Nov. 25, 2024

Michael Crichton - Runaway

Michael Crichton - Runaway
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Season 5 A Film By...

Amber welcomes Def Dave back for another classic from 1984. On this episode, they examine the near-future advanced world of robots in every home, Kiss musician-turned villain Gene Simmons' hair, and Tom Selleck's popularity in Michael Crichton's sci-fi classic celebrating its 40th anniversary, Runaway!

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Tell me, Dave, if you could have one robot from

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any movie or television show, which one would it be.

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Oh? Man, I was not prepared for this. Okay, this

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I feel like I got. That's an important question. I

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needed some prep is. My first thought is the robot

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from Rocky four, because he's awesome and Stallane never should

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have taken him out of the director's cut. I also

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does Kitt count because I might have to count? I

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might have to.

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I'll allow it. I didn't think about Kit.

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I'm going with I'll go with I'll go with Kit

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from night Rider because it's one thing to have a

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self driving car, but to have a self driving car

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where you can kick back and play Pitfall on the

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Attari twenty six hundred at the same time. Yes, you

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can't beat that. So I'll go night Rider.

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Awesome. You know I actually sat in Kit when I

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was a kid. Yeah.

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Man, I asked my brother and I asked him if

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he could do his like do a launch over the

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river that we were saying in front of, and he

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was like, well, I don't think that's a good idea, right,

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So that was pretty cool.

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I thought about this a lot.

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My first thought was Rosie from The Jetsons. Then I

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thought maybe I would want a robot with a little

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narrower scope, so I picked Bamax from Big Here of Six. Okay,

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going to it'd always be good to have, you know,

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your own personal healthcare providing robots. He's He's very loving

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and very nurturing, so I wouldn't mind having him around.

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I'd feel pretty safe around him.

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I speaking of Rosie, I got definite Rosie vibes in

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this movie from Lois. But I guess we can get

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a little bit later.

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Yes, absolutely Well, as we said on the subject of

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robots and assistive technology, we're going to discuss a film

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by Michael Crichton from nineteen eighty four, his underrated classic Runaway. Hello,

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and welcome to a film by podcast. I'm Amber Lewis,

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aka the Voice of Reason, and I've taken over hosting

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duties for this episode and joining me on this glimpse

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into our possible future is Deaf Dave from the Apples

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and Oranges podcast.

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Welcome Dave. This is like your third or fourth time

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in a row.

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I think, Yeah, I've been doing a lot of these lately,

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so it's always fun. It seems that whenever nineteen eighty

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four movie comes around, Jeff thinks of me, and you

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know that's okay.

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I mean right, I'll take it.

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I give him a heart time about eighty six. The

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truth is eighty six is awesome all the year. Every

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year of the eighties are awesome. But if I am

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stuck advocating for nineteen eighty four that is that is

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not a problem for me at all. I will be

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glad to stand up for them. So yeah, hashtag best

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you ever. I'm happy to be out here with you.

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You know, I'm usually hashtag team member. You earned that

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reputation with me a couple of years ago with your

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take I believe it was. It was on ex Caliber

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versus King Arthur On.

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Yeah, I thank you. You coined the hashtag.

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Team actually, and then you confirmed your status in my

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mind with your take on the Muppet Christmas Carol movie.

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So we'll see if we end up on the same

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side tonight.

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I am confident because I heard your Dreamscape episode and

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the Red Dawn episode just dropped over on Patreon, so

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I'm looking forward to that one, and I have a

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feeling we're like minded.

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Yeah, I've been living in nineteen eighty four for the

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past few weeks thanks to Jeffin and that is not

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a problem. I appreciate it. It's always fun, all right.

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Well, we're going to get into our movie. A little synopsis.

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Runaway tells the story of an advanced society where most

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homes have robots that perform everyday menial tasks. Every so often,

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one malfunctions, and Sergeant Jack Ramsey played by Tom Selleck,

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an expert in rogue machines, must deal with it. When

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he and his new partner Karen Thompson played by Cynthia Rhodes,

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investigate a robot involved homicide, they discover strange computer chips.

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Rather than a mildfunction, someone is programming the robots to kill.

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The police must find whoever is behind the murder before

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more harm is done. So, Dave, tell me, like, do

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you remember where and when, like you first saw this movie.

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I'm pretty sure that I did not see it in

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the theater. It may have been on HBO. We did

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not have HBO at my house, but my friends across

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the street did. I saw a lot of movies there

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that might have been it. I mentioned this on the

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Red Dawn Patron episode that came out this past weekend.

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But just given Jeff a little bit of a hard time.

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One of my favorite things about nineteen eighty six was

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that that was the year we got a blockbuster and

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I was able to see a lot more movies from

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nineteen eighty four.

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You can catch up.

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This might have been a blockbuster night, but I would

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guess that I probably saw this in eighty five or

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eighty six, either on HBO or raining it same.

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My parents actually went on the rare date night to

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go see this in the theater. And then like we

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were the first on the block to get a VCR,

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so either we rented it at one of the you know,

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little local mom and pop video stores, or we saw

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it on HBO. But I can remember that, like, we

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loved Kiss in our house. We loved the makeup and

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the theatrics, we loved the music. So the kind of

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big draw was that Gene Simmons was in the movie,

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which it wouldn't really necessarily say that I think today,

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but that was that was definitely the hook for us then.

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Now this movie was written and directed by Michael Crichton,

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but really the draw was Tom Selleck. He had had

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a role in another criton movie, UH nineteen seventy eight

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so Coma, and he had been you know, of course

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Magnum p I for about four years by the time

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this movie came out, and had famously missed out on

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playing Indiana Jones due to scheduling on Magnum Pi. He

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just couldn't get out of filming the show to make

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the movie. But I feel like Ramsey is a kind

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of Indian Jones type hero. Like they're both kind of

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flawed and you know, kind of reluctant. They'll get into

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the scraps, but they kind of don't necessarily want to.

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They've got their their phobias. What do you think?

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Yeah, I, while I'm aware that he was almost cast

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as Tombs as Indiana Jones, I didn't really make the

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connection to him being that type of character in this movie,

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although you know, with us being introduced to his kryptonite, right,

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his fear of heights. Yes, I my mind did consciously

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go back to Indiana Jones and his fear of snakes,

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and so I don't know why I didn't put all

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that together in my head, but yeah, I can see

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that it's definitely more of an action role than Magnum was.

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I think. I mean, I know it had some action

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in thatvesment, we know more of a police drama, and

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this was this was a little bit different flavor. As

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far as I can recall, Tom Selleck was just like

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a comatose body in coma. I don't think he really.

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Had a lot like one scene where he was super charming,

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is that right? Okay, Yeah, to make you kind of

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care about the fact that then he ended up and

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to prove that like he was super healthy too.

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So it's suspice.

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Well, I wonder, I wonder how much of that previous

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working with Crichton informed his casting here. I don't know,

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but but yeah, you're right, it's definitely definitely a reunion there.

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This was shot in the summer of eighty four, between

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during the hiatus between seasons four and five, so he

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was he was an established primetime television star that everybody knew,

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so I guess he was. He had said that, you know,

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his schedule was pretty tight on the show and that

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he was afraid to say no to any movie because

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he didn't know how many offers he would be able

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to get or say yes to. So they were able

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to work this in in the summer of eighty four.

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It also affected Gene Simmons in his ability to be

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very involved with Kiss. This This movie was shot between

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the Kiss albums Lick It Up and Animalize, and he

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had to not be very involved with Animalized because of

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this movie. I think. I think Paul Stanley said that

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Gene crapped out a couple of demos and then left

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it to me or something like that. So so yeah,

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they squeezed it in. You know, both guys had had

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other stuff going on that summer, I mean, you know,

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during that time, but they were able to make it work.

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I guess for both their schedules. I don't know enough

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about Kiss. Did Gene Simmons have did he ever have

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long hair? Was it always a wig? Did he cut

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Did he cut his hair for this movie? Did he

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grow up back in time for the next tour? I don't,

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I don't. I'm I'm thinking about his hair because he doesn't.

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It doesn't fit his Kiss character, right. I I kind

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of feel like it was always a wig though, Okay,

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maybe like at least in the back.

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I don't know, but I love that we do get

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one genuine devil Kiss moment from Gene Simmons. They were

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able to work that little jump scare in at the end,

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which I thought was just like even when I I

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can't remember when I as a kid watching this movie

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and going.

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Oh, there it is.

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You know, you say that Celik just missed out on

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Indiana Jones. There's another well known role that he was

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offered that he turned down. I don't know if you

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know about this, but he was offered the role of

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Mitch Buchanan on Baywatch.

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Oh my gosh, the.

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Role that went to David Hauselholf.

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Wow bay Watch without the hoff I don't know.

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I know, but it became the like the most watched

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show in the world for a few years. So I

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don't know. So you could there's a what if you can?

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You can imagine that a little bit.

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No, I had never heard that. That is so funny.

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What could have been?

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I have one little piece of trivia on Selik. I

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don't know if you know this. He has a famous

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high school classmate that graduated with him in the same year. No,

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Mickey Dolan's from The Monkeys.

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From the Monkeys. Awesome.

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I love that. That's so random. He's not the only

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cast member of this movie to have famous high school classmates.

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I'll name them in a second, I.

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Guess, oh, yeah, you've got all the juicy bits.

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So then as his partner, we've got Cynthia Rhodes.

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And I died when they had to add in that well,

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I used to be a dancer, but then I hurt

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my knee. Like not everything part you play has to

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connect to dance if you're a dancer.

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But I mean to be fair, she is a fabulous dancer.

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She had been in Flash Dance and then in the

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Craptastic Staying Alive.

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The sequel to Saturday Night Fever.

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Did buy Yeah, and then.

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Went on, of course to play Penny in Dirty Dancing.

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But I love her in this. I think she is spectacular.

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You know, she's playing the part of the the plucky partner.

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I was about to say rookie, but she's really not

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a rookie. She's been in she's been working in traffic,

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so yes.

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She's been she's got experience on the streets, on the streets.

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Now she's fighting robots in a skirt and hills. But

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you know that's okay. Yeah, I think she did a

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good job, and I thought she was cute and all that.

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I don't know if we want to get into this

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later or not. But I thought them getting together romantically

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in the movie, I just didn't think that was I

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don't think that was necessary. I mean, I know, you

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get a little bit of that tension at the house

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with the kid, you wanted them to be together. That

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made sense to me, But it still didn't make sense

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for them to get together the end in my opinion.

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But but I did think that she was she was

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very good in this you know, you know you say

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she's mostly known as a dancer, and almost all of

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her film roles were dancing roles. Yes, but did you

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know and have you ever heard of the band An Emotion.

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I probably if you played a song, I would know it.

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But I can't say I'm familiar with them. But they

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were around in the mid eighties, and around eighty eight,

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I think or whatever, Cynthia Rhodes became their lead singer.

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She was the lead singer of this band, An Emotion.

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And the only reason I mentioned that is that they

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had a top ten single called Room to Move that

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was on My Stepmother is an Alien soundtrack.

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So she ends up there that's fabulous.

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And like right after that January of eighty nine something

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like that, she gets married to Richard Marx and she retired.

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They have three kids together, and she retires from acting

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to raise her family. She's missus Richard Marx. That blows

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my mind.

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Yep.

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Yeah, he wrote almost that whole debut debut album for her,

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which is like super romantic.

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It's sad now because they're no longer together, but.

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She and she I think was a dancer in some

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of his music videos. You know, I'll say this.

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I hope Jason, I think she was in the Rosanna.

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I was gonna. I want Jason Cole to be listening

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because she did appear with Patrick Swayze in Dirty Dancing. Yes,

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she did appear in the Rosanna music video. But Patrick

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Swayze is not in that video, and Jason insists that

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he is, but anyway, that's a running joke with him.

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Oh my god. That's yes, she is a dancer in

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Rosanna too, So that's that's pretty cool.

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And then rounding out kind of our top cast, we've

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got playing Bobby Joey Kramer from Flight to the Navigator

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love that movie, and he's super adorable and he and

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Tom Selleck are just charming together in their scenes. And

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then we also get fresh off of Star Trek Christy

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Ally playing like the totally believable bad girl. Like I

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was sold the minute she showed up, like, oh yeah,

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of course you're Jeene Simmon's girlfriend.

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This is a very early role for her. I thought

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she did a good job. There's all kinds of connections here,

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you know. He feature film debut was as Lieutenant Savoc

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in Star Trek two, which co starred Leonard Nimoy. She's

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most famous and known for Cheers, which she joined in

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eighty seven, and eighty seven was the year Leonard Nimoy

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directed both Ted Danson and Tom Selleck in three minut

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in a Baby, So there's all kinds of connections there.

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So oh my gosh, it's like six degrees of here'sty Ally.

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She was also she was in North and South in

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nineteen eighty five, and Stan Shaw, who's also in this cast,

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ended up being in North and South Part three or

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something like that in the nineties, so there's those kind

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of connections too. And where Cynthia Roose was with John

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Travolta and Staying Alive in the early part of the eighties.

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Christi Alli would close the eighties with John Travolta in

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the cinematic masterpiece. Look who's talking?

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Yes, and you know you mentioned stan Shaw like a

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deep bench of eighties like supporting cast. We've got GW.

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Bailey from Police Academy. Anne Marie Martin, who incidentally was

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also Michael Creighton's wife at the time. She's been in

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a tennis stuff Michael Paul chan I immediately recognized as Data's

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dad from the Guinies, Right.

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That's right, that's another Star Trek connection. Uh. Stan Shaw

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was Dipper in Rocky so I.

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Know, Oh my gosh, yes, he was.

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Like yeah, so shout out to Jeff. I know he

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he's familiar with Dipper, so again a Syvester Stallone again,

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you know, and he would reunite with Stallone in the

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nineties for the movie Daylight. So it's stan stan Shaw

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is just one of those that guys that you that

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you recognize pretty easily. Guess Joey Kramer, who the flood

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the Navigator kid? You know, he he's ended up a criminal,

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he's a he's served time multiple different charges.

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You're serious. Oh yeah, in real life, Oh my god.

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In real life he's served time for gun related charges,

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separately for possession charges, and in twenty sixteen, he robbed

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a bank. He pled guilty to wearing a disguise to

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commit a crime and guilty. He pled guilty to bank

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robbery and served like a couple of years.

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Oh my, I am floored.

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I thought you were gonna say, like, I just remember

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him his Flight of the Navigator.

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I don't even remember like his name or his character's

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name or anything.

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But I thought you were gonna say, like, no, he's

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got this great career as an adult and you just

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don't recognize him because he's grown up down.

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Oh horrible.

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No, he's robbing banks.

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He went to the dark side.

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Yeah, which, no one's been able to successfully rob a

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bank since you know why?

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I like, why would you even try?

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I don't know. There is a documentary on his life

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that came out, so I don't know. Maybe he tells

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his whole story there.

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Yeah, so g W.

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Bailey, I want to mention him. Just I got trivia

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on him.

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Oh yes, he's awesome.

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So obviously not the only police role that he has

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in nineteen eighty four, right, he's he's the captain in

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police Academy, you know, the one gonna move it, move it,

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move it. Interesting enough, Cynthia Rhodes's character is named Karen Thompson. Yes,

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And in Police Academy, Kim Catroll's character's name is Karen Thompson.

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So.

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G W. Bailey appeared in two nineteen eighty four movies,

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both of which had characters named Karen Thompson The Odds. So. GW.

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Bailey also has a couple of famous high school classmates

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that he graduated with. G W. Bailey graduated with football

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coach Jimmy Johnson and singer Janice Joplin.

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What they could not be two different people?

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That's hilarious to me. Janis Joplin, Jimmy Johnson, and GW.

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Bailey all in high school together.

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That's Texas for you, I guess.

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And by the way, the voice of Lois's a voice

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actor by the name of Marilyn Schreffer. She was a

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Hanna Barbara voice throughout the seventies and eighties. She you

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know Scooby do Laugh, Olympics, Captain Caveman, you know Fred

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and Barney, Scooby Doo, Popeye, Thunder of the Barbarian. She's

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she was a voice actress. She was everywhere, she was everywhere. Yeah,

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and she's and she's done movies live action movies like

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this where she just has a voice roll, you know,

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or she's doing a dr looping and stuff like that.

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But we get her here as lois. But if you

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grew up, you know, watching Scooby Do Olympics and stuff

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like that, it may ring some kind of she may.

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Sound familiar, Like I know Lewis exactly.

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Just the last guy on the cast that I want

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to mention it is kind of random. Chris Mulkey. He's

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one of my favorite bat guys. He in this movie.

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He plays the dad whose family gets murdered by the

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robot early on, and then he runs down the street

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runs away.

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Yes, he is definitely that guy. Even my son looked

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up and was like, I know him.

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I don't know why.

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Well, he was also in Dreamscape, so I just saw

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him in Dreamscape, you know, preparing for that episode. But

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I know him from a brilliant, short lived show in

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the early nineties called Bakersfield PD. I think maybe his

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most regular gig was on Twin Peaks. But he's just

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one of these guys that shows up, you know, in

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small roles all over the place. I mean, he's never

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quit working. But anyway, he's one of my favorites. So

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he's one of those that I know by name.

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So there's christ Yes, all right, So we are going

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to take a quick break and when we come back,

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we're going to take a look into the film's production

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and some pivotal scenes. All right, we are back and

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discussing Michael Crichton's nineteen eighty four underrated classic Runaway. The

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film was written and directed by Michael Crichton, who said

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that he was deliberately vague about the year the film

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was set. However, we get a glimpse of Ramsey's driver's

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license and that showing his birthdate, and we know that

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he's thirty five, so you can do the math, and

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the setting is nineteen ninety one, which just blows my mind.

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I love any kind of movie where we're talking about

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the future and it seems so far away, you know,

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and then you know, now it's twenty twenty four, and yes,

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I don't have my high speed rail.

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I know I need my jetpack and my high speed rail. Yes,

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you know this. I would consider this a near future movie.

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It has come out eighty fours at ninety one, and

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they you know, like that's us doing detective work to

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figure out ninety one. It was left unspecified in the

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you know, in the movie, like you said, yes, but

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you get the sense that it is near future, Like,

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this isn't a high level of robotics, right, this is

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very industrial. U. These are non humanoid.

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Yes, it's not you know, androids or anything like that.

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These are machines, right, that can just do one little

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extra thing that our machines can't.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it doesn't seem much

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different than just machines. But apparently they have some level

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of intelligence or whatever. But but I think keeping that

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the level of robotics kind of kind of low, kind

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of within grasp, very industrial looking like that, it's it

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gives it some reality. I guess it makes it a

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little bit more believable. You're not dealing with, you know,

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with high fantasy, you know, science fiction. This seems grounded.

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This seems like something that cops can be dealing with

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just in a few years, you know.

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Yeah, because it does.

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There is an element of the runaway calls that they

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first get that is a little bit like cat stuck

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in a tree kind of level of police work. But

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I feel like that gives the story room to raise

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the stakes because you know, you see, this is dangerous

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for people, like they are handling situations that are putting.

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The public at risk.

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But you know, what Luther is doing raises it raises

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the stakes to a whole another level because he's you know,

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he's creating situations where people are being murdered.

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Yeah, you're right. Like the initial calls that he's getting,

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you know, to go out to the cornfield and stop

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this runaway robot. I mean it seems like just a

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piece of farming equipment that needs a little maintenance. I mean,

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you know, it's like, is that really police work? What

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don't you call a mechanic? You know, it.

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Seems that I do love that the lady at the

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construction site, after she was done dissing the unions, which

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I'm like, oh, well this is who you are. His part,

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Thompson says like, can't you just pull the plug? And

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she's like, oh, it's not in our contract. I don't

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get paid to do.

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That, So you guys have to call the cops, right,

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I don't know.

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I can remember my mom was a paramedic, and like

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the fire department gets called for everything, so it's it's

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kind of believable, but.

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Once you discover, you know, that someone's purposely manufacturing chips

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that will turn robotic robots homicidal, and now that's a

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mystery you got to solve. You gotta find that guy.

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I mean that that definitely becomes police work, you know.

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Ye absolutely.

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Still to this day, I always think why was this

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film unsuccessful at the box office?

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Like this is a.

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Fun eighties movie, you know, and then you look at

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what it was up against, and it came out as

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the same time as The Terminator Star Trek three and

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twenty ten, the year we make contact, So like talk

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about having no chance at.

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All, Well, I mean the bar was high in nineteen

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eighty four. You know, hashtag best you ever. If you're

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gonna watch a nineteen eighty four movie about robots behaving badly,

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it's probably not gonna be Runaway, It's gonna be The Terminator.

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Yeah. Absolutely. Let's talk about like a pivotal scene in

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the movie.

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What for You is like the one scene that really

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is like the scene for you.

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The scene that stood out to me, that made the

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biggest impression on me. Then it's like the one image

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from this movie that has stayed with me ever since

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is when we are introduced to the smart bullet, the

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guided missile smart bullet that can turn corners and chase

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people down. That was like, holy crap.

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Yeah, shy lens on the camera.

472
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Right, which you know, as bullets go, it must have

473
00:25:55.279 --> 00:26:01.400
been an extremely slow flying projectile, which is funny. But

474
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:05.920
but yeah, that that to me separated this movie from

475
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.640
everything else and stood out in my mind. I thought

476
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.519
that was something that was interesting as an adult. You know,

477
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.160
as I'm watching this movie, the scene that strikes me

478
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:18.720
is is really kind of a criticism, and that is

479
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.720
when he murders Christiality in front of about two hundred people.

480
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.559
Oh what a gruesome death too.

481
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:27.559
My god, I know, a knife right in the back

482
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.000
of the skull drops her in the water. She's laying

483
00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:35.279
out bleeding, and nobody reacts, like, just there are no

484
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:39.599
consequences at all. They there back to eating and you know,

485
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:42.759
and like her death has never dealt with in the story.

486
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.000
It's just like, oh, so this happens a lot at

487
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:46.720
this restaurant.

488
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:54.000
I mean, yikes, right, it's hard life in the city. Well,

489
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:59.319
kind of piggybacking on your like of the smart bullet.

490
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.160
To me, the only scene, if I remember nothing else

491
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.920
from this movie is the scene where Thompson gets shot

492
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.319
with one of those smart bullets and it does not detonate,

493
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:14.440
it goes into a reform and Ramsey doesn't want to

494
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:20.440
let the robot remove the bullet because the robots are unreliable.

495
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.599
They screw up all the time, and.

496
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:25.079
This thing can explode and just take her whole arm off.

497
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.799
So he goes in and takes that bullet out, and

498
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:34.839
logistics aside, like none of that's very realistic, But the

499
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.759
scene of him taking that bullet out is like, I

500
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.720
don't breathe the whole time, Like I get lightheaded because

501
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.759
I'm so stressed out and tense.

502
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:45.680
Watching that happen.

503
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:50.440
I think it is absolutely like the most intense scene

504
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:51.960
of the whole movie.

505
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.720
And I think that's her best scene as an actress.

506
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:57.839
I think that's her best scenes in the movie. I

507
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.279
thought she did really well with that, absolutely, and you

508
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.200
know that's that's not you know, she's a dancer, right,

509
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.319
All her acting roles are dancing roles, and for her

510
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.400
to be able to step up and deliver on that scene,

511
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.519
I mean, good for her. That was that was you know,

512
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:12.160
good job.

513
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.799
Yes, they both just sold it like so intensely.

514
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:20.319
But I also this time around did enjoy the chase

515
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:24.200
scene where they're trying to get Kirsty Ali to the

516
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:28.200
restaurant and Luther makes his first attempt at killing her.

517
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.160
And he's dropping these.

518
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:34.960
Robots from a hole in the bottom of his car

519
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.880
so that they can chase down the police cars that

520
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:43.880
Kirsty Ally's in, And it gave me very captain America's

521
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.839
Civil War. I think it was where the winner soldier

522
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:51.319
uses one of those okay kind of technology to blow

523
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:52.559
up Nick Fury's car.

524
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:54.759
So, you know, I grew up on the dukes of

525
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:59.359
Hazard and some of my favorite stunt scenes were from

526
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.680
that show, where it's usually Luke, you know, bow is

527
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:03.799
the driver. Luke wouldn't be the guy who would climb

528
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.599
out on top of the car when it's going down there, right,

529
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.200
He would like be jumping into the next vehicle or something.

530
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.720
And so in this one where like Tom Selleck, I mean,

531
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.559
you know, where Jack Ramsey is opening car doors and

532
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:20.720
straddling the highway and walking into the next car. You know,

533
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.200
you're seeing that kind of stunt work. I love that.

534
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.519
I mean, that's I've said this on other shows. One

535
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.519
reason why I enjoy watching eighties movies so much is

536
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:35.359
you're getting practical stunts. I missed practical stunt work so

537
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.039
much and same and clearly you have a something man

538
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.119
doing this. He is going from one car to the

539
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.119
next as they're going side by side down this road,

540
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.079
and I just thought it was very impressive. I didn't

541
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:48.279
know what was about to happen. I thought he was

542
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.160
gonna stand there, like when I was a kid, I

543
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:51.759
shared a bedroom with my little brother and we had

544
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.000
twin beds, and we'd play this game where I'd stretch

545
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:55.799
out between them like a human bridge, and he'd like

546
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.039
walk across me, and usually I'd fall and like have

547
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:00.920
all the wind knocked out me, and I'd be crying.

548
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.359
But I thought that was I thought Kirsty Ally was

549
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.240
about like walk across tom Selle to get to the

550
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.359
next car somebo I didn't know what was gonna happen. Yes,

551
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.000
I enjoyed that stunt work more than the little explosive

552
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.079
remote control cars. But yeah, that was a that was

553
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.119
a cool scene. Yeah, absolutely, early on, like a scene

554
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:21.079
that got me. This time was still early in the movie,

555
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.720
but we'd already seen them go on one runaway call

556
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.599
and deal with this with this machinery at the farm,

557
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:33.400
and we understand that, so, you know, robots are common

558
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.079
in this world that we're visiting in this movie, but

559
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.039
it's so imperfect that there's an entire division of the

560
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:46.519
police department dedicated to taking care of all these problematic robots.

561
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.519
And then he comes home and they have their own

562
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.839
robot who's alone with the kid, you know, And I

563
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.480
was just by the time we get to Lois, which

564
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.880
is the name of the domestic robot that has an intelligence,

565
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.799
talks and stuff. Yes, it's creepy, Like by the time

566
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.799
she's introduced, I'm creeped out by her because I feel like, oh,

567
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.240
this is going to go bad. This is a problem.

568
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.200
You know, it's only a matter of time before she

569
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:11.799
goes bad.

570
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:12.319
Yeah.

571
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:16.680
Well, and Ramsey has a great explanation. He tells Thompson,

572
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.799
you know, she's like, why are the these are supposed

573
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.759
to be robots. They're supposed to be you know, machines

574
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.559
that don't make mistakes, So why do we even have

575
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.240
a division. And he's like, well, they're made by people,

576
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.119
and people are flawed, so of course the machines that

577
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.799
they make are going to be flawed like that just

578
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:33.759
is logical.

579
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.119
But I'm gonna pause on that. He does the excellent point,

580
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.559
and I think the reason why I think it's such

581
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.759
an excellent point is that it's a recurring theme for

582
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:46.119
Michael Crichton. You see that in a lot of his stories.

583
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.839
You see it, and whether it's robotics or you know,

584
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.880
biotechnology of some sort, or you know science, whether it's

585
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.640
West World, dress at Park or anything like that, where

586
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:03.759
you've got brilliant minds creating new things. But these you know,

587
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:06.319
these are still imperfect humans and then they're end up

588
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.599
with flaws in their creation and causes problems. So I

589
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.960
think I think I see a thematic connection on that

590
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.119
point with everything from Westworld to Jurassic Park.

591
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.640
Yeah, you're absolutely right, and you know, especially Jurassic Park,

592
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:26.279
Like the biggest problem was they thought that they had

593
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:30.720
like outthought every problem, and really what you need to

594
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.920
do is plan for when every problem happens, not say, oh,

595
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.400
we're preventing problems.

596
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.160
You have to say, nope, they're getting out. It's going

597
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:41.759
to happen, and what are we going to do when

598
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:42.079
they do?

599
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:46.720
Right, So similar to this, you know, it's like what's

600
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.640
going to happen when you know your coffeemaker turns on

601
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.880
you because it's gonna happen. And then Ramsey later on,

602
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.720
you know, after he tells Thompson that it only makes

603
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.759
sense that these robots would would have be fallible, he

604
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.079
then reassures his son, and his son says, you know,

605
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.400
is there any chance that like Lois could go crazy

606
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:07.079
and kill us all?

607
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.319
And he's like, no, we'll be fine. Yeah, there's no

608
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.079
way she'll be all right. It's like, mmm, is is

609
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:13.480
she though?

610
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.119
So, you know, speaking of Alexa. More than most movies

611
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.799
I can think of, this movie and this is a

612
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:26.400
credit to Crichton does a pretty good job of predicting

613
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:30.559
the future, and we see a lot of technology that

614
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.079
has come to be true portrayed here in a speculative sense.

615
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.400
I made a list. Did you make a list?

616
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.240
I've got a list, But you go ahead.

617
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.039
All right, tell me if I missed anything. We've got

618
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.000
the prototype of a drone.

619
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.960
Absolutely, that's the first thing that jumped out of me. Yeah,

620
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.079
I mean it is a drone. It's exactly, it's exactly

621
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:51.240
a drone that we have today.

622
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:58.319
Alexa, Yes, a ring doorbell, yes, face recognition software, an

623
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:03.000
iPad right, And I don't know that there are century robots,

624
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.119
but I don't know that there's not Like I mean,

625
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:12.800
there's definitely motion detectors and you know, very very high

626
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:17.800
tech security systems. So even if it's not like a

627
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.239
robot pacing around and zapping you, well.

628
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.760
You know, there's also what appears to be, at least

629
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:31.719
functionally the equivalent of social media, because that's what Gene

630
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.280
Simmons does is when he's looking for stuff on Jack Ramsey,

631
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.599
you know, how to get to him. He's calling up

632
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.159
his social profile, He's finding out all about him. You know.

633
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.079
I feel like that that kind of presages social media.

634
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.800
But what's even invisible to us because it's just so automatic,

635
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.599
is that none of that's possible without something like the

636
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.559
Internet in place, you know, and like that, even just

637
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.199
the Internet in general was not a common thing for

638
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:01.800
everybody in nineteen eighty four, so I thought that was pretty.

639
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.760
Good to Yeah, I think we had email then, but

640
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.440
it was very early day.

641
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.079
I mean maybe at high levels in the military and academia,

642
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.239
but not everything. Yeah, you know, I don't think so

643
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.480
we had home computers. We were just starting to get

644
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:14.119
home computers.

645
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:18.840
I think, well, and then there was also when Luther

646
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:23.840
hacks into the police like phone system and he's watching

647
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.360
them on their closed circuit television and everything. He makes

648
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.800
the comment like, you can't trace this call because I'm

649
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.960
on a mobile phone, right, Like that was unheard of.

650
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:35.440
You know.

651
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.239
We also I'm wondering about little things like the wireless headsets.

652
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.440
I mean, was that was that a thing in eighty four?

653
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:46.559
I don't know they were walking down No.

654
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.719
I would say walkie talkie was like a smaller walkie talkie,

655
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.320
not the big, huge like military ones. I think having

656
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.079
a small one was probably a big deal.

657
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.639
We still don't have the heat seeking smart bullets that

658
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.159
turn owner, I don't think, I.

659
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:06.800
Mean, thank goodness, and how terrifying, like they can even

660
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.719
read the different heat signatures so that they hit the

661
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:11.360
right target.

662
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.039
Yeah, yeah, I think that's a little fuzzy science. I

663
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.000
don't know if that's if that's really a real thing,

664
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.559
but you know, it's a conceit of the movie that

665
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.880
everybody's got a unique heat signature that the bullet's going

666
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.000
to attract. For some reason, in my head, I was

667
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.920
thinking they were somehow like DNA specific, like you could

668
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.880
program it a target you go after somebody with that DNA.

669
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.440
But I don't. Obviously I'm wrong about that. For some reason,

670
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:34.440
that's what I had in my head.

671
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:35.719
I thought it was your fingerprint.

672
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.920
I think they call it something like a fingerprint bullet

673
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:40.679
or something like that at one point.

674
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.679
And I was like, well, but how would they get that?

675
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:43.400
I don't know.

676
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.039
I have seen the Army develop a gun whose barrel

677
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.199
can turn ninety degrees and you can shoot from around

678
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:49.639
a corner.

679
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.840
No way, I'm not kidding, Oh my heavens.

680
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:56.920
I mean the path of the bullet straight, but you can. Yeah,

681
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.840
you can bend the barrel and hide behind a corner.

682
00:36:59.559 --> 00:36:59.880
Wow.

683
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.239
I don't know how it works, but I've seen I've

684
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.000
seen video of it.

685
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:06.639
That's terrifying, straight up.

686
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.480
One last thing I wanted to talk about, as far

687
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.159
as production goes, how do we feel about the soundtrack.

688
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:18.079
This was Jerry Goldsmith's first completely electronic soundtrack, and all

689
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.719
I can really say for it is that the movie

690
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.119
had just started, the music comes up, and my son

691
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.880
popped in from the kitchen and said, Tron, are you Tron?

692
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.880
He was very excited. I thought, you can feel about this.

693
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:34.000
I kind of liked it.

694
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.199
I thought you're gonna say Jetson's at the opening of

695
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.599
the movie. I understand he like incorporated a little bit

696
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.800
of the Jetsons themes or chords indies.

697
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:44.559
I read that. I never heard it.

698
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.480
Yeah, I'm no good at that. I'm not enough of

699
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.079
a musician to be able to tell. I'm not great

700
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.400
with recognizing scores. You know. They they tend to disappear

701
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.840
in the background for me, and they just they're informing

702
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.559
my experience and my emotion whatever. But I'm not usually

703
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.199
very conscious of it, except for like the big fat

704
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.199
heroic themes that you get, you know, that are always obvious,

705
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.800
But as far as like the atmospheric and the emotional stuff,

706
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.079
it's usually disappearing in, you know, in the periphery of

707
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.639
my awareness. So I don't I usually don't have a

708
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.599
lot to say. I'm not I'm not Wayne. I'm not great, right.

709
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.320
That's why I love Wayne segments because he always opens

710
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.760
my eyes to some really good stuff. But I will

711
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.599
say this, when our score is really bad, it jumps out,

712
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.920
and the worst one I can think of is Lady Hawk.

713
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:32.639
You like Lady Hawk's soundtrack?

714
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:37.920
Yeah, I disagree, I am. Now you need to listen

715
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.320
to our Lady Hawk episode.

716
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.760
I love Lady Hawk. I love Lady Hawk. It is

717
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:47.440
an awesome movie that is nearly ruined by electronic.

718
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.119
That was one thing that we did decide.

719
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.480
It is one of those things in the movies where

720
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.159
sometimes it's just a you either love it or you

721
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.159
hate it, and the people that love it will always

722
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.199
love it, and the people that hate it cannot be

723
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.199
convinced otherwise.

724
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.599
But you know, I think I love it though. I mean,

725
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.760
I love Goldsmith's decision just because you know, he's thinking

726
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.039
about the type of story it is, and he's thinking

727
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.800
about what's going to best serve the story and serve

728
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.239
the setting, and he's willing to take, you know, step

729
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.360
out and do something different he's ever done before. So

730
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.400
I mean, all that's great, go all in. You know,

731
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.400
I don't. I don't. I don't have anything bad to

732
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.400
say about it, But I also don't have any specific

733
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.800
thoughts about it either. So that just tells me that,

734
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.079
you know that he did his job, and I would

735
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.800
need Wayne in here to tell me about everything else

736
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:33.519
that makes it good.

737
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.679
Same, I agree, all right, we are going to take

738
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.280
another quick break and then we'll have some final thoughts,

739
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:46.280
and we'll wrap up our discussion of Runaway, and we

740
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:51.639
are back discussing Michael Creighton's nineteen eighty four underrated classic Runaway.

741
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.360
Some facts about Michael Crichton. One thing that I just

742
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:03.199
thought was just the crazy, like circular.

743
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:03.559
Kind of story.

744
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:09.480
On his first trip to Universal Studios when they were

745
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:15.800
making the film The Andromeda Strain from his novel, he

746
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.199
was given a tour of the studio by this young

747
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.679
new director named Steven Spielberg, who twenty years later would

748
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.519
go on to direct Jurassic Park.

749
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:31.760
Huh, that's like, is that crazy or that that's crazy?

750
00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.079
Like here, Stevie, go show this guy era another piece

751
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:36.519
of trivia.

752
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:42.119
He has a dinosaur named after him, the Critanosaurus. What

753
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:47.599
is a type of ankliosaur. So the Ancliosaurs were the

754
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.519
the guys that had like the armor plated shell and

755
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.519
then they had like a tail with like a armor

756
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.639
plated ball on it, and that was how they kind of, okay,

757
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:03.719
you know, defended themselves against their predators. So yeah, it's

758
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.679
a type of anklis or and it was found in China.

759
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.079
Huh, I didn't know that. That's pretty awesome.

760
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.920
And he also finally has an MD from Harvard.

761
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.679
Yes, and went all the way through med school and

762
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.320
did his residency and everything, and then he was like,

763
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.360
you know what, the kind of like writing more.

764
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.519
Yeah, he's he's a scientist and trained as a doctor,

765
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:30.239
never licensed, and he would just be like, I just

766
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.280
would rather write or and then he goes, huh, I'd

767
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.079
rather direct, and he just ends up falling into these

768
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.119
incredible he's just like living life above the rim. I

769
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.119
don't know all these incredible things happened to him, you know,

770
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.440
it's it's it's it's a wild life story that he's had.

771
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.760
I think by the time he was doing some writing

772
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:51.880
while still in school, like he was, he was turning

773
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:56.239
out these uh, these like pot boiler little action novels

774
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.519
under a pen name while still going to medical school

775
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:07.840
at Harvard. Okay, but by the time he was done

776
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.920
with school and he just he was I think maybe

777
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:16.480
disillusioned with medical field or disillusioned with doctors, and it

778
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.199
was just like, I'd rather just write stories. So but

779
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.079
but obviously, you know that type of scientific background and

780
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.039
just that scientific mind. Obviously he's very intelligent. He's he's

781
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.079
also you know, doing a lot of like really serious

782
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:36.840
research and really developing scientific you know, ground like grounding

783
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.960
and all of his stories that he tells and you

784
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.840
can tell that he's just a it's a smart guy.

785
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.440
He's highly educated guy. So and that's that's one of

786
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.800
the things that that I like about him is that

787
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:49.559
his stories are smart, you know, and you can know

788
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.360
that he's he's coming from a reality, from stuff that

789
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.239
he's either either knows or he's gone out and learned.

790
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:57.800
So I think that's that's pretty cool.

791
00:42:58.199 --> 00:42:59.239
Yeah, funny story.

792
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.840
My my dad was the most well read person I've

793
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.239
ever met, and he was trying to sell me. You know,

794
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.159
we were always trying to find new things to read.

795
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:09.679
You're always running out of stuff to read.

796
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:11.000
And he was.

797
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.960
Trying to sell me on Tom Clancy and he was like,

798
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.599
it's like Michael Creighton, only like with military. And I'm like, okay, Well,

799
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.480
as fascinating as I find the science that Michael Crichton

800
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.039
writes about, I do not want to know the exact

801
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.960
specifications of a Russian nuclear submarine Like that does not

802
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.559
enhance the storytelling for me at all. So Tom Clancy

803
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.360
was never gonna be my thing. But Michael Crichton definitely

804
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:38.440
was that's.

805
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.800
Right too, Amber. I don't know if I'm on team

806
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.519
member anymore. Oh, no, Lady Hawk. I love Lady Hawk.

807
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.159
I like we're for the movie. I don't like the

808
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.760
Lady Hawk soundtrack, and but I do love some Tom Clancy.

809
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:51.800
I was reading all those novels back in the day.

810
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.639
Oh boy, But.

811
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.480
You're right, it is similar, or your dad was right.

812
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.159
It is similar to Crichton in the sense that it's

813
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.719
just some very real world research and some very real

814
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.280
world ideas that are grounding those stories. You know, you

815
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.480
can tell them to come in from from an educated

816
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.400
place with all of that, and you can trust it.

817
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.840
You can trust the storytelling. Like I said, he left

818
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.800
medical school kind of disillusioned, and after leaving medical school

819
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:19.400
he decided to study astral projection or a viewing and

820
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.519
clarairvoyance because he believed all of these were real and

821
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:27.039
that the scientific community had dismissed them too easily, and

822
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:27.760
so he spent.

823
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.360
Well that explains why we have like a random psychic

824
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.400
scene in this movie.

825
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:34.639
And it was so casually included and runaway. Well, you

826
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.039
need to go see the psychic Okay, yeah.

827
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.679
She's in the house right now. I'll have her to

828
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:39.199
your office.

829
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.760
What kind of movie are we watching all of a sudden? Yeah,

830
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.519
so I thought that was interesting. Like I said, he

831
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.119
he was starting to write these little pot boiler and

832
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.679
he dismissed them later as just it's just like hack work.

833
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.920
But he was writing, under the pen name John Lane,

834
00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:02.480
a series of these action paperbacks through the sixties into

835
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.559
the early seventies, and like I said, he would go

836
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:09.480
on to kind of dismiss those. And you know, but

837
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:11.239
here's his quote. I have a quote for you. Can

838
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:12.039
I give you a quote?

839
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.320
Yeah, I have one too. I want to see if

840
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:15.039
we have the same one.

841
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.519
I'll die all right, Well that I can hold. I

842
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:18.840
can hold off on the quote if you want me

843
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.840
to let me hear it. Okay, it is related to

844
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.599
these John Lane stories. That was his pen name. He said.

845
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.800
My feeling about the Laying books is that my competition

846
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.239
is in flight movies. One can read the books in it,

847
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.159
he said. My feeling is that the competition is in

848
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.400
flight movies. One can read the books in about an

849
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.960
hour and a half and be more satisfactorily amused than

850
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.719
watching Doris Day.

851
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:54.800
I mean, that's a good stuff. Awareness, you know, He

852
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:55.320
would go on.

853
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.920
Yeah.

854
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.480
My quote was, I just pulled out the first line

855
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.079
of his autobiography, which reads, it's not easy to cut

856
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.159
through a human head with a hacksaw.

857
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:11.039
Yikes.

858
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.960
And I like, there's so many layers to why he

859
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:15.199
would be saying that.

860
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:17.400
It definitely makes you want to read the rest of

861
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:18.039
the thought about it.

862
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:19.679
I was gonna say, if I opened a book and

863
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.280
that was the first sentence, I would be reading more.

864
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:23.920
I would have to know where that was going to go.

865
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:25.920
Right, how are we going with this?

866
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.159
The only couple of things I got here is, first

867
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.679
of all, in nineteen seventy six, he wrote a screenplay

868
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.880
called Eaters of the Dead and they were they put

869
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.440
they were putting a deal together, and he was going

870
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.440
to direct it, and they were like getting set. They

871
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.039
were like, they're in development. They were getting set to

872
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:46.440
shoot it, and then for whatever reason, it fell apart

873
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.800
and it never it never took place. And then in

874
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:55.079
the late nineties it fell to John McTiernan and he

875
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:59.039
directed it but renamed it Thirteenth Warrior. And so that's

876
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:03.000
actually based on a story that Crichton did some uncredited

877
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.599
like second unit work for, But that was one that

878
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.079
was that was supposed to be his movie in the seventies,

879
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:10.760
and it came out at the end of the nineties.

880
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.239
The other thing that I thought was cool was, you

881
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.079
know he had done he had done Great Train Robbery

882
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.639
with Sean Connery, I think, like in seventy eight, and

883
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.559
around nineteen eighty he pitched doing what was basically what

884
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:28.079
he called a modern day King Solomon's minds adventure movie,

885
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:32.800
and it was gonna star Sean Connery, and so like

886
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.519
everybody was interested, there were stars lining up, there was

887
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.320
a bidding war for the film rights. He was going

888
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.440
to write the book and all this stuff, like they

889
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.599
were putting this whole deal together, and it fell apart also,

890
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:49.000
and it never It never took place then, but would

891
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.599
later see life in the nineties as the movie Congo,

892
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:56.639
directed by Frank Marshall. So that his King, his modern

893
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:58.599
day King Solomon's Mind's idea that he was gonna have

894
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:03.360
Sean Connery in became Congo in nineteen ninety five. Oh wow.

895
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.280
And then to wrap that up, Sean Connery's final film

896
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.039
role was as Alan Quartermain in the League of Gentleman

897
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.960
Extraordinary Gentleman, a movie so bad that it may Son

898
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.159
Conry Gatar. He's like, I'm out, I'm done.

899
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:22.400
I'm gonna go play golf in the Bahamas. Oh my good,

900
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.280
all these connections. This guy look like you said, he

901
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:29.599
had his finger in just about everything, but he didn't

902
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:37.000
really direct a ton of movies. So as we're kind

903
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.480
of closing out this episode, we asked the question, if

904
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.960
someone was unfamiliar with this director, which three films would

905
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.559
you suggest that they watch? So I did tell you

906
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.840
before we started that I fluffed the rules a little

907
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.679
bit and branched out just slightly from the directing because

908
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.960
I haven't seen all the movies that he's directed, and

909
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.320
there are many to choose from.

910
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.840
So what is on your list? What would you have

911
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:08.559
someone watch?

912
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.760
So I would start with Westworld. So that came out

913
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.599
in the early seventies, and it's the idea of robots

914
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.119
going rogue. Uh and it's in a theme park, so

915
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:26.519
there's a couple of recurring crighton tropes already showing itself

916
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:29.559
in West World. I think, you know, you get your

917
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:31.920
you get your bad science movie with Como, you get

918
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.639
your bad robot movie run Away, and then you apply

919
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.000
both of those to theme park settings and you get Westworld.

920
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.079
In Jurassic Park. So so, uh yeah, West World. You

921
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:46.159
know you're Brenner Josh Brolin and and it's kind of creepy.

922
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:47.840
I guess maybe it's a horror movie. I don't know,

923
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:49.880
but it's a it's a science fixing movie with the

924
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.280
dark edge. You know, they this tourist attraction that uses

925
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.960
robotics and then they kind of go evil and then

926
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.679
you have to like fight for your life. So to me,

927
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.760
it's it's fun and it was a big hit, and

928
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.800
it spawned sequels in a franchise and all that kind

929
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.039
of stuff. So I'll definitely start with West World. Do

930
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:10.960
you want to go back and forth to give you

931
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:11.639
let's go.

932
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:16.039
Let's go back and forth. My first choice was Coma.

933
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.119
I absolutely love this movie.

934
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:18.639
We did.

935
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.519
It was part of our discussion over on Docking Bay.

936
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.119
I think it was like our top seven of the

937
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:28.239
seventies or something like that. But it's Jean villeve Bougeot

938
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:34.880
and Michael Douglas and it's a medical mystery. You have

939
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.760
people perfectly healthy people, you know. Tom Selleck pops up

940
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.079
as a guy who's just having a knee reconstruction surgery

941
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.159
and ends up falling into a coma and and never

942
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:47.760
wakes up.

943
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.320
And so yeah, that movie. That movie creaked me out.

944
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:53.280
That movie is so creepy.

945
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.000
Yes, it is very creepy, but I love it because

946
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:03.239
it's a rare instance of a woman in a medical field.

947
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.119
You know, this is seventy eight, that was still kind

948
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:12.039
of new territory, and she's very like career oriented. You know,

949
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.400
she is not coming home and making Michael Douglas dinner.

950
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:15.679
She's like, you make your own.

951
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.679
You know, I worked all day, and she is, you know,

952
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.360
kind of the leader of our story. So it's it's

953
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:26.039
got a great female protagonist and a really creepy medical

954
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:27.119
mystery for you to solve.

955
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.960
It was actually based on a Robin Cook novel, which

956
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:33.960
you know, it feels like it could have been a

957
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.320
criton original story, Like it feels like a critoned story,

958
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.280
but it also obviously feels like a Robin Cook story too,

959
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:42.480
so you kind of see how he would be a

960
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:47.440
natural choice to direct an adaptation of one of Cook's books.

961
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:51.320
So but yeah, that movie, that whole premise of that

962
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.199
movie and the reveal in that movie, all of that

963
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.880
just like preyed on my worst fears about surgery in general,

964
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.280
Like I'm never going to the hospital again. Yeah, yeah,

965
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:01.000
that was you.

966
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:06.360
Are not putting me under? Which you remember two?

967
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.599
Well, I had coma as my second one, so awesome.

968
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:12.239
Yeah, you were back on our like.

969
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.840
Minded So the third one I'll mention is the Great

970
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:18.880
Train Robbery, which have you seen that one?

971
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.119
Like when I was a kid. I need to rewatch it.

972
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.719
I need to find where it's available to us.

973
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.039
Came out in seventy eight. It stars Sean Connery and

974
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.440
Donald Sutherland and it's a heist movie in England.

975
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:34.559
And a true story, you know.

976
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.079
Yeah, And it's based on a historical fact. There was

977
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:41.280
an actual Great Train robbery in eighteen fifty five that

978
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:43.920
Crichton learned about while he was traveling Europe, you know,

979
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.519
as you do when Michael Crichton.

980
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.079
And said, I'm just gonna, you know, write a story back.

981
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.440
Yeah, And so he he delved into this and he

982
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.280
studied the real world story of what had happened, and

983
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.440
he wrote a novel based on it. And the novel

984
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.280
was a more serious tone. It was more of a

985
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:08.360
straightforward accounting, I guess, or a dramatization of it. The

986
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.280
movie tries to be a little lighter, tries to be

987
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:13.280
a little more farcical, and I don't know if they

988
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.199
pulled that off, but it was fun seeing a heist.

989
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.719
I love heist movies. I'm a sucker for heist movies,

990
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:18.400
right same.

991
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.199
I love the planning, Yeah, I love all the planning.

992
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.760
I love seeing all right, here is all the security

993
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:27.480
measures are impossible to beat, yes, and here's how we're

994
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.639
gonna beat them, right and uh and then of course

995
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.840
something has to go wrong and they got improvised and on. No,

996
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.280
but I love I'm a sucker for that, that whole formula.

997
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.360
I love heist movies. I don't think i'd ever seen

998
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.440
one that was done like this and set in the

999
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.960
eighteen fifties and in England, and it was, it was,

1000
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.079
it was. It was a fun and seeing Southerland and

1001
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:50.360
Connery working together. So I would recommend that. I thought

1002
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:55.320
that was honestly, that may I don't know. Coma's pretty good.

1003
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.320
I think Coma and Great Train Robbery are Crichton's best.

1004
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:04.599
That's work. I think I think they're both. I think

1005
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:05.719
they're both better than Runaway.

1006
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.320
Well. I'm definitely putting Great Train Robbery on my to

1007
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:11.880
do list. My number two.

1008
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:15.519
Choice was Runaway. I just I love this movie. I

1009
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.760
think it's fabulous. And then my third choice, like I said,

1010
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.280
I cheated a little because it's my episode and I can,

1011
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:28.559
and I chose The Andromeda Strain, which was based on

1012
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:33.320
Michael Crichton's book and he did co write the screenplay,

1013
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.119
but he did not direct it. But this was my

1014
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:41.199
first introduction to his work. And you know, you talk

1015
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:46.320
about coma making like a real significant mark on your psyche,

1016
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:52.239
this movie absolutely like hit me hard, really just yeah,

1017
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:57.559
just the idea of you know, again, another medical mystery.

1018
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.440
This one has a little bit of an extraterrestrial right

1019
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:08.079
twist to it, and finding out that there are places

1020
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:09.599
like you know, because I was a kid when I

1021
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:12.039
saw this, so finding out that there were places like

1022
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.639
the CDC and you Samred where you have to go

1023
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.440
through these layers of protocol as you deal with more

1024
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:25.920
and more infectious and deadly pathogens to get down to

1025
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:32.000
this super secure area where they're studying whatever this thing

1026
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.000
is and trying to figure out, you know, how to

1027
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.920
stop it and keep it from spreading and contain it.

1028
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.920
And the whole thing to me was just completely fascinating

1029
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.719
and just always kind of defined in my head when

1030
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.840
you say, Michael Criton, that's immediately the first thing I

1031
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:49.719
think of, and the.

1032
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:54.320
Horror, the fear is that much more convincing because of

1033
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.440
how grounded all of the logic feels, you know, like

1034
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:01.000
it feels very realistic that this is something that can

1035
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:05.039
be happening. Yes, so you know that again, coming from

1036
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:09.840
that hard science background informing the story does a lot,

1037
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.920
you know, to to heighten the horror of of of

1038
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:14.119
what you're talking about.

1039
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.000
So yeah, because it's so simple.

1040
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.920
It's just like a satellite returns to Earth and it

1041
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.320
has a pathogen on it, like yeah, and you don't

1042
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.079
know what it out there, what you could pick up,

1043
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:25.840
I mean, and.

1044
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.360
You don't know what scary things the military is working

1045
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:32.440
on down in their secret sub base, right Yeah, So yeah,

1046
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.880
I'm with you. There's a there's a horror. I don't

1047
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:38.840
know if everybody sees these as horror stories, but I

1048
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.800
see both Androma Strain and Coma as horror stories because

1049
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.599
they're preying on my fears and they and they seem

1050
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.679
so real with how you know again, all the researches.

1051
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.920
Well and even run Away, like you know, there's a

1052
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:59.079
a D movie parallel with maximum overdrive, where you know,

1053
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.280
the sheenes you know, come to life and attack us.

1054
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:03.519
All I mean, at this.

1055
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.920
Point, you know they're not there's a little bit we

1056
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.639
touch on AI, but they're not really you know, self aware,

1057
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.519
and they're not really you know, trying to take their own.

1058
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.400
Control. But there is sort of that.

1059
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:24.440
You know, it's very easy to give personality to these

1060
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.519
objects that we use every day, you know, I know,

1061
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:29.599
in my computer glitches at work, I'm like, come on,

1062
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:34.039
a little buddy, work for me. Recognize that printer. You

1063
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:38.840
know it's there, all right? So final thoughts do we

1064
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:40.159
recommend seeing this film?

1065
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:45.599
I'm gonna throw you a curveball here. I don't think

1066
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.639
I could recommend this freely to everybody. This is not

1067
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.800
one that's near the top of my list. I enjoy

1068
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.880
this movie. I do enjoy it, but I enjoy it

1069
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.199
a little bit ironically, like I think it's it's a

1070
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.039
guilty pleasure. I put it in the guilty pleasure category.

1071
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:06.840
I'm never fully convinced by the stakes. I think. I

1072
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:11.000
think maybe it comes down to these robots don't seem

1073
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.480
very scary to me. I mean, they're all very small

1074
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.280
and you can kind of kick them around.

1075
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:18.840
And yeah, like even the spiders, which are like creepy

1076
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:23.400
as heck, Like why nobody is stepping on them or

1077
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:25.599
kicking them out of the way or Yeah, they.

1078
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:27.480
Just don't seem like they'd be a huge problem, you know,

1079
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.719
And I feel like the actors are having to work

1080
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.159
really hard to sell the idea that these little bitty

1081
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.199
robots are so dangerous or you know, and even like

1082
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.679
the elevator fight, it I don't know, it's and you know,

1083
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:41.440
a lot of this also, let's be honest. You know,

1084
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:47.519
Gene Simmons is a great rock star, yes, but you know,

1085
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:50.199
he didn't have a movie career really take off. Uh

1086
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:52.800
you know, he was in he was in an episode

1087
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:54.559
of Mimy Vice. After this, he was in Wanted Dead

1088
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:59.039
or Alive. But I you know, his acting is a

1089
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.079
little bit one note in this and uh yeah, and

1090
00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.119
I thought he was really over the top in that

1091
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:09.840
climatic scene. So I don't know, the movie never totally.

1092
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.559
Yeah, the ending does kind of like fizzles.

1093
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.480
As great as and as much fun as the rest

1094
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.239
of the movie is, the ending's just kind of like

1095
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:19.840
and we're done.

1096
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:24.920
Yeah. I never quite understood why these little machines required

1097
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.880
police officers when it seems like you can just call

1098
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.440
a mechanic and the robots being so small it was.

1099
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:32.679
Hard all have an off switch.

1100
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.760
Like yeah, I mean, so it was you know, it's

1101
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.519
good seeing the tent. It was more The reason I

1102
00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:42.440
enjoy this movie has a list to do with science

1103
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:44.119
fiction and more to do with just being like an

1104
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.679
action cop kind of movie. And it's good, you know,

1105
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:52.920
you know that part's good, but it's it just doesn't

1106
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.119
crank up very high for me, especially when you compare

1107
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:56.800
it to some of the other big movies that were

1108
00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:59.440
coming at around the time. So I'm a little bit underwhelmed,

1109
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.639
But I do put it in a guilty pleasure category.

1110
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:04.800
If I'm gonna recommend it, I'm recommending it with an

1111
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:05.440
asterisk by it.

1112
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.199
Yeah. I feel the same way.

1113
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.639
I would put this with one of those movies where

1114
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:17.119
I say, like, okay, we're doing all we're doing a

1115
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.679
robot weekend, you know, like what's out of the box

1116
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:22.679
that we can watch because we've already watched Terminair like

1117
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:27.079
twenty times, or putting it with something like Dreamscape, which

1118
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:29.079
is a.

1119
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.679
Great fun movie, but like neither one are like the

1120
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:33.599
highest of the high qualities, you know.

1121
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:35.880
So it's like, well, these are two fun kind of scary,

1122
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:38.840
you know, double feature kind of thing.

1123
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.519
So see, we're back on track. We're we like minded again.

1124
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:44.880
All right, we brought it back around.

1125
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:49.119
Okay, all right, listeners, What did you think of Runaway?

1126
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:51.880
Have you seen it? Is it a guilty pleasure?

1127
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:53.440
Does it have fun memories?

1128
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.519
Did you watch it and say, wow, that's not the

1129
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.880
movie I watched when I was ten?

1130
01:00:57.800 --> 01:00:58.599
Or did we get it wrong?

1131
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:00.679
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1132
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.559
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1139
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:28.960
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1140
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:29.800
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1141
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:31.480
I had a great time.

1142
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:34.039
Well, thank you very much for having me. It's always

1143
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.719
a joy to come on a film Biden, no matter

1144
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:39.480
who's hosting, even if it's Jeff. You know, even if

1145
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:40.480
it's Jeff, it.

1146
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.559
Doesn't understand the greatness of nineteen eighty four. Well, we're

1147
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.159
gonna wame over one movie at a time.

1148
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:48.440
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the sixties, comparing the discographies of the Beatles and the

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