Phasers Set To Stun: recapping Discovery: Red Directive and Under the Twin Moons

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Space the final Frontier. Join us
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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
Phasers Set to Stune, where we continue

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to show our love for everything Star
Trek in this ongoing series from a film

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by podcast which focuses on every quadrant
of the expanding universe of Trek by covering

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television, animation, movies, directors, and more. Plotting the course,

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as always is your Core Trek crew. I'm David Burns, I'm sco Hoffan,

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and I'm Wayne Whiten. Well,
gentlemen, it's time to shift some

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gears from our discussions of Starter Trek
and move into a new quadrant, a

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new century, the thirty second century
to be exact, with Star Trek Discovery

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Season five. The final season looks
like During the season, our crew in

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Discovery is trying to find a mysterious
power that has been hidden for centuries.

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But before we start discussing our first
two episodes of the season, let's talk

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a little bit about how things ended
in season four, Wayne, what can

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you give us? I can give
you a little recap on it. When

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a new phenomenon suddenly appears and destroys
an entire solar system, it becomes clear

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that a grave new threat to the
galaxy and a mystery that confounds even thirty

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second century scientists, the dark Matter
anomaly. Michael Burnham has been promoted to

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captain of the US's Discovery, which
is sent to investigate the anomaly and discover

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that has been artificially created by a
race labeled unknown species ten C. Flying

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past the Great Barrier at the edge
of our galaxy with hope sub making first

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contact and a peaceful negotiation, their
chances are hindered when a scientist named Tarka

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unleashes a weapon to destroy the ten
C and the DMA. But Burnham and

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Discovery we're able to stop Tarka and
make peace with the ten C, and

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then the end Earth finally decides to
rejoin the Federation. All right, well,

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thank you for that, Wayne.
So in this one, we like

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we said, we're starting season five
of Discovery, the final season that they

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made the announcement a while back.
We're gonna be talking about the first two

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episodes which they gave us Red Directive, and they gave us Under the Twin

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Moons, and we're gonna start working
for those Black Alert spoilers ahead, So

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if you haven't seen these episodes,
please stop and go view them and come

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back to join us. All right, let's talk about our first episode,

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guys, Red Directive, Wayne,
can you give us a summary? Yeah,

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the USS Discovery is sent on a
top secret Red Directive pride Already mission

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to recover an item from an eight
hundred year old romulent science vessel down on

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the edge of the Beta Quadrant.
But after two scavengers locate and steal the

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item out from underneath them, the
Discovery crew find themselves embarking on a wild

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chase across the galaxy to uncover a
mystery linked to Starfleet's past and the creation

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of all life itself. Well,
guys, we are in the midst of

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Discovery starting a new season. A
few things I noticed right away with this

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episode. The cgi'spatial effects are amazing. I'm not going to argue that we

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are top notch motion picture quality,
absolutely, but for me, the humor

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that they had in this episode felt
very flat and forced. It's like they

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were trying too hard? Was that
just me? Did you guys catch that?

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No, it was the quippiness of
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like it was moments where it shouldn't
have really happened, Like it felt like

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using those kind of lines and in
situations like a you know, oh I'm

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gonna feel that one or something like
that, it just seemed like a little

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too light. And now that there's
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it just felt out of place and
it kind of took me out of the

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moment. I absolutely agree the cinematic
quality the special effects is doing a lot

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to raise the bar for Star Trek
and acknowledging that. You know, when

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Star Trek Discovery came onto Paramount Plus, it was the first taste of Star

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Trek we had had in a while. And I think consistently it's the production

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quality is upping the game and we're
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Worlds. And I kind of liked
to see it behind the scenes feature I

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think from the ready room that talked
about their version of the volume from the

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Lucasfilm camp or there in the Star
Wars territory that they're calling their version of

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the volume of the Holidack like it's
kind of a clever nod. But yeah,

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that's why it's kind of disappointing to
have little moments of levity and those

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quips and the dialogue to take me
out of it, and it just it

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was little seeds of disappointment, I
guess for me. Yeah, it took

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me a little bit to get into
this, the story of this episode,

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I guess, just like you were
saying, you know, someone that was

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taking me out of the episode.
But the biggest one for me was having

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Burnham on the top of this ship
as it's going warp speed. Yeah,

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okay, it didn't work for me
at all. There's two parts of that

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for me. One is the plausibility
of somebody doing that. And I know

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there's a lot of new tech and
you know, there's a lot of advancements

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out there in the future, but
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it still seems implausible. It just
seems like something that it's a bit far

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fetched. Yeah, I agree with
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hit a lot of the problems right
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there is an eight hundred year jump
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of technology that we've never seen before. But there's no there's no explanations to

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it. They just the writers,
the producers just expect us to accept it.

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You know, this is the way
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it's okay, some of it's pretty
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That was really hard to accept.
Yeah, especially as an opening scene.

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Yeah, right, exactly, like
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rest of what we're going to expect. And there was a definite tone shift

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when we went to four days earlier
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seemed like the tone was getting back
into it. But starting off on that

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it was the wrong foot for me. Yeah. The one thing that I'll

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give them kudos for is after that
happens, when she's floating in space and

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she's twisting around and the cameras twisting
with her she's floating through. I thought

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that was fantastic. There's another TV
show called The Expanse. They did an

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incredible job with that, with that
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they did it. They capture that
here in Star Trek. I thought that

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was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I personally

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liked this episode. I thought it
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You know, it definitely has the
stakes for the beginning of a good season

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story, you know, and we'll
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it. But you know, I'll
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really burned by the last two years
the show, especially the third season,

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which I love the idea of them
jumped to thirty second century. I love

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the idea of of of you know, exploring something that we've never seen before

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and all the chances that it brings. And it was a great season,

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but just fell flat at the ending. It was one of the worst endings

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in my opinion, you know,
for Star Trek for a season. And

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and that's what really is going to
matter here to me. It's how they

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conclude this story. You know.
Will it be satisfying, you know and

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exciting or is it going to be
underwhelming and disappointing like I had before?

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You know. But we're we're all
here for the wild ride, and we'll

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just have to see where it takes
us. You know, what do you

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guys think about the new the two
new characters, Moll and Lack. I

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mean, they're they're interesting. I
mean, we don't know too much about

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them yet other than what we learned
in the second episode. We'll talk about

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that later, but they're interesting characters
and you know, we'll see I think

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one of the things that piqued my
interest with the two of them, it

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was interesting there their outfit in the
beginning, it kind of looked like,

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you know, it was out of
tron legacy or something like that. But

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when they both kind of lost the
helmets, Mauls goes off pretty cleanly,

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but then Lot it almost seemed like
his face was going through some kind of

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shifting there with it, and I
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to do with, you know,
his head doesn't fit in the helmet the

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right way, or if he's from
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bit of malleability to him. At
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a changeling kind of descendant or something
like that. But we'll see what happens.

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So at least there's a little bit
of mystery and intrigue, and like

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you said, when anytime they explore
something new, it's very interesting. The

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first two seasons really had me,
you know, happy about the direction of

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Trek, especially with the Kelpians and
Saru. I think he was an amazing

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character, making some great headway with
a lot of the characters on here.

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But yeah, you said it perfectly. The past two seasons just seemed a

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little bit far fetched, and I've
got to say a lot focused on Michael

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Or who I think is a very
strong character. I think is a very

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strong captain, no doubt about it. It just seems odd that Michael is

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at the crux and the forefront of
practically ever mission. It seems like I'm

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not really seeing other characters. If
it was another character righting the back of

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that ship, I would think it
was a little bit more interesting because we'd

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get a little bit more out of
that character. We've had so much focus

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on Michael. I feel like we've
developed that character quite a bit, and

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we've been talking about next Generation for
seven episodes, and I don't think it

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feels like in a lot of those
episodes there's a question about whether Picard should

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be off the bridge, if the
captain should be off the bridge doing all

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these things, and it seems like
Michael is a lot more active and involved

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in missions than we've seen before.
It seems like that wouldn't really be something

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they'd want to do again. You
hit it right on the head. With

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this series, it's they they have
a real problem with a lot of their

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character development. You know, there
are quite a few characters that we've seen

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since the first season that they really
have not They've they've sorely under used.

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These characters. We hardly have seen
or know anything about them. You know.

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We know they don't have to do
it this way because we saw you

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know, Strange New Worlds in which
you know, had an episode about each

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one of them. They you know, by the end of season two,

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we knew all the characters very well. But here there are so characters that

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we just are very unfamiliar with.
And I you know, I know they

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have shorter season, especially this season
now it's it's been shorter by by three

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episodes, but you still have to
to, you know, let us have

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a chance to feel for these characters, and that I don't have that.

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I've never had that with this series. I just they just don't feel like

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a coherent crew, you know,
one that I could actually you know,

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invest my time and my love for. Yeah, yeah, particularly the Bridge

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crew. I mean like Ooshakun,
for example. There aren't many characters other

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than her that I'm really seeing like
where their progression would be, whereas on

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some other shows, you would you
would be able to understand, you know,

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who might be in the running for
the number one position, right you

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know. Yeah, and that's when
I didn't really know who would succeed Saru

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because I haven't really seen that many
other people from the crew or from the

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bridge crew developed. Yeah, so
it became a big question mark. But

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no, I completely agree with you. I did, like, like I

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said, going back to some of
the special effects, when they went to

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the new planet and they had to
do the bikes, they had to you

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know, race off on those,
I thought that was incredibly well done,

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using the two ships shields and stuff
to basically block the avalanche to save the

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people. All the special effects were
pretty pretty good, you know, some

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of maybe a little bit over the
top, but I thought all of was

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fantastic. The only thing they didn't
like there was the that three shot they

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did. Yes, I was not
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You know what that reminded me of? That reminded me of ang Lee's Hawk.

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Are you reading my notes able to
see them? Because that's exactly where

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I went to It's not even like
the you know, the juxtapositions in the

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three faces. That'd be one thing, but the way they kind of came

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on one at a time, Yeah, exactly. It was. It was

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Anglee trying to kind of panel this
out like it was a comic book,

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and it just yeah, it seemed
really really strange. It did, and

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it pulled me out of it,
just as you mentioned before. And another

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thing that pulled me out of the
episode that one did too, And I'm

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like, I kind of cruised a
little bit. I'm like, uh,

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that doesn't work right there, and
you know, you're you're right. The

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FX was incredible, especially those final
scenes, but I'm not I'm not entirely

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convinced you're sure about these ships crashing
their sausage sections into the ground. Cis

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that it might have been a little
bit too far from you. You know,

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can ship like Discovery, you know, not only survive but you know,

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still remade at usable ship after it's
impacted on the ground and the crew

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inside. That's those must be one
hell of stabilizers, you know, get

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here you keep them from from flying
in splashing up against the bulkheads. It

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looked great, though, I mean
it was. It was an It was

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a unique I've got to give him
this, It was a very unique way

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of doing it. We have solving
the problem, and at least they kind

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of account for in the next episode
where they're cleaning dust off of the ships

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and all they're looking at they're looking
at to clean their own blood off the

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ship, right right, exactly.
Yeah, definitely an odd situation though,

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for sure. Did we have thoughts
on Fred, Yeah, we do.

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Please Wayne enlighten us as well.
Fred is uh Data's unwanted brother. I

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guess I don't know, you know, the brother he wishes he never had.

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I'm not sure. It's just because
how's that. Was there any point

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of making him that, making him
that injured, I don't see the point

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of that there was. It had
nothing to do with the storyline. Nothing.

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I don't know about making him that. I know. The reason they

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made him DROI so that they could
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they could see what was in that
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that, no, there was no
you know, there was no reasons there

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was, you know, for making
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let's that sounds cool, let's do
that. Yeah, it seemed like there

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were a lot of points where it
was kind of like, we're gonna spice

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up this recipe with a couple of
dashes of the next generation. We're gonna

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have a big plot thread for the
chase. We're gonna poss up Captain Picard's

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image, which doesn't mean anything to
Discovery because they skipped over all that or

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as far as you know. And
then Fred. Yeah, the mention of

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Fred's name was another thing that just
took me out where it was kind of

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like, okay, we'll just accept
that it's Fred, just one name like

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Prince. That's fine, and that's
okay. But it was just a little

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bit of quirkiness that I was like, oh, it feels like a quip,

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just like data. That thing he
looked just like data, and you

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know, if he was built by
Alton. Soon they soon had moved past

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that. You know, look think
of the body that he gave data,

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the real data you know in Star
Trek, the card. He's moved past

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this this type that Nooni and Solim
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don't understand why he looked like that. It seemed like kind of a shame

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because you know, I know there's
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I thought it was fantastic and I
think it's interesting the advancements in synth that

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they had made at that point.
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to look more like an advanced synth. That's beyond that. I think it

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would have been much more interesting to
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then maybe it gives an opportunity to
say, like, you know, what

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has happened to the synth planet that
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one. You know, there are
a lot of contention around synth rights and

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all this other kind of stuff,
and they have that technology because we saw

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that in season four, the the
or the character's name, but the trail

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that was put into one of the
bodies that was like that, just like

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the Card's new bodies, So we
know that that technology still exists. Yeah,

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it does an odd odd choice,
odd choice for sure of an odd

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choice. Yeah, Well, any
characters that you felt shined the most in

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this episode, Scott, So the
the two characters that I was happiest to

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see one was Tilly because I think
her her character, especially in the first

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two seasons, was great. I
was captivated by the idea. We had

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some continuations from you know, themes
we've seen in lower decks, really cheering

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for Tilly, and I'm glad that
Billy has found a place at the Academy

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and that it's not going to change. It's not like, well coming back

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now, Nope, happy with where
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the character that shine the most I
thought was doctor Hugh Culbert. Okay,

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I think doctor Culbert does a consistently
great job. I think that's a character

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that has been fleshed out very,
very well, especially the after death experience.

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I thought that was fascinating. But
Hugh's demeanor, tone, approach to

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the entire situation, even though it
had you know, interactions with Fred,

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seemed like one of the coolest and
collected members of the crew and somebody who

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was like, I genuinely want to
hear more about doctor Colbert, even though

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that wasn't necessarily case for a lot
of the other characters around Wayne, what

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about you, I'm gonna say for
this episode it was going to be Booker.

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You know, I'm kind of in
a love hate relationship with this character

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because you know, he was introduced
back in the third season, and I

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really liked his character during that third
season, but fourth season, I just

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wanted him to go away. Did
not like him at all. There was

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just too much side character drama going
on with him in that story. Took

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me out of everything that was happening
there. But here now here, he's

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back in the episode. He's a
lot to do and but he has a

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purpose for being there. You know. I just I just hope they don't

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overdo it again, especially with his
relationship with Burnham, because that's what I

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felt was a major problem of season
four. You know, we just don't

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have enough episodes this season to go
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Yes, I agree, completely agree
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Uh, he wasn't on screen very
much. But I loved Vance him walking

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in stopping security from arresting Tilly when
she broke into the database, him him

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after he got rid of the security, you know, him walking in with

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It's a shame that I didn't get
here in time, you know, to

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basically stop her. I really like
Vance ode Arthur odd Fair. Yes,

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he's fantastic in this role. He
brings just such a presence on screen with

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him. Any movie he's done he's
like that, you know. I always

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remember him from the Mummy series.
You know. He just brings that presence

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that you just you watch everything he
does and everything he said as you listen

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to it, you know. So
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for sure. I agree Kuess.
If you could be in a character,

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what would you be? Wayne?
Oh? Well, I'm gonna have to

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say Captain Rayner, only because I
really like the design of the USS and

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Tari's kind of looks like a thirty
second century version of the Stargazer, the

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card ship, and I always loved
that design. I always thought that was

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great with the four new cells.
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you know, with his argument with
Captain Burnham's plan, because I see exactly

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see where he's coming from, and
he, you know, he wants to

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be in charge of the mission.
I don't agree with their plan either,

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but it works, so, you
know, And there's some good stuff come

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up within the second episode that I
appreciated anyway, And we'll talk about that

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here shortly. Scott, what about
you? For me, I would think

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it would have to be Lieutenant Commander
Joan Oshagun m hmm, just because the

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I'd be fascinated to see how they
were reacting to music, the saucerge sections

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to stop the avalanche, like when
those orders come in to be like,

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how are we going to do this
again? Okay, all right, let's

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get this done. I wish Good
and Debtmer are consistently some some high points

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for me on the bridge. And
I don't know if it's just you know

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the fact that they're pilots and I
always think that's that's fascinating. I think

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their their characters are fascinating. I
think the the acting is superb with both

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of those characters. So I'm consistently
happy to see them. But yeah,

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for me, it'd be like how
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Yeah, what about you, Dave. I'm gonna go with my man

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Vance again because he's just so damn
cool and anytime he's on screen, he

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just he just demands that your attention
and so good it has to be.

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I agree, yeah, Wayne,
any I know we talked about a few

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Easter eggs, any anything else.
Oh, Discovery's not known too much for

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its Easter eggs, but there are
a few. This season, and one

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of the big ones I want to
point out is the title sequences once again

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got an upgrade. It now includes
elements that are directly linked to the story

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for the season. The two moons
orbiting a planet. Moulinlock's ship is in

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it as well, and then that
device that also activates the Infinity Room,

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which is seen on there, and
I like how they update each of the

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title sequences every year. For this
we also saw a Romulin science vessel.

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It's the same design that we saw
in the Next Generation during season five's Next

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Phase and a few other episodes,
and the Romulins are still wearing their uniforms

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from that era of Trek. It's
nice to see those. And then of

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course, you know, we got
the mention of doctor Alton Sooom from The

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Cards first season. We got to
see a self ceiling stembolt again, something

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we've heard a lot about in Deep
Space nine but still have no idea what

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it does. And then of course
at the end, we got the mentioned

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in the shot of Captain Card as
well as the Progenitors that's from the Next

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Generation again. It's six season episode
called the Chase, which kind of makes

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this season a sequel to that story, So it does. It would be

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important probably to go back and look
at that episode and watch and see what

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they're talking about before completing the season. And how interesting that we covered the

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chase episode in one of our episodes
this done. Yeah, that's right.

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We chose it. We chose it
as one of our top ten of season

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six, So go watch it,
absolutely absolutely all right, anything else on

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that episode, guys before we move
on to the next one. Uh no,

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I don't think so. All right, grew, Let's take a quick

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break and then we'll come back with
our thoughts on episode two. Well,

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keep those eyes peeled, Scott tell
us about our next episode Under the Twin

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Moons, yep so, And this
one, we see Michael joins Seru on

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his last mission as her number one
as part of the Discovery crew, and

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they continue to search for more pieces
the Progenitor's puzzle. Their mission takes place

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on what seems to be a desolate
planet lettered with defensive artifacts that try to

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kill them. We also to get
a closer look at the bounty hunting Bonnie

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and Clyde mull Unlocke with some psychological
profile and an interesting conversation, and we

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get some more clues as to what
to expect from this giant mystery they're trying

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to solve as a sequel to the
Chase. So this episode I felt was

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a little bit better than in the
first episode. And one of the scenes

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we already kind of briefly talked about
it was the Burnham and looking at Rayner.

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You know, that whole scene there
with the President where they're being questioned

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about their plans and stuff like that. I felt that whole scene right there

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was really really interesting between Burnham and
Rayner, especially when Rayner was basically going

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off the deep end and basically,
hey, you know, I'm going to

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take fault with this and everything,
and she looks a him and said,

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you're not helping yourself as he was
just you know, going off. I

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thought i'd like that scene. I
really did. Between the two of them

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and what they're dealing with with the
President, it was interesting to see them

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kind of pursue the consequences for certain
decisions and actions. It's also slightly interesting

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because the previous episode was called red
directive, which I had never heard of

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before. Yeah, which seems to
mean, you know, nothing else matters,

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but achieving this directive, which seems
a little odd in a Star Trek

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universe. There's there's the Omega directive, which we saw in Voyager, which

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is pretty much the same thing,
just for different reason. But this is

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for so bad. So what is
the Omega directive? There's a a molecule

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that, if discovered, it's required
that all Starfleet captains drop everything to destroy

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it because it's it's it could lead
to the destruction of the universe. Interesting,

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Okay, all right, wow,
but it just seems to it gives

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an extra variable to that kind of
courtroom drama. Right, Yeah, No,

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I had a red directive that means, by any means necessary, make

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this happen, and you know,
but still balancing that with the consequences of

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yeah, but we didn't mean,
you know, trigger an avalanche that would

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wipe out a civilization, right,
maybe stop short of that. But no,

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I agree, it was a little
better than the first episode. I

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still find myself scratching my head about
the the driving force behind the crisis with

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this one. Going back to the
chase, as I recall, it was

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a largely historical and archaeological mission from
Captain McCart Now we can talk about it

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spoiler free, but so it seemed
to be a you know, an important

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part of history that must not be
lost because it can help us learn a

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lot more about ourselves. Then we
have the Klingons, the Cardassian thing on

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the Cardassians, and eventually the Romulans
come in and say, we'll hold on

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a second. Since it's scattered throughout
the universe, and clearly it's very cleverly

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designed and millions of years old,
it might must either be one of the

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greatest power sources which we have to
take for ourselves, one of the greatest

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weapons which we have to take for
ourselves. And then it just ends up

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being an answering machine message from the
species that, you know, the progenitors

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that had a literal hand in every
humanoid species in the galaxy, And it

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seemed to be a message of unity
to say, you've been spread out across

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the galaxy. We knew that we
wouldn't make it essentially, so we wanted

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there to be something left of us. Makes us very happy that you've all

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been able to come back together with
a sense of unity to find this message.

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And we just want you to know
that you have you have more in

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common than you have differences between you. It seems like a learning moment,

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and it seemed like it really resonated
with the Romulins, in particular with their

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ending communication with Picard. Basically,
there is no power, There is no

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great source like the Klingon. Captain
was like, but that's it. An

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answering machine message. That's all we
get. Yeah, And it seems like

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that's all it needed to be.
So to dig that up just feels kind

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of strange to me. It does. I'm curious and where they're going to

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go with it, you know.
I mean, we've got a bunch more

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episodes to go to see how they're
going to uncover this puzzle that they're putting

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together. I'll see where it goes. I agree with you, Scott.

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I felt like in the Chase that
we got everything we needed in that episode.

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It was all wrapped up and nice
and neat. We don't need to

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know any more about it. But
yet here we are and going back over

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I feel like stuff. You've already
gone over it, and just in a

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bigger way. I guess you could
say, but I'll I'll see where they're

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going with it. I'll see people. I mean, it could be,

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you know, it could be the
antithesis of what we saw in the chase,

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you know. Yeah, with that
one being kind of this peaceful distribution

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with you know, best intentions in
mind. Maybe there's a flip of that

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where there is an aspect of the
progenitors where they understood that something was so

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dangerous that it shouldn't be around anymore, so they hit it in different places.

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I was into the impression they were
looking for the technology that was used

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that the Progenitors used to create live
Now, I don't know how that would

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be you know, dangerous or something
unless you know, someone was trying to

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create new life or or if it
has something it could possibly destroy the life

406
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.400
of the universe or whatever that's in
the universe. But that's what I thought

407
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.680
that we were leading towards that they're
looking for. Yeah, yeah, okay,

408
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.599
yeah, I mean that can make
more sense if you look at it

409
00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.759
that way. So okay, I'll
take it that way. One thing I

410
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:03.119
do learn and in this episode of
Star Trek is they love cats spot It's

411
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:11.920
still my favorite, but here we
have Gritge with the little holographic mouse toy.

412
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:17.319
Yeah, I thought that was kind
of funny. So the scenes between

413
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:22.359
Burnham and Saru down on the planet
where they're fighting the little globe droids wherever

414
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:29.039
you want to call them. I
always enjoyed the dialogue between those two.

415
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.319
Again, I know we're seeing Burnham
quite a lot. She showed me down

416
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:34.839
on the planet, should be up
with the ship. But again that's besides

417
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.359
the point Scott. We've already talked
about that one. But I always loved

418
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.039
the dialogue, the relationship between these
two, and it's always fun to see

419
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.079
them on screen together. And they
did it again, you know that the

420
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.240
dialogue that they had. You know, you could tell that. You know,

421
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.160
we know Saru is leaving. He's
made his decision and this is like

422
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.119
his last mission with them, and
he's down on there, you know,

423
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.000
because he wants to be there,
because it's his last mission. You got

424
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.680
handed to Doug Jones. This guy
is something special. Yeah, I mean

425
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:09.279
the guy is now running in these
what hooked boots yeah and making it look

426
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:17.039
easy. Yeah yeah, crazy right
here. Yeah. His his ability not

427
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:22.359
only as an actor, but as
a i'd say an expert in movement.

428
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:27.920
You know, it's it's fascinating to
me to watch Saru walk because it's like

429
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.680
watching a willow tree, you know, like his hands kind of flow back

430
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:38.519
and forth like branches. Yeah,
he definitely invests emotionally and physically everything that

431
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.160
he has into this character. He's
consistently been one of my favorite characters of

432
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:49.720
the show, and it seemed a
little it seemed a little odd, I

433
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:55.359
guess for somebody who seems so iconic
to Discovery to think that this would be

434
00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:00.279
his last episode, which is something
that's not too clear to me. Like

435
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.200
I've seen behind the scenes things in
the reading room where he's talking about,

436
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:06.119
you know, took off my makeup
for the last time. I don't have

437
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:07.799
to get on those hoof boots anymore, And it was like, oh,

438
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.359
is that it for Saru? Like
Saru doesn't last all the way to the

439
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.559
end of the series, which is
fine, they can, you know,

440
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:20.400
do whatever they want, but a
little surprising to me. Yeah, And

441
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.880
you know, I think that was
probably my favorite part of the episode.

442
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:28.519
Two of Sarrow and Burnham's scenes together. They are the two characters that have

443
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.839
developed the most chemistry through the series. They they they had been the one

444
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:36.119
to benefit the most, and it's
always great seeing the two of them together

445
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.039
for in a whole you know,
this episode didn't quite work as well for

446
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:44.720
me as the first episode. You
know, there were some great shots,

447
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.880
especially that shot on the planet with
the Nick Croppolis. I thought that was

448
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:53.480
incredible. And you know, I
just I found the episode to be very

449
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:59.279
very wordy. It was. Yeah, there was a lot of technobabble in

450
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.119
this episode, and I know Star
Trek usually has a lot of it in

451
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:07.039
every episode anyways, but in my
opinion, it really slowed things down here

452
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.360
for it's you know, I just
I wanted to yell at the screen and

453
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:15.480
say shut up, just good all
with that? You know, you know,

454
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.320
it made for just a very slower
paced episode. And you know,

455
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.760
we've only got ten episodes of season, so I don't know, can we

456
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.639
afford to have a slower paced episode. You just have to wait and see,

457
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.000
you know, what they have to
do later on. But I am

458
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.480
happy to hear that we are waiting
to see Trill again, you know,

459
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.480
the one planet that hasn't been explored
too much. We had an entire character

460
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.719
about it in These Space nine,
yet it wasn't really the planet itself wasn't

461
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.599
really explored that much, So be
great to see it again on the show.

462
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.840
This isn't the first time we've seen
it. On Discovery, But I'm

463
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.719
always looked forward to to seeing these
planets absolutely. And another thing I found

464
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:55.079
very very nice and neat is how
they bought the Burnham and through his character

465
00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:02.239
in full circle where she's basically thanking
him for that second chance that he gave,

466
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.320
you know, and then you know
the whole dialogue thing they had about

467
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.519
about second chances and yes, he
said thank you to throu and he's like,

468
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.840
for what for, you know,
for giving me that second chance,

469
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.800
which leads into who she decides is
going to be her number one and Wayne,

470
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:21.239
who is that that she picked?
Yeah, and that will be Captain

471
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:25.400
Rayner formerly of the us A Centauris, which I'm glad to see. I'm

472
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.760
glad that she chose him. You
know, everybody deserves a second chance,

473
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:34.280
and you know, we're giving Discovery
a second chance and she's giving him one.

474
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.440
And so it'll be interesting sticking someone
that disagrees with you so much as

475
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.159
your first officer. You know.
I like that when he says I'm not

476
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.159
a yes man and zips up the
jacket, basically saying yes, I'll take

477
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.400
the position. Yeah, right,
that was pretty cool. It's also interesting

478
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:55.320
to think about the dynamic of somebody
who is born in this modern era,

479
00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:00.639
right, who gets to have more
perspective. Maybe we'll get more hints as

480
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.400
to you know, we've already spent
some time here, so it's not like

481
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:10.079
it's brand new, but procedurally,
but also you know historically, you know

482
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.519
some of the things that we might
have missed between that I didn't know.

483
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.000
So, yeah, how do you
guys feel about the family connection between Mole

484
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.519
and the Booker. Well, I
mean, you know, I don't know

485
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.719
where they're going to go with that. Yeah, you know it. I

486
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:30.039
as soon as he started looking closer
at the video, I knew that there

487
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:31.840
was going to be some sort of
like family connection or something like that.

488
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:37.760
So you know, I don't know, wait to see. Yeah, I

489
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.599
mean, it'll be interesting to see
the you know, the Booker legacy that

490
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:47.840
they get into with his predecessor.
It feels like it isn't absolutely necessary.

491
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.360
I mean, it might give a
little bit more backstory into Booker, although

492
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:58.400
we don't have many episodes left.
It might give like a future purpose maybe

493
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:04.000
the connection between the two cares.
But I'm not entirely convinced that it's necessary.

494
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.679
But see where it goes. I'll
trust the other eight episodes. If

495
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.639
you're coming up absolutely all right,
which character you think Sean knows in this

496
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.679
episode? Wayne, Oh, it's
that's sorrow. Yeah. I love Doug

497
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.639
Jones. Wait we all do you
even know now that I've I personally met

498
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.519
him. He's a fantastic guy.
And he hugged and he hugged me.

499
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.519
Yes, he's a big hugger and
and you know, you look at the

500
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.119
character and you just want to hug
him back. But you know here he

501
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.519
stands at having he's been given so
much more prominent part in this episode.

502
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.239
Uh, he's got a few action
scenes here and his his scenes with Burnham

503
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.480
on the planet are are the best
parts of this episode. You know,

504
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.000
I just hope that with with him
getting married, this isn't the last we

505
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.000
see him. It does seem like
it. But I just I want him

506
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.480
to continue. I want him to
continue on to look the final episode.

507
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.639
But you know, I don't know, I don't look too promising right now

508
00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:00.159
with him getting married. It doesn't
Scott, what about you here? For

509
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.079
two? I'm going with Saru.
I I don't know if I agree with

510
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:09.679
the action Sero Moniker, like you
squeeze the legs together and his quills come

511
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:15.920
out. You know, the action
scenes we've already talked about, uh,

512
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.519
their their dialogue, the the fact
that their character art comes full circle,

513
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.639
and the part where you use at
the quills to shoot at the drones.

514
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.280
That just took me back to that. That whole deep dive into Kelpian culture

515
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:36.960
was fascinating. Even finding the clues
in the the iridescent bacteria. I thought

516
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.480
that was clever. Oh yeah,
it was so all the things that they

517
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.679
gave him to do. If this
is his last one, then it's a

518
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:49.440
it's a high note to go out
on. It's three for three. Clearly,

519
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.079
Saru is the one who shined the
most in this episode, and everything

520
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.719
that both of you guys said is
absolutely on par with what I was thinking.

521
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.800
Doug Jones is incredible in this role. In any role he does,

522
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.920
Doug Jones is fantastic. If he's
gonna be in anything in the future,

523
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.320
I will watch it just because of
Doug Jones, because he does such a

524
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.639
great job being a creature and or
any kind of costume me whatever. Doug

525
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.000
Jones has a fantastic job in this
But the dialogue that we got to see

526
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.559
between him and Burnham, And you
know, basically, is this the closing

527
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.960
the book on Saru. You know, being in his room and getting to

528
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.360
see in all that and just you
know, it was tough to watch because

529
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.519
you know, it's I don't want
to say goodbye to him because he is

530
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.480
my favorite character on the show and
I don't want to see him leave.

531
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.360
So hopefully, hopefully he will be
back this season and wrap it up at

532
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.280
the end what we shall see.
I do have a question I want to

533
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.559
ask when we're talking about this this
action sequence, how do we feel about

534
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:50.800
the smart matter suits and the phasers? How the phasers just appear in their

535
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.639
hands. Yeah, I don't like
that, And that leads me to another

536
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.000
thing too. I don't like that
they can just warp out of I mean,

537
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.440
transport out of every aware and just
appear. I'm I'm not a fan

538
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.800
of that either at all. Yeah, and I mean I know that it's

539
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.719
advancements in the technology and also other
kind of stuff, but it feels like

540
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:19.360
in other iterations they both have a
phaser and there are consequences to having to

541
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:25.400
give it up and use one as
a decoy or as a bomb basically,

542
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.960
and then to lose both of them. Seems like it would just make them

543
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.639
have to It would force them to
have to be creative in other ways,

544
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:40.159
which I think could have opened up
to some fascinating exploration knowing that they can

545
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.960
just kind of, you know,
stick their hand out and form another phaser,

546
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.039
which it seems like there'd have to
be some kind of give and take

547
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:53.599
for that, Like we saw in
Endgame when Tony Stark was losing pieces of

548
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.960
his suit, he'd have to give
up armor in other places to make this

549
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.639
giant gun. Seems like there should
have been some other kind of part of

550
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:07.079
exchange. Otherwise it just seems like
it's nothing is impossible, so that it

551
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.400
seems to take a little bit of
the drama the throat away. Yeah,

552
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.800
that's true. I mean, if
if they're we're talking about like an advanced

553
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.719
version of a replicator that they're wearing
that can create anything like that, I

554
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.119
mean that really, I mean,
you know, that can answer the question

555
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.440
of of anything. I mean,
you know, that could pretty much be

556
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.519
the solution to any problem that they
have, you know, just to boom,

557
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:31.920
you know, create something and and
there you go. And I don't

558
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:37.760
I don't like that. It's in
my opinion, it's Star Trek's version of

559
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:42.119
the Sonic Screwdriver from Doctor Who,
which I absolutely you know alway, is

560
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.719
there a problem? Always there something
I need solution I need to get out

561
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.400
of. Just whip this out and
everything's fixed now, don't don't do that.

562
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.360
Yeah, and that's what they have
done. Unfortunately, I can't believe

563
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:57.079
I'm hearing Wayne come after a Sonic
Screweddever, I know right what the thing

564
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.960
they did was in the eighties when
when they destroyed it. That's right.

565
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:05.639
Well, guys, if you could
be any character in the episode, who

566
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.639
would it be? And why he's
got I mean, I'm gonna be a

567
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.599
broken record and say s you know, to have uh even though I understand

568
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.880
it looks like it was incredibly difficult, but it feels like it would be

569
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.079
fun to just go through all those
sequences. Wayne, what about you?

570
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.199
I'm gonna say Burnham only because this
seems like the beginning of an exciting adventure,

571
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:31.679
you know, going off to discover
the origins of life in the universe

572
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.000
and incredible journey that she's about to
undertake. So I'm gonna choose her.

573
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.239
It just sounds it just sounds incredibly
exciting to me and plus an added bonus,

574
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.719
you know, to be good friends
with Saru, you know, the

575
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.559
best character of the series by far. I want to be his friend,

576
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:52.280
and I just I really do,
Dave, what about you? I want

577
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:59.599
to be Booker just because I want
to hang out with Grudge. Absolutely all

578
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.679
right. Any Easter eggs in this
way, just a few, But the

579
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.840
big one is the planet the Vialen, which was the planet that was full

580
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.199
of the Necropolis's. Those were from
the Premillion. That was a long dead

581
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:17.000
race that we were introduced back in
the Next Generations third season the episode Booby

582
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.519
Trap. This is another race that
we saw in one episode was never expanded

583
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.559
on. We never learned anything more
about them because they were long long dead

584
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.480
by the time of the series took
place. So I hope that we learn

585
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:37.440
a little bit more about them this
year. And with that, it's also

586
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.880
mentioned the laying cycle fusion drive that
was used in the Promellions starships. That

587
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.639
was also something that was mentioned in
the movie Trap. And that's the only

588
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.559
Easter eggs that could pull out of
this episode other than the ones we've already

589
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:50.679
mentioned. Yeah, absolutely so,
jentlemen. What are we seeing in the

590
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:57.039
trailer for the third episode called Janelle, what are We Seeing? So,

591
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.039
like you mentioned, we're going back
to Trill. The only clips that I've

592
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:07.800
seen involve interacting with some of the
characters I've already seen on Trill, and

593
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:14.199
we get a reunion with some others. So I think it'll be interesting to

594
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:20.599
dive a little bit deeper into Trill
culture. I feel like agree the interaction

595
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.480
that we had before was a little
bit more contentious. You know, their

596
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:30.440
their feelings about the Federation and you
know, having to kind of get them

597
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:36.599
back into the fold. It'll be
interesting to see without that, let's dive

598
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:40.320
more into the culture, which I've
always thought that jed Zy attacks one of

599
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:45.480
my favorites from DS nine. The
concept of Trills is really fascinating, so

600
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.639
I'll see. I'll be interested to
see where they go with it. Yeah.

601
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:51.760
Right, it's a fascinating race.
You know, the idea of a

602
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:57.599
symbio who's you know, the two
minds merged together to form one. I've

603
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.800
been Alwais fascinated with that as well, and Jesse Da so it's one of

604
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:02.559
my favorite characters in Spaceline two.
So I hope we do see more of

605
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:07.320
trial. Just like you said,
you know we've saw the pools both in

606
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.119
both those series. You know that
seems like the majority and almost all of

607
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.400
them that we've ever seen of the
planet. Let's see the rest of it.

608
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.440
Yeah, absolutely, can't wait,
can't wait? All right? Well,

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