April 10, 2024
Patreon Sneak Preview - At Close Range

When we finished our limited "1986" series that covered 66 movies from the best cinematic year of the 80s, one listener pointed out that we should have done 86 for "1986!" We agreed, and so began the run of "lost '86" episodes on our Patreon.
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Hello Patreon subscribers, and welcome back
to nineteen eighty six. It was a
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limited series on a film buy,
and it is currently enjoying its renaissance here
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on Patreon. As always, if
you like what you hear, just keep
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subscribing. I will say it's been
a while since he's joined me in nineteen
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eighty six. These days, he's
spending plenty of time in nineteen seventy nine
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as well as on the bridge of
the Enterprise. Welcome back, David.
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So this is what nineteen eighty six
looks like. I've kind of forgot.
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It's good. It's good to be
back. Yeah, this is this is
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the first time we've had you on
the Patreon the lost episodes of nineteen eighty
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six as we've been calling them.
Yeah, I'm happy to be here,
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man, I'm happy to have you
back. I'm feeling out that you missed
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out. Yeah, We've had some
We've had some fun ones, you know.
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I'm glad. I'm glad that you're
back, and cause, uh we
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I think we got a fun one
today, actually I think so. Listeners,
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crack open a Cult forty five and
join us as we talk about the
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crime drama at close range and is
there a big Brad? Who is he?
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He's my father, a man too
dangerous to get close to, a
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boy too dazzled to break away.
Sean Patt, He is Brad Whitewood Jr.
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Yeah, family, good Dad,
I love you? Is that what
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you want to hear? Sean Penn
Christopher walking like father, like Son,
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Like hell at Close Range featuring Madonna's
hit song Live to Tell. So,
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Dave, we always start off with
first impressions. M I know we were
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talking about this one you had.
This is the first time watched for you.
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It is you were you had some
some uh raw deal witchboard iron eagle
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type concerns, as I recall,
yeah, nothing maybe nothing made me happier
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than when I read this. Uh
this is this is a this is a
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great review for the movie At Close
Range. Well whole I'm quoting here,
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Well, holy shit, that was
a damn good film. David Burns are
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David Burns. That's a that's a
quote from Ardavid Burns. So we don't
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even have to worry about you struggling
with this one. Who enjoyed this one?
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Right? I did? Yeah?
I mean when you told me about
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it and I watched the trailer report, I'm like, I don't know if
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I'm gonna like this one at all, and then then I'm glad to be
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wrong. Jeff, I am glad
to be because this was a pleasant surprise
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of a film. I wasn't It
wasn't too many years past ninety eighty six
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when I first saw this one,
and it would have been on cable.
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My first impression, like when you
when you when I hear that, when
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I think of the title, the
first thing that pops in my mind.
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I have to imagine pops in the
minds of most people. Madonna's Live to
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Tell. Oh, Yeah, absolutely
one of the incredible songs. Aside from
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that, though, Christopher Walkin's mustache. You know, Christopher Walker always has
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that evil look to him. I
mean he can pull it off so well.
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Yeah, man, does he look
evil in this one? Good for
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anyone? You know, when we
think Christopher walking nowadays, we immediately think
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white hair sticking straight up, kind
of kind of ghostly. In this film,
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though, he's he's got this this
quintessential eighties villain mustache. He's kind
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of like a white trash kind of
a oh he's degenerate, look at her.
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Yeah, I mean Yeah, he's
he's definitely on the fringe. And
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yeah, this is a this is
walking like we've never seen it now.
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Yeah, I think even you know, yeah, I think this is this
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is less than ten years after Deer
Hunter. Yep. And that's like that's
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like the baby face Christopher walking,
like when his whole life was ahead of
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him. Here we got Christopher walking
where he's just a little bit uh,
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a little bit worn, a little
more haggard, a little more villainously better
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picked anybody you better to play that
role, I'll tell you that right now,
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which we'll get into a little bit
later too. Well, we'll get
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to it, but first, Dave, as you remember public service announcement,
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So got a fun one for you. And this this is obviously very close
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to the date that this that we're
dropping this episode on Patreon but on March
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twenty sixth. In nineteen eighty six, Madonna releases Live to Tell as the
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first single from her True Blue album. Song goes on to be her third
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number one hit on the Billboard Hot
one hundred and coincidentally, the music video
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was directed by James Foley, who
just so happened to direct this film.
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How about that for a public service
announcement. That is fantastic. Man,
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what a great connection to this movie. It's got Yeah, I'll tell you.
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I know some people know this as
the Sean Penn Madonna left the Tel
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movie and they're like, you know, I think I've seen it, but
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I'm not sure. Dave. Let's
grab the VHS tape, Let's flip it
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over. Would you please please read
the back of the box. I would
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be honored to read the back of
the box. Sean Penn an Academy Award
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winner Christopher Walken star as a deadly
father and son combination in At Close Range,
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a fierce film of spellbinding actions.
At Close Range is the true life
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story of one family's bizarre life of
crime. Young Brad Whitewood Junior has finally
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discovered why his father has been missing
for so long. As the head of
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a family operated national crime syndicate,
Brad Senior is a ruthless ringleader and his
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son's newfound idol. Brad Junior and
his brother Tommy form their own gang of
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hudlums to gain their father's respect and
become part of the family business. Instead
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of respect, Brad Senior fears he
is losing control of both the gang and
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his sons. He formulates a plan
to take them out of the picture permanently.
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That's one of these synopsis that you
read on the back of a VHS
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box and then you watch the movie
and you say, hey, that is
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exactly what I was I was expecting
exactly is this is crime drama? Dark
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crime drama? M like like,
I mean, there's so many great examples
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of it, but this one is
one of the better ones from the eighties,
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and it just it pains me.
It pains me, honestly that we
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didn't cover it in our initial run
for nineteen eighty six. I agree with
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that. I'm kind of sad that
we didn't, to be honest with you,
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Yeah, we would have had a
good we would had a good conversation
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or we're gonna have a good conversation
with about it today. But yeah,
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I just feel like this is one
we shouldn't have been asleep on. Yeah,
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honestly, And when you mentioned crime
drama too, it's kind of funny
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that this one takes place like out
in the country, you know, a
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farm land and stuff like that,
something you really don't think about when you
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think of a crime drama, right, No, Well, you know,
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I'm glad that you say that,
because crime drama in like a rural area
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and this movie takes place in Pittsburgh. I'm sorry, where's it at chester
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Chester? Swimmy Swammy Swammy, Samsonite
was off off like Chesterton, Sunton Bucket.
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Don't think I'll I'll just drop that. Chester County, Pennsylvania. What
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is it, Dave, Chester County, chester Chester. It's Chester County,
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Pennsylvania, right, Yep, that's
correct. You saying that though, reminds
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me like when I when I watched
this movie or when I well, when
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I did a rewatch of this movie, it gave me some real wisdom vibes.
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The Wisdom which also came out in
nineteen eighty six. I know,
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Jason Colvin and I covered that one
on Patreon. You know, you see
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Sean Penn and you see Mary Stuart
Masterson and I kind of get that.
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Emilius it is to mean more type
of feel to it. Yeah, I
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could see that. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh. This movie, the title
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card we open up with based on
a true story of nineteen seventy eight,
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and we got to immediately look at
the fact that it is in fact based
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on the actual crimes of a guy
named Bruce Johnston Senior. He's he's kind
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of heading up one of the largest
crime families in Chester, Pennsylvania during the
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sixties and seventies. And in the
end it was his son who did in
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fact testify against him, like we
see Champagne at the end of this movie.
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Yep. Can we I know,
we can't stay too long on this
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book. Can we talk about this? This just huge cast. Oh my
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gosh. Like when I was watching
this movie and I hadn't looked at IMDD
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or anything like that to look at
the cast. I was just watching the
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credits role at the beginning of thing, Oh my gosh, who's not in
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this exactly? You know, in
nineteen eighty six, this was this was
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two maybe three established actors and then
a bunch of people that we had never
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heard of. Right, But when
you watch it now and it's a it's
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on two b uh if you want
to catch it listeners. When you watch
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it now and you see these these
opening credits, you're like that guy and
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that guy and that girl and that
guy. You know, huge cast.
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Let's start with Sean and Chris Pinn
brothers. Yep, they're playing brothers in
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the movie. This is the only
I can't believe this, but this is
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the only time that they ever were
in a movie together, which that amazes
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me with the body. What a
miss what a missed opportunity. Yeah,
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I agree, I don't. I
don't even know how that happens, you
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know, I don't. I don't
know. And it's just if you've seen
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these people's careers and you go back
and see this kind of movie. And
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for me, since this was my
first time watching this, looking how baby
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face these people were, Oh gosh, yeahs could you? I mean,
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let's you talk baby face. Like
Chris Pinn, who we're used to seeing
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is like the larger, brooding,
playing cut guy. Here he is.
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He's young, he's lean, he's
got that long curly hair. Yep,
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and he looks so much like on
Pin in this. Yeah, it's it's
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incredible. I loved I loved what
they did on the screen though. Honestly,
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oh yeah, absolutely, I thought
they did an incredible John And you
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know, they're they are real brothers
in real life, so they didn't have
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to fake that. So when they're
on screen together, you can see the
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chemistry there because they truly are brothers. The chemistry is undeniable. Yeah,
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I love, I love every moment
they show on the screen. Honestly,
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someone who I have to admit I
did not enjoy on the screen every time.
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And it's just because the character is
a total scumback. Let's talk walking
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Christopher walking like you're never gonna see
him before, right, This guy is
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like the scum of the the of
the earth man. He is the dirt
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on the bottom of your boot.
Some of you definitely don't want to hang
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out with, that's for sure,
and some of you definitely want to be
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your father. And well, fortunately, you know, Brad Junior and Tommy
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find that is their father. Yeah. But here's here's the great thing about
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this movie, because I think it's
fair to say that this as much as
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it is a crime like a noir
crime type film, it's definitely a father
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son oh yeah, without a nout
relationship type type of film. You know,
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these these two they've never had a
relationship with their father. They don't
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know why they haven't, and then
he kind of comes back into their life
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and then they realize he's he is
deep into this this crime ring, you
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know, stealing things, and he's
in he's got he's got drugs running.
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He's running drugs, he's doing all
this other stuff, and they idolize him
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immediately, like their poor mother wants
you know, she what can she do?
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Right? I think she can't keep
she can't keep away from him,
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because so, yeah, they're they're
idolizing this guy. They want to hang
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out with this guy. They want
to they want to prove themselves to this
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guy, and he is the worst
kind of guy. But the amazing thing
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about this film and what James Foley
does, the director, I kind of
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feel up myself feeling like like like
the Penn Brothers, like, yeah,
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he's so cool, Like look at
these these muscle cars he's got, he
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hangs out, he looks cool.
I mean, he's he's obviously he's a
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bad he's a bad guy, right, he's he's got he gives up that
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bad boy vibe. But you're kind
of he's he's definitely it's almost spellbinding the
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way he the way he looks at
him and then talks, because he's not
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he doesn't act like the tough guy, right, he's very smooth, very
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persuasive, and he's gonna he's gonna
take the attention of his son immediately.
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No, matter who he is,
because you know, he gives him that
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car. You know, here,
here, take this car. He hands
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him money. You know, that's
why he shows up. You know,
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from the first time that we see
him, he heeds what like three hundred
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bucks or something. Yeah, He's
like, he's like, hey, your
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mom needs some money, Like how
about one hundred, two hundred, three
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hundred Yeah, like it's nothing.
Yeah, I know. Uh. This
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movie obviously does not have any bit
of a comedy to it as far as
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I could find. But I'll tell
you what. Some of these scenes,
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these early scenes when he kind of
shows up in the in that cool ass
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car and kind of motions him to
come along, and the mom is just
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and the grandma are just very disapproving. He definitely gave off like a Reese
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Bobby like taligate taligated nights like Gary
Gary Coleman's character. He's I was like,
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this is Reese Bobby. Yeah,
let's get the car. Let's let's
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go do some crime. Yeah,
he's reesed Bobby. Let's let's call it
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what it is. Dave. I
got to ask you, Christopher Walking is
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fantastic in this movie. I wouldn't
wouldn't change a thing, but I would
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ask you the role was initially offered
to both Jack Nicholson and Robert de Niro.
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Do you see this movie better with
either of those two or was this
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walking from from the get go?
This is walking from the get go?
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When when I read that those two
were up for it, after I saw
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this movie, I was like,
there's no. I mean, don't we
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get those two actors are incredible and
I know they would bring their a game
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in this performance as they always do
or as you know it's but Christopher Walkin
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just brings that Christopher Walkin. You
know that you just can't get around that
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that it's it's tough to beat that. So no, it is his role
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and his role only. I'll challenge
you this now. He was never in
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contention for the role, but the
only other person that I could see doing
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Hello Patreon subscribers, and welcome back
to nineteen eighty six. It was a
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limited series on a film buy,
and it is currently enjoying its renaissance here
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on Patreon. As always, if
you like what you hear, just keep
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subscribing. I will say it's been
a while since he's joined me in nineteen
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eighty six. These days, he's
spending plenty of time in nineteen seventy nine
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as well as on the bridge of
the Enterprise. Welcome back, David.
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So this is what nineteen eighty six
looks like. I've kind of forgot.
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It's good. It's good to be
back. Yeah, this is this is
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the first time we've had you on
the Patreon the lost episodes of nineteen eighty
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six as we've been calling them.
Yeah, I'm happy to be here,
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man, I'm happy to have you
back. I'm feeling out that you missed
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out. Yeah, We've had some
We've had some fun ones, you know.
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I'm glad. I'm glad that you're
back, and cause, uh we
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I think we got a fun one
today, actually I think so. Listeners,
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crack open a Cult forty five and
join us as we talk about the
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crime drama at close range and is
there a big Brad? Who is he?
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He's my father, a man too
dangerous to get close to, a
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boy too dazzled to break away.
Sean Patt, He is Brad Whitewood Jr.
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Yeah, family, good Dad,
I love you? Is that what
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you want to hear? Sean Penn
Christopher walking like father, like Son,
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Like hell at Close Range featuring Madonna's
hit song Live to Tell. So,
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Dave, we always start off with
first impressions. M I know we were
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talking about this one you had.
This is the first time watched for you.
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It is you were you had some
some uh raw deal witchboard iron eagle
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type concerns, as I recall,
yeah, nothing maybe nothing made me happier
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than when I read this. Uh
this is this is a this is a
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great review for the movie At Close
Range. Well whole I'm quoting here,
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Well, holy shit, that was
a damn good film. David Burns are
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David Burns. That's a that's a
quote from Ardavid Burns. So we don't
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even have to worry about you struggling
with this one. Who enjoyed this one?
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Right? I did? Yeah?
I mean when you told me about
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it and I watched the trailer report, I'm like, I don't know if
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I'm gonna like this one at all, and then then I'm glad to be
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wrong. Jeff, I am glad
to be because this was a pleasant surprise
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of a film. I wasn't It
wasn't too many years past ninety eighty six
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when I first saw this one,
and it would have been on cable.
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My first impression, like when you
when you when I hear that, when
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I think of the title, the
first thing that pops in my mind.
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I have to imagine pops in the
minds of most people. Madonna's Live to
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Tell. Oh, Yeah, absolutely
one of the incredible songs. Aside from
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that, though, Christopher Walkin's mustache. You know, Christopher Walker always has
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that evil look to him. I
mean he can pull it off so well.
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Yeah, man, does he look
evil in this one? Good for
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anyone? You know, when we
think Christopher walking nowadays, we immediately think
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white hair sticking straight up, kind
of kind of ghostly. In this film,
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though, he's he's got this this
quintessential eighties villain mustache. He's kind
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of like a white trash kind of
a oh he's degenerate, look at her.
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Yeah, I mean Yeah, he's
he's definitely on the fringe. And
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yeah, this is a this is
walking like we've never seen it now.
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Yeah, I think even you know, yeah, I think this is this
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is less than ten years after Deer
Hunter. Yep. And that's like that's
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like the baby face Christopher walking,
like when his whole life was ahead of
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him. Here we got Christopher walking
where he's just a little bit uh,
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a little bit worn, a little
more haggard, a little more villainously better
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picked anybody you better to play that
role, I'll tell you that right now,
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which we'll get into a little bit
later too. Well, we'll get
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to it, but first, Dave, as you remember public service announcement,
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So got a fun one for you. And this this is obviously very close
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to the date that this that we're
dropping this episode on Patreon but on March
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twenty sixth. In nineteen eighty six, Madonna releases Live to Tell as the
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first single from her True Blue album. Song goes on to be her third
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number one hit on the Billboard Hot
one hundred and coincidentally, the music video
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was directed by James Foley, who
just so happened to direct this film.
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How about that for a public service
announcement. That is fantastic. Man,
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what a great connection to this movie. It's got Yeah, I'll tell you.
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I know some people know this as
the Sean Penn Madonna left the Tel
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movie and they're like, you know, I think I've seen it, but
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I'm not sure. Dave. Let's
grab the VHS tape, Let's flip it
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over. Would you please please read
the back of the box. I would
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be honored to read the back of
the box. Sean Penn an Academy Award
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winner Christopher Walken star as a deadly
father and son combination in At Close Range,
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a fierce film of spellbinding actions.
At Close Range is the true life
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story of one family's bizarre life of
crime. Young Brad Whitewood Junior has finally
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discovered why his father has been missing
for so long. As the head of
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a family operated national crime syndicate,
Brad Senior is a ruthless ringleader and his
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son's newfound idol. Brad Junior and
his brother Tommy form their own gang of
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hudlums to gain their father's respect and
become part of the family business. Instead
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of respect, Brad Senior fears he
is losing control of both the gang and
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his sons. He formulates a plan
to take them out of the picture permanently.
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That's one of these synopsis that you
read on the back of a VHS
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box and then you watch the movie
and you say, hey, that is
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exactly what I was I was expecting
exactly is this is crime drama? Dark
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crime drama? M like like,
I mean, there's so many great examples
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of it, but this one is
one of the better ones from the eighties,
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and it just it pains me.
It pains me, honestly that we
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didn't cover it in our initial run
for nineteen eighty six. I agree with
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that. I'm kind of sad that
we didn't, to be honest with you,
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Yeah, we would have had a
good we would had a good conversation
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or we're gonna have a good conversation
with about it today. But yeah,
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I just feel like this is one
we shouldn't have been asleep on. Yeah,
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honestly, And when you mentioned crime
drama too, it's kind of funny
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that this one takes place like out
in the country, you know, a
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farm land and stuff like that,
something you really don't think about when you
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think of a crime drama, right, No, Well, you know,
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I'm glad that you say that,
because crime drama in like a rural area
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and this movie takes place in Pittsburgh. I'm sorry, where's it at chester
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Chester? Swimmy Swammy Swammy, Samsonite
was off off like Chesterton, Sunton Bucket.
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Don't think I'll I'll just drop that. Chester County, Pennsylvania. What
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is it, Dave, Chester County, chester Chester. It's Chester County,
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Pennsylvania, right, Yep, that's
correct. You saying that though, reminds
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me like when I when I watched
this movie or when I well, when
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I did a rewatch of this movie, it gave me some real wisdom vibes.
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The Wisdom which also came out in
nineteen eighty six. I know,
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Jason Colvin and I covered that one
on Patreon. You know, you see
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Sean Penn and you see Mary Stuart
Masterson and I kind of get that.
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Emilius it is to mean more type
of feel to it. Yeah, I
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could see that. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh. This movie, the title
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card we open up with based on
a true story of nineteen seventy eight,
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and we got to immediately look at
the fact that it is in fact based
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on the actual crimes of a guy
named Bruce Johnston Senior. He's he's kind
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of heading up one of the largest
crime families in Chester, Pennsylvania during the
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sixties and seventies. And in the
end it was his son who did in
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fact testify against him, like we
see Champagne at the end of this movie.
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Yep. Can we I know,
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book. Can we talk about this? This just huge cast. Oh my
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gosh. Like when I was watching
this movie and I hadn't looked at IMDD
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or anything like that to look at
the cast. I was just watching the
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credits role at the beginning of thing, Oh my gosh, who's not in
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this exactly? You know, in
nineteen eighty six, this was this was
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two maybe three established actors and then
a bunch of people that we had never
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heard of. Right, But when
you watch it now and it's a it's
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on two b uh if you want
to catch it listeners. When you watch
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it now and you see these these
opening credits, you're like that guy and
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that guy and that girl and that
guy. You know, huge cast.
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Let's start with Sean and Chris Pinn
brothers. Yep, they're playing brothers in
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the movie. This is the only
I can't believe this, but this is
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the only time that they ever were
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me with the body. What a
miss what a missed opportunity. Yeah,
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I agree, I don't. I
don't even know how that happens, you
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know, I don't. I don't
know. And it's just if you've seen
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these people's careers and you go back
and see this kind of movie. And
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for me, since this was my
first time watching this, looking how baby
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face these people were, Oh gosh, yeahs could you? I mean,
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let's you talk baby face. Like
Chris Pinn, who we're used to seeing
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is like the larger, brooding,
playing cut guy. Here he is.
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He's young, he's lean, he's
got that long curly hair. Yep,
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and he looks so much like on
Pin in this. Yeah, it's it's
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incredible. I loved I loved what
they did on the screen though. Honestly,
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oh yeah, absolutely, I thought
they did an incredible John And you
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know, they're they are real brothers
in real life, so they didn't have
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to fake that. So when they're
on screen together, you can see the
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chemistry there because they truly are brothers. The chemistry is undeniable. Yeah,
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I love, I love every moment
they show on the screen. Honestly,
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someone who I have to admit I
did not enjoy on the screen every time.
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And it's just because the character is
a total scumback. Let's talk walking
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Christopher walking like you're never gonna see
him before, right, This guy is
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like the scum of the the of
the earth man. He is the dirt
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on the bottom of your boot.
Some of you definitely don't want to hang
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out with, that's for sure,
and some of you definitely want to be
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your father. And well, fortunately, you know, Brad Junior and Tommy
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find that is their father. Yeah. But here's here's the great thing about
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this movie, because I think it's
fair to say that this as much as
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it is a crime like a noir
crime type film, it's definitely a father
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son oh yeah, without a nout
relationship type type of film. You know,
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these these two they've never had a
relationship with their father. They don't
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know why they haven't, and then
he kind of comes back into their life
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and then they realize he's he is
deep into this this crime ring, you
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know, stealing things, and he's
in he's got he's got drugs running.
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He's running drugs, he's doing all
this other stuff, and they idolize him
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immediately, like their poor mother wants
you know, she what can she do?
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Right? I think she can't keep
she can't keep away from him,
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because so, yeah, they're they're
idolizing this guy. They want to hang
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out with this guy. They want
to they want to prove themselves to this
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guy, and he is the worst
kind of guy. But the amazing thing
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about this film and what James Foley
does, the director, I kind of
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feel up myself feeling like like like
the Penn Brothers, like, yeah,
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he's so cool, Like look at
these these muscle cars he's got, he
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hangs out, he looks cool.
I mean, he's he's obviously he's a
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bad he's a bad guy, right, he's he's got he gives up that
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bad boy vibe. But you're kind
of he's he's definitely it's almost spellbinding the
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way he the way he looks at
him and then talks, because he's not
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he doesn't act like the tough guy, right, he's very smooth, very
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persuasive, and he's gonna he's gonna
take the attention of his son immediately.
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No, matter who he is,
because you know, he gives him that
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car. You know, here,
here, take this car. He hands
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him money. You know, that's
why he shows up. You know,
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from the first time that we see
him, he heeds what like three hundred
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bucks or something. Yeah, He's
like, he's like, hey, your
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mom needs some money, Like how
about one hundred, two hundred, three
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hundred Yeah, like it's nothing.
Yeah, I know. Uh. This
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movie obviously does not have any bit
of a comedy to it as far as
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I could find. But I'll tell
you what. Some of these scenes,
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these early scenes when he kind of
shows up in the in that cool ass
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car and kind of motions him to
come along, and the mom is just
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and the grandma are just very disapproving. He definitely gave off like a Reese
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Bobby like taligate taligated nights like Gary
Gary Coleman's character. He's I was like,
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this is Reese Bobby. Yeah,
let's get the car. Let's let's
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go do some crime. Yeah,
he's reesed Bobby. Let's let's call it
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what it is. Dave. I
got to ask you, Christopher Walking is
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fantastic in this movie. I wouldn't
wouldn't change a thing, but I would
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ask you the role was initially offered
to both Jack Nicholson and Robert de Niro.
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Do you see this movie better with
either of those two or was this
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walking from from the get go?
This is walking from the get go?
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When when I read that those two
were up for it, after I saw
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this movie, I was like,
there's no. I mean, don't we
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get those two actors are incredible and
I know they would bring their a game
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in this performance as they always do
or as you know it's but Christopher Walkin
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just brings that Christopher Walkin. You
know that you just can't get around that
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that it's it's tough to beat that. So no, it is his role
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and his role only. I'll challenge
you this now. He was never in
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contention for the role, but the
only other person that I could see doing
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this role justice aside from Christopher Walkin
















