Paul Schrader - Blue Collar

0:00 I think the great thing about a lot of movies is that blues riff. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, It's in so many movies, and it dawns. I mean, we we've never covered a movie that has that blues riff. You know, the Adventures in Babysitting. We have not covered Adventures in babysitting. That's that's not exactly an underrated film. I don't know that we will, but I'm glad that we're finally getting, you know, a chance to maybe talk about one of those movies that has that that blues riff. You know what I'll you know the blues riff I'm talking about now. And it's so easy because you can make a song out of virtually anything, right, Yes, all right, hold on, I'm gonna send you something.

0:46 We're gonna let's let's put this to the test. Okay, all right, I just I just I just sent you four four lines. All right, all right, all right, all right, I'm gonna give it a beat. Are are you ready for this? Wait? Already? I just go one at a time, don't just go one time? Are you ready for this? All right? Yeah? Single mother on a film? Buy no hell ain't freezing, just keeping these boys in line. D I think we just got our new theme song.

1:30 Oh god, how great was that? Amber Lewis is the voice. Hell Ember, I got my own theme song. Now, jeez, you just see how easy that. I got a hashtag that that riff is so good. You can make a song out of anything. Amber. Let's talk about a film by Paul Schrader, his nineteen seventy eight underrated directorial debut, Blue Collar.

2:28 Hello, everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis, the voice of Reason, the Reason, and this is a. Film by podcast Amber. Thank you for being such a good sport about that. That was that was fun? Oh my god, that was amazing. Yeah, listen this we we have someone to think. Uh, not only for that, for giving us that opportunity, but but for this, for this movie. We are talking about Paul Schrader's Blue Collar because one of our listeners as made I'd say he's made a passionate plea for this one, not once, but twice talking about Josh Avery from Detroit, Michigan.

3:11 So Amber last season is when he first reached out to us. He wrote, I absolutely love your podcast and give it a five star rating. Thank you, Josh for that. We always appreciate our five star ratings. With recent episodes about Union movies, Norma Ray Amber. That's that that should date it for you. Yeah, because you did Norma Ray forty five. Yeah, he says. He says, with recent episodes about Union movies and coming of age movies, I would recommend Blue Collar by Paul Schrader and Heaven Help Us from nineteen eighty four as a coming of age movie. Keep the great episodes coming fan for life and a follow up message, He also said, Paul Schrader is from my hometown and Blue Collar, in my opinion, is Richard Pryor's best acting work.

4:04 I gotta tell you, this was the first time watch for. Me and I may I never I might have heard of this. I might have to agree with Josh Avery about prior. Maybe maybe this is his best his best acting. I mean it was sure amazing. Yeah. Well, and you know he mentioned the he talked talking about coming of age movies. He mentioned Heaven Help Us, so I looked into that one. It's actually it was actually released in the US and February of nineteen eighty five, which means it's fortieth anniversary is a few weeks away. It's streaming on Max right now, So I don't know, remember what what do you say? How about we cover that one on our Patreon next month? I think that Donald, Donald Sutherland, I know you're Donald Southan.

4:47 I've ever heard of that one either. It'd be a first time watch for the both of us. Another first time watch. We've been doing that and after this one, like I trust Josh. Yeah, we trust Josh and Josh we trust. Oh no, I do know this one. Okay, I haven't seen. It, but I know it Sutherland Andrew McCarthy. Yeah, yeah, I was looking into this. I was like, how did this is eighty five? How did I not ever see it? So? I think we should do it. Actually, I think we should just we should add that into the Yep, the next month's Patreon. Lineup sounds like a plan, all right. Well, back to Paul Schrader, little little uh three facts and in a quote for you, Amber, we love our we love our facts. Right absolutely, Here's what I'll tell you about Paul Schrader. He's known for writing and directing stories about men who fall into desperation as their situations escalate.

5:45 And if you are familiar with Paul Schrader's work before we even get into it. That is that's that's right on the money for this guy. Yeah for real. Yeah, And when we get into like you know, I'm gonna I do want to kind of blitz through his his written work here. In a minute, so we'll But does that ring true? Absolutely? Yes, for sure. I mean I didn't know him as a director, but then when I clicked on him as a writer, I was like, oh, I get it. You get it right. Fun fact he shares a birthday with actor Danny Glover. I don't think they've ever worked together. I can't think of Danny Glover film where it's been written or directed by Paul Schrader. Looking at his at his fomograph.

6:26 I think, yeah, I don't think. So let's get these birthday boys together, right, yeah. Amber. On several occasions, he has shared his belief that the human race will be extinct by the year twenty fifty. I don't I try to dig deeper, it's just something he believes. I don't know. Wow, maybe because twenty fifty sounds like a made up year. Well that's not a rail year. Let's be let's be fair. He's in his seventies. We're not. You know, we're going to see twenty fifties. So let's hope that we're still around. The things they are looking right now. We'll find out, we'll find out.

7:09 A quote from mister Schrader, he says, if you write interesting roles, you get interesting people to play them. If you write roles that are full of nuance and contradiction and have interesting dialogue, actors are drawn to that. You have to have a role where an actor says, Okay, I'm not going to get as much money as I want. I'm going to have to work on a shorter shooting schedule then i'd like. But the role is really interesting, so let's do it. That's a that's a that's an artist. Yeah. Well, and to have the talent to write those things like, yeah, this guy's amazing. I'm gonna I'm gonna chet here. I'm gonna give you a bonus quote because I read this one. I was like, that is so Amber Lewis. We we we've talked about how we feel about studio execs over the past five seasons.

7:59 Sometimes they help a lot of times they don't. I think Paul Schrader is Uh, it's like he's on he's on our wavelength. He said. Quote. Every time you think the studios have fucked you every way, they can they come up with a new way. How about that? Boy? Isn't it the truth? Though? This guy does not pull punches at all? Wow? Can we can we add a little a little moment here, a little written by Paul Schrader because I know, I know this is where we're It's directors, But let's let's talk about what he's written. Nineteen seventy four, he writes the Yakuza Amber. We covered Brad and I did an episode on the Yakuza, So go back and check that out if you didn't listen.

8:45 That's that was early. I was like season two maybe nineteen seventy six. Taxi Driver, which we covered on our nineteen seventy six limited series. Did that one with Andy tom So shout out to Andy, who who is a taxi driver fan. We had a good time on that one. Nineteen seventy seven, Rolling Thunder, nineteen seventy eight, Blue Collar, which we're talking about today, nineteen seventy nine Hardcore Amber. Does that ring a bell to you? Have you seen that one? Oh? I can't. Okay, all right, we'll put a pin in that. I can't wait to talk about that one nineteen eighty American Jigglow and Raging Bowl nineteen eighty two.

9:25 Cat People nineteen eighty six. One you are definitely familiar with because we covered it on our Patreon. It was one of our lost nineteen eighty six episodes. I'm talking about the Mosquito Coast. Yes, nineteen eighty eight. He's back with Scorsese, The Last Temptation of Christ in nineteen ninety seven. He does affliction. All of this, and not only has he never won an Oscar, he's only been nominated once. Can you believe that? No? But I mean it's a competitive world, but it Yeah, but still some of these are amazing. I mean Hollywood classics.

10:07 Speaking of classics, let's talk about Blue Collar Amber this one. I didn't know anything about this one until Josh Avery introduced us to it. And I know this was the first time watch for you. This might be a first time watch for other people. Maybe they haven't seen it. Can you tell us what Blue Collar is about? Give us a little synopsis, if you will. It's about three guys that work in an automotive factory and they're all, you know, struggling financially, and they decide to rob the union headquarters. They think there's like the motherload to be found in their safe, but they also find corruption and dirty dealing and and a lot of nefarious things going on in the union, so they decide, hey, we could go in for some more money and blackmail them.

11:03 Yeah. So, despite its critical acclaim and success, Schrader has publicly disowned this film. Does that surprise you now that we've seen this. I mean, unless it has to do with what went on behind the scenes, because this movie is amazing. It's an incredible film, and I think it has everything to do with what went on behind the scenes, because this film famously had a very troubled production, full of fights, verbal abuse, walk offs, standoffs between the cast. Schrader even claimed that a drug fueled prior punched Harvey Kitel in the face, hit yaff at Coto with a chair during filming, and pulled a gun on him, insisting that he wouldn't do more than three takes for a scene.

11:51 Whoa I mean, Richard Pryor was struggling, So I can kind of believe all of these things. This is Richard Pryor the seventies cocaine at the height of his at the height of his popularity, in his power. Yeah yeah. Schreder even gave an interview in which he said, quote, I hired three bulls and asked them to come into a china shop, and I promised each of those bulls that they would be the lead actor. He kind of met himself up. You kind of brought this on yourself, Paul. Let's let's think about this, because you've got three incredible actors right here, right You've got three name actors, and you tell each of them, Hey, this is your movie, and then when we get to set, they all figure out that they're not the lead.

12:36 What did you think was going to happen? Egos even just the way that they the different ways that the three of them work, Yeah, where Harvey Kaitel takes him like three or four takes to kind of get his groove on and then he's ready to give you, like the good one. Richard Pryor wants to do the first three because that's when he's all hyped up, and then he's done. Yeah, and then you off that codo like wants to be completely on book as it's written, and prior is like iprop improvising, yeah, all over the place, Like there's no way to get these three dam mess like, no way at all. It's one thing when you're dealing with Hollywood egos, but this is the late seventies and alpha male, three alpha males are vying.

13:25 For the for the top spot. My movie, This is my movie. Yeah, I can't. It shocks me that they actually filmed it in thirty five days. They got the entire film shot in thirty five days, without without without someone dying. It blows my mind. Everybody's also hopped up on cocaine behind well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cocaine is a hell of a drug and it was. It was in mass use on the on the set. Yeah, absolutely yeah. So all this straighter. Allegedly suffered a minor nervous breakdown and temporarily quit the film business, which had to be pretty temporary because Hardcore comes out a year later.

14:05 Obviously, But still I cannot blame him. I'll tell you, I I wish we could go a lot deeper because I don't know about you. I don't know what kind of stuff you kicked up, but I saw I read some stuff. I was like, Yeah, that's that's dark. That's that's going, that's over the line, right, And I was like, let's just I'll tell you what listeners, look look into blue collar if you want to, if you really want to hear some real dirt, you want to read some real dirt. There's there's plenty more out there. We're just giving you a little peek behind the curtain at it because because we got to move on, Uh. We're gonna take a quick break when we when. We get back, we'll talk about the cast. All right, Louis, this is company time. You don't like it, tell your rep.

14:55 That guy was such a dick, wasn't he? Oh? My god? Do yeah? Oh, let Amberg. Let's talk about this cast. So Richard Pryor playing zeke Zekiel Brown, he gets top billing, despite despite everything, he gets top billing on this one. It's like the most one of the most famous people in the world. Well yeah, I mean he had done what eighteen movies before this, fifteen movies before this, and even in seventy eight he's got this. He's got California Sweet, and he's got the whiz. Yeah. No, I don't know about you because I I'm more familiar with eighties prior as opposed to like seventies.

15:42 Prior for movies. Yeah, did it throw you off to see him without a mustache? A little bit? Right? A little bit? Yeah? Blue Collar? Blue Collar is the last film you'll see him in without a mustache. It just seemed weird. It is a little distracting. It Like it's like if Sam Elliott shaves his mustache or Tom Selleck. Yes, what are you doing? Guys still do it? Did you imagine if I shaved my beard off, who did you do with Jeff? I wouldn't even look the same. Yeah, yeah, prior. So here's the funny thing. Just last week, when we were talking about the American President, we were like, hey, at least next week we got a comedy. We're gonna be laughing. We got Richard Pryor.

16:24 Yeah, and I'll be honest, Like, well, I'll be honest with you. I had some laughs, But it only takes about ten minutes for you to realize you're not watching a comedy. Yeah, ten minutes. I mean the cold open with the Blues song was, Yeah, they're saying the F word in the opening song. I was like, oh, this is the factory we're working in a right. Yep, we're not sugarcoating anything nothing. Yeah. The thing is he has you laughing your ass off towards the beginning of this movie. And there might be a couple of funny quips here and there, but he's he's doing some really good dramatic acting in this film as far as I'm concerned. Oh yeah, it's emotional.

17:10 You know. It wasn't like that. I can be serious, you know, kind of like it was intense and. It's all it was. Yes, that's the word. Yeah were you? Were you laughing at the way he speaks at his children so much? You can't you can't cuss it your kids like that, can't you? Amb I mean it was said with love. They were not set what you know. I just I just can't imagine, like six year old Liam breaks one of his toys and you're like, oh, you got money to pay for that?

17:51 They shut U. No, that was not my parenting style of choice. Not a surprise from Richard Pryor. Amber Lewis not of the prior parenting school. Did that living room take you back? Though? Like they're watching? I don't know if it was good. Times, like uh, like the big hit in nineteen seventy eight, because every time the television's on, everyone's watching. But they didn't take Jefferson's Oh. Yeah, the Jefferson he watched it. He's complaining about, uh yeah, did that did that room? Take you back there? Like the plastic on the couch? Like that was just seventies.

18:32 Gold I loved. And she was like, if you don't like this show, turn it off. And he was like, it took me three years to pay for this TV. I watch it everything they put. On, like when the when the shows go off, and we just got that snow, I'm watching that snow. I'm watching that watch it all. Yeah. At that point, I'm still like. This is a fun it's gonna be This is gonna be a really fun comedy with a couple slow points, like dramatic stuff. No, it's the opposite the way around, but man, he's cooking for real. Towards the beginning of this movie, let's talk about Harvick Kitel, who is he just the perfect nineteen seventies dad, The way he's the way he's dressed in this with like the high waisted pants and the medium T shirt, short sleeve collared shirt with the tie tie tucked into the pants.

19:29 He wears that ball cap like it's like a strong wind would blow it off his head. Yes, but it's not going anywhere. I love kytelling this. What'd you think? Oh? He's amazing. He is just amazing. And you know, my heart just went out to him. Like you know the scene where he's like trying to act like, oh I forgot I left the gas pump on. Oh, I was like. Lying as a you're probably like that, No, weal believe that we're not buying that ship. And you know, I love the fact that when like you know, and I know we're jumping forward to scenes, but I love the fact that when he's trying to sneak out, his wife's so supportive.

20:12 She's like, oh, okay, well be careful. And when Richard Pryor is trying to do the same thing, his wife's like, where are you going? What are you doing? Baby? He sniffs on our picts, He's like, where am I gonna go? I'm funky, you know what I'm he my friend move at two am. Well, he's trying to dip out, you know, don't come back. You know, she is not having any of it. But but Kitel, he is, he's just doing an amazing job here. You know, you figure this is his second time. I think it's a second time working with Strader because he you know, he played a scout in a taxi driver. You know, he sart that little that that small role. But uh, not having a good time on set. You know, we kind of alluded to some of the fighting. Uh, he actually was one of the.

20:59 He was the after that walked off the set. They his agent caught up with him at the airport where he was ready to fly home. That's how bad things were getting, and convinced him to come back. But I read this Amber and I know you must have. Well, we got to tell the listeners about this. So you're you know, you're talking about how Kitel likes to warm up. You know, get a couple of takes in. Apparently one day he's warming up and they had a stand in for Richard Pryor, who was giving Prior's lines. Right, So Prior comes in tries to knock it out of the park. On the first take. Kite Tell takes offense to it, you know, believes that Richard Pryor is trying to upstage him and show boat a little and before you know it, he starts screwing around with Prior like he's moving props. He's looking directly at the camera to ruin the take. This pisses Prior off.

21:49 Fist start flying, big fist fight, including a Schrader himself who got caught in the middle of it, with the Prior's bodyguards Kit Tell and a couple. Other grips that were on set. I just imagine this is this is this, this is the seventies, this is the wild West. You know, this is still when we're doing like Maverick filmmaking. Could you imagine if this was today, when all the studio heads are like popping in and we've got all the rules and they would have this ship would have been shut down completely been made. Yeah, I would have been canned. But uh, I'm glad. I'm glad that I'm glad that didn't happen. I'm glad that they broke all the kinds of rules, uh, to get this film out because I love Kytel. This is one of this Now that I've seen it, I think this is like a top five Kayitel.

22:34 Performance for me. Oh yeah, And that's saying something because the man has done some pretty oppressive stuff. Absolutely, yah Fat Cooto as Smoky. My first question, did he just leave the set in the wardrobe and walked straight over to Ridley Scott's set for Alien? Yes? Does situation I'll talk about the boat of situation. Does Yah fat Coto have like a clause in its contract that he gets to wear headbands? What's up with what's going on? I think he does whatever he wants and it's fabulous. I think that's a good way to look at it. And yeah, let Yaffette Codo do what yat Coto wants to do. I mean yeah, because he was in you know, he was he played a Bond villain and how.

23:24 Much was he in? He was? Who was he? I think he was doctor Kenango. It was a Live and Let Die? Yes, Roger Moore, Jane Seymour, Oh not Domino Solitaire. Yeah, I'm looking back at at yaf at Coto now. I think the only problem with his character was that he wouldn't wearing a headband. Yep, see beat Bond's ass if he had a headband. Yeah, well so he's playing he's playing Smoky here. I love his character he's probably my favorite of the three. Yes, he's like you. He's the voice of reason, right he is. He has that great speech. Oh well, we're going to get to that speech.

24:04 I know. I love I love that we get it twice, We'll get to it. We'll get to it quick. You mentioned. He does not. He's very by the book. He likes to read the script. He was not a fan of Prior at all because Prior was doing all this improv stuff and it caused him to lose his place at a lot of times. So he's it's screwing him up. So he's they're not getting along. No one's getting along on this film, right, But I don't know. I think it helps. It helps helps you believe like they when they are arguing or there are bickering, going back and forth to each other, it's more believable. I believe them as like buddies, like work buddies. That well, I was gonna say, yeah, they're not really friends.

24:47 It's their middle aged men who spend what fifty hours a week together, you know, doing work in ten hour days probably, And then who do they go home to, like, who are there friends? Like? You know, if they're not gonna go bowl together and like take the wives out to dinner together. Like where who are they? What are they? You know? And there's a scene one of the scenes I want to talk about later, you know, party at smokies. You know, I mean, who else you gonna who else you get on wine with? Right? Yeah, A couple of people I want to talk about here real quick. This one's for David Burns, who who has worked on set with Clifty Young. He's playing Burrows, the FBI guy, the the you know, the ones trying to crack the the Union.

25:32 I love I love that guy. He's one of those that guy's like, oh that guy, I know him. He's like everything he is. But here's the thing. We talked about him a while back because he's in a lot of stuff, but he typically plays uh, you know, like an asshole or he plays someone he plays someone that's a little slimy. Yes, So I told you David worked with him, that he was on set on a film and he's like, yeah, the guy's a guy's a jerk, like offset like off camera he's a total jerk. I don't know. I mean, I'm just I'm speaking on day's behalf, Like you know, I don't know experience. Yeah, yeah, if you asked for if you asked for the David Burns experience, he's he's gonna tell you, like, you know, don't work with the Clifty Young.

26:17 So how about that? Even this, I know, yeah, I know, he's a I know, he's a good guy in this. And he's still kind of slimming, That's what I'm saying. He's still slimy, like his way of coming into the Joe's Cafe or Joe's Bar whatever that was, and buying the beers just and you know, and I. Love when Smoky's like you are a liar. Yes, well, Ember you you know you have a little bit of experience with this. Like one thing I dig about that scene and it's not one of the scenes I want talk about, but I'm gonna talk about because because of Clifty Young. I love the passion in these guys like Kit tell Uh. You know, his character Jerry gets upset once he once he finds out this guy's here to try and dig up dirt on the union.

27:03 Mm hmm. Right, So that's where I'm like, yeah, he's he's kind of a dirtball. He's he's kind of Slade ball right because he comes in like, hey, guys, let me buy some beers, you know, And I love that at that moment that where you know, waitress comes to settle everybody down. Here's the beers, and you know, we'll tell him he's paying for them. Well, I was asked to leave. He's like, pay for him then you then you can leave. Yeah, put Clift to Young in his place. Yeah, Cliff Cliff's in here. Uh, much to uh David's chagrin. But three other guys. I was so happy to see Lane Smith. He's uh, he's the union rep? Right? Uh? Is he? Was he a union rep? Or was he shop Stewart?

27:46 I was a little confused there, No, here's the union rep. Okay, he's union rep. And uh, I he's got one of almost. The same guy from my cousin Vinnie. Not Jim Dropped the third. This is this is not Jim drop the Third. This is not uh, this is not Perry White from Lewis and Clark. Have you ever seen Lane Smith? Looks so young and thin. And the long hair, that long. Hair that's seventy that nineteen seventy eight. Hair of his. Yeah, is he is? He was he gunning for like People's fifty most Beautiful in nineteen seventy eight. I think he was Yeah, good, he did that, he said some time with a with a round brush and hair dryer. It didn't just happen.

28:36 I did. I did. I did feel a little bad for his character because he's sitting there, he's trying to trying to keep orders, trying to conduct the meeting, and they're all just like Amber. You can't tell fifty grown men to calm down and pay attention. And when you're when you're when you're asking them to volunteer. Well, and that was Saturday the other day. I'm I'm a union family and I believe in the union, but there are things that are bullshit. And like these guys just were ten hours. They're sweaty, they're hot, they want to go home. That's when you have the union meeting and you're trying to get them to volunteer to do something on a Saturday like and this is you can tell this is a long time they've had this union representation. So they're not fighting for the big things anymore. No, the passion is is not there.

29:29 Yeah, poor poor Lane Smith. Uh again, young thin How about Ed Bagley Junior with that ponytail right what what I don't remember. Like one of the smartest actors around, like playing a total dufist, Like, oh. Yeah, he's like Jeff Spaccoli in this. I don't even remember if he has lines. He's just there. He just seems to always be either in the background at the auto plant or he's in the background at Joe's Bar. Yes, just looking like a dope. But I love it, you know. And then one more guy. I saw this guy again, baby faced because it's nineteen seventy eight. But did you recognize Tracy Walter? Does that name something familiar? Yeah?

30:14 All right, listen listeners. If you don't recognize the name Tracy Walter, go back to City Slickers. He played Cookie the Cook, Yes broke. Most importantly, nineteen eighty nine, he played Bob the Goon. You know, recognized his face. I didn't know why. My number one God, Yeah, yes, sir, Yeah, Bob the Gooon himself Tracy Walter, and he just like he just he's like a random union worker who's basically like here's something at one of the means. He just jumps up and it's like bullshit, you know. He just not happy. You know, I love seeing it, like when you know, I like that when we take the opportunity to do a movie from like the seventies. I know we don't do it often, but I love when we do it because then you see actors in rare form like it's like maybe it's one of their first few movies, or like they just look so young, or they look they look completely different than what we're used to seeing them.

31:09 And these three guys absolutely fitting the bill for that, for that vibe. Well, in seventies movies have I just feel a level of realism that has gotten lost a little the way. Yeah, I mean, this is the most realistic factory situation. Yeah, when you came out. This is the second time we've talked about a movie dealing with the auto plant industry, you know, like the Union, because we covered Gung Ho on nineteen eighty six are Limited nineteen eighty six series. This is like the dramatic version of Gung Ho.

31:50 Yes, kind of funny because you think about it, like one of the biggest comedians of the seventies, Richard Pryor, is in this and then they you know, Gung Ho had one of the biggest Comedians of the you know, with Michael Keaton. Yeah, so, I guess the point there is that if you're going to do a union movie, you. Should get a community funny in there. Get someone funny to do to be dramatic. You're right, though, you're on point with the seventies. If I could, if I could plug my my new favorite podcast Amber, Yes, the cine Have you been? Have you heard the Cinematic Flashback podcast yet? I have not. It's so it's our our our buddy Chuck Bryan, him and his co host Matt. They're talking specifically and only about movies from the seventies. And they got this great hook where it's like that, you know, they take you through the movie, they don't really spoil it at all.

32:43 You know, they give you some details, but they don't there's no really no spoilers, which I my hat's off to them because they don't ruin the movie for you. Well, and it's easy to say, like, well it's fifty years old, it's just right now, but absolutely you haven't seen what you haven't seen, Like. Yeah, Chuck and Matt don't do that. And and the cool thing I find myself. Looking forward to, like the ending because they the questions always asked, you know, did this movie grow through the. Decades or you know or not? And I don't know. I just Amber. You gotta check about listeners. If you have not heard the Cinematic Flashback podcast yet, find them on Spotify, find them on Yeah. I'm pretty sure they're on most of the listening platforms, Amber, if I'm not mistaken.

33:29 So, but yeah, they're great, They're. Great, awesome, something new to listen to. Yeah, let's talk about this film's background a little bit. So Trader takes inspiration from a story he was told about a man who worked in an auto plant before committing suicide, and that kind of evolves into the idea about union workers robbing their own union. So he heads to Detroit and starts interviewing auto workers to shape the story, and one worker told him quote, we hate management, but you know who we hate more than management, our own union. It fucks us. And Shrader was stunned by the comment, and that kind of helped outline the script. That's, you know, that's where we get this this whole we don't like the union vibe that that they take on the auto plant.

34:18 I caught this, I don't know if you caught this. Did you catch there was a scene where they're they're inside the plant and one of the finished vehicles is rolling by and it was a checker cab. Did you pick up on that? I mean, I saw it was a cab. Yeah, it's like a blink and you miss it. But uh, the auto plant scenes were all filmed at the Checker Cab plant in Kalamazoo, Michigan. U Schrader had been turned down by pretty much every working plant. Oh I can't imagine. Yeah, I imagine who would who would? Who would? Think? Right? But the Checker Cab plant agreed, hoping that the film shoot would boost morale and take attention away from the labor issues they were having with the uh the worker.

35:01 And then you got Richard Pryor and Harvey kins Hell trying to murder each other on the floor. Let's let's go into Kalamazoo for a minute. It's like, you know, you got people like this bullshit and then like, oh listen, we hear you, and we're gonna get to this. But meantime, famous comedian Richard Pryor is gonna be here for a while. Let's let's all show them a warm reception. You know, they're gonna film a movie. Never mind, that's exciting, that's it. That exciting guys. Yet, never mind that, you know, you. Don't care that you don't get another bathroom break. It's fine, No, it's fine. Right. Well, what I noticed was I had left the movie running. At the end of the credits, when you get to the you know, any this is the work of fiction, and yeah, you know that disclaimer.

35:48 The lawyer disclaim. Right before that, there's a disclaimer that says, like it was filmed on location at this factory in Michigan, and like, nothing that happens in this movie bears any resemblance to our factory or our union. Yeah, this is not our union and it's not our fact. Yeah, yeah, entirely the work of fiction. They were just in the building a. Lot of cover your ass jargons. You mentioned the F word being used at right in the beginning the opening credits. Yeah, like I had to write it back. I've listening to the song and I'm just kind of grooving, you know, to the to the beat, and then all of a sudden, I was like, what is this language what he's saying?

36:33 And he's like this job is bullshit. Oh my god. At the time of its release, Blue Collar held the record for most uses of the F word, with one hundred and fifty eight. Now that's kind of tame. That's well, it's nineteen seventy eight, though, Well, this is true. You know the record would be broken in nineteen eighty three by a fantastic film, one of my favorites. You want to take a guess, do you want to play rough? Okay, come on, wow, scarface, scarface scarf.

37:13 It have to be something with Eddie Murphy in it. But eighty three is too early. Well yeah, yeah, eighty three Scarface used it two hundred and seven times. And currently do you know who the record holder? Which film is the record holder at present? I could not. I watched five minutes of this movie and had to turn it off. I'm ashamed to say, because I just I was like, oh, this is disgusting. So I know it's Wolf of Wall Street, but I have personally witnessed all five hundred and however many. Yeah, five hundred and sixty nine times the sport is used in the Wolf of Wall Street Amber. You saw five minutes U and turned it off, I would tell you turn it back on, watch the other two hundred and fifteen.

37:56 Whatever, because it is disgusting. It's disgustingly awesome, you know, and Rob Reiner's in it. How are you gonna not watch a movie we just talked about Rob Reiner. We just talked about him. I'm afraid of what Rob Reiner is doing in this movie. Well, he's he's one of the more he's he's he's a tame character. He might have a conversation with his son that I never want to have with my father. But no, oh, it's deplorably awesome. You gotta watch it. Go back, we'll cover it. I'll just say, hey, we're doing Wolf for Wall Street. Aber. You don't have a choice, no choice, I'm sorry, sorry, co host.

38:36 Yeah, Now, can we talk about some noteworthy scenes because I've got four or five, and of course one of them will be the pivotal moment, and I think we're gonna have the same one. But we got tiptoed around this one. We did mention it. Let's start with the first one. Zeke speaks out against Lane Smith about his locker at the beginning of the movie ten minutes in and I'm loving this movie. Prior is just playing his greatest hits, Oliver Lane Smith's face right, because. He's trying to get control. He's trying to get some volunteers to work on their day off to pass out leaflets. Richard Pryor stands up. He's like, here we go. See Zeke's Zeke's the team players. Ain't shitz't on his day off? Man, Fuck you, yeah, that's what's your problem. He's like, he's like, my locker. Man.

39:20 He just goes on this dea trip about his locker being broken for six months, and I'm like, calmed, it's a locker. But then think if this was. Real, the locker and that stupid vending machine, Like, oh god, it's the thing that's gonna send you over the edge. You're cracking right, Yeah, this this scene sets up the movie perfectly. Everything we need to know about Richard Pryor's character. We're gonna learn right there in that ten minutes. We're gonna learn about his his conviction, we're gonna learn about his defiance, we're gonna learn about his comedic timing, his perfectly comedic uh time to responses sometimes. Fans astic moment. Moving on.

40:02 I know this was the first time watching for you. We hadn't talked, we weren't we weren't trading, uh play by play when I watched this party at Smoky's and I was like, oh shit, Amber, Amber's not. Gonna be happy about this one, because. We got got It was funny, yeah, well to a point, you know, we got cocaine, hookers, wild turkey, until it segues into this demoralizing observation about male depression, like when the three of them are sitting on the couch together and talk about pulling the rug from you. Because the moment, uh my, oh ship Amber somewhere watching this right now. Moment for me was when Richard Pryor, I don't even know what you call it. He's he's having sex with the girl on the floor. And yeah, but yet they're they're like army crawling towards towards the towards us.

40:58 It looked incredibly, It looked. If a woman asked me to do that, I come home, please, just you know, just uber, I can't be right. I don't know what they're doing. Why would you do that? Unless was it the coke? I guess probably probably probably they've gone feral at that point. My favorite part was when Harvey Kaitel was like servicing his lady and Richard Pryor just keeps talking to him, and he finally like lists his and he's like, I'm a little busy. I'm working on something here. Yeah. Yeah, can we talk real quick about Smokey's decor? You know you want that furniture, especially like that thron that throne that I did a throw.

41:45 I'm a single guy, I can have a throne. Yeah, why not? Yeah? Uh? Sweet and low was used on camera, as you know for the coke and I you know that's that often. You know, most most film sets will use sweet and low. They'll use powdered sugar. But according to are these. People actually sniffing? Am I supposed to believe they were actually sniffing sweet and low up their nose? Back in the day they would do that. No, oh no, I wouldn't either. But back in the day, you know before like there's a there's all, there's plenty of tricks. Now you know where you can, you can it looks like you're doing it. But back then it's like, well, this is not gonna hurt you. It's it's a little sugar, a little sweetener or whatever.

42:26 So I don't, Amber, they're throwing chairs and and real cocaine. That's not that's a thing. It's that's a thing. Well, so you see kitel and that's in that he's actually it's sweet and low. But it doesn't matter because off camera he's doing the real thing. Straighter. Strader kind of calls them all out. He's like, yeah, they were all. They're doing real coke in between takes, So they were high on cocaine as they were performing as characters high coking. She just wonder like, how did anybody survive? I mean, wow, method acting at its finest. Yeah, I don't.

43:09 I don't really believe that you're high on coke. But you know, he just do a bump and then uh. We'll see how you do. He'll be You'll be great. Next scene, Amber, I'm calling this the pivotal moment the blackmail plan, deciding what to do with the ledger. So they have robbed, you know, they they break into the vault. There's not ship in there. And and by the way, can we talk briefly about the pitiful disguises that they wore. That was so funny. I was crying, Yeah, because they're. They're the plot. They're plodding in the car, like, should we get some masks? How about bandanas? And try? Richard PR's like, if we get caught, I'm not going downtown looking like some goddamn cowboy.

43:52 And yet, well and then you see him in like the novelty store, and I did not get what he was buying. I was, well, his kids, like he's in the toy ile. Oh, He's like, yeah, give me, but like his kid had like the Google eyeglasses. He's, yeah, give me those. Well they show up. So one's wearing googly eyes, like the eyeballs that kind of spring out of the out of the glasses. Harvard Ye Tell's wearing X ray specs. He's got an arrow to his head, you know, the Steve Martin arrow through the head trick. And then Richard Pryor's got. Like these like monster teeth and one of those like little stupid caps with the propeller. Yes, these are your these are your costumes.

44:32 That was hilarious. It was the fact that they only ended up stealing, like there was only like five hundred bucks in there. Yeah, five six hundred bucks. But then the union said they got away with ten grand. Yeah, and they get this legend, right, so they get the ledger that shows all this dirty uh dirty money that the union's doing with Vegas and you know bookies and loan sharks and the mafia. Well, and they're sticking it to the people in the union too because they're taking they're giving loans, but they're charging people like thirteen percent. Yeah, so you might as well go to lunch chark. Yeah. I love I love the idea. It's like, okay, well we did all this for six hundred bucks, but what if the real prize is the ledger?

45:17 You know, they'll pay big money for this and they start dreaming big And I love this is the moment, like you you know, we said Smoke is the voice of reason. Yep. I love that he This is the moment where he explains how everyone is made to be pitted against each other, you know, old verse young white versus black, powerful powerful dialogue. Oh and the way he delivers it is just he's speaking the truth. And that's exactly what the company wants. To keep you on the line. They'll do anything to keep you on their line. They pit their life is against the new boys, old against the young the black against the white everybody to keep us at our place. I mean, can't you understand. That that one piece of dialogue told me this is the most import and part of the movie. This is this is where they are gonna make the decision that's ultimately going to you know, see them successful or see them end up in tragedy.

46:10 Well, and he was the one too that was like, you know what, well, I just cut our losses and get rid of it. We didn't get caught. Yeah, yeah, And that kind of that that scenes kind of telling because it tells you, Okay, if anyone's not gonna gonna win, probably gonna be him. Yeah, because he's the nice guy. He's the nice guy. He's the one he's he's the voice of reason. So speaking of a Smoky, next scene, I want to talk about Smoky taking care of the thugs at Jerry's house. Oh my god, when he hit that guy with the bat, like I felt it in my leg. Ouch. Did you know that the average speed of a baseball batswing is seventy two miles an hour If you're if you're if you're a major league baseball player.

46:57 Because because I know stuff, I know, because I know because I know. Things, but like you could also just say anything, I'd be like, really, you can. Look it up. I looked it up. I confirmed it. It sounds it sounds accurate. Well, you and when you see someone get hit with the back, like you know, and this this hurts, Like he just keeps because like he's he's like jabb. At him like rib pokes. But then he's like and then he's giving him like the what what men fear as the testicle tap? You know, you don't. Really realize how big Yaffat Koto is until he's like looming over these guys. Yeah, I mean, this is two thugs that are coming to rough up Jerry. And I don't know, I.

47:41 Just dig the fact that, like we talked about these are these guys really friends or are they just work buddies. But this is a situation where he's he is going, he's putting himself in harm's way to take care of of Jerry's family. And I thought that was really cool. I love and I love that he didn't. He didn't he didn't scare the wife. You know, he kind of the white lie. Hey, Hey, you know Jerry split his pants and he's embarrassed. You gotta go. You gotta leave the house right now. Yeah, I thought that was you know, I'm gonna say, yaf at coda. My favorite my favorite character is, you know, my favorite actor in the movie, my favorite. Character in the movie. One last scene I want to talk about. And then I got to ask you what what your pivotal moment is, because I told you mine was all about the Ledger the blackmail plan, and you were. Like, well yeah, but you didn't say like, oh yeah, I'm me too. So we're gonna get to yours. Uh.

48:25 One last scene I want to talk about. Zeke tells Jerry about taking the shop Stewart position. See that was fine, is it your okay? Okay? I like that. I like that we're ending on on your pivotal moment. Tell us about tell us about this pivotal moment, you. Know, Zeke. They each get they each end up going in different directions. Zeke takes the direction of you know what I'm taking. I'm going with the Union and I'm gonna take the little pay bump that they're giving me. I'm gonna take the little you know, raising position that they're giving me. And you know, Smokey's gone. There's nothing we can do for him, so I gotta take care of me. When he tells Jerry that, I, oh my goodness.

49:14 Here's why this scene is really really good and it's one and it's a great moment. For Richard Pryor. Like we talked about him doing some. Really good acting, this is one of those moments where he's just he's just telling it like it is because because Jerry is passionate, Hey, let's get these guys. They they they they killed, they killed Smoky. You know, we gotta we gotta get them. And You're you're laying down, man, you're taking this bullshit that you know they're corrupt. And I love his line though he's looking. Right at him and he's just like, Jerry, you're my friend, but you're thinking white and it's like whoa, you know.

49:54 And then when he lays out like how how it is and you can't you know, it's it's a great moment. It's a great scene, but it's also it breaks my heart a little bit because it's one of those situations where this is nineteen seventy eight and it's like the more things change, the more they say the same yep. Right, Well, and Richard Pryor really sells the layers of you know, I gotta do what I gotta do, but also like there's a little bit of self loathing in there there, you know, because he knows it's a terrible choice no matter what choice he makes. Yeah, but he's going to come out worse than Harvey kai tell Is he goes against the union.

50:34 Yeah, absolutely, And he's got a family to think about. You know, we talked about the party scene and he's he's lamenting about all the things. Yeah, six kids, they keep multiplying. He's lamenting about all the things that he promised his wife that he knows he'll never be able to provide. And now he's got you know, he's given a position that's seventeen grand a year and this that's nineteen seventy eight. That's pretty impressive. Yes, you know, and he was never going to get any kind of promotion or this is the only way. This is his shot. And you know that. Kept talking about you're lucky you even have a job. Like when I came here, Oh yeah, black people didn't even work at this factory.

51:18 Oh yeah, the one the one union. That's like Lane Smith's boss or whatever. Yeah, yeah, that I sucked too. Yeah. Well, let's I'll tell you what. Let's let's take one more break and then we'll start wrapping this up. Okay, welcome back. We've been talking about Paul Schrader's directorial debut, Blue Collar Amber. I got to bring up our friend David Burns one more time, because as much as he dislikes Clifty Young, he absolutely loathes the freeze frame ending. Oh, so many movies, so many movies in the seventies and early these gave us that freeze frame ending. And I'm it kind of sucks, but I just.

52:06 Wasn't it rocky too? Didn't they do it? Yeah? But hold on rock There's We're not gonna say anything wrong about any of the Rockies unless it's rock. But I digress. I want to talk about the freeze frame ending. So first off, my first, my first question to you, how do you how do you feel about free frame innings like especially one like this? This ending is kind of it ends on such a down note. Were you ready for that? No? I was not ready for the way it ended. I was. I thought I was gonna kind of just fizzle out. Well I'm not. I'm not overly thrilled with with how it ends, and I'm definitely not thrilled with the uh the insane escalation of Harvey Kite, of Harvey k Tell's racism.

52:57 Yeah nowhere, Like he's right in the N word and like that just kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah. So there's minor you know, like there's there's a little bit of racism kind of pepper throughout the movie. Yeah, and you're like, Okay, I get yeah, it's it's it's nineteen seventy eight, it's the inner City. It's like whatever, we get it. You know, it's different back then. It wasn't right, but it was different, right, But for kay Tell to kind of fly off the handle the way he does, and when you know that they've been buddies, you know, their kids are playing together and their wives are talking and they're going bowling together, it was a little jarring, I guess, right. Yeah, I mean I don't know, I don't know that it felt like an authentic fight, Like I just thought they'd be like if you.

53:40 No, yeah, well I just you know, and listen, he's not he's not alone in the in the race. Because Richard Pryor is getting pretty racist too towards him. I just I don't know, it just felt like it went way over the line, like immediately, yeah, which was kind of weird. And then we get this freeze from Mening. That is like the end of of Rocky three, where you know, punches are getting are flying. Well, I'd like Richard Pryor had like like a tool in his hand or something or something. Yeah, pipe or pipe wrench or something like that. My question to you, so, what what happened next? In your in your opinion, like.

54:20 How where's where do these characters end up at the end of the day, I mean someone going to jail. Gosh, I don't know, right, it's it's all hearsay. Yeah, I would think that, uh, Harvey Kaitel probably ends up just working at the gas station full time because he's not getting a job anywhere after, you know, he goes to the FEDS, and I bet Richard Pryor like stays at the factory. So everyone gets away with it. It's like I know that, you know that. I know that you know. So nobody's ever going to say anything. No one, no justice, Amber is what you're thinking. All right, Well, let's talk. Let's get back to Paul Schroder. If someone was unfamiliar with his work as a director, which three films would you suggest that they watch?

55:13 I have no idea because this is literally the only movie that he's directed that I've seen. All Right, well, then i'll help you. Although I'm very intrigued about The Card Counter with Oscar Isaac. I will watch Oscar Isaac anything. Well, you're okay, I mean, sure, watch it. You're watching it for the wrong reasons, but you know what, I didn't watch Barb Weier because it was an awesome action movie that I had Pamela Anderson at the height. Of her Are you Are you saying that The Card Counter is on equality? I'm not. I'm saying watch what you want. But hey, I'll tell you what we'll we'll play. I mean, I could talk for days about the movies he's written.

55:56 Well, yeah, but no, that's not the that's not the rule. You know, that's not That's not the question. The question is, if they're unfamiliar with him as a director, which three films would you suggest they watch? So obviously you could tell people to watch Blue Collar so you get one that's here. You're unfamiliar with him as a director, So let me help you. I'll give you my three Okay. So the following year, in nineteen seventy nine, he does a film called Hardcore. Not Watching Anything. Hold On, okay, hold on, hold on, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me land the plane here because you're already you hear that word and you're like nope, and you know it's a seventies movie and you're like nope. But listen, George C.

56:37 Scott, like you've never seen him before. Okay, he's uh, he's you know, we're in the Midwest, the Bible Belt whatever, hard working man. He's got the wonderful wife and the kids and you know, little you know, Daddy's daddy's little girl, sixteen year old girl. She goes on a field trip, doesn't come back. He goes looking for in Los Angeles and it kind of takes him to the CD underworld of the porn industry and he kind of goes undercover at you know, trying to trying to ease his way into the business, like he's a producer, just so he can get information, and like he's like becoming he becomes he basically becomes a detective. He's like a furniture salesman who just goes full on Paul Cursey death wish style to find out where his daughter is. And because what happens is he hires a you know, I'm not giving anything away.

57:25 You'd see this in the Trails. He hires a private investigator and the p I comes back and says, you're not gonna be happy about this, and he arranges for dad to see where his daughter ended up in a film ew and you get this. This is the seventies, so it's not like you could rent it or stream it. It's you had to go to a ya. And George C. Scott. It's such a heartbreaking moment because he's like turn it off, you know, like and then but he goes full on, like vigilanti mode to find his daughter and to save her and get her get. Her unfortunate title. Couldn't they have called it anything else?

58:07 Well, I mean you could look at as like his reaction was hardcore. You know, his vengeance was hardcore. So. You gotta check it out. In the eighties, he did a movie called Cat People. Paul Strader. I remember hearing about it when I was a kid and was like, what they turned into cats? I don't know. I think you might like this one. This is this is you know, this is this is a I'm going on a ledge here. Oh yeah, it's like erotic horror Natasha Kinsky. Oh, like like The Hunger. Okay, you're you're in the right neighborhood, like the hun The Hunger probably lives down the. Block from cat People. Yeah, so it's like they're they're cat people.

58:51 These people they have to mate with other cat people to maintain their humanistic look, otherwise they turn into panthers. And I know you're like, what kind of batchit crazy talk is this? But it's the eighties, it's erotic, it's a thriller. It's Natasha Kinski and everyone looked, yeah, and everyone loves that that David Bowie song putting out the Fires. Yes, okay, so remember you heard it in qt's Inglorious Bastards. Mm hm that was awesome. But that song comes from this movie Cat People. Never Yeah, check out Cat People.

59:32 I think I think you'll dig it. You're selling man cool. Let me give you. Let me give you one last Paul Schrader film nineteen ninety seven. He he does affliction. This is the one. Nick Nolty gets an Oscar nomination. Yeah, I remember, when's the when's the Oscar? Uh? You got Sissy SpaceX. It's he's Nick Nolty. This is like prime Nick Nolty, where he's he's moved into the grizzled Nick Nolty. You know, the god God damn that guy. Yeah, he's like a grizzled cop with a lot of problems in a small town. He's trying to investigate a hunting accident, like a death. Yeah, okay, a lot of a lot of Oscar heat around it. Really strong, strong performances.

1:00:15 It's I'll say. This, it's Nick Nolty's second best dramatic performance because he will never do anything better than when he played uh the Father in a Warrior with Tom Hardy and Joey Driton. That's that's the best. That's that's the top spot for Nick Nlty in my opinion. But Affliction the Ember, we we recommend seeing hardcore, I recommend seeing hardcourse, we recommend seeing blue collar though. Oh my gosh, yes, I was so pleasantly surprised. Pleasantly surprised in the regard that, uh, you know, be mindful that you will hear some controversy.

1:01:00 Your language, which we addressed. Yes, and it's hard on the unions. I mean it's a complicated situation and you know, no organization is perfect. And this definitely tells some truth about dealing with unions and dealing with management that you know, it makes you wins, but it's. See you you really you have the experience, so I and I don't. So I'm glad that you're you're able to speak to that. Uh. And also I'll point this out, just because you see Richard Pryor on the poster or on the DVD cover or on the image wherever you're going to stream it, don't don't expect this as a comedy because it's it's not.

1:01:41 No. I mean, we laughed in a couple of spots, but yeah, this is an intense movie. Yeah. Well I'm curious, Uh, listeners, what do you think of blue Collar and Paul Schrader's work. Uh? We know we know listener, Josh Avery loves this one. Uh, but do you you know how you seen it? Did we get this one wrong? You can let us know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, and x. You can check out a film by podcast dot com for all of our episodes that are streaming free. Well not all the Patreon ones obviously, Amber, but you know you gotta pay. You gotta pay for some stuff, right Uh. And you can write to us at a film by podcast at gmail dot com, much the way Josh Avery did. Uh.

1:02:24 You can give us your. Questions, your comments, and your concerns. We may just read your response on the show and send you some a film by swag. Once again, we gotta thank Josh Avery and Amber. We owe him an apology. Like I said, this was last year he wrote to us. He told us, you know, I know, I know, we send him some some of our film by stuff. Yeah, you know, I. Actually we send him some stuff that we like. You have to be on Patreon to get. But you know it's like, you know what, I like that. I liked his suggestions, and I was like, all right, thanks for thanks for hooking us up here. But you know this, you know, sometimes we have the schedules planned out months in advance. This one, this one got away from us. But we put out that survey last year at the end of last year. Yes, people, people, and we got a lot.

1:03:09 We're gonna have to go over that stuff. I gotta tell you, there's some. Really amazing ideas from a lot of our listeners in there. But Josh was good enough to do the survey for us, so he had a lot of a lot of great things to say. But he also made it a point to remind us that he was still waiting to hear the Blue Collar episodes. So Josh, I hope you're listening. This one's for you, bro, This one was for you. We hope you enjoyed it. We we absolutely look forward to your response, your feedback. And uh, I wouldn't uh, I wouldn't be putting it putting it up past you if you know, if you took a year to get to us. You know, wait, what what what are you gonna do? Amber? Right? Yep, Well listen, I'm glad you joined me again. You're you're joining me a lot and I did that. So yeah, are you doing?

1:03:55 Are you doing? You're doing something with me next week? Right Saturday? Saturday? Oh yeah, we got Hanted Honeymoon, Haunted Honeymoon for. Lost eighty six episodes. Amber, there's waiting for this left for so long, Josh, I know how you feel. I've been waiting for like over a. Year yes, Jo yeah, a year ago. Amber was like, why aren't we doing Haunted Honeymoon. I was like, we will, and then uh, and then we didn't. And then we got to the lost episodes of eighty six and she's like, all right, another shot, Okay, we'll get to it. And then Halloween passed and she was like, what the hell right? Never Lewis version is hell yeah.

1:04:38 But no Amber, Much to your delight, I think, much to the delight of many of our Patreon listeners, Haunted Honeymoon will be streaming this Saturday on Patreon. So uh, for those of you that are with us on Patreon, get ready for that. For those of you that aren't, Amber might be a good time to sign up for a free free week. You can do a free week. Sign up, get a free trial. If you don't like it, cancel it. I love it. You're gonna love it. If you don't like it, but you don't if you if you love it and you don't but you don't want to pay for it, get in there. Just download everything. There's like, what are we got like twenty thirty episodes?

1:05:19 There now probably more, there's video episodes. Get in there and just download it all, and then get out. I don't know there. You work the system. I should, yeah, work the system. You should that. Be like Richard Pryor and blue collar you know, yes, threw those corporate upfilmed by guys and all that. Yeah. No, I'm kidding. Yeah. I amber always a. Pleasure and uh to all of you out there listening to the show, following us on social media, subscribing to our Patreon, downloading it for a free week, and then getting back the house, we thank you, yes, thank you.