John G Avildsen - 8 Seconds

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What do you think about Garth Brooks? Do you got a you got a

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favorite Garth Brooks song? I mean, you know, I grew up military

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kid in the nineties. Of course
I love Garth Brooks. I remember being

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a kid in Oklahoma. I think
we're at a Tradis Air Force base,

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listening to friends in low places and
my personal favorite my karaoke you go to

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rodeo Rodeo. Rodeo is your go
to? Oh hell yeah, I love

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you know. I love that you're
talking about Oklahoma. I love that you're

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talking about Rodeo. Rodeo is my
favorite Garth Brooks song. You know.

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With that in mind, let's let's
talk about a film by John g.

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Alvaltson his nineteen ninety four underrated rodeo
drama eight Seconds. Hello everybody, I'm

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Jeff Johnson and I'm Andrew Blakely,
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little as three dollars a month. Andrew,

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we have we've talked about John g
Avilson's films before this time we're talking

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about we're talking about eight seconds.
A lot of people don't know about eight

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seconds. What can you tell us
about it? So this movie chronicles the

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life of Lane Frost, the nineteen
eighty seven PRCA bull Righting World Championship,

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his marriage, his friendship, a
tough heaterman who's also a three time world

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champion, and Cody Lambert. Yeah, that's in a nutshell. This is

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this is one of those biopicks that
I think a lot of people missed out

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on, And maybe it's just because
it was nineteen ninety four and we weren't

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doing biopicks that much. But we
got to talk about this cast, and

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we absolutely have to start with Luke
Perry, who's playing Lane Frost, who

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becomes Lane Frost in this film.
Yeah, I was blown away. I'll

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be honest. I hadn't seen this
one before. It kind of flew under

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the radar for me. It came
out when I was just young enough.

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I think I wasn't really in the
mood for a biopic. But you know,

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I saw in the box with Luke
Perry. Really is that that's what

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we're doing here? That's yeah,
we're okay, I guess and uh,

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you know, really quickly, it's
like you forget that this is Luke Perry

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at all, Like this this is
Lane Frost on the screen. He really

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becomes that good old boy, just
honest, down home, hard working,

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bull riding country boy. And he
was amazing. I found myself mesmerized.

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Yeah, this is a time when
everyone knows Luke Perry as Dylan McKay.

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He's you know, Beverly Hills nine
to two one. Oh, it's a

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smash success on Fox, and here
he is breaking into movies. And we're

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going to talk a little bit about
his his commitment to this film specifically,

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but before we before we talk Luke
Perry, we got to talk about the

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real Lane Frost, you know,
Oklahoma native Frost. As you said in

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your synopsis, he was the nineteen
eighty seven p r C A world champion.

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That's that's professional rodeo cowboys. For
all of our our non bull riding

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friends, he was the only right
more of those more more than not right

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now. He was the only rider
to ever score a qualified ride on the

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bull named the infamous bull named Red
Rock. And in nineteen eighty nine,

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he sustained a fatal writing injury when
the bull taking care of business through him,

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then hit him with his right horn, breaking two ribs which pierced his

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heart. He was pronounced dead at
the local hospital shortly after. Sadly,

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Andrew, he is the youngest cowboy
in the National Radio Hall of Fame,

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and his legacy lives on today at
Lane Frost dot com, where you can

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get everything from hats and shirts to
sunglasses in Cologne. And I just got

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to say, sadly, you cannot
buy Lane Frost underwear or get a Lane

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Frost lunchbox, you know, because
I immediately went I went looking for him,

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because that's kind of a joke in
the in the film, they talk

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about the underwear in the lunchboxes.
Soa but Luke, you know, back

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to Luke Perry. So he goes
to Hall of Fame bullriter Gary Lafu's school

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to learn how to ride, and
Leafew, who is a legendary pro bull

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rider, is quoted as saying,
I've had eighteen world champions come through my

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school, and Luke was probably one
of the best students. A lot of

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guys want to come ride bulls,
but they never put in the work.

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He showed up every day, he
did the work, He did everything I

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told him. And keep in mind
he's doing this for the better part of

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a year. Yeah, and it's
it's wild too because I think, you

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know, again, he has this
reputation as a pretty boy, so I

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think some of it's coming into it
and like, you know, wanting to

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prove himself. But also the more
I kind of read both he and Stephen

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Baldwin, who I'm sure we'll talk
about later, like really did put in

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a lot of work and seemed to
really appreciate not just the story and the

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acting, but the culture of the
cowboys and really wanting to get into it.

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And I think that really comes through. Like I said, I at

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no point did I question that this
was a good old Oklahoma boy, And

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I was watching Luke Perry the whole
time. But it also really paid off

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in some of the scenes where he's
writing and it's really Luke Perry writing a

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bull which is it's really Luke Perry. That's amazing. He's insane. Just

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the insurance on this film alone.
Yeah, to put your actor in that,

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in such a dangerous position, but
it really pays off for some of

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these shots. They're amazing. Yeah, I read, I read, I

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should say. I watched an interview
with Avidson talking about eight Seconds, and

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the reporter asked a question, how
are you okay with your stars writing these

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things, being on these bulls?
Like, what aren't you? Aren't you

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terrified? He said, Well,
this guy was. He was learning how

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to do this for the better part
of a year before I even showed up.

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I saw what he could do.
I had total confidence in him,

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and and it just makes the movie
better. Yeah, it really does.

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And to your point, the cinematography, you know, I'm getting way ahead

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here, but this blows my mind. His DP most of the time would

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not get into the shoot would not
get into the corrals. A lot of

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times you're what you're seeing, like
those amazing shots that put you right there

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in the action, like right next
to the bull. The rodeo clowns are

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holding cameras and and doing doing some
camera work here. I think, how

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else do you get those shots?
There's a short list of people that are

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insane enough to do that, you
know. Yeah, he's talking to his

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assistant director. He's like, yeah, get in there. He's like,

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I'm not going in there. I
tried myself up. I was in my

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early twenties. I tried to psych
myself up for the better part of a

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year to try to go ride one
of the like starter bulls at one of

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the local rodeos in southern Ohio,
and I still never got around to do

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it. Man, that that shit
is terrifying. So yeah, I had

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a buddy try to taught me into
doing rodeo poker. Have you do?

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You know what that is? No? You They set up a card table

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and the middle and you're playing poker
and then they just randomly let the bull

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out. Last man sitting at the
table wins. When's the pot? Sorry?

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Oh man, I'm good. I'm
doing it you'd ask me maybe twelve

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years ago maybe yeah, maybe my
twenties maybe, but no, not today.

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Now. Luke Perry is doing a
sensational job here. I completely forgot

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he was Dylan McKay. Yeah,
like you were saying, And it's sad,

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like, you know, we because
we lost him just a few years

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ago. But watching this from nineteen
ninety four, I almost I feel like

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we missed out on a bigger career
for Luke Perry. What do you think.

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I don't know all the props I'm
given him for both the physical work

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and then sort of becoming a character. I do feel like there were some

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of the more emotional scenes later in
the movie that were a little flat.

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Yeah, okay, I don't know
that he had that leading man energy for

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those It felt a little soap opera
eat at times. But then again that

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could have been on the direction or
the score. You know, there's so

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many little little things that go into
those scenes, but it's hard to not

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pull back a little bit when it's
supposed to be this draumatic moment. You're

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like, okay, okay, Well, so the scenes you're talking about,

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you know, in most of them
he's working opposite Cynthia Geary, she plays

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Kelly Frost. Here's the thing about
the role, so Robin Wright, it

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was offered to Robin Wright, she
turns it down, and with all respect

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to Mss Geary, I'm already seeing
a better film, you know, Princess

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Buttercutt. This is like a couple
of years after, you know, several

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years after Princess Bride. You know, a young Robin Wright at this time.

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She's proven time and time again she
can carry she can carry heavy scenes,

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she can carry happy scenes like she's
she's got leading woman energy. You

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know. Yeah, I just I
don't know about Cynthia Geary though. I

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mean, you know, she she
does this and then she goes on to

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Northern Exposure, the television show,
and then after that's I guess it's a

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couple of TV movies here and there. I don't know. I just I

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don't know that we have the right
the right actress in this film. I

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think you're right. It created some
chemistry issues between her and Luke Perry,

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and it just never I never cared
a whole lot. And there's a lot

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to care about, you know,
from the story standpoint, you could definitely

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get invested and I just I found
it difficult to connect to her, and

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I think that, yeah, that
really did drag the movie down. It

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slowed it down a little bit.
Yeah, there's some there's you know,

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I know, there's some themes that
we want to discuss later, you know,

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and some some of it's going to
involve her character. But yeah,

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I just I don't know. I
just don't know that. You're right,

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the chemistry wasn't there. But I'll
tell you where the chemistry is fantastic.

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It's with Stephen Baldwin. Us he's
playing tough Heataman. Yeah. That blew

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my mind. Man. I when
when this the movie started rolling and Stephen

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Baldwin comes on the screen, I'm
like, oh no, oh, no,

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Like I is, I would not
ever be excited to hear The only

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Baldwin I want to see in a
movie is Alec And but occasionally, you

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know, occasionally Stephen pulls one out
and this, honestly, he did really

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good. This is really I think
this is my favorite Stephen Baldwin performance.

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Yeah. Yeah, so you know
he's playing Okay, so he's playing a

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real cowboy, tough Heataman. Heataman
was a close friend of Lane Frost,

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who also won the p RCA World
Championship. He wins it three times.

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He named his first son, Lane, and uh, surprisingly he's Stephen baldwin

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stunt double in the movie. Imagine. Imagine you're Stephen Baldwin playing a guy

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and that guy is also playing your
stunt double. That's just wild to me.

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That that's not I think part of
it too. And this was something

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that I thought about several times watching
the movie. Because Lane passed away in

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eighty nine. This movie came out
in ninety four, so there's not a

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huge gap you think about it,
especially like pre production stuff. It's only

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a couple of years after his passing. Oh yeah, that this the ball

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is getting rolling on this. And
there are several scenes in here that do

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not make Tough hut Men out to
be the nicest of dudes. Lane's parents.

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There's some issues. Well we'll talk
about that a little bit later on,

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But like I was thinking about that, like, man, they're making

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this movie about these people and kind
of making them look like assholes in real

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time, Like these people are still
doing this, yeah, I mean going

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through this loss, you know,
think about it. Yeah, Tough Tough

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is is sitting there, he's on
set he's watching the cameras roll imagine you're

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seeing you. Imagine, imagine you're
him, You're seeing this guy, this

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actor to play you and kind of
act like a dick in a lot of

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scenes. Even though we love tough
in this movie. Yeah, I mean,

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I think that's very true to the
thing, and that's kind of what

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the character is talking about. It
is like, that's what being a cowboy

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is. It's being tough, it's
being drunk, it's being obnoxious, and

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you know, so he leans into
it, and I think that maybe that's

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why Steven can pull it off.
Maybe that's you know, because he's got

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kind of that that arrogance that mm
hmm. I can't think of a better

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word than douchiness about him. That
really leans into the character where it's you

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know, as the movie progresses and
you start to see his heart and you

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start to see that he's a good
dude, yeah, and he's learning and

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growing, but it starts from a
really douchey place. My only hope is

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that Baldwin maybe goes off off off
set and it's like, hey man,

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uh, I kind of feel like
we're we could we could be a little

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softer here, and the real toughest, like don't be a puss. Yeah,

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that's like his go to line of
this right. I will say one

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thing I especially love as I was
looking for production notes and stuff on this

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movie, is that Stephen Balden actually
did take all of the money he made

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for this movie, yeah, to
an organization that's run by Lane Frost's wife

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or widow. I guess that helps
injured cowboys. And I thought that was,

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you know, having having done all
his work and putting all this this

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work and time into it to do
that. It was that was a really

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cool move. Yeah, you're you're
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Yeah, yeah, offers financial assistance
for cowboys injured during rodeos. Every

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every time I saw that that little
nugget floating out there online, it always

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says a Baldwin quietly donated it or
Baldwin you know, they always use some

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kind of adjective. But basically,
he did not make a He did not

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want people knowing about it. Yeah, he didn't want the he didn't want

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the credit, right, Yeah,
I think that's really cool. Yeah,

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it's very cool about him as far
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we got I mean I know,
we'll probably talk about some other people along

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the way. Obviously, can't ignore
the fact that Vince Gill and Brooks have

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done for our country music listening fans. They're in this movie playing themselves actually,

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which I thought was kind of cool, you know, back in ninety

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four, especially, you know,
they're at the height of their fame,

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especially Brooks and Done, so to
see them playing a bar in the movie

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Pek Brooks and Done with the mullets
and the big hay, it was fantastic

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right out of the gate. They
come on screening like, oh, hey,

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absolutely, man, I'll tell you
what. Let's let's take a quick

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break and then when we get back, let's talk about some of these themes,

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these these issues that we you know, welcome back, Andrew and I

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talking about eight seconds, Andrew,
let's start I think the first one I

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want to start with. There are
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Yeah, between Lane and his dad, his dad Clyde played by James

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is it James Rebhorn? Yeah?
This man, When you watch this movie

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and this was the first time watching
for you, right, yeah, yeah,

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are you just watching the whole time
thinking, man, his dad is

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a dick? Kinda. I I
don't know James Redhorn like I think he

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just I always picture Hi an independence
day. I don't know that goes.

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He's just really good at kind of
being a ship. But there's a part

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of him this where it's like he
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and his regret. I think really
early at the end that gat even early

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on even and as he's kind of
putting Laye down and and motivating him by

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not giving him praise, part of
me is like, man, fuck you.

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But yeah, but the part of
me is like I just feel bad

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for this guy, Like clearly he's
unhappy, you know. I don't know,

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I think, and that's credit to
James Redhorn, because that's not I

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mean, that's that's all in his
performance. Really on the surface, he's

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just a bad father. Well yeah, so it's not like he's playing this

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over the top abusive dad. Yeah, he has this backhanded compliment way of

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speaking to Lane. I was the
one that really sticks out in my head.

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After Wayne wins the championship and they're
in their tuxedos and Lane's like,

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I finally did it. I've proven
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that line where you know, his
dad's like, yeah, it's great,

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of course, Now the job is
staying on top. That's when you find

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out if you're a real champion,
and then walks away from him. I'm

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like, really, the greatest nun
of his life and you say something shitty

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like that, Yeah, come on, dude. And you know, I

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think, especially because the biopics,
you know how the time scale gets a

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little bit wonky, but it's easy
to forget that Lane is still like twenty

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four at the time or something like
that. I mean, he's a kid,

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and so clearly he's not handling it
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It's so sad to watch, and
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as the movie progresses, and you
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passed, watching his father sit there
and realize that he never he had never

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told his son he loved him is
just shattering. And again they go so

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much credit James Redborn here, because
like, that's so much to pull off,

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and he did it in a way
that just felt like this guy couldn't

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process his emotions. And it hurt
me and it hurt to watch it.

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It's a it's a heartbreaking scene seeing
him sit on that that couch. Yeah,

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oh you know, and and say
that and it yeah, and that

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moment you're your heartbroken for for Clyde
obviously, and James Redhorn doing probably some

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of his best work in that in
that one scene. But man, it's

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uh, the dynamics interesting because every
time he cuts Lane down, it's like

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the only way Lane can deal with
it is to go cut Kelly down.

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Mm hmm. And then it's like, well, now now I'm not now

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I don't like Lane. You know, It's like, now you're giving me

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a reason not to like Lane,
but I love Lane. I want to

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love Lane. You know. It's
it's interesting too because you know, to

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my point earlier that you know,
everybody making this movie was still processing Lane's

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death. His parents actually make his
his real parents, Lane's yeah cameo early

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on, so again they're they're involved
in this filmmaking, and like Clyde was

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involved in this filmmaking and watched that, and I mean, I can't fathom

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processing that and showing that that emotion
to the world. But at the same

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time, I had the thought that
Lane wouldn't have been the youngest person in

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the Hall of Fame if his dad
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so it's, yeah, it's sort
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abuse versus how much of it's a
motivational tool. And I think he clearly

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crossed the line. But it's a
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far as his success. We know
who Lane is because of what his father

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did. Yeah, it's a tough
situation because you want to you want to

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tell yourself, well, he you
know, this is you know. I

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mean the story begins in Oklahoma in
nineteen sixty eight when Lane's like like five

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years old, saying I want to
I want to ride, you know,

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and his dad puts, you know, says all right, we're going to

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do it. And even then,
when he's like a kid, doesn't he

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have the line? He has a
line something like, if you're going to

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ride, you might as well be
the best. Yeah. It's like,

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man, he was pushing him hard
from from day one. It's tough to

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watch. And then, like I
said, the way that he transfers his

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anger and his frustrations right into cutting
Kelly down. You know, we got

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this other theme going on with you
know, infidelity and forgiveness because they make

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mistakes, you know, both of
them, Yeah, for sure. And

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this is this is probably, in
my opinion, one of the weakest areas

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of the movie. I think he
could have been really, really good,

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and I just don't think that they
necessarily gave it the time or the room

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to really develop the way it could
have, because like the first half of

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the movie, Lane is just the
nicest, sweetest, perfect dude, Like

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he's he's like young Clark Kent here
Yeah, and then all of a sudden,

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it's like on a dime, he
just he cheats on her, and

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you're like, well, okay,
so where look from? You know,

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yeah, let's talk about it,
because first off, blows my mind.

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The what they used to they call
them buckle bunnies, you know, these

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these like these girls that would go
after the cowboys. Blows my mind.

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Yeah, blows my mind. Who
shows up at his motel door though you

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recognize her? Yes? No,
no, Andrew, that is a unknown

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before she's famous. Renee Zellwegger.
No, yes, no, hold o,

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that is you don't believe me.
Come on, I don't want to

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hold I don't want to like go
watch the movie right now. There's no

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way that's Rene nineteen ninety four Renee
Zelwegger. That's it. Yeah, I'm

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watching it as like it's the voice. Mainly, I was like, wait

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a minute, and I immediately pulled
up the cast list. I was like,

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whoa buckle Bunny? I think I
think she's credited something something weird like

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Motel buckle Bunny. Rene's a Weger. That's nuts. You're right though,

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he he is. He is like
the boy scout. And then it's not

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like he's upset. It's not like
he's angry. He didn't just get into

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it with his dad. He didn't
have an argue with Kelly. But but

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he he cheats on his wife.
I don't get it. And clearly,

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again this is a biopic. It
happened, Yeah, it just seems out.

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It just seems weird. It's it's
jarring in the film because you're like,

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why why would you do this?
Yeah, And then on the flip

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side, I think they gave a
lot of really good context and emotional support

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for what his wife did, because
you know, she she feels alone,

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she feels isolated. He's constantly gone, he's constantly not there for her.

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She's doing everything Like I can see
how that leads to wanting to find like

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that's not an excuse obviously, but
no, I can see where how we

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got there, and so that one
felt a little more emotionally earned. Yeah,

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so it was odd and I just
didn't Like you said, it happens

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a lot in biopics where it's like
you're trying to tell the truth of the

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story. So sometimes things feel a
little bit out of place. It does,

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but you know it happened. So
yeah, one thing I do want

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to talk about before we move on
the theme of of friendship, the brotherhood

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that these these cowboys have. I
believe every second of it. Like,

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like I said, I at the
when we started I talking about chemistry between

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between Perry and Baldwin. I believe
that they were living in that Cadillac,

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yeah, driving around hundreds of miles. I believe the smells. I believe

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everything. You know. It's just
it's just great. You know. You

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know their buddy Cody, Cody,
Yeah, you know, with his his

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his poetry book. Yeah, you
know, this this is the this is

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Andrew. This is the guy that
you want on the road trip with you,

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right, I mean, oh yeah, And it's Watching that scene too,

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it reminded me, you know,
think about this. You and I,

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like going back ten years ago.
We're driving all over the country,

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you know, running, running tough
mutter, doing all these obstacle course races,

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and you're piling up into people's cars
and you're sharing hotel hotel rooms,

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and it just it felt real.
It felt organic, Like yeah, right

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back at that moment, it felt
you know, they described themselves early on

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as family, you know, and
and like you said, like those some

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of those people that we used to
travel a country with, like like you,

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like several our friends. I may
not see them for a while,

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but it's like it doesn't matter.
We're a family, Like that's just how

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it is. I think that they
did a really good job of letting that

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develop organically, because like in the
opening scene, when they first you know,

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hit throw together, it's like they
don't even really like each other that

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much. They're just doing it because
they know it's split in the fair.

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But by the end of it,
you really do believe like, yeah,

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this is this is his family,
Like that's how it goes. And I

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think that that felt really honest and
it felt really natural. Mm hmm.

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The way there's a great scene where
Lane just gets drilled in the nuts by

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a bowl, yep. And he's
laying there on the table and Tough's just

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sitting there reading a newspaper. It's
like, you don't have to watch over

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him. He's like, no,
I'm just waiting to see if they swell

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up so much they pop. Yeah, Like, that's exactly what a brother

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would say, Like that exactly.
But I'm also going to be a dick

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about it. Yeah, I'll tell
you what. You bring up that scene,

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so I want to talk about that. I was gonna ask you,

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like, if there's a pivotal scene
for you, like the scene that makes

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this movie for me, it's that
scene. I would call that scene the

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cowboy up scene. But yeah,
Lane gets what I have to believe is

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one of the most catastrophic injuries a
man can get. I think about how

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much how much is a full size, full grown bull weigh, Like,

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aren't they like a thousand pounds at
least? Yeah, I mean it's not

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even just that, because I mean
he like full drills into it. So

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the amount of the amount of pounds
per square inch, I can't even fathom.

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I've seen this movie a handful of
times, and even watching it this

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last time, when you see that
moment when that bull's hoof comes comes down

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and just smashes him. I feel
I feel it. I just my stomach.

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I get nauseous. I wanted to
go google, like did he ever

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have kids? Like just I'm just
curious, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, oh man, But you
know he's laying there and Tough is just

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sitting there. Like you said,
he's he's kind of big brother in him.

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Yeah, but then he's he's feeling
sorry for himself. And sometimes you

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need a Hey, it's you need
the sunshine and kittens. You know,

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Hey, it's gonna be okay,
And sometimes you need someone to give you

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some tough love and tell you what
you need to hear, not what you

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want to hear. That moment of
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and then and then ends it with
I got two words for you, cowboy

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up. It's like, that's the
moment where I was like, Okay,

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I'm a fan of Tough, Like, if you're watching it for the first

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time, you are a tough heatamen
fan right there, and then throughout the

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rest of the movie as far as
I'm concerned, Yeah, no, absolutely,

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that is that is the moment his
character turns for me as well.

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I think you're right, that would
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I think that's that really is also
where Lane kind of takes a turn,

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because like this is, up to
that point, it just seemed like a

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fun thing they were doing, you
know what I mean, like, oh,

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yeah, we're gonna go out there, we're gonna ride, we're gonna

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try to be good, like we're
just a couple of young, dumb idiots

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out fooling around in the rodeo.
And that's the moment where it kind of

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turns and says like, no,
we're gonna We're gonna do this. We're

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all in what no matter how badly
it hurts, We're gonna do it.

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You know. I think there are
some other really powerful scenes, like the

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one tender moment between Lane and his
dad he's trying to ride Red Rock and

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things like that. But yeah,
I think that Are you talking about the

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Vince post scene? Yeah? Oh
great, I mean, okay, so

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great moment right there, because that's
the first time if Tough is making taking

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a turn in the In the Cowboy
upscene, Clyde's taking a turn on the

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fence post scene where he has that
moment, he softens up a bit and

404
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.200
you know, hey, I'm not
really good at sharing my feelings, and

405
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.000
there's nothing I can tell you about
Rodeo and you know, bull riding that

406
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.759
you don't already know. It's it's
it's maybe it's a sad moment for Clyde

407
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:26.079
because he's admitting, you know,
the son has surpassed the father. This

408
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:29.480
is something, this is something every
father has to has to contend with.

409
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:34.359
At some point, your your son
will be stronger, faster, whatever the

410
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:40.079
case would be. Yeah, and
Andrew, your son one day, although

411
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:44.359
you are a super superhero my eyes, one day your your young your young

412
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.880
boy will we'll surpass you. You
know. Yeah, I mean I I

413
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.720
don't think I have the same mindset
as Clyde. I mean I'm already telling

414
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.079
my son, how proud of man
when he can tell me what color his

415
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.000
shirt is, so like, yeah, I have no problem telling him I'm

416
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:02.359
proud of him. But yeah,
I think that that's it really does humanize

417
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:07.640
him in that moment, and and
it makes it makes the final scene that

418
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.160
we talked about where rab Horn said
on the couch crying over having us,

419
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.559
you know, Lane, it makes
it seem a little bit more palatable because

420
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.519
you know that you know that Lane
got that moment with his dad where he

421
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.359
was like, Okay, he does
actually respect me. He is proud of

422
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.680
me, whether or not he's capable
of saying it in those terms. I

423
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.000
think that moment really landed that and
it was it was an important one.

424
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.240
It is, and I think it
speaks volumes about the real Lane. And

425
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.319
you know, at this if this
actually was a conversation that happened, you

426
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.160
can at least take comfort in the
fact that he had that before he passed

427
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.839
away. He knew that he knew
his father's love before he passed away.

428
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.000
Yeah, he knew his father's acceptance, his his approval, I guess yeah.

429
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.440
And speaking him passing away, that's
one thing I've been really wrestling with

430
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.839
as far as whether or not I
like the way the movie handled his death.

431
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:02.119
Do you mean how brief it was? Yeah, and how sort of

432
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.640
out of the blue it was.
And I know, I guess I want

433
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.119
to hear your opinion on this because
I've been waffling because my part of me

434
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.319
thinks this is a movie you have
to build up to it. There's got

435
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:12.759
to be some sort of emotional payoff. But the other part of me is

436
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.880
thinking, well, but it's a
true story, and this is really how

437
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.160
it happened. It was it was
a freak accident during a regular ride in

438
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:25.680
that that sucks. Yeah, it
makes it more jarring. It's it's incredibly

439
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.240
jarring, especially when you don't know
the story. Like the first time I

440
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.960
saw this in nineteen ninety four,
I didn't know who Lane Frost was.

441
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.039
So I'm just watching this assuming I
didn't even know he was a real person.

442
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:37.440
So I'm just assuming, all right, Well, in the end,

443
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.839
he's gonna build that house for Kelly
and whatever. And you're right, it

444
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.759
just Red Rock throws him. I'm
sorry, not Red Rock taking care of

445
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:51.599
business throws him. You see him
get Gordon aside, he stands up like

446
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.160
and then he just he just drops. You know, they're like, get

447
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.400
a doctor. And the very the
very next scene you get the Karen his

448
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.279
casket out of the of the church
and you're just like, it's a it's

449
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.480
a slap in the face. You're
like, what what just happened? Yeah?

450
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:14.799
So you know, I I wrestle
with it because if this was if

451
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.559
this wasn't a real person, I
think we would have had some kind of

452
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:23.319
melodramatic, you know, beautiful words
on the on the deathbed moment with the

453
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:27.079
hero of this is a payoff to
something that we've been building towards or something

454
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.160
like that, like Red Rock would
have killed him, you know, in

455
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.440
this big you know showdown. But
I'll tell you the reason why I'm okay

456
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:41.000
with it is because this film does
something I don't know if I've ever seen

457
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.759
another movie do. And what I'm
what I'm talking about is we have spent

458
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:49.240
this whole time with Lane and his
story, and then in the blink of

459
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:53.039
an eye, the hero moment,
the big climactic moment at the end,

460
00:31:55.000 --> 00:32:01.880
is not Lane's. It's tough Stephen
Baldwin es since takes just just hijacks the

461
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.480
movie, and not in a bad
way, but it becomes his story almost

462
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:12.039
immediately. And you get this,
You still get this giant hero moment at

463
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.880
the end of the movie that you
love. But it's not for Luke Perry's

464
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.559
character, It's for Steven Baldwood's So
let me, let me, let me,

465
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.440
let me throw it back to you. What you know that sudden that

466
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:27.079
sudden flip did that did you were
you in were you in for it?

467
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.039
I think it was more jarring than
I was expecting. You know, I

468
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.640
knew I didn't know the details,
but I knew that Lane was killed in

469
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.480
a rodeo during an accident on he
got cord, and I didn't really know

470
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.279
the details behind it, so I
knew that that was coming. But yeah,

471
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.720
it kind of blindsided me as well. I will say it really did

472
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:53.000
make the emotional payoff of Tough,
like winning, you know, and say,

473
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.440
you know, nobody ever believed in
me as much as Lane, and

474
00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.519
then going out there and doing the
full sixteen second ride. Yes, it

475
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.359
made that really powerful. And I
think that there's some truth to the fact

476
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.599
that sometimes that's how death is.
You know, sometimes it is just unexpected

477
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.200
and you don't get some big cathartic
emotional payoff. It's just they're gone and

478
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.279
now you have to process that.
And so I think there's there's something interesting

479
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.640
there, But I don't know,
maybe I need maybe I need to rewatch

480
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.079
and kind of give it another go. It's I think it's I think it's

481
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:29.759
it's fascinating that we can get a
moment like like Tough dedicating his ride to

482
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:34.839
the memory of Lane, He's just
about to win the World championship and then

483
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.720
he stays on that xtra eight seconds, which actually happened. That's a real

484
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.440
factual that you can watch it.
You can watch it on YouTube. Is

485
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.160
nuts. It's insane, right.
Could you imagine like the crowd, I

486
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.240
mean, they've got to be losing
their minds watching this happen in real life.

487
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:55.480
Yeah, so unbelievable moment. And
I guess we should expect this from

488
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.960
from John g Alvolinson, right,
I mean, think about this, These

489
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.759
guys went and learned how to become
bull riders for the better part of a

490
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:09.199
year. Rocky he's got, Sylvester
Sloan becomes a boxer. He learns how

491
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:14.840
to box. Ralph Maccio is learning
karate. I'm telling you right now,

492
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.840
if you sign up to play any
kind of athletic role for John g Altson,

493
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.599
you're going to become the role.
So I don't know. I'm all

494
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.679
in on the end. I thought
it was a you know, it's emotional,

495
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.960
you're tearing up for tough. It
had everything very very satisfyed as far

496
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:34.880
as I'm concerned. Absolutely, So
alvertson a little fun fact and I got

497
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.000
a quote for you. I want
to share little clip this might surprise you.

498
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:46.440
Initially, he was hired to direct
Al Pacino in Cirproco Talking nineteen seventy

499
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:52.639
three. Now he was fired due
to creative differences with the producer. But

500
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.480
despite that, he remained close friends
with the real Frank Cirproco, who the

501
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.960
movie is based on. And they
actually shared a Long Island Beach house for

502
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.840
like three years in the eighties.
So that's so weird. That's not what

503
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:15.519
you expect to read about John g
Abbotson. But yeah, that's that's like

504
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.639
a mad libs Like did you know
the director of the Karate Kid and the

505
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.199
actual Cercaco had a house in Long
Beach? Like that is not a real

506
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:29.039
sentence. It is not a real
sentence, but it was a real thing

507
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:35.480
and it happened. That's crazy.
Great, great, great quote here from

508
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.000
John. This is a nineteen ninety
four interview he did with Bobby Wygant.

509
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:43.000
He's talking about Luke Perry, like
we talked at the top of the hour.

510
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.320
We talked about his thoughts on Luke
Perry actually being on these bulls and

511
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.199
being in the shoot and doing some
of this stuff. This is him talking

512
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.519
about Luke Perry doing a lot of
these his own stunts. Looked at some

513
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:59.440
of his own bull riding, So
as the director, you had to be

514
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.679
nervous every time he came out of
that shoe. Oh. When I first

515
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:05.519
heard that he was riding a bull, that he'd been working on the movie

516
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:07.880
a year before I got involved,
and he was uh learning how to ride

517
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.159
bulls. And when I got involved, I said, well, wait,

518
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.800
wait a second guy, as we're
making a movie about a fellow got killed

519
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.119
doing this. Wh what's our actor
on a bull for? We have stunt

520
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.760
people who can do that? Uh? What if he gets hurt? So

521
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.920
I was very much against it uh
when I first got involved. But I

522
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:30.000
went up and saw Luke uh at
his school uh and realized he could do

523
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:31.840
it, and he could do it
uh well, and he had a good

524
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.440
teacher and Gary Lafeud and I became
uh an advocate of the idea. We

525
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:43.159
convinced the uh insurance companies and and
we were able to uh uh do it.

526
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.400
And and I certainly had that concern
that you're talking about. And and

527
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.599
sure enough, when we were shooting
in uh San Diego towards the end of

528
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.920
the schedule, he got uh badly
hurt. He got uh whacked in the

529
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.840
shoulder, dislocated his shoulder. The
movie could have been called A Man without

530
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.159
a Face if that hoof had been
a few more interest to the left.

531
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.199
I think a lot of people think
he's just another pretty face in the TV

532
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.800
dial. But this is a good
actor, somebody who's very committed, dedicated,

533
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.559
no fooling around, always prepared,
and he's very talented. So I

534
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.079
think you're gonna see a lot of
good stuff from from lub, you know,

535
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.119
Andrew at that, you know,
let's let's change up. You know,

536
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.039
we're always quoting the director lately.
Let's I just thought, let's let's

537
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:29.000
just hear the director. So that
was that was John g himself. Ge,

538
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:30.079
do you know what the did you
know what the G stands for?

539
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:37.639
What Gilbert has to stay for something? But I guess I'll tell you what.

540
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.840
Let's take one last break and then
we're going to get into his filmography

541
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:51.199
a little bit. Andrew, we're
back talking about the films of John g

542
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.960
Avilton. Here's the thing, man, I don't know if you looked,

543
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:59.159
if you did any I don't know
how far you dug into his his uh

544
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.360
his resume, but from sixty four
to seventy five, there's a lot of

545
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:09.320
unusual films, some exploitive films.
Nothing he's really ever heard of, never

546
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.360
heard of, with exception of one
nineteen seventy He does Joe, have you

547
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:20.480
actually have you seen this one?
I have not. It's on my long

548
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.199
list of TBW. I have to
say I've actually never seen it myself,

549
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.360
but I have to be honest.
After reading the synopsis for this one,

550
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.599
Andrew, this is something right up. You're in ies alley for discussion.

551
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:39.320
Two men, wealthy conservative Bill and
far right factory worker Joe form a dangerous

552
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:46.719
bond after Bill confesses to Joe about
murdering his daughter's drug dealer boyfriend. Ooh

553
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.639
yeah. Peter Boyle kind of going
Charles Bronson, like, Okay, this

554
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.679
we need to see this man.
Susan Sarandon's in it. I mean,

555
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.239
I'm always there for Peter Boyle in
a lot of I think he was.

556
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:05.400
He was very underrated. I feel
like Avilton's got a really weird collection.

557
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.039
None of his like, He's got
so many iconic movies and yet so many

558
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.679
that are just like never heard of, never heard of, never will be

559
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.559
heard of again. Yeah, I
mean, it's such a weird career.

560
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:21.400
We talked about, like some of
these unusual films. He's exploited films Like

561
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.000
the year before he does Rocky,
he does a movie called Foreplay. It's

562
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:31.320
just it's it's weird. But let's
move on. Listen, nineteen seventy six

563
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.280
Rocky. We have we have covered
Rocky on our nineteen seventy six series.

564
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.880
I actually did that. Andrew got
to do that one with our buddy Andy

565
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.440
Tom. Yeah, you know he
grew he grew up in Philly. He

566
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.880
If you're gonna talk with anyone about
Rocky, it's gotta be Andy Tom.

567
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:53.039
But uh, your quick take on
the original, I mean, it's it's

568
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.840
Rocky. It's a classic. Uh. I mean, I don't really know

569
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.400
what to say about it that hasn't
been said already. What else you say?

570
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:01.519
It's the birth of I mean,
I know it's the seventies, but

571
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.199
it really feels like the birth of
the good eighties montage. It brought us

572
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.199
the loan. It's it's Rocky.
I mean, I it is. I

573
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.840
must see. It is the top
one hundred movies you gotta see before you

574
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:20.480
die. Absolutely, it's it's my
all time favorite. So nineteen eighty I

575
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.960
think we have homework aside from Joe, we might we might want to look

576
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.480
into this one. He does a
movie called The Formula Andrew listened to this.

577
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.119
The synthetic fuel production formula, invented
by the Nazis at the end of

578
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.519
World War Two, is sought after
by some who aim to sell it and

579
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.679
by others who wish to destroy it. Starring George C. Scott and Marlon

580
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.519
Brando. Oh yeah, I just
pulled it up right here. This actually

581
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.760
looks interesting. This looks like,
yeah, where's it streaming? I want

582
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.840
to watch this tonight? What again? Though, Like this is after Rocky?

583
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.199
What is this man's career? It's
so all over the board because this

584
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.960
kind of looks like like what I'm
looking to hear. It kind of looks

585
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.400
like a grindhouse movie, but with
a list star. It's like, it's

586
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.639
so strange. Are you seeing the
photo of Marlon Brando? Yeah? I

587
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:15.360
mean he how sinister is he?
Yeah? And the one I've got here

588
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.199
is like, got like these overexposed
flame pictures on it, Like, yep,

589
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.920
it genuinely looks like a grindhouse movie. Yeah. Well, It's like

590
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.480
you said, what kind of career
is this guy having? Just when you

591
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.320
expect him to zig, he's gonna
zag because in a year later, in

592
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:34.800
nineteen eighty one, he does a
movie that should have been a smash success.

593
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:39.199
And I'm talking about Neighbors. Help
me out here. You've got a

594
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:43.840
suburban like you've got two neighbors going
to war with each other in a comedic

595
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.960
setting, and they're played by Dan
Ackroyd and John Belushi. Oh saw,

596
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.880
I've seen this one. I had
to literally check it. I was like,

597
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:53.000
wait, what are we talking about
here? Now? That is It's

598
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.440
it's been a while, but I've
seen this one. It was it was

599
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.280
kind of underwhelming. I'm not gonna
lie. Yeah, it's yeah, I

600
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.320
kind of Belushi were great. I
remember watching it. I was so excited.

601
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.800
I was like, all right,
we're getting some Blues Brothers energy in

602
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.119
here. And yeah, it fell
flat. It's not a bad movie.

603
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:13.599
It's just that it's not a great
movie, right. Yeah. And it's

604
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:19.920
weird because they were supposed to play
the opposite roles before before they before the

605
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.320
cameras rolled. Belushi was supposed to
be the loud, brash, in your

606
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:28.079
face, crazy guy, and Akroy
was supposed to play the quiet guy,

607
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.920
and at the last possible second they
decided, you know what, let's switch

608
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.679
things up, and then Belushi's the
quiet guy. I don't I think that

609
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.480
kind of hurts it in a way, honestly, Yeah, for sure.

610
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.559
I mean every every great Blushi role
has been him being over the top of

611
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:49.320
him being loud. It's sometimes playing
against type isn't the right call exactly.

612
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.519
I'll tell you what wasn't the right
call. In nineteen eighty three, he

613
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.000
does a movie that he is.
He's on the record as saying he wishes

614
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:01.840
he could refund everyone's ticket money that
went and saw it. I'm talking about

615
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:08.639
A Night in Heaven. Uh.
Not happy to say I haven't seen this

616
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:14.920
one. I'm just just for just
for the listeners who are wondering, well,

617
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.199
how bad could it be? What? What is the movie? Uh,

618
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:22.360
here's here's your synopsis. A married
college professor begins a torrid affair with

619
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:29.760
her failing student who secretly moonlights as
a late night strip club dancer. And

620
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.400
uh, before you get too uh
too hot and bothered. Uh. The

621
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.840
stripper in question played by Christopher Atkins, the kid from the Blue lagoon.

622
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:46.639
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well she's cheating on her NASA engineer husband

623
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:52.920
with him too, so usually you're
especially offended, right, she's living the

624
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:57.760
dream, yeah, Leslie, Leslie
and Warren, what are you? What

625
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.920
are you thinking? She's thinking she's
got to get away to the Blue Lagoon?

626
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:05.960
I guess because yeah, movie does
did not do well. And uh.

627
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.239
I always love when I when a
director will will publicly apologize for a

628
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:13.039
film that they did. I think
that's I think that's hilarious. I mean

629
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.719
sometimes you just gotta be honest with
yourself. Yeah, yeah, we dropped

630
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.079
the ball on that one guy.
Wait, hey, sorry, guys,

631
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.599
Well, I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you where he doesn't drop the

632
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:25.039
ball, and it's it's his next
his next film, Andrew. Just days

633
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.960
ago June twenty second, it's celebrated
its fortieth anniversary. I'm talking about the

634
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.719
Karate Kid, the Masterpiece. We've
discussed it before, we'll discuss it again.

635
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.639
I'm sure this is the reason I
know his name, you know what

636
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.519
I mean? Yeah, because I
mean he does this and then pretty much

637
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.119
immediately does Karate Kid too right after
it. Yeah. Yeah, there's it's

638
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:50.480
like a little two year it's like
this is eighty four and then karate Kid

639
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.199
is eighty six because you and I
covered Pridy Kid two on our limited series

640
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:00.559
nineteen eighty six. When and again, for anyone that's that's a little rusty

641
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.639
on their karate Kid history, karate
Kid two the the pivotal moment there is

642
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:09.320
when Daniel LaRusso becomes the hero,
right because it was the villain and karate

643
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.639
Kid I will die on that hill. He won the tournament with an illegal

644
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.840
kick to the face, which is
clearly against the rules. This punk from

645
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:25.880
Mercida shows up rex Johnny Lawrence's high
school senior year guy from New Jersey.

646
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.599
What were they thinking? I won't
do it. I won't do it.

647
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:35.199
I refuse. Yeah, at some
point you and I are going to have

648
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.760
to do a Karate Kid episode where
we explain why Johnny is the hero because

649
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.400
there's there's still amazingly, there's still
people that they're like, no, Daniel

650
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.840
is the good guy. People are
allowed to have their wrong opinion. It's

651
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.159
fine, yeah, yeah, what's
what's Dayton say? You could be wrong

652
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:53.000
all day. Yeah. I will
say that looking at his career and the

653
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.559
Karate Kid movies really is what What
brought it out to me is I feel

654
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.639
like he is as a director,
i'veon is as good as the cast he

655
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.760
gets, because I felt like a
lot of these movies where they fall short

656
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:07.840
is where it's like a certain character
just doesn't really live up or doesn't really

657
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:13.159
bring home the energy. And where
he's where he really shines, is like

658
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.440
where he's got Pat Marita, where
he's got stallone. You know, that's

659
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:20.480
where he's like, that's when he
makes something legendary. You know. Well,

660
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:28.360
the the Alvitson formula is, I
need an underdog who will not perform

661
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:34.960
at the level needed until until his
his girl is in his corner, and

662
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.679
then he overcomes adversity. Think about
that. Yeah, LaRusso needed Ali,

663
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:45.599
Rocky needs Adrian, and Lane needed
Kelly. And then at certain points in

664
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.920
the story there was adversity and the
women were not standing behind their man or

665
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.159
by their man, I should say, and then they they reconcile and then

666
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.679
all of a sudden, I'm ready
to to win, you know, in

667
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.840
Rocky In's case, he's a winner. Yeah, you know, Laane,

668
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.320
I'm ready to ride red Rock.
In Daniel Larusso's case, yeah, I'm

669
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:10.679
ready to cheat and whin the All
Valley by any means necessary. So yeah,

670
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:14.880
I mean it's funny you mention it, but you're not wrong. Yeah,

671
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.800
it's yeah, I'm okay, I'm
a fan of it. Hey,

672
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:21.599
it works again. Nineteen eighty six, he does The Karate Kid Part two.

673
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.599
Great film. We covered it.
Please check out our nineteen eighty six

674
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.239
episode on the Karate Kid. Two
eighty seven, he does a movie called

675
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.000
Happy New Year. I'm listen,
I gotta skip right by this one because

676
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.079
it just sounded bad and we never
heard of it, and I'm just gonna

677
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:38.360
leave it at that. Listeners,
if you want to look up Happy New

678
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:44.000
Year and you want to be disappointed, to go for it. But if

679
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.400
you watch it and it's amazing,
let us know. I would love to

680
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.679
be proven wrong. I love finding
a good die. Yeah, hey,

681
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.679
but tell yeah, tell me tell
me where. I'd love to be wrong

682
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:54.440
about that. But sometimes you can
just look and you can know. Yeah.

683
00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:00.239
But in nineteen eighty eight, I
remember seeing this one on I want

684
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.679
to say Showtime maybe or HBO.
In the early nineties. Nineteen eighty eight,

685
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.400
Molly Ringwold graduates from the brad Pack
and she does a movie called for

686
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:15.639
keeps, which I gotta tell you, I don't know how well this would

687
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:21.159
play for laughs in twenty twenty four. But Andrew, if you haven't seen

688
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.119
it, it's a rom com focused
on whether or not she should keep the

689
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:29.960
baby after she gets pregnant. Huh. I mean, you know we had

690
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.039
knocked up, and aside from a
few scenes in there that already haven't aged,

691
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.280
well like, that went pretty well. So I think you can do

692
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.719
it. I don't know if I
trust nineteen eighty seven Hollywood to do it,

693
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:45.440
but I think it could be done
well. You know, in eighty

694
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.480
seven eighty it was cute. It
was like, oh, well she keep

695
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:52.119
it was she Oh. I don't
think we're going to have that kind of

696
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.320
mentality nowadays. But you know whatever, I'm glancing out of here. It's

697
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.880
got Polly Shore in it, which
means it's definitely handled with Grayson a plumb.

698
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:06.960
You don't think the Wheasel could uh
talk about the topics like abortion.

699
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:09.920
I don't know, maybe you know
what, at least it'll be fun.

700
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:15.440
I honestly, the last time I
saw it was probably like nineteen ninety.

701
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:20.400
I don't remember. And uh,
I remember watching it because I was I

702
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.159
was crushing on Molly Ringwall probably,
but who wasn't Who was it? Right?

703
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:30.760
Nineteen eighty nine he's back with damn
good movie Morgan Freeman and lean on

704
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:36.679
Me. Yeah, this is probably, Like I think this might be the

705
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:38.320
first of his movies that I saw, maybe this are Karate Kid because I

706
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.239
was I was pretty young, you
know, I would have been like you

707
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.639
see it came out eighty nine,
Yes, I mean I was one when

708
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.280
it came out. Well, you
know, who knows when I actually saw

709
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.840
it, But I remember seeing this
one really really young, and damn it's

710
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.119
a good movie. And again just
feels a little left field for this guy.

711
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.119
His career just keeps taking He's eggs. He's eggs, yeah, right

712
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.679
into the classroom. And this is
you know, I mean nowadays, like

713
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:10.679
the teacher or principal that's going to
make a difference in the school. Like

714
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:14.920
that's it's it's it's a cliche.
We've seen so many movies do it,

715
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.679
but this is one him or Michelle
Pfeiffer, like that's exactly that's the blueprint.

716
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.559
Yeah, yeah, I love it
though. It's definitely worth the watch

717
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.320
if you're a fan of nineteen eighty
nine films, and I know some of

718
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:31.199
our listeners are they knew who they
are? H you got you gotta you

719
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:36.199
gotta check out Lean on Me.
And then obviously nineteen eighty nine you have

720
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.920
to check out his other feature.
He's back for the third time doing the

721
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.760
Karate Kid. Where you at on
this one, I mean it's I don't

722
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.800
hate it, yeah, good,
not certain certain trilogies, you know,

723
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:51.920
Like I'm just like, yeah,
you can skip that one. I wouldn't

724
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:53.559
necessarily say that about the third,
but it definitely doesn't live up to the

725
00:50:53.559 --> 00:51:00.719
first two. No, it's it's
enjoyable, yeah, but uh, I

726
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:06.119
can't say that for he does next
in nineteen ninety when he revisits Rocky Yeah,

727
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:12.920
that's Rocky five. That's that's rough, That's I mean, I'll say

728
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.800
this, Rocky five kind of circled
back around to a point where it's kind

729
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.480
of funny a little bit. It's
kind of like Jaws three D, where

730
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.960
it's like, yeah, this isn't
a worthy sequel, but like, I

731
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.159
want to watch it still. I
listen, I'm expecting the call you mentioned

732
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.199
Jael's three D. I was.
I was able to cover that with my

733
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.320
friend, our friends Jason and d
Over on the show You Keep Me Serious

734
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.960
Podcast. We they have this awesome
series What the Heck Happened where we just

735
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.119
get to, you know, sink
our teeth into some some films and and

736
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.079
and and call him out for being
the schlock that they that they are.

737
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.000
I'm waiting for the Rocky five call
because I know it's coming. It's kind

738
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:53.280
of or Star Trek five, one
of the fives is going to come.

739
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:58.280
Yeah, oh oh, Jason d
If you're listening Star Trek five versus Rocky

740
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:04.360
five, What the heck Happened?
Uh yeah, call us please now?

741
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.360
In nineteen ninety two, Andrew,
I think we got we got to add

742
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.679
this to our list. This one
sounds I hadn't I hadn't seen this one.

743
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:15.840
The Power of One an English boy. You're looking at this one?

744
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:21.400
An English boy living in Africa during
World War Two, through his boxing prowess,

745
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.559
becomes a symbol of hope in a
time of war. Okay, I

746
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.519
mean Morgan Freeman, Stephen Dwarf.
It's you know, yeah, we're doing

747
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.679
Rocky during World War two? Is
that what we're doing? I could see

748
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.280
that maybe a little bit of a
you know, you get Morgan Freeman as

749
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:43.920
the inspiring you know, like motivational
mentor obviously there's going to be a pretty

750
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:45.800
blonde that he has to have watching
him so he can fight good. We've

751
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:52.960
already cherished that. But I could
see that. Yeah, now you know

752
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.599
nineteen ninety four, eight second.
We've been talking about eight seconds this this

753
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:02.159
past hour. Sadly he's only got
one more film. Nineteen ninety nine,

754
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:08.119
he does the direct to video Van
Damn film called depending on what street you

755
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:12.679
grew up on, it's either desert
Inferno or sorry, it's inferno, or

756
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.119
it's desert Heat. I saw it
as desert heat. That's where I come

757
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.559
from, so yeah, I'm a
desert heat guy. But here's here's what

758
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.000
will blow your mind. Did you
have you seen Desert Heat? By the

759
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.559
way, yeah, it's been it's
been a minute, but yeah, it's

760
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:29.079
been a while. But I need
to go back and watch it again because

761
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.760
apparently it's a Yojimbo remake and I
can't believe that for one second. But

762
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.440
I kinda, I kind of can. I mean, I could see that

763
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:42.199
in the style and the genre.
It's it's been long enough, I couldn't.

764
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.679
I would have been young enough,
I wouldn't have caught that. Listen,

765
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:50.840
as corny as it might be,
This is a This is a Yojimbo

766
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:54.199
remake starring Jean Claude Van Dam and
Pat Morita. It's all you need.

767
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:59.559
What more do you aside, like, aside from like a six pack of

768
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:00.840
beer? I don't know what else
you need to make that a good night?

769
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:05.360
So yeah, that's that is all
you have to say. And I'm

770
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.840
already there. All right, Well, Andrew. You know, sadly,

771
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.360
John g Alflson did pass away from
pancreatic cancer in twenty seventeen, so we're

772
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.920
not gonna get any more films from
him. My question to you shooting from

773
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.840
the Hip Rocky five or Karate Kid
three. Oh, karate Kid three gotta

774
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:29.599
be karate Okay, Yeah, I
mean again, I don't I don't love

775
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.639
it, but I don't hate it
either. It's it's fine, Yeah,

776
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:36.719
yeah, you it's it's it's got
Terry Silver, it's got Karate's bad boy

777
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.199
Mike Barnes. I mean, it's
got Daniel going back to the dark side

778
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:44.559
like he was in the first movie. Yeah. You know, the more

779
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:45.599
I talk it up, the more
I'm starting to think. Yeah, it's

780
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:52.840
a good movie. It's it's bad
all right, Well listen, we can't

781
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:54.800
thought it around for eight seconds?
I think, uh, look, you

782
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.559
don't need to be a fan of
bull riding or the rodeo to enjoy this

783
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:04.440
movie. It's got the same heart
you see Albolton offer us in Rocky or

784
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.599
The Karate Kid. It's it's currently
streaming on tub and the Roku channel.

785
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.239
Andrew, where'd you catch this one? I watched it on twob how to

786
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.679
do with a couple of commercials.
But m hm, but enjoyable? Right?

787
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.079
You'd recommend this song? Oh?
Absolutely, yeah, especially like I

788
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.599
Feel like Me. You know,
I grew up in that sweet that sweet

789
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.480
spot of nineties country. You know, songs about rodeos, got Brooks and

790
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:30.360
down. So many shots from a
cinematography standpoint of this movie just look like

791
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.079
a music video from a nineties country
song. It's it's a good movie.

792
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.199
It's got a good, good heart, and it's interesting. You learn about

793
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.280
a world you don't know about it. I'm down. I'd recommend it for

794
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.840
sure. Absolutely listeners, what do
you think of eight seconds? You can

795
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.159
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796
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:52.159
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797
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:58.840
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798
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.320
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799
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:06.000
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800
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.360
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801
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:14.880
bonus content. Andrew and I have
started these fun minisodes. We're calling ten

802
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.480
for two. Andrew, I'm already
excited for what we're doing in July.

803
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.280
You know, two minutes of jawls, two minutes of a League of their

804
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:25.880
own, Oh hell yeah, those
are gonna be fun. But we also

805
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:31.039
we cover films requested by our subscribers, and our wildly funlimited series nineteen eighty

806
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:37.679
six is enjoying a limited renaissance.
Someone pointed out a while ago we finished

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it with sixty six episodes. Hey, why didn't you guys do eighty six?

808
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So we are bringing it back.
We're I think we're ten episodes in,

809
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so we got ten more to go. And uh, I gotta tell

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you, the next one we do
promises to be fun. I was actually

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talking with Scott Hoffman the other night
and here's here's a little I'm gonna be

812
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Andrew. Let me play a clip
of of of what he had to say,

813
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because, uh, you know,
I was teeing him up to see

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if he could guess the movie.
All right, Scott, so you are

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just so, I'm sure so I
understand you. You you do not want

816
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to do armed in Dangerous. I
would rather not. That sounds pretty cringing

817
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and inappropriate. Okay, all right, yeah, I'll tell you what I

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found one. And I'm surprised that
we did not think about doing this one.

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I'm gonna see if you can guess
it. And uh and we're gonna

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have some fun with this one.
All right, So imagine this. It's

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a movie that stars and Indiana Jones
villain, Harry Potter villain one of the

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00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.440
Beatles, an egg Shin from Big
Trouble, and Little China. Mm hmm.

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It's got music. It's got music. It's got it's got some pretty

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amazing music. And I'm gonna give
you if you need one more, one

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00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:02.440
more hint. I'm going to give
you a review. I'm gonna carefully,

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I'm going to redact some of this
review, but I'm going to give you

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a review. That someone had to
say at the time. This guy from

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a well, I won't geta I
want to. I want this to be

829
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a surprise for you. So okay. This guy gave it one star out

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00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:23.559
of four and he says, quote
in redacted, as you may have heard,

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almost everything is just a bit off. Though widely anticipated, it's actually

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a kind of miniaturization of Raiders of
the Lost Ark and Indiana Jones in the

833
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.960
Temple of Doom, with a feisty
heroine in the vein of Rita Hayworth and

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a roguish adventure hero as well as
a pop sprinkled score. There's a plot

835
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:53.880
here redacted. I don't give you
how don't I give you that one in

836
00:58:54.280 --> 00:59:00.360
the review by saying wrong stars,
wrong roles, not much happening here,

837
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and for this redacted production company,
their first big bust. Scott, if

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you if you have not figured out
we're we're gonna talk about a movie that

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that might take the crown as worst
film of nineteen eighty six away. It

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00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.480
might snatch it right out of the
hands of Under the Cherry Moon, Howard

841
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:24.159
the Duck and Troll. Oh wow, any any idea? He went to

842
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:30.559
a guess of what we're doing Alan
Quartermaid. No, no, hold on,

843
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.400
Alan Quarterman was good, but that
was not nineteen eighty six. So

844
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I'll tell you what. All right, I'm guessing that the Beatler you're talking

845
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:43.760
about is Ringo Star. No,
although that's a good, that's a good.

846
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.840
You know, Ringo did some movies. Yeah, right too. He

847
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.960
was ready, you're ready for me
to give it up? Yeah, hit

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00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:59.320
me with it. He shaking his
head now because he knows. But you

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00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.079
know, uh yeah, you guys
are gonna have to check out Patreon for

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01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.440
that one. On Friday, our
limited series A Film at forty five returns

851
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:13.800
with special guest Van Allen Plexico.
The Martinis will be shaken, not stirred

852
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:20.000
when we celebrate the forty fifth anniversary
of Moonraker, and next time on a

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film by we'll discuss a former Bond
turned villain, Rocket Packs and the lovely

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01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:30.239
Jennifer Connley when we talk about a
film by Joe Johnston Andrew. Thank you

855
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.280
very much. Always a pleasure,
sir, Always was a pleasure to be

856
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.599
here. Happy to be back.
Yeah, And for all of you out

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01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.559
there listening each week, hitting those
like subscribe and follow buttons and following us

858
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:47.280
on Patreon, We thank you.
I wood hold like a life line to

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01:00:47.480 --> 01:01:01.599
my heart. Hunderneys, the Sundy
Weed, if I head only. Oh,

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01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:06.039
it was a last walk in the
rain