John Schlesinger - Pacific Heights

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I mean I love a good thriller. Uh, Before I start binging horror

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films in October, I like to
prime late August and September with thrillers.

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Dayton, do you have a favorite
thriller. It's it's hard to narrow it

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down. So I actually came up
with two. I had a classic one,

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which is Psycho and uh, contemporary
choice would be fight Club. Those

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are my two favorites. Fight Club, as you'r as a thriller, man,

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the end of that movie is a
total don't you know? Mine?

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Mine? Miss? I mean seriously, I considered it more of a thriller

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than a lot of other movies that
people label as thrillers. So, I

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mean, we had some screen was
a thriller, and I'm like, that's

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more of a horror film. That's
a that's a slasher. Yeah, you

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know, I'm with you. I
mean, I'm always I always looked to

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Rear Window as as the best thriller
if you if you if you had if

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I had to go modern, I'd
probably say Cape Fear. Uh that's for

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Sacy. Yeah. You know,
we talked last week. We talked about

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an awesome thriller from nineteen seventy six. We're talking about Marathon Man. I

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want to talk about another film by
John S. Lessenger, his nineteen ninety

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underrated thriller Pacific Heights. Hello,
and welcome to a film by podcast.

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I am Jeff Johnson. My guest
co host today is of no relation.

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I am talking, of course about
Docking Base seventy seven Zone Dayton Johnson.

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Hello, and thank you for having
me on on with an episode that has

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a movie from San Francisco. I
appreciate that all that story you are.

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You are the guy from San Francisco. You're the fan. Yeah, okay,

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this worked out good then, glad
to have you. We're gonna talk

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about Pacific Heights today. Before we
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listeners, they gotta know what what
is it? What are specific heights all

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about? All right? Here is
a brief synopsis I prepared. Melanie Griffith

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and Matthew Modine stars a young couple
living in San Francisco. They buy an

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old home in a Pacific Heights neighborhood
and with the idea of fixing it up

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and renting it out and renting out
the two apartments to make up the mortgage.

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Things are looking up as home comes
together and the first apartment is rent

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to a nice, older Asian couple. Things look even better when an affluent

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looking businessman, Michael Keaton shows up
to rent the other apartment after a promise

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of six months of rent in advance, the apartment is rented rented to this

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charming and a bit mysterious stranger.
That's when things start to go bad,

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bad, even horrible. Our young
couple are in over their heads and their

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lives start to fall apart. How
does the movie end for our young yuppie

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couple? In nineteen eighty nine,
Michael Keaton stuns critics, wows moviegoers,

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and blows the box office away with
Batman. He's a hero, and then

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one year later he's back on the
big screen as a villain. In Pacific

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Heights, Dayton, he goes from
savior to psychopath and does it very convincingly,

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actually, very convincing, very convincingly. Right, oh wow. You

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know, back in July on our
John Us episode, we talked about She's

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having a baby, kicking off a
subgenre of baby themed comedies in the late

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eighties, Slessinger does something similar here. In the early nineties, Pacific Heights

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launches a subgenre of married couple meets
unassuming threat and terror follows. Right after

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Pacific Heights in nineteen ninety we get
Deceived, Sleeping with the Enemy, and

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Mortal Thoughts. In ninety one,
Consenting Adults an unlawful entry in ninety two,

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Guiltiest, Sin and Malice, which
we're going to discuss later this month.

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In nineteen ninety three, Dating your
thoughts on these types of thrillers and

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do you have a favorite among them? The thrillers, Well, there are

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good ideas because the thriller the idea
of letting somebody into your life and them

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becoming your worst enemy, you know, befriending somebody or it even could be

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somebody that you're you're close to and
all of a sudden turns on you.

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It makes you uncomfortable, and it
because you start to picture yourself in that

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situation, you know, like with
the people in this particular movie. You

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buy this old house, you fix
it up, got an apartment, you

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rent it out, and you're basically, you know, putting yourself in danger

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by renting to these terrible people.
So I like the idea that it's a

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lot of people can relate to that
thought. You know, even if it's

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just you're renting out a room,
what happens of that person just totally goes

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bonkers, you know what I mean? So I like that thought. An

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idea out of all the ones you
mentioned, probably sleeping with the Enemy probably

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registers is probably one of my more
favorite ones. But yeah, gotta be

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gotta be the top choice out of
it. Well, Malice, I don't

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know, I've I don't want to
show my hand. I don't want to

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tip my hand here because I know
we're gonna talk about it in a couple

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weeks. But mal is definitely a
personal favorite mine. Unlawful Entry. Yeah,

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you know, it's been a while
I've seen him, but the one

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I remember most is probably Sleeping with
the Enemies. That's probably why I'm picking

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it. I kind of feel like
Sleeping with the Enemy had the most the

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most tension, and had the most
thrill. Oh yeah, you know,

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out of the thrillers. But let's
talk a little bit about the this cast.

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So we got we got Matthew Modine
as Drake Goodman and Melanie Griffith as

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Patti Palmer. They are the proverbial
couple that's that's gonna find themselves in some

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trouble Dayton. Turns out they did
not enjoy working together, and we're pretty

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open about it in interviews. Uh
you know, I that's very much a

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he said, she said stuff,
And you know, I wouldn't know who

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decide with you know what I mean, because I honestly don't know a whole

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lot about Matthew Modine, you know
what I mean, because to me,

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he was he was He was very
much a B list actor, you know.

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I mean he has he was in
some good roles or whatever, but

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in my mind, he was never
somebody that would carry a movie. Melonie

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Griffith, you know, she was
more well known. So maybe it was

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the whole Prima Donna part of her
or the deva part of her that was

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part of the issue. Who knows, you know, or maybe you know,

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seeing the Matthew mode we have now
and stranger things, maybe that's a

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little bit more true to who he
is. I'm just saying it could be,

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you know. You know, Melanie
has these great performances in Body Double,

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Something Wild and Working Girl leading up
to this, and despite playing the

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dutiful wife girlfriend role in Pacific Heights, I think she's strong, she's independent,

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and probably something I love the most
about this film is that she takes

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the lead as the film's protagonist.
Yes, very late, very late in

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the movie, and that's see I
struggled with our two protagonists. I didn't

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start to like her until she figured
it out, you know what I mean

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towards the end, when she you
know, decided I'm going to do this

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and trying to figure out what's going
on and go after this guy, and

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I'm like, Okay, finally somebody's
doing something right. I spent the rest

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of movie going, you know,
because Matthew Mudin goes from kind of likable

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to a total douche, I mean
in like seconds, and it really was

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just like, you know, I
don't even care what happened to this guy

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because he did everything wrong, and
he's yelling at his girlfriend slash future wife

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potentially all the time, telling her
to stay out of it. I'm like,

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going, well, dude, you're
not really doing such a good job.

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So yeah, I mean, and
to your point. Yeah, halfway

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through this movie, you know,
uh, she kicks it in to overdrive

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and starts she takes over the movie
as as our hero. But even before

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that, I dig the fact that
they buy this this big old house for

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like seven hund fifty thousand dollars,
they're gonna gut it and renovate it.

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And I love the fact that she's
the one using the sall using the nail

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guns. She's doing all the heavy
lifting. He's doing the heavy she's doing

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the heavy lifting. He meanwhile,
he's like, hey, someone's gonna brint

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these apartments. He's you know,
to your point, Matthew Okay, So

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Matthew Modine his earlier work in the
eighties, you know, it sees him

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playing a lot of likable characters,
absolutely likable. In nineteen ninety he does

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Memphis Bell and Pacific Heights, the
ladder of which I feel is the start

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of him playing unlikable characters. You
know, we should we should be rooting

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for Drake in Pacific Heights. But
to your point, he's angry. He

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yells it, he yells at her. You know, he's kind, he's

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kind of a dick to her.
He yells. He's yelling at everybody,

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you know, including the cops.
You know, and by the third act

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he is helpless, you know,
after after being shot then bludgeoned with a

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nine iron. You know, he
basically just watches Melanie Griffith kicked Batman's ass

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from a hole in the floor.
Right. God, yeah, And see

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that was my issue. I do
like Melanie Griffith and quite a few of

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her roles, like I loved her, her you know, rolling milky like

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the ones you mentioned earlier, and
this one I kind of felt like she

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really was taking a back seat too, And maybe they're off screen issues were

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kind of impacting her performance, maybe, you know, because I didn't I

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didn't believe it. I didn't really
feel their relationship. And honestly, from

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the get go, I was a
little annoyed because they're trying to fill out

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their paperwork for the mortgage and they're
acting it was supposed to come off was

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cute, you know, well what
do we put here? What it to

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me just sounded like you shouldn't be
doing this, you know, Yeah,

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you're you're in over your head,
right. Yeah. They even asked their

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friend who pretty much said, no, this is too expensive for you,

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and they ignored him completely. So
it was hard for me to want to

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like them because I just felt from
from the word go they were doing everything

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wrong. Yeah, they're there.
Their buddy h played by Dorian Haywood.

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I don't know specifically what they didn't
really say what his career is, but

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he's he is certainly like they're confidant
and like they're, you know, should

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we do this? And he's flat
out tells them you know, you can't

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afford that, you can't do this, and if someone one tenant, you

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know, skips out on rent,
you're you're you're upside down on this whole

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deal. You know. Listen Dorian
Harwood. He's from Dayton, Ohio,

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and Dayton if we know anything about
Dyton, Ohio, it said, if

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you know someone tells you don't do
it, you just listen to him.

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I love that guy. He's a
he's not to jump to some of our

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our character actors in this, but
I love his work. He's a prolific

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voice actor on a lot of like
Marvel and DC cartoons. You know,

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good great actor. Love that guy. But let's talk a little bit about

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the main the main bad guy here
Michael Keaton as Carter Hayes the movie.

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The movie opens with this really sexy
scene between him and Beverly DeAngelo laying in

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bed, and then two thugs bust
in with a ball bat beat him severely.

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I don't know about you, but
the first time I've seen this,

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I'm already on his side and rooting
for him, you know, because I'm

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like, what, you know,
bad guy? You know, if what

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did he do that was so wrong? Like these guys just came and beat

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the shit out of him, like, and he's and you know, Beverly

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D'Angelo is upset and she's crying,
and you know, he's like it's okay.

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You know he's and you're like,
man, I don't know. I

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think you know. Keaton in this
role, he's charismatic, he's intelligent,

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he's giving off some serious Bruce Wayne
vibes when he's pleasant, but when it's

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the creepy behavior where he really shines
in this movie. Yeah, Actually,

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the opening sequence is really cool because
the first shot is a reflection off the

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little TV screen and I really dug
that that was very cool because you can

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see what's going on but not completely. So I really like that. And

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to your point, I see him
get beat up, but at the same

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time, he seems like he had
that look on his face like Yep,

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this is exactly what I was hoping
for. And so, yeah, you're

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not quite sure what his deal is
and I like that at times, Like

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I said, he does have a
strong charisma coming off him. There is

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definitely some confidence. And when he
pulls up in front of the house in

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San Francisco and he gets out of
his car and you know, he's coming

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off like he knows their names and
stuff like that. So he's like,

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it's like he's already working in the
con but I'm already looking at this guy.

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You know, if you pay attention. This is one of the things

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that really bothered me about Matthew Madean's
character. He's not paying attention. You

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know. He says all these things
that are obviously misdirections, and as soon

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as he threw out that six months
of rent idea, suddenly well okay and

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yeah, and it just didn't work. But the fact is, Keaton is

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the star of this movie. He
has the best performance, he has the

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most interesting character, and yes,
he is an awful person, awful person,

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but at the same time, he's
fun to watch. He's he does

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so much. In some of these
these quick scenes where he's supposed to be

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creepy, he's downright. I mean
he'll make your skin crawl. Like the

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when he's just sitting in the garage, he's first of, yeah, like

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you said, he rolls up,
I mean serious, Bruce Wayne vibes here

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he comes up and that like that
seventy seven Porsche nine to eleven. Yeah,

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and just like, oh, I'm
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I just give you. Yeah,
he's totally giving you the Bruce Wayne effect

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there. But when when she's trying
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the power yeah breakers and she's he's
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you know, mister Hayes. And
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he's kind of what is he like, he's like kind of fidgeting with that

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razorblade. Yeah, he does that
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he spoke his cigarette just watching her. Now, see this kind of

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felt disjointed because wasn't he supposed to
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told mother Bodine. Yeah, he
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gonna be in Well his said that's
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here, so why is he there? You know? You know when he

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has the roaches they crawled off over
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like crawling. Ever, that's Tracy
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stomping on him instead of using his
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actor. You know, we we
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bat Well, he's Bob the goon
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just he's just worked with with the
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Keaton got him the role. I
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need someone I got. I got
a friend. You know, I got

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a guy. You know, he
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for a day's work, he's fun. I love that guy. I love

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ranch hand that there was the cook
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he's a great actor. Speaking of
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was trying to get the role of
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read that too, Christopher. So
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role and was turned down. Now
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yeah, Superman, Superman can't be
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think about him in Sidney Lummet's death
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one a while back. I could
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could too, But I don't know. I don't think it's I don't think

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it feels the same. I'm not
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nobody thought Michael Keaton could be Batman, and here he did it.

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it. Yeah, it's you know, ultimately, it's it's one of those

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rare moments where Batman defeats Superman off
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one way or the other, one
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got it? Yeah? Exactly?
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of Uh, there's some great character
actors in play here. We already talked

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about a couple of them. Love
seeing Mako. You know, he's he's

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the good, the good Tenant,
you know him and his wife. That

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guy's fantastic. You got Dan Hadea, Jerry Harden people probably know from X

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Files Dayton. How about how about
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it fair to say you're not getting
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You know what I don't know.
I don't think it was her fault

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because if if you know, Matthew
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everything up. He literally made the
job harder on her. Noah, Okay,

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that's true. If he just if
he just if he just knew the

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rules, he wouldn't have needed her
to begin with. See, I don't

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know those things that bothered me about
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and they don't know the rules.
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I mean Carter Hayes, he's he's
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that she plays, you know,
immediately she's like, here's my base fee,

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here's my hourly fee, and if
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other. She's like dropping all these
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the court and the judge is like, yeah, let's let's move on,

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and she's like, uh yeah,
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and even mathemdes like the hell just
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it was because he turned off the
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tell her that. So it's I
don't blame her. And besides, I've

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talked to enough lawyers. That's pretty
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gonna cost you before I get it, and this is what's gonna happen.

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You know, I'm just not all
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d Sorry, but I wouldn't know. I I all the lawyers that I

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that I'm friends with. Uh,
I think they would do a much better

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job than than this woman here.
But Dayton, let's a couple of cameos

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worth noting. Did you did you
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The director pops up at the was
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kind of talked about Melody Griffith is
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how to get even great. I
love that scene. Uh, fantastic moment

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where she kind of kind of turns
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kind of like they bumped shoulders.
She's leaving, he's coming off the elevator.

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He turns around and it's like,
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In that tense moment, you know
she's banking, you know, she's just

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frantically tapping the button for it to
close, and that hand stops. Just

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it's okay, just just some old
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be a John's lessenger doing a little
cameo, right, I think, awesome

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cameo has got to be Tippy Hedrod. Yes, it was. It's awesome

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to see her in this. Well, you know, it's one of those

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that I didn't notice, Like I'm
watching the movie, I'm looking her when

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she looks familiar? Why does she
look familiar? And that's what the creds

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like, huh okay, I got
it now. Dating For those listening that

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aren't familiar with the name Tippy Hedron, you want to you want to break

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it down, like, why is
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What's she famous for? Tippy Hedron
was probably best known for her one of

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my favorite Hitchcock films, The Birds, And of course she appears in Marnie

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as well, which unfortunately I have
not seen that one. That's a fun

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one. That's what I've heard.
I haven't gotten around to it. I

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feel terrible since I am a fan
of his. You want to know what

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she's what else she's she's known for? What's that she happens to be the

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real life mother of Melanie Griffith.
That's right. Okay, they were in

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the movie Roar together, only Griffith
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Okay, no, thank you.
Yes, so she does the birds

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that terrified her and then she does
a movie called Roar with Melanie Griffith where

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there's real untrained lions. So as
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think that works. No, Daton, I'm gonna put you on the spot

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here because you are you are,
You're known for your excellent music taste.

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There's one other cameo in this movie. Uh did you catch the band?

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Uh? Sound Garden is on the
TV? Yes, and there's a I

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haven't I haven't figured out yet.
There was a metal song playing on the

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radio when they saw the car all
taken apart in the garage, and I

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can't place it. It's been bugging
me. I have to go look it

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up. But there was Yeah,
but yees, sound Garden was on the

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TV. Yeah, same same thing. I couldn't tell who was on the

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radio in the garage. I recognized
it, but I couldn't place it.

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Yeah, but but sound Garden,
the Soundgarden's unmistakable when you hear Yeah,

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when you hear Soundgarden, you know
it. I'm like, So, Drake

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might not be that likable, but
at least he has a good taste,

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you know when he's watching music videos. Right, yes, Dayton. Uh,

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not a whole lot to dig up
on this movie as far as the

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film background goes, what do you
got? Well, we already mentioned the

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possibility of Christopher Reeve playing the part, but the writer his name pines Daniel

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Pine. Daniel Pine right. Apparently
he actually had rented an apartment out and

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the tenant turned out to be awful, probably not quite as awful as our

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villain in this one, but it
was that experienced it too that set him

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to writing the screenplay for this movie. Now, this is one of his

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first big breakthroughs as far as a
screenplay goes for a feature. Yeah,

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that's what I saw too. Fun
fact, you know, where'd this guy

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come from? It just so happens. He wrote one episode of the Equalizer

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in nineteen eighty six, then wrote
from Miami Weiss from eighty four to eighty

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eight. So some of his other
his other screenplays, I know you've seen

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these movies, Dayton. He wrote
doc Hollywood. He did the Sum of

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All Fears. When they tried to
reboot the whole Clancy thing. He did

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Fracture, which I think is an
excellent film Anthony Hopkins. And and he

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co wrote Any Given Sunday with Oliver
Stone. So not a bad not a

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bad group of writing credits there,
No, not not not too bad.

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Right, I got a fun,
fun thing here for you when this one

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came out. So, Carter Hayes
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people and the law. In an
article for the Chicago Tribune, famed San

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Francisco author and real estate investor Jack
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quote, a legitimate training film to
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of tenants screening. Yes, I'll
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you know, if I ever had
a thought of I think I'll buy

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a place, fix it up,
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me off to that that idea.
Yeah, my parents owned a condo for

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a long time, and once they
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looking after it, and then they
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on it, and the place was
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I'm like, yeah, no,
thank you, no, thank you

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very much. Indeed, like like
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destroyed where like the fixtures are gone, the bathtub's gone. Not quite that

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bad, but there were holes in
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things like that. It was,
it definitely was, you know, you

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know, let's try to clean it
up and just get rid of it.

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Wow. Yeah, I'll tell you
what, Dad, And we're gonna take

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a quick break. When we returned, though, we will discuss the movie's

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pivotal scene, give you some background
on John's lessenger, and we'll discuss some

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of his impressive philmography. Hi,
I'm dating the host of the Docum Basivity

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I podcast. We talk about everything
from Anthrax to the Muppets to West Side

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Story. All Right, boys,
buckle up, because we have hit the

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bottom of the barrel. Because he
slaughters all the Tuscan Raiders. The fact

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that she stays by his side,
that that tells me everything I need to

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know about these women that write letters
to the serial killers in prison. You

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know, it makes it made sense, you know, Moby Young sad always

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dumped Tim. That was the theme
song. You know when you listen,

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Tim, did you have the volume
on? The witches are definitely much more

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nightmare fuel, but the fact that
they look like the Texas Chainsaw centerfolds.

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If Jango Fett is so awesome,
he's hired to be cloned. Why the

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hell isn't he doing the job?
He like my clients getting impatient? Well,

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you slack ass mother, won't you
do it? You know you're just

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check us out on Apple podcast,
good Pods, pod Bean or wherever you

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get your podcasts. Okay, Jason, test of our friendship? Which is

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better Van Halen or Van hagar Man? Honestly, I think Van hagar has

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better music. Oh no, no, no, no, it's Van Hampy

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wrong. What about Michael Jackson's bad
album versus Michael Jackson's thriller out Thriller obviously

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best seller ever? No, no, see people tricked themselves and believe that

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it's actually bad. Okay, Trading
Places versus Coming to America. Trade Places

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is the funnier movie out of this
down. No, We're Coming to America

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is the funniest movie of all time. So if you find yourself backing one

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of us or the other of us. You need to be listening to the

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Sureley you Can't Be Serious podcasts.
That's right. We have a friendly discussion.

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D and I are best buddies,
and we take a deep dive and

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look at the behind the scenes stuff, the history and the fun facts of

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all these wonderful movies and music from
our youth. It's really just an opportunity

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for us to geek out about the
things that we really loved growing up.

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For example, do you know the
actor that was in Star Wars, Batman

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eighty nine and Raiders of the Lost
Ark. Yeah, Chris Harrison Ford.

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Harrison Ford was in Batman? Oh
yeah, Billy D. Williams. Billy

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D. Williams was not in Raiders
of the Lost Stark. Who was it.

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Well, you've got to tune in
to the Surely you Can't Be Serious

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podcast. When we discussed Raiders of
the Lost Dark Presses back to the future

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to find out the answer, we
are back with Dayton Johnson. Dayton,

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let's talk about the pivotal scene in
Pacific Heights. And I'm not talking about

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like the climactic moment, you know, I'm just talking about a scene that

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you know, really tells you a
lot about this movie without telling you a

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lot about the movie. You got
something like that in mine. Yeah,

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actually, the we kind of briefly
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the scene that really makes the movie
better and kind of takes us to the

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end is when they finally evict Carter
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to get into the department and it's
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the appliances are gone, the toilet, I mean everything. There's holes

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in the floor, there's nothing but
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spent so much time and effort and
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on you know, Melie Griffin's faith
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actually that's at the moment that I
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it's it's also like you can see
the look on everybody's face it's in

404
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:12.759
there with her, like they're like, oh my god, I can't believe

405
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:18.720
what we're seeing. But it's that
moment that jump starts the last third of

406
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.079
the film. You know, it's
when she goes, I'm gonna go find

407
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.039
out where this guy went. I'm
gonna do my own investigating because at this

408
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.400
point, you know, Matthew Medean's
character is in the hospital. You know,

409
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.440
he's useless, he's been shot and
everything. He's just useless. So

410
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:36.240
it we finally get to see what
her character is capable of, and you

411
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.400
know, she goes and finds him
and then breaks into his room and does

412
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:42.279
all that stuff, which is great. You know. So I really like

413
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.640
that scene because when they opened that
because you're because you want to see what's

414
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.319
in there. We've been hearing noises
and stuff like that. We know the

415
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.599
roach is coming from there. We
want to know what it looks like.

416
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.640
And when that door opens, and
I'm just like, oh shit, yeah,

417
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:03.240
that's terrible. That's awful. On
day one, we're hearing incessant banging,

418
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.160
like banging from a hammer and she's
like, was it what were you?

419
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:07.839
What were you hitting with a hammer? He's like, wasn't me.

420
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.759
I didn't do that, you know. And then and then it's power tools

421
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:12.880
at all hours of the night,
and you yeah, you're right, man,

422
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.640
You're just you can't wait to see, like what has been going on

423
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.039
in this movie, in this in
this apartment, his his associate Greg,

424
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:30.079
who's always opening the door for him. That's uh, that's Luca bervo COVICI

425
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.480
sure, well he's he's I don't
know if you I don't know if you

426
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.799
knew this. He's actually he's a
director. He directed Ghulies in nineteen eighty

427
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.920
four. Okay, love Gulies.
I just you know, as soon as

428
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:48.920
I saw his face, as soon
as I saw his face, I was

429
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.519
like, hey, I know that
director. I just assume all this,

430
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.960
all that hammering and sawing and cutting. I just like, he's just building

431
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.759
sets for another movie. But yeah, but man, when they bust open

432
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:04.519
the the door finally to force forcibly
evict him, you know, the cop

433
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.960
and the locksmith, they're like they're
covering their nose, like clearly there's a

434
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.319
there's a stench in there. And
you're right, man, your your heartbreaks

435
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.480
from Melanie Griffith in this moment because
the look of devastation on her face.

436
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.000
She was the one that put that
place together. She's the like I said,

437
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.720
she's the one with a nail gun. She's the one painting and put

438
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.079
it all together. I was so
happy to see what she does. I'll

439
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.240
tell you, speaking of Greg the
associate, I think for me, the

440
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:36.920
pivol scene was when Drake was in
the crawl space and he's spying on Carter

441
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.720
and Greg and learns Carter's true motives
as a con artist that destroys people's lives

442
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.599
for profit. I mean, think
about this, because we you know,

443
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.960
at this point we're starting to put
it together. Carter Hayes's he doesn't need

444
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:56.599
money. You know, he comes
from a pretty significant family. He's got

445
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.880
a trust. I mean, he
is legitimately he is evil. He's just

446
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:05.759
doing this just to do it,
because that's a psychopath. It's terrible.

447
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:12.599
It's terrible. So Dayton, how
about a little background on our director,

448
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.039
John s Lessenger? Can I can
I? Can I offer you some stuff

449
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.359
before we get into this phimography?
Sure? All right? So John s

450
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:24.880
Lessenger was it was an Oscar winning
director who got his start in filmmaking on

451
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:30.559
the battlefields of World War Two while
serving with the Royal Engineers for the British

452
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:36.519
Army. That's how about that for
a start and film that's impressive. Yeah.

453
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.440
After his tour duty, he continued
making short films with the Oxford University

454
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:45.440
Dramatic Society during his college years and
throughout the fifties, he worked as an

455
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.279
actor in British film and television,
but he gives all that up in the

456
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:54.160
sixties to pursue a career in directing. Nineteen sixty one, his documentary Terminus

457
00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:00.759
wins a British Academy Award, and
several of his projects gain him critical acclaim

458
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:07.920
on the film festival circuit. Nineteen
sixty nine, he reaches international fame with

459
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:12.599
his film Midnight Cowboy, for which
he wins the Academy Award for Best Director.

460
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.799
And if that wasn't enough of a
prestigious honor, in nineteen seventy,

461
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:24.519
at the Queen's Birthday Honors, Queen
Elizabeth the second appoints him Commander of the

462
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.519
Order of the British Empire. That
sounds impressive. I don't know what that

463
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.119
means, but it sounds impressive.
Look, we he's got thirty two credits

464
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.000
to his name. As far as
as far as directing goes. You know,

465
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.200
we're talking TV, we're talking talking
film. We're not gonna talk about

466
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:44.079
all of them. Let's let's let's
focus on a couple just because they were

467
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:46.720
they're big, they're a big form, right, So let's start with nineteen

468
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:52.079
sixty nine. Dat and I gotta
believe you've you've seen Midnight Cowboy. Yeah,

469
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.720
I have it. I have a
copy of him myself as well.

470
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.640
So yeah, it's you know,
it's one of those movies that I think,

471
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.599
but if you're a you know,
a cinephile like us, moving Nerds

472
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.079
or whatever, it has to be
in your collection, you know, you

473
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.639
have you have to know it and
seen it in multiple times. And yeah,

474
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:13.039
it's a big deal. It was. It was a very high point

475
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.639
in the sixties early seventies the wave
filmmaking was changing, you know, so

476
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:21.079
that was a big one. It's
a big one. Would you say,

477
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.920
is it fair to say that this
kind of launched the careers of Dustin Hoffman

478
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:30.440
and John Voight? Uh? Voight? Probably because I can't think of anything

479
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:36.639
before seventy one that these guys were
in that that were that big. Right.

480
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.519
When was the graduate? Oh?
Yeah, you know what, you're

481
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:42.960
right, the graduate? Uh,
I think it's a little before that Graduate

482
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.760
might be a little bit before.
Yeah, yeah, it was around the

483
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.440
same time. So yeah, but
either way, you got but that's two

484
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.239
very different Dustin Hoffman's too, That's
true, two very different. So yeah,

485
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.280
did uh did you happen to see
in nineteen seventy one, he does

486
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.400
Sunday Bloody Sunday. Did you happen
to see that one? I have not

487
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.199
seen that one. I'll tell you
what. I want to see it for

488
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.239
a couple of reasons. First off, he's nominated for Best Director again.

489
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:14.639
It's stars Peter Finch, who we
talked about a few weeks back on our

490
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.360
nineteen seventy six series Network Great movie, Great great movie, great movie.

491
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.599
And also and co stars Murray Head. Yeah that Murray Head. That that

492
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:27.079
that did that gave us one night
in Bangkok. Oh right, oh okay,

493
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:29.719
gotcha? Yeah I had to place
that, okay, Yeah, oh

494
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.400
really I didn't. How about that? That's interesting. I'm putting I'm putting

495
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.639
a Sunday Bloody Sunday on the list
to watch. It's a cool title.

496
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.599
It's a cool title. It is
a cool title, right, interesting,

497
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.760
interesting premise of the movie. Do
you do you even know what the movie

498
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.719
is about? Very little? Very
little? Yeah, it's one of those

499
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:52.639
obviously. It's character driven. It's
a it's all about a polyamorous relationship between

500
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:59.400
a young artist and a male doctor
and a frustrated female office worker that could

501
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:01.400
go places, you know, they
could definitely want to definitely want to check

502
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:07.199
that one out. Obviously, nineteen
seventy six, we've all seen marathon Man,

503
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:15.239
right, Dayton, is it safe? Another another Dustin Hoffman, you

504
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.039
know, I mean another you know, yeah, pretty much can do everything,

505
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.039
Kenny. We yeah, we talked
about it on the marathon Man episode.

506
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:27.280
Hoffman didn't even like the book that
William Goldman did, but he took

507
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.920
the role mainly, you know,
because he wanted to work with the John

508
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:37.239
Slessinger agin right, and you know, secondarily just to slight Alpacina, who

509
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.280
he was competing with quite a bit
back then. But which to me,

510
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:45.519
I don't I always thought that was
a very interesting rivalry because to me,

511
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.159
they don't look they don't. I'm
not looking at one, you know,

512
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.760
I'm not looking at them for the
same roles. So that's what not really

513
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.000
not really you know, well,
okay, let me it's okay. So

514
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:04.800
it's it's the early seventies. You've
got this role, and In walks early

515
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:08.400
seventies Alpaccino, thank thank god Father, Thank god Father one right, right,

516
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:15.320
and then the graduates, you know, Dustin Hoffman walks In, I

517
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.719
mean, they they similar build around
the same age Yeah, they got that

518
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.719
everyman look, but that also could
be a lady man. I don't know,

519
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.320
Man, I could I could say
I can understand why they would be

520
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.280
competing for the same roles. Yeah, I still see My brain seems to

521
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.559
go to later movies more than anything. I And also I love the Graduate

522
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.480
so much. I see that Dustin
Hoffman, and I see like Dog Day

523
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.960
Afternoon, al Pacino and stuff like
that. So I see them very differently.

524
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.280
Okay, that's fair, that's fair, Dayton. Let's skip ahead.

525
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:52.400
Uh, let's let's blast forward into
the future. Nineteen eighty five. Have

526
00:37:52.519 --> 00:38:00.239
you ever seen the Falcon and the
Snowman once on cable years ago? Years

527
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:01.800
ago? I had, I have, I've always thought once. I'm gonna

528
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.679
tell you right now. I saw
this for the first time last week.

529
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.320
Oh yeah, yeah, Timothy Hutton
and Sean Penn. This is this is

530
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.880
a very young Timothy Hutton, Sham
Penn, Shaan Pen. I think this

531
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.239
is like what three years after Fast
Times at ridgment high. Yeah, this

532
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.920
is yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm telling you, still very very early

533
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.239
in their career. Still. Yeah, And I know, like you said,

534
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.079
I know you said you haven't You
probably haven't seen this in a while.

535
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:31.519
But man, the performance that Sean
Penn gives that that voice that he

536
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:35.599
kind of puts on. At first, I was like, what's he doing?

537
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.920
And then and I was all in. I was like, you know

538
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.400
what, I buy it. I
believe it. It wasn't it wasn't annoying.

539
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.239
You know, sometimes that actor will
take on a certain tone or a

540
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:46.960
voice and you're like, what what
are you doing? Right? And this

541
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.239
I totally bought it. You know, based on a true story. You

542
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.880
know, the two friends, you
know, kind of grew up together,

543
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:58.679
grew apart, and then uh,
you know, one's working for the government,

544
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.960
one's working one's a drug deal and
they become they become spy. They

545
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:07.039
become like informants. You know,
they're selling government secrets to the Soviet Union.

546
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.000
This movie is fantastic. It's it's
a talkie, uh to quote Brad

547
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.679
Cozo, Uh, it's a talkie. But it's also it's also like a

548
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.639
legitimate, you know, spy thriller
kind of a kind of thing going on.

549
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.559
Right. I love it. I
thought was awesome. What do you

550
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.280
think I like it? Well,
like I I want to remember it.

551
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.000
But I did appreciate the fact that
Sean Sean Penn at that when I was

552
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.159
trying to get away from Spacicoli,
you know, because he was uh and

553
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.360
he's proven himself to be a very
good actor, you know what I mean.

554
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.360
He was, Yeah, he was
more than just that surfer guy.

555
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:45.320
And at this point he decided to
leave that all behind him and do the

556
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.320
hard stuff, do the very dramatic
turns. With the exception of Shanghai's Surprise,

557
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.360
but we won't talk about that.
We won't talk about that one.

558
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:57.559
But I'll be honest for for anyone
that has seen Sean Penn, the adult

559
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:01.679
Sean Pen and something like Mystic River
or Dead Man Walking and and there and

560
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.000
they and they look at him and
they go, holy holy cow. That

561
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.159
guy was Spaccoli. You know,
how how did he get from Spaccoli to

562
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:13.840
these incredible performances? And I'm telling
you right now, if you want to

563
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.039
see the transition, it's in nineteen
eighty five The Falcon and the Snowman where

564
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:22.480
he plays Dalton Lee. He says, this, this this character, it's

565
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.599
it's him, just just you know, taking it to eleven. I love

566
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.480
it. I absolutely loved it.
You know. It was nice and and

567
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.519
you know, and I know,
I know you're probably not remembering this,

568
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.360
but uh, you know, you
got pat Hingele in there. This It

569
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.280
kind of kind of for me for
a minute because like this is a very

570
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.480
in shape pat Hingle. You know, he plays uh he plays Timothy Hutton's

571
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.880
dada former former FBI guy. And
I'm like, Wow, there's you know,

572
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:52.000
Commissioner Gordon, you know, back
to Batman. You know, there

573
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.760
there's commission and there's we just can't
get away from that, can't we.

574
00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:59.800
Yeah, there's there's Bubba from the
Dixie Land, you know, drive in

575
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:05.199
maximum over drive, but he's he
is in fantastic shape here man, and

576
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:07.760
he's he's it's a great performance.
You know, there's some there's some powerful

577
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.400
scenes between him and Timothy Hutt and
the whole father Son, you know,

578
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.039
dynamic, great film. You know, I should probably stop talking because you

579
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:20.760
know, people are gonna be like, is this a Pacific Heights episode or

580
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.239
a Falcon Stoneman episode. Let's let's
move on. Two years later, in

581
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:30.639
nineteen eighty seven, he's back at
the thriller genre with the believers. Yeah,

582
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.360
this one I have not seen.
You haven't seen this one? No,

583
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:37.639
I seen it once. When I
was a kid. You know,

584
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.519
it only been out, you know, so I probably saw it maybe eighty

585
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.440
nine, eighty eight, eighty nine
when it was on cable. It's one

586
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:51.280
of those it's spooky and it's it's
a thriller because you don't know what's going

587
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.400
on. You know, there's some
child there's a cult involved, and some

588
00:41:54.480 --> 00:42:00.639
child sacrifice stuff happening. Martin Sheen
just at his Martin sheenist in this movie.

589
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.639
Well yeah, I read the description. I'm like, Okay, maybe

590
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.119
I need to look this one up
because this sounds interesting. I tell you,

591
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.559
you know, please check it out. I think I think you'd be

592
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.480
happy with it. Plus, you
got Robert Loggia. You know he's getting

593
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.280
everything right. Yes, yeah,
yeah, you can't go wrong with him.

594
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.400
No, really really cool movie.
I think you'd like that one.

595
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.440
I didn't want to keep talking about
it because I don't want to accidentally give

596
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.840
something away, because I know you
want to see it. You know,

597
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.000
we've been talking about Pacific Heights.
This episode, which came out in nineteen

598
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:36.239
ninety. This is where you know, he starts to dip back into the

599
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:42.320
TV movies a little bit. Shows
back up in nineteen ninety six with yet

600
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.840
another thriller, talking about Eye for
an Eye did not like it? You

601
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:52.039
didn't like it? No, I
did not like it? Why not it?

602
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.679
I don't know? Okay, So
is this I mean, given the

603
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:58.960
subject matter, is it is it? Is it just kind of touchies?

604
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.440
You know you're a father of a
daughter. Is it? Did that kind

605
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.480
of play a part? And you're
like no, no, because I saw

606
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.480
it. I saw it back in
the day, and I remember sitting through

607
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:09.679
it and going, I just don't
like this movie. It just seemed silly.

608
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:15.079
It seemed it wasn't interesting for me. I mean, I'm all about

609
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.239
you know, you know, revenge
and stuff like that. But to me,

610
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:22.679
it just kind of felt like it
just didn't It didn't flow, It

611
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.320
didn't string together very well. I
just didn't really care when movies all the

612
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.159
day whatever. Really, I'm surprising, man, I see. I kind

613
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.239
of looked at it as you know, this is like the female version of

614
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:39.559
death Wish, and it's from from
someone very unassuming because it's Sally Field.

615
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:43.639
Yeah. I love Sally Field,
but I just you know, she wasn't

616
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.840
enough for me to enjoy this movie. Oh she didn't have to be enough,

617
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.880
because, like you know, you
know, she it's tragic. You

618
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.960
know, her daughter is raped and
murdered by Keith for Sutherland, you know,

619
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:59.559
he plays the villain in this and
he is he is just he's chewing

620
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.639
through the sea. He's awesome,
especially in their courtroom scene where he you

621
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.360
know, he kind of you know, he challenges Sally Field, but also

622
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.840
kind of mimics her daughter's stutter.
You know. Oh, man, See,

623
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.039
Okay, I gotta remember, at
this point in my life, I

624
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:20.159
hated him because after all, that's
right, you've got a whole key for

625
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.840
sells and hate things. Well,
he was such a horrible person stand By

626
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.239
Me. I didn't like him in
Lost Boys. So at that point I'm

627
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.559
just kind of like, I'm you
know what, I really didn't give a

628
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.239
crap what he did until he just
started doing the TV series twenty four.

629
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.599
At that point I'm like, Okay, at least he seems like a decent

630
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.719
person. I hated him at this
point. So yeah, it just I

631
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.960
don't understand it, man, because
stand by Him. First off, you

632
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:46.440
know, for listeners that loved our
eighty six series, you did proclaim that

633
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:50.480
stand By Me is the best movie
of nineteen eighty six. Yes, I

634
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.840
did. I understand you hate his
character, but I mean, is it

635
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.159
is it? Is it okay to
you can hate a character but love the

636
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.119
actor because they were so good,
right you? Him? I started to

637
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:05.159
get the feeling that he was a
little bit too much like the people he's

638
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.880
playing. So so I was just
like, ah, I had to I

639
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.199
had a mental block. I had
a mental block in him for a very

640
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:14.079
long time. So just just why
don't you do like a Young Guns double

641
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.159
feature? Because he's he's a he's
so heroic as Josi, a duck skirlock,

642
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.639
you know. Yeah, but he's
not the reason I like those movies.

643
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:24.719
So he's fine, he's better in
those. But yeah, and I

644
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:27.320
just didn't do it for me.
It just didn't do it for me in

645
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.920
general. All right, let me
ask you, Okay, so let's talk

646
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.440
about Slessenger's last film, because I
want to know if you know what your

647
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.559
thought? Did this one do it
for you? Because this one was very

648
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.440
divisive with critics and the audience.
I'm talking about. In two thousand,

649
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:46.519
he does the next Best Thing with
Madonna and who was it? Rupert?

650
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:52.599
Uh? Yeah? Whatever? Ever? Yeah, yeah, okay, So

651
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:58.079
I love Rupert Everett. He was
he stole the movie in my best Friend's

652
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.840
Wedding by far, even though he
was barely in the movie, he stole

653
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.559
it. But to me, I
remember, I remember watching most of that

654
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.400
movie and I wasn't engrossed enough to
finish it. It was one of the

655
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.920
things that was on cable and I
started watching it, and then I just

656
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.960
kind of was like, yeah,
right, whatever, don't no, you're

657
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.960
you know what you were right,
because while Rupert Effort, you know,

658
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.440
I mean, you know, like
you said, he steals a show on

659
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.360
my best friend's wedding, he's steal
in the show here, you know,

660
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.320
arguably is he is it kind of
the same character? Maybe you know it's

661
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.320
the girl's best friend. You know, your lead is Madonna, though,

662
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.840
and unless you've got unless you're gonna
surround her with a great cast like you

663
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.800
do in a league of their own, right, Madonna is not going to

664
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.639
lead. She's not gonna carry a
movie just bottom line, right, which

665
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.280
she's never been able to. She
she didn't carry a legue of their own

666
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.639
that was a great Ensolvell cast.
So yeah, no, that's I just

667
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.559
that's a that's a great movie that
just happens to have Madonna in it.

668
00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:59.599
You know, yes, I don't. I would never say, oh,

669
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.199
that's a Donna movie. If anything, it's a Gina Davis movie, you

670
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:06.239
know, you know, yeah,
I don't know the next best thing.

671
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.920
You know, you got Madonna,
because this is believable Madonna. Who looks

672
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.880
this is prime Madonna? Right,
this is two thousand. Can't find a

673
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:20.559
guy? You know, she's pushing
pushing forty or whatever if I remember,

674
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.719
right, and you know, just
wants to have a kid, and then,

675
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:29.679
for reasons that are ridiculous, has
a one night stand with her gay

676
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:34.360
friend played by Rupert Everett. Oh
guess what, They're having a baby,

677
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.840
you know, and then it's the
whole you know, he's got to play

678
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:40.960
the whole protective I'm her best friend, I'm I'm the kid's father. You

679
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:44.840
know. Yeah, it's like you
can't even you can't even be like,

680
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:49.599
you know, Benjamin Bratt, who
you know again? Nineties nineties Bratt,

681
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.400
two thousands Bratt? How are you
going to say no to that guy?

682
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.000
He's he's he oozed his charm,
right, he was. He was like

683
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.199
the next lou Diamond Phillips. So
like, how is he not good enough

684
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.159
for anybody? Right, it's my
question. But I don't know the movie.

685
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:06.480
It didn't do, it didn't do
well. I'm with you, though,

686
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.039
I just like great premise for you
know, a great story, great

687
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.960
premise, but you got the wrong
people involved. I think. Yeah,

688
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.679
honestly, if you look going back
to his filmography and just with the ones

689
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:21.199
I've seen, Honestly, in my
mind, he peaked with Marathon Man.

690
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.199
Whoa, that's the name. One's
better than that name. One after that,

691
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.960
that's better than that old I'm not
on trial here, man, I

692
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.719
didn't say you were, but if
you look, if you look through his

693
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:37.559
filmography, and I just don't think
he made a movie better than Marathon Man

694
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:43.079
after that, because it certainly is
not better than Marathon Man. Just it's

695
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.519
okay, No, I'm not I'm
not gonna say. I'm not gonna compare

696
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.159
Pacific Heights to Marathon Man and say
which one is better? Because we know,

697
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.639
you know, Marathon Man is the
is the better of the two.

698
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.800
Let me ask you this, you
know, talking about his talking about filmography,

699
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.840
you know, Brad and I usually
talk about like, you know,

700
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:02.199
here's what we want to see next
from this director? You know, sadly,

701
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:06.760
you know I mean Slessenger has been
gone what twenty years now? Yeah,

702
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.800
sadly you know we're not going to
get another another movie from him.

703
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.599
But let me ask you this,
if we took let's just talk about John

704
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:22.119
S Lessenger thrillers, if if I
take Marathon Man out of the out of

705
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.400
the lineup, Okay, now we're
left with the Believers, Pacific Heights and

706
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:31.000
Eye for an Eye given your keep
for settling disdain. I don't know if

707
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.920
we're just talking about two movies,
what's dating what's the best thriller in the

708
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.519
lineup? There? Can I pick
when I haven't seen Okay, you're gonna

709
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.599
pay Believers. You haven't seen Believers, but you'd picked that over Pacific Heights.

710
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:49.480
Pacific Heights. The best part of
this movie is Michael Keaton. Then

711
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:55.760
that's in the rest of it,
which is not so good? If yeah,

712
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.280
so no to me. I remember
why watching it on cable when it

713
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:07.119
first hit cable years ago, and
you know, the my early twenties self

714
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.679
thought that was a really well this
is a good movie, and then watching

715
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:14.039
it again for this I'm kind of
like, yeah, it's not. It's

716
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:19.480
one of those that nostalgia didn't help
it I just I was so annoyed with

717
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:23.239
these people that kept doing the wrong
thing the whole time, and it's a

718
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:30.000
con is only really awesome when you're
fooling people that aren't easily fooled. The

719
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.719
You know, Matthew Medean's character was
an idiot, he really was, so

720
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.559
tricking him didn't take much, you
know, and he wasn't likable, so

721
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.480
it's hard for me to root for
him. Like I said, when they

722
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.719
opened up that apartment and Melie Griffith
is devastated, okay, I started liking

723
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.480
her and was rooting for her.
Honestly, I didn't care, you know.

724
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.000
I was kind of hoping that,
you know, Emodean's character did get

725
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.800
murdered by the nine Iron because wow, okay, so so you're not rooting,

726
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.519
you're not rooting for the movie.
It's a recommenda. You wouldn't recommend

727
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:06.480
this one. I would say watch
it for Michael Keaton. His performance is

728
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.639
really good and he is a great
villain. So if you watch it going,

729
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.840
if you go in going I'm gonna
watch this because of him, then

730
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.599
yes, but there's no other reason
to watch this movie. In my mind,

731
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:22.920
I will respectfully disagree. I will
I will agree. I will agree

732
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.960
with you that Michael Keaton is electrifying
in this role. He's awesome to watch,

733
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.760
but I will respectfully disagree. There's
a whole lot more than Michael Keaton.

734
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:37.320
This is. This is a slick
thriller that puts ordinary people uh in

735
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:44.320
jeopardy against a realistic antagonist. You
know, you can watch you can watch

736
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:49.159
a slasher film and and not be
too scared because there is no boogeyman with

737
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.480
an axe or a hatchet or a
machete that's gonna stalk you. Michael Keaton

738
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.480
can stalk you. And he's smart
because he knows how to bend the law

739
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.400
to make it work for him.
He's great at manipulate people. And there

740
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:06.280
are people like that in society today
and that's what makes it that's what makes

741
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.880
it scary. Uh. Yeah,
I'm I'm definitely. I mean, I'm

742
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.280
all in on this movie. I
like we talked, we talked about that

743
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:17.400
sub genre of you know, married
couple meets unassuming threat and then gets terrorized.

744
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:20.599
I think this is one of the
better ones when it comes to that.

745
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:25.599
So I say see it. It's
streaming on Stars and I know it's

746
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:32.960
available to rent or purchase on Prime
dayton As. As you preach on your

747
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.119
podcast, physical, physical media is
better than streaming. I happen to have

748
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:43.199
a DVD of Pacific Heights. I'm
gonna ask you, how did you how

749
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.360
did you get this one? Watch
it onoo Oh it's okay, so it's

750
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.559
on vodoo also okay, good good
to know for the for those that use

751
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.960
Voodoo dayton I want to thank you
for for stopping in a lot of people,

752
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:59.840
a lot of our a lot of
our new listeners probably wouldn't know that.

753
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.320
You know, a couple of years
ago you you you started off here.

754
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:07.880
You know, yes, uh,
like our review mentioned some great series

755
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:14.840
that we do. You are a
a strong voice on on a couple of

756
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:19.760
our our limited series. I know
you have. You've been in the co

757
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:24.119
host chair once or twice for us, so it's always it's always happy to

758
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:29.880
have you back man and again.
Back to our limited series. Right now

759
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.519
we are we have we're like three
or four episodes into our new one nineteen

760
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.639
seventy six, where we are looking
at the iconic films of nineteen seventy six.

761
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:43.119
You got you got your own limited
series happening though on a docum Base

762
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:49.440
seventy seven. Yes, what's up? Well. The genesis for this series

763
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:53.239
was I was looking for playlists on
Spotify and I found one Best Songs in

764
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:57.360
nineteen seventy six, and I started
listening to it pretty frequently, and my

765
00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.760
brain just kind of went off,
like, man, there's a lot of

766
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:01.840
great music from that year. So
then I looked up all the albums that

767
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:07.760
were released in seventy six, and
I thought that is a great year for

768
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:09.559
rock music in particular. So I
decided, you know what, We're gonna

769
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:15.480
do seven episodes focusing on a single
album each time that we're all released in

770
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:19.440
nineteen seventy six. And so far
we've talked about jail Break from Thin Lizzy,

771
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.760
we talked about Steve Miller band Fly
Like an Eagle, And the next

772
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:29.199
one on list is twenty one twelve
from Rush. That'd be that'd be tomorrow,

773
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:34.559
right tomorrow. Awesome. Yeah,
I love it. It's a great

774
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.719
series. You know, I've been
loving it obviously. Uh, those of

775
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.440
you listening, if you're a fan
of movies from nineteen seventy six, there

776
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:50.639
is no better companion series than uh
than Dayton's and Getting the Music from seventy

777
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:57.840
six so and for those of you
that maybe maybe you missed here in Dayton

778
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.320
on the show or your new and
you you want to hear more of him.

779
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:07.920
Uh, stay tuned because next week
there is a a super episode that's

780
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:13.400
a that's a big collaboration. We've
done this once before, we're doing it

781
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:19.239
again. Next week. We'll be
giving you eighties movies? What was the

782
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:23.360
best year? Happy to say,
Uh, it's me, It's Dayton.

783
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:30.480
It's Jason Colvin from the Shirley Can't
Be Serious podcasts. It is def Dave

784
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:37.239
Wright from the American Soccer Quick Kicks
YouTube show. And he's you know,

785
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.440
we've had him on the show before
Dayton. I think you've had Deaf Dave

786
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.519
on twice. I know he's been
on Shirley. This is the guy.

787
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.360
You know, Hey, you need
a good opinion on music or movies from

788
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:50.639
the eighties, you called Deaf Dave
right, He's he was fun to talk

789
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:53.000
to you, and we got we
got John Reid from the thirty something podcast

790
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:59.480
to kind of keep us all online
moderate this thing. Yes, but we're

791
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:04.400
gonna talk about you know, obviously
I am a champion nineteen eighty six,

792
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:08.800
Dayton. You want to tell him
your year nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty

793
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:14.119
one, and uh we got Deff
Dave defending nineteen eighty four, Jason Colvin

794
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:16.599
talking up nineteen eighty nine. It
is gonna be a fun one, Dayton.

795
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:20.679
You're you're streaming it also next week? Right, yeah, I'll be

796
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.840
dropping it on my stream as well. Yep, okay, yeah wow.

797
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:28.559
Whether you're a fan of Docum Based
seventy seven, a film by show,

798
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:32.119
you can't be serious like it.
Wherever you're listening on next Tuesday, you're

799
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.199
gonna catch that episode. So it's
it's gonna be a lot of fun.

800
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.280
Speaking of fun, we always love
hearing, uh hearing from you, so

801
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.280
so please reach out. Let us
know what you think about Pacific Heights,

802
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.119
if you've seen it, if you
want to see it. You know we

803
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.199
can talk about Michael Keaton a little
bit more. You can do that at

804
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.559
www dot film by podcast dot com. You can always reach out to us

805
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:57.400
a film by podcast at gmail dot
com. And you can check us out

806
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.800
on social media at a film by
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Dayton. Where can they hear?
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On docum Base seventy seven, We
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Awesome stuff. All right, well, dayton I uh I'm gonna get ready

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for this. Uh this is uh
this eighties movies uh battle that we're about

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to have. I will see you
next week, sir, absolutely thanks for

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having me on