Phasers Set To Stun: recapping Discovery: Mirrors

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I'm David Burns, I'm Scott Hoffmann,

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and I'm Wayne Whited. We continue
our journey in the thirty second century with

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Star Trek Discovery Season five, Episode
five, Black Alert spoiler the head So

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if you haven't seen this episode,
please stop, go view it and come

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back to join us. Wayne please
give us a synopsis of this newest episode

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and the episode is entitled Mirrors,
written by Joanna Lee and Carlos Cisco,

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directed by Jen McGowan. Following the
trail left by mol and Locke, the

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USS Discovery discovers an nonstable wormhole and
when Burnham and Booker enter the wormhole with

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using a shuttle, they find the
remains of the Iss Enterprise after its escape

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from the Mere Universe. Burnham retrieves
the next piece of the Progenitor's puzzle on

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board, along with a clue to
find the next one, but becomes stranded

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on board the Enterprise along with mol
and Lack, and are forced to strike

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a deal with the pair if they
hope to get out of the wormhole alive.

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So, gentlemen, how about seeing
the ISS Enterprise? What fifty seven

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years ago was the last time we
saw it? Is that correct? That's

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correct? Yeah, yeah, pretty
pretty interesting to see that, Wayne,

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you were you were? You said
we were going to see the Enterprise.

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We just didn't know which one,
right, Yeah, that's that's right.

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You know. I we knew it
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the trailer, that very brief shot, and and I predicted last episode that

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it would be in this one,
uh hm. And I really guessed that

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it was going to be the Mirror
Universe one just because of the title of

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the episode. That's really the only
reason. I So I'm like absolutely pleased

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that for once my predictions are right. You know, I'm terrible predicting things,

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Scott. You remember my prediction for
Lower Decks with with this mysterious ship.

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I thought it was going to be
from the mirror. Oh yeah,

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you know I was really off on
that one. So plus, you know,

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I accurately guessed that Locke was Breen
too. It did, and I

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was really I just pulled that out
of my ass. So well, you're

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a cube of Q on this msod
body so well done. No matter where

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it comes from, you we're still
right, that's right. Yeah, So

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we're continuing the good episode that we
had last episode because this one was just

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as good. I was very involved
in this story. Again. The special

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effects were fantastic. When the with
the wormhole opening and closing, how unique

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that was in itself. But so
much in this episode happened. But you

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know, not to jump to the
end real quick, but how they pulled

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the Enterprise through the wormhole and then
getting them out of and then watching it

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implode, that was just such an
incredible scene. It was very impressive.

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Yeah, I think it's so.
I don't know if this is accurate.

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I'm gonna trust that m Deba knows
what they're talking about. But According to

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the IMDb, this is the nine
hundredth episode of the Star Trek franchise.

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Oh it is Wow damn, which
is kind of a yeah. So it

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seems like it's kind of appropriate with
this episode because you get crossover with Strange

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New Worlds, obviously it's Discovery again
DS nine crossover with the Breed, and

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you get obviously the through the threat
of the progenitors with Next Generation. So

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there's a lot of connections. There's
a lot of connections in this one,

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huh in the original series with the
ISO centerprise, right true. Yeah,

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So this episode really gives us the
background of Moll and Lock, and you

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know, we finally get to see, you know, how they met and

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their involvement with one another and what's
going on. And I got to say,

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I was very involved with their story
because I wanted to know what was

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going on with them. But it
really made me appreciate these two characters a

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whole lot more than I started off
with at the beginning of the season,

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which I was still interested in them, but this one gave me a lot

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more of their characters that I wanted
to dive into. And I got to

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tell you and I think I've mentioned
as almost in every episode that we've covered

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in Discovery this year. But the
editing is phenomenal. It is in this

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episode how they kept going, how
they edited back and forth, going through

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the past with more in Locke and
then coming to the present day. Some

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of those shots how they just transitioned
were incredible. Yeah. Yeah, it

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does a lot to help to tell
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it's not so jarring when you're going
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that they're hitting their stride with this. I'm definitely more engaged with the main

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thread, definitely more invested in Mall
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I had said last time, I
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only include what Wayne had said about
you know, mirror universe, but that

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there would be kind of parallels that
we're seeing between Michael and Booker and mal

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In Locke, with Mole's origins as
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who is in a certain position that's
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a chance to break out and be
something more. I'm really glad that that's

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where they're starting to go with these
characters and get them more depth and give

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them more what we had seen last
time where it was kind of like,

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you know, they're on the run. It makes so much more sense what

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they're doing now knowing about the I'm
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but basically, like a what do
they say in Star Wars, it's

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a death so we had a death
bounty or something like that. It's hard

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to shake. So the equivalent of
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they don't make a deal like this, there's no way that they'll ever stop

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running. We learned a lot of
backstory. There was a lot of story

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in this episode, and it was
a lot to process, I will admit,

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but I thought the episode flowed nicely
and made it easy to follow,

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which was really needed in this episode. I love how they're building the mystery

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of the Progenitor's tech and all the
clues that they're leading. It's leading us

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to them and and you know,
then we got the whole story with the

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Moulln lock and how they matchine teamed
up at their whole backstory. You know,

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we're getting a little bit size pieces
of the full story each episode,

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you know, allowing us to start
making our own predictions of where the series

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is gone, where it's going to
end. I think that's what I enjoy

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most about what they've been doing and
why this episode is so good is that

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that you know, that is just
feeding us all in just little bits of

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dialogue, they're actually showing us and
letting us follow the story along with the

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characters. They have some good action
and fighting sequences in this episode that I

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thought were choreographed really well, and
I love the the mull in lock cloning

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effect when they went into there and
they felt like they were all over there

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and I absolutely loved that. And
then they just basically had to charge in

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and you start the fight and stuff
like that. But then you get like

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that that standoff, you know,
which kind of forces them to team up

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with one another in order to solve
how to get off of the enterprise,

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and then you know, when they
lose their shout and everything, it isn't,

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well, how the hell are they
going to get out of this one?

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It just it was so I love
a good story where it teems up

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some of our heroes with some villains, and they did this extremely well and

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in this situation. Yep, yeah, for sure, especially the you know

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the fight within the sick bay between
Burnham and Locke, and I think that

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the end of that fight leaves you
with a sense of empathy, like I

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found myself in that fight scene not
necessarily cheering on either adversary. It was

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more like I was hoping that the
fight would stop right because you know what's

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on the line, and you know
that it's somebody who's desperate. Doesn't necessarily

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understand the consequences of what Locke is
is about to do, but it just

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it helps to kind of accelerate the
tension when you're hoping that neither one gets

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critically injured. So it was.
It was very well written, I think

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it. I do want to put
out something very fun. I want to

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point out something very humorous from the
last episode. Apparently Rayner and Burnham learned

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their lesson. Instead of warping to
the next room, they walked to the

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next room. Yes, yes,
yeah, it's given them a little bit

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of pause to use that automatic transporter. Yeah, all right, you learned

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your lesson. Well done. I
also liked the that you mention it that

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discussion that they have initially before the
mission begins. I feel like Rayner the

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circumstance did a great job of kind
of pointing out, like, Okay,

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hold on a second and take a
breath. I know that you're talking about

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leading this away mission, but you're
the captain and one of my jobs is

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first officer, and personally, my
you know, concern for you means that

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I need to try to protect you
as much as possible. So are you

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taking a security detail? Does it
really have to be that's going all this

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other kind of stuff? And I
know that an undercurrent of that was,

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you know, maybe some personal concerns
from Ranger's perspective about being in charge.

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But I love that it addressed something
that has kind of been bothering me on

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a bunch of episodes about how often
Burnham is on the way team or leading

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the way team or so so crucial
to it. She's not doing an amazing

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job, but just like but it's
the captain. He's correct, though.

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You know, Riker had that same
conversation with the card back in the early

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seasons of Next Generation, exactly the
same concerns. He's right, he's as

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the first officer to do that.
Yeah, said, you did bring this

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up. I want to say it
was the first episode that we talked about

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this season. You brought that up, and it's funny that they addressed that

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in this episode, which it needed
to be done for sure. But again,

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I feel like we're seeing growth and
Rainer. Yes, you know,

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yes we saw a lot of growth
last episode, but we're seeing it again

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in this one. You know,
when he's on the bridge and he's having

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to make some decisions and leaning on
you know, the people on the bridge

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that he's not normally used to,
but you just see he's almost nervous at

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times, but understands his role in
his position and he obviously doesn't want to

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make the wrong decision, so you
know, he has to really put himself

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into a place that you know,
he's got to lean on his crew,

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and it shows that in this episode, and that was a great scene,

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the scene with him on the bridge
with the rest of the crew trying to

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come up with solution. One thing
I didn't notice about Rainer. I'm not

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sure if you guys notice he had
he would not sit down in the CATS's

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chair. He refused to sit down
in a capture chair. Never once did

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he walked around it. He had
his hand on it, but he never

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sat down. And I think that's
a very interesting character trait that they've added

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to that character. Rainer h I
hadn't noticed that, but that is brilliant.

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I mean, he's so active and
involved that it doesn't seem like he'd

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be content to sit still. But
it also seems like kind of a sign

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of responc like I'm here in this
support capacity, but I'm not going to

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try to, you know, replace
or succeed. I think there were there

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were two big growth opportunities that I
was glad to see them take in in

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Michael's sense, learning about the ballad
from Rayner's culture and using that as a

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way to connect That shows you know, I'm as invested in you as I

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am in the rest of this crew. And it was used appropriately. It

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didn't seem like it was forced or
anything else like that. By the same

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token, Rayner uses an aspect of
his own personality that he started with the

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twenty words or less, and he
uses that to practical effect with staments,

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which I think was great. It's
kind of like almost if you're a writer

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for the franchise and you're just saying, Okay, we're going to kind of

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cut the exposition down a little bit
because we need to keep see moving along,

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So twenty words are less and he
says, Okay, I get it.

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Here's the bottom line of what we
need to do. That was really

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well done and it was great to
see those both used to show how they

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their differences in leadership, but also
how they use those to the right effect.

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Yeah. Well, and Burnham uses
that ballad to reach out to Rayner

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to say, hey, it's me
here, this is what you need to

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do. Yeah, absolutely clever.
Yeah, it's great that these these little

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callbacks where we're seeing them later on
each in each episode. You know,

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everything's starting to connect. But there
is one thing, if I had any

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I don't exactly want to call it
a problem or anything with the episode.

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It's not specifically this episode. It's
it all depends on where we're going here.

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I thought it was really neat that
we saw the I S. S.

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Enterprise, But but why why why
did we see it? Why was

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it here? You know, what's
it have to do with the overall story.

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It could have been any ship,
you know, it could have been

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the Valiant, the Defiant, you
know, which is the one that disappeared

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during the the Tholian Crisis. I
will be really disappointed if they just ignore

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that and the whole Mere Universe thing, it doesn't come into place somewhere in

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this storyline that's coming up. I
hope that this doesn't just turn out to

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be one of those you know,
wouldn't it be cool if we did this

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moment for the series. I want
this to be part of this overall storyline.

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I wanted to come back, and
they're doing it with other stuff.

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I hope we see more of them. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

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I'd be surprised if that doesn't have
some kind of connection to the section thirty

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one movie. Yeah, or possibly
even something we see in you know,

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Strange New Worlds when it comes back. I hope it does. I do,

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Yeah, Yeah, I do do. I find it interesting. You

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know. Of course, after the
wormhole imploded, you know, we get

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to keep the ship, you know, and they find it off because they're

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gonna obviously probably try to fix it
to use it in a Yeah, a

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really great old ship. So I'm
hoping you're right way, and I hope

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that's going to come into play later
down the eard. I mean, we've

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only got what five more episodes to
go, right, so we don't have

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much room to wiggle with here.
So I'm hoping they're going to do something

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with it, because why else would
they show that scene at the end,

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right, I mean why? I
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episode, watching it, you got
to ask, you know, why are

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we doing this? Why? Why
is this here? Is it just just

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to be O we think this is
neat? But if they connected to the

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story, then I'll appreciate this in
the writers much more. Yeah. I

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tell you another scene that I found
very interesting too was we get a little

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bit of Tilly obviously recognizing something wrong
with Colbert and you know, he starts

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to tell her something, but obviously
stuff is happening and she has to take

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care of, you know, helping
with communications to you know, reach out

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to Burnham and stuff like that.
But we get to see more of that

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at the end of this episode between
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that, you know, Colbert is
this one who's always been there, you

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know, to help, you know, to fix people and you know those

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kind of things, but you know
he needs it too, Untilly recognizing that

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and you know, him actually reaching
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a character growth for both of them. Two. Definitely, Yeah, for

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sure, Yeah, I liked the
yep, the evolution of the Breed.

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Yes, it was welcome and surprising
in so many ways in terms of audio

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and visuals. So I think the
effect that they use for the whatever you

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call a voice processor for the Breed
that we've always read on DS nine was

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great to know that there's a choice
that they can change that much more defined

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in this episode. Yeah, with
Deep Space sign it was just gipperation and

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that's what it sound like. It
sounded like electronic gibbers. Here it sounded

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a little bit more like it actually
could be a language that could be understood.

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Locke made him speak so she could
understand him. Yes, yes, that

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was cool. Yes, yes,
interesting. They have new helmets that caused

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me to have a little bit of
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oh is this for wait a second, this is after DS nine, So

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they involved the helmets. There are
still the similarities, but obviously they lost

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the return of the Jedi Bosh helmets, probably because of trademark troubles with the

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Disney Mothership. But when they took
off their helmets, it was another It

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was a callback to the first meaning
of luck where he had kind of that

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transformation moment, seeing that that they
have a choice in the appearance did they

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take on and just the look of
them and that alternate look with the kind

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of the translucent look. It reminded
me of the old Tron figures or the

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Christar figures were growing up. Yeah, So I'd love to see one of

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those if they if they have the
chance. Yeah. Again, incredible special

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effects that they do in this series
is fantastic, you know. All right,

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Well, let's talk about which character
we think shine the most Scott to

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me, it's Cleveland Booker, Okay, his moment of sharing what he genuinely

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want, genuinely wants to help Mal
m hm remember reminding us that he lost

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Quajon and the impact that that has
on him and thinking of Mal as the

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last family that he has. And
yes he has a relationship with Michael,

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he has a lot of friends,
but actual personal ownership and concern for Mal

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and taking a chance to set wray
what his namesake got wrong as a father,

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right, feeling empathy for what's motivating
her and trying to find a diplomatic

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solution to try to reach her instead
of just you know, beating her to

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the next cliff. Well, I
think it's a two for I think this

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was mull Inlocke's story. We got
to learn so much about them and their

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motivation for what they're doing. You
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It's quite a jump for their characters. You know, we learned that

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they got the brain bounty on their
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he kind of give me a Hansole
and Chebacco vibe with them. Yeah,

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it does. Yeah, And then
you know, we got to see the

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flashbacks where they met and and why
they were together, which I really appreciate

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the series doing rather than just some
quick passing dialogue about it. You know,

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it's making me sympathetic for these characters
and which makes me want to see

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them more. And that's a good
sign of it's a sign of some great

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character development for the writers, and
it pulls you into the story more.

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When you do it that way,
you just give me some throw off dialogue.

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Okay, sure, fine, whatever, I'm not gonna be as interested.

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But when you go back and actually
show me the themes, you care

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about showing us the themes, then
obviously that's going to make me be more

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involved with their story and who they
are other who they're becoming. So yeah,

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exactly, absolutely sure. What about
you? So for me, I

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gotta go with Male. We're finally
getting to see those walls come down and

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we get to see who she is
and how much she cares about Locke because

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I mean, we know they care
about one another, but we didn't know

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why or how or you know,
how deep that went. But I also

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got to give it to Eve Harlowe
who plays Mold. I think she's shining

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in this episode as an actress.
Yeah, she really pulled off a lot

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in this one. Uh, you
know, her care of Locke and then

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you're having to deal with Booker and
then you know when she comes back and

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then she sees that, you know, Locke is injured. There's so much

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going on in this episode for everybody
really, but for ma I think she

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is the one for me that shine
the most. And Star Trek it has

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a tendency of giving, you know, one dimensional villain characters at times.

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She's definitely not one of them.
Oh yeah, not at all, not

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at all. Well, if you
could be any character in this episode,

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who would it be? And why? Scott? Well, it's a character

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we didn't see, and I had
to make a choice when choosing this too,

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I think you know where I'm going. Ultimately, I went with Debtmer

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getting to fly the ISS Enterprise next
Destination with Awoshikun in command. I love

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this pair and the relationship that they
have. I'm a big fan of Debtmer

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at the Helm. Seems like it
would be a fun trip for them,

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and there'd be plenty of time on
that bridge to explore with not a lot

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of pressure, possibly an interesting side
story of, you know, getting from

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point A to point B. I
hope it doesn't mean that they're not going

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to come back to highly doubt it, but it would be great to be

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able to explore there. I also
kind of wonder if the I'm going to

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flub on the name of the doctor
in Strange New Worlds that has a daughter

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that was kind of kept in a
buffer, Remember who I'm talking about?

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Yes, and Benga, thank you
very much. So I kind of wonder

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if there's something similar going on with
you SS Enterprise. I know they said

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that everybody's evacuated, you know,
all the escape pods are gone, all

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this other kind of stuff, But
yeah, it seems like there could be

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somebody hiding there or at least trapped
there. Uh, something else that comes

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up. But I remember they found
like the blankets and like the toy and

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you there's some stuff they were finding
there that show that people were living there.

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I mean that they left that enterprise
a long time ago because one of

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them became part of the scientists team
that was looking for the progenitors, you

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know, with with the Romulans,
and you know, we got to learn

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a little bit about the other people, but so we don't know what happened

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to them or who else was on
that shippy. Like I agree with you,

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David, to look like someone else
was on that ship. Yeah.

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They have a quick question though,
Wayne, for you, and this might

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be more Easter Egg just to remind
me, I've got a question in the

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easter Egg moment, Wayne, who
would you pick? I'm gonna choose burn

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him this time. Kind of similar
to your reasons because she got to wander

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around the infamous is S S Enterprise. She got to sit in the captain's

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chair, the same chair that Mirror
Kirk and Spock set in. She rode

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the ship while it was being pulled
out of the wormhole by that tractor being,

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which is I loved that scene.
I love that effect. I just

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I just thought that was cool.
And you know, I thought always snick

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with Martin Green. I think she
played the part beautifully, had such a

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great range of emotions here in this
episode from beginning to end. I I

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really I've always liked the character Burnham
from the beginning. I like the growth,

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and I just I love her this
season. The choice. So for

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for me, I am don't laugh. No, I want you to work.

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It's grudge because I get anything handed
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do anything unless I want to.
There you go, oh yeah, I

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go with that. But I'm gonna
I'm gonna give a hop of an answer

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here because let's be serious for a
moment. I would pick Locke to be

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serious. First off, he has
a really cool look to him. But

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what he has to let go of
in order because he cares about Mole so

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much and he has to go on
the room with I mean, he even

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at first, you know, doesn't
want to because he obviously knows what's going

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to be on them if they do
the bounty and those kind of things.

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He kind of doesn't want to,
but you know sometimes that love just gets

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in the way. It makes you
do things that you wouldn't normally do.

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And you know, we get to
see him, you know, make that

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decision. But come on, you
know he gets he gets to have Eve

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Harlowe on his side. So hey, yeah, you can't complain about that

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at all. Well, yeah,
and you bring up a good point,

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like he's the reason he has a
death sentence. Yeah on him is you

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know Maul would be uh not pursued
if it wasn't for him. Yeah,

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but yeah, that's a good choice. Thanks. Right. How about some

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easter eggs? Wayne, Oh,
there were a few of them in this

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episode. But first I want to
mention off that for the second episode in

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a row, Doug Jones just not
appear and he's not credited. I hope

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we haven't seen the last of him. I'm starting to get worried, but

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hopefully he'll return with more of a
story. But getting into the easter eggs,

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this episode firmly established a lot of
the history after of the Mere Universe.

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From between the original series and U
Space nine. We learned that the

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Terran Empire, which we saw that
was they first appeared in the original series

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Mirror Mirror. It survived well into
the twenty fourth century, but was ultimately

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defeated by the Cardassian Klingon Alliance,
which is where we saw it when it

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appeared the second time in Due Space
nine's episode Crossover. I also found interesting

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that the plaque that Booker saw on
the Iss Enterprise in the transporter room showed

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a start eate of three two Sixsculy
three two three three six point six and

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showing that that's the date of the
Enterprise escaped the Mere Universe into the Prime

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Universe. That places that event happening
about nine years before the events of Encounter

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far point. Yeah. It also
states that the on the plaque that the

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new High Chancellor was killed, which
the High Chancellor was the Mere version of

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Spock. Now, we already knew
he was dead from the dialogue that Kira

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said in Crossover, but now from
the what was on the plaque, we

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now know how and why he died
and what happened next after that. Interesting

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well, okay, and also this
episode it's revealed that, as we said

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before, Locke is Breen, this
is the first time in Star Trek history

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that we've seen a Breen with al
the helmet on. Yeah. They were

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first mentioned the in name on an
episode called The Loss from the Next Generation's

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fourth season, and then again they
were mentioned in Hero Worship and Star Trek

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Generations. We never actually got to
see him on screen until Deep Spaceline's fourth

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season, the episode in and then
they appeared throughout the rest of the series.

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They had the Brain had allied themselves
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the Dominion War, and they also
appeared in an episode of Voyger, one

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episode of Voyger, in one episode
of Lower Decks. Yeah, it's nice

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now we have a face to the
helmets that we've always seen. Yeah,

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and then also we've got Tilly was
looking for the loose Cardassian bowl. We

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found out on d Space nine that
they can be a real pain in the

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ass if they get into the wire. And of course I'm going to mention

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state the obvious here that the sets
of the Iss Enterprise were just to reuse

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of the standing sets from Strange New
Worlds. I just hope that they've cleaned

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them up before they started filming that
series, because they were a mess.

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Yes, they were all right,
Well, so go ahead. Well,

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so there's one thing I want to
ask about, and I'm not too sure

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of it, and it makes me
want to go back and watch Pickard season

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three. I feel like I remember, I guess what I'm getting at is

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the vial that they find that's part
of the Progenitor's next clue. I feel

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like when they showed the change links
being held in stasis, instead of being

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that that solid copper fluid opaque fluid, I feel like the vials that they

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were being kept in they were clear
and that maybe they were blue, but

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I'm not too sure of that.
So there's part of me that wonders,

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are they going to say that what's
contained in the vial is a changelinger has

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something to do with it? Just
because we continue to see that that image

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of the progenitor and the same the
same person was the lead changeling in DS

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nine, it might be interesting to
see if that's the only part of the

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clue. That would be what do
they call that's a retcon or something would

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be a really interesting thing if they
do connect the two. I like that

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idea. Is this the Hawfmin prediction? The Whited prediction has done well so

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far This season says this the Hoffman
prediction. Sure, well, if it's

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Hoffman, then I'll just have to
change my mind like three times and then

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it'll be unbrand. That works better. All right, gentlemen. So what

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are we seeing for next week?
I believe the episode called Whistle Speak?

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Yep, yeah, not much.
No, they showed that one minute clip,

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but the really one which can get
you can get off of that.

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It showed burn Him and Tilly on
what looks like a primitive planet with some

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dangers, and one of them is
very ill and having trouble and breathing.

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It doesn't give you much to go. Although I hope that this means that

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Tilly's getting off the ship and we're
going to see a lot more of her.

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I hope, So, I hope, So yeah, I do kind

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of wonder, like, you know, they have that respiratory condition that's taking

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a bunch of people out. I
wonder if it's going to you know,

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come out that it's some kind of
species that lives that way. Yeah,

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you know, is every time you
hear them kind of that kind of wine

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in their voice is actually another species
trying to speak and we just can't understand

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them. Yeah, Well, any
clear clear we got to deal with the

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prime directive. I know that was
mentioned too, you know in that scene.

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So yeah, yeah, you know. So it definitely looks like it's

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going to be an interesting episode,
that's for sure. It feels like it

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could be a self contained episode.
Yeah. I'm not saying it's not going

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to connect to the rest of the
story, but it feels like it could

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be a separate, one episode story
from the rest of the season. Yeah,

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it could be. All right.
Well, Wayne and Scott, thank

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you so much for joining me on
the bridge for another episode. It's always,

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