Phasers Set To Stun: recapping Discovery: Jinaal

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tonight and talk about the new episode, I want to bring up the latest

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news in the world of Star Trek. For those listeners who haven't heard,

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Paramount Plus has renewed the series Strange
New Worlds for a fourth season. We

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have the yeah woo, I agree. Yes, we have the third season

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coming up for us early next year, and we're excited to learn the more

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adventures with Captain Pike and the Enterprise
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was that the upcoming season for Star
Trek Lower Decks is the fifth season,

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will be its last. We've really
enjoyed watching and talking about this series as

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well, and we're sad to hear
that it's ending. Yeah. I would

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love to see so much more from
Lower Decks. I really really would too.

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We maybe we're going to be in
for a great year. I know

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it sure, and it's it's been
a great ride so far. We're,

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you know, really looking forward to
seeing what the Serrita's crew have in store

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for us later this year. Well, now we are truly into the mission

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that is Star Trek Discovery Season five, the series final season. The first

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two episodes, which we covered in
the last podcast, has us traveling from

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Starfleet headquarters to the deserts of q
Maw, then to the burial planet Lyric,

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and now the mystery of the Progenitor's
secrets are beginning to unfold. But

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we still have quite a journey ahead
of us until we get to that finish

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line. I got to give you
credit for getting through those planets. Man,

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that's me too. Wow, that's
Supressus. You got like this phonetic

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thing right up there, ready,
for it I do. Today we are

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looking in on episode three titled Jannal, written by Kyle Harrow and Lauren Wilkinson

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and directed by Andy Rmenjurian. So
this is black alert, folks. There

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are spoilers ahead, and if you
haven't seen this episode, please stop and

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beam yourself to the nearest television set
to catch it on Paramount Plus. Then

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come back and rejoin us for this
discussion. All right, Scott, why

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don't you give us a short summary
of the episode. Janell is the name

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of an eight hundred year old Trill
symbion who holds the latest clue to this

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season's mystery. We follow Discovery back
to the Trill home world to tap into

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Jannell's memory and find where another piece
of the puzzle is hiding on Trill.

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As part of the away team,
this trip allows Adira to reunite with Gray

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for the first time in several months
to talk about their relationship the Guy.

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The rest of the team includes doctor
Culbert, who absorbs Jannell's consciousness as a

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guide for Captain Burnham and Cleveland Booker
to pursue the progenitor artifact. Meanwhile,

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back in Discovery, First Officer Rayner
reluctantly meets the rest of the crew in

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twenty words of less at a time
while frustrating Tilly. And we also continue

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to follow Ambassador Saru as he tries
to balance his relationship with Trina and whose

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responsibilities to the Federation. So there's
a lot to pack into this episode,

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but I got to say, my
personal opinion, this felt like it's a

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step in the right direction. It
felt like it was starting to get to

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more of a place where we're seeing
more interaction with the rest of the crew,

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and we got Srew back, which
is great because I thought it was

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over last episode. That made me
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my biggest concern too, because they
already see through it all anymore. But

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they had a good balance of that
for sure in this episode. Yeah.

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Yeah, I really enjoyed the episode
more than the last two. I'm starting

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to like this this build up of
the story, you know, the hunt

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for the progenitors more. It's starting
to feel like like an old fashioned race

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to the finished story, which you
know it kind of is this is being

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the last season. Yeah, I
like that, you know, the return

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to the planet trail, you know, it's something that we never really saw

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too much on Deue Space nine,
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which is pretty much all we saw
when it appeared last in season three.

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But now we got to see a
little bit more, not much,

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but a little bit more, you
know, adding to the mythology of the

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trails. Yeah. Yeah, I
thought that the of Trill was fantastic.

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I thought it was a bold move
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How it seemed to become a little
bit secluded from everybody else that had pulled

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back from a lot of other worlds, it seemed like, and there's still

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this kind of air of protection,
kind of like, you know, making

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sure that they know who's coming into
the coming down to the surface, beaming

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down to the surface, whatever you
want to say. I think it opens

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up a lot more potential to use
the Trill species, which I would love

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to see, especially if they can
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or again in the future or whatever. They're they're doing a great job of

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cracking open and cracking that open a
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see that opening shot where it went
right into the ship that yes, man,

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really it was a clever use of
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was fascinating. Yeah, that was
so cool. Yeah, you know,

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and I also liked the way the
episode used doctor Calber. I always thought

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he's a fascinating character. Some seasons
we've got more of him than others,

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you know, the fact that here
he's got so much to do, and

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and the way Wilson Cruz played the
new personality, the trill personality that was

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in him just looked like he was
having a lot of fun doing it.

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it so much different than he does Doctor

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Colber, a lot more you know, energy, a lot more wisdom to

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the character, which it's already a
fun character in the first place. It's

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so he's been one of the highlights
of the series watching him and his character

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develop, you know. Plus I
like I like the scenes between Tilli and

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Rainer. I really enjoyed those.
You know, Tilly's just been one of

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those characters, another one that I've
either liked her or hated he or one

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of her off screen, you know, depending on you know, her level

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or annoyance. But here I thought
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how much she didn't like Rayner and
didn't like the way he seemed to be

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bullying the crew. But I think
by the end of this episode, they

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both came out with a bigger,
a better, new respect for one another,

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which I mean, any growth to
these characters I'll appreciate. Oh yeah.

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One of the things that I thought
was really neat too, is when

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they were in the bar and you
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He knew who they were, you
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little bit of time with them,
he knew them. But then un till

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he threw it back at him.
It takes more than just that, you

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know, to know who they are. You get you know, you got

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to really get to know them.
So I really liked that relationship than two

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of them in this episode, especially
until he just had enough and she just

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blew up. That took some guts
right there to do that. Yeah,

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I gotta admit, like, you
know, as much as I like Tilly

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having the chance to you know,
have fun as a character. You know,

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I think Champagne Tilly that we were
seeing in the past two episodes was

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one of the points where I was
like, oh no, come on,

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used toll be better, and then
in this episode it really came around,

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like you see exactly why she belongs
as the head of the future of Starfleet,

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or at least heavily involved in it
by training new recruits. Her handling

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of that situation in the bar was
picture perfect. The way that she told

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him off in twenty words, ye
for less, that was a great stop

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right there, to say you're being
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But yeah, she understands the use
of interpersonal dynamics and what that means

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to accrue. And she even when
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off and sits with our friends and
you see, you know Rayner kind of

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reflect on that and say like,
not only can I see the benefit of

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maybe being more of that guy in
the future, but probably all really probably

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finding another opportunity to recognize Tilly is
a true leader, which is something I

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thought was great about the previous two
episodes. So yeah, I totally agree.

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There's some fantastic till the episodes,
and I was sad to see her

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go, honestly, but glad she's
back for this. I'm glad she had

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the role that she did. Yeah, it seemed like they were getting rid

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of some of the characters, but
her and both sorrow, which I liked

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his scenes. I still don't know
where they're going with the character. I

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still have my theories, but he's
still there. He's still playing a part

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in the storyline. So I'm glad
he's there because, as we mentioned last

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epise, he's one of our favorite
characters from the series. Oh yeah,

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absolutely. One of the things I
like about this episode two is I love

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an episode when it's edited really well
and the trends ysicians this episode had when

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it was moving back and forth between
different scenes. One of them in particular

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was the great Kramer transition when Saru
was discussion was having the discussion and then

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they moved to the planet with Burnham, Colbert, and Booker like walking that

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transition between those two scenes are phenomenal. Yeah, it was. That was

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good. I remember that. Yeah, I mean to go back to your

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earlier point, way about Culbert and
Wilson. Cruz's performance in this fantastic YEP

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like. He puts so much depth
and careful thought into his character. It

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was great to see him be able
to kind of cut loose a little bit

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and have some fun, but his
kind of reflective moments when he's thinking about

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what he just went through and how
he feels about that. I thought that

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was great. I thought it was
in great use too. Very happy to

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see more Wilson cruise here. Yep. I liked how Janelle was testing them,

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you know, when you know,
he took him to the spot where

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that piece was at, but it
really wasn't there, and he was just

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testing him to see what they were
going to do. And then how Booker

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and Burnham was able to get out
of that. You know, I thought

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I thought that was all put together
really well. Yeah, that was one

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of my A Burnham highlight for me, saying like, you know, I've

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got this background as a xenior anthropologist, so here's how I'm going to approach

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this. It was like, yes, more more Burnham exercising those kind of

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scenes not necessarily having to be in
on the action. I understand that's that's

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a lot of fun, but I
I don't know. I just we talked

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about that last time a little bit, and I'm kind of I'm trying to

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quiet that kind of perception when I
get into these episodes because I don't want

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to, you know, affect how
watching it or anything else like that.

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It did feel like this time when
they were when Burnham was part of the

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mission or leading the away mission,
it felt like it made a little bit

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more sense in this situation, which
was nice to see just sub explanation behind

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that's fine, but yeah, it
felt like they were putting that the writers

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the producers put more thought into this
episode to make it more important, the

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story more important, rather than just
saying, you know, what would look

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cool this this week. You know, I really appreciate that because that has

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been a problem for me with a
lot of the new Trek, which you

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know, it seems like just a
lot of scenes that have been thrown together

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out of just pulled out of a
pool that you know, hey, this

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looks cool, this looks cool.
But this this here, we've got an

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actual development in the story and advancement, and I appreciate that. In advancement

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for the characters. I thought,
there's some pretty good character development in this

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episode that we've kind of been missing, and you know that that felt warming

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to me. One of the things
I really enjoyed too, was at the

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end with the transitions between the crew
members and you know, Gray was giving

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that dialogue over top of all of
that as we're moving back and forth from

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I thought that was really really well
done in this episode. Yeah, I

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agree, totally agree. Yeah,
I think some of the other kind of

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depth that we got from Book and
I'm always I'm always checking myself to say,

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like, is it Book or Booker, And I know that both are

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used, but I keep thinking of
Firefly and Serenity and I'm like, wait,

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no, I'm a shepherd book anyway. But the ability to communicate with

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animals, I thought that was used
to great effect when it was working.

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I thought it was used to even
better effect when it wasn't working. And

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there are some things like the Mission
Impossible ghost protocol when it's one of those

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places where nothing seems to be working, that I think is a great dramatic

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device. And to see that happening
here was will be like, Okay,

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now you can't depend on the you
know, snap your fingers and grow a

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phaser kind of technology or the you
know, nightcrawler transporter tech that they have

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right now, which I thought was
used in a clever way during the action

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sequences, but was also I still
don't see how that happens. You know,

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have people just like teleporting into a
rock face. I'm sure they tech

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doesn't make it happen, but we
were recently talking about this, like,

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I don't know how that happens without
a team, but yeah, yeah,

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no, it's another example of you
know, they didn't explain it, you're

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just supposed to accept it, right
exactly. I also noticed a non franchise

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Easter Egg Dave with the lethal weapon
one two three sequence where they're like,

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okay, is it on three?
Like one two? Oh? Yeah,

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like one and go. I was
like, oh my god, that's the

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other weapon too. That was really
weird. And she pulled it on him

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again too, when she had to
pull that out of his leg, right,

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yeah, yeah, to call it
special effect again, I know we've

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been talking about that a lot,
you know already, but those creatures were

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freaking fantastic. Oh, very impressive. Yeah. And what they were shooting

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out of them, oh man,
that was so cool. Yeah, yeah,

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that was a great effect. It
had almost like like an arrowhead with

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an octopus tide to it or something. Yeah, Like it would stick into

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the thing and then square them a
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That's pretty cool. Yeah, the
visual effects this season have really been

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impressed. I mean, the visual
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but it seems like the lesser amount
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have been doing ten rather than thirteen, they may have been able to move

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a lot of that money to the
FX budget, and it really it shows

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if they did. Yeah, I
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twenty words or less sequence. Okay, it was a great way to bring

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more of the cast in. It
was and let more of those characters shine,

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even though it's kind of a you
know, it's an odd challenge and

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probably doesn't get you to learn about
people as much as you should, but

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characters like Linus. I appreciate the
character of Linus a lot. Sometimes it

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hits better than others. But uh, and Jet Reno. I think the

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responses in that sequence part of the
reason that Reno is one of my favorite

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characters on Discovery. Not necessarily in
every episode, but the introduction of Reno

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and a lot of the dialogue the
way you know, Stanletts has taken down

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a few pegs, and I think
that's gonna be a good foil for Rainer

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too, and somebody who can kind
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he is with his approach. So
so now that we've given our opinions on

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the episode, let's take a look
at the characters themselves. Which can Eric

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do you think shines the most this
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a bit, but it's doctor Culber, you know, as he got to

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have jen all with him inside of
him and experienced something that not many people

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get to experience, and he got
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fun with that more so than we
have seen with that character. And then

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even how he was able to reflect
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the scene with him and Burnham,
I thought a way that all wrapped

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together was really well done. So
I have to go with doctor Culber on

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this one. For me, it's
what we had talked about a little bit

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before. Tilly's entire kind of mini
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there. There was a lot of
diplomatic reserve work in Deep Breaths reminded me

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of a I forget what the name
of the episode was, but in Next

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Generation we covered one where Wharf had
escort a a diplomat, and no,

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we didn't talk about that one,
so there's one of the episodes where they

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had three different people that were interacting
with Picard to learn more about love,

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one that interacted with Troy to learn
more about like, you know, pursuing

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things that, oh, you know
what I'm talking about, like the chocolates

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and all this other kind of stuff. Then there was one that was like

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antagonizing Wharf to no end, and
it felt like Tilly was kind of channeling

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that energy a little bit. This
one just like I'm gonna help this guy,

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but I'm not gonna like it.
And the way that it was resolved

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wasn't like, you know, we
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this, and now we're chums.
Everything's going to be fine. It was

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more like, no, we talked
about it. You see where I'm coming

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from, I see where you're coming
from. But if you want to be

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part of this crew, just know
that you have to grow a little bit

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and walks away, just giving him
a chance. It was nice to know

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that they're not going to just wrap
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Well, I'm gonna have to go
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chose doctor Calber, even though he's
not really doctor calber for most of the

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episode, you know. All but
like I said before, it really looks

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like Wilson Cruz was having the time
of his life in the episode, and

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he was given some of the best
lines, the best story parts parts this

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week. You know, He's just
one of the characters on Discovery that the

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writers at times tend to shove in
the background, has like one or two

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lines per episode sometimes, so it
was really nice this week to see him

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not only play a bigger part,
but an important part to moving the story

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forward. Yeah, and the line
when he stood up and goes, man,

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this guy really works. That must
work out. Yeah, that a

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little bit of Wilson Cruise being like, yeah, all right, exactly.

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I guess if you're eight hundred years
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body, you would think that too. True. Oh, if you had

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any choice to be any character that
appeared in this episode, which one would

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it be? And why, Scott, I'll have you start this one.

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So for this one, I'd say
Paul Stamets, who I've got to say

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I've thoroughly enjoyed seeing how Stammits has
changed and the arc that's followed there,

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Like considering how he was in the
beginning, very very impersonal and standoffish.

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There's a little bit of that there, but he's also grown a lot.

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And the reason that I would choose
him for this episode is I just want

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to know more about what he discovered
about the progenitor technology. That scene finally

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gave me an idea for why we
should care about progenitor tech. It almost

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seems like it's the anti prime directive
right as far as you can go and

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interfere with the development of life,
the restriction of that the design of that

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resurrection, which I'm hoping isn't like
a buried gun that you know, they

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have to wrestle with whether or not
have to bring somebody back from the dead.

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But I think you had some great
explanations. They're some great exposition to

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kind of walk us through that.
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know, be in the lab and
see what kind of things they dug up.

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Dave, what about you. I
have to go with Tilly on this

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one. I would I want to
give her the line back and say I

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can walk at you gum at the
same time too, back to Rainer,

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I just I just would like to
be per for just the fact that she

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was able to give that back to
Rainer like that. I mean, the

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guy is an arrogant, you know
what, and it was nice for somebody

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to stand her ground against him Burnham
has. But Burnham is different. Burnham

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is a captain, you know,
and she can do that. But to

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have somebody, you know, like
Tilly, to be able to hold her

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ground against somebody of that caliber,
just I love that very very much.

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And that issue I wouldn't want to
have been for sure. What about you,

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Well, I'm going to be up
against you because I'm choosing Commander Rainer

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again. Oh just because I like
his character. You know, he's now

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the first officer on the Discovery that
that's a cool position to be in my

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opinion. I like the way that
I just I like his his personality is

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his wrong personality. I just I
find just something just kind of attract that's

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what the right word. Something that
something interesting about the character. But uh,

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you know, it's a genius way
of learning about you know, some

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of the characters. And and and
you know, I was worried at first

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about this. You know, he's
coming in, it's a new character that's

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being introduced to Discovery right here at
the end of the story. You know,

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you always you have to think,
you know, is this you know,

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going to be Discovery as a cousin
Oliver? But you know, I

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think he's He's going to be turning
out to be a very interesting part of

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the story. Yeah. Yeah,
I can see there being a lot more

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interational between Rayner and Tilly, Yeah
for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And

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the way that that I don't know
first meeting with a lot of the crew

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was organized where he was saying,
look, I want to keep learning about

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this stuff. I'll fit in learning
about the crew, but I cat to

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keep going. That was an interesting
way about it, to keep him working

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and just know what kind of a
guy he is. It might not be

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the kind of person we've seen on
Discovery so far and the person that we're

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used to, but I think it's
good to change things up a little bit.

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Yep. All right, Now comes
my favorite part when we dive deep

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into the episode and see if we
can't pull out any Easter eggs, and

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there were a couple. We again
got a mention of the Breen, which

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we've only ever seen behind masks on
the later seasons of Deep Space nine.

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So we still don't know what they
look like. I think I have an

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idea that we actually be seeing and
getting an answer to that mystery this season

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here on Discovery. I believe one
of our newer characters may possibly be a

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Breen, but we'll just have to
wait and see what happens later on once

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he reappears. I love that theory, by the way, A brilliant idea.

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Yeah, and I hope it's true. I do too. And another

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thing we did see during the negotiations
scene with Sorrow and the other delegates,

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I believe that that cobra head alien
that could be a seil which is an

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alien that we haven't seen for a
long time that appeared back on the Next

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Generation's very first season episode Lonely among
Us. It certainly looked like one.

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I'm curious to see if anyone else
thinks that as well. I don't know

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is that the thing that Q appeared
as at one point, No, No,

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Lonely among Us was an episode where
there were two delegations that were fighting

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the Seilas, which were like a
Cobal like specie and in the antikins.

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Yeah, they got their own action
figures, so it must have been a

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big episode, know ye see merchandising, merchandising. And another big thing that

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I really pulled from this episode is
Janelle mentions that the discovery of the Progenitor's

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technology happened during the Dominion War,
which that was the main story for Deep

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Space nine final four seasons. But
that means it happens sometime before the year

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twenty three seventy five, which makes
that roughly about six years after Captain Picard

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and the Enterprise learned of the Progenitors
and the episode of the Chase, So

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we finally got some way of actually
timing when a lot of this happened.

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Yeah, was me? Was it
me? Or was it weird to hear

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Picard's name come from Burnham? It
is? It is. It's just a

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strange, you know, from someone
who who you know, wasn't around when

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Picard was. You know, she
comes from what like seventy eighty years before

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that, but she's done her homework, done her research. Yeah, absolutely,

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all right, we've seen the trailers
for the upcoming episode and the rest

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of the season. Now that we
have three episodes behind us, what do

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we think is going to happen next? Well, I think the next episode

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what faced the Strange. Yeah,
that's the name of it. Weird name.

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The one little clip that I saw
had some kind of like little weird

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spider or something like that crawling around. I'm like, Okay, this looks

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like this is gonna be creepy.
Wayne's gonna love this episode. Yeah,

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that episode, Yeah, might have
some strong opinions about that. Yeah,

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it seems like it's going to be
one of those chaos on the ship.

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Yeah, ken of moments where it's
you know, sabotaging various systems and all

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this other kind of stuff. So
that could be a good way to draw

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in more of the crew that we're
looking for. Yeah, a lot more

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of the people that we've seen throughout
the ship, giving everybody, you know,

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their fair amount of time. But
yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing

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what happens there. Hope hopefully we'll
get a little bit of a horror vibe

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with it, because that's kind of
what I got with the scene that I

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watched, what I was thinking too, That's how I got a feeling.

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Yeah, so that would be really
cool. It's gonna have us all like,

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you know, brushing our shoulders and
yeah, etching the whole time,

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and you know on the season trailer, there were a few things that I

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noticed that were pointed out to me. I think we may be in for

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a surprise appearance from someone that we're
very familiar with everybody. I won't reveal

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it yet, but go back and
check that trailer and watch it. Be

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very very vigilant and check it.
If frame by frame you might see something

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you recognize this, this is what
we talked about yesterday. It is okay,

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yeah, yeah, go back and
watch that trailer. Because I didn't

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realize either too. You mentioned like, oh hey, look it is just

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don't blink. Yeah, So I
got I got a question for you guys.

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So we're talking about what we're going
to see next, what we think

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is gonna happen. I believe a
lot of us have recently discovered that Starfleet

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Academy, a new series is coming, is going to be during the time

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period of Discovery. Do you think, I mean, we don't know how

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season going to end with Discovery,
but do you think that we may see

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through have some kind of involvement with
it. I do, I do.

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I don't expect this series or Discovery, the crew of the Discovery to like

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go back to their original time.
I expect them to continue on in this

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time, and I expect to Starfleet
Academy to be the successor for the series.

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Yeah, I think it'll be interesting
to see how characters like surrou It

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seems pretty obvious then that Tilly may
be involved. I would just start at

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that point. Yeah, but yeah, Dave, as you were talking through

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that, it just makes me think
about the potential for start Fleet Academy and

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what it could be because now,
you know, usually we get kind of

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mission by mission. Occasionally you get
to focus on engineering, you get to

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focus on medical whatever, right,
But there's a lot more depth that we

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can go into. And when you
think about, you know, the different

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professors, the different callbacks that we
might get from that, just the sheer

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number of students. I assume they're
probably going to be a core cast of

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students. It might also be focusing
on the professors. So a lot of

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interesting potential there. We'll see what
happens. And it doesn't surprise me that

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they're actually doing this series, because
this is the first time they've tried to

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get a Starfleet Academy series started.
I remember back just before the production of

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Star Trek six, there was a
lot of talk about being the six Star

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Trek film film, being a Starfleet
Academy film. I don't think it got

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any farther than a scripting stage.
But you know, they've tried to before.

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This doesn't surprise me at all that
they're trying it again, and it

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could be interesting. You know,
I'm always on with any Star Trek series,

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any new one. I'm always going
to wait and see how I like

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it. I'll be there, I'll
watch it. You know it starts.

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I watch everything Star Trek. What
was the tech that they used for the

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voyager dot? Oh, that was
the the the holographic admitters they had.

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It was like a holid deck inside
the h are you talking about the like

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the like the what he was called, Oh, the emergency medical uh m

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h emergency medical holographic doctor. Gotcha. Impressive, I'd be I'd be very

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interested to see if they use that
technology to give us a Professor Boimler.

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Oh WI like that. That would
be really neat. You could get anybody

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and just you know, transfer the
AI and then you've got you know,

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maybe a little bit of gray.
But I love to see some lower deckers

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come back. I think that would
make a lot of people happy. You

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know, I'm sure people have seen
on the internet there's was quite an uprising

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about the cancelation of Lower Decks.
I'll admit I'm kind of upset. I

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love the series. It's hilarious.
Yeah. Well, if you haven't watched,

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go watch it. It's it's a
great series. So, you know,

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my theory is that Paramount Plus has
now put a cap on the Star

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Trek series five years. We got
five years of Discovery, now we've got

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five years of Lower Decks, and
I expect Strange New Worlds will probably go

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five years. So that's probably the
reason it's which in that case, it's

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not a cancelation, it's just an
ending. I hope we do see the

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character. I hope it's not the
end of those characters. I agreed,

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well, and hopefully there's also a
pattern we're seeing with like section thirty one,

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developing right movies or continuation movies.
Absolutely keep those coming, especially what

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you can see an animated movie for
lower decks. They always bring it with

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the animation quality and the production quality, and that seen on a movie scale,

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it would be amazing. That would
be a perfect way of continuing it.

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Yeah. Yeah, and that's it
for this episode of Phasers Set to

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Stuns look at Discovery season five,
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And as we mentioned, next episode, we take a look at episode

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four titled Face Thestrange. We're looking
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