Sept. 3, 2024

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek First Contact

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek First Contact
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Season 5Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and more. On this episode, our crew welcomes Star Trek historian Chuck Bryan to the bridge for a fascinating knowledge-packed conversation about Star Trek First Contact. Join us for part one of the assimilation!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, Welcome back to Phasers Set to stud where

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we continue to show our love for everything Star Trek

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in this ongoing series from a film by podcast which

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focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of Trek

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by colverting television, animation, movies, directors.

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And much more.

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Plotting the course, as always is your Core Trek crew.

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I'm Scott Hoffmann, Data Burns and I'm Wayne Whitey.

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And this week we're also happy to have a special

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guest joining our crew. Welcome Chuck Bryan.

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Hey, thanks for having me on. I'm really looking forward

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to talking to you all of you on Phaser Set

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to Stun for Star Trek First Contact.

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Fantastic. Yeah, thanks for being here. We wanted to have

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you on the show because we heard the great job

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that you did on Surely you can't be serious when

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they were talking about Star Trek the Motion picture, Well,

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can you tell us about how that came about?

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Oh yeah, absolutely, so. I think it was Dean Jason.

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We're talking about what's coming up, and it was in

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one of their What Went Wrong series and they were

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going to prepare the motion picture with the Phantom Menace,

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and I had just gone through going through rewatching the

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director's cut of Star Trek Commotion Picture, and I'm saying, WHOA,

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I think it's not worth the hate on that one.

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So reached out to them. They said, we got to

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have you on the show. And we recorded that show

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earlier this summer and it came out and it was

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pretty well received.

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Very good episode. It is a good episode Star Trek.

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The Motion Pictures one of my top three Star Trek films,

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so I really enjoyed it.

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Oh great, We're happy to have you on the crew

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in this episode. We're continuing to follow the next Generation

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on the silver screen with their first solo Trek with

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Star Trek First Contact, released in nineteen ninety six in November.

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Released in November nineteen ninety six, written by Brandon Braga

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and Ronald D. Moore, with Rick Berman as producer and

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one of our favorites in the director's chair, Jonathan Frakes,

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for a first Next Generation film. I was ecstatic to

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see Jonathan Fras in the chair.

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Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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You know he wasn't the first choice for director. Yeah, no,

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they asked Ridley Scott first.

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And I'm glad that did happened.

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Yeah, I agree, I am too.

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I mean it us have kind of interesting parallels with

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Alien since it had a kind of a space horror

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kind of been to it.

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Yeah, but I.

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Absolutely think that Franks is the better choice there. I

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think it would have gone in some directions. It probably

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shouldn't have with Ridley.

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But I think I think Franke's even said that he

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went and watched like Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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Alien to kind of get his mindset for this film

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when he was directing it. And you can kind of

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see a little bit in this movie, you can.

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Yeah, but absolutely soon to reach a broader audience.

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Yeah, with that kind of approach.

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And John McTernan was another director that they were considering.

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That's right, and that could have been a slightly different

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movie altogether.

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Yes it would, But I'm being die hard, you know exactly.

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Which makes me want to see like the Alternate Universe

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video store where we could actually pick that up off

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the shelf. I mean, we still have the choice of

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having this one, but at least we could see what

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would have happened with it.

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I mean, we would have record when kaye mother.

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Oh god, we'd have data saying that, yeah, oh, that

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would work.

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Yeah, I know.

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I was excited to see this for the first For

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the first time I saw the trailer drop, I knew

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I absolutely wanted to see this. You have the full

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Next Generation crew facing off with the Borg and a

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follow up to one of the biggest two partners in

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Trek history, best of both worlds. Even though that's not

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the last place we see the Borg, it's it seems

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like almost a pick up from that in that we're

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following kind of the repercussions for Picard and where he

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stands with the fleet. So before we get too much

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further into it, obviously, let's talk about a red alert, because,

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unlike when we discussed the series, this episode is full

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of spoilers because we can't really say anything if you

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don't be a short episode. So if you haven't seen it,

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please go and do so and come back to join us.

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We'll be waiting here for you. All right, Well, let's

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break it down a little bit, Dave, why don't you

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give us a summary of what this movie is all about?

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Absolutely? The Card and crew now find themselves on a

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new Enterprise out guarding the neutral zone. When Starfleet Command

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reaches out to advise the enemy that no one wanted

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to return has done just that. The Borg have reappeared

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and set on reaching Earth once and for all, no

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matter who gets in its way. Quickly, the Card disobeys

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orders and sends the Enterprise to Earth to join the fight.

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In a devastating battle, the Enterprise in Starfleet seem to

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have stopped them, however, and getting their ship destroyed. The

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Board have other plans, and that involves going into the past,

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where the Enterprise and its crew must quickly follow to

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save Earth and one of its historical figures from total annihilation. Yeah.

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I mean, as you just described, it's a pace that

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does not it's unrelenting. It is, it doesn't slow down

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from the first moment it starts to pick up.

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So, Scott, you were talking about how when you first

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saw the trailer, just how excited you were about it.

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I don't know if you remember the teaser trailer, and

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the teaser trailer started off with, uh, you know, the

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mister movie voice kind of giving the you know this

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thing is going to happen, and you know these enemies whatever,

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and you see this borgified kind of structure in space,

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and then it slowly rotates and you see the delta,

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the Federation delta, and then a board qube comes flying by.

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Remember that, and then immediately after that, if you it

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had shots of the Enterprise d in it. So at

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this point I started thinking, Oh, they're going to do

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like a you know, a constitution a you know, like

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with with the Enterprise A you know, they're just going

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to get another Galaxy class starship. Uh so uh. It

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was much later before I even realized that they were

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going to do a whole new Enterprise for this, So

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that trailer just really did its job and getting ready

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for this to uh to land.

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They didn't absolutely I forgot about that teaser until you

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just mentioned it.

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It was good.

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Yeah, that was very well done.

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You know. I know we're gonna get to a round

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too to talk a little bit later, because I know

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Wayne's gonna have some treats for this. But as soon

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as the first beat starts, when the paramount symbol comes

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up and we're hearing Jerry Goldsmith score. You know you're

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in for a treat in this movie because his music

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in this film is phenomenal and is one of my

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favorite scores of all the Star Trek films.

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Yep, absolutely agree. I mean, I'm probably the world's biggest

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Goldsmith fan and it is one of my favorites.

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It's top form Goldsmith, Wayne, I'm gonna I'm gonna be

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right there next to you as the second Goldsmith fan.

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So yeah, I I to me, I still like the

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music from Motion Picture, but this one is a extremely

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close second, and I can pick up either one and

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put it on and I'm enjoying it.

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Yes, Yeah, It's one that seems to have to kind

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of straddle a lot of different almost subgenres, right because

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we do have kind of the little bit more of

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the horrific moments, the action and adventure, but also the

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comedy on the surface, and I think it does so seamlessly.

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Oh yeah, Oh, he's he's perfect for that. He's done

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all those genres. I mean, no one else could could

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do a score better for Star Trek than Jerry Goldsmith.

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With some help from Roy Orbison doing Booby doo Be

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Booby doo Bee that's a tough hair worm to get

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out of your head.

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The only song on that juke box.

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Clearly, right, that's true.

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It's just a bunch of records that I'll play that

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one play and a little bit of bareleios. Right.

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Yeah.

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That scene where Piccard is kind of contemplating the upcoming

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well actually he's not contemplating the battle at all. He's

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kind of dealing with his frustrations of not being able

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to be in there because Starfleet said stay away, that's

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too much of a risk.

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And what a what a.

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That was a great shot too, just a fabulous how

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Jonathan Frakes just kind of he made it man, kind

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of like Michael Myers, Yes, he did justice.

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The music kind of swells up right and it's shaking

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all of the all the contents of his desk.

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Yeah.

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It was just very well, very well done.

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All right.

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So from the beginning, I feel like we should probably

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talk about the cast a little bit, because obviously we

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have most of the next generation cast, aside from Whoopi

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Goldberg as Guynan, which was a little bit of a surprising,

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I guess omission in this one. But I think given

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the nature of the story, it may is it may

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be better the Guyan wasn't there because it didn't seem

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like it needed a lot of soul searching on this one.

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Well, yeah, but it is surprised that she didn't appear

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because of the Borg. I mean, with her and the

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history she has to be at the Borg, it was

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a bit of surprise, but it kind of would have

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crammed too much into the story.

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I think I think she was even surprised she wasn't

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asked back.

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Yeah, right, considering it was a boring story.

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Yeah, but I mean it does make sense, I think.

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I mean, I do miss her because she is part

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of the crew, but I feel like you're right. It

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would have crammed too much into this story and it

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really would have taken away from the flow of it.

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I feel yeah, And it.

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Probably wouldn't have been any more than maybe a cameo

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appearance like some of the other Next Generation cast made.

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I don't really see it being worth anything having her

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appear in the film.

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Yeah, I think the pacing of this film was perfect,

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So yeah.

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She definitely. I think Alfre would have kind of played

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the part that Gynon would have really played reflection Supercard

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and what he was going through in this film, and

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she was phenomenal in Oh.

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Yes, yeah, And I mean I would say, you know,

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we had some modern day star power as they were rising.

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Think Alfred Wound, James Cromwell, just to name a few.

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Yeah, he's been on the crew. He'd been on Star

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Trek a couple of times before on Next Generation du

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Space nine and uh wasn't it the year before that

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he was nominated for an Academy Award for a Babe

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for Babes or ninety five, So I mean he's fresh

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off of that. That's a pretty pretty big star power

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for nineteen ninety six.

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Yep, yeah, yeah, I remember him and uh, you know,

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of course Babe and then the Green Mile l A Confidential.

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I don't know if you remember the I Robot movie.

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Uh oh yes, yeah.

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He actually played one of the doctors who was the

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head of the company that that made the robots. So

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he's no stranger to uh two good movies.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think he was the perfect choice. I know we're

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going to get into lifts a little bit later. I

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think he's precisely the right choice, especially when you think

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about the fact that he acknowledges this movie as one

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that's the closest to kind of playing himself.

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Great, which is kind of scary, isn't it.

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Inventing warp drive technology, or that he's a big fan

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of and maybe he likes tequila. You know, he's a

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big Orbison fan. He likes to hit on counselors, you know,

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things like that. A few other additions to the cast.

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I think, uh Neil McDonough as Lieutenant Hawk did a

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superb job, and honestly, Uh kind of threw me. Uh

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threw me off as far as you know, the whole

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red Shirt theory and you know who you think might

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be eliminated. He was doing so well. I was very

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surprised when he didn't make it. It seemed like it

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could have been another addition to the cast.

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I agree, I think there was. Is it Michael Horton

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who played Lieutenant Daniels. I think you're right, And he

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was the officer I believe who they when the car

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was going crazy thing we got to hold him off,

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no matter what. It all coughed. Yeah, and you know

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he looked the wharf and the whole thing. I know,

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we'll get to that a little bit later, but I

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thought Horton did a really good job in that role

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right there.

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Yeah. Yeah, And obviously we've got to mention another star

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that's very prominent, very important to this Alice Creeg as

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the Queen.

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Yes, oh my god, Greedy fantastic in here. She she's

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fantastic and everything she does, but the Board Queen, what

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an incredible character she created.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely, And she's a wonderful actress. You know, she's done

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a lot of stuff. She was in Charots of Fire

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and ghost Story and the second four. She's had a

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lot of television and I'm going to do a shout

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out here too that she's actually crossed over into Doctor

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Who and done some of the audios. So I love

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hearing her.

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I love seeing her.

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And of course, you know, she came back a couple

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of times later. I'm not going to mention the second one,

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but she came back in the Voyager finale.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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She was really good and against Mickey vork in a

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show called Barfly that was a really good movie.

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I remember that. Yeah.

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Yeah. It was a very interesting choice to have her

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as a voice for the Borg, even though it's not

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the voice for it, and it gives another interesting kind

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of dive into the structure of the boorg, making it

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seem a little bit more And there's another parallel to

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aliens for an antive right or a beehive having some

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kind of hierarchic, hierarchical structure with a with a queen

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kind of at the top. Surprising term but very effective.

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I like in some of her dialogue it comes out

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like I have always been there. When she was talking

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to a card, you know there towards the end of

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the film, you know that her voice has always been

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there because he kind of recognizes her at first but

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doesn't but then does you know, it goes back and forth.

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I like that that addition that she has always been

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there and we just didn't realize it until now.

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Yeah, I do too, And we got something new with

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her coming in being the queen, you know, not having

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that organizational structure before. It's really great to go and

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see a Star Trek movie and they tell you something

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that it's new, but it it feels like it just

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fits as opposed to being something out of left field

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that you're trying to wrap your head around. It's very

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natural that they would have a high organization. In addition

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to that, that whole collective Yeah.

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I think they've always done a great job with the

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borer species to kind of peel little bits of wallpaper away,

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just so that you see a little bit of a

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hint that was under the surface and makes you want

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to kind of peel it a little bit more. Right,

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So we're never necessarily served up with everything we need

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to know about it. And this was just one more taste.

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But I think it was very very well explored in

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future episodes.

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Here's something I want to explore in Theion, you know,

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go with me here, Guys, when they're on the Enterprise

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here towards the beginning and they're out of the neutral

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drone and doing their kind of thing, they're all obviously bored,

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and you know they kind of talk about, you know,

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they're just working the bugs out of the ship. But

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they've been done. But Jeordie makes a comment, He says,

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we've been out here a year. We're ready, We're ready.

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So where is this year of stories?

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We've actually had a shakedown cruise.

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I would love to find out what stories we are

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missing in that one year with Enterprise E.

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I wonder if they've ever explored that. I mean, I

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don't know too much about the novels at the time,

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or when I do know the comics, I don't remember

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them ever doing anything there. But you bring that up

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that I never thought about that. Yeah, year of stories

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and adventures with this crew, though we've never.

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Seen, it's intriguing to think about.

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I wonder if within that year of stories we might

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get a little bit more of wondering about Jordie's transition

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from the Visor to the implants.

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Yeah.

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Right, So it's entirely possible that even though you know,

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medicine has advanced a lot, it's possible that he wouldn't

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necessarily need time for recovery. But with it, with a

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major change like that, it's entirely possible that we might

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at least have kind of an engineering hiatus where he

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has to at least step aside to a certain degree

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while he well, he works through that, while he continues

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to live lived with that. I was glad to see

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that that was one of the changes they had made here.

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I finally gave LeVar the opportunity to lose the visor.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, even though it was like, oh but I started

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to work contact. Damn it, it's just like my eyes

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come on.

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I was going to ask about all the cameos that

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happened if y'all had caught a lot of those, So.

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There was one interesting one that I didn't even know existed,

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but Adam Scott yes as a con officer on the

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Defiant Very Quick Yeah, which.

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Parks Parks and Recreation. My favorite episode with him in

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it was the treat S traiw Salp where he got

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the Batman outfit It's good you like it wearing out

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the store. Another one that I really liked it was

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it was actually uncredited, was Ethan Phillips as the major

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when they went into the into the bar, and of

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course we had we had Robert Riccardo making the scene

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as the holographic doctor.

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I love his scene. It's it's so funny.

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Yes, I am a doctor, not a doorstop. And then

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the last character was It wasn't really a cameo, but

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it it took me a second. Actually had to go

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and look this one up because I kept looking at

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him thinking I know him from somewhere. But Nicky the

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Knows was played by Don Stark, and that name would

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not have meant anything to me, but when I went

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and looked it up. He played Bob on that seventies

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show the guy the next door neighbor with the on

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there and then did you know that? And you go

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back and you watch, going, oh my gosh, it is

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totally bopped.

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You can't unsee it.

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Yeah, you cannot.

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That scene with Robert Ricardo. One of the things that

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I loved about that was Beverly's reluctance to use the

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EMA where I'd never use one of these things. But fine,

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I could see her saying that you do it.

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Yeah, I got twenty board knocking outside the door, right.

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And then, of course we don't want to forget to

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Dwight Schultz's brief appearance playing Markley on there, and and

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then I also want to mention to Patty Esa takes

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appearance as near Sogawa. She recently, in the last week

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or two passed away, and I think, I think this

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is her final appearance, and it's just nice to see

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these familiar faces from the Enterprise in this film.

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It was I picked her first name.

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I picked up that her first name was Alisa. Yes,

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I got one on there.

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I have not ever heard that before.

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So yeah, well, I'll tell you what.

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I think.

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It's staff for us to take a quick break when

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we come back we'll dive a little bit deeper into

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the movie and get into some of our favorite parts. Okay,

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we're back. So we were just diving into the meat

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of the story and kind of some of our favorite parts.

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We talked a little bit about Jordy transitioning from the

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visor to having bionic implants, and it made me think

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that I wanted to discuss the opening of this movie,

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which seems like it has kind of a thematic deep

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dive into Picard's psyche to show how deeply ingrained the

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boards still are. I know that's something that comes back

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in Picard Season three, but it was a very clever

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choice to have all the names out of focus, kind

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of sharply coming in and as you pull out, you

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see that you're kind of coming out of Picard's head almost,

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and see how vast the board ship was and how

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much he found himself kind of swallowed up in it.

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All the way up until the end of that sequence

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when you see a was it a drill or some

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kind of probe or something like that. I actually and

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it's just like, wow.

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Please stop, please stop, please stop.

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It's going from that moment, you know what kind of

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movie this is gonna be okay a little bit about

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it horror and then quickly goes to you know, you

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think that it's you know, real life, but you're still

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in the dream sequence until he looks at the side

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of his cheek and s he's a bored implant burst out. Uh.

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Things like that were brave decisions. I think there were

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there were bold decisions to make, but for showing kind

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of the horror of the boorg, I think it was

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a good a good call.

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Yeah, it set the tone.

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I think getting to explore more with the card in

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this because I mean, what he had to deal with

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at the end of with best of both worlds, that's

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a lot. You know. We we talked about the family

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episode that we all love, you know, where he deals

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with some of that, but in this movie we get

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to explore more that you depth with him. And I

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think one of my favorite scenes of this entire movie

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is when Lily and him. You know, he's basically giving

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up on the crew. He's going to stop the board

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at all costs, no matter what the cost is, and

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Lily goes off with him. You try to talk him

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out of it, and you get that whole Mobe Dick

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talk with Captain Ahab and all of that. That's one

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of my favorite scenes of this whole movie is what

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Lily does right there and pulls him out of it,

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because he makes him realize what he's doing here, and

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that's exploring the whole thing with him. You know, he's

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at that point that he's got to realize, what am

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I doing? You know, they've controlled me for this long

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and again to control of him here because he's hearing them.

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He's got to do something about it, and it just

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takes Lily to pull him out of that. I just

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love that.

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Yeah. Well, it's it's coming on the heels of a

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moment that we never expected to see where he's challenging

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's bravery. Oh yeah, it's a moment where it feels

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like he's in that moment losing a grip on his curve,

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like he's becoming somebody that they're not going to trust,

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that they're not going to follow.

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He had become Captain Ahab at this point. He had, Yeah,

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he had totally lost sight of the objective and the

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right thing to do at that point.

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Yeah, And I think it's appropriate that Lily was the

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one that shook him out because I don't know that

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anyone on the crew would have right, Yeah, that.

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Whole line from Dwarf And you know, if you or

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any other man, I would kill you where you stand.

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It's just like whoa, you know.

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Yeah, although I think his apology could have been a

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little stronger. Oh, and he says, I am sorry about

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some of the things that I said, and I was

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I'd be like, bring that a little further. You were

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in from death, bring a little further.

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Yep.

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Absolutely, let's get the pain sticks out.

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We're going.

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I would want to go back a little bit. I

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want to go back a little bit towards the beginning

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of the film where they're listening to the audio of

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the other ships who are getting attacked or in attacking

480
00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:03.279
the and they're all like the cameras just moving around

481
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:05.440
to the different crew members as are listening to this,

482
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:07.920
and the pic card stands up and walks over and

483
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.279
basically shuts off the audio because you know, it's devastating

484
00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.160
to listen to obviously of what's going on. And that's

485
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.119
when he's making the decision, you know, and he turns

486
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:18.079
to his crew and tells them, you know, I'm about

487
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.519
ready to disobey some orders. You know, if you disagree

488
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:22.880
with that, you know, go ahead and tell me. I'm

489
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:25.519
going to notate it. But and then when Data makes

490
00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.279
this comment too that you know, I believe I speak

491
00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:31.680
for everybody we're with you, you know that kind of thing,

492
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:34.400
so I help with their order.

493
00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:36.880
Yeah, that scene too, is very reminiscent of when the

494
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:40.279
Enterprise was listening to the Battle at Wolf three five nine. Yes,

495
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.559
it really revokes that that scene. And let me point

496
00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:45.839
out too, in this part of the type of the

497
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.359
film to go up to something I've mentioned back in

498
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.599
Generations to we finally have new uniforms for the crew. Yeah,

499
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:56.039
you know, they tried it last last movie. It didn't

500
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.000
work out, and now we have them and they were

501
00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:01.440
created by Robert Blackman. And then these look, these look sharp.

502
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:05.519
These these are great film you know, great costumes. They

503
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:07.680
made them in mass production so that they could use

504
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.440
them on Deep Space nine, and they actually switched over

505
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:17.400
just right after this film and the Rapture, so you know,

506
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.720
after the little mistake they made with Generations, we finally

507
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:21.680
got them and they looked great.

508
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:23.640
Yeah, I think I know. One of our complaints when

509
00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:26.079
that we talked about in Generations was the lighting of

510
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:28.759
the bridge. Yes, I think though this one was perfect.

511
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.799
Well. The lighting works better for this new design, the

512
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:34.200
new bridge and then the new sets and stuff. You know,

513
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:36.519
it's more of a gray. I kind of missed that

514
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.200
nice colorful look though, but it works better. The lighting

515
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.559
and the sets and all mixed. It didn't it didn't

516
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.880
quite mix properly with the Enterprise d R.

517
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:47.759
Yeah, it seems like they almost had kind of a

518
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.519
darker tone, which helps to kind of transition when you

519
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.359
see parts of it that have been assimilated.

520
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:55.920
And I'm sure that when they built the sets too,

521
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:58.079
they also had that in mind. The Enterprise d sets

522
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:00.640
weren't were thought of, you know, when they those they

523
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:04.200
had the brighter television lights. I'm sure that was considered.

524
00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:06.759
I mean this, this literally is the Wrath of Khan

525
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.319
for the next generation crew. You know, you get that

526
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.640
darker story, that darker tone, the darker everything, the look

527
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.400
of it. So I think that's why they went with

528
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:16.799
all of that, and it worked perfectly.

529
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.720
We also get a bit of comedy on the surface.

530
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.559
I know we kind of touched that, touched on that briefly,

531
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:28.839
but can we take a minute to talk about drunk Deanna.

532
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.359
Oh that's the one of the funniest parts of the film.

533
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.559
Yeah, for sure, she handles that, she takes that in

534
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:39.160
stride so well, but also seeing Riker kind of interact

535
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:40.960
with her and trying to kind of shake her out

536
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:41.200
of it.

537
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:46.200
We don't have timeline, I don't know the whole really.

538
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.440
We don't have that time.

539
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:50.319
Exactly.

540
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:51.759
Yeah, you're blended.

541
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.240
Yeah, all right.

542
00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:00.799
So so back at the battle scene. One of the

543
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.359
things that I thought was was really cool. And we'll

544
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.000
get into this with with the music, but you know,

545
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:10.440
we we get the Klingon theme again in this particular point,

546
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:15.640
and we see the Defiant come out. The ship that

547
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:20.480
was meant to battle the Borg is finally battling the board. Yes,

548
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.799
but but it's it's not it's not faring too well. Uh,

549
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.920
and so it gets disabled, and of course the crew

550
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.319
the survivors are beamed over and uh, there was a

551
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.279
great line from Riker. He looks over at wharf and

552
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:39.119
he says, nice little ship and what looks at him

553
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.559
a little you know, And uh, there was actually a

554
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.440
that was a throwback I think from a show called

555
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:52.200
DS nine episode called Second Chances, where Transporter duplicate Thomas

556
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.119
Reiker called it little ship, So I don't know what

557
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.640
those are related, but both that calls them in two

558
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.000
different ways, a good call, and he even he even

559
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.279
continued with that, you do know how to remember to

560
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.559
fire feathers, right.

561
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:09.319
Yeah, i'd seen some where there was a follow up

562
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.319
line they thought about going with where Warf responds with

563
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.640
it's the green button, right, but that they didn't want

564
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.319
to give him too many comedy chops too early. Don't

565
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:19.319
get me there yet.

566
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:23.640
The registry number of the Defiant is what seventy four

567
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.960
to two five, which is the birthday at Gene Roddenberry's son.

568
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:31.000
Oh yeah, oh wow, that's right. Okay, I think then

569
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.920
they were going to destroy the Defiant there, and then

570
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:35.559
they're like no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah no.

571
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.559
We still need on this other show that we haven't

572
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:39.400
quite finished up.

573
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.680
We really really really needed for this little dividion.

574
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.799
We just got a spaceship on DS nine take it

575
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.119
away from us, right exactly. But that was a great

576
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.400
way though, of getting Wharf, who is now fully engaged

577
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.079
with Deep Space nine, back into the movie.

578
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:58.960
Yes, it was genius, It really was.

579
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.039
Yeah.

580
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:05.400
One last thing on that battle so Ilm did the

581
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.880
effects for this and in ninety six, ILM was also

582
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:13.000
working on another movie. It wasn't a new movie. It

583
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.359
was a re release of a film with updated special effects,

584
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.799
and they had completed work on the CGI Millennium Falcon.

585
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.000
And there is a scene at the very start of

586
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:28.480
that cut where some lasers hit the phasers hit the

587
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:32.039
side and you see the Millennium Falcon goes streaking by

588
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:33.200
in the background.

589
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:33.559
Yep.

590
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.119
Interesting, is it part of the battle?

591
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.359
Is part of the battle, but it's a small ship.

592
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:41.319
It's in the background.

593
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:44.519
Interesting.

594
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:45.240
Yeah.

595
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.559
I was just wondering if they just, you know, Hant

596
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:49.839
and Chewie happened to pull by it and they're like, nope, nope,

597
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:51.319
keep going.

598
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.519
I don't know, I'm counting it as cannon exactly.

599
00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:58.079
Yeah.

600
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:01.400
That was a great battle, It really was. All right,

601
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.759
let's talk a little bit about behind the scenes. So

602
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:09.200
I had seen that this one held the record as

603
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.319
the highest grossing Star Trek film to date, making over

604
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:16.599
one hundred and fifty million ye and highest first weekend

605
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:18.200
gross of over thirty million.

606
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:18.880
Yeah.

607
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.440
So that's a record that it held until the two

608
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:23.759
thousand and nine Star Trek movie.

609
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:25.000
Is that right, That's right, that's right.

610
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.559
Yeah, so clearly right out of the gate, Next Generation

611
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:34.079
is doing a good job bringing people in with a

612
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.880
movie that people are still happy about, very talking about

613
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.200
a lot. Maybe not so much with Insurrection and Nemesis,

614
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:43.759
but we'll talk about that some other time.

615
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.559
Its budget was forty five million, but it brought in

616
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.960
one hundred and forty six million, so they did pretty good.

617
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.440
Yeah. What I like to is the fact they wanted

618
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.000
to do more with the Board's costumes in the show,

619
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.720
but they didn't have the budget to do it. This time,

620
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.920
they had the budget to do it, and the board

621
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.519
looked incredible in this movie.

622
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.359
There's so many variations. There's only there's only like I

623
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.200
think eight actors, eight or so actors that were listed

624
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.839
in the credits for this, but they had made different

625
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:20.000
combinations of the costumes and they look great. And going back,

626
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.680
it's just in kind of reading about the costumes, it's

627
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.119
like I didn't really realize at the time in my

628
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:28.920
memory how the costumes for the board looked in the

629
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.079
television show. But they said they would put parts like

630
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.680
a little battleship on one of the shoulders that if

631
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.440
you were to expand that up on a movie screen,

632
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.000
it just wouldn't hold up, but on a TV screen

633
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:44.839
looks fine. So the board got an incredible upgrade that

634
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.119
I think they were able to use these costumes, you know,

635
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.519
just like the new uniforms. They were able to use

636
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:55.240
these costumes in future TV shows. And we'll talk about

637
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.319
this later in the music. But the board got a theme,

638
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:00.799
so good stuff.

639
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.880
Well we also get some I guess Federation adjacent species

640
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.440
that are assimilated, some Bullion and Klingon.

641
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:14.200
Species.

642
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.799
I had kind of noticed there, so makes me kind

643
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:20.480
of wonder there's got to be the precursor to this,

644
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.559
if they had encountered any Lingons on the way that

645
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.240
they assimilated on their way to Earth, or if that

646
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.599
had happened earlier, any thoughts on that.

647
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:36.039
I think I think they're from they were assimilated earlier.

648
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:37.920
I think they weren't. They didn't they beam over from

649
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:38.759
the Spear.

650
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.920
I don't remember. Yeah, they had to have been, because

651
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.640
we didn't necessarily get a lot of shots inside the cube.

652
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.519
The only reason I say that is because I think

653
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:51.119
one of them was also a card Assian, and we

654
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.160
know there wasn't a card Assian on the Enterprise.

655
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.079
Yeah, so I don't know when we think about you

656
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.759
know what led up to this movie. It might be

657
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.160
interesting to see little bit of that story as well.

658
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:03.799
Yeah, I mean that that what made this movie take

659
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:06.000
a darker tone too, is how the crew members were

660
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.640
just getting taken and quickly obviously being turned into Borg

661
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:11.839
and then turn around just having to fight the crew

662
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.400
members again. It just that was creepy. You know. Even

663
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.880
Picarden makes that mention when he's breaking up the crew

664
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:21.160
and sending them down to the lower decks to fight them.

665
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:22.960
And then obviously we know what he has to do

666
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.680
in the hollow deck when he just blows off that

667
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.799
he's just killed one of his crew members even though

668
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:31.279
they were the Borg. Yeah, that's just that's dark.

669
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:34.880
Yeah, when you can see that uniform underneath the Borg outfit,

670
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.279
that's wow. That was a really powerful scene.

671
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:38.680
Yep. Yeah.

672
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.559
Well, and then there's uh, I think before then when

673
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.400
Picard has the moment when a crew member kind of

674
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.079
pleads to him for help. M and you see that

675
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.319
momentary hesitation because he's kind of be coming from a

676
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.359
place where he's like I was assimilated.

677
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:52.559
But I was saved.

678
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.400
But in this moment, I know that probably not possible

679
00:33:57.559 --> 00:33:59.440
with a lot of the crew, so he has to

680
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.319
to shoot him, and that's that's a very difficult decision.

681
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.319
I believe this is the movie too that Jonathan Frake's

682
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.480
got his nickname to take freaks.

683
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:09.599
Yeah, thank to thank you.

684
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.519
He's Jonathan Frakes is really good at what he does,

685
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.519
and I can see the way that he kept coming

686
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.360
back for Star Trek still is doing Star Trek.

687
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.239
Every time you see directed by Jonathan Frank's on any

688
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.519
Star Trek episodes, you're just like, I'm I'm all in

689
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:28.920
for this.

690
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:30.679
Yeah, we we know that.

691
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.639
We recently discovered that on Discovery when his name peered up,

692
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.039
we knew we ran for a good episode.

693
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.559
And sure enough, well.

694
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:39.760
You know that he you know that he comes to

695
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.159
the production of the vision, he knows what he wants,

696
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.199
and that seems like he has a really a real

697
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.480
talent for being able to bring the cast and the

698
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.639
crew together to help them kind of share in that

699
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:51.599
vision and then make.

700
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:51.800
It so.

701
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.559
Nice. I think I think what it is is his

702
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.360
passion for Star Trek is still there, and it's it's

703
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.679
he got that when he worked on the Nick Generation

704
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.119
TV series and he just kept that and it shows,

705
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.039
you know, he knows how to direct a film. He

706
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.519
knows how to work with actors because he is an actor,

707
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:14.639
and it just everything just comes to fruition with him

708
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.039
and with working with all these people cast crew, and

709
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.360
he knows how to handle that. In his vision is

710
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.360
spot on because he comes from Star Trek. He has

711
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.400
it in his blood, right, so you know, and he

712
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.079
knows that, and that's why they need to continue to

713
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.760
use him in other stuff and keep doing it, keep

714
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:34.280
doing it.

715
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:38.360
Definitely, I hope we see him come back and strange

716
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.039
New worlds at least at least once or twice.

717
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:41.400
That we do.

718
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.840
In an interview with Jerry Goldsmith, Jerry was talking about

719
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.360
how weird it was to sit next to the director

720
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.199
while they're watching them lay the music down, but then

721
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.719
also seeing the director as an act on the screen,

722
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.440
you know, and this is ninety six. He's like, well,

723
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.559
this is not all that, Tom, and that rite that

724
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.840
and he was very complimentary of the job that that

725
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.440
Franks did all around.

726
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.039
It was Yeah, I think originally wasn't the card supposed

727
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:13.599
to be on the planet and Franks was supposed to

728
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:14.239
be on the enterprise.

729
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.639
Yeah, that's right, And.

730
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.039
I knew they made the switch obviously they needed to

731
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.119
make the switch because Franks need to be off camera

732
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.639
quite a lot more because since he's directing the film.

733
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.119
But I think that was a smart move too, because

734
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:26.719
they was having a big card on the ship made

735
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:27.280
more sense.

736
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.679
Yeah, And I mean I was gonna mention this in

737
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.199
the watt IFFs, but Picard never made contact with the

738
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.400
Borg and that that draft and that just didn't make

739
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.000
any sense to anyone, you know, of of of all

740
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.199
the characters who had history with the Borg, it's a card,

741
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.280
you know, why would he not have anything to do

742
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.639
with the Borg in this film? But they just did.

743
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:46.679
They're doing to work for him.

744
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.039
No any any other production notes.

745
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.559
We want to mention the site of of where the

746
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.320
Phoenix was was a decommissioned titaned to nuclear missile and

747
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.880
it was a demilitarized so that had no fuel or payload.

748
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.559
And what's really interesting is that that particular filming location

749
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:10.039
is under the auspices of and these are some old treaties,

750
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.599
the Salt the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaties and SMART the

751
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.960
Strategic Missile Arms Reduction Treaty. Now these were signed some

752
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.199
time ago, but one of the stipulations for that is

753
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.800
that one of the two silo doors must remain unblocked

754
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.280
at all time so that Russian satellites can go over

755
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.559
to verify that that thing is still there.

756
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.840
Ah wow, yeah, I did not know that. That's interesting.

757
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:36.559
That's a pretty intimidating thing.

758
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:37.480
Yeah.

759
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:41.400
Yeah, So they actually had to get permission to put

760
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.800
the fiberglass cone of the phoenix up on top to

761
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.039
replace the cone that was really there.

762
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.039
And yeah, and.

763
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.559
So of course that was in That was filmed in Arizona,

764
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.679
and then the encampment out on the outside was filmed

765
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:01.239
in California's Angelo's National Forest, so it was some distance away.

766
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.199
But through the the magic of movies, you know, we

767
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.119
put those two areas together in the same place, and

768
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:12.239
with a little composition for I l M, we see

769
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.119
the phoenix going out, launching from the from behind the

770
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:17.599
bar there.

771
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:26.400
That's wow. That's a pretty significant stipulation for issoot no pressure.

772
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.920
No pressure, no pressure.

773
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.920
It added a lot of production quality to the film.

774
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.199
I mean, they couldn't have have they wouldn't have the

775
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:35.880
budget to build anything like that on set.

776
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:37.000
Yeah.

777
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:37.800
Yeah.

778
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.800
So when data jumps down that that's actually a real

779
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:42.840
missile sidelo place.

780
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.039
I heard there was some some drama with that stunt

781
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:52.400
was really well the I think I've heard Brent Spinner

782
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:56.599
talking about then kind of telling him what the stunt

783
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.360
would be and kind of writing that all the way

784
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.239
down the the missile and being a bit nervous about that.

785
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:06.440
I don't know how much truth there is to that,

786
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.599
but I'll trust Brent with the story.

787
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.719
Yeah, and there was a I thought it was kind

788
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.320
of a great little bit of foreshadowing for later on

789
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.239
where Picard goes up to the to the phoenix and

790
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.760
he's touching it and Data says, well, does touching it

791
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.800
make it any more real to you? And he says

792
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.639
something about being human when you can touch and feel something,

793
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.719
it makes it more real to you, you know, you

794
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.840
connect with it. And of course Data puts his hand

795
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:36.440
on it, and all he can tell is just the

796
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.639
mechanical aspects of it, just a very clinical description of

797
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:44.079
what he's feeling, kind of foreshadowing this organic flesh that's

798
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.000
going to be grafted onto.

799
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.000
Him later on. That's a very interesting take on that.

800
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:57.679
I hadn't even made that connection, but yeah, that's brilliant foreshadowing. Well, guys,

801
00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:59.559
I think we have a lot more to talk about,

802
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.599
but let's stop here and continue talking next week about

803
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:06.760
Star Trek. First Contact. As always, thanks to our listeners

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