Sept. 11, 2024

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek First Contact Concluded

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek First Contact Concluded
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Season 5Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and more. On this episode, our crew continues their discussion of Star Trek First Contact with Star Trek historian Chuck Bryan!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt, where

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we continue to show our love for everything Star Trek

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in this ongoing series From a Film by a podcast

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which focuses on every quadrant of that expanding universe by

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covering television, animation, movies, directors, and much more. This week,

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we're coming back to continue our chat about Star Trek

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First Contact with our core crew.

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I'm Scott Hoffman as always, I'm.

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Joined by David Burns and Wayne Whited with our special

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guest coming back, Chuck Bryant. As I said last week,

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we've got even more to say about this amazing movie.

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So guys, let's get back to it.

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Chuck, you were just talking about a very interesting take

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on when Data makes physical contact with the missile and

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he has a very cold interpretation of it. Let's talk

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about his relationship with the Boorg Queen and kind of

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that sinister perversion of his dream right to become more

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human and have that sensation of touch. Keeping in mind

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on assuming that the board don't manufacture that skin, that

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it's probably harvested and most likely harvested from his crewmates.

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When she's giving him that sensation of touch, Like that's

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that is so disturbing. Yeah, what are our thoughts on

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that that whole relations Yeah, I.

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Did not think of that at all. Now I'm creep

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a little bit.

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Try to sell it and kind of save it and

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say like, well maybe they have some kind of like

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flesh processor if they have to replace. No, they wouldn't

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do that. They would just take whatever bits they cobble together.

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So yeah, there's a lot between the borg, i mean,

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the queen and data where you know, you're right, she's

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using that because she's basically want to replace Locutus with him,

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and she's using that emotion thing against him, you know,

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getting not just the the the skin, but the pleasure,

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you know, the sexual pleasure too, because she has that

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conversation with him and he goes through you know, talking

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about what he talked about what season two or three

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when he was talking about.

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Four minutes seconds.

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Yeah, yeah, that was a comedy.

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It is, you know, but it leads up to you

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believe that she talk has talked Data into turning. So

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when you get that scene where you know he's firing

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the torpedoes at Cochrane ship, you believe it's happening. And

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that leads up to one of my absolutely favorite scenes

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of this whole movie when they go right on past

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and she just turns Data. He goes, resistance is futile. Loved,

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loved that scene.

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Yeah, he just throws his four arm into that. Yep,

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just that case.

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It's such a highlight of the film too, because for

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like that those you're watching, those quantum torpedoes kind of

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drift over, and of course everyone in the Phoenix is like, oh,

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the Enterprise is just here to see us off.

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You know, you have no idea whatsoever.

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And I was trying to see when I watched it

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last time if there was like any clue as to

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when Data may have kind of given tipped his hand

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that maybe.

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He was playing the queen.

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And I really honest, I was bought an hook line

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and Sinker even really looking for something in the story

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that maybe kind of gave you a little bit of

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a beat to that. And yeah, I didn't see it, No,

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I didn't either.

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Yeah, and I wonder if that was maybe off camera

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because there's so much of when he has the first

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craft on his forearm and she says, you know, treat

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it like a defective circuit, just rip it off, and

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he has a real struggle with that, and then it

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goes even further for him to have kind of a

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new swatch kind of.

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On his face.

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I wonder if it's before that and he's kind of

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playing her before he steps up and does that.

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Big actually doesn't Ficard ask Data, you know if he

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was tempted, and Data comes back saying that it was

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like he was for like zero point four or five

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seven second or something like that.

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Right, And that's an eternity, it's an area. Yeah, And

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this is the I guess I know that we have.

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to kind of live with it. We see it manipulating

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him in dissent back in the episode when he's you know,

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says goodbye to Lore. This one has kind of that

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added layer of not only emotional manipulation but sexual manipulation

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and probably trying to get into what Data is still

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trying to figure out about what love is. There's a

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lot of layers to that, and I feel so bad

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for Data, Like I'm glad he finally gets to a

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good place with the emotionship because this poor guy's been

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waiting his whole life.

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He has he has more control over now because he

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can turn off and on when he needs to. If

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you saw that, because Picard even tells him, turn off

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your emotionship, right, and he turns it off, and you

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know Picard makes that comment, there are sometimes I envy

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you Data, Yeah, you know, when already go into that fight.

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So so he definitely has a lot more control over.

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But you're right, it's a lot that he has to

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deal with.

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That's your shit.

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What are some of their favorite moments that come to

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mind for you?

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Chuck? Uh?

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You know, just I was just thinking about Zephyrn Cochran

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a little bit and wanted to talk a little bit

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about his character because I don't know if you've ever

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gone into one of these these cons and you meet

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an actor, sometimes the experience may be pleasant and sometimes

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it may not be anything like you expected. And I

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think Zephyrn Cochrane just he comes off, you know, he

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didn't want to be soone famous. He just honestly, he

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just wanted to drink and and and make money so

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that he could retire to a little island in this

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and there's a there's a great scene in there that

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just gave me a little bit of chills when when

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Riker and Zephyrm were in the cockpit of the Phoenix,

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and uh, Will says something like, don't try to be

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a great man, just be a man and let history

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make its own judgment. Like who said that. He goes, well,

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you did in about ten years, you know. So he

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has that, he has the experience of going to warp

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he has the experience. This is post World War three,

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so you have, uh, you're you're under the.

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Potential getting attacked by the who was it? The was

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it the econ the coalition?

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Right, and so they're all in groups and and so

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Earth has not yet united. But the very first time

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that we have proof positive that we're not alone, Yeah,

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that changes a lot of things more everyone, Maybe even

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more so than the invention of warp drive. That was

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just the thing that that triggered it. It was really

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more of that first contact. Yeah movie Uh also too,

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I like that zephyrn Cochran name drop star trek. Oh, yeah,

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on the Astronauts on a star trek.

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That's a star trek.

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Yeah, like a rakerd lined to JORDI, you told him

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about the statue.

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You guys do, I got to take a leak. What

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you guys do go to the bathroom in the twenty

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fourth century?

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Oh, I get it.

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Oh that's a good one. He was.

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So I thought, I thought, I thought.

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His character was was really well done because you know,

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we actually, you know, we've seen Zephyrn Pofferm in Metamorphosis

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from the original series, and you know, there's a there's

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a you know, not a lot of inconsistencies, but a

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few of course, just from the oh he came from

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Alpha centaury, you know, versus you know, he was of

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Earth and whatnot. But I think that the net thing

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is that at some point, you know, Zephyrn got to

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the end of his life, he just wanted to go

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out in space and die, and he ended up where

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he was in Metamorphosis with the companion who kept him

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alive for you know, one hundred and fifty years before

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Kirk and Spock right and saw them. But yeah, I

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thought I thought that uh, I think that was Glenn

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Corbett who played him in that one. Yeah, but but yeah,

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that was that was a I thought having Zephron Cochrane

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in this movie was was great.

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And one of my what ifs is what if Zephyrn.

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Didn't come back from his little break in the woods,

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what would have happened?

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Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I've thought about that from time

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to time, like with with somebody from the Enterprise crew

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have to step in and pretend to be Zephyrom.

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Yeah, yeah, somebody had the launched.

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That rocket, right, Yeah, yeah, I think he was is written.

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He was written as a character and performed so well

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as kind of a bridge, I would say for new viewers,

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because if anybody up until this point, if anybody in

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the audience had thought, well, I'm not invested in the

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original series crew, I'm not really into Kirk and Spock

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and that whole thing, this technically gives somebody a little

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bit of a fresh start.

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To step into it.

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And you have Cochrane's character being somebody who listens to Steppenwolf,

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that just has to pee from time to time, that

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doesn't want to be great, just wants to do his

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job right. So it seems like that's kind of a

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relatable character for the audience to come into, especially somebody

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who's fresh, and say like, oh, I kind of see

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what this is all about. Right.

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Just the fact of using magic carpet rad was.

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A stunner because you haven't heard this kind of music

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in a Star Trek film.

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So when you finally get it, you're like, whoa.

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You're kind of taken out of it for a moment,

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and then you realize, oh, this is really cool that

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they've done this.

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You know, Scott, you hit on something.

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But I think makes this film great, and it's accessibility

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to the new fan or maybe the spouse who's going with.

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Her husband on opening night.

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The fans, you don't really have to know a lot, right,

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I mean, you understand that.

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The border like zombies.

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If you will, you know, and you see that that

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we have this mission that we have to do. We

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we They relate more through Zephyrm and through Lily, maybe much.

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More so than through our other characters.

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They may not get all of the details, but you know,

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the movie is extremely approachable. And if I was to

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show any Star Trek movie to someone.

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Who had none, it's no experience with it.

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I would probably start with this film before I started them,

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like on Wrath of Khan or something, you know, just

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something that's just very easy, very exciting to get into,

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and then show them some of the other.

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Films as well.

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Yeah, for sure.

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It's it's interesting when you talk about like where to

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start somebody on Star Trek, my inclination is to say

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First Contact and or Wrath of Con But when I'm

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thinking about kind of showing it to kids the first time,

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they both have very interestingly kind of shocking, gross up moments,

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right when you're seeing everybody assimilated and having the implants

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kind of put on them when you see the earworm

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thing crawl out and Wrath of Con. I know this

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is the first PG thirteen Trek film yep. But then again,

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it's also very exciting. Like if you're showing it to kids, yeah,

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you got to kind of you know, be choiceful about that.

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But it's also something it's very very interesting. From like

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that excitement, let angle that it's not going to be

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so steeped in science as somebody.

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Might think it is. Right, what about your favorite moments

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I'm curious, Well, you know, I just I love the

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uh the simplicity of the opening Crow's yes, you know,

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right from the beginning of this film, you know, it's

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just the title and Jerry Goldsmith's beautiful theme.

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You know, it was kind of a.

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Surprise when when the first film first came out and

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when I first saw it that you know, we were

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all expecting the main theme, the Star Trek theme from Goldsmith,

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and then we didn't get that until the very end

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of the film. Uh, you know, we got this this

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great brand new theme that he wrote, which you know

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you remembered that theme, you know, Yeah, you came out

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of it.

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It was.

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It was so good, it was so memorable. It just

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just goes to show why you know, Jerry Goldsmith was

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one of Hollywood's best composers at the time and most

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wanted too. And it's really sadly missed today.

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Like I told you guys when I texted you today,

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I was humming that theme all night last night, and

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I woke up humming it this morning because.

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It is it's so memorable and it sticks with you.

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And I also I've got one of my favorite bits

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is it's Alice Kriigsborg Queen. I just love her character

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because she's so good in this and she plays off

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Prince Spiner so well. You know, it's it's a fantastic design,

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an incredible performance.

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You know.

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I think that's what kiss me off about the Voyager

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finale so much, is because we got to return and

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then we hardly ever see her. You know, I'm still

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fumi about that twenty years later, you know, because she

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she's so good in this film, and you know, every

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scene she's in, I just I perk up.

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I just love watching it.

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I was gonna say one of the stories that I

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had heard about Alice Krieg was that she had electromagnic

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hypersensitive hyptivity, so that, you know, any prolonged exposure to say, television,

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would cause her a great discomfort. And so when she

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started this film, she she she was aware culturally of

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what Star Trek was, but she had not seen Star Trek.

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And it was definitely due to Brent Spiner who really

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helped usher her in and help her to navigate the

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things that she needed to know about her character and

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where she fit in the universe. In there, so she

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spent a lot.

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It was a very uncomfortable part for her to play too.

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That costume she's wearing was so tight and it was

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made out of rubber. She was blistering underneath it. But

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according to the other members of the cast, she never complained,

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Uh you know that never complained about it. You know,

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the contacts were giving were miserable for her to wear,

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but she never complained about it. And you know, it's amazing,

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considering how much uncomfortable she was during the film that

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she put out this incredible performance.

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You can't notice that she does such a good job.

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And wasn't that the best entrance ever?

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Oh yeah, all the.

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Wires with that's the spine, Yes, yeah, yeah, a phenomenal introduction.

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Yes, Dave, what about you? Any other favorite parts?

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I have talked about many of mine, but I think

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one of the things that I love about this movie

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is the overall tone. One of the things that I

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feel like sometimes misses from Star Trek is the military aspect.

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I know it's not a military organization, Starfleet is not that,

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but sometimes I want that in a Starfleet film, and

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you get that in this one. You know, where they're

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all getting all the rifles out, and you know they're

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getting ready to have to go down the hallways to

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attack the Borg and fight, but not just that.

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Is this the whole dark.

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Tone of this film good that comes along with it.

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You have to have that obviously because it's the borg

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and what you're dealing with. So I think that overall

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tone is probably my favorite piece of all of this.

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You know, I talked.

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About Lily in her conversation with the Card being at

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their data, you know, with the Queen, you know, surprising

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us that you know he was fooling her the whole time.

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You know, there's just a bunch of stuff in this

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film that's so good. The Pacne, everything, the music.

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That's why this is one of my favorite films, especially

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the Next Generation Crew. This is my favorite film of them,

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but just all of it who came together so well

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that it's tough to pick one thing, you.

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Know, Yeah, it is.

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It's interesting to talk about, like the the action sequences,

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and I guess not necessarily the militaristic aspect of it

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so much, but the combat aspect of it. Yeah, it's

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interesting that they come to it in some of those

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fight scenes from a bit more of a scientific angle,

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like when the Guard has to kind of like kick

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off with the magnetic boots and flies safely overhead, right, Yeah,

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using their intelligence to kind of get around some situations.

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That one of the more hyper violent scenes in the

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Holideck where he mows down some borg with a Tommy gun.

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Obviously there's a lot of rage that he's kind of

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getting out there. But I wonder if he's also making

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a very specifically con just decision to use something like

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bullets on a board because he knows the kind of

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tech that he has to get out of their system.

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So if he had put himself in more of a

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futuristic setting where it's more of an energy based weapon,

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he may have burned that out, blown that out, whatever,

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aside from you know, throwing the board off because they're

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not expecting niked the nose.

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But nobody's expecting naked the nose.

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Nobody.

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Well, now that we've talked about what was, let's talk

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about what if there's some other directions they could have

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gone in the past with this movie. We've already talked

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about some some other directors. We've talked a little bit

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about Seph from Conchrane and the amazing choice to use

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James Cromwell. I'm very glad that they chose James instead

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of another person that had been at least considered Tom Hanks.

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I remember that. I'm that boy that goes back. I

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do remember them considering him. Yeah, he was offered, wouldn't he?

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Yes?

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He was.

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Yeah.

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So I believe Tom can do a lot. I don't

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know that he would have been right for this because

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I feel like it would have been so much attention

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on Tom.

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Would you agree with that.

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Yeah, I would agree, definitely.

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Yes, James Carima was the perfect role actor for this,

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There's no doubt.

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I want to talk about the early drafts of this

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film because they're actually rather interesting, the what ifs we

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could have got compared to what we did get. You know,

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the first draft of this film was titled Star Trek Renaissance,

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and it's exactly what you think for the name. It

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had the Enterprise crew hunting down the Borg in fifteenth

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century Italy. It had battles with sword fights alongside the

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use of the phaser and data became Leonardo da Vinci's apprentice,

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you know.

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That interest.

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But it was dropped because, well, Ronald Moore thought that

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it would be a little too campy, maybe over the top,

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far too expensive to actually be able to do. And

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I guess Patrick Stewart. He refused to wear tights, so

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that's that's was dropped. And then the second draft their

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second idea, which was called Star Trek Resurrection. This was

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in the This was closer to what we got, but

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twas the mid twenty first century Montana, you know, just

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like the humans are recovering from World War three, but

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the Borg attack Cochrane's lab and they leave Zephram Cochrane

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comatose and forces Picard to assume his place to continue

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the warp test and restore the history. This is what

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he brought up earlier because in this draft, Picard had

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no contact with the with the board because he's busy

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on Earth taking Cochrane's place. And then there was also

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this big love story with a photographer, a news reporter

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named Ruby and Riker was on the Enterprise fighting the Borg.

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And then they also was They threw about the ideas

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of putting Q in this film. M But you know,

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it's it's interesting to think about what could have been,

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especially the Italy one. But I'm so glad they didn't

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go with these scripts.

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Oh yeah, we would have a different conversation right now if.

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It's definitely different.

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Well, Chuck, when you talk about accessibility, you're not going

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to get that. If you toss in that much of

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a divergent time travel with Q, it'd have been like,

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I'm going to go get popcorn. I don't don't know

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what those movie is about.

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It would have been too much. You know, you have

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the Borg, but to throw Q into the storyline, too much,

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too much going on.

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Yeah, Wayne, didn't they even consider the American Civil War?

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Yes, they did. It was briefly.

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I'm not sure if it went to draft, but they

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were talking about that, and you know, I guess time

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travel was always at the beginning of their their thoughts

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with this. Ye, which still I'm glad that they went

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with what they did.

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Oh yeah, obviously they made the right decision.

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Would have been interesting, though. I would love to well,

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we did actually see a little bit of Star Trek

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in the Civil War and Voyager.

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But yeah, I don't know.

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I think no, no, I wouldn't.

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Want to say no no.

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I was trying to think about the Civil War and

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I was thinking about there's a great YouTube series called

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Star Trek Continues where they actually had an episode that.

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Took place in the Civil War.

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I forgot about that.

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Oh yeah, it was it was. It was really good.

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But just in terms of what we got with Star

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Trek First Contact, the the other film that I kind

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of related to in my mind is the other time

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travel film, which was Star Trek four. And in Star

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Trek four, they spent a lot of time kind of

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explaining how they needed to go back in time. I

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liked that what we got here it was just we're

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chasing through this, We're chasing after the spear.

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It's gone through time.

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We got caught in this wake and it's kind of

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we're just going straight through. We don't have to go

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through and do the explanations or the weird dolls falling

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into the milky thing, whatever that is. But what I

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like in Star Trek four was that we got just

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such a great ensemble picture where everyone had a chance

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to do something. Everyone had a little bit of a

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moment to shine. It might not have been a large moment,

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but it was. It was a moment you got to

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learn something different about them, like you.

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You learned more about.

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How Sulu was was brought up, where you came from.

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You got some of that and this something I'm not

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sure if I ever realized before. I didn't realize Beverly

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Crusher was a commander and until she started giving the

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destruct sequences.

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Yeah, I didn't. I didn't realize that.

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Yeah.

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So I enjoyed the fact that.

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They had a piece where everyone had a kind of

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a mission that they were that they were doing, And

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sometimes I think, why weren't they more concerned on the

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ground that they could not contact the ener.

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We should be hearing something by now, right, Yeah, I know.

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Yeah, all right, Well, I tell you what we're just

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about at the end. We're gonna take one more quick

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break and when we come back, we will talk about

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who we might want to be in this movie. All right,

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we're back a lot of a lot of episodes where

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we talk about Star Trek. We come back to the

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score because it is such a unintended instrumental part of

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the series. Chuck, let's start off with the with you

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talking about the score of this movie, specifically Jerry go

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Smith and a few other contributors to this one.

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Yeah. Absolutely so.

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Right from the very beginning, they had a budget line

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item for Jerry Goldsmith to be.

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They knew that they wanted him and they were all

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he was all on board.

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He had his four week window that he could come

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in and start writing out the pieces that he needed to.

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But the film that he was currently working on was

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called The Ghost in the Darkness and that got extended,

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and so his four week window changed the three weeks.

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And so he had offered up to say, hey, look,

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my son, Joel is a fine composer, and well, you know,

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they were paying for Goldsmith.

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They wanted Goldsmith.

483
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.079
But the arrangement that they ultimately came up with is

484
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.519
that that you know, out of the sixty eight minutes

485
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.240
of music, Joel would write about a third of that,

486
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:58.119
or about twenty minutes of that. And so if you

487
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:04.079
look at the track listing of the score, the three

488
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:08.920
tracks that Joel did was the loa Cutest Q after

489
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:12.599
the main theme, retreat, and then the thirty nine point

490
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:13.880
one degree Celsius.

491
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:16.359
He contributed into that.

492
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:21.440
But also along with this, if you look at the credits,

493
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.519
one of the orchestrators for the film was none other

494
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:31.440
than Alexander Courage, and Alexander Courage wrote, of course, the

495
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:32.720
original Star Trek theme.

496
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.400
And so you might wonder what does an orchestrator do.

497
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.039
Well, if you go on IMDb and you take a

498
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.799
look at Jerry Goldsmith in nineteen ninety six, you'll see

499
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.279
that he had six films coming out if you look

500
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.799
in nineteen ninety seven, out six films coming out. If

501
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.400
you look at he always had around six films that

502
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:55.039
he was working on. And so if you think about that,

503
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.279
that's enough time for him to come up with the

504
00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.440
themes and kind of ideas for how he know which

505
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.680
instruments and whatnot that he wants to do this.

506
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.359
But taking those ideas and.

507
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.519
Putting them onto sheet music and filling it out for

508
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.400
an entire orchestra and getting it in front of them

509
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:13.480
is just something that if he had to do that,

510
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.680
he might not be able to do that in four

511
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.480
weeks plus do all the creative aspects of what he's doing.

512
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.880
And so Alexander Courage has been working with him for

513
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:27.160
a long time on comps like The Blue Max Swarm,

514
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.400
Star Trek, the motion picture Poulter Guy's Secret of Nim,

515
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.480
just tons of movies. He also worked with John Williams

516
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:40.279
quite a bit as well. So Alexander Courage it was

517
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.440
great to you know, at the very beginning, you know,

518
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:49.400
you hear his classic Star Trek theme kind of start off.

519
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:54.200
But in between each of the phrases of that little motif.

520
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:58.440
You hear this motif that Jerry Goldsmith wrote for Star

521
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.839
Trek five, the.

522
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.680
Boom boom boom boom.

523
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.440
You hear that when they're going through the Great Barrier. Uh.

524
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.200
And so that's kind of this quest.

525
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.640
You know, you're going on an adventure, and then it

526
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.480
flows into that beautiful first contact theme that we hear

527
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:19.680
all the way through, and then the last well, you know,

528
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.799
we hear the Klingon theme. I think we'd already mentioned that,

529
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.480
and of course we could hear the Star Trek March

530
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.599
theme as well. But the board also got at least

531
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.400
one theme, maybe two themes. The one that I hear

532
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.440
a lot is like from a court progression. It's like

533
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.640
a one five eight three minor third back down to

534
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:40.920
the one.

535
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:45.680
So it's that bomb bomb bomb boom bomb.

536
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.319
Sound that goes in. There's very ominous, and you first

537
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.839
hear it with the cube, but then every now and

538
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.000
then you would hear it in the background, especially when

539
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:57.079
data was on the getting the new skin and everything

540
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.680
on it. So we got a lot of new material

541
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:05.759
for this that was just really really great for us

542
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:08.400
who liked to collect the soundtracks.

543
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.440
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

544
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.960
Let me add that The CD of the score was

545
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.359
released by JMP Crescendo on December second of that year

546
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.079
of nineteen ninety six. It contained thirteen tracks and two

547
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.559
of the licensed songs, both Ubi Dubi and Magic Carpet

548
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.559
Ride was on there about thirty five minutes of Jerry's

549
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:32.200
score and ten minutes of Joel's. But then later on

550
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.839
they re released the score as a collector's edition in

551
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.279
twenty twelve. It had the complete scores of nine minutes,

552
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:43.920
twenty six tracks with three bonus tracks, and completely remastered

553
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:48.640
by Bruce Bottnik. It's still available to purchase from Crescendo Records,

554
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.200
and it is a fantastic score that'll stick with you.

555
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.640
If you don't own it in your collection, go get it.

556
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.279
Well. When we started this, I actually made that purchase

557
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:58.599
just a couple of weeks ago.

558
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.400
I was like nineteen dollars.

559
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.960
I mean, it is such a It's not like if

560
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.440
you go to La La Land and you try to

561
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.839
get the three disc motion picture, which is a little

562
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.160
bit more expensive. I love that it's such a good

563
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.279
is but it is. It's very affordable and it's a

564
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.680
great one to have in your collection, especially but it

565
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:19.599
doesn't have the ug.

566
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:24.400
No, I can't dance the Ubi Doob.

567
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:30.799
Now they'll put They'll put out the jukebox edition where

568
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:36.960
it's nineteen tracks all Ubi do Do you have anything

569
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.200
else you would have add about the score?

570
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.960
No, those two guys did a fantastic job. I mean right, yeah,

571
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:42.680
I can't.

572
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:44.240
I can't follow that. There's no way.

573
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.599
But no, seriously, they again. I'll say what I said before,

574
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.920
fantastic score. And it is my favorite score of all

575
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.359
the Star Trek films because I will constantly hum it,

576
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:55.440
and not the Star Trek theme.

577
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:56.599
I'm humming the theme that.

578
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.279
Jerry Goldsmith created for First Contact, and that says a

579
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:00.839
lot right there.

580
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.279
Yeah, I still can't shake Ubi Dooby. So it'll take

581
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:06.160
me a couple of days.

582
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:08.680
And but do you know when I listen, when I

583
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.119
hear Magic Carpet right every now and then, what movie

584
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:12.039
do I immediately go to?

585
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.240
Earth Contact? Yeah?

586
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:20.279
Definitely, Wayne another when it comes to Easter Eggs, you

587
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:23.440
always you always know the ins and outs of the

588
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:25.160
details that we miss.

589
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.960
What were some key streggs for you with this one? Oh?

590
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.480
There were some good ones in this film. I want

591
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.279
to start off by bringing up something that was brought

592
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:38.640
up earlier. The teaser trailer, there's a shot of USS

593
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:43.680
Voyager firing at a very unusual looking board cube in

594
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.559
this trailer. I have no idea why it's there or

595
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.160
why it was put together, but it's there. It's very

596
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:53.279
obvious start. It's very obviously USS Voyager. But the trailer

597
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:57.400
also contains an alternate version of the cards speech you

598
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.599
know the line must be drawn here, and many different

599
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.279
un used takes that it's very interesting to watch if

600
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:07.440
you've seen the film. Also, to save money, many of

601
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.799
the sets were cannibalized from other areas for this film.

602
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.680
The turbo lift came from what was built for Star

603
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.839
Trek the motion picture. So since this film was shot

604
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.599
between two seasons of Voyager, they used a lot of

605
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:25.559
the Voyager sets. The sick Bay was repainted, you were

606
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.000
used for Doctor Crusher's sick Bay. The cargo base set

607
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:35.559
became the weapons locker, and the Enterprise Ease Observation Lounge

608
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:38.680
is actually the Enterprise D's. They had completely overhauled it,

609
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:41.680
redressed and repainted it, but it's the same set.

610
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:42.880
Well.

611
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:50.000
The village that was built to for Bozeman, Montana features

612
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.559
a fifty two star American flag, which is absolutely identical

613
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.240
to the one that was used in the next Generation

614
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.079
episode The Royale. So there was some good continuity right there.

615
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.759
Sixteen new starship designs were created for this film. They

616
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.440
were mostly seen during the board Cube Battle. Got the

617
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.319
caure Cast class, the Saber class, steam Runner Class, the

618
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.720
Norway Class plus long you get to see some of

619
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.440
the older ships like the Nebula and the orth Oh.

620
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:20.880
This is a good one, you know. The film opened

621
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.240
the same day that Mark Leonard passed away. He was

622
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:30.680
seventy two. Yeah, and it's no coincidence. The zephyrm cochrane

623
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.559
mentions in the film the constellation Leo. He points it out,

624
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.079
this is where Wolf three five nine is located.

625
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.400
I thought that was an interesting connection.

626
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.880
That is and for those of you who like very

627
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:48.839
trivial trivia. According to the Stargates, the events of this

628
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.400
film take place between the Deep Space nine fifth season

629
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:56.519
episodes Blaze of Glory and Impoc Noor, and between the

630
00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:01.480
Voyagers third season episodes Real Life and Displaced, and then

631
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.880
just ending here. See Playmates released a line of Star

632
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:09.239
Trek first Contact action figures, but for some unknown reason

633
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.199
they were out of scale from all the other figures,

634
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:13.079
so you know, you couldn't really play with them.

635
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:14.119
I don't understand why they do.

636
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.639
It was very frustrating, and Marvel Comics released a comic

637
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.840
adaptation for the film and did a sequel to the

638
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.599
film called Second Contact, which had the Enterprise crew meeting

639
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:25.159
the X Men.

640
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:27.119
Oh oh boy.

641
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.639
Okay, it's a bit of a stretch, but all right, sure.

642
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.960
My only bits of trivia. Was the reason why April

643
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.480
fifth was picked as contact first contact day was it.

644
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.360
Was Ronald moore Son's birthday.

645
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.960
That's a nice touch.

646
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.840
It is the Gravette Island doesn't actually exist. That was

647
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.800
where they were supposed to rendezvous after they got out

648
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.800
of the Enterprise. It was named after ron Moore's assistant, Jacques.

649
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.360
The gold Enterprise E that was in the display case

650
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.480
up at the front was the model that was built

651
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.360
by John Eves that he delivered over to ILM who

652
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:17.360
actually then made the production model. This was the last

653
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.079
time that from this film on the Enterprise was always

654
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:26.039
after this film. The film was the digital CGI model

655
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.719
they used on that. And just because I actually had

656
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.960
to go and do this calculation, thirty nine point one

657
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.960
degree celsius is about one hundred.

658
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:36.880
And two degrees fahrenheit.

659
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.199
So when Beverly Crusher said it's getting a little warm

660
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.440
in here, it's getting warm, he was understating.

661
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.760
And let me add to two other ones. Production wrapped

662
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.280
on this film one June second, nineteen ninety six, two

663
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.920
days behind schedule, and that final scene that was shot

664
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.920
was that brief flashback with Captain McCard wearing his old

665
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.679
next Generation in a form when he was captive of

666
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:05.800
the Borg. And then finally First Contact was nominated for

667
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.239
an Academy Award for Best Makeup, but unfortunately loss to

668
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.840
the Nutty Professor. I think it was a shame that

669
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.840
Patrick Stewart was not nominated for Best Actor.

670
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:17.480
At least he deserved it for this film.

671
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:19.199
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

672
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.760
Let's talk about another kind of kind of what if

673
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.119
that's our own kind of of our own making. If

674
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.639
you could be anyone in this film, who would it be?

675
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.800
And why I'm gonna go with the person who I

676
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.039
said I think did the best job in this entire movie,

677
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:38.119
and that's Alfred Woodard, who played Lily, her learning that

678
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.000
there is a future and what it looks like, you know,

679
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.079
getting to meet someone from there, and knowing that there

680
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.000
is hope in a situation that they're living on on Earth,

681
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:50.639
I think is eye opening. You know, if any one

682
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.599
of us had that happened to us in a situation

683
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:54.280
that these were in. Because it was what after World

684
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.840
War three, so a lot of stuff has been destroyed,

685
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:58.440
There are not a lot of good things going on.

686
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:00.960
It doesn't look like you're gonna go any world. But

687
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.559
when you find somebody coming from the future that shows

688
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.599
you that hope and you get to experience a little

689
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.679
bit of that, I think that is incredible. But the

690
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:12.840
only thing I would have changed if I was Lily,

691
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:14.639
I would have gone with them.

692
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.679
Yeah, he can you look at your computer banks and

693
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.519
maybe it kind of look at the lottery numbers, just the.

694
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:26.280
Ones that nobody really won. I can set up a

695
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.039
place on Gravette Island.

696
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.400
And yeah, absolutely, Chuck, what about you?

697
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.360
Yeah, this one, this one I actually really had to

698
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.519
think about. And I was really glad to get this

699
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:44.679
question ahead of time, because I think in the end

700
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:50.440
I would. I'm a big Jordan LaForge fan, and the

701
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.039
fact that his character grows, I mean, you know, he

702
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.280
gets the new implants and he loses the visor and

703
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:57.800
we get to see LeVar Burton.

704
00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:58.480
Uh.

705
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.960
And and the fact that he gets to go he's

706
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:07.440
an engineer, He's already met Montgomery Scott and now he

707
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.280
gets to meet Zephyron Cochran, I mean wow. And not

708
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:13.519
only that he gets to say I went to an

709
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.920
elementary school.

710
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.320
That was named after you, and.

711
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.119
The first in Starfleet Academy. The first book that we

712
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.280
read on warp on Warp Drive, chapter one is called

713
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:30.559
Zephyron Cochrane. Your's my schematics for the intermix? Did I

714
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:31.360
get this right?

715
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:33.119
Yes?

716
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:34.239
Yeah, you got it right.

717
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.920
But as much as I would want to be Jordi LaForge.

718
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.480
I know that I tend to fan boy a lot

719
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.119
when I get up around actors and stuff, and I

720
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.719
usually kind of clam up and just become very you

721
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:50.280
know here signed this, YadA YadA, I would be more

722
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.639
like Reg. I would just be nerding out, like can

723
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:58.199
I shake your hand? So I'm either Jordy or I'm

724
00:38:58.239 --> 00:38:59.360
redg just depending on.

725
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:00.840
The day its choices.

726
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.039
I think I'd want to look up the guy who

727
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.280
invented transparent aluminum and just going to see maybe what happened.

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00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.360
Yeah, Wayne, what about you? With your choice?

729
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.440
I think I would be zeph from Cochrane only because

730
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.119
he's at the beginning of it all. You know, they're

731
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.719
coming out of that war and he's changing the world,

732
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.320
the whole universe for the people of Earth. He's to

733
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.719
be the first human to travel faster than light and

734
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.679
then get to see that Enterprise you know, in flight,

735
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.960
and then have your name remembered for hundreds of years,

736
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.840
you know. Plus he gets moral mortalized in that was

737
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.000
that the ride the Phoenix attraction at the Historic ar

738
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.880
Guy can't beat that. But just just his time during

739
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.639
in this film, because I don't care much for his

740
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.079
final fate seeing all those years on that asteroid with

741
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.119
that so it was that floating shiny cloud.

742
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:56.400
Now I don't I don't like that part of it.

743
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:00.679
Just just this park, Yeah, just the shiny parts. Yeah, yeah, Dave,

744
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.760
I'm aligned with you. I think Lily is my choice.

745
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.159
Not only does she get to explore the Enterprise during

746
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.599
a Poorg invasion and come through unscathed, so credit to

747
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.800
her for that, but I would I like to think

748
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.800
that she's likely one of the major ambassadors to the

749
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.599
Vulcan visitors because before the Enterprise crew shows up, she

750
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.719
seems to be kind of keeping Cochrane kind of on

751
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.480
task and helping him through some of his issues. She's

752
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:33.360
largely responsible for, you know, the outcome of this movie.

753
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.719
Considering that she stands up to Picard in a key

754
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:39.320
moment and helps him get through that in an important way.

755
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.599
I think she probably has a major part in history

756
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.840
that I'd be interested to learn a little bit more about.

757
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.159
Absolutely I would too.

758
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.880
Yep, Well, guys, we're gonna wrap it up.

759
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.960
Chuck, I want to thank you for joining us on

760
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.079
this when you've been an incredible guest, and if you're

761
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:58.639
ever interested in coming back, we would love to have

762
00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.039
you back.

763
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.280
Definitely, Yes, please, thank you guys.

764
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.159
Y'all were great. Y'all made it easy and I just

765
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.440
I enjoy talking track. So this is a lot of fun.

766
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.559
Good. Yeah, welcome to have your time.

767
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:14.280
And Dave and Wayne thank you as always.

768
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.960
You you bring your your A game with this, so

769
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.159
I always appreciate that.

770
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.119
Last I want to thank it, and last I want

771
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.800
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We'll see you next time on another Yeah, we'll see

779
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.320
you for another screw up at the end of the episode.

780
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.320
You almost made it.

781
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