Lynne Ramsay - You Were Never Really Here

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we're going to talk about a film by

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Lynn Ramsey, her twenty seventeen underrated
thriller You Were Never Really Here. Hello

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everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson and welcome
back to a Film by podcast. Before

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we get going, I do want
to shout out one of our listeners,

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Sarah Simons on Spotify. Uh left
us a really cool comment about a recent

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episode we did, our Lee Daniels
episode covering The Paperboy. Sarah says,

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so great of you to cover this. I watched it when it came out

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and since then probably five times,
the last time being today. It's in

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my top five. Still always shocks
me like I watched it for the first

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time. Laugh hell loud, Sarah. I'm already wondering, like what if

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this one is in your top five
and it is a very It's a very

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great movie. Sarah if you're listening, we gotta we gotta know what the

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other four are in this top five. Please email us at a film by

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podcast at gmail dot com because if
you do, uh, we got we

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gotta, we gotta let we gotta
let the listeners know, and we got

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we gotta send you some a film
by swag. Moving on, I'd like

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to remind to all of you back
in January, I had the privilege of

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being on the Share a Sandwich podcast, and the host and creator of said

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podcast is with me today, Mary
Kay Holmes. Welcome to a Film Buy.

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Thank you. I'm so excited to
be here. We are excited to

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have you, and I got to
ask you to do something for me.

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For our listeners who may not know
about the share Sandwich podcast, can you

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give us a little background on how
this came to be and what it is

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all about. Sure. On the
shaff Sandwich podcast, I have a guest

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every week and they vary from just
all different types of people that I've met

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or have gotten to know, and
I ask the same ten questions of everyone

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and it's been more of a social
experiment for me than anything else. I

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during COVID and coming out of COVID. I sort of go really tired of

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small talk and the basic questions that
adults ask each other. Oh you know,

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what do you do? Blah blah
blah. So I started getting really

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into icebreakers and asking people questions like, Hey, you know, what's your

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favorite dinosaur? Because it's just not
something that adults talk about. So I

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wanted to make a podcast that was
just grown people asking each other questions that

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we don't normally ask each other.
It is absolutely fantastic. It's actually one

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of my favorite new pods. Please
check out Mary Kay on the Share a

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Sandwich podcast. We have got ourselves
a pretty fantastic director to discuss today and

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a movie that I think a lot
of people have not seen and probably need

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to see. Mary Kay, can
you tell our listeners a little bit about

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you were never really here? Yes, I agree with you, and that

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I had never heard of it until
you sent it to me. But essentially,

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it is about a traumatized veteran who
is unafraid of violence and he tracks

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down missing girls for a living.
So when one of his jobs spins completely

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out of control, his nightmares start
to overtake him as a conspiracy as uncovered,

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leading to what could be his death
trip or his awakening. I like

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how you I like how you said
that. That's uh. I mean true,

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I've seen the movie. I love
the movie, and I'm already intrigued

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to watch it again just based off
of that synopsis. I mean, the

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internet is a great place to help
put together a synopsis. So it was.

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This movie was amazing. It was
different than what I was expecting.

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What were you expecting? I mean, did you watch a trailer or did

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you just go in completely like unaware. I watched the trailer and I was

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essentially braced for sort of your standard
action thriller, you know, a lot

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of gratuitous violence and you know action
and certain you know, very sort of

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hyper masculine activities happening. And the
fact that w Quing Phoenix was in it

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was should have been a little bit
of a tip off that it was not

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going to be like a John Wicker, you know, but it was very

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different than that. The trailer and
the movie itself were very different. I

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mean it's you know, as I
mentioned, it's neo noir. This is

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a it's a it's a haunting film. Yeah, and it's and it's visually

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yeah, you know, we're talking
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New York. Mainly, it's not
like it's great to look at where

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where she's where Lynn Ramsey's shooting,
but it's still just it's it's visually stunning

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the way the way she shoots,
right, I mean it's like it's like

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slightly out of focus. Yeah,
cinematography, right, Yeah, cinematography is

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gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous. It's it's
you know, you can tell that she

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probably takes beautiful photographs. Her composition
and the way she puts everything together,

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there's there's energy put into every shot. Mm hmm, absolutely so. Jaquin

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Phoenix as Joe. During an interview
with Rolling Stone, he shared that Lynn

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Ramsey gave him an audio mix of
fireworks blended with gunshots to describe what's going

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on inside this character's head. And
when you when you know that and you

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watch this movie, because he's he's
got this this thousand yard stare through a

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lot of it, he's kind of
just like, is he is he is?

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He? Is he with us?
Or where's he at? And when

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you hear that, that's what's you
know, when you when you watch it

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again and you know, like that's
what's that's kind of like his inner monologue.

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For me, it put the movie
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I'm like, this guy is really
troubled. Yeah, no, and that's

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intense. I did not read that
one. I read different things, and

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it was the same thing with you
know, as I was going through like

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different synopsis online and reading things about
it, and they always kick it off

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with the veteran right up front,
within the first few words. And yes,

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there are moments that tell you that
he is a veteran, but I

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don't feel like there was a huge
emphasis put on it. But I do

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think that when you've been through a
traumatic situation like he clearly has in combat,

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that that is always in your mind. So knowing that she sort of

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gave him that soundscape for his thoughts, that's really that's really interesting. I

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think it's brilliant, and you know, it just it speaks to what kind

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of artist she is, I think, because this character he is, he's

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very damaged, and this is something
that we're This is a point like you

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know, mid you know, like
twenty fifteen, twenty seven, sixteen seventeen,

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this is where Joaquin's starting to take
on roles where he's playing these traumatized

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people, these these damaged people think
of him and Joker, you know,

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Todd Phillips Joker, which he'll do
a couple of years after this movie.

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You can kind of see where he
gets his inspiration for Arthur fleckin in this

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movie with with the character Joe.
He's just so damaged and like you talked

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about, like his military background.
We get very very brief flashbacks that Lynn

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Ramsey is giving us to kind of
show so who he is and why he

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is so traumatized. You know,
you know, we know he's an abuse

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child. You know he has observed
the violence, the extreme violence that his

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father has has done against his mother. You know, we talked about the

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horrors of war. You know,
he sees some pretty messed up stuff.

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But we again we see just just
flashes, like just quick images, like

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some like one image I had to
stop. I had to pause to go,

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did I see what I just saw? You know, because we know

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he's got a military background, we
know he has a background with the FBI,

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and this kind of all speaks to
this all kind of builds to this

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new career he has where's he's basically
saving young girls from from trafficking. Yeah,

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and I have to say the way
that she sort of shows these flashbacks

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to his time in combat, it's
very different than any other combat flashback I've

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ever seen before. It's yeah,
moments, these really sort of poignant and

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powerful moments that aren't your traditional you
know, something blowing up or something this

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happening or this happening. It's like
there's this tiny little thing that happens here

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and this tiny little thing that happens
here, and they're very specific. Yeah,

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It's it's really powerful the way that
she does it. They're specific because

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they also they force you to ask
questions because it really puts you inside his

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headspace. You know. We get
a brief, like a one second shot

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of like two soldiers just playfully dancing
together, and you know, and you're

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like, what's what's going on there? And then you see like this quivering

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foot and you're like, wait,
who is that? What's going on?

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And then when you kind of put
and she has these extreme close ups that

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are slightly out of focus. So
it really puts you in this person's mind

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because like when you think, like
you know, when we when we experience

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trauma and we we think back or
were it kind of jamsus, you know,

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kind of jams us up, and
you know, we're kind of we're

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in our own headspace. It's it's
fuzzy, and maybe we don't remember things

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coherently. And I think what she's
doing here is brilliant, honestly, when

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she's explaining who he is. I
love it. Yeah, No, I

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fully agree with you on that.
I fully agree. And what's interesting is

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that that tiny moment of him dancing
in the desert with the other man,

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if it is even him, I
don't even know if it was him.

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I think it was just two men
dancing together. There is a moment later

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in the movie that if you sort
of like draw the straight line between those

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two moments, you can make an
assumption about him and something about him,

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you know, which is not overt
and it's not discussed, and it also

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is just a thing that happens,
but it gives you just that extra,

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tiny, little paper thin layer of
who he is, very subtle layers.

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I think, as we try to
unravel who Joe is and where he comes

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from, there's a lot of questions
that you and up asking yourself. Yeah,

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for sure, a lot is co
star fourteen year old Ekaterina sampson Off

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is in the role of the governor's
daughter or the Senator. I'm sorry,

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excuse me, the Senator's daughter.
Nina, this young lady. So she's

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born to a Ukrainian mother and a
Russian father. She's got dual citizenship,

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and she did a few indies before
this, but currently she's making her living

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as a model. Her performance is
a little creepy, am I am,

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I out align with that, like, I don't know, she feels kinda

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I don't know, eth rul,
like she's just I don't I don't trust

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her. I want I want him
to save her. I want him to

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help her. But she almost doesn't
seem like the quintessential victim, even though

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she is a major victim. Yes, right, does she carry herself like

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that? Is it just me?
Or what's your take? Mary? Kay?

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Well, it's really it's interesting that
you say that because there's sort of

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this first of all, just side
note. She reminded me a lot of

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Hunter Schaeffer from Euphoria. I don't
know if you ever watched Euphoria, but

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from and I'm like, wait,
wait, wait is that Hunter? And

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I look it up because very similar
sort of look But what's interesting is,

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you know, we get used to
in film and television seeing these abused women

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and girls in this certain way,
right, and so there are these assumptions

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that that is how it is.
And I think that there is sort of

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the vibe that I got from her
is that she's having this sort of out

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of body experience, right. And
you've heard that, you know, I've

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read that before from people who say, when you're in these horrific situations,

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all you can do is just leave
your body because there's nothing you can do

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otherwise. And so she's so young, and if she's been dealing with this

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horrific trauma for years, it's possible
that she is just so disconnected, you

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know when they go to her eating
at the end, sitting there, I

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mean, you know, but at
the same time, like she's probably hungry

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and you know, like there's food. So it's it's an interesting disconnect that

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kind of gives us this insight into
man, how how do you move forward

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from that? When you have been
so brutalized, you know, how do

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you put yourself back together and then
sort of you know, slide yourself into

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society and move forward. I mean, that's I can't imagine it's easy.

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Yeah, I mean people still have
to eat, they still have to sleep.

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You know, slipping throats makes you
hungry, right, Mary Kay,

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It's a lot of work. It's
a lot of work. Uh, you

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know, I listeners, I probably
suld have said this, but this movie

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is streaming on Prime if you you
know, if you want to spoiler free

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type of assessment, go see it. Come back to us. But you

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know, we're not worry I I
don't think we should only think back,

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do you, Mary Kay? No, I think we should go back.

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I also think that there's like a
huge, you know, trigger warning on

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this movie for many different reasons,
so, you know, triggered by that

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type of stuff. Then maybe this
will sort of give them the opportunity to

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say, you know, I'm not
going to watch this one. Maybe I'll

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just listen to the podcast and not
watch the actual film. Absolutely, and

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it's I love the I love the
point that you made with her at the

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end of the movie and you know, sitting there eating dinner with the bloody

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razor blade and her hands are covered. Yeah, because I remember the first

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time I watched this movie. I
never would have expected that moment because we

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see you know, we know that
Joe's gonna go save this girl from this

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this disgusting brothel that she's being held
in, and that that scene in itself,

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it's I don't think it's like a
pivotal moment, but I think it

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speaks volumes to the title of this
movie, you know, of the book,

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because he never lets himself be seen
on close circuit cameras. He never

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lets him he doesn't give his name, he's his head's always down, he's

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just he's never really here. Yeah, but when you watch that moment when

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he storms this place and he's just
dispatching these guys with this ballpen hammer,

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you just see like glimpses of it
on the on the monitors. So a

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lot of a lot of inferred violence. I mean, you know, we

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don't really see a lot of gratuitous
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lots implied and lots like it's it
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see what I thought I saw?
It's a it's quick, And I think

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that's part of the genius of this
movie, honestly, And one of the

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things that really blew me away about
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You know, you see someone walking
towards someone with a ballpeen hammer, You're

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like, oh boy, this is
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you have the moment where he raises
the hammer and then you splash to the

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guy on the ground, and then
you have those beautiful moments in between where

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he's sort of catching his breath,
taking a moment, remembering why he's there.

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Okay, on to the next thing. You know, the moments when

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he's driving, or the moments when
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houses while he's going on this final
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don't have to relive or I guess, live the initial violence of it.

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We know what happens. He's got
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what's gonna happen. I don't need
to see it, and I what I

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want to know is how it's affecting
him afterwards, what's doing to him And

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and she does a really great job
with that. Yeah, I love her

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shots, nonviolent shots that tell you
something really violent just happened or is about

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to happen. The movie opens,
he's we see him kind of cleaning up,

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and he's cleaning a hammer that he's
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really know at that point. But
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the road, when he's grabbing a
hammer, a new hammer, off the

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shelf at the local hardware store,
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is about to unleash some some really
terrible things. You know. It's like

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it's like the senator who who hires
him? He has that question, he's

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you know, he says, uh, can you be brutal? And Joaquin's

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just like, I can be,
and then he just says, I want

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you to hurt them. It's just
like, oh yeah, like what is

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that? Well, and then you
discover how tangled the whole thing is,

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and it's like, ah, like
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see, you know, you see
Joaquin, you see Joe struggling with this,

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because I think it's easy for us
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in a John wu type movie,
that like, oh, this guy is

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like hardcore, he's seeking revenge.
This is happening. He doesn't care about

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anybody that gets in his way.
This is what's going down, And you

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don't see necessarily those moments in between, now that there's anything wrong with that

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that's a completely different type of movie. But the fact that you see Joe

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doing these things or don't see him
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home and he's taking his mom's glasses
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and he's, you know, doing
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and that he actually does have the
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He's not just this calculated robot.
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I think what really turns this movie
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you know, there's events that are
going to happen where she's going to be

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taken a second time. He's going
after her a second time, and you're

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just like, okay, I get
where we're going here, and to find

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out that it's really it's her that's
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I thought it was brilliant writing because
let's not forget you know, Lynn Ramsey

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writes this, you know, she
adapts this from the novella, So the

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writing's brilliant here. The idea that
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hero of the movie. I absolutely
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entire time. I mean, he's he's

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struggling the entire time. You know, he's struggling with his history in combat,

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he's struggle with his childhood trauma.
He's struggling with his day to day

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he's struggling with how he feels about
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aches and pains. You know,
it's just I mean, one of the

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greatest greatest moments is him, you
know, lying in bed and he's sort

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of you know, dangling this knife
over his throat considering doing something, and

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then the other room, his mom's
like Joe, and he's like, what's

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the knife down? It's like what
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just goes back to being like,
Okay, I'm a beautiful son. I

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got to go home my mom with
this thing and then just toss my knife

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on the ground and go do this. Yeah. The way the way he

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the way he balances his suicidal tendencies
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his mother, and I love the
relationship by the way, you know this

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is it's so it warms you.
It's like you're like, you're like,

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Okay, this guy's brutal, he's
cold, blooded. No, he's not.

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Like, look, he's he's at
home. He's there to take care

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of his mom. You know,
they have they I love the banter that

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they have where they're they're kind of
like they're more like roommates, like old

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old roommates. You know. I
think it's fantastic. I love a Walter

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White. I mean I love a
complicated character. So he fits the bill

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right. You know, he's a
guy that does awful things, but he

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kind of doesn't for a good reason, and he kind of doesn't do bad

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people. And also he takes care
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it's it's again like you said earlier, it's layered. Yeah, let's

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I want to ask you something.
So we got, you know, on

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the on the subject of brutal,
cold blooded mercenary type type guys that are

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that are out to take care of
people. This movie has a you know,

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critics kind of pointed this out,
this movie has a real taxi driver

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comparison happening. And I didn't think
about that until maybe the third or fourth

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time I watched it, and and
it's there because like you know, I

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think I think he's better than Travis
bickele I mean, and I don't mean

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better as a character. I mean, he's a better person than Travis Bickel,

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but they're you know, they're doing
the same thing, right, I

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can definitely see that. I have
not watched admittedly Traffic Taxi Driver in many

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years. So now, as soon
as you mentioned that earlier, I thought,

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oh man, I got to go
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live for that, you know,
the comparison and sort of where the nuance

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is between the two different characters,
because yeah, I mean, nobody's all

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good, nobody's all bad, and
different people have different things that inspire them

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to make the world a better place
and a different place. Where the line

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is between what's good and what's bad
and what they're willing to do to make

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the world a better place in the
way that they choose. I'll tell you

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right now, Like, yeah,
watching this you met you kind of pointed

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out those those moments, those really
nice moments we have with Joaquin just sitting

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in his car waiting or observing or
you know, preparing. It really puts

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you in that that Travis Bickel frame
of mind where he's just driving the taxi

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and you're in his head for a
little bit and he's talking, you know,

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he's you know, Denaro's kind of
narrating, like what his thoughts are,

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what his feelings are, and the
idea that they're both out to save

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a young, damaged, you know, female that's that's been kind of forced

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into a world of prostitution, who
ultimately maybe doesn't need saving. It says

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a lot about about what this movie
is. Yeah, Yeah, and it's

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interesting, you know, it's it's
also it changes your definition of saving,

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right, So we initially think of
the hero sort of swoops in and is

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saving her. Obviously, yes,
she's being saved from an terrible, terrible

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situation that she maybe physically is not
capable of getting out of, right when

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you're you know, surrounded by giant
adult men. But then in the end,

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she's saving him from himself. She's
saving him from this dark hole that

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he's living in, especially after you
know, what's happened to his mom and

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what happens you know, from that
moment forward. I think I think that

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it's it's interesting how we can sort
of redefine saving. Yeah, I mean,

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just because someone's not trapped in a
building by by terrorists doesn't mean they're

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not trapped in their emotions and maybe
they need someone to save them emotionally or

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save them mentally. And I think
that's what this girl, you know,

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that's what this character Nina, that's
what she's all about. Especially at the

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end. It's it's so I mean, the way she takes care of him

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at the end, it kind of
washes over like a just an awesome wave

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of calm as far as but at
the same time, she's just so hardcore,

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you know, she's like, all
right, come buddy, here's what's

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happening. This is what we're doing, and time to get up. Also,

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like the song that's playing in that
diner at the end, the Cake

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song, while they're saying really dark
moment, it's sort of every you know,

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sort of processing everything that's happened,
and then there's this song about cake

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playing. It's genius, Yeah,
genius and a little discombobby lighting. For

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me, yes, yes, I
mean it's to me, it's similar.

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It's the same sort of interesting moment
like when he you know, goes home,

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discovers what's happened with his mother,
goes downstairs and he you know,

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attacks this man who's questioning and he's
laying on the floor with this man,

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knowing that this man is going to
die, and there's music playing. It's

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the whole you know, I've been
to Paradise song playing yea, and the

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guy who reaches over and holds Joe's
hand and he lets him and he sings

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the song to him and he holds
his hand, and it's like, you

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know, on the one hand,
you're sitting here going what is happening?

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like, this is a real human moment,

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Like this is you know, two
humans, not two people fighting against

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each other, two people on the
opposite sides of things, but like two

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human be and one of them is
about to end his life and he just

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wants comfort and he wants someone there
with him, and this is the person

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who's laying next to him. And
so that's what's happening. And that's really

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interesting. It's an odd moment and
brilliant because when you find out that whole

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thing is ad libbed, with the
singing and the closeness that they have.

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I love the fact that the guy
is a obviously he's a terrible he's a

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scumbag, and he's he's dying.
He's dying out right there on the on

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the kitchen floor. But he also
reveals to Joe like it was in her

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sleep, she didn't feel a thing
right. And I kind of feel like

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that gives Joe comfort and maybe that's
why he is with this guy in his

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final moments, like you don't have
to die alone. I'm here for you.

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you first see that that hand,

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that that hand, take that other
hand, and you're like what, and

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then I thought, wait a minute, it's kind of a mutual respect in

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a weird, really twisted way.
And a Lynn Ramsey, it's really it's

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messed up. It's a messed up
scene, but it works, especially when

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they're kind of sharing this moment where
they're singing the song together. Yeah,

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and I think Joe probably has guilt
that his mother died alone and that he

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wasn't there, and he probably,
because of her age and because of everything,

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always just envisioned that she would get
sick or she would get old and

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she would pass away and he would
be sitting by her holding her hand and

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she would die. And that is
not what happened. But that's what he

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did for this man, and so
it's it's just an interesting exchange that happens

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in that moment that's both bizarre and
yet heartfelt at the same time, very

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very heartfelt. We're gonna take a
quick break and when we get back gonna

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we're gonna talk a little bit about
this film's background. We are back with

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Mary Kay from the Sherry Sandwich podcast
talking about Lynn ramses, you were never

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really here, Mary Kay. It's
based on the Jonathan Ames twenty thirteen novella

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of the same name. He is
a big fan of the film, was

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one of the producers actually, and
Lynn writes and directs this adaptation. Now,

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we talked a little bit about the
score and the music. Obviously,

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we talked about that cake song just
being a weird choice but also kind of

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fitting. Something that kind of surprised
me. Was the guitarist for Radiohead,

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Johnny Greenwood scored this film, and
it just so happens it's the second time

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they've worked together because he also scored
her twenty eleven film. We need to

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talk about Kevin. Oh, that's
really interesting. I didn't know that.

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I'll tell you if you're a Radiohead
fan, first off, it's you know,

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they're a fantastic band. They are
truly a great band. This score

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has what I would call a chaotic
feel to it. It's messy, and

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when you realize that it's all about
being inside Joe's head, it makes the

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score perfect. Yeah, And you
know what's really interesting is in the very

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beginning there's sort of the sound mixing
of the whispers and the sort of talking.

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I had to go back and watch
it twice. It reminded me a

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little bit of zone of interest.
I don't know if you saw a zone

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of interest, but before I saw
a zone of interest, I hadn't ever

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really had a strong opinion about sound
mixing as far as like winning an award

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for sound mixing. After I saw
that movie, and I did see it

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in the theater, I left there
and I thought, this movie has to

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win something for sound mixing, like
the way that they sort of like juxtapose

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these awful sounds and birds tweeting and
whatever. And it was the same thing

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that was happening in the beginning of
this There's these moments of sort of like

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inaudible whispering and clearly terrifying music playing, which, now that you mentioned Radiohead,

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makes complete sense. Yeah, the
way that it blends together and you're

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kind of going whoa, what's happening? This is heavy. I'm already scared

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and nothing has happened, and that's
amazing. Like, I love kicking it

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off that way. Yeah, I'll
tell you what I love kicking off with

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this movie. We open in Cincinnati, Ohio, and you know, hey,

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I am a hometown since I kid
so uh. When that cab door

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shuts and I see Cincinnati, I
was like, all right, we're in

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Sinsey, you know, let's stop
at Skyline. But that's right, He's

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quickly on his way to New York. This film, this blows my mind.

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By the way. This film was
unfinished when it was submitted to the

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can Film Festival. Oh and it
still wins Best Actor for Waquin Phoenix,

405
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:47.039
Best Screenplay for Lynn Ramsey, and
was nominated for the Palm Dure and almost

406
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:51.200
took it. Wow. Yeah,
yeah, there's a lot going on here.

407
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:55.680
Yeah. Yeah, I do want
to ask you this because I love

408
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.839
the title of this film, because
it immediately when you hear the title,

409
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:04.640
you're you're already asking questions. It's
released in France and Germany under the title

410
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:11.000
A Beautiful Day, which is a
reference to the last line of dialogue given

411
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.160
in the film. From Nina when
she says, Joe, wake up,

412
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:18.240
it's a beautiful day. What what's
the better title here? Mary Kay,

413
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.279
you're there, you're you're a writer. Let me know, like we go

414
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:22.400
on with the book title, We're
going to go with a beautiful day.

415
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.920
That's really interesting. And I you
know, I'm big on words and saying

416
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:32.160
words that mean something and saying what
you're meaning. And I think that especially

417
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:36.000
in a title, very carefully choosing
words, they all mean something. And

418
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.920
I always think that's interesting when things
are translated and you read what the translation

419
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:41.400
is versus what it is in English
or what you know, what it says

420
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:47.319
in German or whatever. A beautiful
day, I think I think you were

421
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:52.400
never really here as a better title, because I think that that reference is

422
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.240
directly sort of Joaquin's life, right, or Joe's life. Joe was in

423
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:02.880
combat and he was never there.
You know, we go in, we

424
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.960
go out, we were never there. He goes into these situations, he

425
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.039
helps these people, he was never
there. It's and it's also sort of

426
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.799
this greater existential thing that I think
we all go through, right, which

427
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:19.000
is we all come and go both
from people's lives and from life itself,

428
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.759
and so it's it's kind of a
kind of a deep phrase. If you

429
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.359
think about it. A Beautiful Day
can also do the same thing, but

430
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.759
I feel like you were never really
here. It hits more for me.

431
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.759
It definitely hits more, especially when
you think there's a there's a major theme

432
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:41.400
of loneliness and isolation that I think
tracks through this film. And maybe it's

433
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.920
it's it's Joe's character telling his father, his mother, the people in his

434
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:51.960
world you were never really here because
he's so alone. Or again it's maybe

435
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.559
it's the it's the people that hire
Joe and we know you were never really

436
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.000
here. I think it's I think
it's way better if you told me,

437
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:01.039
Hey, I need you to go
over and pick up this movie for me

438
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:05.640
off the shelf. It's called A
Beautiful Day, and there were no titles

439
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:07.200
and I just saw pictures. If
you told me to go pick up A

440
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.359
Beautiful Day, I'm expecting to pick
up a box that has like George Clooney

441
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:15.200
smiling at Joy Roberts or something of
that nature on it. You know,

442
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.799
I'm not not what quing phoenix staring
menacingly at me, you know, from

443
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.720
a thousand yards away, just like
and you you could go back to you

444
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.319
know, life is beautiful, right, the movie about World War two?

445
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.039
And you can. And that's also
I always wonder it actually reminds me.

446
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.519
I wonder what that translates to in
other languages. I wonder what titles they

447
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.680
used for that film and other languages. But I remember at the time thing

448
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.799
and this is a really interesting title
for this movie because it's not what you're

449
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:50.200
expecting when you're, you know,
getting a movie about Nazi war camps.

450
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.880
But it's so you know, you
can make it work. But it's this

451
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.759
one you were never really here,
you immediately know kind of what you're on

452
00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:00.680
board for. I think so too. Yeah, there are some really great

453
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.480
moments in this movie. We've already
discussed several of them. But let's talk

454
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.039
about the pivotal scene. Mary Kay. I'm not talking about the moment that

455
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.839
you saw on the trailer. I'm
not talking about the climax of the film.

456
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.359
I'm just talking about the scene that
you see it and you go,

457
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.599
you know what, Without this moment, this movie is less. Is there

458
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.079
a pivotal scene for you? Is
there something that comes to mind for you

459
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.920
when you watch you were never really
here. Oh yeah, the moment that

460
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.000
he walks into his mother's bedroom and
sees her with the pillow over her face.

461
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.480
That like, I just gave myself
chills that moment. I audibly gasped

462
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:46.920
because I thought they got him exactly
where it hurts, and this is the

463
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:52.240
last thing he has. That's it. His mom is really if you think

464
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.759
about it, she's the last thing
tethering him to this world. So now

465
00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:01.079
he's just totally unhinged. He's got
nothing him back. He's got no reason

466
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:07.319
to hold back because who cares.
But then you get the beauty of him

467
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.360
sort of taking care of the men
downstairs and then going back up and having

468
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.199
this really beautiful moment where he's taking
his mom and he's putting on a suit

469
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:21.039
and he's taking her to the car, and you know, taking a body

470
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.480
out to a lake has never been
so moving. Honestly, it was really,

471
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.760
you know, and I wrote it
down because it was amazing to me.

472
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.239
Again with the sound mixing, you
know, his mom in the back

473
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.519
of the car, she's wrapped in
bags, and he rolls the window down

474
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.639
and he's driving and you can hear
the plastic rustling in the wind in the

475
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:45.239
backseat, and I thought, oh, man, like, what imagine,

476
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:50.320
you know, driving down the street
being the guy that you are, and

477
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.679
you're doing this and this is this
is the last thing you ever wanted to

478
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:58.840
do, the last thing that could
possibly have broken you. And that's why

479
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.119
it's amazing, you know, when
he does fill his pockets with rocks and

480
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:06.119
then he thinks about Nina and he
takes him out, you know, that

481
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.679
big moment. Also, how does
how does such a morbid moment in the

482
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:16.360
film become such a such a heartfelt
moment though, you know, I just

483
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:21.639
don't get it, because like the
first time I watched this, I was

484
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.840
I was really I was shocked,
and I was a little appalled that his

485
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:30.480
mother is wrapped in black plastic and
duct tape in the back seat, and

486
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.280
I was like, what what kind
of monster are you? But then when

487
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.960
you see how tender he he is, you know, preparing her and then

488
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:42.400
and then taking her out, it's
it's really it messes with your mind because

489
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.360
you're like, this is this is
I think this is abhorrent, But at

490
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:49.360
the same time, this is what
he knows and this is the best he

491
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.039
can do. Yeah, And in
that and that, in that regard.

492
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.119
It makes it a beautiful moment for
his character. Yeah, I mean,

493
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:59.039
and there's a certain amount of professionalism
that comes with what he's doing, right,

494
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.880
you know, it's sort of where
his expertise meets his emotion and he's

495
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.000
like, the best way to take
care of this is to do X,

496
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:07.599
Y and Z. So that's what
we're doing. But I'm gonna put on

497
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.400
a suit while I do it,
and I'm going to take her to a

498
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.599
beautiful place. And he very you
know, gently picks her up, and

499
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:20.360
he is very delicate with her.
And I think that it's it's hard because

500
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.440
it's the two parts of its his
brain fighting against each other. You know.

501
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.599
He obviously can't call someone and have
a proper funeral for his mom after

502
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.559
everything that's happened. It's just not
real. Who would he call. He

503
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.800
has nobody who'd he call, no
one to call, so he has to

504
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.480
make his own moment. And you
know, the thing that I thought was

505
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:45.480
actually really beautiful that I think moved
me the most is he doesn't take her

506
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.760
to the lake and drop her in. He walks her in, and he

507
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.639
sinks with her, and then he
releases her at the bottom and comes back

508
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:59.239
up and that is not something that
most people in a situation of disposing of

509
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.480
a body would do. So it's
it's there's it's an extra layer because it's

510
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.800
his mother and he needs to do
it in the best possible way he can.

511
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.880
And I'll be honest, we're we're
actually this kind of this scene tethers

512
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.519
to yours because this is my pivotal
moment, him bearing his mother and his

513
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.679
attempt at suicide by intentionally drowning himself. Because up to this point we've seen

514
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:25.679
we've been inside his head and we've
seen these these uh, these suicide fantasies

515
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.360
that he's had, and this is
the point where he's like ready to go,

516
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.440
all right, this is it.
I'm now, I'm me and my

517
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.519
mom. I'm gonna go with her. Because when you're watching it, like

518
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:37.760
the first time you see him picking
up these these stones, you're like,

519
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.440
oh, is he gonna bury your
And then you know when you see him

520
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.960
walking into the water, you're like, wait, what's the stones for?

521
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:52.559
And he just kind of sinks this
this really slow, beautiful moment where he's

522
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.800
sinking and just looks so at peace, and you got to think, like,

523
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:59.159
this is the one time in his
in his in his world where there

524
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.400
is no noise, right, there
is no there is no pain. But

525
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:09.039
we get that brief glimpse of Nina
in his mind and then Okay, I've

526
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.599
got more work to do. I've
got a purpose. And he takes the

527
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.800
rocks out and he allows himself to
resurface, and then it's let's go get

528
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:21.320
Nina. Yeah, because I think
originally his mom was his final purpose and

529
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.199
then with this mission, he added
another one. And so he couldn't when

530
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:29.360
he thought about it, like,
am I really going to leave this person

531
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.719
out in the world to just fester
or whatever? Like he can't do it.

532
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:36.840
He can't do it because at the
end of the day, he's a

533
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.239
good person. He is. Let's
talk about another good person. Let's talk

534
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:47.239
about Lynn Ramsay for a minute.
Born in Glasgow, Scotland. She studied

535
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.519
fine art and photography. You mentioned
that her she would have been a great

536
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.480
photographer. She studied it. And
here's here's what I love about her.

537
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:04.000
She applies to film school on a
whim after seeing Maya Darren's film Meshes of

538
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.639
the Afternoon. Mary Kay, I
have to I have to know, have

539
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.559
you ever seen a film that that
inspired you, that moved you so much

540
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.920
that you decided to change the course
of your career. Oh boy, that's

541
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:21.840
a big question. That's a that's
a very good question. I would say

542
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.519
there have been films, there have
been TV shows there. I mean,

543
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:31.320
I would say there's a heavy emphasis. What's interesting about Lynn Ramsay is that

544
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.719
because she is from the UK,
I have a special place in my heart

545
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:42.639
for UK writers, because any UK
crime show is probably better than most American

546
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.760
crime shows. And I know you're
not lying. It's a very controversial thing

547
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.360
to say, and a lot of
people will argue with me about it,

548
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:54.159
but it says something about her.
I mean, I can think back on

549
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:59.519
I mean, look, I'm gen
X. I grew up watching cable when

550
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:04.199
I wasn't. I saw The Shining
when I was probably seven, which is

551
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.920
not great. But that moment when
I saw the Shining for the first time,

552
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:13.239
I was like this, I want
to do this. And I've been

553
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:17.400
a huge Stephen King fan ever since
then, And so I would say that

554
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:23.039
I would say it should have ruined
me, but instead it sort of inspired

555
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.199
me, like how did he come
up with this? You know? And

556
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.199
over the years I would go back
to it, reading Firestarter and reading these

557
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.719
other books and thinking, you know
how he crafts these worlds, and he

558
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.840
does it so efficiently. So yeah, I'm going to say I'm going to

559
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.519
go with the shining interesting that you
would pick a Stephen King project, because

560
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:47.480
Stephen King will come up again here
later on in our conversation, but for

561
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.880
now, let's talk about her.
We'll keep talking about Lynn. She graduates

562
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.519
in nineteen ninety five from the National
Film and Television School in England. She

563
00:40:54.559 --> 00:41:00.480
goes on to direct several award winning
short films on the festival circuit, and

564
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:06.559
she's known for using non chronological storytelling
and often chooses projects that center around children

565
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.760
and individuals going through trauma. And
if you know anything about her filmography,

566
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:17.079
that definitely tracks. So let's talk
a little bit about her filmography with this

567
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.639
caveat. We haven't done this before, but I kind of want to talk

568
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.280
about some several projects that she was
supposed to do and did not. Oh

569
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.960
yes, please, because admittedly I
have not seen a lot of her catalog

570
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:36.440
I want to now, but I
just haven't. So yeah, No,

571
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.079
there's a short film on IMDb that
I was looking at that I was really

572
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.840
hoping I would have time to watch, and I did not, so it

573
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:45.599
will be one of the first things
that I watch, probably this week when

574
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:52.400
I have time. So her feature
film debut, Rat Catcher in nineteen ninety

575
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:58.199
nine, all about a naive young
lad navigating the dirty streets of nineteen seventy

576
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:04.400
three Glasgow and the poor youth around
him. Definitely an independent film. I'm

577
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:09.159
not familiar with anybody in it,
although it looks like she's got some family

578
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:14.679
in it, so this this was
probably an indie But I don't know.

579
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:15.519
No, I don't know a whole
lot about it. Have you did you

580
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.079
happen to see Ratcatcher? I did
not know. I kinda I kind of

581
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.559
feel like we're gonna move quickly through
dough her hormography and and and with apologies

582
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:29.159
to to miss Ramsey, but you
know, but we're also gonna, you

583
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.559
know, I feel like we're gonna
do we got some homework when this is

584
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:36.880
all said and done. Two thousand
and two, she has another small budget

585
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:43.079
film, Morvan Calor, and again
I'm gonna say these are probably like UK

586
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:50.440
based projects without without digging too deep, I know Samantha Morton is the star

587
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.960
of this one. After her boyfriend's
suicide. A morning supermarket worker and her

588
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.559
best friend hit the road in Scotland
but find that grief is something that you

589
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:05.280
can't run away from forever. So
here we go. We're talking about traumatized

590
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.280
people and this, this is kind
of like her. This is kind of

591
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.199
like her jam. You know,
she's I feel like she knows how to

592
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:15.880
tell this kind of story and maybe
that's why she's she's sticking with it.

593
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.199
What do you think? Yeah?
No, And I have to say,

594
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.159
you know, when I was reading
sort of about the themes that she really

595
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:27.480
focuses on, and I actually read
a quote by a British film critic named

596
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.760
Jonathan Romney, and he says she
thinks not in concepts, but in images.

597
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.000
She doesn't make intellectual films, but
ones that are close to music,

598
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.119
taking visuals to the point of abstraction. And I read that sentence and I

599
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:44.039
thought, ooh, And then I
watched it and then I learned that she

600
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:45.320
was from the UK, and I'm
like, Okay, all of these things

601
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.039
mean that probably I should watch every
single one of her movies. So let's

602
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:55.239
we definitely got to talk about her
her next one, and this is a

603
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:00.400
very powerful movie. This is one. If you haven't seen it, you

604
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.280
probably need to know a little bit
about it before you get into it.

605
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.039
Talk about twenty eleven's we need to
talk about Kevin Mary, Kay, did

606
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:12.599
you see this one? I did
not, but I do remember hearing about

607
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:16.159
it, but I don't remember.
I don't remember exactly what it was that

608
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.320
I did hear about it, So
I'm gonna need to go back and do

609
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.800
some research. Yeah, this is
the one. A lot of controversy around

610
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:28.239
this one at the time. We
need to talk about Kevin. This is

611
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:35.199
the one where we've got a mother
played by Tilda Swinton who's going through some

612
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:43.239
extreme issues because her child is involved
in a mass shooting at school. Yes,

613
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:51.320
it's very hard to watch, you
know, definitely has a lot to

614
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.480
say about, you know, has
a lot to say Tilda Swinton, John

615
00:44:54.519 --> 00:45:00.960
c Riley, Ezra Miller pre flashes
here. There's a lot going on in

616
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:07.119
this movie. And it's just some
serious, serious emotions in this one,

617
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.559
and it's fantastic. And that's another
one where she She's one thing I love

618
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.079
about her. She's directing and she's
usually writing or co writing all of her

619
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.079
stuff. Yeah, I mean,
she really, really brings it in.

620
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:22.079
Yeah, And I feel like if
you can, that would be ideal,

621
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.840
right, because you either want to
be collaborating with someone that you know well

622
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.079
or doing it yourself because at the
same time, like I don't know,

623
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:35.719
and obviously there are many examples of
people who have done it where there's been

624
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.280
separate writers and directors. But I
feel like writing it yourself and directing it.

625
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.480
You know, in your brain as
you're writing something, you can see

626
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.599
the light coming through the window,
and you can see how this character holds

627
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.440
themselves and you can see, you
know, as you're putting the words on

628
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.280
the page. So I think there's
something really special that happens when people do

629
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.400
that. Absolutely. Now I did
mention. I do want to talk about

630
00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.679
several projects that she was supposed to
do and they never never came to fruition.

631
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:06.360
Right before she does, we need
to talk about Kevin two thousand and

632
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:13.679
four. She was the original director
attached to The Lovely Bones. Oh interesting,

633
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.719
Yeah, Now, this is a
situation where she deals with a lot

634
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.159
of frustration from the studio she does. And Mary, you're Mary Kay,

635
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.320
You're a writer, so I know
you can relate to this kind of frustration.

636
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.519
She is handling. She's handing in
draft after draft, and depending on

637
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:35.079
which suit she's talking to, it's
can we get a happier ending? This

638
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.679
didn't happen in the book. This
should have been in the book, but

639
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.840
it's not. Can you put it
in? Back and forth, back and

640
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:45.480
forth. She's trying to adapt this
novel. She ultimately steps away, thinks

641
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.320
better of it. Peter Jackson takes
her place. And I got to say,

642
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.239
this film, largely panned by critics, not what you expect from Peter

643
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:58.719
Jackson, and I think that's one
of the reasons it failed. Yeah.

644
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.159
No, I mean I think it's
frustrating because especially in an adaptation, and

645
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.320
I think especially with these big budget
movies, and I kind of think that's

646
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.599
why there's sort of a lot of
people that are moving away from sort of

647
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.320
the bigger budget things. You can
read the original script, and I've done

648
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.800
this online where you can go download
the original script for a movie and then

649
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.159
you can just see how it was
just absolutely decimated as it went through the

650
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.559
process, and you're like, oh, why didn't they keep this character?

651
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.480
Oh, it would have been so
great if they'd done this, you know,

652
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:34.800
And you can really feel for the
directors, as you can imagine the

653
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.559
frustration that they were up against,
right, and then they're getting absolutely panned

654
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:44.119
by the media for something that genuinely
was not their fault. So yeah,

655
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.360
I could see walking away from something, and I can see why she's probably

656
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:51.239
kept it. Indie, you know, you get your money, and you

657
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:52.480
get people on board, and you
say this is what I want to do,

658
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.400
and they go, okay, great, here you go. Enjoy.

659
00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:00.199
And I'm a big lover of an
indie film, you know, and I've

660
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:06.159
seen many that I have loved that
made no money for anyone, and it's

661
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.079
a real shame that they didn't because
they were beautifully executed, but because they

662
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:13.519
don't have, you know, the
big industry behind them, you don't hear

663
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:15.039
about them, or you don't get
the chance to see them. So I

664
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.400
can see how that would be frustrating. It would be hard for me to

665
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:23.559
take one of my books and watch
someone just chop it into pieces and change

666
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:28.280
the ending and change the characters and
change the motivations, and it would be

667
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:34.000
it would be excruciating. Well after
twenty eleven's we need to talk about Kevin.

668
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:36.719
I mean, she's got a lot
of she's got a lot of a

669
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.159
lot of heat. She's got a
lot of cred going for her. So

670
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:46.559
she partners with Nallie Portman in twenty
thirteen, and she is originally slated to

671
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:51.840
direct Jane Got a Gun. Now, this was originally this is the Nlly

672
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:57.599
Portman movie where she's got to you
know, get revenge on some wrestlers that

673
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.280
you know, she's got team up
with her ex, her ex, her

674
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:07.320
to you know, avenger husband,
that kind of thing. Ramsey leaves the

675
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.280
day before their first day of shooting. Wow, And this is all due

676
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:16.800
to creative differences with a couple of
the producers. Now, depending on who

677
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:20.800
who you listen to or what what
you what you listen to, Uh,

678
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.960
there's some shady stuff going on with
these with these producers. She was sued

679
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:29.000
for breach of contract and kind of
received a little bit of a backlash from

680
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:34.760
Hollywood, but ultimately they dropped they
dropped the they dropped the lawsuit. But

681
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.239
the damage is done at that point, you know, it's like, oh,

682
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.159
okay, you know, creative differences
were difficult to work with. She

683
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.599
just she bails on us the day
before and again, this is a movie

684
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:46.800
that you know, even Jude Law
walked away from that one. It's I

685
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:50.119
don't know if you've seen it,
it is it's not a good film.

686
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.000
I have not seen it, but
I can tell you that as soon as

687
00:49:53.000 --> 00:50:00.599
a woman is labeled difficult in the
industry, it goes. It really takes

688
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.159
things to an extreme. You know, you hear about that, you hear

689
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:05.920
they direct one thing, and it's
like, well, she was kind of

690
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:10.800
difficult. So meanwhile you hear about
people who are the absolute worst on a

691
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:15.119
film set, who are just a
nightmare to work with. But like,

692
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:17.519
but you know, he's the guy
that does X, so we've got to

693
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.000
have him back to another film,
even though everyone hates him. So it's

694
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.880
you know, I'm sure that it
didn't do her any favors, and I'm

695
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:32.400
not trying to just you know,
obviously it's not There are many male directors

696
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:37.679
that I love and respect, but
I think that it does go a long

697
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:42.039
way when you label a woman as
difficult, because then everyone's like, oh,

698
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.159
she was the one who was X, Y and Z, Like I

699
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:46.639
can get my friend to direct this
and we won't have to deal with that

700
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:51.320
problem. And then you get a
movie that's just a dumpster fire because of

701
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.960
it. But it makes billions of
dollars, so everyone's like, no problem.

702
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.320
I'm kind of glad that the situation
happens with Jang on the gun because

703
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.840
her her fix, Like when she
was like, you know what, I'm

704
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:06.400
out of here, she heads off
and she starts adapting the book, so

705
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.360
you know, for you were never
really here. So I think she was

706
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.039
taking a step in the right direction
because this movie is just amazing. It

707
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.840
really is. It was very surprising
for me. I was expecting, like

708
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:21.639
I said before, expecting one thing
and got something completely different, Like this

709
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.159
is something now that I'm going to
be talking about for the next couple weeks.

710
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:29.519
Well before we talk about what's coming
up next. For Lynn Ramsey,

711
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.039
I want to talk. I want
to tell you about two more projects.

712
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:38.239
You mentioned Stephen King and that was
your inspiration. In twenty twenty, it

713
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:43.599
was announced that she was going to
be directing an adaptation of Stephen King's The

714
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.559
Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon? Oh
did you happen to read that one?

715
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:52.039
I did not, But that's all
my fun. It's not your typical Stephen

716
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.199
King book, and it's such a
great it's such a great one. I

717
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.840
really would recommend that to anyone that
loves Stephen King. You know, it's

718
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.239
not for everyone. I get it. It's not it's not so much a

719
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:09.039
horror based story that that he's known
for. It's it's just it's a little

720
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.519
it's a little different, and uh, I would have loved to see it.

721
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.760
I don't know. I went as
soon as I've found this out,

722
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.159
I was like, Okay, well, what happened to it? Where's it

723
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:21.480
at? It's been for it's been
four years, no other information about it.

724
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:25.239
It's just interesting that I've heard that
he's pretty hands off with stuff.

725
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.840
I've heard that he's kind of like, you'd take this and you make it

726
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.559
your own. You know. He
has that whole program where you can buy

727
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.199
the rights to one of his short
stories for a dollar. I don't know

728
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:38.960
if you heard about this what I
know that. So it's certain stories that

729
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.760
he's available, and you can sort
of write a pitch. If you're a

730
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.000
student and around you want to make
a student film or something, yeah,

731
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.400
you can pitch and he'll sell you
the rights and you can do it for

732
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:53.840
a dollar. And because he thinks
it's fun to see people take something of

733
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:57.440
his and turn it into something.
And I'm sure, there have been times

734
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.599
he's had opinions and I'm sure you
know, but in general, from what

735
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:06.719
I understand, he's not one of
the nightmares to work with when you're adapting

736
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:08.840
something of his. Nice. I
dig that about him. Yeah, me

737
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.920
too. Let me ask you what
you feel about this one? Off and

738
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:20.000
on. She has planned to direct
a modern adaptation of Herman Melville's Moby Dick,

739
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:25.360
but she wants to set it in
space, A good for her.

740
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.840
I don't even know what that looks
like. But I have like you got

741
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.440
you got you, you have my
you have my curiosity, you know.

742
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.760
Yeah, I'm like, okay,
I'm in let's see, let's hear the

743
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:39.920
pitch. You know, I think
at a certain point when you have classics

744
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:43.159
like that, you know, I
mean, you know, I wrote a

745
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.440
book a couple of years ago that
I can't sell to save my life.

746
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.599
That's, you know, about Jesus
as an alien, and it's it's too

747
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:54.039
much for most people brain's around.
But when you take something like Moby Dick,

748
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.079
right that everyone knows and it's been
around, and you know the themes,

749
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.119
and it's really a book that's more
about the themes than what actually happens,

750
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.320
so you could take it and theoretically
turn it on its head and do

751
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.159
something with it. You know,
It's there's a million different ways to do

752
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.000
it. I mean, I don't
know if you saw Garama del Toro's Pinocchio

753
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.800
a few years ago, but you
watch the Disney Pinocchio, you watch that

754
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:23.280
Pinocchio. They're very different Pinocchios,
very very different videos. It's brilliant,

755
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:28.880
but it wrecked me for a week. So it's I would be really interested

756
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:30.119
to hear the pitch for that.
I would love to be in the room

757
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.320
to hear about that. Well,
let me, uh, you know,

758
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.239
let me tell you about the three
that she's got that that are happening,

759
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:44.000
you know, all right, because
I'm excited. I'm looking at these three

760
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:49.159
and I am actually excited about them. So she's got two in pre production

761
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.960
and she's got one in post production. So right now, she's in pre

762
00:54:53.000 --> 00:55:00.599
production on a film called Die My
Love starring Jennifer Lawrence. Actually supposed to

763
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:05.320
start filming a few weeks ago,
and it just sounds great. In a

764
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:10.400
remote, forgotten royal area, a
mother struggles to maintain her sanity as she

765
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:17.079
battles with psychosis I'm in sign up
Jennifer Lawrence. Think about what she did

766
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:22.000
in Silver Lyon's Playbook or Mother.
Yeah, let's yeah, make it happen.

767
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.519
Let's go. I know, I
know you know about this one.

768
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:34.440
We talked about this briefly of off
air Stone Mattresses starring Julianne Moore and Sondra

769
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:38.719
o is in pre production Mary Kay, a revenge thriller set on a cruise

770
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:43.920
ship in the Arctic. Let's go. Also Sandra Oh and Julie I mean

771
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:49.199
again, these actresses they sign me. Yes, that's two powerhouse performers going

772
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:53.400
head to head. Definitely will be
great. Also definitely great is the film

773
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.280
that she has in post production,
So we're definitely gonna see this one.

774
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:02.119
Uh one, This one's called Polaris. She's back with Joaquin Phoenix and she's

775
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.280
got Rooney Rooney Mara with her,
who I absolutely adore. Yeah. Wait,

776
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.239
isn' Joaquin Phoenix married to Rooney Mora
or did I make that up?

777
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.199
Is she? I don't know.
We might check that they might used to

778
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.880
be married or are married, but
I think it's see it. I can

779
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.679
see it. Uh, Ramsey must
have something for for the Arctic because this

780
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:29.880
movie is set in Alaska during the
eighteen nineties. Oh and it's all about

781
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:37.039
an ice photographer who meets the devil. Okay, I'm in yeah, Joaquin

782
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.960
Phoenix, Runey Mara, who's the
Who's a photographer? Who's the devil?

783
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.440
I mean, there's the other that
could go either way, right, but

784
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.440
I think I think it could go
either way. I'd love to see him

785
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.320
as the photographer. That's what I'm
thinking, because like part of me is

786
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.960
thinking, Okay, she was a
photographer, she is a photographer. You

787
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:59.320
know, Is Rooney Mara gonna channel
Lynn Ramsey or is this is it?

788
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:01.039
Are we gonna have some with this
and Rooney mar is gonna be the devil?

789
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.480
You can go either way with it. And I think it's great.

790
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.639
So well, and that's great actually, I mean, riding on the heels

791
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.760
of this last season A True Detective
taking place in Alaska, I feel like

792
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.400
the people are really going to be
down for that, I think. So

793
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:17.920
I gotta everyone's talking about this the
season four True Detective. I have got

794
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.199
to get I gotta get a day
off so I can watch it because it

795
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.639
just sounds amazing. It's a whole
thing, but it's good. Well,

796
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:30.320
Mary Kay, let's talk about your
recommendation for this film. You were never

797
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:36.760
really here. What's your thoughts?
You know you recommend this one. I

798
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.159
would recommend this one, I think, you know, with a lot of

799
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:46.719
movies, I sort of recommend with
hesitation to certain people and then you add

800
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:52.079
disclaimers for the others. You know, obviously, if you're triggered by violence

801
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.760
against women, if you're triggered about
violence against children, maybe it's not going

802
00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:00.519
to be the best movie for you. But also on what's great about it

803
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:05.960
is you don't see it. You
know it's implied, and what you really

804
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.440
see is you really see, you
know, a man who's struggling with his

805
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:14.400
mental health, who's struggling with being
alive, who's struggling with who he is,

806
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:21.400
and watching him slowly sort of crumble
and then be built back up is

807
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.039
fascinating. But I you know,
when I think about it, I think

808
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.920
I can think of specific people that
I would not recommend it to and specific

809
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.400
people that I would recommend it to. So it's all my you know,

810
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:36.119
UK true crime people, one hundred
percent, all those guys absolutely like you

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know, I would I would go
online and recommend this, But with a

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blanket statement that just says, hey, heads up, if any of those

813
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if any of these things are a
problem for you, maybe skip it.

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But if not, you know.
I have to say, though, one

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thing that I noticed, and I
just remembered this is remember a Joker,

816
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how he did that thing with his
shoulder where he can kind of double joint

817
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:59.559
his shoulder. He did it in
this movie, and I'm like, that's

818
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.159
the first time he did this.
Anyway, side note, that's how my

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brain works. But yeah, I
would say also, anybody who liked Joker

820
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or you know, anything else tho
Joaquin Phoenix does because he's great. Yeah,

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so I would say, yes,
I would recommend it absolutely. I

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mean when you see when you see
Joe versus Joker, and you see the

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physical transformation that he does because he
Joaquin's a bit of a chameleon. When

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he slips into these roles and he
goes he goes for it. You know.

825
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:36.000
Todd Phillips never asked him to drop
forty five fifty pounds to play Arthur

826
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Fleck in The Joker. He just
did it because he thought that's who the

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character is. I mean, yeah, so hats off to him. This

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film. It is I Yeah,
it's so good. This movie is an

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intense, gripping thriller that hits you
as hard as the ballpeen hammer that Joaquin

830
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.960
chooses to use as his preferred weapon. It's an Amazon original, so you

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will find it there streaming on Prime. I absolutely recommend it. It's not

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01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.320
the feel good movie of you know, it's not Sunday Night with the family,

833
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:07.599
and it's not for like the John
Wick or Bust type crowd either.

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It's somewhere in between because it's got
a lot to say. Yeah, speaking

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01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:17.400
of a lot to say, listeners, what do you think of? You

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And this Friday, our limited series
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Wait, how did we not catch
that Mary Kay covering Mary Riley? I

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should have had you for that I
will come back anytime. You just tell

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me and I'm back, all right. You might have to you might have

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to cram that one in. Uh. I know Amber Lewis will be with

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us. We're going to discuss the
pros and cons, mostly cons of dating

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your employer, especially when he's doctor
Jekyl or is it mister Hyde. We'll

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find out Friday, and next time
on a film by we'll discuss a film

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by another incredible female director. When
the conversation focuses on Greta Gerwig's twenty seventeen

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comedy Lady Bird, Mary Kay,
I cannot thank you enough for joining me

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01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.960
today to talk about this film.
I know, I know. I kind

853
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.760
of shot this one to you,
said hey, I'd love to talk to

854
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:45.559
you about this movie. And this
is before I mean we had I feel

855
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like we got to know each other
quite well on on your pop when we

856
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.840
when we when we answered your your
famous questions. But at the same time,

857
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:57.719
I really had no frame of reference
to what kind of movies you like,

858
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.199
what kind of literature you like,
And as a watching this the first

859
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time after I proposed this to you, I was like, yeah, she

860
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might say, no, I don't
know this could this could go either way?

861
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.480
I don't know. I hope she
enjoys it, but I can tell

862
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:15.199
you this, I have enjoyed having
you with us today and definitely will hope

863
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that you'll come back and join us
for more. Oh, I'll come back

864
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anytime you want. This is literally
one of my favorite things to do is

865
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to talk about movies. I'm a
big nerd about this kind of stuff,

866
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so I'm in perfect. Well,
one more time, you got to tell

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us where we're going to find your
podcast? You know, are you on

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social media links? I know you're
on social media, so can you give

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01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.159
us a quick rundown? Where where
do our listeners find your show? And

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and more about Mary Kay and shaff
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it's there anytime you need it.
We post weekly, so it's always a

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different person, always a different type
of person talking about different stuff. It's

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fun. My latest adventure has been
discussing TV shows and movies on TikTok.

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It's my newest adventure and got really
into it during True Detective. So if

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you are watching True Detective and want
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me a letter. I had to
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had to drop me a letter.
I had to hire the ban brand the

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welcome mat for you. Oh,
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