Phasers Set To Stun: recapping Discovery: Whistlespeak

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Crew. I'm Wayne Whited David Byrnsfen
and now we're halfway in into the second

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half of Star Trek Discovery Season five, the series' final season. The series

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has continue to impress us, taking
the viewers on a hunt across space to

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find the pieces of the map that
will lead the Discovery to where the Progenitors

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have hid their technology, the tech
that was used to create all life in

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the known galaxy. The crew have
three of the five pieces of the map

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and now in this week's episode titled
whistle Speak. They are on the hunt

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for the fourth So everybody, this
is black alert. There are spoilers ahead.

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If you haven't seen this episode yet, please stop and beam yourself to

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the nearest view screen to catch it
on Paramount Plus. Then come back and

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rejoin us for this discussion. Scott, why don't you give us a short

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summary of this episode? So again, the name of it is whistle Speak,

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which is one of the more clever
titles I think we've seen. Yeah.

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Wait, while another ship pursues,
Mullenlock Discovery continues their search for the

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next glute the progenitor puzzle. The
mysterious vial from the last episode holds a

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deceptively ordinary clue distilled water. What
seems to be the second to last clue

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leads them to a pre warp planet
ravaged by drought, where one of the

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clue masters created a disguised rain generating
towers. Burnham and Tilly go undercover on

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this planet to find out which tower
holds their next clue, while also putting

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the prime directive to the test and
saving the planet from inevitably turning to a

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dusty wasteland. Meanwhile, back on
the ship, the Deira finds a place

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on the bridge and the courage to
find confidence as a trusted source of knowledge,

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and doctor Culbert continues a quest to
figure out the long term impact of

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the mission on Trill, which uncovers
the start of a spiritual journey. I

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don't know about you guys, but
I absolutely loggd this episode and it is

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my favorite episode of the season so
far. And I know that's saying a

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lot, because we've had some good
episodes, but this episode kept me on

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the edge of my seat. And
it really wasn't that deep of a story,

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but the planet, the characters,
and civilization that we just intrigued me.

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I mean, this episode wasn't inventing
the wheel. It was going back

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to the roots of Star Trek by
giving us a pre warped civilization that our

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crew must engage, explore, and
understand while right being that prime directive.

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But what also pulled me into the
story was the fair, interesting and unique

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score that matched the strained world we
were encountering. Oh yeah, I mean

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it was epic, it was large. You know, it's that spiritual journey.

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You know, even you know,
Colbert was having that spiritual journey.

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But you know, even on this
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are too you know, you know, they're trying to get that the rain,

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They're trying to get the water to
control that dust. But you know,

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the score really reflects all of that. You know, you have this

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very unusual world and you get this
really unusual score, and that's what really

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pulled me into this episode. Guys, you're you're right too. I mean,

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you know, I've liked Jeff Russell's
music, but I always find a

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lot of times it goes into the
background, but not in this episode.

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It was the phenomenal. Yeah,
I agree. I think it's progressively getting

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better. And I'm really glad that
we started the show that we're doing when

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that we were able to catch Discovery
when we did, because I think this

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is going to be one of the
better seasons and I think this is going

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to be one where that go out
on top. Yeah, I think you're

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absolutely right. It did feel like
kind of a self contained episode, maybe

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a little bit more than others.
It had to do tangentially with the quest,

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but not necessarily something that was a
bunch of twists and turns and you

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know, all about the clues.
It was a great look at the prime

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directive and when to follow it when
not to, which I think gets a

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little bit fuzzy. But this season
started out with red directive, right,

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so it seemed to kind of blur
the lines a little bit. I didn't

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notice until a second viewing how much
of a parallel there is between what's going

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on on the ship and what's happening
on the surface. As far as that

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spiritual journey, Dave, I think
you hit it on the head with you

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know what we're seeing with Doctor Culper. It's nice to know that that's not

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necessarily a negative thing. There's sometimes
when this kind of crisis comes up and

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it's just going to create a bunch
of inner turmoil. It's a little bit

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more like a I think he said, a spiritual awakening, right. But

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then on the surface, you've also
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does this challenge everything that I've known
that it's the gods who were doing it,

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it's not technology, but now that
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How does that impact our spiritual beliefs
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core of their society. This is
one where I don't think that the what

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the prime director was created to protect
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I don't think we're going to see
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hope it don't. I hope it's
fairly self contained and they just learn how

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to kind of grow and maybe,
you know, I think recolonize the rest

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of the planet. Right, But
yeah, very well written, very well

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directed, great uses of character.
Is just going in a great place.

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I really enjoyed this episode too.
I'm not sure if it's my favorite of

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the season because I really like to
face is strange, But once the season's

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over with, I all evaluate and
it could very well make it to the

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top. This was definitely one of
the most Star Trek episodes that was ever

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made for Discovery. I mean,
this really had the feel of the style

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and the writing that they did for
the original series, and I appreciate that.

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I mean, it's very much a
bottle show. You're absolutely right,

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Scott, And I don't want to
feel like I'm nitpicking, because I'm not,

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because I guess I wanted to state
that I really like this episode.

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But the story had very little to
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you know, except for Discovery finding
the piece of the map, you

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know, And that kind of worries
me a little bit, because you know,

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this is a season with only ten
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we really have time to step aside
and tell a story like this. You

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know. I hope I'm wrong.
I hope you know, we've got only

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four episodes left, and I hope
that it doesn't feel like, you know,

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now, with only four episodes,
we have to rush things, you

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know. I hope that the rest
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we still have a lot to go
on this story of a view. But

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like I said, that's this is
not picking on this episode. I love

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this episode. That was fantastic,
and if they had a longer season,

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this would definitely be on top.
I have a feeling, and I could

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be wrong with this. I have
a feeling they're setting something up for Colbert.

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I know that he's dealt with the
trill, but I have a feeling

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they're gonna kill him off. That's
my opinion. I have a feeling that's

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coming at the end of the season, and that's why this episode's gonna be

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very important. That's interesting. I
never I didn't think of that, but

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yeah, now that you're mentioning it. I mean, I could totally be

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off based on this, but that's
what I'm feeling because of the whole spureaual

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journey that he's going through. You
know, he he feels like something's off,

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something's wrong with him, because he
had the trill in him and he

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you know, he runs the neuroscans, he has all the test and and

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nothing is wrong with him. I
mean, he even does the with his

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grandmother, you know, the oh, the holiding, yeah, the hologram

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with his grandma, you know,
trying to make him feel normal and get

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her opinion about you know, the
spiritual stuff because his grandmother was very spiritual.

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So he's trying to understand all of
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show's focus on that, that's where
they're leading in my opinion, and that

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would be great because if if they're
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then this that places this episode is
important for this for the season,

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and I'm all for that. So, yeah, I didn't think of that.

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I'm glad you brought that up.
I'm actually hoping you're wrong. Yeah,

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I mean you do think no,
and I know it's not like all

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right, oh yeah, I don't
want to see him. I don't want

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to see characters die at the end. Now on I think it's more.

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I hope where they're going with this
is something similar, But it's not necessarily

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that Culber would die as much as
it's maybe Culber and Stamets end up leaving

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Discovery and saying there's more to the
Federation than what's on Discovery. It sounds

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like they're not necessarily going to continue
exploring the spore drive. There was an

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episode where I think Stanlett's was feeling
obsolete, right yep, because they were

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going to start to shut that down, and it almost felt like Tilly was

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We were seeing some of the struggles
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subtly come through in this episode.
So maybe there's a little bit of something

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where they follow a similar path of
we're going to take a step back from

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the adventure of the week and focus
more on rebuilding Starfleet in different ways.

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I could definitely see it going that
way, but yeah, I could.

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Yeah, I could too. Yeah, And it was very interesting that Tony

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Stark memory based holographic technology that they're
using to recreate it. I thought it

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was a great conversation. I thought
that was a great use of like,

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you know the person who you used
to talk to that's represented by this technology,

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and understand that it's not the same
person. So I'm not going to

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be able to lead you on that
spiritual journey, although what she says kind

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of unlocks what he needs to get
to that next place. There'll be more

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of that technology kind of use going
forward. But yeah, I thought it

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was. It was great to meet
her, and it was great to meet

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to know that she was the inspiration
for to become a doctor. I thought

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that was a great addition to that. It is. Yeah, And you

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know, I'm gonna go back to
something you said, Scotten on the very

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first episode we had of Discovery this
season, and I cannot stand Cronenberg.

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I'm sorry, yes, yes,
pulls me out of this show all the

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damn time. And Scott you said
that in the first episode and I'm like,

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Scott is right. As soon as
that scene happened, I'm like,

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why are we doing that? Well, let me talk about him too,

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because what you bring up, you're
right, but I think that's done on

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purpose. You know, he has
such a brief appearance. He appears in

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a white room his what is an
infinity room? He gives burn him a

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list of names written on a piece
of paper from a simple, straightforward,

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twenty first century notebook. You know, what's what's up with that? That's

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he doesn't look like someone from the
thirty second century, he doesn't act like

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someone from the thirty second century.
I'm suspecting there's more to Coach than we've

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been led to believe to been told. You know that that whole white room

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that he was in, in the
way it appears and the way he whispern

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him away over you know there because
she was physically there. She took the

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paper from him, So this wasn't
like a hologram or anything. I get

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strong celestial temple vibes with that.
You understand what I'm saying with this,

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I do as if it's sitting outside
a time you know, is is Covich

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a time traveler? Is he some
sort of relic or something from the temporal

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wars? You know? I really
do think that there's more to him than

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we know so far? Thing Okay, I Yeah, it's still I hope

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that's the case. I hope that
there's a little bit more to Coovich that

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doesn't continue to rub me the wrong
way, And I don't know if it's

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just choices that they make of how
to incorporate David Cronenberg's character. I felt

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like it's the first time that I
felt like that character really contributed to helping

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the story flow in that once you
see the list of names of scientists that

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contributed to it, that to me
seemed like an intentional device of a checklist

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to say, hey, viewers,
if you'd like to understand when this thing

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is going to wrap up. We've
got this one and something to do with

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Betas and then it should wrap up. So it feels like this episode is

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the second to last clue that they're
going to get, and either next week

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is going to be not finding a
clue as much as getting more into mull

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Unlocks story and then finding the next
clue and then figuring out what to do

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with it. It seems like that
could be a good balance. But otherwise,

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yeah, I mean, very dead
pin delivery and so much exposition about

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a legal pad. I don't care. I really didn't care about like it's

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not replicated by the way it's authentic
paper. They were pointing that out.

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They were making a the writers were
making a distinction on that. They're pointing

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that out. That makes me think, you know, are we supposed to

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pay attention to that? Is there
is there something more going on? Yeah,

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I don't know. It felt maybe
there is, and I hope that.

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I hope there is. On the
surface, it feels very much like,

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well, I don't want to wear
any Star Trek costume. I'll put

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a pin on my jacket, but
that's about it. Otherwise I'm not going

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to play. I'm just going to
do this. And you know, it

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almost felt like a kind of a
hipster kind of thing to say, like,

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hey, I found this authentically legopad
for the twenty first century of like

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look a bucket of paper clips.
Like I was just like, I think

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it could be it could be nothing. We might be seeing, you know,

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patterns that aren't there, so,
you know, right, but at

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least it was kind of a you
know, it serves its purpose and then

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it moves on. So on the
plus side of this episode, we get

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to see a little bit more of
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with him and instant talent on the
bridge. You know, how he believes

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it, you know, and you
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you know, help us out do
it, fix this and and you

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know it happens. He's really becomes
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with a dera having kind of that
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yeah yeah yeah that was That was
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them. I love that it really
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and I liked the I just wanted
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I've had the visual effects in this
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just absolutely incredibly I've been all seasoned, but that that that overhead shot of

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the tower and then in the forest
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action. I thought that was incredible. I just just love that. Plus

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that that shot of Discovery it's it's
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take off from the planet. I
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favorite parts of the episode. It
is the shot. On top of that,

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the whistle speak was freaking awesome.
Yes, yes you're listening to the

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whistle that is a language like that
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that, the scene where they saved
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and they they're they're they're, they're, they're, you know, ringing the

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cups and with the dust was like
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so incredible. Yeah, oh gosh. Yeah. Well even the even the

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first shot of the analysis of the
water bile, I thought that was beautiful,

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vibrant, mysterious way to represent basically
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but the use of color there was
what was really interesting, and there

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was there were a lot of great
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use of color and composition was definitely
on the a game. Yeah, let

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me let me call out the credits
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Kenneth lenn and Brandon Schultz and it
was directed by Chris Burned. They they

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definitely need to be mentioned. They
need their credits because they just sure them

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did such a phenomenal job. Absolutely. And then another thing that I really

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enjoyed too. You have Burnham and
Tilly that are on this race to get

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into the summit, you know,
to be in. We don't know what's

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gonna happen when you end the summit, which we find out a little bit

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later, but I like the twist
of characters here because Burnham would think is

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gonna be the ones gonna win the
race, but in fact it's Burnham who

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has decides, oh you know what, I just figured out where the that

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might be, so I'm gonna follow
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disqualifies herself, which makes Tilly be
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race, which leads to Tilly and
Rava played by the wonderful Junior Or who

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I thought was phenomenon in this episode. Yeah, gets their character development.

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You know, you get Rava,
who you know, comes back and gets

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Tilly, come on, I need
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let's go, and then you get
the reverse of that a little bit

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later, you know, where Rava
spills her water. It's all over.

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She's done till he wins, but
then till he comes back and puts half

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of her water in the bowl for
Rava. Dude, those two characters were

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incredible in this episode. Yeah,
yeah, for sure, you definitely got

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a lot more of Tilly and the
not only the teacher role, but as

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the friend role, Like she's always
been supportive of those around her, and

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it's great to see that shine in
this one. I didn't think that use

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of the miscolored mutated moss. Very
clever, very it was. Yes,

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yea, when you get a little
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with the retinal based trade quarder.
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technology. I was glad to see
that because we don't get too much bad.

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Yeah, it's better than the weapons
appearing in your hand. Yes,

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exactly, I mean it makes sense. I mean that that makes it seems

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like a natural progression for the tricorder. Yeah. Well, in the way

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that they had kind of the what
Burnham was seeing was able to be patched

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into Adira on the bridge. Yeah, so they could both kind of like,

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okay, you're seeing this, it's
on your left, move this isolate

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of your chip or whatever. It
had to be. The fact that it

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only impacted one of their eyes,
I thought it was very interesting. Yeah,

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cool, similar to the transporters.
I'm not exactly how somebody you know

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how that kind of intuitive control of
the trick carder tech really works, But

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I'm just gonna let it go and
just relax and enjoy the show into it.

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Yeah. I think one of the
scenes that was there's so many good

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scenes in this episode, but the
one scene when Burnham decides that she has

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to break the prime directive because she
has to save Tilly's life, and you

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know, we find out that Roba's
father is still in there and they're like,

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you can't, you can't do that
because he's still in there. Just

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do it, Just do it.
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to talk him into what's going on, who she is, and and he

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even asked the question, you know, are you a god? And Burna

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was like, I am not a
god, but maybe I was sent by

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one. That whole then was so
well done. Man, I'm using that

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phrase a lot in this episode,
which is why I love this episode so

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much. But then you have all
the stuff that's going on inside with Attilian

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Rava and Untili again being that teacher
being that person who cares and wants to

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listen and learn what Rava has to
say, and Rabah breaks down. You

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know, she was all brave this
whole episode. She wanted to win that

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race. She wanted to make her
mother who's passed away, proud, wanted

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to make her father proud, and
now she's in this situation to find out

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that she has to sacrifice herself,
you know, to bring the water,

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to bring the rain, and now
she breaks down, I don't want to

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die, and you know Tilly has
to calm her down, and the whole

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the whole song thing, you know, where she starts humming it and it

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just and then you can hear that
through burnhams, you know, into the

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other room. And that's when her
father's like, how can you how can

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we hear what they're hearing? And
then she has to explain a little bit

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more. All of that was so
good man. Yeah, yeah, especially

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the explanation of kind of that spirituality
and technology where they kind of intersect,

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right and saying like you know,
like you said, maybe there's a greater

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power that sent me here, that
sent the people who put the technology here,

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Like it's not something that questions your
faith. It's something that's going to

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help your planet continue to survive without
having to go through rituals like a sacrifice.

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I think there's there's some evolution there
in things that can help to advance

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the entire planet. I mean,
it feels like from here they're gonna learn

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how to make contain the one tower
that keeps their one little microcosm continuing to

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survive, but maybe they were able
to go back to the other towers that

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have failed and maybe take the planet
back right. Maybe that thrive a little

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bit more, and maybe that's part
of the point. Maybe that's a planet

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where they could maybe extend their footprint, or maybe they could welcome other species

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onto the planet and maybe expand a
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very interesting. The whole sacrificial nature
of the Thirst race was very cool.

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How they had the different bowls kind
of peppered throughout the woods. It felt

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like there was a very supportive nature
to the entire race, not just between

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Tilly and Rava, but all of
the racers. It didn't seem like anybody

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was like shoving somebody out of the
way or getting insanely competitive about it.

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It was very supportive, very much
like okay, we've got you, you

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know, go on to the next
thing and then cheering people along when they

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get to the end. Is a
fascinating way of, you know, making

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people have a respiratory problem and the
race to symbolize what somebody had gone through

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in the past. That was very
clever. It was so now we've given

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our opinions on the episode, let's
take a look at the characters themselves.

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Which character do you think shine the
most this week? I kind of are

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given away a little bit, and
I think it was Rava played by Juniapore.

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She played such an innocent role,
you know, again wanting to make

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her mother proud and her father,
but only then we learned she's scared and

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you know, doesn't want to die. You know, you see so much

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of her character coming back to get
Tilly in that race, and you know,

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I just thought Junipoter played a phenomenal
role in this episode. I thought

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she stole the show in my opinion, I really do, ye, Scott,

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what do you think? So I'm
gonna pick Tilly again. I think

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Joy consistently throughout this series. She's
one of my favorite characters. I think

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the to least critical nature to the
mission, beyond what's involved in you know,

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exploring this technology and trying to figure
out where the clue is and things

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like that, but her role of
kind of queen of endurance, like she

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said, right, my body of
motion stays in motion. It reminded me

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very much of the episode where she
was hallucinating an old friend, but she

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was kind of infected by a bacteria
or something like that that, Oh yeah,

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but her devotion to making sure that
Raba got through without falling behind,

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and Dave, like you mentioned giving
her some water so that Rava wouldn't have

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an empty bowl, and she knew
how much that meant to her. Those

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kind of decisions, if they are
breaking the prime directive and they're aware that

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there's aliens out there that took this
very specific role. Right now, they

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have three instances. They've got Burnham's
choice, they've got Tilly's choices, and

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they've got the people who use the
progenitor technology in the first place to help

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the planet cantinue to survive. I
think all of those are things that maybe

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would make them a bit less prone
to be xenophobic. Yeah, that's where

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they might go, but it seems
that if they still have room to evolve

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in their own pace. So yeah, and go Tilly, Wayne, what

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about you? Well, after hearing
David's reason, I actually agree with him.

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But I chose Tilly because she's this
episode, she's finally able to get

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off the ship yep and play a
major and important part in the story.

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You know, I've had a love
hate relationship with Mary Wiseman's portrayal of Tilly

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ever since her introduction back way back
in the first episode first season, but

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lately she's been given so little to
do that I'm just happy to see her

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have in so much in this episode. She really shined for me. Plus,

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you know, they're they're laying the
hints, you know, with the

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storyline with the Academy that I really
hope that this isn't the end of her

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character, that we don't you know, this isn't the last we see ever.

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I hope they continue her into the
Starfleet Academy series. I think I

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think she could play an important part
of that series, and I feel like

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they're laying the seeds for that.
I agree, absolutely, And I think

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you're both You're both right. I
mean, it was tough for me when

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it came down to who I was
gonna choose, you know, Tilli Rava,

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it came down to both of them. They both deserve it, they

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do. They both did a phenomenal
job in this episode, and with those

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two characters, they really drove this
story. They really did. If you

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have the choice to be any character
that appeared in this episode, which one

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would it be? And why Scott? I'll have you start this one with

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me, it would be uh,
Doctor Culber because of the use of the

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memory of technology and going on that
spiritual journey, it seems like it would

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be really interesting to experience those things
from doctor Colber's perspective and just the general

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approach to things. It's it's very
refreshing to see that character every week.

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Dave, what about you? The
same answer to me, it's Culbert because

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in this episode, you know,
he's going through feeling like something is wrong,

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and we've all had that in our
lives. Come on, we all

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have to admit it. We've had
that feeling in us that you know,

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why am I here, what am
I doing? You know, where am

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I going? You know those kind
of things. And he, you know,

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he had the trill in him and
you know, he felt something different

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that he's never felt before, and
now that that's gone, he's almost trying

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to find that again. But at
the same time, at the end of

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this episode, he finds that spiritual
freedom, an awakening, you know,

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that gives him that a relief that
he's never had. Can you imagine having

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that kind of spiritual relief in life, because if you got that, you

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would feel incredible. Nothing would be
wrong and for him to seem like he's

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captured that that's something special, and
you know, that's the character I would

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want to have been in this for
sure, Wayne, what the best could

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add? One thing ahead? They
just made me think of Culver's relationship with

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Paul Stamitz. How that factored into
this episode was also just so heartwarming,

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because you know that Culver's having a
hard time kind of like coming to grips

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with this and kind of like,
I don't know, is he going to

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understand? Am I going to be
able to go on this journey with him?

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And also that kind of stuff and
gets nothing but support. Yeah,

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that is amazing for something like this, and at at the time that it's

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happening, it just throw the strengths
in their relationship, which I think is

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one of the best parts of this
series. No, go ahead, I'm

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with both of you. I chose
Culver too. You know, he's been

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apparently very affected by his time that
he was host to the Trio Jane,

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and I agree with David. He's
experiencing a sort of spiritual awakening, you

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know. I just I really like
his interaction, the interaction between colburn statements

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and also that scene at the end
with Booker. You know, Booker gave

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him some very Star trek y advice
there, and it was a nice way

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of ending. What did he says? It's an odd quirk, this human

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tendency to consider something less meaningful if
it's just for yourself. I love that.

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It was very well written. Yeah, that is all right. Now

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comes my favorite part where we dive
deep into the episode and see if we

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can pull out any Easter eggs.
And there were only a couple in this

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episode. Again, this is the
third episode that Doug Jones doesn't appear as

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credited for, but now we have
an answer why. He revealed last week

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that his absence from the show is
a result of him working on the film

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Hocus Pocus two, and while we
won't see him in the next two upcoming

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episodes, he will be back for
the finale. So I'm really glad to

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hear that. Yep. Absolutely the
easter eggs I found, and the big

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one was about the rain Towers,
and I hope I pronounced this right.

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I'm terrible with this name. The
rain towers were built by the Danubillions.

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That's a race that we are very
familiar with in Star Trek especially Star Trek

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Enterprise. Doctor Flox was a danubillion
And I have to give credit to the

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Art Department because the computer interface that
Burnham finds that was disguised as a rock

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it matches perfectly design of the Danubian
computers that were in the episode of the

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Enterprise called Cold Station twelve. I
mean, that's doing your research. I

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love Wow, that's impressive. And
then also another little thing that I noticed

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after on the list that Covich gives
Burnham one of the names after they cross

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off the name that for this episode, doctor Creole believes only one name left

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Morena Derek's of Beta Zet which obviously
that's named after Burness sertis. Oh yeah,

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famous Betazetta Mall. I mean,
I know we're not gonna be visiting

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betas that. I don't think so
in the next episode. But I hope

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wed you see it in episode eight
because I like to see how it's doing

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in the thirty second century. All
right, well, we've seen a sneak

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peak of the upcoming episode. But
judging from the clip, what do we

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think is gonna happen next? So
it looks like they have all in lock.

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Yeah, so they're like one of
interrogating at least one of them.

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It seems like because when I sawt
like Booker wanted to get involved in it,

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but obviously they're not gonna let him. But yeah, that seems like

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what's happening in the next episode.
I guess that's what the whole episode is

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going to be about. I'm assuming, isn't it. They didn't. They

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didn't show us much, did that? Just that little one minute clip look

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like we're back at Starfleet headquarters?
Yeah? Yeah, and they have captioned

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just like what you said. I
do know that the brain is back next

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episode, so it sounds like it
could be an exciting one. But you

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know, judging from that here guests
as good as mine. Yeah, we've

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only got four episodes left, so
we get moving along. Yeah, they

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gotta start tying up the story quick
because they got a lot of story points

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to yep. So do I have
it right that the next episode is called

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Eraga. Yeah, so we're going
to get more into that, you know,

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hopefully more o the breed culture.
And yeah, it'll be very interesting

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to see. Well, looking forward
to it. And that's it for this

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episode of Phasers. Set to Stun's
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Thanks everybody. Now there are only
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for the series itself. Next episode, we take a look at episode seven,

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titled Araga. We look forward to
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on next week's episode of Phasers,
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