Phasers Set To Stun: recapping Discovery: Life Itself

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
Phasers Set to Stunt. In this ongoing

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more. Flooding the chorus as always, is your Core Trek crew. I'm

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Scott Hoffmann, I'm David Byrns,
and I'm Wayne Whiten. And today we're

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wrapping up our coverage of Star Trek
Discovery Season five, the final season,

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with episode ten. Life Itself,
written by Kyle Jarrow and Michelle Parida,

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is directed by Olatundi Osuntami. I
hope I said that right. Good.

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Before we get too much further,
Uh spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen

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this latest episode, Black Alert,
please stop, go view them and come

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back to join us. So this
is a big moment in modern Trek history,

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so let's get right into it.
Dave, can you give us a

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recap of the latest episode. Yeah, as you said, the final episode

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is upon us to not only end
the season, but brings the conclusion to

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Star Trek Discovery. Burnham and Mull
find themselves trapped inside the Pregenitor's device,

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and they must work together to uncover
the mystery they have been looking for while

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the same time find their way out. The Discovery indust group finds itself doing

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everything it can to find a way
to get to the portal and fend off

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the breed, while Through does his
best to convince further actions from Primark to

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Hall, who is on her way
with her own army. It is a

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battle to the end to see who
will control the greatest mystery of all time.

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Without pausing on it too much.
Initial thoughts, Dave, I'm very

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curious to hear. So there's some
good things that happen in this. Obviously,

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the visual effects are fantastic. Again, direction I thought was fantastic in

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this. There's some editing in this
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There's some shots when they went from
Mole and Burnham back to the fighting and

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then from the fighting back to them, which was edited incredibly well. Yeah,

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and the twist. In terms of
the camera work, some of the

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stunts that were done on this were
fantastic. Some of the things that we

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learned, you know about the portal
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the device and those kind of things
were really neat. Being inside of

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that was really neat. I felt
though the ending of this episode was way

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too long. It felt like it
dragged and dragged and dragged. I'm like,

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would you just end this episode now? I was very upset by that.

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It felt like I had three or
four different endings and I'm just like

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yeah, and I'm like, okay, enough is enough. You know,

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we don't need all of this.
We don't And that in itself, I

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was very disappointed and it let me
down the episode overall. I knew they

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were gonna build this up to such
a degree that you weren't going to be

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able to, you know, be
that high expectation that everybody had. I

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still felt they did a good job, Don't get me wrong. Some of

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the things that we learned about the
device, you know, it's you know,

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the predators didn't it wasn't theirs.
It was there, right, they

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found it. So I thought that
was kind of neat and then I'm not

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gonna say I'll let Wayne do it
in the you know, some of the

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thought the who we find out who
Covich is? Yeah, you know,

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I think that is fantastic. So
we'll get into all that. But that's

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my thoughts anyway, David, you
brought up really good point, and I

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think it's pretty much. I feel
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really the the elephant in the room
is the you know, the ending of

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the show, the ending of the
series. You know, was this episode

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a good ending for the series?
You know, that's that's the big question.

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You know, As a season finale, I thought it was fantastic.

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I thought I thought it was a
really good way of ending the story of

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this season. It had everything that
we were expecting in a season finale,

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you know, the big epic ending, huge battles, you know, spectacular

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visual effects, surprising story twists,
all that stuff. But as a series

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finale, not so much. You
know, it's and you can't fault them

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because you know, they didn't know. You know, it's a pity that

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they didn't know that that the fifth
season would be the last, because then

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they could have they could have approached
this final episode with with that knowledge and

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crafted it to better fit as a
series finale rather than just a season you

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know, instead we get this was
a fifteen to twenty minute tacked on scene

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at the end that really seems out
of place and kind of awkward, but

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you know, for what they could
do, it's a damn good effort.

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I mean, you know, you
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I liked the final scene. I
thought it was it was interesting. It

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gave both Burnham and the USS Discovery
a nice closure, but it just it

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felt exactly what it was, a
scene filmed later, tacked on a coda,

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and unfortunately, you know, that's
the best we could get because they

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didn't know. But if they had
gone straight to that, it would have

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been a better ending in my opinion, instead of giving us so much more

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between that right before that, you
know, Oh you mean like I didn't

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ask you Yeah, yeah, I
mean they could. They could have gone

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from the wedding to that. In
my opinion, you know, instead of

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giving us all of that filler there, we did not need any of that.

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I mean, I understand what they
were trying to do, don't get

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me wrong, but man, I
just it was just too much because I

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think the final shot was supposed to
be with them on the bead, you

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know or whatever that was. I
was supposed to be the final shot at

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season and that would have been a
great ending for the episode. Correct,

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it continued on. Yeah, so
you would have cut without the future jump

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right, without the time jump to
I would have correct. I would have

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gone to her the doors opening of
her going onto the bridge too for Discovery

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going off on its own. Oh
so you would have cut the stuff on

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the planets, Yes, with book
booker and Okay, I would have kind

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of I understand that. I know
they were trying to set up. This

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was something that they had planned for
for season six. M you know that

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they they wanted to do. They
techt this was their intention for how they're

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going to end the series in the
first place. But yeah, I understand

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what you're saying, And yeah,
I agree that was rather long. I

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think they didn't They didn't need twenty
minutes. They couldn't. No, So,

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Scott, what about you? What
did you? What are your faults?

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Well? I can see what you're
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if I hadn't heard any of that, I would basically just say it

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wasn't quite what I expected, because
I think there was some more that we

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were kind of thinking about. I
was overall satisfied with it. The points

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in particular that I'm thinking of are
that we almost got a Cisco ending,

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not just spoiling the thing for DS
nine. People haven't seen DS nine,

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but it always kind of bothered me
a little bit how DS nine ended,

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that it didn't seem like certain characters
were able to kind of go off into

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the sunset. I was glad that
we didn't have overly dramatic character deaths just

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because the series is ending, so
let's go ahead and kill some of the

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main characters off right, which seems
to be kind of a troupe. And

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that's one of the things that I
liked about the time jump, that we

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got to see Burnham and Book in
the future with their son, and we

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got to see the Federation I'm assuming
is you know, at this point rejuvenated

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exactly exactly. So it was it
was good to see that it got back

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to where it needed to be.
It felt like it was a little mysterious

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as to where they were going,
Like my first instinct was to say,

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it sounds like they're going to Geordie's
shipyard to retire Discovery. But then again,

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it's a different kind of ship right
with Zorah and the you know Ai

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and and what that would be.
So you had to do it that way

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though, and I'll explain later that
there was the series had to end very

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specific, they'd already set the course
of the series out it would end.

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They had to do that. They
had there there was reasons which and I'm

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glad that you brought that up because
that adds a little bit of mystery and

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intrigue. It helps to I think, open the door for more stories to

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be told for Discovery in whatever fashion
they want to do. They could go

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into novelization, comics, whatever.
They won't kind of tell other stories about

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that. But yeah, it'd be
fascinating to see where they went. I

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did kind of seem it did kind
of seem like it was long before the

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Saru wedding, but I think it
was a necessary element. That's kind of

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a way for them to all kind
of get together, hug and say goodbye

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without long drawn out speeches. I
don't know if there's anything that I would

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necessarily trim. But then Dave,
when you brought up your suggestions, I

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think they seem like good ideas.
I don't know, given that it's the

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ending of the series, it's going
to like, well, just let it

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be what it was. Yeah,
I agree, you know, I agree

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with David that it was a little
long. But I also want to state

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that I'm glad they put that there
because you know, we don't have I

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wouldn't want the series to just end
on the note of you know, like

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I said, they originally planned the
last scene to be on the beach.

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There's I'm glad that they at least
put some closure to the series rather than

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just just you know, it's ended
and there's no true you know, you

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know, I don't know, you
know what I mean, it's it's I'm

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glad they put it there. Yeah, there was one scene in particular that

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probably would have cut I I don't
know if you'll agree, but the fight

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sequence between Burnham and mall so she
has Burnham gets whisked away to the world

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of wind whatever that was, Hurricane
Winds or whatever, Yeah, exactly,

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and the fight there seemed good for
this setting. It did seem a little

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strange to use you know, the
Whirlwinds power to you know, whisker up

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the side of a mountain to jump
back through the portal hole, which was

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cool. But I just I don't
know something about the fight between Burnham and

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Mall after they had kind of reconciled
a little bit, but then tensions kind

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of escalated it and then it just
kind of seems like, well, then

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let's just punch each other. Like, I don't know, it felt like

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it was a lot necessary. No, I do kind of agree with that.

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I mean, I think the fighting
was awesome. It was twisting and

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turning and fan it was choreographed extremely
well I'm filmed well, But no,

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I'm with you on that. It
felt awkward, especially since Burnham got her

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to calm down. You know,
let's let's figure this out. Let's work

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together. And then Burnham is the
one that attacks. You know, she's

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the one that swept swept the leg
and you know, they basically took her

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out and you know, and it
started the fight. So you're right,

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I found that kind of awkward.
And then after all this long fight they

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go through it again. But I
was like, okay, let's stop,

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you know, let's let's work this
out together, you know, and then

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of course Moles like, well,
you know, I you know, I

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don't trust the Federation. I don't
trust where they're going to do. And

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then but and then Burnham was like, well trust me, And I'm like,

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well, you just are the one
that started fight a little but go

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why would I trust you? I
quote you to it. It felt like

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the writers were saying, oh,
it's getting a little slow here, let's

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put another fight scene. And it
wasn't really needed. I didn't think the

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construction of the Progenitor Portal warehouse was
very interesting m h. Both that it

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went, you know, apparently to
Infinity, and it had a bunch of

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different you know, gravity was all
over the place, different kind of disorienting

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angles that they went through. Does
it seem like that is a gateway to

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any world that the Progenitors would have
touched or do you think it was just

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kind of random planets to tell what? I do think it's gateways. And

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and with the the idea that now
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that, they found it, it
makes me wondering who who did build that?

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And I've heard this mentioned a couple
of times from other people, and

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I actually agree with this. You
remember the Iconians, the whole thing whole

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things just just screamed them. So
maybe they're the ones they originally build.

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Yeah, you know that'd be interesting, that would And I want to bring

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up something too, because I actually
thought this was kind of funny. You

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know, we were really lousy on
our predictions for this episode. We were

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you know, I am glad to
you know. We thought uh Lack would

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be resurrected. We thought he was
gonna be resurrected. He didn't. We

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thought Sorrow or someone else would be
killed. They weren't. So I said

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the Discovery was going to be destroyed. And of course I don't know why

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I didn't think of this. It
couldn't be. It has to has to

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survive for a that was I completely
forgot about that. And then we thought

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uh Book would use the tech to
revive his home planet. That didn't happen,

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you know, But but but I
did predict that Covid was a time

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traveler. You did. You never
knew who it was. I never expected

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that. I never expected kep that
time travel Yeah, when that happened,

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I was like, oh, kind
of right on this one. He just

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didn't predict who it is. But
no, I never would have guessed that

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in a million years now, and
I'll be interested to hear about that,

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just because I personally have no contest
for that whatsoever. Like he meant,

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I didn't see apparently that slice of
it. No, I didn't watch it

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reliably, Like I saw a lot
about what was it when soon came out

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that was that last year. Yeah, by that time, it was getting

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close to that. Part of the
storyline was getting close. Yeah, so

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that didn't necessarily make any sense to
me. I'm sure it will when we

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start covering the Enterprise, but yeah, I was, honestly, I'm sorry,

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David Krenenberg. I'm very sorry,
but I was just glad to see

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the last of COVID because I was
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me so much, go away.
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I I really loved Jeff Russo's music
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allowed it to come out of the
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some of it, especially the scenes
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that was. The portal, was
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tones. I thought that now,
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I thought I'd give think of Fija
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It was just incredible. The whole
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that because there are a few points
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the music really coming out here,
Like they have they held it back,

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you know, through a lot of
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kind of dramatic twists and turns it
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very heavy action to contemplative, metaphysical
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want to put one last little comment
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that's that was ugly. I mean, I just I hated a uniform.

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I'm sorry, Starflee really needs to
get better outfit. But come on,

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you have all this technology and you're
coming up with that kind of uniform?

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What are you doing? They gotta
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in some form or another. What
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Commander Non Well. I love the
scenes with them together, and Saru really

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came out there of basically having his
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he was like he told it as
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as an answer, no matter what. And man, I love that scene.

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You know, I'm glad my prediction
was wrong that anything was gonna happen

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to him. But yeah, that
scene was like, whoa through, Well

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done, buddy, Yes it was. It was yeah, well and very

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different character than the person that we
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so I'm glad that they carried that
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very well done. I wasn't convinced
it was gonna work, honest, but

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so then kind of a connected I
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the shuttle to try to catch the
portal. This is another one where you

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know, Culbert's journey has gone toward
it more of a h philosophical or like

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a spiritual journey. I thought it
was interesting to be able to give him

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the ability to have exact what was
it frequency for the tractor beam m But

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that was another one where it just
it felt odd. It felt like you

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know, it's okay, let's take
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little back on that, I see, I was expecting that. I was

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expecting him to, you know,
just out of his head, you know,

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you know, some sort of like
magical thing. But they pulled back.

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Star Wars, and I thought,
oh wait, wait, this is Star

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Trek. Right, Scott, I
think, did you just cross the streams?

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I did? I don't know how
I feel about this. Wait,

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you just crossed a third stream taking
another Universes Schalidic. Yeah. I mean,

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I think they had a great rapport
there. There was great dialogue in

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those scenes, and I'm glad that
they gave Culbert a chance to step out

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into the action and to help with
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there's just something about it that felt
a little bit strange. But when

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it happened, it felt like something
was gonna happen to the character, you

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know what I mean, right,
the reactions that we're getting from the you

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know, from the characters around them, it felt like they were going to

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take that to a degree that you
know, he was going to get killed

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or anything like that. But then
of course it never happened. It just

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felt like they were from danger.
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that Lucke would be brought back and
would lead the Breen and it would be

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a glorious two day and unification of
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I was surprised, well, and
it seemed like I was also surprised

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at Mal's acceptance of that. That
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is everything that I'm living for,
Oh, we can't do it all right,

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never find Yeah, but you got
to think that the situation she was

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in though, I mean, I
think if everything was going on around her

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so quickly, and you know it
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comprehend any of that. So I
guess she had to come to terms,

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all right, And I made it
as far as I can, and there's

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really nothing else I can do to
this point, at least that's the way

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I saw them anyway. Well,
and it'd be interesting to see where they

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would have gone with another season if
and where Mal ends up, I guess

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being recruited by Kovich, Yeah,
to just see where else they wanted to

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take that. I mean, I'd
be okay with that, and I'd been

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okay with that because I love Mal's
characters. Yeah, i'd love to see

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her another season, yep, for
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see if the brain wouldn would continue
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if not the main you know,
antagonist. But yeah, but where they

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sent them, didn't they say how
far? How long did they say would

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take them to come back? Very
long time? They sent them to the

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galactic barrier? Which edge of the
universe or edge of the galaxy? So

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yeah, yeah, right, which
of all the things to pull? Like,

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oh, that's kind of a right, that's kind of a diicy one

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to be, like, you know
where the sidewalk ends. It's like it's

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the universe there isn't. Yeah,
what are the thoughts on separating the saucer

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and doing the I guess jump by
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that. I thought it was incredible. Yeah, I didn't know it was

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possible. Oh yeah, I'll bring
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of course you will. And I
guess the other thing I wanted to bring

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up was just the the Cisco moment
that Burnham has with the Progenitor. I

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thought it was an interesting twist to
say, like, well, that actually

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wasn't well. I guess the portal
warehouse that they're in is not their tech

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that it's borrowed from others. I
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it didn't feel like it was tiptoeing
right on the edge of saying, yes,

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you've achieved this higher level of being, so we're going to you know,

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take you know, another plane of
existence or something like that. I

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don't know. I personally was glad
that they didn't go there. Yeah,

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but I was still satisfied with the
meeting with the progenitor and that whole encounter.

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It seems fitting. It did,
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You know, she was gonna be
the one that takes the place,

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but then she decides to know that
nobody should have, not one person should

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have, you know, that kind
of power in what they she does with

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it. She's the event horizon.
I love that she's right. I mean,

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really, if you think of it
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the only decision she had that shouldn't
make Oh yeah, yeah, all right,

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and let's say your quick break when
we come back, we're going to

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talk about the characters that we think
shan the most and who we'd want to

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be. Let's get into some of
our usual segments. We'll start off with

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talking about which character we think shine
the most. Dave, Let's start with

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you. So mine's kind of a
wrap up of the whole season of a

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character who I thought shined the most. And I'm going with Rayner. In

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what little screen time he had in
this episode. You know, he comes

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full circle and becomes a true leader
on Discovery. You know, we have

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seen his growth and to me,
he has had the best character arc of

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the entire season. And here we
see him comfortable and willing to not only

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trust his instincts, but those on
the bridge around him too. That growth

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right there, just in itself on
that bridge in that moment, and everybody

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was trusting him and understood his instincts, and we're believing in his choices that

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he was making. They were looking
to him as a leader now. And

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remember where he was at the beginning
of the season. Nobody liked him,

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you know, and he didn't want
to get to know anybody. So there

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is no doubt I felt he shine
the most in this episode and in the

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season in my opinion, Yeah,
that's fair, and I'd like to see

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more stories continuing with him if we
have, you know, extended universe things

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with Discovery, that'd be good to
see. Yep, Wayne, what about

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you, Well, I've got to
say Burnham, of course, you know

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this, this is this is the
final episode of the series. They had

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to give it to Michael Burnham's the
Spotlight, and boy, I have to

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hand it to Snekua Martin Green pulling
it off, not just not just forgiving

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us an outstanding performance in this episode, for truly being the shining star and

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the driving force behind Star Trek Discovery. For it's nearly eight year, five

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years, five season run, she's
been a real joy to watch every episode.

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Her character has grown so much over
the five years. Her performance in

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the code of this episode I thought
was beautifully done. For me. It

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was a very satisfying end to her
character and for the series. For me,

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it took me on a little bit
to get over the Walking Dead with

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her after but once I got,
once I got her used to her in

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this role, she became incredible.
I mean she's incredible even while get in

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everything. But you're right, by
the end of this you know, you

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can really tell how much she has
fallen into this character and just her style

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of performance has just been phenomenal throughout
this series, and she really pulled through

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in this episode too. So good
good choice, Wing, Yeah, well

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side Wing. I think for me, my my pick is a little bit

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more one dimensional, just because I
envied what action Tharu was able to do

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in that scene with playing the bluff. I mean, there's you know,

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there's two people on that shuttle that
are trying to stop a breen fleet coming

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in with just dialogue and nerves of
steel right to be able to play that

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bluff. I also thought it was
clever the insight that he went back to

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in terms of the predator prey relationship
and being able to uh basically call her

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a coward. Yeah, like wow, and knowing that you know this was

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that there was kind of a tell
that to hall Hood had left out there.

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I think it was a great ending
of the arc, and I was

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really glad to see that kind of
that kind of energy from Saru and that

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kind of situation that it wasn't you
know, with a phaser, It wasn't

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jumping around, it wasn't a stunt
work. It was just getting through that

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situation. Su will make a damn
good diplomat and a really great force for

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the for the Federation. Yeah,
without question. Yeah, Yeah, that's

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a that's a big power couple,
Su and Trina. So I'm glad they

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continue to go on. Absolutely good
choice. Well, Wayne, if you

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could have been any character in this
episode, who would it have been?

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Again, I'm going to choose Burnham
because she not only found the technoledge,

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but she was actually able to meet
one of the progenitors and learn their secrets.

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And and while we really have no
idea what happened or what become to

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most of the characters that after this
story, you know, from Burnham,

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we got to see her happily ever
after ements you know, she became an

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admiral. Then she got called back
to Judy for the most important missions,

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you know, to to discovery of
one last final mission. Say goodbye.

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I'd want to be her, I
want to live happily. It's fair,

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Dave, what about you? My
answer is the same, It's it's Burnham

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with without question, just just the
fact that she got to explore, you

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know, that place that no one
has gotten to see. What two people,

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three people have gotten to see and
explore that are not presentaitors, just

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that and alone. I would have
loved to be able to do. But

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I would have stayed there a lot
longer. I mean, I know she

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couldn't because of the situation, but
you know, just the fact that the

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things that you could explore, the
things that you could get to see,

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would just be phenomenal to me.
But yeah, you get to see her

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get that happy ending that she has
deserved because she has come such a long

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way over the series. It was
it was really nice to see. So

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yeah, absolutely, yeah, you
feel like I would have liked to have

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seen like a you know, a
map to the mall in that Jena warehouse.

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I could right, maybe maybe visit
the planet with a lot of jet

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packs first, so I could be
all right, now I can get it

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out whatever it was. I don't
want to touch the wrong thing exactly,

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but it would be interesting to explore
that and you know, see how it

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connects so many different worlds and explore
what else is out there and where else

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we could kind of go to.
But the character that I picked isn't really

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in much of the episode at all. It's Burnham's son Leto No, so

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exploring a little bit more of what
Starfleet becomes in the future, whereas Burnham

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is taking Discovery and Zora out to
their final destination and wrapping all that up.

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But you know, new federation,
new relationships, new technologies, new

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ships. It'd be it would be
fascinating to see where that goes. So

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doesn't mean that character is gonna be
with get to see Tilly work with Tilly

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at the academy, I'm assuming likely. Yeah, is interesting, Yeah,

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it would good catch. I found
myself a bit surprised at the as they

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were taking the A off of Discovery's
hall. I didn't think they would go

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there. I could have sworn that
it would be you know, no bloody

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A, B C. D.
You know, but I'm kind of surprised

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they went there. But they had
to. They had to. So explained

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that a little bit. All right, you have to go down to my

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Easter eggs thing because the end of
this episode actually connects to something that we've

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seen before. Okay, here we
go. Yeah, the final reference,

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it was mentioned that Admiral Burnham was
being sent on another Red directive to take

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Discovery in his final mission because and
they mentioned on there that they were she

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00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.079
was taken Discovery and Zorra to meet
to wait for someone named Craft. Now

409
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:36.519
that's a direct reference to a Star
Trek Short Treks episode that was done between

410
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.240
season one and two called Calypso it
was one of those that I mean,

411
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.759
I missed it too. A lot
of people didn't actually see this because it

412
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:48.720
was only up for a short time
on Paramount Plus. But in that episode

413
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:53.519
a thousand years in the future,
we see the abandoned Discovery and we see

414
00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:02.319
Zora meeting a man named Craft.
So this they're they're connecting it to this.

415
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.960
It had to end, and because
it was made between season one and

416
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.279
two, Discovery looked like it did
when the series first ended. Included such

417
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:15.839
as the cells were connected and the
A wasn't on there. Wow, So

418
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.279
they had to kind of go back
and have and put that in there so

419
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:27.160
that it interesting some retcon scramble there
exactly I think what that was. And

420
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.599
then there we had already talked a
little bit about the the Covich character and

421
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.240
the connection the Enterprise, anything else
we need to say there. Well,

422
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:37.440
there's a lot, I mean,
this whole episode had a lot of a

423
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.000
lot of Eastern some great stuff.
But you know, Covich reveals that he's

424
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.799
actually Agent Mules, So you know, so who is Daniels? He was

425
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.880
a temporal agent from the thirty first
century who had traveled back in time to

426
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.200
the twenty second century and he helped
Captain Archer and the crew of the Enterprise

427
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:02.079
the NXO one stop time incursions resulting
from the Temple Cold War. You know,

428
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.880
he first appeared in Star Trek Enterprise
the episode called Cold Front, which

429
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was during its first season, and
then reappeared again the next year, season

430
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.000
two, in the two parter Shockwave. He appeared in eight episodes throughout that

431
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.799
series four year run, all all
four years of the show. But you

432
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:26.000
know, my question is is this
the actual same character or is this just

433
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.720
a code name that's used by different
agents, because you know, it's really

434
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:36.200
by the same different actors. So
I wonder interesting any other Easter eggs that

435
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.359
we missed? Oh yeah, I
liked this episode had a very unique title

436
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:47.799
sequence, one that only this episode
had featured bits from each of the five

437
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.400
seasons title sequences. The Klingon Weapon, the Communicator from season one, we

438
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.519
saw the Red Angel, the Enterprise
Captain's chair from season two, Bookship from

439
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.839
season three, and Zora's voice modulation
in from season four, and then of

440
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:05.279
course the stuff from season I liked
that they did that. Yeah, that's

441
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.519
pretty cool. Yeah. And then
I also mentioned that they sent the brain

442
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.160
to the Galactic Barrier. You know, that's the barrier, the rent of

443
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.119
the galaxy. We've seen this a
few times, first in the original series

444
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:20.640
episode where No Man Is Going Before
and by any other name, and then

445
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.519
we saw it last season in Discovery
in the episode the Galactic Barrier. But

446
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.319
now, remember this isn't the same
as the Great Barrier that we saw in

447
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.559
Star Trek five. That's the energy
bearer from the center of the galaxy.

448
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:37.519
This is the one of the the
galaxy. Okay, all right then yeah,

449
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.519
yeah, well a lot of people
do, and I didn't originally to

450
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:44.400
it. They're they're they're two complete
different things. And then we also mentioned

451
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.359
about the the Discovery separating you know, you know, well, you know,

452
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.960
of course that isn't the first time
we've seen a starship separate. The

453
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:54.960
Enterprise d did four times in Star
Trek the Next Generations. But the Discovery,

454
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.519
the fact that Discovery can do it
really begs the question, you know,

455
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.400
could is this something that it could
always do or was this something that

456
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.039
was done to it when it was
upgraded for the thirty second century. It

457
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.160
is possible that it was designed to
do that originally, because while we never

458
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:16.559
got to see it, the original
Enterprise kirkships could separate. It was mentioned

459
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:21.319
in the episode The Apple Kirk orders
Scotty to separate the ship and take the

460
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:28.880
saucer to separate to safety, and
also designer Andy Probert has said that the

461
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.200
Enterprise refit that he did for Star
Trek. The motion picture also had this

462
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:37.079
feature. There are on the bottom
of the saucer section. There's four squares

463
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.519
that would slide open the panels and
reveal the landing gears that would come down.

464
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.000
That's actually seen on the model in
the movies. Interesting, and then

465
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.920
we've got, oh, yeah,
this was a nice one. I had

466
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.720
fun picking this out. Speaking of
Kovich, his office is littered with items

467
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:58.799
from Star Trek's pass all over.
What I saw in a quick glance,

468
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.759
I saw the tearan Impire dagger from
the first season to Discovery. There was

469
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:07.400
the next generation Type one phaser,
the Dustbuster. There was a bottle of

470
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:14.239
Chateau Picard. Of course, Jordy
Leaforge's advisor. We saw Captain Janeway's microscope

471
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:17.360
that she always kept in her ready
room. We saw Captain Cisco's baseball he

472
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:22.679
kept in his office on New Space. Yep. Then we've got uh,

473
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.000
let's see that the planet at the
end, the planet that Burnham and Book

474
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.599
retired to and make their home,
is called Sanctuary four. That was last

475
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.920
seen on the third second or the
third season's opener that hope is you part

476
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.480
one? That's so that's something that
that's not a new plane we saw that

477
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:44.559
be from and I think that's it
all right. Definitely some good ones on

478
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.000
this one, that's for sure.
There was oh yeah, yeah, Well

479
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.679
it's got to be kind of a
treasure trail of things when we're when we're

480
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.519
wrapping up. Yep. Absolutely so, now that we're here at the end,

481
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.199
I know that we've been. There
have been a few ups and downs

482
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.960
in the season. Mm hmm.
There have been a few ups and downs

483
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:05.559
in the series, Dave, What
are your thoughts on both overall? I

484
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.599
mean, I thought this season wrapped
it up pretty good. I think this

485
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.599
season was a fun ride. It
started off a little rough, as we

486
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.119
mentioned in you know, our first
podcast about season five. But I think

487
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.480
they got back on track pretty quick, and the season turned out a whole

488
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.480
lot better than I was expecting.
And I'll be completely open and honest about

489
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:28.199
that. I was not looking forward
to this season at all because I'm not

490
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:32.199
a fan of the last season,
and I really didn't know where they were

491
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.719
going to go with this. And
but I'm glad to say that I was

492
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.079
wrong, and I was glad to
see what they gave us, you know,

493
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.199
how they ended it. You know, I mentioned earlier what I thought

494
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:46.360
of that, But overall, I
really really enjoyed the season. I enjoyed

495
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.719
the series too, you know.
It was it's always nice to have Star

496
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.559
Trek on television. You know,
we've not really had it in a while

497
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:59.239
in a TV series form, so
it's kind of nice that, you know,

498
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.000
they took a chance, and you
know, they gave us a new

499
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.119
Star Trek, they gave us new
characters, they gave us, you know,

500
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.360
a bunch of new things, new
ships, everything. It was nice

501
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.480
to have that again, you know, and enjoy that. So the people

502
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.039
out there who are picking on Discovery, just stop, Oh, yes,

503
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.800
this was this was It was nice
to have Star Trek back in our lives,

504
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.960
and I hope they give us more, you know, I really do.

505
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.840
I want to see more of what's
going on, you know, with

506
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.440
Tilly. I want to see what
the academy is is in the future.

507
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.559
I want to see those kind of
things of what's going to happen, because

508
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.639
that means we're going to see Saru
again. You know, we're gonna see

509
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.199
some of these crew members again.
We may see Burnham again. Who knows,

510
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.400
you know, the sky's the limit
when it comes to this kind of

511
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.320
stuff. But overall, I really
enjoyed them. Yeah, I agree,

512
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.519
Wayne, what about you? You
know, Star Treks Discover. I've had

513
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.559
a love hate relation for it to
I mean, I love the first two

514
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.039
seasons, especially that second season,
and the third season when it started,

515
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.199
I thought it was fantastic. Moving
them to the thirty second century was a

516
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.039
brilliant eyea, you know, getting
to explore an area of Star Trek that

517
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:07.400
we've never seen before. And I
loved the third season until the very end.

518
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:13.159
I thought the ending of season three
was one of the most underwhelming season

519
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.800
finales I have seen in years,
and it kind of soured me to the

520
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.880
series for a while and left me
uninterested in season four. When we decided

521
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.320
we were going to watch season five
and do this for these reviews, I

522
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.599
went back. She realized that maybe
I was a little bit too harsh.

523
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.800
You know, it wasn't as bad, and I really enjoyed. I thought

524
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.599
season five is fantastic. Like David
said, it had a little rough in

525
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.280
our beginning, but it picked up
and it's been a wild ride. I'm

526
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:45.000
glad they ended it, on my
opinion, a high note, and I

527
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:49.760
can't wait to see I'm glad that
we've got you know, Starfleet Academy coming,

528
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.599
because that means we will see more
of the thirty second century, hopefully

529
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:58.360
the characters that we see in here. And I'm glad. I'm thankful that

530
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:04.280
Star Trek Discovery because you know,
not only was it a great ride,

531
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.480
but we got this is modern Star
Trek. We've got modern Star Trek on

532
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.400
TV. This gave us strange new
worlds. You know, without Discovery,

533
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.280
we would not have strange New worlds, we would not probably have Star Trek

534
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.880
card And I'm thankful for this series. I'm glad it's here. Yeah,

535
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.119
absolutely, Sam, I agree with
you both. It's as much as their

536
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.400
parts. Specifically of season three,
where it felt like it was kind of

537
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.159
dragging and it didn't necessarily satisfy.
I remember when Discovery was first on,

538
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.480
I was extraordinarily excited about it.
I was telling everybody that I could to

539
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.920
catch it, not just because the
Star Trek was back, but because they

540
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.880
were breaking so much new ground and
they were doing so many things to rejuvenate

541
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:54.880
Star Trek. I think that the
story writing has been consistently good, and

542
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.000
I think eventually when we get around
to doing starter Treusch for Discovery, we'll

543
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:06.519
have a lot to say about,
you know, how much this really advanced

544
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.719
the universe, and you know,
there there are things that we can skip,

545
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.280
there are things that we can jump
around to. But overall, I

546
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.519
think that had an amazing job and
I'm glad that it's here, and I'm

547
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.280
glad we went through it. Yes, absolutely, it was a great ride.

548
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.039
Guys, it was okay. Dave
and Wayne, thank you as always

549
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.119
for going through another great series with
me. And when we come back in

550
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:30.079
a few weeks, we're going to
be talking about something completely different. We're

551
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.159
not covering episodes. We're getting into
a series. We're going to talk about

552
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:37.079
another aspect. We're going to get
into merchandising. So we'll be talking about

553
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:44.599
our favorite track toys from the from
the start to present day. What are

554
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.199
those things that we would pull forward? And we're going to have a special

555
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.719
guest to talk with U about it, right, Dave, that's right.

556
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.360
I'm looking forward to it. And
our special guests has been with us before.

557
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:59.519
Scott he is the store owner of
House of Plastic and of course I'm

558
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:04.440
talking about mister Jerome Cuncle. Yeah, you can't wait. As always,

559
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.480
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560
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