Aug. 10, 2025

M. Night Shyamalan - The Visit

M. Night Shyamalan - The Visit
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Season 6 A Film By...

As we anxiously look forward to M. Night Shyamalan's upcoming film Remain, we take a look back at his 2015 twisted food footage thriller, The Visit!

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Brad, I need to ask your opinion about something. So

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scary movies have several subgenres, and one of the ones

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that kind of became dominant in the late nineties, nineteen

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ninety nine to be precise, Yeah, and on was the

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found footage scary movie. Do you happen to have a

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favorite in that subgenre.

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With me? I think you have to go with the original,

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kind of with player Witch Project. You know, it did

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kind of spark a, you know, a very easy way

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to make movies for a very little amount of money

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and make a huge profit.

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Well, you know, it's the cool thing is everyone assumes

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that the Blair Witch Project is the one that started

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at all in nineteen ninety nine, but it was actually

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nineteen eighty a little known horror film called Cannibal Holocaust.

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That's the actual that's the first found footage scary movie.

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But dame, I know canniballl Hall. We gotta look that

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one up. I think that's gotta be good. Yeah, But

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today I want to talk about a different found footage movie.

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I want to talk about a film by m Night Shyamalan,

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his twenty fifteen thriller The Visit. Okay, welcome back, to

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the film by podcast. I am Jeff Johnson with me

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is Brad Kozo, Brad? How are you doing today?

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Man doing great? Uh?

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M night, he's uh, he's having a big week. Yeah,

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the movie listen, movies are back, the theaters are open,

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and we just so happened to get ourselves an m

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Night Shamalan movie coming out this Friday. His new thriller

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Old is debuting on Friday. I can't wait to see

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it myself. What about you?

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This could be the first movie that I actually go

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back to the theater to see.

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Yeah, because you haven't. I mean, there's been a couple movies,

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but you still you've not. You've yet to venture back.

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I have yet to be in a theater post covid. Brad.

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Can m Night bring you back?

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I think he could because one thing that he does

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fantastic is he makes the best trailers.

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Oh yeah, he absolutely does. Uh. So we're talking about

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his twenty fifteen movie, The Visit I Got. I'm gonna

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go ahead and ask because I know you didn't see

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this before we had talked about it, So right off

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the bat, let's let's talk about your thoughts, Like, what

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did you think? Well?

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First off, I'd say this is the only a film

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of his that I do not remember coming out. Yeah,

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every one of his films had a big opening, but

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this one, I feel like, you know, didn't come out.

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But I think with this movie what I liked is

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that it didn't play it as serious as some of

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those other ones that you see where they're really really

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trying to convince you that, remember, you're you're watching this

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really happening. He kind of steps back a little bit

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and plays a little bit with the humor and keeps

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reminding you you're watching a movie. He even has Becka

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spouting out you know film you know, uh terms like

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messe scene and the elixir and stuff. And I love

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how when kids are in movies and they respond to

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scary situations with a comment about another movie because that

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would actually happen, and that's exactly what the audience is

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thinking at the same time.

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So I like it.

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It is a world where they do have horror movies

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that exist and things like that, you know. And he

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doesn't take this one too seriously like a lot of

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other found footage films have done. To death no pun intent.

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Yeah, now you made the comment you didn't remember this

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coming out in twenty fifteen, not at all. I think

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there's a reason though, So you know, what was it

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ninety I think it was ninety eight when The Sixth

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Sense came out, right, ninety nine, Okay, you would know

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he came on the scene and just hit home run

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after home run after home run. Now he gets into

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you know, it's like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, somewhere on

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those lines. I know he did The Last Airbender. Yeah,

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and then right after that it wasn't that big of

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a hit. I know it's based off of a cartoon.

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Or no, it's not. It's not. I mean, if it is.

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I looked up. He is the only credited screenwriter on that.

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I thought it was an adaptation of a young adult

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you know, series or something. It looks like this is

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his brainchild.

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I thought. I thought it was based off the as

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did I either way.

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But you also got to think, you know, he has

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three children. You know, if you were a filmmaker and

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you could make a film for your kids, wouldn't you

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want to do it?

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Oh? Absolutely? Yeah, But this didn't really connect with audiences.

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After that, he does After Earth with Will Smith.

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Which didn't connect with anyone.

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Yeah, you know, and you know, sadly it just it

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wasn't a hit. You think M. Knight, and you think

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Will Smith, and you think summer blockbuster. That's that's a

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guaranteed home run, right.

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Yeah, but it was. I was the formula for years.

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Yeah, so back to back what some could say we

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were critical failures. He kind of fell off a little bit.

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So the reason why the visit was such a small,

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you know film that like, hey, what is that? Or

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and I think what a lot of people today, like

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a lot of people listening might right now might not

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have heard of it or seen it. Now. That's one

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of the reasons we're talking about it. Him Knight actually

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to get back out there, he borrows five million dollars,

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you know, basically puts his house up as collateral to

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finance this movie because you know, he writes it, he

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directs it, and after he even you know, he shot it,

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you know, he shops it around Hollywood. Everyone's turning their

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nose up at it until finally Universal gets to it

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and after a couple of revisions, you know, after kind

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of finding out the flow of the movie, they pick

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it up with with Jason Blumhouse from uh Blumhouse Pictures.

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And you know, you said the thing about the comedy,

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because there are This is a scary movie. It's a thriller,

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but there are some there's some funny moments, right, maybe

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maybe maybe they're supposed to be unintentional, Maybe he wants

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them to be unintentional. But he he's on record as

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saying he struggled with his cut because he made his

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first movie. He kind of his first cut. He kind

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of said, hey, this is it's more of an hour

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house movie.

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Yeah.

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Then he does a second cut and it's a it's

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a total comedy, and he says, this isn't right. So

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the end result is he wants that comedy, but he

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wants the scares, and what he ends up with is

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what we see on the screen, which I think is

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an excellent balance of you know, there's there's moments where

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you laugh because you're like, what the hell you know?

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And you have to laugh about some of the stuff

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you're seeing. But then there's some there are some genuine

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jumps in this, would you.

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Agree, Yeah, And of course not when you're expecting it

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at all.

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No, No, let let's talk about this cast, because we've

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got the great Catherine Hahn playing the mom right well,

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right now, Yeah, she's well, she's huge right now, I guess,

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you know. But before we do that, let's let's get

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let's briefly, you know what we're talking about. There's a

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divorced mom has two teenage kids, you know, boy or girl.

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She has been estranged from her parents for the past

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fifteen years, and the grandparents kind of reach out connect

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with the grandkids, and then they decide, hey, come come

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up for a visit to grandma and Grandpa's house. And

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this gives her a chance to kind of you know, uh,

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start her life you know, fresh with like her boyfriend.

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They're gonna go on a cruise so conveniently they're conveniently

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way away.

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Right. Yeah, she's she's getting her life back together, she's

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making amends, she's she's ready to move on.

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Yeah, Catherine Hahn playing playing playing the mom, who's just

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she's the fun mom. She made a mistake when.

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She was what is she like that nineteen Yeah, you know,

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when she left home, you know, years ago, to the

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man that they did not want her to marry, and

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you know, a big blowout happened and they hadn't spoken since.

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And now that man she you know, left her parents

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for is now leaving her for another woman.

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Absolutely so, Catherine Han. Uh, you said it. You know

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she's she's huge right now, right, Yeah, Uh, she's she's

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actually she's filming Knives Out Part two currently. Uh. Just

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came off hot off of Wanda.

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Vision for them disiness nomination.

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I believe immy nomination for WandaVision Parks and Rec. A

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lot of people assume Wanda Vision is her first foray

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into the superhero movies. A lot of people forget she

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actually does a lot of good voice work. She plays

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doc oc uh for the film Into the Spider Verse.

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Oh yeah, yeah, and she and it's a it's a

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fun doc oc you know. So I'll ask you real

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quick because you've watched you've watched a lot of her stuff,

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and you've seen both series, which Katherine Han, do you prefer?

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Do you like the WandaVision Katherine Han or do you

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like the Parks and Rec Katherine Hahn.

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I think she's kind of always a combination of all those.

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She brings her her personality to every part. You know,

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there's always a little bit of her in whatever she's playing,

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you know, main bad guy or a completely messed up,

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crazy girl, and like step brothers, it's her kind of

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comedy and personality that always stands out.

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I think. Okay, so she's she's a very good actress, beautiful,

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she's sexy and above all she very funny.

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Yeah.

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I think she's the goldiehun of her generation.

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Yeah, she's really good.

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She's the next she's the new Goldie hon Right. Okay,

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so she's playing the mom. We've got relative newcomers playing

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her kids. So you've got Olivia de Jong and playing Becca,

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who is the fifteen year old aspiring filmmaker. Yes, and

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then you've got ed Oxenbold who plays her thirteen year

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old brother, Tyler, who is a who is an aspiring rapper.

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Yes, you know, because he's his most thirteen year old

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you know boys want to do.

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Yeah, he's a thirteen year old white kid who has nothing,

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knows nothing about the hood. But yeah, he could be

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a he can be a rapper. I think it's you know,

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and again, these these kids have done a lot of TV,

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I think, but they're relatively unknown because they're both Australian.

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Oh really, I didn't know that.

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I had no idea because you would you would think

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like a young actor, it would be difficult for them

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to pull off accents. There's not a hint of OSSI

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in their in their dialogue, so I.

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Think they just seem like regular little brats.

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Yeah, they're fun. Now I'll tell you who's really fun.

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Let's talk about the other, uh, the last two people.

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So you've got Deanna Dunnagan playing Nana, Nana Nana, and

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then you've got Peter McRobbie playing Pop Pop of course, innocent, innocent,

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they're sweet, they're sweet grandparents. Uh, I got a I

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got a quick eighty six moment for you, Brad, because

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we love every other episode we're talking about nineteen and

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six movies a little uh doing a little digging. These two, uh,

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you know, have been featured on our episodes before. Deanna Dunagan, Uh,

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she actually plays sister Rebecca in Running Scared. You know

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we talked about Running Scared a couple months back.

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Oh yeah, poor sister Rebecca, Poor sister Rebecca.

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Yeah, so that's that's her. Uh. Peter McRobbie, he's actually

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in The Manhattan Project, which I know we haven't done yet,

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but it's on the I know we've got that on

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the schedule for coming up later or early next year,

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I think is what we got that. But yeah, we

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got some eighty six veterans house and.

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We found a way to get a shout out to

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Scott Hoffman even when he's not on the show.

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Even with Scott's not here, we're still gonna have to

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know what episodes he's on. We're still gonna call out

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one of his episodes. Uh. Now, Deanna Dunnagan, aside from

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sister Rebecca, I don't really know a lot about her.

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I know she's got like seven, like sixty seventy film credits,

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but a lot of TV. Uh. Same thing with Peter McRobbie.

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Uh Now, I recognized him from the Dare Did you

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watch the Daredevil series on Netflix?

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I believe it?

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that Matt goes to see. Oh okay, I mean when

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he's cleaned up and talking you know intelligently.

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You would never Yeah, he's not empty depends.

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Yeah, he is not pop pop in in Daredevil at all.

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But yeah, and and again he's got like over one

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hundred acting credits a of television. I was looking at

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I was looking at his IMDb. If you've watched the

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TV show. Chances are he was on it. YEP. So

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this is a it's a it's a small it's a

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very small cast here, very intimate, and it's one of

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those things where you don't need a lot of outside characters.

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No, this is a five million dollar movie.

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Yeah, you don't have time for other characters, and you

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want to stick with these with these uh, these five really,

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I mean you could say these four because Catherine Hahn,

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you know, they they're doing the skype visits with their

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mom while she's out on the boat. But it's few

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and far between.

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So yeah, And and the thing is, yeah, there's there's

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a maybe not so famous cast in this movie, but

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even in there when there is a star and a

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list star. You were going to see these movies because

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they're m Knight's movies. He is the star of these movies.

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You know, you didn't go see Signs because mel Gibson

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was in it. You saw it because M knight was

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doing it. Same with you know, Mark Wahlberg in The Happening.

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He he is the star of all of his films.

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I could not agree more. Even even when Unbreakable was

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his second one. I didn't go see it because it

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was Bruce Willis. I went and saw it because yeah,

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it was the guy that gave us the sixth sense,

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and yeah, oh my god, what's he gonna do with

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this one? Right? So again, you so you liked it,

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you didn't like it.

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I mean, I what I did is what I I

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had assumed what you had actually now just told me

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that I think with the you know, box office failure

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of films like The Last Airbender and after Earth, he

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wanted to get his feet wet, you know, back into

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the suspense world again. You know that's you know, uh,

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cover old ground is the best way to do it,

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get your feet wet. And you know, and he did,

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you know, is it his best effort? I definitely not.

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I I kind of wanted a little bit more of

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his kind of touch to it, especially when we came

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to that you know, famous always m night twist. But

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you know, I saw what it was and I and

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I'm glad that he didn't like I said, take it

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too seriously. It was a fun movie, but you know,

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it is one of those things where the found footage

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movie had been kind of done to death. So it

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was another found footage movie. But I wasn't upset when

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you know, it's like you usually say in a found

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footage film, put down the camera and just run. There

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are some genuine, you know, genuine great scares and some

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things that I don't know if you want to touch

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on it on this episode that really make me cringe.

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And I think I know what you're talking about, and

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we could definitely get into them. Uh, let's let's be

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fair to our listeners though, because you know, you see

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a lot of movies and you know who m Night is,

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and you hadn't seen this, and you just talked about

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that that Shyamalan twist, you know that that he's famous for.

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Do you want to agree right now that we don't

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give away the twist? Yeah, okay, we could, we can,

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we can talk around it. But the thing is, he

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quickly became known for that, so everyone's expecting it, right,

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and then it becomes a thing where maybe it was

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built up too much, so, you know, the thing with

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the Last Airbender and even after Earth, there is no

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twist right because he didn't he wanted to get away

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from that. He didn't want to be known just for that,

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but it's what audiences were expecting from him. It's what

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the audience has wanted from him. So the visit, it's

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like the first film in years for his career where

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he went back to that giving you that that twist.

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So at this point people are like, well, they're not

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expecting it. You know, he had he had caniven you

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not to expect it. Then you're like you, okay, it's

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a found footage movie. And to your point, Brad, yeah,

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he's maybe he's a little late to the game with

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the the sub genre because it's been it's been happening

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for sixteen years. Yeah, but damn, I think he does

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it great. You know. Oh I like the way Yeah,

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well I'm talking about even like the found footage. You

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have to always be careful with the found footage movies

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and the the plot trope of how is the camera

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set up and why is the camera set up? Yes,

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and I totally dig that, you know, the the young

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girls making her own documentary film about reconnecting with her

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grandparents and m Knight. He does such a great thing.

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He's a he's a he's one of these directors that's

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a great visual storyteller. Think about some of his shots

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in the sixth sense, they think about his shots in Unbreakable,

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for example, you know he likes to use reflective lenses.

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He likes to use those.

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Those He likes to make things look not winter cold.

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Just cold.

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Yeah, well he looks cold and bitter.

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He does what I think you could call comic book framing.

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You know, he's not gonna show he's not gonna point

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the camera straight at the actor. He's gonna point he's

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coming from an angle. He's gonna be above him, he's

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gonna be below him, he might be behind him. He

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gives you really dynamic shots. Yeah, and to do that

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inside of a found footage movie where two of the

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characters are constantly carrying the camera and moving the camera,

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I think that's pretty damn difficult, And he succeeds.

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In my mind, and I think, is I think that

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I did. It's not that I didn't like the twist.

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The twist I like, but usually he gives you the

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twist and gives you the full on, like backwards map

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of explanation about it. I thought there was maybe a

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little too many questions Dan, like, Okay, well tell me

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a little bit more about that twist. But other than that,

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the twist itself is fantastic.

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Well, now I'm gonna I'm gonna slightly disagree to your

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point as far as the twist, because you're right, the

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sixth sense unbreakable. There's that quick, there's flash, there's yeah,

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those recuts of like he's showing you stuff that he

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already showed you, yes, and kind of letting you sum

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it up. I appreciate that in this one he expects

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you to put it together. He doesn't get he doesn't

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spoonfeed it to you. Now, don't you's me wrong. I

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love I love the way he does it in his

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his earlier work. But it's one of those things where

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when you do get to the twist of this movie,

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at least for me, it started firing off in my

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head some of the scenes that I've seen before that

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I thought, well, that's kind of odd dialogue or that's

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that's an odd thing to show. Yeah, and and I

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I added it up myself, and I like. I like

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that he he gives you that that opportunity because I'll

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tell you on a second the second like when you

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go back and do a second viewing, because this was

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I watched this recently, probably my my third or fourth

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time I've seen it, and I'll tell you when you

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know the ending, you are. I mean it's like, uh,

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it's like your neo looking in the matrix. You can

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see everything coming that. That's that's spelling out what what's

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the ending is going to be for you? And it's

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in front of your face the whole time, and I.

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Dig it and it doesn't ruin your experience. It's for

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it either. You still have an enjoyable experience watching it too.

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Yeah, oh absolutely.

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And the thing is and then I can also understand

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of not giving me a full explanation. You know, if

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we're doing a found footage movie, we can't just switch

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the frame and say like, okay, now we're doing HD

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thing and I'm going to show you the back footage

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like how I would do in all my other movies.

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I don't really show it. So they might have thought, well,

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we might want to just not really do that, because

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how do we do it and not make it look

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forced through found footage? So you know I can see that.

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I just I think I always like to see what

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he's going to give me.

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You know, you talked about you know this doesn't feel

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like your standard m night movie. No, but I think

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what we have to remember is Yes, it is a

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found footage movie, which is not something he's done before.

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And I think a big piece that makes this movie

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feel like it isn't an m Night movie is not

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only is it the absence of the film score, but

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it's the absence of a James Newton Howard film score. Yeah,

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because they are. They're great collaborators. That guy does amazing

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music for his movies, and here's an opportunity, here's a

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situation where it's not there. Yeah, you know, and it

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kind of lets you know, like, Hey, I think music,

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to an extent, it's almost like a cheat. Sometimes the

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music tells you how to feel, or it tells you

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what to expect. And in this movie, I think some

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of the reasons why the thrills really work and some

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of those scares really work is because we don't have

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the music cues to tell us to be scared or

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to prepare us for it.

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Would you agree, Yeah, because you are literally jumping, even

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though it might not be scary, you are jumping. See.

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I think m Night, like Steven Spielberg, really must hate

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children and just loves terrifying children in movies as much

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as possible, just giving them nightmares. For the rest of

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their lives. But but but I enjoy that. And I

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also like the fact that, yeah, they're doing the documentary

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about mom's life on the farm, but a quarter into

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the movie they even they just turn chords and go, no,

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we're gonna film what these weird grandparents are doing instead,

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And then the camera makes more.

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Sense, you know, Like you said, the jumps are good.

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I like the jumps. Let's take a quick break and

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then we'll jump back into it. Brad. Yeah, okay, Brad,

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So let's talk a little bit more about m night.

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I think, you know, we we can talk a little

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bit more about the movie here, but before we get

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too too far into it, let's do a little bit

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of his background. Yes, so again and again, not not

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a lot, not a big body of work. He's he

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does a lot of writing. He's done directing, obviously, he's

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done acting. What do you what do you think? What's uh?

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What are what are some of his movies that stand

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out to you?

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Well, here's the thing that makes him stand out with

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everyone else. He first of all, he writes and directs

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all of his movies. No comic book adaptations, no novel adaptations,

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no TV series, turning in a movie all him, all

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the time, and he's been offered three Harry Potter films,

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a Batman film, I believe, a Marvel film, a Superman film,

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and has said no to all of them. And he

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is the only director that has made a career out

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of marketing his own name better than anyone in Hollywood.

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Since nineteen ninety nine, when The Sixth Sense came out,

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his name was everywhere and ever since them. Like I

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said before, he's the star of the movie. You were

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going to see his movie, and you know, like I said,

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when you're watching a trailer and the first thing it

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comes up, it says, you know from m Night Shamalan,

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you know, Okay, this is going to be unique. This

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is going to be something completely different. And as many

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movies as you see of his that you may enjoy,

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may not enjoy, you keep wanting to go back to him.

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You will constantly see And I don't know any other

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directory to do that. Maybe Christopher Nolan, but I feel

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like it kind of started with him, and like I said,

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he basically gave us, right from the get go, one

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of the most perfect screenplays of all time with The

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Sixth Sense. And I heard this story about him from

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a professor. I hope it's true that there were so

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many revisions, because obviously, you know, saying of editing this

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film and trying to find out which version works the best,

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so many revisions of that screenplay that the stack stood

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about four feet feet high, and he has it in

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his office in a glass case of all the revisions

467
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of The Sixth Sense and does Unbreakable one year after that.

468
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:58.400
But really it was the year nineteen ninety nine where

469
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:03.319
he took all those blockbusters, Episode One, the Matrix Player,

470
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.920
Witch Project, and he made those movies Is Bitch, and

471
00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.720
he basically ruled that year. I like that, though, that

472
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.599
you're going to see a movie based on a writer director,

473
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.119
not a good looking girl, not a good looking guy,

474
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.240
just because you like that guy's way he writes and directs.

475
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.640
And I think that's really great, even if you don't

476
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.640
like all of his films, and I can say even

477
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.319
I don't, but you gotta respect that.

478
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:36.200
I think it's a bold move when the creator, whether

479
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.599
you're talking writer director, when they put their name up

480
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.880
on the marquee, they're introducing the movie as their name,

481
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.200
you know, you know, basically showing it this is the brand, right.

482
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.880
I think anytime I see something that says Stephen King's

483
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:59.319
such and such or John Carpenter's such and such, you know, right,

484
00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.359
I know what to expect, and I'm going to expect

485
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:06.480
a good time. I feel that he's definitely earned that

486
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.960
that that clout to have his name up there. Yeah,

487
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:14.519
Shamalan's the visit because when I see his name, I

488
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.960
I know I'm in for a good ride.

489
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:21.440
Yeah. You know, you're like, wait, pay attention, pay attention

490
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.319
to this, to this trailer, because you're gonna miss something,

491
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.000
because you know, when you watch his movies, you got

492
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:28.319
you gotta pay attention to him. So let's talk.

493
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.960
Let's do Let's do this because uh, I think a

494
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.039
lot of people have seen the majority of his work.

495
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.000
I know we have, uh, with exception to the visit,

496
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.559
you know, uh in this case, but let's talk. Let's

497
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:42.480
do this because we could talk for an hour about

498
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.119
his filmography. I want to challenge you this way, Brad.

499
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.119
Let's let's let me ask you this. Your favorite m

500
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:52.359
Night movie, your least favorite, and one that you haven't

501
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.079
seen that you want to or maybe one that you've

502
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:58.559
seen but maybe you should. You should revisit no pund

503
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.480
so favorite movie, B favorite favorite m Night movie.

504
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:07.359
Unbreakable, because that movie just showed up about ten years

505
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.559
or too early. If it would have showed up twenty

506
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.400
ten or beyond, it would have been the biggest movie,

507
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.799
you know, just as big as Marvel movies, DC movies.

508
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:25.240
Least favorite, I'm probably gonna have to say The Village

509
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.319
I wasn't a big fan of, because I don't want

510
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.440
to say a movie that I hadn't seen, but The

511
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:31.920
Village I always be a big fan of one. I

512
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.039
guess I would like to revisit would be split. I

513
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.000
wasn't a big fan of it first, but I just

514
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.119
recently watched The Glass for the first time and I

515
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.039
really enjoyed it. And I like that it took what

516
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:50.400
nineteen years for that whole story to come together, and

517
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.759
I thought he he fitted together really well. And like

518
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:56.039
I said, you know, he this is his world, this

519
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.480
is the m Night world. So like I said, doesn't

520
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.119
have to worry about staying true to any adaptations or anything.

521
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.480
He makes all of his rules and I really like that.

522
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:08.640
All Right, Well, I gotta challenge you a little bit,

523
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:12.200
so I'm gonna first off, I will agree with you.

524
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:19.160
My favorite M Night film, unquestionably is Unbreakable. I actually

525
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.200
I put Unbreakable. I put that my top five of

526
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.799
all time. You know, I don't care what anyone says.

527
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.400
What do you mean, m Knights in your top five

528
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.359
of all time? Yeah, Unbreakable is up there. I don't

529
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.000
care what anyone says. It's that good. Now you say

530
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.720
it was ten years too early. I say it was

531
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.599
right on time. And I say that because it avoided

532
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:48.000
the superhero juggernaut, you know, machine of the Don't get

533
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.240
me wrong. I love the MCU, I love the DC stuff.

534
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.400
I love superhero movies. But I feel like if his

535
00:28:55.519 --> 00:29:00.279
would have came out around that time, studio pressures would

536
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.960
have pushed him to cut it and form it and

537
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.960
shape it into more of a superhero movie. Yeah, which

538
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.400
it is in my opinion, it truly is. But it's

539
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.519
a superhero's origin story, much like Split and Glass. You know.

540
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.759
I like to refer to those three as like a

541
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.720
hero's origin story because each one of them get their

542
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.839
chance to shine. Yeah, so I kind of I agree

543
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.599
with you. That's my favorite. I disagree with you about

544
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.480
it being early least favorite. I like the Village I

545
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:33.720
thought it was fun again that twist. You know, I'm

546
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:37.400
assuming to see some crazy monster stalking these people, and

547
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.599
then you find out it's just this weird cult like

548
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.079
group that just wants to be left to themselves, kept

549
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.440
to themselves, and they use a spooky story to keep

550
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:48.920
the kids at bay.

551
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:49.839
I like that.

552
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:55.240
For me, I would say least favorite probably would be

553
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.400
The Happening. Now. I saw The Happening when it first

554
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:02.839
came out, and I was a lot younger, obviously, and

555
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.720
I don't think I was ready for The Happening. I

556
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.480
wanted more of an action movie. I wanted more, I

557
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.279
wanted a better explanation. I wanted a better villain, yeah,

558
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:15.720
aside from just plants.

559
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:16.480
Yeah.

560
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.440
But I have to be honest. Watching it last week,

561
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.160
a little older, a little wiser, I really enjoyed it.

562
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:29.799
Not so much that I think it's a better film

563
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.480
than some of his other stuff, but I still watch

564
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.680
it thinking this is a this Actually, this is a

565
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:40.519
damn good movie. It's got a great message, which sometimes

566
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:42.599
he doesn't. He's not the guy that gives us the

567
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.519
message movie often, but I think he succeeded with that one.

568
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:50.039
And I don't care what anyone says, the first thirty

569
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:55.319
minutes of that movie are terrifying, absolutely terrifying. You know,

570
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.559
the construction workers just just nose diving off the top

571
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.759
of the building, and yeah, cops just you know grab

572
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:06.920
you know, the seasons only movie. Yeah, it's absolutely terrifying.

573
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.160
Anytime John Loquizamo shows up, I'm a huge fan. I

574
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.319
think this is one of Liquizamo's cooler.

575
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.079
Roles from Revenge.

576
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.519
Johnny lags from Revenge. Uh, the little girl that plays

577
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.839
his daughter, I don't remember her name, amazing little actress.

578
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.799
So and Mark Wahlberg, Yeah, he's he's He's Mark Wahlberg

579
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.319
in most things. But he's also to me, like watching

580
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.519
it again, I believed him as a science teacher. I

581
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:35.279
believe I believe him as a guy that could maybe

582
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:36.240
give us some answer.

583
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.920
So, but I also feel like, once again, you could

584
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.200
put anybody in that in those parts. It doesn't matter.

585
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:44.640
You're there to see m Night Shams movie.

586
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.400
You're absolutely right. Now as far as the movie, I

587
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:52.559
need to revisit or see, Uh, there are there's just

588
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.640
a few things that I haven't seen that I've got

589
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.519
on my list, especially you know lately, because you know,

590
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.000
we're getting ready for old to come out. Uh, yeah,

591
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:01.559
I've been, we've been. We've both been on a big

592
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.680
m night kick. I myself, I've never seen Lady in

593
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.039
the Water, which I know is kind of his foray

594
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.759
into the fairy tale story. Yeah, and I'm thinking, I like,

595
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:17.160
I love him night. Paul Giamatti is amazing, and Bryce

596
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.240
Alice Howard, she's she's great and everything she does. So

597
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.079
I again, I know that's not one of his bigger hits,

598
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.759
but I feel like I have to. I have to

599
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:25.839
see that one next.

600
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:30.559
Well, I didn't see that happening per your review. Now

601
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.039
you're telling me see the happening per your review.

602
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.599
Listen. Uh yeah, thirty thirty year old Jeff told you.

603
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.079
I remember. I remember, I remember being in the theater,

604
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.759
and once you find out what the big twist is

605
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.359
and that happening, I be honest, I remember, I was

606
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.480
a little pissed. I was like, yeah, are you serious

607
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.640
that we're fighting plants?

608
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:53.000
Yes? I was.

609
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:57.039
I was not happy. But and you know, you should

610
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.680
have listened to thirty year old Jeff. But I'm telling you, uh,

611
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.480
now listen, listen to listen to forty year old Jeff,

612
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.039
because I think you'd like it. Okay, see see it

613
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.480
for just the fact that it's m night. See it

614
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.039
because John Loquizamo, Johnny Legs is in there. Uh, just

615
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:14.319
see it, is what I say.

616
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.880
Now, there are a couple of things in the visit

617
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:25.680
that I would want to say cringe worthy. Did you

618
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:31.000
find it comical or just unnecessary that, uh Pop Pop

619
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:33.799
the way he treated poor Tyler?

620
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:34.599
Uh?

621
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.119
Okay, So let's I don't even know if I want

622
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:38.680
to say it.

623
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:40.559
So let's let's set it up a little bit for

624
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.480
the listeners that haven't seen the movie. The kids arrive

625
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:48.799
to the grandparents' house and they're there for five days.

626
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.599
So this is one of those classic tropes of you know,

627
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.920
giant title cards of the screen Monday morning. Yeah, you're

628
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:57.640
gonna get to Tuesday. You know, they're they're counting it down. Basically,

629
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:02.720
it does didn't take more than a day for Nana

630
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.920
and Pop Pop to start exhibiting some strange behaviors. Yes,

631
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.159
and at first you're like, whoa, that's a little weird,

632
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:15.360
but things are explained away in a sense that you're like, yeah,

633
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.880
that that makes perfect sense. So I think one of

634
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:22.239
the first reveals, you know, because they The grandparents are

635
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.760
very strict in the sense that you know, they say, hey,

636
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.639
we're old world fashion, so bedtime, bedtime at nine thirty nine.

637
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.800
Stay best to stay in your rooms from then on

638
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.320
and then and they also warn them there's mold in

639
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.400
the basement. Don't go in the basement. Yes, so you

640
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.800
get that creepy vibright from the get go, because they're

641
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:45.920
kind of setting it up like, hey, don't go in there,

642
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.920
don't go out of your room after nine thirty, don't

643
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.519
go in the shed. You know, there's a lot of

644
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:56.559
that kind of stuff. Yeah, And you know, like Becca,

645
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.360
she's like, hey, it's ten, it's like ten something, ten thirty.

646
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:01.760
She got some cookies I want to snack. She opens

647
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:07.320
the door and Nana is in her nighty downstairs just

648
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.360
projectile vomiting, just on the floor. Not just like not

649
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.159
not in a sense like you know, we've all seen

650
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.239
that that family member or that friend who get you know,

651
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.960
gets sick, and you immediately it's it's in it's our

652
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.159
it's our nature to say, you want to go help them,

653
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.760
like are they Nana's doing it in a way that

654
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.719
is terrifying because she's kind of in that trance and

655
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.480
she just you know, just like Linda Blair projectile unhing,

656
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:37.920
you know, for a brief second, and then she walks

657
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.079
and then she does it again. So these kids are

658
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.280
freaked out. Yeah, and Pop, you know, Pop Pop the

659
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.880
next day is like, oh, she has a touch of

660
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.360
the flu one of the twenty four hour bugs. Yeah,

661
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.119
no big deal. Yeah they're old. Yeah they're old.

662
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.519
That was that's the excuse for everything. They're old.

663
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.880
Yeah, they keep explaining. Yeah, they're explaining it away. They're old,

664
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.480
you know. Next to you, Pop Pop keeps the shed

665
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.920
locked up, and Tyler, you know, he's gonna go, he's

666
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.320
gonna investigate. You know, he's like, maybe there's dead bodies

667
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.320
in there. He's being a kid, you know. Yeah, and

668
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.800
worse than a dead body, there is a pile I

669
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:19.599
gotta be fifty sixty maybe one hundred adult diapers, used

670
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:24.119
adult diapers that he discovers and freaks out as anybody would.

671
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:30.239
And again, a kid who has a major phobia.

672
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.920
Yeah, he's extremely germophobic. It's one of those things like

673
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.880
it was like on set when his father left, right,

674
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:41.320
that was like his coping mechanism. But again, Nana explains

675
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.239
it away. Hey, Pop, pop has something called incontinents. He

676
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.440
can't control himself. And because he's he's of a generation,

677
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.239
he's proud and he's a little shamed. He hides it.

678
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.440
He hides what he does in the shed. Then he

679
00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:00.679
burns it later in the field. Yeah, and you're like, okay, yeah,

680
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.440
they're old. That's creepy, but it's also it's it's a

681
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.440
little sad, right, and we don't think nothing of it.

682
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.800
But that's when Nana starts getting really creepy at night,

683
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.280
doing the you know, crawling around and scratching at the

684
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.280
door and she's missing her clothes sometimes.

685
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:18.280
Talk about night terrors.

686
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:22.400
Man, Oh god, I mean I'm terrified. Deanna Dunn again

687
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:28.360
in this role, is legitimately terrifying. And hats off to

688
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.800
her because in the moments where she's lucid, you know,

689
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.440
baking cookies and being sweet, I have to be honest,

690
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.480
and you know, you know, you might be like, what,

691
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.559
but I'm gonna say it. She's she's a very attractive

692
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:46.400
older woman, has a very classic beauty, especially when she's

693
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.519
got her hair done and she's in her her nice

694
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:52.840
clothes and looking sweet, you know, but cookie, she's she's

695
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.880
she's a classic beauty in that Yeah at night, absolutely

696
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.320
terrifying looks like looks like like some kind of creature.

697
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:03.840
She looks like the beast.

698
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.119
Yeah she I mean, hats off to him for the

699
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.559
way he lit the scenes and how he shoots her,

700
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.480
because she's terrifying looking. And again it's explained away Pop

701
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.320
Pop's like, Nana has this condition. It's it's called sundowning,

702
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:20.840
you know, which is it's a real thing. It's something

703
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.639
that you know, sadly older older people. It's a it's

704
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:25.480
like a dementia thing.

705
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.800
It you know, you know the little girl looks it up.

706
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:30.199
You know, she's like, well I checked it out.

707
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.000
Yeah, you know. It just you know, paranoia, aggravation, agitation,

708
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.719
confusion and you're you're not acting like yourself, and it's

709
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.039
it's a terrible thing. It's a terrible, terrible, sad thing

710
00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:46.800
that that the a lot of a lot of people

711
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.159
struggle with, you know. So in this movie, yeah, it's

712
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.719
it's the mechan it's used as a as a fearsome mechanism.

713
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.039
But at the same time, when pop Pop kind of

714
00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.400
explains it, you again you go back to it's maybe

715
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.199
it's a little sad. Yeah, So m Knight does a great.

716
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:04.599
And then they just get creepier and creepier.

717
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:06.800
YEAHM Knight does a great job of bouncing you back.

718
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.159
He like, he scares you with their behavior. Then he

719
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.800
explains it, he justifies it where you're you almost feel guilty, like, Okay,

720
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.039
I shouldn't feel you know, I shouldn't be creeped out.

721
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.440
That's yeah, it's sad. Yeah, but didn't we get closer

722
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.320
and closer to the you know, it's almost the end

723
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.800
of the week and we're getting closer and closer to

724
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.840
the big twist and it's all justified.

725
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.880
Yeah. So if Jaws made you not want to go

726
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.440
in the water and Psycho made you afraid of taking

727
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.199
the shower, this movie will make your thirteen year olds

728
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.360
never wanting to stay with their grandparents ever again.

729
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.320
I think any kid that sees this is gonna say,

730
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.039
I'm never going to Pop Pop and Nan, Yeah, Mamma

731
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.960
and Papa's it's it's that's off the table.

732
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:53.079
Yeah, it's gone.

733
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.960
Yeah, you know, I gotta be honest. What Pop Pop

734
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.880
does to young Tyler, that that that u that psychological

735
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.079
terror that he does at the end. Yeah, let's let's

736
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:05.119
just leave that unsaid that.

737
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.440
We've told you what's involved. We told you what the

738
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.920
kid has a phobia of use your imagination. You're dead on.

739
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.239
Yeah, I think we've I think we've I think we've

740
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.480
done an m night version of putting the breadcrumbs out there.

741
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.199
They can draw their own conclusions if they don't want

742
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:19.679
to see the movie.

743
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.239
But uh, what did you think of one last thing

744
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:27.400
at the end of the film. This is something we

745
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.199
never imagined from this kind of movie from him.

746
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:33.599
I loved it. I thought it was fun.

747
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.960
Yes, it was once again takes us back to remember

748
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:39.079
this is a fun movie.

749
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:44.719
Yeah, it's It's one of those things where you you've

750
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:50.039
gone so long in the film with with either dialogue

751
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.599
or silence, and for that to just explode into your

752
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.079
ear drums. I love it. Yeah, I think I think.

753
00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:59.039
I think it works. I think it's brilliant. Honestly, definitely

754
00:40:59.119 --> 00:40:59.960
loved it. Definitely loved it.

755
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.760
So we got old coming up this Friday.

756
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:05.639
This Friday, I know where I'm going to be. I'm

757
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:06.519
going to I'm going to see it.

758
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.159
He's in pre production of another film. It's a looks

759
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:10.840
like a love story. What do you see? What do

760
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:12.719
you want to see next from Every Night.

761
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.960
Let me tell you about what's next, because you said,

762
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:19.239
he's it looks like an old a love story.

763
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:21.000
Yeah, but what would you like?

764
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.000
Well, hold on, let me let me just talk about

765
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.239
let me talk about this soul. Uh So yeah, Old's

766
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:30.119
coming out this Friday, up next written in director, he's

767
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.039
directing it. He wrote it called labor Labor of Love. Okay.

768
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.400
I did a little digging on this because I saw

769
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.239
that title and I thought, huh, that does not sound

770
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.480
like an m Night film. So I don't know if

771
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.639
you know what do you know what labor love is?

772
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:46.039
Have you heard about it?

773
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:47.360
That this film?

774
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:47.480
No?

775
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.239
I didn't know whether he was working on this till

776
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:50.000
very recently.

777
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:54.199
So dig this Labor Love is about a widower who

778
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.599
goes on a cross country journey on foot to prove

779
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:03.800
his love for his late wife. Now. It was written

780
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.719
in nineteen ninety two, picked up by Fox in ninety three.

781
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.079
Back then, Harrison Ford was attached to star as the

782
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.320
main as the main character, and none other than uh,

783
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.599
the director of the Yakuza, Sidney Pollock was attached to direct. Wow, Now,

784
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.320
why did it? Why did it fall apart? You're gonna

785
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.480
you're this is here's a here's a Shamalan twist for you.

786
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:33.400
The movie falls apart, uh Luke goes out of production

787
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:38.320
because at the same time, Eric Roth's script for Forrest

788
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.480
Gumped Gump is out there, and the whole the whole

789
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.960
concept of Gump, you know, going on this cross country

790
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.719
journey running to prove his love for Jenny. They basically said,

791
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.960
way too similar plot points. Sorry, we're not doing labor

792
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.840
of love. So it gets shelved, it goes into development hell,

793
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:02.679
and is never heard from again until now. Okay, So again,

794
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.079
is there gonna be a Shyamalan twist? I don't know,

795
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:08.960
but or is he gonna do something new and try

796
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.159
a romantic movie or a drama you know, who knows,

797
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.320
But we're gonna find out that's his next movie. As

798
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.760
far as what's what I would like to see him do.

799
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.960
I think he's one of the better story storytellers that

800
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:29.360
that's out there right now, and I would like to

801
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.719
see him do what he's continuing to do. You know,

802
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.000
he jumps here and there from genre to genre. Yeah.

803
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:39.119
I want to see an m Night Shyamalan movie that's

804
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:41.280
a Western. Yeah.

805
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.039
Yeah, it's just something that doesn't need a twist.

806
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.199
Yeah, maybe there's a twist. Maybe there's not a twist.

807
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.480
I don't Honestly, I don't care because I don't watch

808
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.320
his movies for the twist. I watch him because they're

809
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.719
just damn good movies. But I'd like to see what

810
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.599
he does with a period piece, a true period piece. Yes,

811
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.480
you know, we know the Village was we were, it

812
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.119
was set up to make a singler watching a period

813
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.000
piece when when we weren't. I would love to see

814
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.480
him do a true period piece and see see what

815
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.039
he can come up with. I think that'd be kind

816
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:11.840
of cool. What about you?

817
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:12.320
What do you?

818
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:12.760
What do you want?

819
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.360
I agree with that totally because he does have a

820
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.679
a great eye. But like you said, the village, it's

821
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:20.440
it's more contained with the village. So I'd like to

822
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.199
see him his eye branch out with something like, yeah,

823
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:25.679
I give him a big app epic. You know, I mean,

824
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.360
this guy, this guy needs his uh he needs his oscar.

825
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.039
You know, he he didn't get it yet, but uh,

826
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:33.360
he still needs it.

827
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.440
I don't understand that. I mean, he's and I'm not

828
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.840
talking about just for directing, but he's written some of

829
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.400
the coolest stuff any directs, So I think he I

830
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.199
think I think he's overdue, honestly.

831
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:48.840
But you know, and I think it is time to

832
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.079
kind of make that switch. And like I said, not

833
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.760
give what the studios are always asking for. Where where's

834
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.239
your suspenseful twist? Well, maybe I don't.

835
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.360
Have to do that this time, can I I want

836
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.880
to pick on you for minute, because we just talked

837
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.920
about Oscar Noms and going back to you said you'd

838
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:08.639
want to revisit Split. The first time you watched it,

839
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:14.280
you didn't really care for it. Now I think it's

840
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:20.280
it's criminal that James McAvoy wasn't nominated for any kind

841
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:23.800
of award for his performance in Split, because the guy

842
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:31.360
did like twenty three different roles, yeah, across two movies playing,

843
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.800
and he's he's incredible. It's by far my favorite James

844
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:41.639
McAvoy performance. I can't believe you didn't. You didn't care

845
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:42.400
for that, You didn't like that?

846
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.000
Well, I think it's just at the time, not knowing

847
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.679
where it was going to lead with Glass, And like

848
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.360
I said, I just watched Glass like two nights ago.

849
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.639
Now knowing that that there's literally one film about a hero,

850
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.880
one film about a villain, and then the third film

851
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.880
is where it all comes together. I'm like, wow, I

852
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.159
didn't really see it like that before. But now when

853
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.440
you when you see it as a whole, when you

854
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.280
really look at it as a whole, it's one. You know,

855
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.480
it's one big adventure. And I really look at it

856
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:14.239
that So now I would like to watch it like

857
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.280
all the way through, from Unbreakable to Split to Glass,

858
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:18.800
all the way.

859
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:20.760
Through and see I told you, I said, hey, if

860
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.039
you're going to watch this, you need when Glass came out.

861
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.199
So if you're going to watch it, you need to

862
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.360
watch Unbreakable and Split. And you're like, ah, I've seen them.

863
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.039
I'm ready. I'm like, no, you go back to the world.

864
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.719
But and I felt with something like Glass, he even

865
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.800
did step into territory that he hadn't really stepped into.

866
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:38.760
You know. There was there's a lot of action in Glass,

867
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.480
you know, and more you don't see action sequences except

868
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:47.840
in his last Airbender movie, but modern violence or modern

869
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.320
you know fighting, you know, not in a science fiction

870
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.960
world with After Earth, you know. So this was kind

871
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:54.360
of a new new thing for him. A lot of

872
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:56.440
kind of street fighting in Glass.

873
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.400
I'll say one more thing, about Split. Before we split,

874
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.719
there are significant moments, at least for me as a

875
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.519
as a lover of cinema, as a filmgoer. In my life,

876
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.360
there's been significant moments in movies that have made such

877
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:16.880
a profound impact on me that I remember the other.

878
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.000
I remember the theater I saw it, I remember where

879
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.760
I was, I remember what I was doing. And for me,

880
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:25.119
like I said, Unbreakable one of my favorites of all time,

881
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:29.360
one of my favorite pieces of music by James Newton Howard.

882
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.320
And you know, he had given interviews over the years

883
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.039
that he had toyed around with the notion of doing

884
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:40.239
a sequel to Unbreakable, and you know, five years or

885
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.760
ten years, you give up. After a while it becomes like, well,

886
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.920
that would have been nice, but it's too late. So

887
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.440
at the end of Split, when when Kevin Crumb makes

888
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:54.920
his escape and that that music that James Newton Howard

889
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.960
music started creeping in, I immediately, like like dog gears

890
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.960
my I was. I perked up and I thought, I'm

891
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.079
sitting in the theater and I thought, oh my god,

892
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.119
that's the Unbreakable music. And I thought, Okay, I got

893
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.599
real excited. I got real happy. But then I thought,

894
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:14.599
it's not uncommon for composers to go back and revisit

895
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:16.280
some of their other stuff.

896
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:17.760
Yeah, Tony Scott did that all the time.

897
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.440
Tony Scott did it a lot. But when they're in

898
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.960
the diner and they're watching on the news about the

899
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.639
beast and that woman has that throwaway line about, oh

900
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:29.840
my god, it's like that crazy guy in the wheelchair

901
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.239
from like a decade ago that killed all those people

902
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.480
on the train, my heart just kind of stopped for

903
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.760
a second, and then it pull. He rolls past her

904
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.760
and you see Bruce Willis sitting there with the done

905
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.119
security patch on his on his on his shirt. Yeah,

906
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.519
and he says, because she's like, what was his name again?

907
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.119
And then they they he moves into Bruce Willis and

908
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:56.639
he just says, mister Glass. I freaked out because I

909
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.559
immediately I was like, oh my god, I could not

910
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.320
to get out of that theater and call several people

911
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.400
that I knew were major fans of Unbreakable and to

912
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.840
beg them to go see to go see split. You

913
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.880
were one of them, Yeah, David Burns, who does the

914
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.159
eighty six stuff with us a lot. He was one

915
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:15.840
of the first people I called I said, go see

916
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.079
Split tomorrow. Maybe I will. Maybe I'm like, no, go

917
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.639
see Split tomorrow. I can't tell you why, but you

918
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.920
gotta go see Split. I mean, it was killing me

919
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.360
not to be able to talk about it with someone. Yeah,

920
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:29.440
and it was And like everyone I knew that loved

921
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:31.840
Unbreakable just was not in a big herd to see Split.

922
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.880
And I'm like, please just just go see it.

923
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.480
So I think Split is the movie that kind of

924
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.360
brought him out of that funk. You know it was

925
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.519
it was after this film, and it really you know,

926
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.719
you had the happening which they said you didn't like,

927
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.719
you had the Lady in the Water, the Last Airbender,

928
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:56.119
after Earth, he wasn't finding his niche Split brought him back,

929
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.760
It said, all right, he wouldn't have been able to

930
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.719
do Old without the success of Split.

931
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.360
Well, I think more to the point, I think, honestly,

932
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.639
the visit you know, five million dollar movie ends up

933
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:14.239
grossing ninety eight million dollars. Yeah, and again underrated, maybe

934
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:18.760
not by finances, but again this is one of those

935
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.760
situations where it got a lot of good critical reviews. Yeah,

936
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:24.880
but then it got it didn't get a lot and

937
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:29.000
what bothers me going back on it. Even the even

938
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:30.760
a lot of people, a lot of critics that gave

939
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.280
him good reviews, they were like those those backhanded compliments

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because it was like, you know, he's finally back to form,

941
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or he's finally doing something that we want. They were

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kind of in a sense, they were a little cruel,

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I feel like, you know, and then you've got other

944
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people that you know, we were like, ah, this is

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this movie's terrible, and I'm thinking, what movie did you watch?

946
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Because the visit is a very creepy, very tense thriller

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which succeeds in giving you a couple of good laughs

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when you expect it, but more importantly when you need it. Yeah,

949
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all right, Brad, Well, it's about time for us to split.

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We've had a good time talking about M Night Shyamalan.

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If you want to reach out to us, check us

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out the website www dot a film by podcast dot com. Uh.

953
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You can get all your streaming information there. It doesn't

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matter which platform you like. I promise you it's there

955
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and all the episodes are there free to stream download

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at your convenience. And if you want to reach out

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to us, you've got some suggestions you want to talk about.

958
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.719
Which director you'd like to hear about, we'll get to them. Yeah,

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just some fanmail for Brad. You can contact us at

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a film by podcast at gmail dot com.

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See you next time.