Martin Campbell - Vertical Limit

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you know where you are at twenty four

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thousand? You're at the vertical limit. You're already dying. We're talking about

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a film by Martin Campbell from the
year two thousand, his mountain rescue thriller

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Vertical Limit is up. Next,
Welcome back to a film by a podcast.

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I'm Jeff Johnson, and I cannot
think of two more qualified guys to

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recruit for a daring rescue mission.
Today. I'm joined by Andrew Blake Lee.

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Hello, Andrew, Hello, and
returning to the show our friend Warner

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Brothers animation director Andy tom Andy.
Always great to have you back, man,

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Hey, thanks for having me.
Yeah, we you and I we

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we had some great conversations last year
on our nineteen seventy six series. We

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did See, We did Rocky,
we did Assault on pre Sinct thirteen,

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and then we finished up with taxi
driver if I recall that's right, Yeah,

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good, it's it's I'm honestly,
it's it's a it's gonna be fun

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today to have you outside the seventies. You know, see what you think

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about that? I hate venturing outside
the seventies, But I all right,

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well I'm glad. I'm glad you're
gonna do it today for us. So

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today's movie Vertical Limit. Feeling responsible
for his father's death, which occurred during

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a climbing expedition, Peter Garrett has
quit the pursuit in favor of photography,

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while his sister Annie has become a
top climber. After Annie is hired by

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wealthy businessman Elliot Vaughan to lead a
trek up K two, an avalanche causes

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the crew to become trapped. Facing
his fears, Peter assembles a rescue team,

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including experienced climber Montgomery Rick, to
save them. So right off the

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bat, I dig the fact this
is actually written as a sequel to nineteen

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ninety three's Cliffhanger. I believe that
actually, like you get a lot of

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Cliffhanger vibes from it. The dangling
from a rope, the tension, the

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over the top, climbing silliness,
but like in a tense way, it

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makes perfect sense. You mean the
characters too, The characters are so yeah,

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so apparently this should have been a
Stallone's Gabe lead the expedition, but

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uh, you know when when it
didn't, you know, when it all

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kind of fell through, they kind
of retrofited, and now it's a brother

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and sister team instead of who was
it, uh Stallone and and uh Rooker.

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You know now now it's now it's
a Peter and Annie Garrett brother and

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sister played by Chris O'Donnell and and
uh Robin Tunney. The irony here is

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that this summer Stallone is in fact
shooting Cliffhanger too, but like over in

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Germany. So interesting, look like
that was a move. There was a

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Cliffhanger too. There's gonna be h
it's it's it's he's he's filming it this

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summer. He's filming it. Yeah, yeah, yeah while they were making

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this movie. Okay, I was
just over here googling Cliffhanger too, Like,

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wait a minute, did I miss
something? I didn't know there was

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cliff It's happening, you know,
hey, listen at seventy seven years old,

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Sly is still young enough to uh
climb mountains at a tank tops And

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I dig that. Man. I
told I'm all in for it. Can't

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wait if you say so or something. Yeah, hey I will. I

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will absolutely go for an over the
top sequel, you know, bring bring

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Lincoln Hawk back any day. I'm
I'm all for it. Hawks Yeah,

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oh another Nighthawks, Yeah, call
it Billy d He's we could get him.

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So, you know we're talking about
Cliffhanger. You know, we got

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we gotta think when this movie comes
out, we're like seven years removed from

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what has to be one of the
most gripping, intense openings to an action

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movie ever, when stallone he drops
the girl. You know, none of

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us saw that coming, and it
was just like holy shit, Like this

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is this is not gonna be a
typical, you know, action flip where

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the hero saves the girl. And
I think that's relevant because this movie opens

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up in Utah. You know,
you got a father and his two kids.

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They're climbing, and at three minutes
and fifty two seconds in we get

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a heart pounding, grip your seat
type of scene. I mean, is

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it too early to talk about pivotal
moments, because I've seen this movie dozens

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of times and I still like,
I feel my heart my throat every time

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I watch this opening scene. What
do you guys think, Yeah, it's

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definitely not too early to talk about
it, because I feel like it sets

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the pace for the whole movie.
It's, you know, it's it's got

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the the high flying action, that
sort of thing. But also, you

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know, the theme of the whole
movie is you know, death and sacrifice

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and risk, and you can't talk
about the rest of the movie without that

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scene. It's one of those things
that I feel like, you know,

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I think Cliffhanger is the more iconic, you know, hanging from the the

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you know, heights scene, but
it's almost a cliche because it's so tense.

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Okay, And what you just said
there really sums up my whole opinion

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because I have to admit to you
guys, I had never even seen this

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movie. I'd never even heard of
it. It was funny when Jeff mentioned

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it. Have you so going into
it? I didn't. I think I'm

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not saying you're tainted by nostalgia,
but I'm assuming you both have these this

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fondness for it, so I went
in with a blank slate, which I

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think is good. I wanted to
get fresh eyes. And when I saw

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those three on the mountain in the
opening scene, ah, I was looking

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at Crystal Donald. I'm like,
all right, he's safe. The girl.

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They seem to have a nice rapport
that. I'm like, the dad's

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dying, he's he's done. So
there was no tension. I didn't feel

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any tension. I'm like, My
only tension was how's he gonna die?

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Because he's above them on the rope. I mean, I'm assuming he's gonna

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flip around, And when it happened, I'm like, okay, there it

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is so as far as heart palpitating, I was more like, oh,

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so that's how they're gonna do and
whack them anyways. Look, and I'm

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gonna try really hard not to be
this dark cloud. You guys. I

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swear to God, I'm not gonna
crap on this. But I didn't.

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I guess there could have been tension
if I if I would have just shut

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off my brain and thought, oh, they all could die, But I

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knew they weren't gonna okay, especially
to the actor, I'm like, I

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don't know who he is he's dead. He should have just been wearing a

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Star Trek red shirt. Bro I
knew he wasn't gonna make it. I'm

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like, all right, it's no. I'm glad you said that, because

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I, you know, rewatching this
movie. I watched it a bunch when

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it came out. It came out
when I was twelve, so it was

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definitely the sweet spot for me.
But I think this, this movie falls

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under the the same banner as like
Armageddon or that's another good example, the

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rock and that the movies that like
they're over the top, they're silly,

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there's cliches, but I just I
love I love it anyway because you go

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into it with that expectation. I'm
looking for Kane. I'm not looking at

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something profound, you know, And
I trust me. I love a good

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popcorn. I don't want to.
I don't want to come off like that.

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It's yeah, I know, I
hear you. Well listen, So

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you guys, you guys have a
unique position that I don't have when I

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look at this role because or I
look at this scene because when I watched

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the scene, still you know,
I have a younger sister, and I

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couldn't imagine being in Chris O'donnald's position
where my dad is screaming at me to

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cut the rope to save her,
which ultimately kills her. But you guys,

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you guys are fathers, like,
so you know you're looking at you

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got to be looking at it from
a position of save my children. And

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could you imagine having that kind of
conversation though, with with any family member.

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I love I love the moment because
it's as chaotic as that dialogue is.

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That's all improv Martin Campbell tells these
three, here's the situation. React

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So I got to give him credit
for how believable the father's reaction is and

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how he's screaming at his son to
I mean, he's almost threatening him,

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like you're going to kill your sister
if you don't do what I say,

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and she's screaming, don't do this, don't, don't. I did think

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that was really it was gut wrenching
because she's yelling don't do it, he's

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yelling do it. And they actually
run both sides and both of so that

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was a really nice moment. No, trust me, that did evoke some

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emotion. Yelling to cut, she's
yelling, don't cut he's he's like,

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what do I do? It was
and it was really nice. How it

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was really nice? How you know
they cut well, they cut away and

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then you just see him come into
the shot and land on the ground.

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Now, the director in me,
because I was watching with my son,

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he had never seen it, he
said, oh, it looked like he

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just fell like five feet. I
thought that, yeah, but here's as

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a director, you know, I
hear that, and I'm like, you

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know, how they could have fixed
that. You could have had like either

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a you know, a ruffling sound
like off screen just get louder, louder

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louder and then yeah and then hit. You know, so you hear it

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off screen before he actually comes into
the shot because you know, sound until

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he lands and it's like, yeah, he sound like you know, even

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I don't know about a scream,
but something, you know. Yeah,

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yeah, anyway, I still remember
seeing this in the theater and that that

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cut where it's kind of it's everything's
really quiet for a second. It's really,

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you know, really scenic. I
still remember thinking, well, you're

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not gonna fool me again, like
with Cliffhanger, and this time we're gonna

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see some feet land and like it's
gonna be like a woe moment, like

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we that was close, but we're
okay, guys, and then you see

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his body just impact. It's like
brutal. Yeah, let's I want to

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talk about this cast though, so
we go. We know we mentioned Chris

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O'Donnell and Robin Tunny. They're playing
Peter and Andy Garrett. I feel like

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there's good chemistry with them, Like
I believe them as siblings throughout the movie.

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How about what do you guys think? Yeah, I mean obviously there's

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there's the emotional tension of what not. But I think, uh, for

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such a action based movie, I
think especially o'donald carried more emotional weight than

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I think I would have expected from
him. You know, he's not I've

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never known him to be the the
Oscar winning actor carrying all these emotional scenes.

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But for for the action movie genre, I think he was perfect for

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it. It is nice and you
know, I'm not gonna try and jump

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ahead to the end, but when
he's standing over and then the other and

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I are thin gonna kiss because it
was really I mean, like everything in

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this movie, it's turned up to
eleven. So yeah, but they did.

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I do like Chris A. Donald, and I was wondering what happened,

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Like, this guy's a good actor, he's got good acting chops and

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her. I looked her up too, just to you know, cursery,

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and I'm sure you have more information, Jeff, but I thought she was

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great too. You know. Yeah, this I feel like this is a

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situation where we're talking about two actors
right now that I don't understand why they're

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not bigger. Because with o'donald,
he he played the young heart throb.

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You know, we saw him in
school ties, we saw him in what

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was his sense of a woman,
you know, and then he becomes like

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the action he gets the action hero
kick with you know, because Robin and

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Schumacher's to Batman films. And then
after that, you know, he does

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Vertical Limit. This is kind of
I feel like Vertical Limit was where he's

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kind of cementing himself like I can
carry an action film, and then something

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changes and he you know, I
think he's, uh, he's on TV.

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You know, he ended up on
doing like one of the the n

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c I s is or you know, yeah, he's on the Okay,

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yeah, so I mean, you
know, not a bad gig, but

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at the same time, like I
kind of feel like, you know,

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what happened to o'donald, the the
action star, what happened to o'donald like

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the leading man, And the same
thing. The same could be said for

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Robin Tunny because she, you know, I remember she kind of broke out

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with the craft, you know,
she had that she had that small role

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in you know, the Empire Records, is what I want to say.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think they both kind of fell into

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the same category in that they had
this like really young, youthful presence,

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this like kind of sweet innocent energy, you know, even in this and

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as you start to age, that
goes away. And I think that that

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was their that was their appeal and
their charm, you know. Even see

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Chris O. Donald, I was
kind of googling around seeing what other hit

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work he's done. I saw clips
from him on n C I S.

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And he doesn't have the same charisma
as he's you know, in his forties

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now as he did when he was
in his twenties, just because that was

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the the energy he projected was like
young and almost naive and can't do that

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when you're forty five. Yeah,
I think I think a guy like speaking

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to that, I think a guy
kind of worked it out, yeah,

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where he had that charm, youthful
charm, and then his later rolls he's

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stipped, not his youthful charm.
Now, any no, any I like

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that because when now that I'm thinking
about, think of Matt Damon's career and

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Chris o'donald's career. Chris o'donald was
it seems like he was on the Matt

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Damon plan. He did the you
know, the youthful heart throb young guy

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movie. Then he becomes the action
star, he becomes Jason Bourne. But

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then he turns it on and he
he's a serious dramatic actor. And I

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don't know how donald, I don't
know what well, I don't know how

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McDonald like kind of took a different
step. It might have just been that

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Batman anchor around his neck, you
know people good point. Yeah, the

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good Batman's so exactly h holy rested
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cannot get enough of, and it
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with us. Bill Paxton playing billionaire
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based on Richard Branson and when you
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How how does Paxton do it?
He he's the villain. He you

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know, you could say you could
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K two is the villain, is
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Bill Paxton's character, he is the
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like I'm I like him? Am
I wrong? Like Andrew? I know

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you and I go back and forth
on on the gray areas of the of

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the villain? But you know,
what do you what do you think about

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Paxton in this one? His performance
is fantastic. He's Bill Paxton. He's

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he's so charming, and I think
that that plays into the like scummy billionaire

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well because you know, if you
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how to be likable. That's what
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perfect for it, especially because you
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things he's doing, the way he's
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but like it's enough of a there's
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you kind of see his point.
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that it is very selfish what he's
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some logic behind it, but he's
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think that that subtlety makes the character
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understandable to full on villain. Yeah. I knew. I knew right away.

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screen, I was like, Okay, he's the villain, like immediately,

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you know, the way he's presented
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need an antagonist. Where is he?

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Oh? There he is. It's
Bill passion. And when he came out

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and like you were saying his I
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got worse and were shoot Knox just
killing people. It was great. I

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loved it. I loved the because
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so charming, he's such a great
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think we should keep going, you
know who we got to turn back,

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Let's keep going, and then he
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over the top. Yeah, and
Bill Packston he's always great. I mean,

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you just can't. I think his
death was such a sad, sad

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thing. I remember, I forget
it, and you know, he's one

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of those guys that you you don't
realize the huge loss to the entertainment industry

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until it happens. You know.
Oh he was in oh no everything,

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this this this last rewatch that that
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so many of his movies. But
you know when he when he greets the

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crowd at base camp, you know, he grabs the micay is this thing

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on? He does that that Bill
Paxton grin like I smiled, Yeah,

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I smiled, And then it just
I just felt my heart break and I

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was like, We're never going to
get this again. Like this uh kills

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me. Going back to you know, the him in this movie though,

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I think this is a Campbell,
in my opinion, is best known for

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Bond, Like that's what I always
think of because GoldenEye was like my first

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experience with James Bond, like as
a kid, that was the first one

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I saw in theaters. Yeah,
and then obviously Cassino Royal I think was

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it was a great turn and both
times you get a villain, right,

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you get a good arch Nemesis style
villain. And I think that he did

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so well in those because he understands
how to make a villain. So I

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think that's why this comes through.
And like you said, even when Paxton

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comes on the screen and he hasn't
done anything wrong yet, the way he's

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framed, you're like, oh,
this is the guy, right, you

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can just kind of feel it.
And that's what a good action movie needs.

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It doesn't need that much nuance.
It just it can tell you this

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is the guy that's gonna screw everything
up. Yeah. Well, you know,

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to your point, like we're talking
about the you know, their father

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played by Stuart Wilson. He's worked
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he's Yeah, I remember he's the
villain in Zoro and he's you know,

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like, Okay, this is a
bad guy. You know, he's he's

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the bad guy, but you know
he's he's still there's some charm to him

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where you're he's not just out and
out evil, right. Yeah, yeah,

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And that's obviously. I don't mind
a good cliche villain that's over the

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top in certain things, but the
best ones, you know, they're likable.

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Yeah, you're right. Let's uh, let's talk about Scott Glenn.

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He plays he's always playing BADASSU here
he's Montgomery Wick, who has uh he's

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just got this really kick ass origin
story. I love when uh, I

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think it's Skip is talking to Peter
about Montgomery Wick and what he's up there

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on the mountain doing. It's just
like it's this part is like peak Scott

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Glenn in that he's like the old
Wise, like he's a badass and everywhere.

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It's like such a cliche, but
I feel like Scott Glenn is built

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for those ords. Like I'm picturing
him is like Stick and Daredevil. Yeah,

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it's like the same thing. Like
he's he's hard and he's bad ass

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and he know only he can do
it. And it's so it's so cliche,

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but in like such an endearing way. Wait, he was sticking.

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He was sticking Daredevil. Yeah right, yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Yeah, No, he is ultimate
badass. And you know what,

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like I get, I get these
cringe moments like when when you were saying

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when Paxston grabs the mic and he's
stuck in and then Scott Glenn pipes up

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says something ominous. You know,
yeah, every quiet, everybody's quiet,

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you know, And it was that
it was just this peak of corniness.

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But I love it. I love
Scott Glenn. I get that dude.

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He just like, this is my
character right now, and I loved it.

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Look but it was just fringy corny
at part two. You know,

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Oh yeah, good, that's what
a good action film does. I get

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it as sot of action film.
But yeah, that was kind of well,

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I don't want to want to keep
jump ahead, but yeah, uh

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we got a little bit of a
We got some lucasfilm players leading the Pakistani

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army and these uh these supporting roles. So we got Tamara Morrison as Major

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russoul I was. And again,
it's when you haven't watched this movie for

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for years and years and then you
see someone You're like, oh wait,

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it's Boba fet Yeah, I love
that. And then you know Rashan Seth

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who plays Colonel Salim, you know, Boba Fett is reporting to chatter Law

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from the Temple of Doom. Like
I'm loving, you know, like the

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kid, and he's like, hey, yeah, that's that one guy.

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I couldn't because then when you watch
it on Prime, you can pause and

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see his other films and I'm like, I know that guy, and I

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pause and I'm like, no,
that's not what I remember him from.

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So it was it was uh Raiders
huh uh yeah, uh yeah, Temple

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of Doom. Yeah yeah, Okay. I will say though, like watching

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it this time and seeing Tom where
I was like, you know, he's

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he's not Pakistani, he's Maudy,
Like that's yeah, I mean, I

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guess it's you know, the nineties, and there's like we just need a

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not white guy to do this,
but exactly a little it's a little off.

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It's a little off. I'll tell
you what's on though, Andrew.

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You mentioned GoldenEye, So we've got
we got bond girl Isabella Scorupko in this

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as Monique tell Ye Italia. Yeah, after Golden Eye. So she took

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some time, she took like five
years off. She know, she gets

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married, she's she's starting a family. Uh and then she's back in vertical

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limit. You know, Eddie,
you're talking about some some cliche moments,

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a little little cheesy, but you
know, smoking smoking a cigarette next to

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nitrig glyceran. You know, we
get it. You gotta you gotta make

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a statement that you're tough but bright
had skull and crossbow on those things.

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You know, she she look,
she was fine, she did her job.

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But I don't know if they needed
that character in that movie. She

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really didn't add much to the whole
thing. Like I don't think Christal Donald

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needed a love interest, did he? But I know because it was it

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was, it was it was under
the surface. Like she's she's you know,

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you watch this movie several times she's
she's putting eyes on him, he's

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putting eyes on her. It's yeah, yeah, I feel like the first

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draft they ended up like together,
and then they kind of just maybe they're

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like they don't have the chemistry we're
looking for. Let's kind of rewrite this

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a little bit. Well, you
know, and you got you got.

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Bill Paxton's partner, he's, you
know, no one wants to go on

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this rescue mission until he's like,
hey, I'll write a check for half

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a million dollars. Anyone wants to
go, and O'donald's like, I need

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six people. And then she's just
hanging out in the chot She's like,

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I'm going I need the money.
I'm like that, we're good. We

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got six. I'll tell you,
Having watched this so many years ago and

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it has been a while, I
was convinced it was Charlie's theron in my

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head. Oh wow, okay,
like that's I was. So when she

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came on screen, I was like, wait, no, nope, that's

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not right. Who is this?
So the is the movie better with Shirley's

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thereon? I mean, I think
she makes everything better. I don't think

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that she did a bad job in
this, but I don't think she did

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anything memorable either. She was just
kind of there. Yeah. The scene

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that stands out in my head is
him resetting her finger. But that's not

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because of her. That's because I'm
imagining somebody resetting my finger, not because

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of some amazing performance or anything.
Here's the surprise for me though, And

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if you haven't watched this in a
long time, I went, oh my

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god, is that that is him? Ben Mendelssohn. Yep, is in

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this is he's playing one of the
crazy brothers. He plays Malcolm. I'm

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watching this and I'm halfway film like, man, he looks so familiar,

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he sounds so familiar, And then
it clicks in my head. I'm looking

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at like a thirty year old Ben
Mendelssohn, and it blew my mind.

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I feel like he really lands with
like Rogue one and then Ready Player one

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and his HBO series. You know, he's on He's in What Secret Invasion

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and he's he's just like, he's
a late forties, early fifties guy,

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you know, and he's he's an
incredible actor. I love him. And

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then you see him as the younger
version of him, who's just completely a

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loose cannon in this film. But
you know, we need that, we

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need a little bit of we need
a little bit of comedic levity, and

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you know, he brings it.
I love him in this. Yeah,

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he's the and I'm sorry, in
Rogue one, he's the uh, the

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imperial guy. Yeah, the villain. Yeah, okay, yeah, all

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right, yeah, I guess I
guess you could you know, you could

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say Rogue one. He lands with
Rogue one. But you gotta remember,

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like before that he has that smaller
role in uh and Nolan's uh The Dark

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Knight Rises. Yeah, he's he
was the one that foolishly kind of mouths

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off the bane. Yeah, gives
gives him the opportunity to be super intimidating.

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Yeah. He's got such a unique
speech pattern that like the second he

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started talking, I was like,
wait, hold on, hold, on,

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hold on, but I had the
same thing common completely off guard.

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I picture him as this, you
know, the middle aged like intimidating villain,

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and this he's kind of playing a
young like almost care free at least

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at the beginning. Uh. Like
it's just such such out of character.

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But I think he did such a
good job. He is in this movie.

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Like he's especially his interest. You
know, him and his brother.

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They're sitting there sunbathing nude on the
mountain. You know, they're drinking and

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sunbathing. I mean, he's Polly
Shore's roommate at this point. I just

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but, uh, you know,
I think he's fantastic this. I absolutely

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love him. That's one thing I
will say. As far as the other

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cliches in the movie, you know, having the more light hearted characters.

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It also this movie shows why people
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these things, and it's very different, you know, whether they have some

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grudge from the past or whatever.
And he and his brother weren't like that

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wasn't their thing. They just liked
climbing. They were just out there having

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a good time. And I think, like I love you know, climbing

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documentaries like Free Solo or the alpinist
touching the void, which this movie reminds

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me of a lot. And I
think, you know, why these people

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are willing to do something that is
so inherently dangerous is fascinating. So having

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these kind of characters that are just
like no, I just like being out

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here, like I'll do it for
the money. Sure, you know it.

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I think that was a nice addition. Agreed. Let's take a quick

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break and when we come back,
we'll talk a little bit about the film's

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background and in our pivotal scene.
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And will sure appreciate you being around. On February seventh, wherever you find

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your podcast, that's Apples and Oranges. February seven, we are back talking

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with Andrew and Andy about the Vertical
Limit. So we kind of talked about

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how this movie starts. You know, it's a it's a cliffhanger sequel originally,

407
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but I think we'd be we'd be
doing it injustice if we did not

408
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talk about David Tattersall for a second. He's the cinematographer, because say what

409
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you will, this is a gorgeous
movie. Especially you know, you got

410
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:48.079
to keep in mind they filmed this
on location in Pakistan and in New Zealand.

411
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Mount Cook in New Zealand was like
the stand in for a lot of

412
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K two. But they're still in
Pakistan shooting K two as well. And

413
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I love I love the cinematography.
There's there's a little bit of green sc

414
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here and there. But it's very
if you watch any if you've seen the

415
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.640
documentary on this movie and how they
made it, it's, ah, there's

416
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very there's a minimal surprisingly, there
is a minimal amount of green screen and

417
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:17.279
and uh set stuff. So yeah, it's I don't think you can have

418
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bad shots obviously, it's extremely well
done. And the logistics of trying to

419
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:23.920
shoot on a mountain, I don't
even know where to start. But yeah,

420
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:26.279
it's one of those places where it's
like everywhere you look, it's just

421
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:33.799
so stunning. Yeah, but when
they were that chasm that they were trapped

422
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.319
in all a set. That Okay, so that's a set. And uh,

423
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:42.640
surprisingly, when you're inside the tents
with exception to like the big like

424
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.960
the base camp tent where they got
all the computers, so that's on location.

425
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.400
Uh everything else, like when you're
inside like their little tents, they

426
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.920
film that in like a garage somewhere. So which is which is weird?

427
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:02.759
Like you know, because the crazy
thing about this is these actors. You

428
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.880
know, first off, they cast
trains for four weeks to become climbers.

429
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.680
Then they report, you know,
they get on location, they have to

430
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.839
do more training to learn how to
ice climb, you know, the the

431
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.279
ice shelves. So they put them
through training there and then they start shooting.

432
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:22.720
And every morning starts with a helicopter
ride. They go up like a

433
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.160
thousand or ten you know, anywhere
from like one to ten thousand feet,

434
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.359
they said to you know, depending
on where they're gonna shoot. That's that's

435
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.559
that's the daily life for the actors
in this, like get into a helicopter

436
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.160
climb, you know, flying up
and then shooting and then it's like hey,

437
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.440
weather's coming in, we're out of
here, or hey we got we

438
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.680
got good weather. Let's let's keep
going. That blows my mind. And

439
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.039
when you watch, like again,
when you watch, there's some great behind

440
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.160
the scenes stuff on the on the
on the on the Blu Ray for this,

441
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.640
where you're like, I can't believe, Like how crazy is Martin Campbell

442
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:57.480
to helicopter in his equipment and his
crew and you know, scaffolding and everything

443
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.599
on the mountain And when you see
it, like you got to keep in

444
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.160
mind too, a lot of these
actors are doing most of their own stunts.

445
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.240
So like that's that great shot of
Robin Tunny where she's kind of shimmying

446
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.640
from one mountain to the other.
You know, she's doing like the cliffhanger

447
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.960
move. Yeah she is. You
know, she's a couple of thousand feet

448
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.640
up and she did that seventeen times
to get the take that he wanted.

449
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.000
You know, now they've got and
they've got trained professionals, you know,

450
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.039
they've got everyone in place to you
know, give the actors what they need.

451
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.119
But even O'donald's like, all I
can do is not look down.

452
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.720
And there he's saying this as he's
again several thousand feet and they've got him

453
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.039
on a you know, hanging off
the side of one of the mountains and

454
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.440
you know where he's gonna do a
quick descent. So it blows my mind

455
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.640
that they they're in the they're they're
really doing it. You know. You

456
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:47.279
know what's incredible that is that they're
acting on top of that because it was

457
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.519
It's ironic because literally, like three
days ago, I was listening to a

458
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.480
podcast. It was a martial art
guy. But he to Everest, he

459
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.960
didn't make it. He went up
to certain some base camp, but and

460
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.519
he likened climbing to you know,
jiu jitsu and stuff where when you're doing

461
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.680
it. You can only think about
what you're doing, so you're right in

462
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.119
the moment and you can't get out
of the moment. Just like when you're

463
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.599
doing jiu jitsu, you're not thinking
about paying your bills or because this guy's

464
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.559
gonna choke you, you know,
So just like when you're climbing, you

465
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.759
can't be thinking of you know,
your family or anything. You're in that

466
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.640
moment. So be doing those things
and acting on top of it. You've

467
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.240
got to get your mind off of
what you're supposed to be doing. So

468
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:32.079
I guess it's probably extra harrowing to
do that got to be Yeah, yeah,

469
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:37.000
I imagine, Yeah, cool thing
here. That's That's one thing I

470
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.279
want to say, like this clim
like, that's one of the big things

471
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.039
that one of the stumbling blocks I
had with to be like climbing, I

472
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:48.559
can't even it's not even a world
I want to do or even I did

473
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:55.000
see Free Solo and great film,
but it's just something that I'm like,

474
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.599
I can't even put my sex in
my life. It's not something I don't

475
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.720
fault you people for doing it.
It's them. But dude, just like

476
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:07.240
like Sky Diamond, I saw,
I was kind of I was already a

477
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.920
step behind. You know, hey, every everyone's got their own version of

478
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.079
crazy. I mean all three of
us have frozen in a desert before for

479
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.200
twenty four hours. You know,
running running the world's tough, and so

480
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.880
you know, everyone, how could
you do that? Why would you put

481
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:24.440
yourself through that? So I get
what you're saying, but I also respect

482
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.400
it, and I'm like, yeah, okay, that's that's your version.

483
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.000
You know that ain't mine, but
it's it's yours. Yeah, I don't

484
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.319
say to get it, but I'm
way too scared of heights to try to

485
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.480
do that. Yeah, I'll tell
you, I'll tell you. I think

486
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.000
what's cool here. You gotta keep
in mind Scott Glenn he is, He's

487
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:44.559
he's not the young pup like some
of these other actors are. He goes

488
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.920
to the same training and after training
on the ice shelf, he is persistently

489
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.279
telling Martin Campbell, you gotta you
gotta put a shot at me doing this,

490
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.400
and and you know, Campbell's like, if I if you'll shut up,

491
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.640
I'll do it. So that that
great moment where you see him with

492
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.000
the ikes and the and the ice
picks and he's he's going up, but

493
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.319
he's like thirty forty feet up,
he's climbing up. That is Scott Glenn

494
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.880
doing it for real, you know
on the Harnet. You know, no

495
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.000
harm like he's got to say you
know, he's got his cables because he

496
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.799
knows how to do it at that
point. But when they pull back and

497
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.440
you see, like wow, that
that's actually him. That's it's incredible that

498
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.279
these the you know, these guys
uh took that on and you know it

499
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:27.079
to your point of yeah, like
I couldn't imagine like, Okay, we're

500
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.559
gonna film this, and you know
it's one thing to do it, but

501
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.440
to do it in character and you
know, have a bunch of people staring

502
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:35.400
at you and do it like that
more intense or try to you know,

503
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.440
I don't know how to do it. I really don't this uh, this

504
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:44.200
movie. You cannot take a breath
without another intense moment or an action packed

505
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:49.240
sequence. Something's happening. If it's
not an avalanche or issues with the Knight,

506
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.799
the nitroglycerin almost ready to explode any
given moment. There's so much that

507
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:57.759
you gotta you gotta, you gotta
ask yourself like, well, what what

508
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.119
is the pivotal scene. Is there
moment of this where you're like, you

509
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.680
know what this this makes the movie? This is this is what the movie

510
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:07.320
is about, without giant explosions and
avalanches anything for you. Yeah, I'll

511
00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:12.760
tell you what. To be honest, I was eye rolling a lot of

512
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.440
the movie. You know, there
was a lot where I'm like, this

513
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.119
is fun. You know, I
know, I know it's an action film.

514
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.280
But when I was this one moment, I go all right, now

515
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.599
I'm in, like this is great. When you find out that Scott Glenn,

516
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.559
you know, Bill Patson's character,
had killed his wife and he's like

517
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.320
this, that's intense, man.
I thought that I'm in, like,

518
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.280
I'm one hundred percent in now.
I want to see he's going there with

519
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.760
the sole purpose to end this guy's
life, and that that was awesome.

520
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.519
So yeah, I was totally right
there. That was the moment I felt

521
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.280
It's different now, the whole It
changed the whole kind of what's gonna happen

522
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.960
now that at that moment, I
was like, wait, is he going

523
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.599
to kill him? Is he gonna
just end his But I pretty much knew

524
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.800
who was gonna die, Like I'm
like Scot Glenn's not gonna make it.

525
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.119
I said, these two stoner guys. I really thought the one stoner guy

526
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.840
was going to die and then his
brother was going to die to sue something

527
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.639
I knew. I knew. Donald. All right, Sorry, I don't

528
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:12.239
want to go off. That's my
pivotal moment. Is that's your pivotal moment?

529
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.599
How about? How about? How
about it? Andrew? Well,

530
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.400
I want to ask real quick first. Andy. You know, obviously I

531
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.039
get your pick in this movie.
It is a very silly movie at times,

532
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.920
But do you think it would have
changed it for you if they had

533
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.400
had that scene earlier? So that
was more of a driving force plot wise,

534
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.880
as opposed to like a turn it
did? It did? No,

535
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.239
I don't know if it would have
held. I just thought it did take.

536
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.800
It did come late in the movie
where I was like, now I'm

537
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.400
really excited, and I don't know
if you could shoehorn it in because then

538
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.000
it maybe maybe, you know,
like when he's praying. I don't know,

539
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:46.719
because it was because it's one of
those things where oh, you find

540
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.159
out and you look back and the
way he acted earlier towards him, like

541
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:52.880
when he first introduced, when he
was giving the speech, in the beginning,

542
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.760
I'm like, oh, so that's
why he did so no, I

543
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.800
I don't think they should have had
it earlier, but it did really Yeah,

544
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.880
and so that that leads into my
pivotal scene, which is, you

545
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.800
know, I'd be silly to say
spoiler at this point, but it is

546
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.960
the the the climax when they're they're
there on the rope, because I think

547
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.400
it's, uh, it's a good
moment for everybody. It's a wrap up

548
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:23.599
for you know, Chris O'donald's character
having to go through this again for yeah.

549
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:27.880
Yeah, so I went on a
wicker hanging there beneath him. Uh

550
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.400
it, you know, it's Wick
gets to get his revenge while also doing

551
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.880
the thing he's been you know,
telling Chris like your your father was a

552
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:36.679
good climber. He would have you
know, if he had the knife,

553
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.000
he would have done it. And
so it's all of those things coming together

554
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:44.360
and I think, you know,
again, I'm not a climber. I

555
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:50.800
don't ever intend on being one.
But a phenomenal documentary on a climbing story

556
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.920
called Touching the Void came out a
few years after this. But it's a

557
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:58.639
story that happened in the eighties where
there were two climbers on a mountain they

558
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.679
started to fall. One went over
the ledge and the other one did have

559
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:07.440
to end up cutting him looser he
was gonna fall too. Now it's an

560
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.599
amazing documentary. It's essentially if you've
ever seen the TV show I Shouldn't Be

561
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:15.840
Alive, this documentary is sort of
what that show that the style is based

562
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.280
on. So the sort of reenactment
and also interview with the survivors, because

563
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.079
in that story both of them lived. The guy fell into a chasm and

564
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.119
survived, crawled his way out,
while his friend was left believing I just

565
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:31.239
killed him. It's an extremely emotional
true story, and I think that because

566
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.760
I've seen that, because I knew
that story, it adds so much weight

567
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.199
to this moment here as well.
But again from a narrative standpoint, it

568
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:43.320
also resolves all their characters in a
really cool, tense way. So that

569
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.559
scene, the whole movie's building up
to that scene. As far as I'm

570
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:51.679
concerned, I agree. I'll tell
you the pivotal one for me probably has

571
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.880
to be the conversation, the walkie
talkie conversation at night between Peter and Annie,

572
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.000
where she's basically saying, don't come
for me. It's going to be

573
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.800
too late. And in that moment, they get to finally resolve their their

574
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.559
issues about you know, they get
to talk about their grief with their dad

575
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.960
and they get they get a nice
moment and it's you know, you're like,

576
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.119
okay, this is her saying goodbye. And then the next morning he's

577
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.760
already you know, Wick wakes up, O'donald's already up there, and he's

578
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.000
he's in full hero mode, you
know, double time in it to get

579
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.320
to her. I think that's a
great moment. I love that moment.

580
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.440
Well, it plays into themes of
the whole movie, which is you know,

581
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:34.039
sacrifice and risk and yeah, it
makes it's what makes both of their

582
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.519
characters the heroes while everybody else is
somewhere in a gray area. And you

583
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.880
say, yeah, he was obviously
super determined because he didn't she say something

584
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.079
there at that moment, like I
only have an hour or he's like I'll

585
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:46.440
be there. He says, no, I only haven't. Yeah. She's

586
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.639
well, yeah, he's like how
much how much time? And she's like

587
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.760
an hour two to it most but
they know it's like the next day,

588
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.559
right, they shows up, Well, I it's it's kind of hard to

589
00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.119
tell time on the mountain because,
like, you know, I get it,

590
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:01.800
like the snow come, you know, the cloud cover hits, the

591
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:06.960
you know, the snow hits,
the you know, avalanches. Because in

592
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.760
my brain, I was like,
if we know that we're on a limit,

593
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:12.480
a very limited time amount of time, I get it. You know,

594
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.639
you're asking six people to scale K
two, you know, like ten

595
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.199
thousand feet of it. They're gonna
need to take some breaks, and I

596
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:22.719
get that, but like, are
we are we do we need to hunker

597
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.079
down for the night. So I
don't know if it was like necessarily an

598
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.679
overnight thing or if it was just, hey, here's come, here comes

599
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.480
the weather. We gotta take shelter
until it passes. Maybe that's maybe that's

600
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.159
what. Yeah, it was a
weird, weird time jump, like because

601
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.480
they were when the storm hits and
it's you know it's coming. It was

602
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.679
bright sky, you know, and
then it's well, it's coming and it

603
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.679
comes through and they fall, they
fall down that chasm and then the Christ

604
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.800
of Donald's at the base of the
mountain. We got to go, let's

605
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:53.800
let's go, let's get a team, and it's like well, wait,

606
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.760
isn't this storm? How long is
this storm supposed to last? It's just

607
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.840
one of these twenty second storms.
So I mean, I don't know,

608
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:05.480
there were little jumps there. I'm
assuming they got a wait, they can't

609
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.000
go right now. Anyway, there's
quite a few times where the timeline like

610
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:15.119
they're trying to add this ticking clock
element and the tension and it that combined

611
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:20.440
with some of the editing choices make
the timeline pretty much impossible to really nail

612
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:22.800
down. So yeah, that whole
I have an hour left, Like,

613
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:25.960
I don't know, because I mean
at that point, they'd also lied about

614
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.719
her having a the edema early on, and then obviously she did get it.

615
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.159
It's it felt like one of those
things that maybe was filmed one way

616
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:39.519
and then edited differently. This there
could be I think this could use a

617
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:45.199
better edit for sure, you know, you know, even like the plan,

618
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:46.079
like you know, I don't know
about you guys, but like,

619
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:52.079
logistically, why do we need to
all take a different like face the shelf,

620
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:53.079
like you know, like Scott Glenn's
character, he's like, hey,

621
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:58.760
I've done them all, so they're
pretty much the same. You know,

622
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:00.920
I don't know why they needed that
nitro glystering. I can see one.

623
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:07.480
But everybody you want a battle,
here's the bottle everybody. Yeah, I

624
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:12.039
guess you're assuming, like, Okay, we might not all make it,

625
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.679
So let's let's have a tea each
team maybe have one, maybe not.

626
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.719
You know, we're not passing them
out like you know, we're cracking open

627
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.760
a six pack. Yeah. I
got to tell you you can't get in

628
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.920
the sun Yeah, the the nitro
turns into a grimlin like you you know,

629
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.079
but in the sunlight they'll explode.
I mean, I know you said

630
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:35.119
you could tell who was gonna live
or who was gonna die, But there's

631
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.440
no way you could have told me
you expected those two to die. Oh

632
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:44.480
they're laughing. Oh yeah, moment
is just so out of out of left

633
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.960
field. I knew, no,
I knew, I knew I could.

634
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.719
I told you I picked out everybody, except like I said, I thought

635
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.440
only one of the brothers is gonna
die, and then possibly the other one

636
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.840
would kind of come in and say, like, for instance, when when

637
00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:01.559
Boba Fett is dropping them off on
the on the he can't go any high.

638
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:07.079
Yeah, and the last two getting
off the thing is Crystal Donald's Scott

639
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.559
Glenn. Yeah, that took so
long. I'm like, dude, you're

640
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.440
not gonna die. Let's just go. I want to. I'm like there,

641
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.480
whoa, whoa, and they're hanging
and this all this and the things,

642
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.000
and the helicopter blades are going right
by the girl's head. I'm like,

643
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.159
it's not even gonna touch her.
It's obviously so I felt no peril

644
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.360
at whatsoever. I thought everyone's gonna
live. That's a good point, like,

645
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.199
should we have lost someone on on
like just the helicopter, because that's

646
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.880
it. That's a pretty intense moment. I would have been maybe maybe one

647
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.320
of them doesn't make it. I
would have better. I will tell you.

648
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.719
I did think the helicopter itself was
going to crash. I thought we

649
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.559
were going to lose on that one. Not any of the climbers, but

650
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.559
I thought the helicopter would go down. Yeah, he could have. He's

651
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.880
expendable. Boba fet would have been
expendable. But yeah, I think if

652
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:59.440
if they would have, if that
blade would have chopped that girl's head that

653
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.440
I'm in because I didn't her,
it didn't need her. You're maybe even

654
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.519
a nitro gliss blows up and blows
half the mountain. I don't know,

655
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.719
but I'm just yeah, I would
have shocked me and I would to get

656
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:16.519
that that's really cool. But hey, I'm not I don't like just wanting

657
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.920
violence for the sake of nothing,
but that would Andy. Andy, you

658
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.480
are the director in this group,
and I'm with you, like, either

659
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.519
either you get some cannon fodder,
someone gets gets the helicopter blade, or

660
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:32.360
someone misses the ledge and then there's
an explosion that kind of rockets up to

661
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:36.719
him. That all right, yeah, that would have worked. But yeah,

662
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.119
bulba fet he, I don't think
that would affected the movie much.

663
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:43.679
He could have died, he could
have or even just Prissel Donald Scot Glenn

664
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.239
dropped and then he just did tips
over boom as blades catch the side of

665
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.960
the mountain or something like that.
Yeah. Well, guys, let's let's

666
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.280
take one more break. When we
come back, we'll talk about we'll talk

667
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.400
about Martin Campbell a little bit about
his filmography and uh and and what is

668
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.000
that coming up next? All right, we are back. Let's uh,

669
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:06.679
let's talk a little bit about Martin
Campbell. You know, obviously I don't

670
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.320
know if you guys know this originally
He's from New Zealand. He moved to

671
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:15.920
London and he got into the business
by directing softcore sex comedies in the nineteen

672
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:21.239
seventies. Think about that for a
second. This is the guy that has

673
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.719
given us some really good action adventure
films. You know, he wasn't he

674
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.000
wasn't long for that. He actually, you know, from there, he

675
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.519
made a name for himself as a
television action series director before he moved on

676
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.760
to bigger and better things. Let's, uh, let's take a quick look

677
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.159
at his filmography. I I know
we won't cover everything. Let's uh,

678
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:43.000
let's skip around a little bit and
talk about a few of them. We

679
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.239
gotta, we gotta talk a little
bit. We got to talk about some

680
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.400
of the hits. We definitely got
to talk at least about one miss.

681
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.639
But let's start off with you know, nineteen ninety four again with Stuart Wilson.

682
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.960
I think this is the first time
he's doing he's working with Stuart Wilson.

683
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.280
He does a film with ray Leiota
called No Escape. I love this

684
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.199
movie. Andy, have you seen
this one? Got you got a soldier?

685
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:07.400
Ralio to plays a soldier. You
know, he's convicted for murdering someone

686
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:12.960
in in his in his in his
in his uh platoon, I think uh.

687
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.800
And then his sentence. He's sent
to a prison planet and there's two

688
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.199
there's two camps of convicts that are
kind of ruling the planet. So you

689
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:27.199
know, you got Lance Hendrickson in
it, you got Ernie Hudson. Really

690
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:29.760
cool action movie. I think it's
on too B right now. It's either

691
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.239
to be or Pluto. I saw
it recently. Am I seeing Kevin Dillon

692
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:38.480
in that. Kevin Dillon's in it? Yep. It kind of feels like

693
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.760
like Escape from New York or Escape
from la if it was the movie like

694
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.519
a B science fiction movie, like
definitely fun. I wouldn't put it on

695
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.960
the same level as Escape from New
York. But no, but we're worth

696
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.519
a watch. It is absolutely a
fantastic movie. We actually when we talked

697
00:45:53.519 --> 00:46:00.840
about Martin Campbell, initially we were
gonna do No Escape and then you know,

698
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:02.159
I saw Vertical Limit again. I
was like, you know what this

699
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.280
is. It's a toss up,
but I'm a little vertical Limit, so

700
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:12.159
excellent choice. A year later,
nineteen ninety five, he reinvigorates the Bond

701
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.639
franchise with GoldenEye, which I can't
talk about this one. I love GoldenEye.

702
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.320
It was, like I said,
Pierce Brosnan was like my first theater

703
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.400
going James Bond obviously, you know
I love them all, but like Brosion's

704
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.599
always gonna have a special place in
my heart, and it's because of Golden

705
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.360
Eye. Like I saw this one. It blew me away. I still

706
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.000
think it's, you know, easily
top top six or top seven James Bonds,

707
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.639
okay, top six seven, huh
yeah. I mean there's definitely better

708
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:43.039
ones, but there's also a lot
of worse ones. Eddie, your thoughts.

709
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.039
You and I have never taught Bond
your thoughts on GoldenEye. I'm very

710
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.159
luke Warmore Bond. It's fine.
I like it when I see it,

711
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.719
I like it. I don't search
it out many Bond films. And just

712
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.679
to show my age against YouTube young
guys, my parents took me to see

713
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:00.320
Limit Let Die when it was in
the theater. I remember going to see

714
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:06.320
that and being scared to death of
the voodoo guy. So I mean when

715
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.920
when Roger Moore was like my first
intro. Yeah, and Golden Eye,

716
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.880
like I saw it, I just
don't remember. I'm sure it's a great

717
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:20.280
film i'd like to revisit. But
it's it's just like it's just a genre.

718
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.320
I reached out. I see,
I did, like what's his face

719
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.840
is? His bonds were great?
Daniel Craig Daniel. Yeah, well we'll

720
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.119
talk about that here a little bit
too. We will talk Yeah, we

721
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:30.719
got we got another one to talk
about here. So wait if I got

722
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.880
asked though, because you know he's
he's Roger Moore, I'm Brosen and you

723
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.480
you came up in the Dalton there
though, right, that's is that your

724
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:42.159
spot? So I yeah, I
grew up. Actually, my first bond

725
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.119
my father took me, uh nineteen
eighty five. He took me to see

726
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.320
a View to a Kill, which
it would have been it would have been

727
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.880
more as last. But but truthfully, before that I was I was a

728
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.360
Connery guy first and foremost. Because
that was the first Bond film I ever

729
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:02.559
saw was gold Goldfinger. My dad
kept me inside one summer morning, said,

730
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.079
hey, we're gonna watch this movie. I'm looking at him like this,

731
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.199
this looks terrible. I don't know
what this is, but I don't

732
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:13.760
like it. It's some old movie. And then like ten minutes in I

733
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.960
fell in love with it, I
fell in love with Bond and you know,

734
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.239
rest is history. But a couple
of years before he does Vertical Limit,

735
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.920
and a couple of years after he
does Vertical Limit, he manages to

736
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.519
give us not one but two Zoro
films, talking about the Mask of Zoro

737
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.679
in nineteen ninty eight and then The
Legend of Zoro in two thousand and five.

738
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.400
I'm a big fan of the first
one. I was definitely a little

739
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.599
lukewarm on the second one. Yeah, did oh? I mean yeah,

740
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.119
I love the first one. I
watched it a bunch of times growing up,

741
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:46.239
but yeah, the second one,
I think I've maybe seen it once

742
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.079
or twice. It's just I don't
even really remember much about it, to

743
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.679
be honest, Yeah I did.
The first one was fantastic, I think,

744
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.800
identical the same thing. I saw
the first one. Kind of don't

745
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.239
remember the second one, and I
grew up that's one of my cats,

746
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.239
believing. When I was a kid, I dressed is Zoro for Halloween.

747
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.880
Uh yeah, I was a big
Zoro and that there was even an animated

748
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.599
Zoro cartoon made by Filmation, which
was wonderful. It was like a lot

749
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.559
of rotoscoping. But yeah, I
was a big zor guy had a lunchbox

750
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.280
too. Well, Andy, let's
start over with Bond. I know,

751
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.480
we we know how you feel about
it. But two thousand and six,

752
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:30.239
uh he he again, he relaunches
the Bond franchise a second time with with

753
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:37.639
Daniel Craig. He does Casino Real, which arguably might be maybe the best

754
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.559
one of the best Bond films of
all time. Yeah, I think it

755
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.159
was great. I think is that
is that the one with the train where

756
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.400
it rips back and he jumps onto
the train, he adjustice cuffs or something

757
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:53.000
like that. It was like either
way the beginning, the opening. Yeah,

758
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.000
okay, so we're talking we're talking
about we're talking about Skyfall with Andy

759
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.199
with when he's on the train and
does does that big move and then you

760
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:05.480
know, kind of just himself.
Also amazing, that's Sam Mendez and I

761
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.760
mean, yeah, you know,
I love him. But well, more

762
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.920
on that one we cover Sam do
a Sam Mendez episode. But yeah,

763
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.880
Casino Real. It's fantastic, it's
got it's just it's a it's an excellent

764
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:22.119
uh reintroduction to to the Bond character. I feel like here's where we got

765
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:27.400
a misstep though. Twenty eleven,
he he jumps into the superhero genre with

766
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:31.159
with with Green Lantern, Ryan Reynolds
and Green Lantern. Yeah, I mean

767
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:36.320
yeah, I like the collective size
I hear. I like he brought his

768
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.639
you know, his his Keiwi friend
on board. He's got Taika Way Td

769
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:43.960
in it, and yeah, I
mean same as Vertical Limit. He's bringing

770
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.840
at least one fellow New Zealander on
board with Tamara. But yeah, that's

771
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.199
we don't need to talk about that
one. I mean, I think that

772
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.960
one's already been that one's been ripped
apart by you know, many of people

773
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:58.199
at this point, Andy, you
know, your your thoughts as a director,

774
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.440
like where where did we go wrong
with this one? From what I

775
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.000
remember, I saw it once,
you know, back then, and that

776
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:08.559
was it. I think it was
just cliche. And I don't think Ryan

777
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:16.519
Reynolds can he can grate on some
people. Portrayal was you know, smarty

778
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:21.280
maybe that's the word. I don't. And I think it was just one

779
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:27.360
of those just hit all the beats
that a superhero movie should hit. I

780
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.519
remember my problem with it, and
you know, I try not to fall

781
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:36.920
to movie for this usually, but
the CGI was absolutely terrible. I thought,

782
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.960
and I hate I hated the fact
that his his his costume was Cgi.

783
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:45.280
The whole thing was CGI. That
graded on me from like the first

784
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.360
the first Teaz trailer I saw for
it, So yeah, I tried it.

785
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.760
I you know, just I think
it's one of the worst superhero movies

786
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.360
I've ever seen. Honestly, it's
it's so bad. Yeah, yeah,

787
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.840
you know, and you know,
everyone a lot of people felt this way.

788
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:00.960
You know, this kind of wreck
that kind of took him off course

789
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.280
for a while. You know,
that was twenty eleven. He's only done

790
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:06.800
a handful of things, a lot
of TV, you know, several TV

791
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:12.320
movies and some small budget stuff.
But let's talk about what's next for him

792
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.880
in production. Right now, he's
got a movie called Cleaner, starring Daisy

793
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:22.840
Ridley and Clive Owen. Listen to
this. A group of activists ambush and

794
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:27.800
energy companies annual meeting and take three
hundred people hostage. I mean, it's

795
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.480
it's action. It's Clive Owen's great, over the top action. I think

796
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.800
Daisy Ridley, I'm excited to see
her do non Star Wars stuff because I

797
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.199
think she's fantastic and I just want
to see her get away from that toxic

798
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.920
fan base. Yeah, so I'm
here for it. You know, I

799
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.800
love I love when he does just
a good straight up action movie. Obviously,

800
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.599
you know the James Bond Vertical Limit. He did one recently with Liam

801
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.480
Neeson that I mean, it wasn't
a great movie, but the action was

802
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:58.199
fun. So yeah, I'm here
for it. Yeah, it sounds interesting.

803
00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:59.920
I mean, I don't know,
if it's a movie, I'd run

804
00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:02.199
to the theater to see. Yeah, Andy, I'll tell you what movie

805
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.719
you I think his other one.
I think you would run to the theater

806
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.079
and see because it sounds like it. This sounds like a seventies movie.

807
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:13.719
This sounds like a seventies genre movie
if I've ever heard one. He's got

808
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:20.800
one in post production called Dirty Angels
starring Eva Green and Ruby Rose. Listen

809
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:25.599
to the Listen to this synopsis.
A group of female soldiers disguised themselves as

810
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:35.960
medics to rescue a group of teenagers
caught between Isis and the Taliban. Andy,

811
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.599
I cannot wait to see your letterboxed
review of that one, because I

812
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:44.840
know you're gonna do a good one. Was that is that a okay?

813
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.519
Twenty twenty three? Yeah, because
but I've heard of this before. I'm

814
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.039
wondering if this is a reemax.
I don't know. Hmm yeah, Martin

815
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.480
Campbell, Okay, that could go
so many different directions like that could be.

816
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:02.480
I could think like four different movies
that that could be. I think

817
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.039
I think it's gonna be great no
matter which direction it takes. Honestly,

818
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:08.360
I don't care which way we go. I'm gonna love it. I think.

819
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:12.480
Yeah, it could be like that, you know, Grindhouse over the

820
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.559
top style. It could be you
know, really serious and take the you

821
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.280
know the isis in the taliband very
seriously and try to be realistic. It

822
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.519
could be all over the board.
I love it. That's interesting because he

823
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:22.440
doesn't seem to be that kind of
guy to make them. I know.

824
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:28.880
Yeah, this feels Just reading that, I felt like it's gonna be full

825
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:34.119
of gratuitous violence or nudity or or
both. Like it just you know,

826
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.599
it's all it's it's gonna give you
a little bit of everything. I think.

827
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.480
Hmmm, I have to say one
thing you didn't mention he did the

828
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.840
foreigner? Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, I didn't think about that.

829
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.920
Pretty I really I saw that in
a dinner when it came out, and

830
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:53.679
that was that was what I kind
of would have liked. For Vertical Limit.

831
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.599
It was a little grittier, a
little uh sad, sadder maybe because

832
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.719
Jackie, you know, he eat
up. He's got this goofy uh you

833
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:07.639
know, real wooshoo kind of yeah. He doesn't do the slapstick kinda kind

834
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:14.159
of yeah. I think it was
as a father he loses his daughter or

835
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:19.280
something. She get kidding kind of
like if but no, that wast So

836
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:21.679
maybe he can do that with three
angels. I don't. I'd be good,

837
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.920
that'd be good. Uh, well, let's wrap up here, guys.

838
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.079
Andrew, wait, I think we
got I think we got an idea

839
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.639
of where Andy's leaning. But I'll
start so I'll start with you first.

840
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.199
But uh, your recommendation on Vertical
Limit. It's not for everybody, but

841
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.719
I highly recommend it. I think
it's fun if you like climbing or that

842
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.960
kind of you know, that kind
of movie, but don't go into it

843
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.599
expecting Citizen Kane. It's it's definitely
got some cliches and some silliness, but

844
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:50.239
I highly recommend it. All right, how about it? Andy? I?

845
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.639
Well, for me, I didn't
like it. It's like saying,

846
00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:00.800
uh, it was like, I
would recommend it if you want to watch

847
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.400
an action film that just hits all
It's got the tropes and it hits all

848
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.199
the things you'd expected to do.
Yeah, it's just like The Rock or

849
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.239
again, like Andrews said earlier,
those are those are fun movies and I'll

850
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.199
watch them if I'm just want to
turn my brain off and have a fun

851
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.320
time. So yeah, this was
there was I don't want to say there's

852
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.400
nail biting because I didn't feel like
the characters are in peril. But it

853
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:25.000
was a nice action. There was
a nice action, So I'm not I'm

854
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:30.920
not trying to I'm trying to not
be a dick. Uh. It's a

855
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.239
fun movie. And I think I'm
wondering if you guys are taming with your

856
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.119
nostalgic views. But I'm wondering.
I would love to know if, like

857
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:42.639
if you just saw it for the
first time today, how you feel.

858
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:47.960
But I would recommend this to somebody
who just wants to turn off their brain.

859
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.960
That's okay, I'm I'm all in
on this one. Again. I

860
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.719
think it's a great action movie.
The Blu Ray is definitely worth the price

861
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:00.280
of a mission. If you're a
Ciniphi and you want to hear a great

862
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:06.440
audio commentary by the director and the
producer. There's some really cool bonus features,

863
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.119
some of like the documentary the how
they made it where you actually see

864
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.840
them on the mountain. For me, you know, gives gives me,

865
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.480
gave me a lot more respect for
the cast and crew to know that they

866
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:20.199
were out there doing this stuff and
it wasn't just green screen stuff. Uh.

867
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.880
It is fantastic in that regard.
And do you even get you even

868
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:29.360
get like a national geographic special.
So definitely, if you if you want

869
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.639
to, if you pick this up
on Amazon or at your local store,

870
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:36.039
it's it's it's worth ten or fifteen
bucks. Yeah, I'm definitely. Actually

871
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.679
I'm excited. I'm gonna see if
i can find that documentary because I always

872
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:40.719
respect from a movie you know,
goes out of its way to try to

873
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.400
put them in the in the real
situation. So that's that's cool. Yeah.

874
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:49.280
Well, so that's what we think
of Vertical Limit. What do you

875
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.960
think of Vertical Limit? Let us
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876
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.719
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877
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:00.440
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878
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.960
a place to find our episodes.
We're writing articles now. I know Andrew's

879
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.800
got one in the works for us
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880
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:13.360
contact us at a Film by Podcast
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881
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.440
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882
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.880
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883
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:27.280
they dive into the first season of
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884
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top ten can't miss episodes. I'm
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885
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:37.960
kind of getting a new appreciation for
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886
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:44.199
a Film Buy, Amber Lewis returns
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887
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:50.039
a brothel inside a morgue when we
cover Ron Howard's night shift. Thanks for

888
00:58:50.079 --> 00:59:14.719
listening, absolutely, you know what, just back to this documentary real quick

889
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.960
like. So you're telling me guy
cuts the rope and assumes he just killed

890
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.679
his best friend, but you're saying
the guy lived. Yep, he fell

891
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.559
down into a crevasse, broke his
legs like landing, and had him crawled

892
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.920
out of the mountain through a crevass
with broken legs, and he had to

893
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:32.320
do it before his friend left,
because like, if he cuts out of

894
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:37.960
the mountain, there's nobody there.
He's The story is almost too over the

895
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:39.920
top to be true. I'm just
trying. It's a great story of survival.

896
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:44.400
I'm just trying to wrap my head
around the fact, like Brad cuts

897
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:49.000
the rope, I plummet to my
impending death, and then I crawl out

898
00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:53.440
to meet him at the car,
and like I'm just I'm already thinking,

899
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.079
like what kind of how much shit
am I going to give him? You

900
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.760
know, that's the thing too,