May 14, 2024
Phasers Set To Stun: recapping Discovery: Erigah

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Space the final Frontier. Join us
for a bold conversation, our prime directive
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to recap our favorite Star Trek shows, both new and old, to engage
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and debate about all things Trek.
Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.
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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
Phasers Set to Stunt, where we
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continue to show our love for everything
Star Trek in this ongoing series from a
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film by a podcast which focuses on
every quadrant of the expanding universe of Trek
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by covering television, animation, movies, directors and more. Plotted the chorus
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as always into your core Trek crew. I'm Skyt Hoffmann, I'm David Burns,
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and I'm Wayne Whiten, and we're
continuing the coverage of the newest boy
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in the franchise with Star Trek Discovery
Season five, the final season. Today
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we're covering episode seven, Araga.
But before we get too much further,
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as always black Alert, there's spoilers
ahead, so if you haven't seen the
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latest episodes, please stop, go
see them and come back to join us.
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So, without further ado, Dave, can you reminder our viewers what
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happened in this last episode? I
sure can as you said, it's episode
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seven Arago, written by m Raven
Metzner and directed by John Dudikowski. Mole
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and Lock have been captured by the
Federation in our beamed on board the Discovery,
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where it has learned that Locke is
badly injured and it's fading fast.
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But to make matters worse, the
Brain are on the way, demanding fugitives
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be turned over to them, knowing
they can't turn them over because of their
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knowledge of what they are seeking.
A solution must be made, and that
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includes making a stand against the breen
Burnaman Crue worked fiercely to find an answer
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from not only Mole and Locke,
but also the next piece of the puzzle
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and to save the Federation from certain
destruction. Yeah. This, I'm sure
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we all agree. This was another
great episode. Yeah, absolutely, going
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in such a good direction, and
this was I think it's what we've been
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wanting. Even though you know,
following the Progenitor quest has been really exciting,
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it's it's interesting to take a kind
of a pause in that and get
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a little bit more info on Molon
Blocke's relationship and to spend a little bit
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more time with them. I think
one of the one of the greatest things
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about this season in this episode,
really it shines in is the relationship between
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mol and Locke. I really love
their their their romance, their love for
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one another, and it really really
shines in this episode, especially later on
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in it. You know, when
when Locke and Mall are standing there and
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you know, I think it was
the doctor who was standing there trying to
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understand, uh, their relationship.
We're not really a relationship, but you
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know, trying to say that he
understands what Locke was, you know,
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coming from, and I mean Locke
was basically, no, you don't know
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any of that. She does.
She loves me for who I am,
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our differences, you know, something
along those lines. But it was just
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written so well. And when he
said that, damn man, this is
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a really good relationship we're seeing in
this season. Yeah, it loves me
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for the difference, is not despite
them. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
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Yeah. Yeah, you know,
we finally we've had three stories that
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we've followed this season. Here finally
in this episode they've all come together,
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and you know it, it actually
works this as you said, this episode,
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we needed it, you know.
Plus we get the the actual Breen
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entering the picture finally, you know
that, you know, it's much different
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from their presence like eight hundred years
back from Deep Space nine they were.
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They're very formidable in this episode there
right now, you know Starflee doesn't stand
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a chance against them. I'm interested
in that. I mean, it had
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me glued to the screen the entire
episode. Would you see the size of
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that ship? Yeah, that Dreadnought
is crazy. Yeah, yeah, no,
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it really does. It did a
great job of reinforcing the threat of
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the breed. When they were working
with the Dominion, it was almost like
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they were a little bit more like
soldiers, Like they didn't get a lot
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of their infrastructure, we didn't get
a lot of their their culture. It's
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it's very interesting, like there are
aspects of the remind me of Cleanon culture,
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their aspects that remind me of Romulin
culture. But so it definitely positions
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them as a formidable adversary, not
just for the size of their ship,
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the size of their army, but
their their approach to what could have been
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a diplomatic situation. But they were
just absolute in their demands. Yeah,
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and I really I really got the
vibes like when we first were introduced to
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the board in the Next Generation.
I mean, I know this isn't bring
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first introduction to us, but I
really got those really those vibes in this
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episode from them where you're just like, man, we are at the edge,
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like this is doom. You know
how they get how's the Federation when
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you get out of this? You
know, I had all of those vibes
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going on in this episode. Yeah, and you're right, Scott. I
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mean, you know, back in
Deep Space nine when we saw them,
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they were being used simply as foot
soldiers, and here now we're actually seeing
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them as a direct threat to the
Federation. You know, I'm not sure
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how they managed to survive and flourish
during you know, after the burn,
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when when the Federation and all the
other races seem to be decimated, but
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the fact that they haven't stepped foot
in that part of the galaxy and that
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part of the Federation could be a
reason for it. But I like the
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fact that we're now exploring this race
that we've heard about for decades. We're
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finally seeing and learning more about them, you know, And you know,
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this is another episode that Rainer gets
to shine. Oh yeah, you know,
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so many episodes in a row.
Now we have seen his character just
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grow and grow and grow. We
keep talking about it. But he gives
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Burnham the answer of what she needs
to do to get them out of this
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situation. Didn't realize it, and
she uses that, you know, to
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use the primark and all them against
each other, you know, And it
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was brilliant. It really wasn't how
she got out of that. I mean,
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granted, it's a big mess at
the end that it turned into thanks
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to mold, but you know,
still, I thought that was really cool
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on how they made Rayner give the
answer and not realize it. And we
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got more background on him, you
know, yeah, we did. You
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know, he has a pass with
the brain, he lost his family.
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It just for a character that was
just introduced his season. He's getting a
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lot of doubts he is too,
and I'm glad. I really like his
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character, you know. And at
first he was rubbing me the wrong way
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and and he it was meant to
be like that. He even did that
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with Burnham, you know, and
then Burnham again in this episode had to
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like back him down a little bit. But you can tell they respect one
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another. It's not at that level
that we get with riker in a card.
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But you can still see that respect
for one another right there, even
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though there's that rubbing the wrong way
sometimes, you know, yeah, yeah,
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And he's definitely true to his word, right He's not going to change
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who he is. He's respectful of
Burnham's command, he's respectful of Admiral of
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Vance and of everybody else in the
room. But he's definitely going to make
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his opinion heard. And given his
history of the brain, I think he
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has every right to when they use
his background as his info to try to
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negotiate their way out of that brain
situation that I wouldn't want to play poker
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with anybody in that room because they
had to have ice in their veins to
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get through that. Like at first, they called them on it and they
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were like, you know, a
little kid wouldn't buy this ploy that you're
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trying, and they went they doubled
down and went deeper and deeper into it,
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and ultimately it worked. But man, that was a tense situation.
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Another thing that I really loved that
they did here is when the brain appeared
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right away, you know, on
the star base there. I love how
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the primemark refused to talk in English. You know, he had his translator
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do it for him. He eventually
would, and I think he even made
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the comment, you know, I'm
going to speak in your tongue just so
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that you understand me or whatever it
was. But I love at first you
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could tell he's got He's at that
where I'm above you and I'm not going
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to speak in your tongue because I
feel that's very disrespectful to me, you
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know, It's what it felt like
he was he was giving those vibes.
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I thought that was really well done. Yeah, and I love the sound
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design of their speech patterns. Oh
yeah, whether they're speaking in their native
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language. Yeah, it's just so
cool and so we're fine is so much
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better than what we've heard before.
Ye yeah, yeah. I love the
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negotiation scenes that they had between bring
And and Terina. You know, you're
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right, you know, it's like
she was she was cool, but she's
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a vulcan, you know. It's
I think Tera Rostling plays uh Terina wonderfully.
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I haven't really talked too much about
her so far, but I think
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she's doing a fantastic job. It's
nice seeing seeing more of her in this
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episode. Plus we got to see
a lot more of jet Reno again and
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that's I always love seeing her.
We've hardly seen her this season, and
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yeah, and we're learning, you
know, I'm really curious about her background.
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Every time we see her, we
learn a little bit more about her
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and the more I like her.
Yep, yep, yeah, I think
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you know, we we always talk
about the visual effects of this show.
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Man, they just impress you in
every episode. That just keeps coming.
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You know, the Bring ship showing
up and just how gigantic it was and
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just dwarfed over everything. But the
beginning again, they they like to blow
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you out of the water with those
really incredible shots. You know, we
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get that the opening shot of Locke
and Mall that are in that it's not
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in a skate pod, it's a
what is that thats like, I don't
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know if it's a shuttle. It
was something in the records, but you
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know, they go from that and
then they they move over to Discovery and
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all in like one shot and they
go into the ships as they're walking and
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talking. Man. I just love
how they do that stuff. Man,
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It's so cool. Yeah, and
that coded special offer, I thought that
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was kind of a nice touch that
that's SOS for courriers. Yeah, I
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think a fascinating development we got here
was Locke's lineage and where he fits with
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their their's, you know, societal
structure. It seems like he's well positioned
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to if he's brought back from the
dead, which I assume, I mean
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we called that a while ago as
soon as they kind of mentioned the progenitors,
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I might be able to bring people
back to life. I wonder if
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we'll use that right. It does
make me curious to see if that's going
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to be you know, a possible
turning point for the brain. If he's
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brought back and he takes the leadership
of the breed, Yeah, he'd be
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willing to, you know, at
least open talks. I don't think it's
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going to be you know, we're
all friends. But I thought that was
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a very interesting development that he's somebody
who has the keys to the to the
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kingdom basically, but doesn't want it
right. Not everybody else wants it exactly
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right right. You know. Another
thing that there's so many cool scenes in
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this episode. I love the fighting
sequence that did when male was escaping.
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I thought that was choreographed extremely well. So whoever the choreographing of this episode.
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They did an outstanding job in that
fight sequence, even Colbart getting in
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there and you know, giving his
punches and trying to stop her from escaping.
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But I think what really got me
really like, whoa did that just
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happen? And you see it in
Burnham's face too, when Male turns on
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them and actually goes with the Breen
and you know, you know, they
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don't want you to find out what
I know and what they're looking for,
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and she totally turns on them and
uses everything to her advantage to not only
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against the Brain but against the Federation
too. I just thought that was a
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really cool twist. I mean,
you could see it in Berno's face,
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you son of a bitch. Yeah, yeah, you see it. It
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was very chest like, right,
like all these pieces being moved in and
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getting to see her leverage their marriage
as a way to not only save Locke
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possibly but wipe out is Erica at
the same time. M hm, damn.
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That was clever. It was.
It seems like it's a very gun
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that's been just waiting to be used. But what's one of the situations that
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you think that's not gonna happen.
They're not going to go that way?
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You know where they're going to.
You know a character is going to team
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up with the brain and just go
on. I mean, you see what
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she's doing. You really do.
She's using to bring to her advantage,
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of course, but you don't really
think they're going to go that route,
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and then when they do, you're
like, well, damn they did,
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so Gond talk to the writers.
Well done. As far as cast,
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it was great to see Commander None
come back. She's always been a favorite
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character of Line. We've only seen
her occasionally, but her introduction here.
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We saw that in the preview clip
as kind of the head of security in
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this situation, and like you said
in that the choreography, seeing None in
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those fight scenes was was very refreshing. I thought that was very appropriate for
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that character. Well, let's move
on to the section of this series where
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we usually talk about which character shine
the most. Dave, what's your pick?
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I'm gonna go with the Moon again. Eve Harlow did an outstanding job
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in this role, but not only
with her incredible fight quence sequence that we
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see where she escapes even though she
doesn't really get too far, which we
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knew she wouldn't anyway, but we
get to see how much she loves Locke
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and how deeply in love with Locke
that she is, and how much she
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cares for him, and you know, you get the understanding of that character
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going forward, and you see going
back of why she's doing what she's doing.
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But her intelligence. You know,
she not only can fight, but
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she's smart, and she uses that
to her advantage. She doesn't care who
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she tricks. She doesn't care who
she uses except Locke because she cares deeply
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for him and will protect him at
all costs. But you know, when
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she sees that she's backed into a
corner, she realizes what she needs to
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do. She plays the chess game
and she decides with Brain to get out
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of that situation with the Federation and
sees that that's her way out. How
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she gonna do it. I'm looking
forward to seeing that. But man,
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I just thought she shine in this
episode. Yeah, there's a lot that's
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it'll be very interesting to see.
We've only got a couple episodes left to
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see exactly how they unravel all this
stuff and then end the series. It'll
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be very interesting. Wayne. What
about you, Well, I agree with
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you one hundred percent, David.
I think as a single character. She
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she just shined over everybody else.
But I'm going to give it to the
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Breen Race, actually the whole race
itself, because you know, this episode
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has just been a fascinating look into
a star trek race that has really been
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a mystery to us for many years. And you know, with every appearance
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they've made this season, I believe
this is well other than Locke, we
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get to learn a little bit more
about them each time. We know.
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We now know about their command structure, we know about their relationships, their
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their sense of honor, the fact
that it's the first visit to the Federation
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at eight hundred years. You know, I'm really enjoying that, the fact
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that the writers and producers chose this
unexpected, you know, race from a
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long time ago to peer because this
is a surprise. I when this before
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the season even started, I had
no idea that this would be one of
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the main villains of the season.
And I'm enjoying it. I'm really enjoying
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it. Yeah, Yeah, they're
really using them to great effect. Yeah,
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good call on that, Wayne,
that's good, good choice, good
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choice. Scott, what about you, Well, so it's interesting I kind
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of have something to common with both
of your choices, Dave, because I
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found it very hard to choose between
Mull and Locke. I must have rewritten
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this like two or three times and
then I was like, it's one,
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it's the other. But Wayne,
you know, I'm going to give it
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to our main Breen Locke. I
think there was so much more significance and
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depth given to his character, not
only his emotional investment with Mal, but
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his understanding of his role in the
Breen Empire and his complete disdain for it.
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And you know, there are things
worse than death. He doesn't want
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to go back. He hates everything
that he's forced into, not necessarily everything
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that he hates about his home world, probably in his culture, but where
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he is being kind of positioned and
probably used in that that heartfelt, yes
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yet misguided plot to help Mall escape. Kind of unfortunate that he had to
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use the entire dose. I'm sure
he couldn't just kind of pick and choose
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and make it not as bad,
but he essentially ended his own life.
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It seems like his willingness to you
know, self sacrifice for those that he
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loves, his temperament. It seems
like, like I said before, he'd
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be well suited to leave the Breed
into the future without necessarily compromising who they
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are if he has the chance or
any kind of interest in doing so.
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Yeah, No, it's it's a
good a good choice, Scott. Those
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two characters are just so fantastic and
written so well. I love them both,
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and it is if you went either
way, you're it's a choice,
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all three. Everybody's got a good
choice on this one, for sure.
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I think all three of us will
agree that that the writers have done a
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fantastic job at creating an antigetus this
season. We oh, yeah, they're
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they're the highlight. They're really the
highlight of the season. We're we love
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watching them. And what's what's cool
about you know, we've always know that
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a good villain you care about them, right, Yes, and yes,
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these these almost are they villains?
Are they not villains? Because we see
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what they're doing, we see what
they're trying to do. I know they're
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using things and doing things that they
really shouldn't, But you feel for them,
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and that's what you should for a
villain, because if you care for
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them, you're gonna care about the
story. And that's where we're at.
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Because of so many different layers.
You know, it's they're not just you
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know, a one sided villains,
you know, two dimensional characters. These
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are three dimensional, great creations by
the writers, and that's why we we
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care about them, That's why we
want to know more about them exactly.
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Yeah, So, of all the
characters that we've seen in this episode,
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who would it have if you could
be any one of these characters? Wayne,
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who would be? And why?
Well, to be honest, I'm
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not sure i'd want to be anybody
in this week's episode, right, They're
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all all in a really bad spot. I wouldn't want to be looking down
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the brains guns, you know.
But I guess, I guess I'm gonna
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choose Reno just because I've liked your
character and she just she has such an
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interesting background that we learn more and
more about her, and you know,
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she's she's got so many great stories
to tell, and you know, it's
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a pity that the series is coming
to an end because I'd really like to
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see more and explore her character in
some of this background, some of this
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knowledge she knows. You know,
I'm hoping that once the series ends that
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you know, other writers will take
her character, like in novels and comics
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and and expand her stories because we
just, for me, we just don't
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have enough of her. Yeah.
I think that makes me think I'd love
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to see her in Starfleet Academy.
Yeah, oh yeah, kid, Betsy
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very happy. That would be fantastic. Seeing her as a teacher, Oh
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my god, that would be hysterical. Yes, I totally watched that,
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Dave, what about you? Who's
your pick? So before I give my
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answer, I do want to make
one call out from a character in this
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episode, and that's Tilly. I
want to call out her the fact that
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she was heading back to protect her
students. Yeah yeah, and then you
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know she was stopped. Stems you
know, says we need you, we
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need to figure this out. You
know, he basically had to talk her
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into not leaving. But I just
want to call her out for that because
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she was showing respect to her students
and was going to go protect them and
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fight with them. I thought that
was awesome of that character. But my
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answer, and it's kind of funny
because it's going kind of where Wayne was
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talking about, I didn't want to
be anybody that was in this episode.
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Technically he's not in it, but
he's mentioned I want to be so rude
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because he is far far away from
the fight, so nothing up as far
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as possible. Good choice about your
buddy, hard choice, like on the
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one hand, like you said,
as far away as possible. On the
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other hand, there's so many people
that had so many important roles in this,
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so many dynamic roles. I'd go
with Paul Stamens kind of unraveling that
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Betazoid mystery, having to look at
it from different angles, work on with
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different experts on different parts of the
team to try to figure out where they
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had to go. It seems like
kind of a language based mystery, which
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I've always thought was interesting anytime they
had the DC works where you'd have Kryptonian
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or Interlack that you'd have to translate
for the Legion to Superheroes. Although you
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were always fascinating, so despite the
tension and the pressure of that situation,
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I'd be fascinated to be on that
team and just to see where it goes.
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I do think it's a little slightly
disappointing that it doesn't seem like we're
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going to go to Beta's. Here's
a clue that it takes it a bit
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of that, but not quite You're
just going to go to the giant traveling
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intergalactic bookmobile, Yeah, and try
to find this one work that's hopefully not
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in the landfall. I mean,
I guess we've we've been to Beta Z
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before, so you know, maybe
they just figured we'd seen enough of it.
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Yep, exactly, I get.
How about easter eggs, there were
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a few in this episode. Rayner
mentions using thoron fields and duranium shadows to
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make Starfleet Headquarters look like it's more
heavily armored. I laughed when he said
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that, because I recognized it right
away. This is the same tactic that
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Commander Cisco used against the Kardashians and
the Space nine's pilot episode Emissary when they
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were trying to Yeah, yeah,
and Tilly states at the last time the
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brain where in Federation space was eight
hundred years ago. That is a direct
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reference to the event when the Green
attacked San Francisco during the Dominion War and
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the seventh season episode The Changing Face
of Evil, which is right at the
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end of the season, really good
episode if you want to want to catch
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that. I'm sure we'll be talking
about that when we get to Deep Space
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nine. Oh yeah, and I
look forward to the season two and then
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the final The final big easter egg
I noticed was at the end of the
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episode when Discovery warps off to the
bad Lands. This is that area of
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space between Beijor and Cardassia which is
known for its plasma storms. That's where
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the Marquis used to hide during between
their attacks during Deep Space nine, and
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it's also where the USS Voyager was
when they were pulled and flung off to
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the Delta Quadrant in their pilot episode
Caretaker. Oh interesting, and we get
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to see it next season our next
season, sorry, next episode. It
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was yeah, right, I know. Did you guys notice that this is
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like the second time they mentioned tribles
this season. Yes, they must love
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the tribles in this season apparently.
Yeah, they'll be in Starfleet Academy tribles
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to their teachers, and I would
no, this will be a great a
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great place to kind of look at
ties to those series. I kind of
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wonder if we're going to see some
easter eggs in the bad Lands. I
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kind of doubt it. It's not
like there's going to be you know,
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ships floating through, but they're they're
making so many ties it'll be it'll be
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fascinating to see where that goes.
It will be and I think we're see
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some interesting things in our next episode. Yeah, really called labyrinths. And
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look from the clip that I've seen, there's kind of a a librarian that
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greets them and kind of walks them
through it says, I just want to
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take you through this, this little
introductory speech that we always do, and
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then they're kind of like, yeah, can we skip this? And sure
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we're not responsible for any destruction,
dismemberment or death that if you don't listen
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to what it was. That was
a fun clip. I actually liked this
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episode and and at first I thought
the library and didn't she looked kling On.
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But I'm I'm making a guest here. I think she's Euphrosian. I
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think she said the same race that
the Federation president was in Star Trek six
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on this covered country. The ridges
on her forehead kind of matched what he
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did, plus the white hair,
So I'm thinking, you know, I
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said, I think I was mistake. I don't think she's clinging. I
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think she's that good call off that
is. I think it'll be very interesting
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to see there's first I mean,
you know, it's probably I'm being a
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little too obvious here, but it
gave me some doctor who vibes like from
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the the David Tennant. Oh yeah, specifically, I see that excelence in
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the library where it's like, you
know, it should just be a place
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with a lot of books, but
it's actually going to be very very perilous.
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So but you but you do you
think David Bowie is going to show
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up if Jennifer Connelly is in it? Well, thanks for joining us for
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Space the final Frontier. Join us
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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
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and I'm Wayne Whiten, and we're
continuing the coverage of the newest boy
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in the franchise with Star Trek Discovery
Season five, the final season. Today
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we're covering episode seven, Araga.
But before we get too much further,
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as always black Alert, there's spoilers
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So, without further ado, Dave, can you reminder our viewers what
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happened in this last episode? I
sure can as you said, it's episode
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seven Arago, written by m Raven
Metzner and directed by John Dudikowski. Mole
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and Lock have been captured by the
Federation in our beamed on board the Discovery,
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where it has learned that Locke is
badly injured and it's fading fast.
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But to make matters worse, the
Brain are on the way, demanding fugitives
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be turned over to them, knowing
they can't turn them over because of their
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knowledge of what they are seeking.
A solution must be made, and that
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includes making a stand against the breen
Burnaman Crue worked fiercely to find an answer
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from not only Mole and Locke,
but also the next piece of the puzzle
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and to save the Federation from certain
destruction. Yeah. This, I'm sure
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we all agree. This was another
great episode. Yeah, absolutely, going
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in such a good direction, and
this was I think it's what we've been
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wanting. Even though you know,
following the Progenitor quest has been really exciting,
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it's it's interesting to take a kind
of a pause in that and get
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a little bit more info on Molon
Blocke's relationship and to spend a little bit
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more time with them. I think
one of the one of the greatest things
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about this season in this episode,
really it shines in is the relationship between
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mol and Locke. I really love
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one another, and it really really
shines in this episode, especially later on
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in it. You know, when
when Locke and Mall are standing there and
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you know, I think it was
the doctor who was standing there trying to
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understand, uh, their relationship.
We're not really a relationship, but you
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know, trying to say that he
understands what Locke was, you know,
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coming from, and I mean Locke
was basically, no, you don't know
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any of that. She does.
She loves me for who I am,
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our differences, you know, something
along those lines. But it was just
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written so well. And when he
said that, damn man, this is
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a really good relationship we're seeing in
this season. Yeah, it loves me
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for the difference, is not despite
them. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
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Yeah. Yeah, you know,
we finally we've had three stories that
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we've followed this season. Here finally
in this episode they've all come together,
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and you know it, it actually
works this as you said, this episode,
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we needed it, you know.
Plus we get the the actual Breen
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entering the picture finally, you know
that, you know, it's much different
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from their presence like eight hundred years
back from Deep Space nine they were.
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They're very formidable in this episode there
right now, you know Starflee doesn't stand
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a chance against them. I'm interested
in that. I mean, it had
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me glued to the screen the entire
episode. Would you see the size of
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that ship? Yeah, that Dreadnought
is crazy. Yeah, yeah, no,
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it really does. It did a
great job of reinforcing the threat of
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the breed. When they were working
with the Dominion, it was almost like
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they were a little bit more like
soldiers, Like they didn't get a lot
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of their infrastructure, we didn't get
a lot of their their culture. It's
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it's very interesting, like there are
aspects of the remind me of Cleanon culture,
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their aspects that remind me of Romulin
culture. But so it definitely positions
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them as a formidable adversary, not
just for the size of their ship,
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the size of their army, but
their their approach to what could have been
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a diplomatic situation. But they were
just absolute in their demands. Yeah,
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and I really I really got the
vibes like when we first were introduced to
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the board in the Next Generation.
I mean, I know this isn't bring
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first introduction to us, but I
really got those really those vibes in this
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episode from them where you're just like, man, we are at the edge,
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like this is doom. You know
how they get how's the Federation when
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you get out of this? You
know, I had all of those vibes
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going on in this episode. Yeah, and you're right, Scott. I
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mean, you know, back in
Deep Space nine when we saw them,
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they were being used simply as foot
soldiers, and here now we're actually seeing
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them as a direct threat to the
Federation. You know, I'm not sure
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how they managed to survive and flourish
during you know, after the burn,
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when when the Federation and all the
other races seem to be decimated, but
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the fact that they haven't stepped foot
in that part of the galaxy and that
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part of the Federation could be a
reason for it. But I like the
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fact that we're now exploring this race
that we've heard about for decades. We're
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finally seeing and learning more about them, you know, And you know,
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this is another episode that Rainer gets
to shine. Oh yeah, you know,
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so many episodes in a row.
Now we have seen his character just
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grow and grow and grow. We
keep talking about it. But he gives
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Burnham the answer of what she needs
to do to get them out of this
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situation. Didn't realize it, and
she uses that, you know, to
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use the primark and all them against
each other, you know, And it
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was brilliant. It really wasn't how
she got out of that. I mean,
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granted, it's a big mess at
the end that it turned into thanks
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to mold, but you know,
still, I thought that was really cool
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on how they made Rayner give the
answer and not realize it. And we
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got more background on him, you
know, yeah, we did. You
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know, he has a pass with
the brain, he lost his family.
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It just for a character that was
just introduced his season. He's getting a
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lot of doubts he is too,
and I'm glad. I really like his
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character, you know. And at
first he was rubbing me the wrong way
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and and he it was meant to
be like that. He even did that
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with Burnham, you know, and
then Burnham again in this episode had to
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like back him down a little bit. But you can tell they respect one
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another. It's not at that level
that we get with riker in a card.
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for one another right there, even
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though there's that rubbing the wrong way
sometimes, you know, yeah, yeah,
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who he is. He's respectful of
Burnham's command, he's respectful of Admiral of
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Vance and of everybody else in the
room. But he's definitely going to make
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his opinion heard. And given his
history of the brain, I think he
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has every right to when they use
his background as his info to try to
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negotiate their way out of that brain
situation that I wouldn't want to play poker
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with anybody in that room because they
had to have ice in their veins to
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get through that. Like at first, they called them on it and they
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were like, you know, a
little kid wouldn't buy this ploy that you're
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trying, and they went they doubled
down and went deeper and deeper into it,
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and ultimately it worked. But man, that was a tense situation.
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Another thing that I really loved that
they did here is when the brain appeared
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right away, you know, on
the star base there. I love how
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the primemark refused to talk in English. You know, he had his translator
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do it for him. He eventually
would, and I think he even made
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the comment, you know, I'm
going to speak in your tongue just so
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that you understand me or whatever it
was. But I love at first you
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could tell he's got He's at that
where I'm above you and I'm not going
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to speak in your tongue because I
feel that's very disrespectful to me, you
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know, It's what it felt like
he was he was giving those vibes.
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I thought that was really well done. Yeah, and I love the sound
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design of their speech patterns. Oh
yeah, whether they're speaking in their native
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language. Yeah, it's just so
cool and so we're fine is so much
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better than what we've heard before.
Ye yeah, yeah. I love the
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negotiation scenes that they had between bring
And and Terina. You know, you're
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right, you know, it's like
she was she was cool, but she's
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a vulcan, you know. It's
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I haven't really talked too much about
her so far, but I think
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she's doing a fantastic job. It's
nice seeing seeing more of her in this
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episode. Plus we got to see
a lot more of jet Reno again and
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that's I always love seeing her.
We've hardly seen her this season, and
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yeah, and we're learning, you
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Every time we see her, we
learn a little bit more about her
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and the more I like her.
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you know, we we always talk
about the visual effects of this show.
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Man, they just impress you in
every episode. That just keeps coming.
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You know, the Bring ship showing
up and just how gigantic it was and
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just dwarfed over everything. But the
beginning again, they they like to blow
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you out of the water with those
really incredible shots. You know, we
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get that the opening shot of Locke
and Mall that are in that it's not
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in a skate pod, it's a
what is that thats like, I don't
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know if it's a shuttle. It
was something in the records, but you
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know, they go from that and
then they they move over to Discovery and
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all in like one shot and they
go into the ships as they're walking and
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talking. Man. I just love
how they do that stuff. Man,
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It's so cool. Yeah, and
that coded special offer, I thought that
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was kind of a nice touch that
that's SOS for courriers. Yeah, I
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think a fascinating development we got here
was Locke's lineage and where he fits with
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their their's, you know, societal
structure. It seems like he's well positioned
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to if he's brought back from the
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we called that a while ago as
soon as they kind of mentioned the progenitors,
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I might be able to bring people
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we'll use that right. It does
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to be you know, a possible
turning point for the brain. If he's
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brought back and he takes the leadership
of the breed, Yeah, he'd be
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willing to, you know, at
least open talks. I don't think it's
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going to be you know, we're
all friends. But I thought that was
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a very interesting development that he's somebody
who has the keys to the to the
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kingdom basically, but doesn't want it
right. Not everybody else wants it exactly
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right right. You know. Another
thing that there's so many cool scenes in
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this episode. I love the fighting
sequence that did when male was escaping.
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I thought that was choreographed extremely well. So whoever the choreographing of this episode.
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They did an outstanding job in that
fight sequence, even Colbart getting in
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there and you know, giving his
punches and trying to stop her from escaping.
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But I think what really got me
really like, whoa did that just
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happen? And you see it in
Burnham's face too, when Male turns on
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them and actually goes with the Breen
and you know, you know, they
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don't want you to find out what
I know and what they're looking for,
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and she totally turns on them and
uses everything to her advantage to not only
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against the Brain but against the Federation
too. I just thought that was a
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really cool twist. I mean,
you could see it in Berno's face,
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you son of a bitch. Yeah, yeah, you see it. It
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was very chest like, right,
like all these pieces being moved in and
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getting to see her leverage their marriage
as a way to not only save Locke
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possibly but wipe out is Erica at
the same time. M hm, damn.
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That was clever. It was.
It seems like it's a very gun
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that's been just waiting to be used. But what's one of the situations that
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you think that's not gonna happen.
They're not going to go that way?
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You know where they're going to.
You know a character is going to team
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up with the brain and just go
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she's doing. You really do.
She's using to bring to her advantage,
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of course, but you don't really
think they're going to go that route,
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and then when they do, you're
like, well, damn they did,
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so Gond talk to the writers.
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it was great to see Commander None
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character of Line. We've only seen
her occasionally, but her introduction here.
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We saw that in the preview clip
as kind of the head of security in
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this situation, and like you said
in that the choreography, seeing None in
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those fight scenes was was very refreshing. I thought that was very appropriate for
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that character. Well, let's move
on to the section of this series where
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we usually talk about which character shine
the most. Dave, what's your pick?
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I'm gonna go with the Moon again. Eve Harlow did an outstanding job
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in this role, but not only
with her incredible fight quence sequence that we
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see where she escapes even though she
doesn't really get too far, which we
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knew she wouldn't anyway, but we
get to see how much she loves Locke
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and how deeply in love with Locke
that she is, and how much she
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cares for him, and you know, you get the understanding of that character
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going forward, and you see going
back of why she's doing what she's doing.
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But her intelligence. You know,
she not only can fight, but
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she's smart, and she uses that
to her advantage. She doesn't care who
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she tricks. She doesn't care who
she uses except Locke because she cares deeply
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for him and will protect him at
all costs. But you know, when
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she sees that she's backed into a
corner, she realizes what she needs to
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do. She plays the chess game
and she decides with Brain to get out
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of that situation with the Federation and
sees that that's her way out. How
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she gonna do it. I'm looking
forward to seeing that. But man,
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I just thought she shine in this
episode. Yeah, there's a lot that's
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it'll be very interesting to see.
We've only got a couple episodes left to
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see exactly how they unravel all this
stuff and then end the series. It'll
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be very interesting. Wayne. What
about you, Well, I agree with
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you one hundred percent, David.
I think as a single character. She
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she just shined over everybody else.
But I'm going to give it to the
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Breen Race, actually the whole race
itself, because you know, this episode
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has just been a fascinating look into
a star trek race that has really been
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a mystery to us for many years. And you know, with every appearance
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they've made this season, I believe
this is well other than Locke, we
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get to learn a little bit more
about them each time. We know.
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We now know about their command structure, we know about their relationships, their
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their sense of honor, the fact
that it's the first visit to the Federation
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at eight hundred years. You know, I'm really enjoying that, the fact
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that the writers and producers chose this
unexpected, you know, race from a
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long time ago to peer because this
is a surprise. I when this before
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the season even started, I had
no idea that this would be one of
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the main villains of the season.
And I'm enjoying it. I'm really enjoying
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it. Yeah, Yeah, they're
really using them to great effect. Yeah,
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good call on that, Wayne,
that's good, good choice, good
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choice. Scott, what about you, Well, so it's interesting I kind
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of have something to common with both
of your choices, Dave, because I
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found it very hard to choose between
Mull and Locke. I must have rewritten
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this like two or three times and
then I was like, it's one,
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it's the other. But Wayne,
you know, I'm going to give it
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to our main Breen Locke. I
think there was so much more significance and
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depth given to his character, not
only his emotional investment with Mal, but
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his understanding of his role in the
Breen Empire and his complete disdain for it.
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And you know, there are things
worse than death. He doesn't want
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to go back. He hates everything
that he's forced into, not necessarily everything
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that he hates about his home world, probably in his culture, but where
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he is being kind of positioned and
probably used in that that heartfelt, yes
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yet misguided plot to help Mall escape. Kind of unfortunate that he had to
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use the entire dose. I'm sure
he couldn't just kind of pick and choose
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and make it not as bad,
but he essentially ended his own life.
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It seems like his willingness to you
know, self sacrifice for those that he
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loves, his temperament. It seems
like, like I said before, he'd
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be well suited to leave the Breed
into the future without necessarily compromising who they
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are if he has the chance or
any kind of interest in doing so.
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Yeah, No, it's it's a
good a good choice, Scott. Those
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two characters are just so fantastic and
written so well. I love them both,
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and it is if you went either
way, you're it's a choice,
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all three. Everybody's got a good
choice on this one, for sure.
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I think all three of us will
agree that that the writers have done a
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fantastic job at creating an antigetus this
season. We oh, yeah, they're
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they're the highlight. They're really the
highlight of the season. We're we love
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watching them. And what's what's cool
about you know, we've always know that
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a good villain you care about them, right, Yes, and yes,
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these these almost are they villains?
Are they not villains? Because we see
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what they're doing, we see what
they're trying to do. I know they're
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using things and doing things that they
really shouldn't, But you feel for them,
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and that's what you should for a
villain, because if you care for
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them, you're gonna care about the
story. And that's where we're at.
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Because of so many different layers.
You know, it's they're not just you
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know, a one sided villains,
you know, two dimensional characters. These
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are three dimensional, great creations by
the writers, and that's why we we
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care about them, That's why we
want to know more about them exactly.
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Yeah, So, of all the
characters that we've seen in this episode,
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who would it have if you could
be any one of these characters? Wayne,
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who would be? And why?
Well, to be honest, I'm
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not sure i'd want to be anybody
in this week's episode, right, They're
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all all in a really bad spot. I wouldn't want to be looking down
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the brains guns, you know.
But I guess, I guess I'm gonna
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choose Reno just because I've liked your
character and she just she has such an
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interesting background that we learn more and
more about her, and you know,
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she's she's got so many great stories
to tell, and you know, it's
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a pity that the series is coming
to an end because I'd really like to
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see more and explore her character in
some of this background, some of this
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knowledge she knows. You know,
I'm hoping that once the series ends that
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you know, other writers will take
her character, like in novels and comics
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and and expand her stories because we
just, for me, we just don't
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have enough of her. Yeah.
I think that makes me think I'd love
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to see her in Starfleet Academy.
Yeah, oh yeah, kid, Betsy
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very happy. That would be fantastic. Seeing her as a teacher, Oh
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my god, that would be hysterical. Yes, I totally watched that,
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Dave, what about you? Who's
your pick? So before I give my
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answer, I do want to make
one call out from a character in this
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episode, and that's Tilly. I
want to call out her the fact that
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she was heading back to protect her
students. Yeah yeah, and then you
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know she was stopped. Stems you
know, says we need you, we
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need to figure this out. You
know, he basically had to talk her
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into not leaving. But I just
want to call her out for that because
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she was showing respect to her students
and was going to go protect them and
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fight with them. I thought that
was awesome of that character. But my
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answer, and it's kind of funny
because it's going kind of where Wayne was
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talking about, I didn't want to
be anybody that was in this episode.
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Technically he's not in it, but
he's mentioned I want to be so rude
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because he is far far away from
the fight, so nothing up as far
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as possible. Good choice about your
buddy, hard choice, like on the
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one hand, like you said,
as far away as possible. On the
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other hand, there's so many people
that had so many important roles in this,
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so many dynamic roles. I'd go
with Paul Stamens kind of unraveling that
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Betazoid mystery, having to look at
it from different angles, work on with
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different experts on different parts of the
team to try to figure out where they
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had to go. It seems like
kind of a language based mystery, which
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I've always thought was interesting anytime they
had the DC works where you'd have Kryptonian
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or Interlack that you'd have to translate
for the Legion to Superheroes. Although you
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were always fascinating, so despite the
tension and the pressure of that situation,
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I'd be fascinated to be on that
team and just to see where it goes.
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I do think it's a little slightly
disappointing that it doesn't seem like we're
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going to go to Beta's. Here's
a clue that it takes it a bit
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of that, but not quite You're
just going to go to the giant traveling
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intergalactic bookmobile, Yeah, and try
to find this one work that's hopefully not
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in the landfall. I mean,
I guess we've we've been to Beta Z
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before, so you know, maybe
they just figured we'd seen enough of it.
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Yep, exactly, I get.
How about easter eggs, there were
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a few in this episode. Rayner
mentions using thoron fields and duranium shadows to
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make Starfleet Headquarters look like it's more
heavily armored. I laughed when he said
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that, because I recognized it right
away. This is the same tactic that
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Commander Cisco used against the Kardashians and
the Space nine's pilot episode Emissary when they
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were trying to Yeah, yeah,
and Tilly states at the last time the
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brain where in Federation space was eight
hundred years ago. That is a direct
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reference to the event when the Green
attacked San Francisco during the Dominion War and
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the seventh season episode The Changing Face
of Evil, which is right at the
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end of the season, really good
episode if you want to want to catch
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that. I'm sure we'll be talking
about that when we get to Deep Space
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nine. Oh yeah, and I
look forward to the season two and then
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the final The final big easter egg
I noticed was at the end of the
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episode when Discovery warps off to the
bad Lands. This is that area of
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space between Beijor and Cardassia which is
known for its plasma storms. That's where
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the Marquis used to hide during between
their attacks during Deep Space nine, and
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it's also where the USS Voyager was
when they were pulled and flung off to
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the Delta Quadrant in their pilot episode
Caretaker. Oh interesting, and we get
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to see it next season our next
season, sorry, next episode. It
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was yeah, right, I know. Did you guys notice that this is
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like the second time they mentioned tribles
this season. Yes, they must love
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the tribles in this season apparently.
Yeah, they'll be in Starfleet Academy tribles
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to their teachers, and I would
no, this will be a great a
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great place to kind of look at
ties to those series. I kind of
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wonder if we're going to see some
easter eggs in the bad Lands. I
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kind of doubt it. It's not
like there's going to be you know,
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ships floating through, but they're they're
making so many ties it'll be it'll be
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fascinating to see where that goes.
It will be and I think we're see
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some interesting things in our next episode. Yeah, really called labyrinths. And
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look from the clip that I've seen, there's kind of a a librarian that
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greets them and kind of walks them
through it says, I just want to
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take you through this, this little
introductory speech that we always do, and
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then they're kind of like, yeah, can we skip this? And sure
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we're not responsible for any destruction,
dismemberment or death that if you don't listen
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to what it was. That was
a fun clip. I actually liked this
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episode and and at first I thought
the library and didn't she looked kling On.
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But I'm I'm making a guest here. I think she's Euphrosian. I
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think she said the same race that
the Federation president was in Star Trek six
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on this covered country. The ridges
on her forehead kind of matched what he
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did, plus the white hair,
So I'm thinking, you know, I
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said, I think I was mistake. I don't think she's clinging. I
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think she's that good call off that
is. I think it'll be very interesting
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to see there's first I mean,
you know, it's probably I'm being a
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little too obvious here, but it
gave me some doctor who vibes like from
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the the David Tennant. Oh yeah, specifically, I see that excelence in
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the library where it's like, you
know, it should just be a place
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with a lot of books, but
it's actually going to be very very perilous.
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So but you but you do you
think David Bowie is going to show
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up if Jennifer Connelly is in it? Well, thanks for joining us for
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