just it

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just seems like if you were talking
about this movie on paper, you'd be

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like, yeah, this person would
be that person. She she comes,

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she comes with such a real housewife's
mentality in this movie that that works,

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like you believe, you know,
because she's it's like she's a you know,

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she's living above her means, even
though it's like the the Tacki nineties

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Jersey lifestyle. You know, they
got you know, like like you know,

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she like just her the way she
carries herself, the clothes, She's

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fantastic. Yeah, and watch her
character because um she does a great thing

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at the end. She does she
does, uh Edie Falco? I mean

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blinking you miss her? Yeah kind
of blinking Is this brad Is this is

402
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.039
this early on in Falco's career because
I feel like they like she's underused.

403
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.279
This is ninety seven. Yeah,
I can't remember when the Sopranos started.

404
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:26.599
That would have been I mean,
could have been around that time. Was

405
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.799
it Sopranos after this movie? Because
I know a lot of people show up

406
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.119
in Sopranos after this, Yeah,
I could be after this movie. Yeah.

407
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:38.440
I don't know if this is a
situation where Edie Falco has already arrived

408
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.200
and she's just doing a small little
thing because everyone's in this movie, or

409
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.480
if this is like, hey,
check out Edie Falco. She's gonna go

410
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.559
places. Because I'm not really familiar
with the work. Maybe another blinking you

411
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.400
blinking you miss a moment? We
all we all blinked, we all missed

412
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:57.440
it. I thought this was a
mistake. It turns out Debbie Harry Blondie

413
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.359
herself is in the was in the
movie and they cut, like they cut

414
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:06.839
her role completely out. Who did
she play? She plays a character named

415
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:11.799
Dolores, and apparently she's talked about
it, like, yeah, I was

416
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.039
in I was in Copland. They
cut all my stuff. I don't care

417
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.759
because I still got paid. So
I wonder who. You gotta wonder who

418
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:25.720
Dolores was, you know, like, well, I believe there's a director's

419
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:30.200
cut of this movie, your kid, So we'll have to look into that.

420
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.559
Oh man, I couldn't even imagine
what a director's cut would because this

421
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.200
movie is awesome. You know,
love this movie, and I would definitely

422
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.839
want more, definitely want more.
Let's you know, we we kind of

423
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.680
we kind of I kind of feel
like we pushed past Michael Rappaport way too

424
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:52.839
fast, considering he's he's the cause
of the whole movie playing Murray super Cop

425
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:59.799
or super Boy Babbage. You know, he goes full on Michael Rappaport.

426
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.359
This is this is what he does. This is the kind of stuff he

427
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:07.640
does. So this is him doing
what he does. And the like I

428
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.640
said, it fits perfectly. It's
almost like these parts were written with these

429
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:18.480
actors in mind. I agree.
Uh. Rappaport's character, you know,

430
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.160
we were introduced to him at the
beginning of the movie. He's he's uh,

431
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.279
he's at Scores, famous famous strip
club in New York. Bret,

432
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.200
Bret. You know it's funny about
Scores. You and I uh not to

433
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:36.000
you know, not to get you
in trouble with the missus when you when

434
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.519
well, I'm just saying, like
when you think about like think about Motley

435
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.359
Crue's Girls, Girls Girls, all
the all the name drops they do.

436
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.599
Yeah, I mean you and I, You and I have been in almost

437
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.880
more than half of those famous clubs. We you know, Scores never made

438
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.920
the list for us. So if
we ever go to New York, do

439
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.000
you do you want to you want
to dip in there just to say we

440
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.519
were there, because apparently when you
leave their bad things happened. Bad things

441
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.079
happen, right, Yeah, bad
things happened to you. Michael Rappaport just

442
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.279
feels like he's there, like he's
a regular. I feel like, oh

443
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.680
yeah, yeah, I mean it's
and you know, like he said,

444
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.839
it was there there for a bachelor
party, and it's you know, all

445
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:21.359
the cops are there, so I
mean they're all pound and drinks, all

446
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.599
getting in their cars and then you
know, a terrible, terrible accident happens.

447
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:31.920
I think I think Mangold handles this
moment expertly because yeah, these guys,

448
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.039
it's reckless op obviously, you know, he gets sideswiped. They're just

449
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.440
having fun. They're they're you know, they're they're goofing off. You know,

450
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.079
they flash a what is it a
steering wheel lock and he yeah,

451
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.319
like a club, yeah, the
club. Yeah, but it's like all

452
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.440
black. And the thing is when
you when you see it for a second,

453
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:59.039
you know, it looks like a
sniper gun type. You first see

454
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.680
this movie like that's a gun,
but now you look out, you're like,

455
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.720
oh, yeah it is. Yeah. But I mean talk about the

456
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.440
movie opening just with like an electrifying
moment though it's a great like I mean,

457
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.319
and it comes out of nowhere and
it's it's a very like tense scene.

458
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.839
I liked the way he directs it. Yeah, shame on me.

459
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.880
We we just glazed over Michael Rappaport. We came back to him. We

460
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:29.119
did the same thing with the Janine
Garoffalo playing deputy Deputy Cindy. Yeah,

461
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.559
I love her in this movie.
Because we're so used to her comedic timing,

462
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.359
we're so used to her comedic roles. Yeah, and there is not

463
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:43.720
a single stitch of that in this
movie. Uh, she's playing the deputy,

464
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.839
Yeah, just still in his deputy
doesn't belong in the town. You

465
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:53.839
know, probably got sick of the
city of the seeing the death and stuff

466
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:59.519
like that, and figured, hey, this quiet, quiet town where not

467
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.160
a lot of things go wrong.
And then she starts to realize, oh

468
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.159
oh, this is kind of like
the you know, the home base of

469
00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:12.880
the crime spree. So she wants
out of the movie basically pretty quick.

470
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.280
Yeah. I mean you you you
show up in Garrison, you figure you've

471
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.880
got a pretty easy job, but
then you find out you can't even do

472
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:21.840
that. You can't even do the
easy job. You know, she's trying.

473
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.800
She's a bust bust the speeding,
the speeders, and it's like,

474
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.599
oh, well, you know,
Stalone's like looking at the at the the

475
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.119
radar gun, going oh yeah,
that's that's donlin. Oh that's easy.

476
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.519
The whole town is like that.
No matter what, dude, they're doing

477
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.320
some thronging. It's okay, it's
it's them, but they're not supposed it's

478
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:45.880
okay, it's them. There's a
lot then, and because Freddie has now

479
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:51.559
basically been doing that, he's he's
like, they're they're using me. Once

480
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.960
he realizes I think that he's the
one that's being used, is when he

481
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:59.440
starts to kind of turn around.
Yeah, yeah, well let's turn this

482
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.679
around, right, Let's let's talk
a little bit. Uh, you got

483
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:05.920
some you got a little bit of
insight on this, on this movie?

484
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.559
What what do you what can you
tell me? Yeah? So, like

485
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.039
I said, with the thing with
you know, Travolta, obviously he wanted

486
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.760
him and he wanted you to do
it for free. So Travolta said no.

487
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.800
Now, the ending shot of the
movie, the climactic battle, Mangol

488
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.119
shot that whole thing in Sloma.
As you see, he never did a

489
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:30.519
cut of it in real time.
Weinstein decided that that slowed the movie down

490
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:35.639
too much, even though it's the
end of the film, and try and

491
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.039
wanted, you know, the real
time, We're like, we didn't,

492
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.320
we didn't do it. And he
was trying to find a way to speed

493
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:44.920
up the film to make it look
as if it was real time. And

494
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.519
then they found out and he couldn't
do it, but they were doing some

495
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:54.320
reshoots and Mangol gets called from somebody
from Merrimax saying, Harvey has a scene

496
00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.440
that he'd like you to read.
The scene is a feel good scene at

497
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.159
the end of the movie where DeNiro
goes up to stallone and he gives him

498
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:09.800
an NYPD badge. Are you kidding
me? Mangold was like, no way,

499
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:15.119
no way. He hung up.
He called de Niro and he's like,

500
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:15.880
he wants the scene. He goes, I don't want to do it,

501
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:21.679
And once de Niro said that he
wouldn't do it was never brought up

502
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.360
again. It's just like, just
like that. He was like once Niro

503
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.199
said, well, I won't do
it, because he was like, you're

504
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.960
you're gonna do it, and he
thought he was gonna have do it.

505
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.599
But since DeNiro said no, they
didn't actually have to do it. Oh,

506
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.679
that would have really hurt the movie. Could you imagine how awful that

507
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:44.039
wonderful world of Disney ending would have
made this movie? And because I feel

508
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:49.960
like, okay, so everything that
that wine scene is wanting to convey,

509
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:55.920
Mangold does convey because it's just that
look, that simple look that DeNiro gives

510
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.719
stallone when he when he when he
when he brings a when he brings Babbage

511
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:06.960
in like a almost like a hey, you did it. You know you're

512
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.800
you're yeah, you're a cop,
you know, because that's the whole thing.

513
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.800
Like he when he shows up in
in in Garrison, you know,

514
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:15.920
he's like, oh, you're kind
of like the sheriff of Copland and you

515
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:22.360
know he has that. He has
that. Again, the cops like Kitel

516
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:27.039
and Robert Patrick, even even ray
Leota, they're all dismissive of Stallone's character.

517
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.360
Yea um, but you know you'd
think like he'd get a little bit

518
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.920
of respect from from de Niro and
even Demiro's a little dismissive because he's like,

519
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.480
you may be law enforcement, but
you're not a cop. You know.

520
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.440
It's like everyone has it's like they
almost like they're going out of their

521
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:46.880
way to disrespect him. Yeah except
Figs, well yeah Figs again, Figs.

522
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.679
I feel like Figsy. He does
it, but he does it in

523
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.880
that the you're my little brother.
Saw him allowed to pick on you kind

524
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:59.440
of a way because he talked like
he'll you know, he's he's with him.

525
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:00.480
He sides with him, like you
know, like doesn't doesn't that make

526
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.400
you angry? And doesn't doesn't that
bother you? You know, he has

527
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.960
those moments, but he also sometimes
he's talking down to him, like the

528
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:12.119
the whole you know, and and
again it's it's to like teach him a

529
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.360
lesson, it's to to help him
understand things. Yeah, you know,

530
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.679
he like he talks about the uh, the you know, the the going

531
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.519
diagonal. Great great moment you know
between their their characters where you know,

532
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.719
he's like, you don't you know, what do you what do you do?

533
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.880
He's like, yeah, you hit
the lights and the sirens and and

534
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:31.400
you run the red lights. But
that's not the fastest way to get across

535
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.159
town. You got a good diagonal, you know, you turn when you

536
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.719
get a red light, you turn, you know. And yeah, because

537
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.480
Stallone's character doesn't understand that what he's
talking about politics, he's talking about how

538
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.920
to get ahead, how to how
to get around things. You know.

539
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.239
Love that moment for him. Yeah, yeah, so I know, Uh,

540
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.599
I know, Garrison obviously is not
a real town in New Jersey.

541
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:58.079
You know, it's made up.
Uh. One thing I found out,

542
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:02.239
Brad I thought was kind of cool. A lot of this movie is influenced

543
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.599
by mangolds upbringing. He actually grew
up in a town basically, he grew

544
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.320
up in Copland, Copland where you
know, it was a town where a

545
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.719
lot of cops lived and it was
kind of a safe known as a safe

546
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.159
place, and everyone knew everyone.
And you know, so a lot of

547
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.760
a lot of his writing comes from
just where he grew up in h this

548
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:29.679
place. Yeah, and I like
that he was the writer director of this

549
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:35.639
too, and just right away we
saw that this guy. It almost feels

550
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:40.000
like with with Mangold, he he
goes with the times, He moves with

551
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.400
the times. It doesn't matter what
genre he wants to dip into, because

552
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:51.920
this Copland has a real seventies Scorsesey
grit to it. Yeah, but we

553
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.119
also know he can do and we'll
get to the filmography here, you know,

554
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.760
we'll take a break here in a
little bit, we'll get into filmography.

555
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.440
But we know that he can do
the big budget, the action movie,

556
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.239
he can do the superhero movie,
he can do the rom com.

557
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.679
Like do you feel like when you're
watching a James Mangold movie, do you

558
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.960
feel like, oh this is this
is Mangold. I never really know where

559
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.079
he's going next I see a movie, whether it's like, hey this this

560
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.639
big name actor is going to be
in this project, and even if I

561
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.400
have a doubt or I'm like I'm
I'm not sold. The second they say

562
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.159
James Mangold writing and directing, I'm
in. Well, let's take a quick

563
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.440
break and we come back. We're
going to talk about the filmography of James

564
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579
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over there. Well, we're back,

580
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.280
and we're talking about director James Mangold
and his filmography, you know, And

581
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.960
I'll briefly, I'll give you like
a couple couple footnotes in the world of

582
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:53.679
James Mangold. I can tell you
that it was nineteen eighty five. Is

583
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.280
like when he kind of comes on
the scene. He secures a deal with

584
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.360
Disney too, you know, a
writer director deal with Disney. He co

585
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.840
wrote Oliver and Company. Oh,
I never would have I never would have

586
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.159
suspected that, never would have.
Um. Yeah, after that, a

587
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.000
couple of years later, he's at
Columbia University's Film School. He's working,

588
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:21.800
he's studying, I should say,
under famous director. We have yet to

589
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:27.920
talk about one, milosch Foreman.
Oh, how about that. Yeah,

590
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.840
and you know you mentioned Heavy his
directory. W Well, it's foreman who

591
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:37.159
helps him develop the scripts for Heavy
and Copland. So how about that.

592
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:46.400
Let's let's talk briefly about uh,
some of some of his films, Brad,

593
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:52.079
because these are just you know,
like like we said in the beginning,

594
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.480
we've we've kind of followed his career
as movies have come out. So

595
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.159
let's let's spend a little bit time
with mister Mangold. Uh. Here's what

596
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.159
I'll say for just for our listeners, because Brad, you and I have

597
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:12.599
some homework to do. His directorial
debut a film called Heavy, which actually

598
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.320
has a couple names in it.
I want to mention real quickly. So

599
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:23.000
um, Heavy is uh and again
just giving you a quick synopsis, the

600
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:30.039
life of an overweight, unhappy cook
is changed after a kind, beautiful college

601
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.920
dropout comes to work as a waitress
at the at this little roadside restaurant that

602
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:42.360
he works at. So who a
Taylor Vince another that guy we're gonna we're

603
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:47.719
gonna talk about him a couple of
films later. But liv Tyler in in

604
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.519
this movie, Shelley Winters, Brad, who we have we've talked about once

605
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:59.039
or twice, and and and Debbie
Harry. Now here's here's something crazy Heavy.

606
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.639
I I gotta wonder is Heavy connected
to Copland? Are they in the

607
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:06.400
same universe? Because we talked about
Debbie Harry playing a character named Dolores,

608
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.199
Right, their characters Dolores in the
movie Heavy, Debbie Harry plays a character

609
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.639
named Dolores. Well, we're gonna
have to find out. We're gonna have

610
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.239
to find Heavy and see it another
another that guy, one of our favorites,

611
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:28.280
David Patrick Kelly from The From the
Cream, Dreamscape Commando. Yeah,

612
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.440
this is so this movie. I
mean, you got some you got some

613
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.360
reputable people in it. It sounds
it sounds pretty cool. And you figure

614
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.960
if Milosh Foreman is helping you put
this together, gotta be a good movie,

615
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:45.000
right Yeah. Yeah, that was
nineteen ninety five. We've been talking

616
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.239
about Copland, which comes out in
ninety seven, and two years later he

617
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:57.000
goes on to direct a not an
unknown but uh still new in Hollywood.

618
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:02.840
M Angela Jolie. Yeah, Yeah, Angelina Jolie Yeah. And girl interrupted

619
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:09.000
your thoughts on girl interrupted, brad
Um. I mean, it's a it's

620
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:15.159
a decent movie. It's it's a
lot of good acting scenes. Um.

621
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.840
I've seen a lot of actresses do
these scenes, you know, and in

622
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.679
classes and stuff, a lot of
girl interrupted scenes. Um. But it's

623
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.679
that type of film that if you're
into it. I mean I remember seeing

624
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.159
it once and it was it was
okay. I think I expected a lot

625
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.079
more because I'd like to cop lend
so much because I knew this is the

626
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:37.639
next movie. And I was like, that's what you give me. But

627
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.519
he, you know, like I
said, he turned left. Yeah he's

628
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.039
zigzact. He did what he says, you know, but he got so

629
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:51.880
he did. Yeah, all right, so two thousand and one you get

630
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.199
hat and Lee Uphold did you ever
say this? I did? Uh?

631
00:45:55.960 --> 00:46:00.039
You know, he writes, you
know, this is again. He's on.

632
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:01.360
He's on, he's on a he's
on a run here of of of

633
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:08.280
writing and directing. His first time
working with h Hugh jack Jackman. Yeah,

634
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:14.199
Hugh Jackman certainly won't be his last
time when working not my cup of

635
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.000
tea, per se. But here's
the weird. If you like romantic comedies,

636
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.880
you'll you'll enjoy that film. You'll
enjoy Okay, Yeah that's fair because

637
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.360
like you know, I'm not you
know, I'm not usually rushing out to

638
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:28.920
see every rom com Yeah, but
uh, you know it's for you know,

639
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.559
you get what you get what you
pay for. Um, here's the

640
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.480
interesting thing, Brad we he pulls
us in with Copland, where like,

641
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.519
this guy is amazing. I'm seeing
everything he's gonna do. And he follows

642
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:44.280
copling up with a girl interrupted and
Kate and Leopold, you and I both

643
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.239
respect the efforts. Oh yeah,
but we're not, at least for me

644
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.639
at this point, I'm not like
this guy is one of the best directors.

645
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.320
He's one of my favorite directors.
Am I am I alone in that

646
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.400
assessment or where you kind of like
I think you know, he knew so

647
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.599
he knew how to do the crime
thriller. He got it done, I

648
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.719
think, and he wanted to see
what else he could do, and he

649
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:14.960
dove into um directing women, which
as a man can sometimes be really difficult

650
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:21.400
to really show everything. Then he
tried romantic comedy and you know, wanted

651
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.599
to see like what he's challenging himself. Okay, well, let's talk about

652
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.079
what he does in two thousand and
three because this is one of my favorite

653
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.719
Uh James Mankold movies. Yeah,
identity Identity, Uh, based loosely based

654
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:44.119
off of the the Agatha Christie short
story. You know, we've seen this

655
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:50.079
done a couple of times. I
never get tired of this, uh this

656
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.320
story. Yeah, you know,
he's got got the rain storm and a

657
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:58.960
you know, a creepy hotel and
once again, really good supporting actors.

658
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.519
And yeah, it's it's it's a
good it's a good thriller. Let's let's

659
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:06.599
talk about a little bit. You
said, you said great supporting actors.

660
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.800
Let's just talk a little bit about
this cast. Because you got John Cusack,

661
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.719
Rayleiota is back with him, Amanda
Pete, that guy John Hawks,

662
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.079
you got Alfred Molina, John C. McKinley, who we love on this

663
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:27.760
podcast. Um, he's fantastic.
Uh. Pruett Taylor Vince who is in

664
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.280
this movie. Uh, he's back
with him. You know, he does

665
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.559
his directory w heavy, he's back
with him. Jake Busey is in this.

666
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.719
Rebecca di Mournet, who had been
kind of out of off the Hollywood

667
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.920
scene for a while. She makes
a comeback of sorts. And this movie,

668
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.360
I feel like this has you know, because you don't know that you're

669
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:52.760
watching the Agatha Christie story until you're
like midway through. Maybe then that's because

670
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:53.320
like, first off, I saw
this at the theater. I was like,

671
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.039
wait is this this is Agatha Christie. I know what's I know what's

672
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:04.199
going on here, but his his
big twist at the end, the shock

673
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.960
at the end when you find out
who these people are. I don't know

674
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.280
if I should say it because like
someone someone, I won't if someone's out

675
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.000
there like, what what's identity?
Um? Yeah, because it's on it's

676
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.199
playing on Max right now. It's
streaming on Max. Uh. You know,

677
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:20.960
if you don't have a physical copy
of it, you want to check

678
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.800
it out, go go to HBO, Max or Max whatever they're calling it

679
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.679
now. Um, you gotta you
gotta watch this. This is a a

680
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:32.360
nail biting thriller, right Brad.
Oh yeah, And let's just talk about

681
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.840
his next film, which basically made
Johnny Cash cool again. And that's of

682
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.719
course walk the line. Oh man, Uh, you kind of mentioned he's

683
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.599
he's uh, he's doing this thing
where he's he's making he's creating strong female

684
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:53.280
roles, you know, with girl
interrupted and Katon, Leopold Reese Witherspoon is

685
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.960
just you know, this is like
what his This is the second time he

686
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.400
he directs uh an actress to Oscar
gold right. Yeah, yeah, he

687
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.079
does um walk the Line. Yeah. I hate to say it makes Johnny

688
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.039
Cash cool again, because Johnny Cash
was never not cool. He's the original

689
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:13.960
Johnny Cash relevant. Uh. He
gave I like that and introduced him to

690
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.360
a new audience. I like that. Okay, I liked that. And

691
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:22.920
now he's doing Now he's doing a
biopic. And I think for me big

692
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:29.480
surprise was, Hey, Joaquin Phoenix
is gonna sing. He's doing all his

693
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.440
own his own singing for this as
is Rhese Witherspoon and I gotta tell you

694
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.280
because I love Brad you know this. Uh, I'm a I'm a big

695
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.159
fan of Johnny Cash. I love
his music. I feel like Joaquin's versions

696
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.719
they're damn good man. Oh yeah, they do it. They both do

697
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.880
really good. This is a This
is a landmark for his his career.

698
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:51.559
This is this is a turning point. This was the major turning point.

699
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:55.000
He was after this, he was
back in the big game. I think

700
00:50:55.360 --> 00:51:00.880
with Walk the Line, he got
what was kind of expected from Copland,

701
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.159
but dude to kind of the poor
reception and you know, not a lot

702
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.639
of people seeing it. Now he's
with the big with the big guys.

703
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:14.159
Now, okay, so you're you're
saying, walk the line. It's fair

704
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.800
to say that this this he's arrived, right he is. He is a

705
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.840
go to director. Yeah, give
the guy whatever he wants for the next

706
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.119
movie. Usually okay, yeah,
well the next movie, Brad. Uh.

707
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.599
Two years later he does a remake
of a famous western. Brad,

708
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.559
you love your westerns. So I
got to ask you, what did you

709
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:39.320
think about Russell Crowe and Christian Bale
in three ten to Humor? It was

710
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:44.840
good. I like this movie a
lot. It's a it's a mean Western,

711
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.199
and I like it. It's got
attitude, it's it's got maybe not

712
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:52.480
the most heroic people, you know. It's got a bad guy that you

713
00:51:52.719 --> 00:52:00.159
love. It's got horse chases.
Uh yeah, it's it's a dark It's

714
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.920
a dark Western that you don't see
you too much anymore. Ben Foster,

715
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:12.119
Ben Foster's amazing in this movie.
Ye Peter Fonda showing up. Yeah,

716
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.599
Peter almost forgot. Peter Fonda was
in it. Altutic is in it too.

717
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.440
I know he's known for a sci
fi work, but he had a

718
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.039
small role in it, but it's
a Yeah, it's a good western Night

719
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:30.079
and Day action comedy. You got
Tom Cruise, you got Cameron Diaz.

720
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:36.000
That right, there should be enough
to say this movie is gonna make one

721
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:42.719
hundred million dollars, right m But
it doesn't know what happened here. I

722
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.639
don't think the casting of those two
people in that role would have been right.

723
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.079
I think it's a good d I
think it's a decent movie with not

724
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:57.280
the right cast. I don't think
that Cruise was right for it, and

725
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.400
I don't think that Cameron Diaz was
for it. I don't know who could

726
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:07.119
have played it, but I think
somebody having more better comedic timing than those

727
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.119
two. And I think another thing. Tom Cruise, at this point in

728
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:15.880
his career is red hot with the
Mission Impossible franchise, So for him to

729
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:22.039
do a comedic you know where he's
trying to clear his name and he's you

730
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.760
know, it's kind of a goofy
spy. I don't think this is the

731
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:29.159
right timing for for Cruise to do
this project. Enough about Night and Day,

732
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.079
we could we could be here night
and Day talking about that one recasting

733
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:35.719
it. But he does. He
does a couple of TV episodes in two

734
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.800
twelve, and then he enters the
superhero genre in a way I don't think

735
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:47.320
anyone expected. Twenty thirteens The Wolverine, He's bus back with you. Jackman

736
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.719
basically says, look, we're gonna
do this, but if we're gonna do

737
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.400
it, we're gonna we're gonna do
it right well, because they tried with

738
00:53:54.800 --> 00:54:00.599
the X Men Origins Wolverine and that
didn't go over very well. So then

739
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:07.119
they bring in James Mangold. Yeah, I gotta be honest, guilty pleasure,

740
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:13.760
I would put X Men Origins Wolverine
in my guilty pleasures like top ten

741
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.400
because at the end of the day, it's an X Men movie with Wolverine,

742
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:21.960
and it's got some great action and
it's got some fun stuff. And

743
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.559
then, yes, it's not there's
so many things that are wrong with it,

744
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.159
but I still like it and I
appreciate it. But that's not his

745
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.440
movie. The Wolverine, though,
it is so much better. The Wolverine

746
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:39.360
is way better because it's uh,
it's almost like, I know, like

747
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:44.639
a separate kind of story. Yeah. Now, one thing I always respected

748
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.519
about it was and I remember you
and I talked about this when Wolverine was

749
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:52.239
coming out, and we were excited
because Brad, I actually remember our phone

750
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:54.280
call because when we decided to do
Mangold, I was like, Oh,

751
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:58.239
we're gonna We're gonna address this.
You remember, like, oh, yeah,

752
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.519
James Mangold is doing the new X
Men movie and I was like yeah,

753
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:06.000
and he's also channeling Outlaw Josie Whales, Like he's using Outlaw Josie Whales

754
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:12.239
as his inspiration for the new Wolverine
movie. And you see that in in

755
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.480
in the Wolverine. I mean you
definitely see it. Uh, it's absolutely

756
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:21.800
Hugh Jackman's uh best at this point. He because he plays Wolverine like nine

757
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:23.519
or ten times. He's about to
play him again in Deadpool three. But

758
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:28.800
this is where Wolverine like he he
he plays him as Logan, right,

759
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:35.079
Yeah, but it's it's amazing,
but it's the next installment. Well hold

760
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.760
on, hold on, hold on. There's one other thing I want to

761
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.159
talk about though with with you know, not to not to turn this into

762
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:44.000
a Wolverine thing, but I love
you know, we've talked about this guy

763
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:50.719
before. Uh here at Yuki Sonata, who is an awesome actor. Um,

764
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:52.440
you know, he had worked with
Tom Cruise before, not that to

765
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.840
get back to Tom Cruise, but
you know, in the Last Samurai,

766
00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:00.599
this guy is just amazing. I
love him, Brad. I know you're

767
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:02.280
not a fan of the John Wick
films, but he was. He was

768
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:07.440
awesome in the in John Wick Chapter
four. I loved him at Scorpion in

769
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.400
the Mortal Kombat movie. He's one
of those guys. He's he's got a

770
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:15.480
big career, but we've only seen
just a taste of it because he's now

771
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.119
he's doing like these these big Hollywood
movies. But yeah, all right,

772
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.800
I'm I'm gonna get off the the
Wolverine uh tangent here just so we can

773
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.639
we can go a couple of years
later. Let's talk to me about Logan,

774
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:34.639
Brad, because the right, yeah, I mean a rated R version

775
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:42.559
of Wolverine and done in this phenomenal
style. It's the movies got styled to

776
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:47.000
it. It's got a oh like
an apocalyptic creepiness to it, like and

777
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:52.519
it's it's rough, man, It's
a rough, hard, dirty movie.

778
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:58.599
You can't have a you can't be
a weakling watching this movie. Well,

779
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:04.599
let's let's talk about the power that
James Mangold is wielding at this point.

780
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:10.000
Okay, yeah, he has directed
people to Oscar Gold. He's worked with

781
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:15.519
some of the biggest names in Hollywood, and you know, with the Wolverine,

782
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:21.760
he makes the superhero genre respectable again. And when they go back and

783
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:22.840
they're like, hey, we want
we want you back, We're gonna do

784
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:28.239
Logan. Basically, I don't know
if there's ever been a situation where they

785
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.159
where a director could say, well, we're gonna do a very hard R

786
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:36.920
rated version. There's gonna be uh, we're dropping the F bomb. We're

787
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:42.719
gonna see the superhero kill people.
We're gonna see we're vulnerabilities that we that

788
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.039
we didn't see before. And uh
yeah, I'm gonna kill the guy too,

789
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:51.639
and and Fox says, okay,
sure, I think you got your

790
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:58.960
Best Adapted Screenplay a nomination for us
didn't. Yeah, this is I don't

791
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.519
know. I wasn't ready for Logan, you know, because yeah, I

792
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.920
just I didn't think that they were
gonna be able to do the things that

793
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.960
they did, like, yeah,
you can't. All right, Uh,

794
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:14.559
let's talk twenty nineteen, Uh Ford
versus Ferrati. He's back with Christian Bale

795
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.320
My father's favorite film. This is
a this is a this is a big

796
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:22.880
Alcozo. I watched them like he
got he guy made him like like I

797
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.559
said, he knows what he likes. Like this guy made a movie for

798
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:30.199
my father. Yeah, I made
a movie for my father. It was

799
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:34.679
weird, but man, what an
awesome movie. I wished I would I

800
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.400
got to see in the theater.
You didn't see this in the theater?

801
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:44.920
Nod because it came out I can't
remember if it was late twenty nineteen and

802
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:50.239
then hit. I never got to
see in the theater because once I eventually

803
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.760
did see it, I said,
looking at the scenes of Mike, man,

804
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:54.239
this would have been great to watch. And yeah, this is this

805
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:59.760
is a release date November fifteenth.
Yeah, I just didn't get around to

806
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:06.480
it. The sound quality in the
theater, Like I told people like,

807
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:08.079
you gotta see this movie, and
they're like, well, you know,

808
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.039
because of a couple of people are
like, well, I don't I'm not

809
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.599
into cars. It doesn't want me
to be. Are you are you into?

810
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.280
And are you into the most impressive
sound quality you've ever heard in a

811
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:22.840
film? Um, you know,
one of my favorite actors in uh in

812
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:27.440
Ford versus Ferrari got John Burnthall playing, yeah, playing playing Leah i Ah

813
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.480
Coca of all people like, yeah, you know you're so used to seeing

814
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:31.880
him play tough guys. And then
it's like, wait, he's Lehiah Coca.

815
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:37.480
Really Yeah? Ford Versus Ferrari it's
a very um that's kind of now.

816
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:43.239
I don't know anybody that didn't like
that movie. It's one of those

817
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:47.119
just uh, I call him a
satisfaction Saturday type of movie. It's like

818
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:52.280
it's movie night and you want to
be completely satisfied with a movie and no

819
00:59:53.480 --> 01:00:00.039
no aggravation with it, and Versus
Ferrari goes into that charac category. You

820
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.599
know, I know you and I
are physical media snobs. I have walked

821
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.960
by Ford Versus Ferrari. I don't
own this one. And there's a reason

822
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:12.559
I've walked by it. That the
four K Blu Ray you can buy it

823
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:16.440
at best Buy for like twelve ninety
nine or fourteen movies at best Buy still

824
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:21.920
depending on depending on the day.
You know. Yeah, sometimes they put

825
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.719
a couple out, but I missed
the boat like this. When this first

826
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:29.960
hit there hit at Street Date,
they had this incredible I mean, it

827
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:34.079
was just a gorgeous looking steel book, and it was loaded with extras.

828
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.039
It was like thirty bucks. I
was like, I'll get it next week

829
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.599
when it's on sale, and then
it's sold out everywhere. You couldn't get

830
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:45.280
it online. I want it,
Brad jack eBay. There's always somebody selling

831
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:47.440
it, all right, anyone,
if you're listening, you got a copy,

832
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:52.880
send us an email, we'll talk. Well, we'll wheel endeal.

833
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:59.159
Remember that Phrasier episode where somebody calling
and had something that you wanted. I'm

834
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:07.000
just telling you. There you go. Uh bread quite an impressive library of

835
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:12.039
films for this guy. Oh yeah, you know we've seen everything besides like

836
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.360
what looking back? So you and
that's heavy? Is anyone we didn't see?

837
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.400
Yeah? Yeah, so we haven't
seen eleven for twelve. That's obviously

838
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:27.400
going to see his most recent film. I've I've already got my tickets.

839
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.639
Uh. I'm going with a couple
of a couple of the con men,

840
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:35.159
David Burns and Wayne Whited. Yeah, we've got our tickets. I know,

841
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:38.079
I gotta believe. I know Dayton
Johnson are our good buddy at Docum

842
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.960
Base seventy seven. I know he's
a big indie fan. I'm sure he's

843
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.599
got his tickets already, are you
you're gonna go. You gotta get to

844
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.679
see this one in the theater.
Bread I'm gonna find a way. You're

845
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:51.159
gonna find a way. Yeah,
I will find a way. And I

846
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.880
think the reason that I'm comfortable with
him is because, yeah, he said,

847
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:59.639
the couple of films that he did
of the Wolverine character were really great.

848
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.599
But the other movies, you know, the Singer films and stuff like

849
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:08.079
that, those are still really good
movies. So you're not like, oh,

850
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:15.360
this was needed, this huge change. You're finding someone to adapt previous

851
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.639
work and put a spin on it, to make it their own. So

852
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.079
let's see what he does with Indiana
Jones. He, like I said,

853
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:27.079
he knows, he knows action,
he knows comedy, he knows how to

854
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:31.320
direct great stars, and he knows
how to give them great dialogue. So

855
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:37.519
I'm I'm excited for it. You've
convinced me more because I'll be honest.

856
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:42.920
The first time I read the story
that Spielberg was going to produce and not

857
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:47.800
directed, we all panicked. I
panicked, and then they said mangold,

858
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:51.440
and I was like, I took
a breath. I was like, oh,

859
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.199
I say, I can handle that. I can handle that. I

860
01:02:54.400 --> 01:03:00.679
in my brain I channeled UH eighty
seven's RoboCop Informer. Would you like to

861
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:02.800
know more that's I need? It's
like, okay, James Bengeld, I

862
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:07.400
okay, now, yeah, that
guy could do. Now I'm I'm sitting

863
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:12.599
back down and let's let's talk.
Let's talk about it. So the trailers.

864
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.599
Look, I know, I know
some people are like you know with

865
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:19.719
some of the CGI, but come
on, it looks like just like him

866
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:24.119
from thirty years ago. So I
can't wait, you know. But then

867
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:30.199
then what does he have after that? Okay? So let's I think,

868
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:31.960
because he's got a handful of things
that he's working on. But let's talk

869
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.159
about the Big Three? Okay,
Okay, So first off, it's already

870
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.519
been announced this new uh, this
new gods and Gods and monsters thing that's

871
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:45.079
happening with DC, the new all
the DC movies. Okay, Um,

872
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:47.559
he has been tapped, he's he's
already he's I guess he's come out and

873
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.280
said, hey, he's doing swamp
thing. Okay, So I I think

874
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:59.119
I love the classic you know you
and like, just like we were talking,

875
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:02.400
we like it, but he might
give us something kind of cool too.

876
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:06.239
I love the fact that James Gunn
he's looking at directors like like James

877
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:13.639
Mangold for these projects, so swamp
Thing definitely bring it on. He also

878
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:19.920
this past Star Wars celebration, big
announcement, he talks about he's doing a

879
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:25.840
Star Wars movie, Star Wars Dawn
of the Jedi. I'm excited to see

880
01:04:26.119 --> 01:04:29.639
what he's gonna do with his Star
Wars movie. Listen to this quote.

881
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:32.119
Okay, is this is? This
is Mangold talking, he says, and

882
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:36.400
I quote, well, I've talked
to Lucasfilm before and even worked a bit

883
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:42.079
before on other projects. When I
mentioned to Kathy that I had an idea

884
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:46.199
about going backward, really far backward, I was surprised that it excited her

885
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:51.519
and the other wonderful people she works
with at Lucasfilm. For me, it's

886
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:55.760
about I want to be part of
the saga, but I also don't want

887
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.760
to be holding so much lore in
the air that you can hardly tell a

888
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.239
story. And what I really wanted
to do what I told her, was

889
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:06.079
just can we make a kind of
ten Commandments of the Force, you know,

890
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.559
a kind of origin story of how
the Force came to be known,

891
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:15.360
understood, wielded, and harnessed.
Brad, the fact that he mentions ten

892
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:19.960
commandments and the same breath as the
Force. I'm there, I'm there,

893
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.920
Opening Night, Give me, give
me his movie. Yeah, I mean,

894
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:30.119
it's definitely one of the more interesting
out of all the Star Wars scripts

895
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:34.119
that they've talked about of side projects
doing, that's the most interesting one I've

896
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:38.480
heard of. Yeah. But yeah, absolutely, And it seems like it

897
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:43.239
could just stand alone, like how
a Logan or the Wolverine does. I

898
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.039
like that it could just stand alone
on itself. It doesn't have to like

899
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:48.320
he said, he goes, I
don't need to connect the dots that much.

900
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:53.239
You know, I'm just I'm starting
with everything. Yeah, forget the

901
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:56.559
dots. When you're going twenty five
thousand. You know what he's doing.

902
01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:01.679
He's doing diagonal. He's going diagonal. He's turning right at the red light.

903
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.480
Yeah, yeah, I love it. Uh, Brad, You've got

904
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:08.920
to be excited for his other big
project that's been announced. I think this

905
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:12.000
I think before we get his Star
Wars movie and a Swamping movie, I

906
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:16.079
think this one's next. Uh.
Talking about his work with Elle Fanning,

907
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:25.239
Timothy Shalomy, and Benedict Cumberbatch.
The film is called a Complete Unknown and

908
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:30.440
it is a Bob Dylan biopick.
He's going back to the biopics. So

909
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:34.800
you know, I could see it. I could see this new watch.

910
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:40.559
When this movie comes out, everybody
will start talk listening to Bob Dylan.

911
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.559
I will too. I'm guilty of
it. I started listening to Johnny Cash

912
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:45.920
from Walking the line came out,
you do it? Do you think we

913
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:50.719
get Shalomay doing his own singing?
Yeah? I feel like Bob Dylan has

914
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:57.920
that that distinct voice where anyone can
do their their their impression. So I

915
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:00.199
feel like Shaalomay, being being an
actor actor, probably doesn't like to say,

916
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.679
hey, I'll do my own singing. Hopefully he says it, but

917
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.320
he's not gonna do a poor imitation. He's gonna just he'll bring his own

918
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:10.519
thing to it. That's what I'm
hoping for. Yeah, right, Mangold

919
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.679
knows what he's doing. He made
sure he knows what he's doing. Back

920
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.039
to Copland, Let's let's let's wrap
it up here with Copland. Brad,

921
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:21.119
where are you going with your recommendation
on this one? Oh all the way,

922
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:28.079
Um, this is a uh watch
stream and try to purchase if you

923
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:30.559
can. But I'm gonna look for
that director's cut. Well listen, well,

924
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:35.199
Brad is looking for the elusive director's
cut, and you don't want to

925
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:41.159
wait for that. It is currently
streaming on Max. A lot of a

926
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:44.199
lot of Mangold's work is I believe
because I watched Identity, I own a

927
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:46.639
copy of Identity, just like,
Oh hey, Identity's on there, walk

928
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:50.239
the lines the lines on that.
Unfortunately Forward Versus Ferrari isn't on there.

929
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:56.000
No, But if you I'm with
Brad, this is a this is a

930
01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:00.480
must watch. It is a must
own if you can find a good quality

931
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:04.559
copy on physical media that you like, and if if you if you enjoy

932
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:08.719
James Mangol, if you want to
get in the mood for for Indiana Jones

933
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:13.760
and the Dial of Destiny, go
to Max and celebrate his catalog, because

934
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.359
you know, the guy has not
made a bad movie. I think that's

935
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:19.359
very No, not at all.
Well, Jeff, what do we got

936
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:23.560
coming up next week? We got
a lot going on here. Um,

937
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:30.680
are good buddies Scott and Dave and
Wayne now in the mix. They're doing

938
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.239
they're doing this recap. Brad.
I know you're I know you're a Star

939
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:35.119
Trek fan, but maybe you're a
casual more of a casual fan. But

940
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:40.199
Strange New Worlds on Paramount Plus,
it's, uh, they're in their second

941
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:45.720
season. Strange New Worlds is like
classic sixty six Shattner Star Trek. It's

942
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:49.800
awesome, it's a great writing.
And these guys, uh, they're doing

943
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:54.840
a recap Strange New Wednesdays they're calling
it. They're just, yeah, they're

944
01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:58.239
doing a fun little recap. So
it's you know, you can listen to

945
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:02.279
what their their thoughts and opinions are
right before you watch the new episode on

946
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:08.520
Thursday. But the Strange New Wednesdays
currently happening out there, Brad. I'm

947
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:15.680
excited to say next week our latest
and greatest limited series is starting up and

948
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:20.279
we've got a great lineup of a
special guest coming to talk about these films

949
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:27.039
with us. So nineteen seventy six
kicks off next next week on a film

950
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:30.479
by But yeah, we got we
got some fun stuff happened all right until

951
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:43.159
next time. I'm a little girl
and that set all down in a little

952
01:09:43.640 --> 01:10:03.479
h We got married. We never
far in little. We got to work

953
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.479
on a better tag, a better
sendoff, like we'd always need that.

954
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.079
Dave Burns has like that, you
know, until our film will start rolling

955
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.920
again. How you need it,
You need a good you need you need

956
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:16.600
the sendoff. We need to give
you a sendoff somehow, man like.

957
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:18.760
You need to work. You need
to come up with something, and you

958
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.159
should close out the shows. I
think all work on that.