Patreon Sneak Peek - 1986: The Delta Force

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2:34 welcome back to nineteen eighty six. It was the limited series from a film by podcast And if you're listening to this, first and foremost, we will say thank you because this is exclusive for the Patreon. I am Jeff Johnson, joined by Brad Kozo. That's right. Well, listen, there are troubles in the skies with a may I can travelways flight two eight to two. So we're calling the Delta Force. This is a high jack out. When there is no hope, no chance, no possibility of escape. The Delta Force gets the word fits a gulf. Take them down.

3:17 They're not after adventure or glory. They're fighting to save American lives. You take one of us, you better take us off. Chuck Norris Lee Marvin. The Delta Force rated R, starts Friday, February fourteenth. At theaters everywhere. Brad, Let's talk first impression. When I say the title The Delta Force. I mean movies for guys who like movies, you know. Yeah, I mean i'd say this is more widespread Chuck Norris. It's you know a little bit bigger. But you know, I remember bringing that, you know, ca and in big giant box home, you know, when you rented it. At some places you get to keep the box too, of the Delta Force with you know, Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris right on the cover, you know, oozy in hand.

4:13 I gotta think you like me. Were very fortunate that our dad's enjoyed Chuck Norris movies. Oh yeah, you know, he had some amazing ones before in nineteen eighty six. So yeah, bringing this home from the video store, The Delta Force, this movie was awesome, I mean absolutely awesome. The thing is, it's a fun movie, and it's actually when you the story and the plot itself is a very very good story and plot, you know, as far as because even it's hard to kind of put this movie as a Chuck Norris movie because there's a lot going on that isn't just Chuck Norris based. And so I liked, you know, so that this time around, I haven't seen this movie in years, that it felt more like an ensemble movie.

5:06 Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right, And I'm gonna jump into the PSA here because you know, you said some things that kind of bring it right to the front line here. It is a great story, but that's that's because it's based off of two events that that happened. And pretty accurately, too. Pretty accurately. So today's PSA, Brad brought to you. This is based loosely off of the June fourteenth, nineteen eighty five hijacking of TWA Flight eight four seven, and in addition to that, the movie was originally to be produced with the cooperation of Delta Force's real life founder and original commanding officer, Colonel Charles Beckwith. The producers wanted to tell the story of Operation Eagle Claw, the failed attempt to rescue the American hostages from Iran in nineteen seventy nine, but they wanted to change the story so that the Delta Force completed the mission successfully. This did not bode well with Colonel Beckwith he left the project in disgust, So a couple rewrites later and we get this incredible movie. Now, Brad, I gotta believe that there's probably a few people that have if they've seen some of Chuck Norris's awesome stuff, they might have missed the Delta Force. So what I'm going to ask you to do. Put down your UZI

6:37 for just one second and pick up the VHS. Flip it over, give us a reading. What is the Delta Force all about? Swift and silent assault is their trade. Total mastery of command, of warfare is their skill. They are America's elite strike team. They are the Delta Force and they are led by Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin into the ultimate battle for freedom. In this explosive action epic, a fanatic band of ruthless terrorists hijacks a commercial jetliner full of American passengers landing in a war torn Beirut. The hijackers in prison their brutalized hostages and two heavily defended strongholds while the world waits at their mercy. But for the Delta Force, waiting time is over. Armed with the latest technology and combat weaponry, the small anti terrorist squad strikes with awesome force of a full scale army for Americas being held hostage by a legion of political criminals, and that means full scale war with an all star cast, the Delta Force offers high impact. Nice, I guess so, I mean, yeah, I guess so, you know, I would I would say that's accurate, would you, Yeah, But it sounds more like it's you know, it's the movie is actually a little bit more serious, you know, than just being kind of a eighties action film.

7:58 You know, the first half this movie is scary. It is it. You know, when when you're a kid watching it like we were when we were like ten or eleven, I don't think the fear registered because it was just an action movie, right and we were waiting for Chuck Norris to just start kicking people in the face. But watching this as an adult, this is an absolutely terrifying movie, especially when you consider it's based off of real life events, right. Yeah, I mean anything that's happened in the last you know, thirty years and stuff. It's like, oh, you know, that's that's creepy. You know. We talked a little bit about that when we did twelve monkeys, But I mean, yeah, the story itself. I wanted to ask you, do you think this film could have worked without Chuck Norris.

8:47 In nineteen eighty six? In nineteen eighty six but a different star. Well, let's be honest, this is an all star cast. I know we're talking about a Cannon movie. A goal on globis production, Globus. But while you're out there that's easy to pronounce Menehem Golin and you're on globis the Cannon by. Yeah, the Cannon guys. I think I think if you took if you took this, if you took this story, Cannon couldn't have done it with a with a different actor. And if you take it away from Cannon to get a different actor, it's not an action film at all.

9:30 I think at that point it becomes a dramatic thriller at ghost. So you did you have thoughts on who you'd see in nineteen eighty six plane? I mean, just I mean trying to think of who was big at that time. I mean, the only people that it probably could have worked for was maybe Stallone or Schwarzenegger, you know, Van dam maybe, But you know that's kind of it, you know, it was just kind of these guys, you know, and those were you of your choices of action stars those days. Yeah, I just I don't think it would have worked. I really don't. Uh, you know, you you know we've we've already talked about Chuck Norris. You know I mentioned the All Star cast. Think about this, Brad, because we've got some some Oscar winners in this cast. Yeah, okay, I mean working with Chuck Norris, you got Lee Marvin, Martin Balsom, you got Robert Forster, George Kennedy, Lady Kazan, you got Bo Benderson, you got you got Robert Vaughan.

10:32 And obviously we can't forget, uh, the incredible Shelley Winters, who who takes it to eleven in this. Every every film that I've seen of hers, every film that Shelley Winters has been in, Posidon Adventure, Lolita, this, I mean, every time I've seen her, she's always just you know, full on eleven. And I won't get away from the cast without without uh giving some love to to Steve James, who he was a he was the that guy. He was the that guy for eighties action movies because he was always like the partner or the right hand man of the hero. Yeah, you know, he's.

11:14 Always every time he goes around the corner, or they showed him every time he knew he was on camera. He would always have a great face of got the ouzy up in the air, and he's very very intense looking, you know. Yeah, Delta two set, you know, he's very out there. Yeah. Movie starts, Brad. It opens in nineteen eighty. Uh, there's a failed hostage rescue taking place in Tehran. I think this is where they kind of based the uh, the operation, the Operation Eagle Claw. Yeah. No, but Chuck, who is legendary obviously. Yeah, and mustache and short hair.

11:54 Yeah. Then they're like, hey, we're you know, plane's about to blow up. Hey, where's Pete. He's stuck. We couldn't get to him. Don't worry. Like three guys couldn't get to this guy. So Chuck, Chuck Norris is gonna go in. He deadlifts a jeep yes to get to the guy. And all the while Lee Marvin's like, we can't wait for him, and they're like, but he's right there, you know, yeah, Lee Marvin. This and then this is sadly, this is Lee Marvin's last movie. Yeah, yeah, uh but you wouldn't. You couldn't tell. I mean, he's playing the leader of the Delta Force, and you know he is a commanding presence uh pun intended in this film.

12:38 And he's not sitting around and like just standing the whole movie. You know, he's out there with them. Yeah. Well, you know one of the covers, he actually has a bazuka one of the which he never used. He never uses it, but just seeing Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris next to each other with the. Bazooka each was, as I recall, Chuck Norris is the only one that uses a bazukah and Lee Marvin yells at him for doing He's like, put that thing down. Come on, yeah, you know, cut down her, get down here. You mentioned Lee Marvin's not sitting around. I will point out there's one moment where he is sitting around and full credit to leave Marvin because he is in a bar drinking some whiskey, flirting with the bartender who's got to be like, what thirty years younger than him at least. Yeah, and he's pulling it off. You know, he's like, you got great legs. She's like, yeah, you can't see him.

13:25 He's like, I'm just being a nice Yeah, he's putting it out there. I love it, Brad. One of your favorite performances in this film. I know because we've talked about this movie for decades. Let's talk about Robert Forrester playing the head hijacker Abdula Refi. He is the leader of the New World Revolution. He should be. I didn't know this was Robert Forrester until years later. Well, you know, he should be the leader of fashion Week because when he walks in on the scene at the airport, he's got the white suit with the white shoes that he clearly got from cousin Eddie.

14:09 Yeah. I mean, he is rocking this ensemble like nobody's business. But to be serious, you said it. I just never knew that this was Robert Forster growing up. I didn't know it until I was an adult because he plays this character so well, and this is this isn't something you're going to see Hollywood do nowadays, where you know a white a white actor is gonna play someone you know, Middle Eastern, right. I just assumed he was Middle Eastern, you know, until I think the first time I took notice of him as Robert Forster might have been Jackie Brown. Maybe maybe I was like, I was like, wait, that's that's a dual refy. Yes, And you find out like, yeah, he actually showed up this movie. This whole thing is shot on location in Israel. Turns out he shows up several weeks early to work with a dialect coach just so he can get the the voice.

14:58 Right, you're good, I mean it came up. And man, he likes to smack people around with that gun. I'll tell you one time he smacks one of those people with the gun, it looks like it hurts. I mean, the sound effect is just perfect. If you've ever held a forty five or a night millimeter in your hand and you know the weight of it, and you think about someone backhanding you with that, you're not getting back up right away. So and he does it quite a bit. I think, Yeah, I absolutely love him. Uh, let's talk about some of these hostages. Brad Martin Martin Balsom playing benjamincaplan. He's uh, he's married to me at your service, married to the the very high strung erratic Shelley Winters.

15:47 Yes, who. You know? I mean, right, at the get go the hijackers is like, don't provoke us, and she is going out of her way. Yes, I won't do it. I won't do it. You want to go die someplace house? Yes? Yeah, I'm just like it's mouth and off, like right away, right away. She's mouth and off. It's like someone someone put a lid on Shelley Winters before she gets us all killed. I absolutely love George Kennedy in this as he is. Isn't he so amazing in this? Yeah? He's just yeah, I just love him. And can we just talk about for a second the hot sister, The hot sister, the hot nun by Kim Delaney. That isn't the hottest nun I've ever seen seen.

16:37 I can't believe you're saying hot none, But I mean, to be fair, Kim Delaney is a very very attractive actress, very beautiful woman. And yeah, like and she had to be what like twenty in this movie nineteen. Yeah, you know, you're like, you're you're gonna be a nun? Come on, you know, come on, you're gonna be probably not after this, you know, I think this. Is like I'm not wasting my time with that. Yeah. Well, here's the other thing too, because Kim Delaney does play a nun. Think about this plane for a second. It's filled with nuns, small children, a pregnant woman, like every possible dangerous scenario you can have on a plane.

17:20 Everyone decided to get on this plane, you know. Yeah, and for a few of them, Mustafa has got a little bit of a softy for you. Yeah, for the pregnant lady, you're feel good. Yeah, I love that when helps out. But then he just turns around and it's just like a I'm like, you know what, maybe I like Mustafa And then he goes crazy and then he goes back and he's like, you know, I have a daughter, do you understand. Yeah, I'm like, I was like, I don't know what to think about. Mustafa is bad. Well, well he's a very bad guy. He hijacks a plane, you know. But but think about this for a second because again, clearly he's playing you know, because like they never really land on who Mustafa and Abdul where they come from? Right, They're just they're Middle Eastern terrorists. This is a this is a cliche of cannon films where they're just they're Middle Eastern terrorists.

18:10 Right, they're delivering it. They're delivering them. They want to deliver the hostages to the Ayatola. Yeah, but at any rate, you know they're they're they're evil people. They're bad guys. But to your to your credit, Mustafa that guy, I don't think he gets any credit in this movie for his performance because he has the scariest stare I've ever seen any actor have. Like he like the crazy eye thing that he does. He's terrifying looking. But then he has these moments where he is he shows a soft side, like he helps the pregnant woman get a little more comfortable with some pillows and cushions. Uh, the scene where the little girl comes running back for a cabbage patch kid. Yeah, and he has that moment with her and that that that quick exchange for a for like a split second, You're like, this guy he wasn't always a bad guy, you know. Yeah, he he was a loving father, you know. And he said he had a daughter, so you have to assume, you know, she probably was was murdered, you know, killed in a in an attack and a bombing something. So yeah, you're right, like as an adult, like you kind of you're on the fence. Like, is he really that bad of a guy?

19:24 He is? I mean, I'm gonna go ahead, Yeah, he's a bad guy. Uh, you know, especially when he's kicking the shit out of a one of the Navy hospitals, Davy. That's right, that that did happen again. You said this is a scary film, and yeah, I think it's it's easy for us to just say, oh, it's a cannon movie, so guns and explosions and one liners, but they're using real, you know, real events to tell this story, and uh, that makes it frightening. That makes it sad as far as I'm concerned, you know, because we're gonna have fun with this. You know, there's there's some stuff I'm like what what are we what? What are you doing? But then other other times you're like, uh man, And it's almost like Alan Silvestri's score tells you when it's okay too to have a little bit of levity, to feel like, yeah, go America.

20:16 Got two songs? Yes, well the one the one piece of music he does, especially during the selection process when the yeah, the yeah that that that that sad music he plays it. They use it when the the flight attendant ingrid she has to find out who the Jewish passengers are. Very sad moment, you know, it's and they kind of revisit it later when one of the one of the members of the Delta Force gets killed. But then that music brad the main theme which is played. From the beginning of the film to the end of the film. So if you don't like this theme, do. Not watch this movie.

20:57 But if you can handle the theme, it's a lot. How it stuck in my head now, I mean, how. Do you not like this theme? This is the most kick ass America I'm saying. If you don't, yeah, no, that's that's all said. I think it's It just makes me smile because that's kind of the real cannon even when I call it part of the movie or the maybe the last half of it, when it actually the action picks up. But you know, they don't use Usually those cannon films don't have a lot of bad stuff with the the stuff they do with like inger and and stuff like that. This is a little bit longer film than most of those films. You know, they're straight up hour and a half action films. You know, this is over two hours because they put a lot of story into it and and for some reason, it's five point fifty am a lot.

21:48 Do you notice that? Well, wherever they are, it's five point fifty am. I get that, you know, the plane is over somewhere over over in Europe, somewhere, you know, in that air. And I also get that we're jumping back to America. So there's a time difference. But I want to point out my favorite time difference since you brought it up. Yeah, two two forty five a m. In the morning. Okay, Chuck Norris is at his ranch because he retired after the failed mission in nineteen eighty. He retires, you know. He tells Lee Marvin on the plane. He's like, find the hell when they listen, Neck, We told him it's too dangerous to launch. This operation at night. They thought their planning was better.

22:30 I spent five years in Vietnam watching them doing the planning, and that's to die. Well, I'm resigning when I get back. Okay, it's two forty five in the morning. He's in he's in it. He's at his ranch. You see horse stalls in the background. He's got the TV on talking about the hostage crisis. He's eating scrambled eggs, and drinking. Yeah, I was gonna ask you, is that scrambled eggs and a Budweiser. Yeah. If that's not the most Chuck Norris meal I've ever seen? Could can you not sleep at two forty five in the morning. You're just like, I'm gonna have some scrambled eggs and Budweiser. That's great. I love it.

23:12 I immediately was, Uh. When I was watching this recently, I was I was a little bummed that it was it was the afternoon and I had missed breakfast because I was like, I want to I want to make some scrabbled eggs and crack you open a cold one. Yes, this is how Chuck would do it, right. Oh, man, Brad, let's talk about Delta Force a little bit load nop, you know, because Lee Marvin's like, you know, they get he gets the call. Robert Vaughan is some kind of Pentagon official. He calls Lee Marvin says, Delta Force. It's a go. They're gearing up right, and they're are they're load, they're they're they're riding these these cool ass uh black motorcycles with the blue headlights into the carrier. Brad, how bad did you want one of those motorcycles when we were little.

24:00 I wanted one of those, plus the kind of the ATV vehicle. You know. Yeah, this movie was very Gi Joe. I feel related. This movie is very Gi Joe. This movie is what Gi Joe could have been and should have been. They should have looked at Delta Force and said, okay, just give them some cool costumes. And this is the template that bike though, Brad. Fun fact, that is the the nineteen eighty five Suzuki SP six hundred motorcycle. It was designed by Suzuki specifically for this film, and after modifying it and adding the weaponry, Suzuki America gave the bike to Gold Globus production in Israel prior to filming. So if you're in the market, Brad, hit your nears Suzuki dealer, just ask them for the Delta Force bike.

24:49 I guess two missiles in the front, two in the pipe in the back. You're probably going to pay a lot more to get that. Those options, those add ons that I don't think that comes stock. So yeah, well I don't want it if it doesn't come with that, well. I was just fine with the blue headlights. But you know, you raise a good point. The machine guns on the front, the missiles, and that the back missiles. Gotta love it. Something else about that that uh, that scene, you know they're ready, everyone's ready to go, depending on. Guys are looking at Lee Marvin like what's the hold up? And he was like, I'll give him five more minutes? What And then Chuck Norris does the most Chuck Norrise thing. He just drives in too into the hangar in his his Ford Bronco. Yeah, in his his denim shirt, his jeans.

25:36 You know, he's grown out, he's grown out. The hair he's got, he's got the Chuck no nurse mullet. The beard is back. You know, I'm gonna Pete. Yeah, I'm gonna throw another fun thing. He is back with Pete because he does about to carry Pete's ass time at this time. Right. Another fun thing though that that that uh, that letter that Lee Marvin hands him. Says, I thought I was gonna have to use this, and Chuck's like, what is this? Lee Marvin says, it's a presidential decree ordering you back to service. And you know, I thought, there's no possible way that's a real thing. So Brad I had to I had to. I had to research it. Okay. I actually talked with a friend of mine, retired marine, and I asked him straight up. I was like, is this is it possible that, uh, you know, this could ever happen?

26:30 And this is what he responded with. He said, that would be pretty rare. But short answer is yes. Uh. The reasons though, are would be pretty desperate. Either the country was at war and we were we ran out of whatever rank that that person had, or they had to face charges in a court martial. It's it's an extremely rare occurrence, obviously, but there is such thing. You know the president. You know, if you're Brad, if you're in the Delta Force and you retire, you know the president Lee Marvin Can asked the resident to call you back and you have to go. So well, I think the president should have a piece of paper ordering Chuck Norris too active duty if an all out war breaks out, because I want to be on Chuck Norris's side, I absolutely agree with you. There should be one already just printed out, printed out and just ready for his signature, which he'll just crumble up and throw in his bronco.

27:24 Yeah, because he Chuck Chuck would show up anyways. Oh yeah, he'd show up, you know, and the only reason that he's gonna be late is because he was eating his scrambled eggs and drinking his Budweiser. That's how I look at it. Let's go back to Brad. Let's talk another you know, we've been talking about how the movie is scary. You mentioned the the the Navy hostage who you know, gets beaten, based off a real thing. I gotta tell you, watching this movie recently, the scene where you know, they beat on him, and then the scene where they shoot him and he falls out of the plane, that is that's hard to watch. It is, especially for this type of film. You know, it's a little I don't know if it's too close to home. But even at the time, even at the time, I remember being like, ah, you know, that was kind of creepy, you know, so it seemed very realistic, you know. Yeah, and as they just basically had to stand there and watch, they couldn't do anything. They're just like, we just got to watch this.

28:27 Yeah, I mean that that's that's what actually happened in real life. Yeah. I think it was very gutsy for for for Cannon to even have that, you know, that scene, I don't know. I think maybe maybe it crosses the line, honestly, you know, but but it does. It does ground the film in reality, though, Yeah, it does. Yeah for a little while. Well what doesn't ground the film in reality? Let's talk so moving moving forward. You know, I've failed rescue attempt, the hostages get moved off the plane. Now we're in Beirute. So now the Delta forest gets to you know, it's like a land attack. Let's just jump to the final fight between Chuck Norris and Robert Forster in that house, not one but two window crashes. Chuck crashes through the window twice to get the Forester.

29:26 Yeah, it is the end of missing action too almost to it. Yeah, he goes in, reats him up, and it eventually wins by blowing him up. Yeah he yeah, because like you know, like as soon as he crashes his motorcycle through the window and magically has a chance to you know, keep it up right hit the kickstand. I just feel bad for Robert Forster at that point because, like, you know, he's about to get the shit kicked out of him. Oh it's Chuck Norris, you know, and Chuck you know that's and this is where you've been waiting for it the whole movie. This is this is a cannon move, Chuck Norris. You've been waiting for him to kick someone in the face.

30:10 Yeah, I mean it hasn't happened except you know, just a little bit in the movie. You know, like you don't really get to see him go full Chuck until like you know, we haven't seen any martial arts skills. No, we were waiting for this moment and you know, like Robert Forster doesn't have a shot, but uh, but yeah, I love the fact that he he uses the windows quite well in this movie to really sell the fight. And then that bike, you know, like he's wait, Chuck's gonna drive away, He's gonna leave him. Nope, guess what the bike? Yeah, it has rockets at fire from the front, but it also has rockets at fire. From the back. You know that got a huge applause when it came out.

30:53 How does it not? Yeah? Does it not? And then Chuck is not done with his bike, like uh he pulls some uh some early Ethan Hunt Tom Cruise style stuff because the plane's taken off again. He's late, you know, Colonel what about major where he's late. I gotta you know, he had a chill, He had his. Chance, right, he was busy driving in the sunset. If you notice the sunrise he was. We had to get a great silhouette, you know, kind of driving moment of Oh yeah, him silhouetted under that. I love. This is another chance for Steve James though, to dramatically Colonel what's the major? You know some major? Okay, we can't slow down the plane, so just throw a rope out Chuck Norris, who's pretty busy at this point.

31:43 Did you know somebody wheelies? He's popping on this. Bike while standing up and while is sitting here watching the movie. Okay, So when they first arrived and like like the final like action singings where all the team lines up, I'm like, damn, man, these guys got a lot of rope. Every one of them's got rope. Me use that rope, you know, find we need the rope. Every one of them's got rope. There should be no one there going I don't have my rope. Every single one of them had rope. Yeah, Lee, Marbin's like throw a rope down to him, like you should be falling over each other to throw the rope because everyone everyone has a spool of rope on him. Yeah, but still a pretty kick ass moment, especially in eighty six Chucks standing up on a motorcycle popping wheelies to reach the rope and then you know, catches it, grabs it, gets in the plane, and the plane takes off. Yeah. Pretty awesome, I think.

32:33 And then you've got both fencing as the captain of the airplane doing another hammet. I mean that guy's lines are so like, we're coming in whether you like it or not. Yeah, Like the control towers like, what are you doing? You can't you can't take off? He's like, he's. Yeah, there they're beating an American boy and they're killing him. Yeah. He's a very big ham in this movie. I love it. I love him in this movie. Uh, I'll tell you what. I also love the fact that all the all the gear and equipment that the Delta Force travels with, they did not forget several cases of Budweiser.

33:19 Yes, make sure you have the Budweiser for the flight. Hey, the planes, planes take it off. We've rescued the hostages. We're all going home. Let's actually they're not all going home. Well they're not all. You know, Pete didn't make it right. Yeah, So okay, so we're gonna save Pete at the very beginning of the film, Yeah, just losing him at the end. He's like, I don't have to carry your ass out here again. Well he had to. Well he had to do it again, you know. I guess that's the you know, like, hey, we you know, it's it's almost like, do we get to win this time? Because they it was a failed mission in nineteen eighty now they're back in eighty six. You know you got to there's gotta be a trade off. Yeah, you succeed this time, but at what cost it costs you? It costs Pete's life, Yeah, which is uh, you know, it brings back Alan Silvestri's sad score.

34:09 Yeah, but before we go into the to the big to the to the big finale, great score. Yeah, but you know what I love, Uh, there's that tight shot of like once once we realize that Pete's dead, you know, follow Malley's doing a doing a prayer for him, Chuck sits down and there's that tight shot of Chuck's face and for a split second you're like, here comes the very macho single tear rolling down the cheek, but it's. Chuck Norris, So that's Chuck Norris doesn't cry. Chuck Norris doesn't cry. Yeah, great dramatic moment for Chuck. But if you're if you're expecting the tears, that you're you're watching the wrong movie. Here's the thing about Chuck Norris. There are certain types of actors Schwarzenegger, Chuck Norris, where you know, John Wayne, where they were playing the kind of person that we want to see them play this character that they've developed, and this is the same thing. You know, this is the kind of film that Chuck Norris does. You know, he never tried to say, oh, I don't do these types of films, you know, he was like that. Charles Bronson was like that for a while, Clinton Eastwood, you know, so they developed that. So I feel this film is one of the only films that isn't riding totally on him.

35:31 I would agree with that because because, yeah, I mean, it's a Chuck Norris movie. But at the same time, he is not saving the day by himself. He's not known as sale handily no, you know, and he's surrounded by an amazing cast, you know, the other guys that make up the Delta Force, and more importantly, again it's a cannon movie and the action really doesn't happen till the very end. Yeah, because this is a very dramatic thriller. For like, what the first thirty forty minutes of this or we're just with the hostages. It's terrifying then. So yeah, you don't really get to take a breath till they're doing their little training exercises. We're Americans, get down, Yeah, we're Americans.

36:14 Well, before we get to our training exercises, Brad, let's crack open a bud whuzzer and do the eighty six breakdown. So I got something fun for you. We've always, you know, when the series was was what's going on? We always always, we always ask the question, is this the best movie of nineteen eighty six? Now you and I both know this isn't the best movie of nineteen eighty six. So I've got something. I got something to substitute for you here, Brad. All right, happen to have a list of Chuck Norris's Cannon films, the Chuck nor the Chuck Norris era, the Cannon era, for Chuck Norris if you will. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run down this list here and no buticular order, just to get you get your mind fresh here. So we've been talking. We've been talking about Delta Force. We've also got hell Bound, The hit Man, okay, one of my favorites, Hero and the Terror from nineteen eighty eight, fire Walker from the same year, nineteen eighty six, which we did we did cover with Scott and Dave, Delta Force two, The Colombian Connection with Billy Drago playing the bad guy obviously, the Missing in Action Trilogy Missing Action Missing Action to the beginning and then Missing in Action Braddock, and then lastly Invasion USA. Brad, I'm gonna

37:44 ask you, is the Delta Force the best canon era Chuck Norris movie? Yes, yes, as it is a lot of those titles that you that you named off didn't get a really theatrical release. They kind of went straight to video. This is one of the ones where they actually threw it into theater, you know, gave him a little bit more power, you know. Not a bad job directing by Menehem Golan, No, you know he did, you know, entered the what was it entered the Ninja and you know something else like very similar, but yeah, you know there was some actual, you know, power behind this one that with like satisfaction with not just the same audience it.

38:34 You know, I'm surprised. You know, for for a minute, I just assumed that you were gonna say, uh, missing an Action to the beginning or maybe even a Vason USA, because I think those two have got to be in the conversation, because those those two with the Delta Force are the top three for the canon era for Chuck Norris. I like Missing an Action too is more of a I feel a good Chuck Norris action film. This is like the Chuck Norris big budget film. Okay, Okay, I like that Brad Let's Talk prequel sequel remake. So, Brad, we already know that Delta Force has spawned two sequels, right what A lot of people don't know. Initially we were gonna get Delta Force two starring Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin, and then sadly Lee Marvin had passed away.

39:28 The movie kind of got bumped around. At one point we had Steve James teaming up with Michael Dudikov. To do Delta Force two, which you know they were having such a good time on the American Ninja franchise. Yeah, let's see him do Delta Force. That didn't happen. And then finally the script bounces back and it becomes the Columbian connection. So and then they did a Delta Force three, The Killing Game, which I have to believe that went straight to it even in it. Uh no, I don't think. So I want to say, let me hold on, you know what I'm gonna look for you here real quick.

40:09 Chuck Norris was replaced with Nick Cassavetti's but his brother Aaron Norris was in it, So there you have it. I'm sorry, Eric, No, Mike Norris is that. I don't even know if that's any relation, but it's good. Check you don't Chuck, No, Chuck, you don't get my viewing. All right? So, Brad, prequel, sequel, remake? What would you do with this franchise? Remake? And I've got your two main stars maybe a third. Okay, so the correct answer is remake. And now I want to hear who you got in this. As the Lee Marvin Nick character, Jeff Bridges.

40:50 I like it. Now, wait, hold on wait, wait one one second. Though. Marvin was sixty one when he did this, and critics were saying that he was too old to play a a colonel in The Delta Force, which they were wrong, because he's awesome. He's Lee Marvin. Yeah, so him Bridges pull it off at his age because he's like seventy. I think, sure, he's the Dudude, he's the dude. Okay, you sold me dude, all right, So you got the dude playing playing Lee Marvin's character. Okay. And for the Chuck Norris part, Joel Edgerton. Okay. Uh.

41:31 And he re teams with director Catherine Bigelow from Zero zero Dark thirty and Catherine Bigelow directs The Delta Force. So you're going full You're going big budget Hollywood, big budget, take all you taking all the cheese out of it. You gotta be with I said when we did our Catherine Bigelow episode that I wanted her to do one more war film. It's like a trilogy with her Locker zero Dark thirty. This could be her her trilogy remade with the kind of the same story premise but not counting on one major start two two kind of deliver it.

42:11 Very very interesting. And I think certain parts like the like the priest in Israel or I think that part could be maybe hyped up a little bit, be a little bit more interesting and a little bit more screen time and stuff. But and yeah, that's what I. Got for you. Any thoughts on who you would have as the main villain the Abdull Refine and the New World Revolution? Hm? Hm, That one would be a tricky one, it would be. I I know, no one comes to mind, because you immediately come to mind right now? All right, all right? What comes to mind? For the Nintendo face off? Brad? I've asked you this so many times. Which character from the movie would you invite over to play the original es with? And more importantly, what game.

42:58 Father o Malley, because he's just looks like he's a fall he just looks like he's so much nice, so nice. That's such a good guy. Yeah, just you know, we played like something like, you know, like a basic Super Mario Brothers and maybe like a little tennis game, you know, a little uh what was the I think it was Nintendo Tennis. Yeah, just just the basis friendly game between me and the father, I know, and he tells me a little bit about uh sister ROBERTA. Oh okay, so I see what you're doing now, and now I understand your A. Uh, I'm I'm I'm gonna tell you the perfect answer if you know this is for Nintendo, Brad. So uh, there was a Chuck Norris video game for Calico Vision if you remember, it was like the the weird it was. It was before Nintendo around the same time, but it kind of got phased out Chuck Norris Superkicks, but that was for Clicko that was nice, so it doesn't count. So another I'm gonna I'm gonna put another one out for you. The Super Nintendo had a game called Operation Thunderbolt, which was based which was based off of this movie so much so that final level when you have to save the pilot, they made the pilot look like Bo Svenson, Really Svenson. Sorry, yeah, but that's Super Nintendo. So because we were gonna be

44:31 strictly Nintendo here, Brad, I think the I think the go to answer for me is gonna be I'm calling up Scott McCoy aka Chuck Norris and we're gonna play Karate Champ. Yeah, Karate. I was just thinking he will beat me, he will defeat me because's Chuck Norris. But okay, so the movie ends that, you know, the Delta Force theme goes up, A giant Delta Force logo comes up. Yep, and you're hearing throughout the whole movie McCay, mccare macar, major McCoy, Captain McCoy under credits Chuck Norris, Scott Scott, Scott McCoy should just say McCoy. But through the whole movie he's being called McCoy. No one ever, I don't think anybody calls him Scott the entire film, and then it pops up when the credits Chuck Norris, Scott Scott. No one ever calls him Scott.

45:23 He's McCoy. I noticed that because, like, you can't not notice the cool big logo of the Delta Force, the way the font is, it just looks cool. Yeah, and you I want it on a T shirt. Yeah, and it had to. We had to see one more time. This is a Goldham globe. Yeah, that man was gonna hold himself one more time. Yes, Yeah, you're right, he's never called Oh wait, I take that back, he's met Pete on his deathbed. Does say you know, he's like, are we going home? Major? Are we going home? Boss? And Chuck Norris is like, yeah, we're going home. And then he says, I'll see you there, Scott, I see you know.

46:05 He says, I'll see you when I see you. He does say i'll see it, but he says, I'll see you there're Scott. I have to because I thought I promise you. Because it's the only time where one of his guys uh kind of you know, disrespects the rank and doesn't call him by his rank or by his by his last name. Because Chuck Norris does the same thing at the beginning when he calls uh Lee Marvin's character Nick. You know, he's like, what, they're all buddies, yeah, you know, but at this point Pete is like the new old buddy. And I don't like Chuck Norris with two names, you know, Braddock McCoy. You know, you can throw a colonel or a major or whatever rank in there, but one name, one name for Chuck and get it right in the credits, Like just call get it right into credits because people are.

46:55 Like, god, yeah, I was like, wait, did I miss something, Scott? YEA, all right, Well, Brad Look, I want to thank you for for jumping in, for jumping back to nineteen eighty six. Look, we talked about this, uh someone it was pointed out like, you guys, you did sixty six episodes of a of a series called nineteen eighty six. Why couldn't you just done twenty more? I was like, well, you know, when you run out of time, you run out of time. But now, thanks to Patreon, we're we're trying to hit that mark, right, Brad? So yeah, I mean yeah, I mean we had to throw Witchboard in there somehow.

47:37 So are you even on the Patreon You're gonna you're gonna take digs at witchboard? You gotta let that go, man, come on. Awful, it was awesomely awful, like like it's because it's awesome, Like all right, I can't get into that debate with you again, but uh, Brad, hopefully you were going to jump back to eighty six one or one or a few more times as we as we do these for these special episodes for Patreon, we can we can count on you for that, right absolutely major. Al Right, well you bring the scrambled eggs, I'll bring the bud Wiser. How's that all right, let's head the babe route. We'll get. We'll see you guys next time.