Aug. 26, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E7 What Is Starfleet?

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E7 What Is Starfleet?
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more. On this week's episode, our crew continues their conversation about the third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Join us for a recap of episode 7, What Is Starfleet?

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Welcome back to a new episode of Phasers Set to Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film bind podcast

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which focuses on every system of the expanding Star Trek

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universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise, and much

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much more. Plotting your course on this voyage is your

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Core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited, I'm Scott Hoffman, and.

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I'm David Burns.

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And today we're talking about Season three, episode seven of

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Star Trek's Strange New Worlds, titled What Is Starfleet? Written

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by Catherine Lynn and Alan B. Malclroy and directed by

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Sharon Lewis. So from this point forward, it's read alert.

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There are spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen this episode yet,

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please stop and being yourself to the nearest view screen

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to catch it on Paramount Plus. Then come back and

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rejoin us for the discussion Scott, why don't you give

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us a short summary of this episode?

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The opening theme of Strange New Worlds features a speech

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that promises to boldly go where no one has gone before.

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It's a promise that the show itself always lives up to,

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and this episode is a perfect example of just that.

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The format of this episode is unlike any that I've

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ever seen, a standalone documentary, shot entirely by the cameras

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of or Tagus. We don't even hear the opening theme

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until the end, where it served up as the theme

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for the documentaries closing credits. This documentary is the culmination

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of Beto's project, which has been following the Enterprise's crew

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as a documentarian this whole season. In his documentary, he

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asks a very simple question, what separates a federation from

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an empire? What is starfleet? That question is put to

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the ultimate test with this Enterprise's version of Encounter at Farpoint,

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a distant Planet asks the Federation's help in shepherding a

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Leviathan through space as livestock. As Enterprise approaches the Leviathan,

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the crew witnesses its power and capabilities that seem to

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work as a weapon of war on a physical and

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psychic level. This forces the Enterprise to recover from damage

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to their ship and their crew, but it also makes

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them question the nature of their mission. Like at farpoint

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in the far future, Enterprise discovers that the mission isn't

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as transparent or as ethical as they were led to believe.

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This Leviathan is also being tortured in its role as

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a weapon, and the Federation would find itself complicit in

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the slavery, torture, and possible extinction of a new life

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form if enterprise Is mission were to continue. We get

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this complex story served up as a storyline within this

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introspective episode that asks the court question what is Starfleet?

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What defines who we are in this type of situation.

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We get these answers, as well as an in depth

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and personal look as several of the key crew members.

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We also get we also finally get some in depth

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looks into numerous characters, including Veto, and an episode that

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stands out for so many reasons. I think this will

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be an episode that we're excited to talk about and

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one that I'm sure people will be talking about for

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a long time to come.

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Yeah. Now, this is a format that we've seen many

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times before on other shows, but this is a first

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for Star Trek, so I'm kind of curious as to

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watch you guys's opinions of this, so let's hear it.

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I thought it was fantastic. I love the fact that

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with changing worlds, they are taking chances with doing different things.

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And first of all, I love documentaries, and I love

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the style that decided to do this with. But one

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of the things that I thought was fantastic is the

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ending of this episode really felt like the ending to

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the last episode, where you just felt devastated of what

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was happening. But I thought it was a really good episode.

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I felt like the individual questions that were presented to

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some of the cast members were perfect, because I mean, really,

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what is Starfleet? I mean, they do kind of ride

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that line, do they not. They could be an empire,

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They absolutely could, and sometimes they do get caught up

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in situations where it looks like they are a military

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but they're not because they you know, they try to

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veer from that, but they're forced into it by certain circumstances.

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So I thought it was I thought it was a

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really good episode.

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Yeah, I think you know, there are so many times

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when I think we've said it's a great time to

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be a Star Trek fan and a great time to

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jump into Star Trek. And I think that this is

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one of those episodes that you could introduce somebody to

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Star Trek in this way because it asks a very

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basic question and it's a unique take on sci fi

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let alone Star Trek. It's a completely different thing that

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I think I have ever seen. And when I said

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I've never seen this before, I haven't been all the

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way through things like Voyager Enterprise, so I didn't know

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if they had been there, but it seems so unique,

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like the camera angles that they took, the shots that

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they decided to take. It wasn't all through Ortegas's cameras.

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There was splicing of security cameras. There was use of

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what do you call the kind of title cards that

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would let people know if something had been redacted or

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declassified or whatever. So there's so many different directions that

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they took with that. It was just it was fascinating

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to watch, but it was heartbreaking to experience. I think

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it's a great jumping on point.

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Yeah. We predicted very early on that this was going

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to be a documentary episode, and as time went by,

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we knew it was going to be on. I'm glad

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they did this for a couple of points. One is,

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you know, many times in the past with the various

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star Trek it has been debated, you know, whether or

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not Starfleet is a exploration and scientific organization or a

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military organization for the United Federation of Planets. I remember

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in de Space nine this point was brought up many

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times by other races, but kind of just you know,

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shoved off, as if they didn't know what they were

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talking about. Of course not, you know, of course we're

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not military. But really, you know, when you look at it,

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are they you know, are they're a little bit of both? Actually?

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And finally we get an episode that really straightforward, in

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your face, direct, you know, answers this question kind of

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I mean, it's still a little bit you know, debate,

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you have to really think about it at the end

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of this episode, but they that they were forced to

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look at it and make that decision and you know,

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decide are they military? Are they scientific? And you know,

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I still think they're a little bit of both. But

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I liked how they presented this and I'm really glad

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that you brought up the mention of similarities to Encounter

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Far Point too, because the side story, well the story

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that is happening in the documentary, that alien reminded me

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of very very much of the Farpoint Station alien from

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that episode, and I'm glad to see that. That was

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something that I wanted to address because we don't see

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too many of these spacefaring alien races such as this.

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I can only mention. I can only think of like

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two or three instances and all the Star Trek where

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we've seen something like that, and you know, there's more

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than just humanoids out there. And I'm glad that they

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brought this because I'm trying to remember the name of

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the creature at the top of my head. But it

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was fantastically done. I mean wonderfully the whole episode. I

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really enjoyed. I enjoyed the look, but it did have

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rather a depressing indeed.

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Yeah, yeah, come on, now, you gotta give it something

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to like here, I could be happy about it. The

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ends well, going to get next week, by the way,

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So we're gonna get some comedy next week, I think, so, Yeah, definitely.

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And it's a great blend, and I mean it's it's

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a lot of deep thinking, like if you're somebody who's

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being introduced to Star Trek, and somebody who might dismiss

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it as like, oh, I don't know if it's like,

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you know, it's all aliens and sci fi, I don't

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really get into. There's a lot of interesting, deep kind

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of thinking behind these episodes, and I think you can't

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argue with the fact that you would have a lot

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to talk about after these these type of stories. I

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love the way you're mentioning that the similarities to the

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Farpoint Alien Wayne, because it makes me think of Lady Gladriel,

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is it from Lord of the Rings, who is you know,

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giant and beautiful but also has this power to be

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absolutely terrifying and terrible. This very ethereal, kind of wispy

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movement to it. But yeah, what they have to do

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at the end is absolutely heartbreaking, and we have to

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watch it almost in kind of slow motion.

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Yeah. You know, one thing that they didn't address that

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that it irritated me, but irritated me in the right

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way during this episode is the way Beto presented his documentary.

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It drove me nuts that the way he was questioning

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his sister as if she he was backing her in

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the corner, just irritating ship. But but you know, I

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guess that's a good documentary documentarian because you know, he's

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not letting family, you know, alter his questions. But that

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and the the secrets filming of the meetings, it just

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felt so sinister. I don't know why I felt that way,

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And that's that's good storytelling there, but that's the way

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they were trying to get But it just felt like wrong.

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I mean, it makes me wonder, you know, why did

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the Federation allow some of this stuff to get out?

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What was what was the point they were trying to

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address here. I have a feeling, because you know, this

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was all in documentary form, we didn't actually get anything

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at the end that you know, went back to regular storytelling.

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I'm wondering if if this episode two, just like the

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last couple, are going to affect something that's going to

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happen in the next what we got four more episodes left,

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If this isn't going to come back and become part

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of the storyline or bite him in the ass or whatever.

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I don't well, I know part of the part of

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the reasons why he was so venomous horror brings that

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out in him, that he came here because he felt

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Starfleet took his sister away, and that's why he was

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very venomous about what he was doing with this documentary

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and what he was trying to do about, you know,

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uncovering or at least trying to uncover that Starfleet was

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actually a military organization. And he learned, as the document learned,

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and as those who watched this document learned, that it's

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not true that you know, and and she even says,

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you know, I joined this because you know, this is

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my family now even and it makes sense they are

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and you know, they may not be related, but they

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are a family on that on that ship, and they

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take care of each other. And I think, I don't

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I don't know if as a horror or as Erica

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who said that, you know, I am. You know, it's

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it's not Starfleet to us, it's the other way around.

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You know, we are to make Starfleet.

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And she's and and she like said, she's right, you know,

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it's yeah, Starfleet is just an organization. It's just a word.

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But the people, it's the people who make it. I mean,

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that's why we watched star Trek, to watch these these people.

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We're not watching it for well, I mean some people

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watching it for the enterprise itself, because we considered that

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kind of a character too. But it's really the people

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and the interactions and what they have to go through

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is why we watch Strange New Worlds, is why we

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watched Star trek Ye.

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Did anybody notice that Erica was working on a motorcycle? Yeah?

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I was. I was so fascinated by how many it

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seemed like she had, Like I didn't know if it

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was one where she had different parts of it or

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there were several.

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But I like that part of her personality, just like

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last episode and Pelly's quarters, how she has all the junk,

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you know, she has, you know, all these these transportation

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you know, there there was, there was the motorcycle, there

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were the pictures, and then all the stuff in her quarters.

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It really shows us a lot of her personality. And

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again with Pellia Scotti has showed up in this episode, does.

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Engineering just go away? Well, we don't need them in

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this episode, so it's you know, go do what you

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need to do. You're fine, What the hell.

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I didn't want engineer? I didn't you one engineer working

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in like a Jeffrey's tube or something like that. But

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you can tell really who it was.

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But of all episodes, you're interviewing all these people who

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are on this ship, should you not be interviewing Pelly

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at least because she's in charge of engineering.

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Maybe he did, and it was just such a massive

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He didn't understand anything she was saying. That decided I'm

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not going to put that in, or.

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Maybe she was so reluctant to be a part of

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it she was like, I'm not going to give you

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that time of day. I'm so busy.

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Yeah, she's back in her quarters playing Tarry twenty six hundred.

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That's what she's doing exactly.

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That's kind of a theme for this season, I think,

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is the day of asking where's Pellia? Yeah it is,

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and where Pellia?

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I'm getting head I like her character, man, and we

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don't there's like three episodes now we don't see her

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at all.

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Right now, See, there were a few things that I

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found slightly interesting about this episode. Do you know this

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was the shortest episode of this series so far?

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Really?

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Yeah, it kind of went by pretty fast. I mean,

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it was a great episode, so he didn't even notice it.

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But this came just slightly under forty minutes. Wow, that

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is pretty And also, I don't know if you also

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noticed this too, but the episode was broadcasts in a

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different ratio that the other episodes are.

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Didn't it's because of the documentary style.

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Yeah, this was that for sure, that your regular full

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frame sixteen to nine rather than the anamorphic ye, which

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I thought was kind of neat. I mean it, I

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noticed it right away, but it was kind of neat

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that they did this. It just kind of brought the

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attention to the different style that the documentary type that

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they were doing. Also, the writer of this episode, he's

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written quite a few episodes of Discovery, but he got

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his start writing in Hollywood on he wrote Halloween four,

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which under Michael Myers. That was his first film. He

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also to Spawn and Wrong Wrong Turns as well.

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Oh so he's a Hornor fan obviously.

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And I think he did a fantastic job. That's why

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I wanted to point him out. He did a good

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job at writing this episode, which could have been a

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very difficult episode to write for a lot of people.

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Yeah, I was curious in how this was going to

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be handled, to be honest with you, Like you said,

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we knew this was coming. Uh, we even talked about

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it a long time ago that this was coming, but

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I didn't know how they were going to be able

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to do it and pull it off. But they pulled

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it off extremely well, you know, just the the like

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I said earlier, there is the individual questions that he

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presented to some of the crew members. You know, I

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think one was, you know, have you ever seen somebody die?

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Have you ever to feel like killing someone? You know,

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questions that like are really hard to answer, and some

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of them did go unanswered. If you noticed, they kind

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of beat around the bush a little bit with some

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of those questions because they didn't feel it. And I

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know Pike used the answer that's classified a couple of

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like like one of them was, uh, what was it? Me?

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Manga was have you ever erased anything from the you know,

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the ship's recorders? And you know he kind of didn't.

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You know, you could tell he was holding something back

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when he said no, I didn't, no, no, Yeah, he

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kept you could tell yeah, he kept repeating it, and

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you knew that he was clearly hiding something. And then Pike,

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I forget what the question was for him, but there

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was one of them he beat around the bush too

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on it that he didn't have a direct answer for it.

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So I like how they did that. It made there

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The actors did an incredible job of feeling that that

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awkwardness you get sometimes in interviews, and I think they

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did a really good job with that presenting themselves of

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giving that awkward vibe of being interviewed on camera.

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Yeah, it's it's an interesting question that he asks if

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there's any footage that he's ever deleted. It's gonna of

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a dead end question, right, It's not like, oh, well,

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a couple of these classified things I'll tell you about,

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but yeah, sure, let me just because it's the document,

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let me broadcast those secrets that were erased, but knowing

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that it's more to kind of create that tense moment

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and show somebody, you know, clearly saying, yes, there are

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secrets that have to be hidden or erased, but I

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can't necessarily admit to them. But I can't necessarily hide

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that it's that it's never been done. I think it's

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going to cause a lot of tension between Bedo and

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the rest of the crew, for sure. I mean asking

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questions like that, some betrayals of Hurrah, and then, like

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you said, kind of the you know, shady kind of

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around the corner of recordings. I assume that all the

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footage was shown to the crew before it was released

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to anybody, but even that would be like you were

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recording things and not telling us, like that's a shady.

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Well Softly had to approve it, obviously, That's why you

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get the reacted kind of stuff in there. And the

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question that he asked Pike was have you ever disobeyed

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in order? And Pike was like, that classified exactly.

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Which we know he has because we've seen it.

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Yeah.

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Well, speaking of creating tensions, one thing I've noticed over

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the last few days that since this episode was released,

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the fan base seems to be rather split with this episode,

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whether or not they liked it or not, whether or

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not I should have even been done, if it really

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fit into the style of Star Trek or the style

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of Strange New Worlds. What are your opinions on this?

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I mean, are you happy with the episode? Are you

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glad it's he here? Do you want to see more

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episodes like this?

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I'm in the camp of I like this episode. I

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think this is the first time the season that I

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haven't said that this is my favorite episode. It's not,

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but I still put I'm still in the camp that

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I like this episode and I want to see them

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do more unique things that's not retread stuff over and

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over and over and over again. That's one of the

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things I love about Strange New Worlds is they're taking chances.

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I'm going to go back to the music episode, which

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I do not like, but I respect it. I respect

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the fact that they're trying something different and giving us

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something unique with Star Trek, and these are the things

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that we would have never seen years ago because it was,

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you know, falling into that same formula, and they're not

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doing that this time. They're taking chances, and I like that.

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Yeah, I totally agree. I think I mean on it

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on I guess on the kind of the face of

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the question, what I want to see anymore documentary episodes. Possibly,

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i'd have to see kind of where the story would go,

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but I think kind of behind that, I definitely would

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want to see more episodes like this. Like you mentioned

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the musical episode, I loved it. We weren't on the

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same page with it, but it it keeps it fresh,

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it keeps it lively, it keeps it interesting, like we're

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diving into a lot of genres are kind of subgenres

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within Star Trek, which can only broaden its appeal. I

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would definitely want them to keep taking bold new directions

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and trying new things. It's all consistent within strange new worlds.

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You always get the same kind of underlying vibe. So

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it's not like, you know, one episode it's all we're

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going to see one where it's all puppets here. So

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it's coming. But I trust that they're going to handle

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it in the right way because their direction, their creative direction,

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their artistic direction, their cinematography, they're writing, their score, everything

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has been top notch. So you know that they're going

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to put all the heart and soul and quality that

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they can into whatever they're trying.

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Well, let's not forget one thing, and I think some

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people do. Let's not forget that they're trying to bring

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in new audience. They're trying to bring in a younger

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audience to realize and understand on how fantastic Star Trek is.

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So in order to do that, you have to do

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different things, you have to take chances, you've got to

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look at it a different angle, and sometimes I think

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the older Star Trek crowd loses sight of that. And

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I mean, I know we all love Star Trekt in

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our own ways, and I'm not going to detract from

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that whatsoever. You know, we grew up with the next generation,

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but you know, we saw a Voyager, we saw d

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Space nine when it was first airing on television, enterprise everything.

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But it's almost like you're getting the OG crew, who

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were kind of like, oh, we don't need this next

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generation crap. You know, we've got the OG crew. Let's

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go to them. No, let's take a step back. Let's

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take a look at this and realize they are just

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trying to bring a new audience and still maintaining that

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love of Star Trek for the Star Trek fans who

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are still out there, the older crowd like us, and

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they're doing it. I mean, sure there are some people

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out there probably don't like it, but you know what,

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they've got to do it.

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And I'm glad both of you brought this up because

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this is this is something I wanted to talk about

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this episode because I've been noticing a very unsettling trend

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to come up over the last few weeks of the

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with what they call a toxic fan base attacking strange

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New Worlds and you know you're right, you hit it

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right on the nose, David, exactly, what is what's happening?

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You know, we went through quite a few years, what

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was it eighteen years between Encounter Farpoint and the last

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episode of Enterprise, where it was a great time. It

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was a great time to be a Star Trek fan.

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But I feel at the end that you know, they

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started losing new viewers, they started losing old viewers because

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it was the same thing over and over again, the

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same type of storytelling that we had seen for a

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long long time. Star Trek needed something fresh and strange.

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New Worlds is giving us definitely, and I love the

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fact that they're experimenting. You know, we we it's not

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something this is not something new. I mean, these type

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of episodes, these documentary episodes have been done for decades.

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I mean, I know, I've been trying to think of

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of other series. You know, I remember Battle and five

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did one. I Mashed did one. So this is this

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is something that's been tried and works. And you know,

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musical episodes have been done for the last decade. Even

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though you know, we may I was the same way,

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we may not have really liked the episode as much,

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but I definitely appreciate that they're trying something new, and

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I hope they continue this, but you know, people have

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to remember that they need it can't start, it cannot

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survive on just the Trekkies, no, it's yeah. In order

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for it to thrive that and continue, it's got to

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bring in the regular, the casual viewers and strange new worlds.

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I think is doing that. You know, this series would

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not not be here in its third year if it

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was just bringing in just Trekies. You know, it's doing

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well in the ratings, it's doing well with the awards.

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You know, I'm I'm glad to see that, because we

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want we definitely want more Star Trek.

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Oh.

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Yeah, and this series proves that, you know, by trying

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things original, you can you can keep Star Trek alive

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and keep people coming back week after week. And I'm

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glad to hear that.

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Let me let me say one thing and then we

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can move on. Unlet's's got something to add. There is

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no room And let me repeat myself, there is no

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room in any franchise for these toxic fans. Right. I

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am so tired of it. I'm exhausted of it. Let

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fans enjoy being a fan. Don't be toxic about it.

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You don't like it, okay, you can, you can, you know,

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provide your comments, but do not become so toxic, toxic

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that it just bleeds into everything and just makes it

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so miserable that it takes fans out of it, because

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that is not helping anybody, and that's going to keep

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new fans away.

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Do it, and don't forget people too, you know, if

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you're on Facebook or x or any of the other

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social media platforms. Uh, you know, these are not the majority.

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These are a very small minority of people that that

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really aren't watching the series. I mean, I see some

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of these these responses like minutes sometimes even before the

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episodes are over. These this is a very small minority.

467
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.240
You know. The majority of the people are really enjoying

468
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:29.200
this series, really enjoying all the other series Lower Decks

469
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.119
Discovery was another series. People really enjoyed it, you know,

470
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.759
So don't think that that's what it is. You know,

471
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.839
if you like the series, everyone is allowed to like

472
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:40.920
whatever they want, you know, that's that's the great thing

473
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:42.880
about it, you know, And if you don't like it,

474
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:49.400
that's okay. Too, But but you know, just just enjoy,

475
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.599
just enjoy watching Star Trek, you know, don't don't try

476
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.799
to make it bad for those who do like the episodes,

477
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.319
and and don't attack the people who who actually have

478
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.039
a true reason for not liking episode two. I see

479
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:03.079
you see people, you know, they're like, when we came

480
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.400
out with with Subspace Rhapsody, we had our reasons and

481
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.920
we explained it and and so you know, that's okay,

482
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:12.559
Everything is okay, you're it's it's all right to like

483
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:16.200
and dislike episodes, but just be nice to everybody.

484
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.839
Yep, yeah, I totally agree with what that. Yeah. The

485
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:21.440
only thing I would add to it is just that,

486
00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:23.839
you know, in order for the franchise to thrive, it

487
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:28.519
has to live. So you know, it's it's not taking

488
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.440
away from original series or whatever somebody might be holding

489
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.640
on to as kind of protected nostalgia. There's nothing wrong

490
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:39.559
with that. But a platform like Paramount is not going

491
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:44.400
to continue to keep something like that on. If it's

492
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:49.319
only a time capsule, it's going to get more it's

493
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:53.799
going to get more difficult to find in that way,

494
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:57.440
So allow it to thrive, allow it to try new things.

495
00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:00.519
That's how the original even got on to television in

496
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.200
the first place when it was as opposed to so

497
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.680
it's you know, you have the option of not watching it,

498
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.160
but yeah, let's not get to a place where we're

499
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:14.039
attacking things that other people like and just every once

500
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.200
in a while, just come to one of these things

501
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:20.960
with an open mind. And I guarantee if you if

502
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.680
you spend enough time sampling some of this stuff, you're

503
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.680
going to find what you probably enjoyed in the first

504
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:32.200
place about whichever series that you loved. And I would

505
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.200
think that would only make somebody happy to know that

506
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.000
people care about this franchise enough to keep it going right.

507
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.359
And I just you know, once you don't, don't anybody

508
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:45.440
that sees this, don't get disenchanted or worried because they're there.

509
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.440
It's it's like I said, it's a minority. The majority

510
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.680
love Star Trek. We love each other. You know. It's

511
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:53.799
it's such a great fan base. It can be a

512
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.160
great fan base. We see it at the conventions.

513
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.319
When we go to absolutely do this.

514
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:03.039
You know, it's it's a wonderful, wonder full thing. Embrace that,

515
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.799
get become part of that and and just just enjoy it.

516
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.920
For what it is wonderful television. All right, Now that

517
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:13.599
we got that rant over, I had to think out

518
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:16.079
that was something that was that was you know, sticking

519
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.920
to my crawl right now, all right, let's continue. Well,

520
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.200
we've given our opinions on the episode, so now let's

521
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.640
take a look at the characters themselves. Which character do

522
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.319
you think shine the most this week?

523
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:31.039
David Well, I feel like I say this answer a

524
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.240
few times, but I am definitely going with a horror

525
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:38.119
on this one. I truly felt for her, you know

526
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.839
when when she discovered that her friend was killed that

527
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.119
she did not know about at all, and it caught

528
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:50.079
her by surprise, you know how she was gave that

529
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.240
speech to him about you know, him being angry at

530
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:57.000
Starfleet because they took Erica away, but in essence, they didn't,

531
00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:59.200
and he really needs to look at it that way.

532
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.119
Her sacrifice and volunteering to join with the Jacare and

533
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.920
listening to her hum that communication that she had with

534
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.839
the creature and herself, just her willing to do that.

535
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.839
You know, Spock did it because he really didn't. He

536
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.000
really didn't have a choice, let's be honest here. But

537
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.519
she did. She had a choice, and she took it

538
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:26.119
because she's a communication officer. She knows that is her responsibility.

539
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.200
But it's not just that. It's to the next level.

540
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.119
She's trying to save a life. She doesn't want to

541
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.720
see something get killed because it is a living, breathing

542
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.079
being out there and she wants to communicate with it

543
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.160
to see what she can do to help it. And

544
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:46.720
that's what sets her so high above so many people,

545
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.799
especially in this episode. Naschelle. Again, we said it last week,

546
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.279
Shoe Nicholas should be so proud of what they are

547
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.759
doing with this character because she was beautiful in this episode.

548
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:03.480
I totally agree. Yeah, Celia Gooding never ever disappoints, and

549
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.119
it is I would say it's a difficult choice in

550
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:10.480
this episode. I think we get great perspective on Captain Pike,

551
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:16.839
on Spock, on la on Erica, but it's all those

552
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.400
moments that you mentioned, Dave. While away, I would go

553
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:25.000
to Ahura. It's interesting that there's a moment when she's

554
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.359
asked if she always believes in what Starfleet is doing,

555
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.000
and I think that's part of what's at stake when

556
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.319
she volunteers, which has got to be a scary prospect

557
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.680
because you have Spock, who is someone who has trained

558
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.799
for this, who knows what he's doing, has done it

559
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.920
several times before. She has confidence that she's able to

560
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.960
do it, but it still has to be a scary

561
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.519
prospect to sit in that chair, to wear that device,

562
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.599
and know that she is not only is she at

563
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.960
risk for her personal well being seeing what has happened

564
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:07.359
with Spock, but the mission is in jeopardy and the

565
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.279
nature of how Starfleet will be perceived is possibly in jeopardy.

566
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.799
So to take all that on confidently in a split

567
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:20.359
second decision is worth a lot of respect. Wayne, What

568
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:20.759
about you?

569
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.759
Yeah, I mean, this was a hard episode to choose

570
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.480
which one shined, But I agree with both of you.

571
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.400
It's funny that we chose all chose the same person.

572
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.880
You heard just stood out just a little bit more

573
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.119
than the other characters in this episode, And a lot

574
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.559
of it is due to that scene where Beto confronts her,

575
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.960
you know about his that theory about Starfleet and it's

576
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.839
it's motives and as ulterior motives and everything. Her I

577
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.240
don't call it speech, but well, yeah, you know what

578
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.559
she says. Her her is just just embodies Starfleet, just

579
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.079
shows how much optimism and hope and and and you

580
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.000
know that she has you know, she's given herself to

581
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.799
Starfleet and I can you know, I Celia and Rose

582
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.400
Gooding we mentioned that I love her and I love

583
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.759
what she's doing with you her. I could hear every

584
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.799
word that she said in that scene being said by

585
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:20.400
Michelle Nichols. It's feel so perfect in the character. And

586
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.240
every time I see her, I just think she grows

587
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.960
more and more. So, yeah, we all three of us

588
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:26.599
shows you her.

589
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.920
Of yea. Even even that part where he goes up

590
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.039
against Pike, Pike says I cannot sacrifice any more crew

591
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.039
members to this. He goes, you don't have to. I'm

592
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.680
volunteering to do it. It was just like, whoa, Okay,

593
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.599
that's that's her. We know absolutely.

594
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.440
It's such a strong and powerful moment for the character.

595
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.880
And I think that's why we love her. That's why

596
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.759
the writers. I just they're doing such a fantastic job

597
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:56.799
with this character making it so strong. All Right, if

598
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.200
you have any choice to be any character that appeared

599
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.799
in this episode, which one would it be? And why

600
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.279
how about you start this one? Scott? This one's tough.

601
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.440
It is because there are so many people that are

602
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:16.279
in difficult situations. I don't know that I envy any

603
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.480
of them having to experience these things. But the one

604
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.400
that stands out to me is probably unichin Reley because

605
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.000
I think, you know, like we saw in at asbra Prespera,

606
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:33.599
her belief in Starfleet, her belief in what it can be.

607
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.880
I think she stands out as kind of a beacon

608
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:38.599
of hope in this one. So I'd be interested to

609
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.359
see her kind of interactions with the with the crew.

610
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.440
She had a great line that stood out to me

611
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:48.880
because it brought back one of the quotes from the

612
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.880
two thousand and nine Star Trek where Bone says spaces

613
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:55.400
disease and danger repped in darkness and silence. She has

614
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.720
that scene where she says someone once said that space

615
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:01.000
is dark and cold and full of death. Our job

616
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.880
is to bring bring warmth and bring life wherever we go.

617
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:10.320
Oh my god, that floored me. So the fact that

618
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.199
she has that role in a leadership position, I'd just

619
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.559
be interested to see where she her interactions with the

620
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:19.559
crew in this word.

621
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.119
So I'm going to continue with the character who I

622
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.880
felt shine the most. I know she put herself in

623
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:27.760
a lot of danger and of course I'm talking about

624
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.119
you her, But just the fact that as much as

625
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.920
she loves communication, as much as she loves learning language

626
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.480
in learning to about other creatures and aliens and getting

627
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.000
to talk to them, just getting to sit there and

628
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.599
be able to communicate with this being that nobody else

629
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.559
could speak with it would be something special.

630
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:49.079
Yeah.

631
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:50.519
I know she was in a lot of pain and

632
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:54.599
she was suffering as she was doing that, but just

633
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.880
putting herself into something she loves so much. I mean,

634
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.599
we all love something so much that we would love

635
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.719
that's all we would love to do, and when we

636
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.480
do get to do it, it's something special. So the

637
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.000
fact that he got to do that just makes me

638
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:11.719
want to be or so that I could be in

639
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.880
her shoes to experience what he's experiencing and getting to

640
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.239
feel what he's feeling was just something special for me. So,

641
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.760
without question, would be her.

642
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.480
Well, I've got an unusual selection. I'm probably going to

643
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.519
have to explain it, but I think because this was

644
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.679
a really hard choice. Beto a touric or Tegus Beeto

645
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:33.920
te or Tegus. I always have trouble saying his last

646
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:37.440
ning because you know, first of all, he's he's a

647
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.880
documentarian and he got the run of the Enterprise, which

648
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:44.119
I think would be absolutely cool. But he had his

649
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.519
eyes opened in this episode, at least I hope he did.

650
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:52.239
And you know, he got to see the greatest crew

651
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.679
of the Flagship of the Federation work at their best

652
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.039
and come up with with a great solution to the

653
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:03.960
whole situation, and hopefully took a little bit of you know,

654
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.039
information from that. He got to see Starfleet in a

655
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.519
new way, you know, the way that it that the

656
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.000
Enterprise sees it. You know, they see it as a

657
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:18.760
force of good it is. You know, he came walked

658
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:23.320
into this thinking you know, there were military reasons, there

659
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.760
was ulterior motives, and they opened his eyes to to

660
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.559
a whole new way of the way, you know, the

661
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.280
way things are, the way things they work. So I'm

662
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.280
I chose him just because of how enlightened he was

663
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.400
by them and the fact that he got to work

664
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.719
and be around that incredible crew. Was all right, Now,

665
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.880
we're going to dive deep into the episode and see

666
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.480
if we can pull out any easter eggs. With this

667
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.000
being a documentary episode, that wasn't the easiest thing to

668
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.239
do because there wasn't that many of them. But let's see,

669
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.159
did either one of you find anything that what's interesting?

670
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:58.679
I did not know.

671
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.320
No, uh, Califune enlighten us.

672
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.440
Well these are I really had to stretch because there

673
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.199
wasn't very many in here. But I'm going to start

674
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.119
off with some technical information. Okay, the episode establishes that

675
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:17.159
the USS Enterprise is exactly four hundred and forty two

676
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.360
meters in length. Now, this goes against what we originally

677
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.000
knew the Enterprise from the original series was, which according

678
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.840
to the USS Enterprise Technical Manual, which was released Sick

679
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.000
in the seventies and then re released again in the nineties.

680
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.679
I got the nineties copy, but it states that the

681
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.599
ship was two hundred and eighty nine meters in length,

682
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.960
which is rather short if you really think about it.

683
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.960
But we're gonna I'm looking at this considering the technical

684
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.679
Manual isn't actually really considered part of the canon of

685
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.800
the series, you know, because it was published as a

686
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:52.159
book and it's never really stated. So this new number,

687
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.519
this four hundred and forty two meters, is correct and

688
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.840
what everyone should assume that the Enterprise is now. Along

689
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.519
with that, it also states with the Enterprise carries two

690
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.239
hundred and three crew members, which is a much lower

691
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.519
number than the four hundred and thirty crew members that

692
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.119
were a board during Kirk's time. This is correct. Actually,

693
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.239
the two hundred and three number is correct with continuity

694
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.239
because Captain Pike stated in the original series pilot The

695
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:25.800
Cage that the Enterprise had two hundred and three crew members. Now,

696
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.000
Spock mentions that as a child, he ran away to

697
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.719
the Plane of Blood. That's a very desolate part of

698
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.880
the planet Vulcan that's located within the Forge. Now, in

699
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.559
the Star Trek Enterprise episode that was titled The Forge,

700
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.119
Captain Archer and to Paul were led into the Plane

701
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.320
of Blood while searching for a religious sect of Vulcans

702
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.079
that followed the teaching a Syrax. So that's right, there's

703
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.119
a nice little bit of continuity. Also, Spock has a

704
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:56.199
Vulcan meditation lamp in his quarters, which looks exactly like

705
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the meditation lamp that both to Paul on Inn Prize

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and tuvoc on Voyager had in their quarters as well. Plus,

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and finally, this I kind of laugh. I love that

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scene at the end with the crew together having another meal.

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We didn't guest. We haven't seen Pike cook very much

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this season, have we, So it was nice to see that,

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and we got to see a very brief and quick

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glance of Battel. He is serving those brightly colored food

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cubes for his get together. That was a nice touch

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because if you remember in the original series, everybody was

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eating those those food cubes that were all various colors.

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So that is it for this week's episode of Phasers

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such as Stunts look at Star Trek Strange New Worlds.

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We'd like to open a channel to our listeners and

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hear just what you thought about the most recent episode

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and find out what gyms are hidden within. A big

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thank you once again to my fellow trekkers David and

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Scott for joining me and the listeners for another fascinating discussion.

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Yeah thanksure leading the way absolutely now.

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Next episode is entitled four and a half Vulcans, the

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eighth episode of the season. The Paramount Plus blurb for

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that episode states, after a mission turns crew members into vulcans,

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trouble arises when they try to revert to humans. So

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what do you think we got coming up?

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Comedy?

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Yeah, finally, it looks like it's going to be a

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really really fun episode, and.

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We know Spock's gonna be the half vulcan.

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And we look forward to returning to the twenty third

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century and the bridge of the Starship Enterprise with you

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next week on Phasers Set to Stunt