Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek First Contact Concluded

0:01 Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows, both new and old, to engage in debate about all things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt. Hello, everyone, Welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt, where we continue to show our love for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series From a Film by a podcast which focuses on every quadrant of that expanding universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, and much more. This week, we're coming back to continue our chat about Star Trek First Contact with our core crew.

1:00 I'm Scott Hoffman as always, I'm. Joined by David Burns and Wayne Whited with our special guest coming back, Chuck Bryant. As I said last week, we've got even more to say about this amazing movie. So guys, let's get back to it. Chuck, you were just talking about a very interesting take on when Data makes physical contact with the missile and he has a very cold interpretation of it. Let's talk about his relationship with the Boorg Queen and kind of that sinister perversion of his dream right to become more human and have that sensation of touch. Keeping in mind on assuming that the board don't manufacture that skin, that it's probably harvested and most likely harvested from his crewmates.

1:49 When she's giving him that sensation of touch, Like that's that is so disturbing. Yeah, what are our thoughts on that that whole relations Yeah, I. Did not think of that at all. Now I'm creep a little bit. Try to sell it and kind of save it and say like, well maybe they have some kind of like flesh processor if they have to replace. No, they wouldn't do that. They would just take whatever bits they cobble together. So yeah, there's a lot between the borg, i mean, the queen and data where you know, you're right, she's using that because she's basically want to replace Locutus with him, and she's using that emotion thing against him, you know, getting not just the the the skin, but the pleasure, you know, the sexual pleasure too, because she has that conversation with him and he goes through you know, talking about what he talked about what season two or three when he was talking about.

2:49 Four minutes seconds. Yeah, yeah, that was a comedy. It is, you know, but it leads up to you believe that she talk has talked Data into turning. So when you get that scene where you know he's firing the torpedoes at Cochrane ship, you believe it's happening. And that leads up to one of my absolutely favorite scenes of this whole movie when they go right on past and she just turns Data. He goes, resistance is futile. Loved, loved that scene. Yeah, he just throws his four arm into that. Yep, just that case. It's such a highlight of the film too, because for like that those you're watching, those quantum torpedoes kind of drift over, and of course everyone in the Phoenix is like, oh, the Enterprise is just here to see us off.

3:42 You know, you have no idea whatsoever. And I was trying to see when I watched it last time if there was like any clue as to when Data may have kind of given tipped his hand that maybe. He was playing the queen. And I really honest, I was bought an hook line and Sinker even really looking for something in the story that maybe kind of gave you a little bit of a beat to that. And yeah, I didn't see it, No, I didn't either. Yeah, and I wonder if that was maybe off camera because there's so much of when he has the first craft on his forearm and she says, you know, treat it like a defective circuit, just rip it off, and he has a real struggle with that, and then it goes even further for him to have kind of a new swatch kind of.

4:34 On his face. I wonder if it's before that and he's kind of playing her before he steps up and does that. Big actually doesn't Ficard ask Data, you know if he was tempted, and Data comes back saying that it was like he was for like zero point four or five seven second or something like that. Right, And that's an eternity, it's an area. Yeah, And this is the I guess I know that we have. We see in generations him getting the emotionship and trying to kind of live with it. We see it manipulating him in dissent back in the episode when he's you know, says goodbye to Lore. This one has kind of that added layer of not only emotional manipulation but sexual manipulation and probably trying to get into what Data is still trying to figure out about what love is. There's a lot of layers to that, and I feel so bad for Data, Like I'm glad he finally gets to a good place with the emotionship because this poor guy's been waiting his whole life.

5:45 He has he has more control over now because he can turn off and on when he needs to. If you saw that, because Picard even tells him, turn off your emotionship, right, and he turns it off, and you know Picard makes that comment, there are sometimes I envy you Data, Yeah, you know, when already go into that fight. So so he definitely has a lot more control over. But you're right, it's a lot that he has to deal with. That's your shit. What are some of their favorite moments that come to mind for you? Chuck? Uh? You know, just I was just thinking about Zephyrn Cochran a little bit and wanted to talk a little bit about his character because I don't know if you've ever gone into one of these these cons and you meet an actor, sometimes the experience may be pleasant and sometimes it may not be anything like you expected. And I think Zephyrn Cochrane just he comes off, you know, he didn't want to be soone famous. He just honestly, he just wanted to drink and and and make money so that he could retire to a little island in this and there's a there's a great scene in there that just gave me a little bit of chills when when Riker and Zephyrm were in the cockpit of the Phoenix, and uh, Will says something like, don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make its own judgment. Like who said that. He goes, well, you did in about ten years, you know. So he has that, he has the experience of going to warp

7:16 he has the experience. This is post World War three, so you have, uh, you're you're under the. Potential getting attacked by the who was it? The was it the econ the coalition? Right, and so they're all in groups and and so Earth has not yet united. But the very first time that we have proof positive that we're not alone, Yeah, that changes a lot of things more everyone, Maybe even more so than the invention of warp drive. That was just the thing that that triggered it. It was really more of that first contact. Yeah movie Uh also too, I like that zephyrn Cochran name drop star trek. Oh, yeah, on the Astronauts on a star trek.

8:01 That's a star trek. Yeah, like a rakerd lined to JORDI, you told him about the statue. You guys do, I got to take a leak. What you guys do go to the bathroom in the twenty fourth century? Oh, I get it. Oh that's a good one. He was. So I thought, I thought, I thought. His character was was really well done because you know, we actually, you know, we've seen Zephyrn Pofferm in Metamorphosis from the original series, and you know, there's a there's a you know, not a lot of inconsistencies, but a few of course, just from the oh he came from Alpha centaury, you know, versus you know, he was of Earth and whatnot. But I think that the net thing is that at some point, you know, Zephyrn got to the end of his life, he just wanted to go out in space and die, and he ended up where he was in Metamorphosis with the companion who kept him alive for you know, one hundred and fifty years before Kirk and Spock right and saw them. But yeah, I thought I thought that uh, I think that was Glenn Corbett who played him in that one. Yeah, but but yeah, that was that was a I thought having Zephron Cochrane in this movie was was great.

9:24 And one of my what ifs is what if Zephyrn. Didn't come back from his little break in the woods, what would have happened? Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I've thought about that from time to time, like with with somebody from the Enterprise crew have to step in and pretend to be Zephyrom. Yeah, yeah, somebody had the launched. That rocket, right, Yeah, yeah, I think he was is written. He was written as a character and performed so well as kind of a bridge, I would say for new viewers, because if anybody up until this point, if anybody in the audience had thought, well, I'm not invested in the original series crew, I'm not really into Kirk and Spock and that whole thing, this technically gives somebody a little bit of a fresh start.

10:16 To step into it. And you have Cochrane's character being somebody who listens to Steppenwolf, that just has to pee from time to time, that doesn't want to be great, just wants to do his job right. So it seems like that's kind of a relatable character for the audience to come into, especially somebody who's fresh, and say like, oh, I kind of see what this is all about. Right. Just the fact of using magic carpet rad was. A stunner because you haven't heard this kind of music in a Star Trek film. So when you finally get it, you're like, whoa. You're kind of taken out of it for a moment, and then you realize, oh, this is really cool that they've done this. You know, Scott, you hit on something. But I think makes this film great, and it's accessibility to the new fan or maybe the spouse who's going with.

11:04 Her husband on opening night. The fans, you don't really have to know a lot, right, I mean, you understand that. The border like zombies. If you will, you know, and you see that that we have this mission that we have to do. We we They relate more through Zephyrm and through Lily, maybe much. More so than through our other characters. They may not get all of the details, but you know, the movie is extremely approachable. And if I was to show any Star Trek movie to someone. Who had none, it's no experience with it. I would probably start with this film before I started them, like on Wrath of Khan or something, you know, just something that's just very easy, very exciting to get into, and then show them some of the other.

11:55 Films as well. Yeah, for sure. It's it's interesting when you talk about like where to start somebody on Star Trek, my inclination is to say First Contact and or Wrath of Con But when I'm thinking about kind of showing it to kids the first time, they both have very interestingly kind of shocking, gross up moments, right when you're seeing everybody assimilated and having the implants kind of put on them when you see the earworm thing crawl out and Wrath of Con. I know this is the first PG thirteen Trek film yep. But then again, it's also very exciting. Like if you're showing it to kids, yeah, you got to kind of you know, be choiceful about that.

12:41 But it's also something it's very very interesting. From like that excitement, let angle that it's not going to be so steeped in science as somebody. Might think it is. Right, what about your favorite moments from you? I'm curious, Well, you know, I just I love the uh the simplicity of the opening Crow's yes, you know, right from the beginning of this film, you know, it's just the title and Jerry Goldsmith's beautiful theme. You know, it was kind of a. Surprise when when the first film first came out and when I first saw it that you know, we were all expecting the main theme, the Star Trek theme from Goldsmith, and then we didn't get that until the very end of the film. Uh, you know, we got this this great brand new theme that he wrote, which you know you remembered that theme, you know, Yeah, you came out of it.

13:28 It was. It was so good, it was so memorable. It just just goes to show why you know, Jerry Goldsmith was one of Hollywood's best composers at the time and most wanted too. And it's really sadly missed today. Yeah. Like I told you guys when I texted you today, I was humming that theme all night last night, and I woke up humming it this morning because. It is it's so memorable and it sticks with you. Yeah. And I also I've got one of my favorite bits is it's Alice Kriigsborg Queen. I just love her character because she's so good in this and she plays off Prince Spiner so well. You know, it's it's a fantastic design, an incredible performance.

14:08 You know. I think that's what kiss me off about the Voyager finale so much, is because we got to return and then we hardly ever see her. You know, I'm still fumi about that twenty years later, you know, because she she's so good in this film, and you know, every scene she's in, I just I perk up. I just love watching it. I was gonna say one of the stories that I had heard about Alice Krieg was that she had electromagnic hypersensitive hyptivity, so that, you know, any prolonged exposure to say, television, would cause her a great discomfort. And so when she started this film, she she she was aware culturally of what Star Trek was, but she had not seen Star Trek.

14:52 And it was definitely due to Brent Spiner who really helped usher her in and help her to navigate the things that she needed to know about her character and where she fit in the universe. In there, so she spent a lot. It was a very uncomfortable part for her to play too. That costume she's wearing was so tight and it was made out of rubber. She was blistering underneath it. But according to the other members of the cast, she never complained, Uh you know that never complained about it. You know, the contacts were giving were miserable for her to wear, but she never complained about it. And you know, it's amazing, considering how much uncomfortable she was during the film that she put out this incredible performance.

15:37 You can't notice that she does such a good job. And wasn't that the best entrance ever? Oh yeah, all the. Wires with that's the spine, Yes, yeah, yeah, a phenomenal introduction. Yes, Dave, what about you? Any other favorite parts? I have talked about many of mine, but I think one of the things that I love about this movie is the overall tone. One of the things that I feel like sometimes misses from Star Trek is the military aspect. I know it's not a military organization, Starfleet is not that, but sometimes I want that in a Starfleet film, and you get that in this one. You know, where they're all getting all the rifles out, and you know they're getting ready to have to go down the hallways to attack the Borg and fight, but not just that.

16:23 Is this the whole dark. Tone of this film good that comes along with it. You have to have that obviously because it's the borg and what you're dealing with. So I think that overall tone is probably my favorite piece of all of this. You know, I talked. About Lily in her conversation with the Card being at their data, you know, with the Queen, you know, surprising us that you know he was fooling her the whole time. You know, there's just a bunch of stuff in this film that's so good. The Pacne, everything, the music. That's why this is one of my favorite films, especially the Next Generation Crew. This is my favorite film of them, but just all of it who came together so well that it's tough to pick one thing, you.

17:06 Know, Yeah, it is. It's interesting to talk about, like the the action sequences, and I guess not necessarily the militaristic aspect of it so much, but the combat aspect of it. Yeah, it's interesting that they come to it in some of those fight scenes from a bit more of a scientific angle, like when the Guard has to kind of like kick off with the magnetic boots and flies safely overhead, right, Yeah, using their intelligence to kind of get around some situations. That one of the more hyper violent scenes in the Holideck where he mows down some borg with a Tommy gun.

17:52 Obviously there's a lot of rage that he's kind of getting out there. But I wonder if he's also making a very specifically con just decision to use something like bullets on a board because he knows the kind of tech that he has to get out of their system. So if he had put himself in more of a futuristic setting where it's more of an energy based weapon, he may have burned that out, blown that out, whatever, aside from you know, throwing the board off because they're not expecting niked the nose. But nobody's expecting naked the nose. Nobody. Well, now that we've talked about what was, let's talk about what if there's some other directions they could have gone in the past with this movie. We've already talked about some some other directors. We've talked a little bit about Seph from Conchrane and the amazing choice to use James Cromwell. I'm very glad that they chose James instead of another person that had been at least considered Tom Hanks.

18:57 I remember that. I'm that boy that goes back. I do remember them considering him. Yeah, he was offered, wouldn't he? Yes? He was. Yeah. So I believe Tom can do a lot. I don't know that he would have been right for this because I feel like it would have been so much attention on Tom. Would you agree with that. Yeah, I would agree, definitely. Yes, James Carima was the perfect role actor for this, There's no doubt. I want to talk about the early drafts of this film because they're actually rather interesting, the what ifs we could have got compared to what we did get. You know, the first draft of this film was titled Star Trek Renaissance, and it's exactly what you think for the name. It had the Enterprise crew hunting down the Borg in fifteenth century Italy. It had battles with sword fights alongside the use of the phaser and data became Leonardo da Vinci's apprentice, you know.

19:59 That interest. But it was dropped because, well, Ronald Moore thought that it would be a little too campy, maybe over the top, far too expensive to actually be able to do. And I guess Patrick Stewart. He refused to wear tights, so that's that's was dropped. And then the second draft their second idea, which was called Star Trek Resurrection. This was in the This was closer to what we got, but twas the mid twenty first century Montana, you know, just like the humans are recovering from World War three, but the Borg attack Cochrane's lab and they leave Zephram Cochrane comatose and forces Picard to assume his place to continue the warp test and restore the history. This is what he brought up earlier because in this draft, Picard had no contact with the with the board because he's busy on Earth taking Cochrane's place. And then there was also this big love story with a photographer, a news reporter named Ruby and Riker was on the Enterprise fighting the Borg.

21:06 And then they also was They threw about the ideas of putting Q in this film. M But you know, it's it's interesting to think about what could have been, especially the Italy one. But I'm so glad they didn't go with these scripts. Oh yeah, we would have a different conversation right now if. It's definitely different. Well, Chuck, when you talk about accessibility, you're not going to get that. If you toss in that much of a divergent time travel with Q, it'd have been like, I'm going to go get popcorn. I don't don't know what those movie is about. It would have been too much. You know, you have the Borg, but to throw Q into the storyline, too much, too much going on.

21:49 Yeah, Wayne, didn't they even consider the American Civil War? Yes, they did. It was briefly. I'm not sure if it went to draft, but they were talking about that, and you know, I guess time travel was always at the beginning of their their thoughts with this. Ye, which still I'm glad that they went with what they did. Oh yeah, obviously they made the right decision. Would have been interesting, though. I would love to well, we did actually see a little bit of Star Trek in the Civil War and Voyager. But yeah, I don't know. I think no, no, I wouldn't. Want to say no no. I was trying to think about the Civil War and I was thinking about there's a great YouTube series called Star Trek Continues where they actually had an episode that.

22:32 Took place in the Civil War. I forgot about that. Oh yeah, it was it was. It was really good. But just in terms of what we got with Star Trek First Contact, the the other film that I kind of related to in my mind is the other time travel film, which was Star Trek four. And in Star Trek four, they spent a lot of time kind of explaining how they needed to go back in time. I liked that what we got here it was just we're chasing through this, We're chasing after the spear. It's gone through time. We got caught in this wake and it's kind of we're just going straight through. We don't have to go through and do the explanations or the weird dolls falling into the milky thing, whatever that is. But what I like in Star Trek four was that we got just such a great ensemble picture where everyone had a chance to do something. Everyone had a little bit of a moment to shine. It might not have been a large moment, but it was. It was a moment you got to learn something different about them, like you.

23:42 You learned more about. How Sulu was was brought up, where you came from. You got some of that and this something I'm not sure if I ever realized before. I didn't realize Beverly Crusher was a commander and until she started giving the destruct sequences. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't realize that. Yeah. So I enjoyed the fact that. They had a piece where everyone had a kind of a mission that they were that they were doing, And sometimes I think, why weren't they more concerned on the ground that they could not contact the ener.

24:23 We should be hearing something by now, right, Yeah, I know. Yeah, all right, Well, I tell you what we're just about at the end. We're gonna take one more quick break and when we come back, we will talk about who we might want to be in this movie. All right, we're back a lot of a lot of episodes where we talk about Star Trek. We come back to the score because it is such a unintended instrumental part of the series. Chuck, let's start off with the with you talking about the score of this movie, specifically Jerry go Smith and a few other contributors to this one. Yeah. Absolutely so.

25:05 Right from the very beginning, they had a budget line item for Jerry Goldsmith to be. They knew that they wanted him and they were all he was all on board. He had his four week window that he could come in and start writing out the pieces that he needed to. But the film that he was currently working on was called The Ghost in the Darkness and that got extended, and so his four week window changed the three weeks. And so he had offered up to say, hey, look, my son, Joel is a fine composer, and well, you know, they were paying for Goldsmith. They wanted Goldsmith. But the arrangement that they ultimately came up with is that that you know, out of the sixty eight minutes of music, Joel would write about a third of that, or about twenty minutes of that. And so if you look at the track listing of the score, the three tracks that Joel did was the loa Cutest Q after the main theme, retreat, and then the thirty nine point one degree Celsius.

26:14 He contributed into that. But also along with this, if you look at the credits, one of the orchestrators for the film was none other than Alexander Courage, and Alexander Courage wrote, of course, the original Star Trek theme. And so you might wonder what does an orchestrator do. Well, if you go on IMDb and you take a look at Jerry Goldsmith in nineteen ninety six, you'll see that he had six films coming out if you look in nineteen ninety seven, out six films coming out. If you look at he always had around six films that he was working on. And so if you think about that, that's enough time for him to come up with the themes and kind of ideas for how he know which instruments and whatnot that he wants to do this.

27:03 But taking those ideas and. Putting them onto sheet music and filling it out for an entire orchestra and getting it in front of them is just something that if he had to do that, he might not be able to do that in four weeks plus do all the creative aspects of what he's doing. And so Alexander Courage has been working with him for a long time on comps like The Blue Max Swarm, Star Trek, the motion picture Poulter Guy's Secret of Nim, just tons of movies. He also worked with John Williams quite a bit as well. So Alexander Courage it was great to you know, at the very beginning, you know, you hear his classic Star Trek theme kind of start off.

27:50 But in between each of the phrases of that little motif. You hear this motif that Jerry Goldsmith wrote for Star Trek five, the. Boom boom boom boom. You hear that when they're going through the Great Barrier. Uh. And so that's kind of this quest. You know, you're going on an adventure, and then it flows into that beautiful first contact theme that we hear all the way through, and then the last well, you know, we hear the Klingon theme. I think we'd already mentioned that, and of course we could hear the Star Trek March theme as well. But the board also got at least one theme, maybe two themes. The one that I hear a lot is like from a court progression. It's like a one five eight three minor third back down to the one.

28:40 So it's that bomb bomb bomb boom bomb. Sound that goes in. There's very ominous, and you first hear it with the cube, but then every now and then you would hear it in the background, especially when data was on the getting the new skin and everything on it. So we got a lot of new material for this that was just really really great for us who liked to collect the soundtracks. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Let me add that The CD of the score was released by JMP Crescendo on December second of that year of nineteen ninety six. It contained thirteen tracks and two of the licensed songs, both Ubi Dubi and Magic Carpet Ride was on there about thirty five minutes of Jerry's score and ten minutes of Joel's. But then later on they re released the score as a collector's edition in twenty twelve. It had the complete scores of nine minutes, twenty six tracks with three bonus tracks, and completely remastered by Bruce Bottnik. It's still available to purchase from Crescendo Records, and it is a fantastic score that'll stick with you.

29:51 If you don't own it in your collection, go get it. Well. When we started this, I actually made that purchase just a couple of weeks ago. I was like nineteen dollars. I mean, it is such a It's not like if you go to La La Land and you try to get the three disc motion picture, which is a little bit more expensive. I love that it's such a good is but it is. It's very affordable and it's a great one to have in your collection, especially but it doesn't have the ug. No, I can't dance the Ubi Doob. Now they'll put They'll put out the jukebox edition where it's nineteen tracks all Ubi do Do you have anything else you would have add about the score?

30:38 No, those two guys did a fantastic job. I mean right, yeah, I can't. I can't follow that. There's no way. But no, seriously, they again. I'll say what I said before, fantastic score. And it is my favorite score of all the Star Trek films because I will constantly hum it, and not the Star Trek theme. I'm humming the theme that. Jerry Goldsmith created for First Contact, and that says a lot right there. Yeah, I still can't shake Ubi Dooby. So it'll take me a couple of days. And but do you know when I listen, when I hear Magic Carpet right every now and then, what movie do I immediately go to? Earth Contact? Yeah? Definitely, Wayne another when it comes to Easter Eggs, you always you always know the ins and outs of the details that we miss.

31:25 What were some key streggs for you with this one? Oh? There were some good ones in this film. I want to start off by bringing up something that was brought up earlier. The teaser trailer, there's a shot of USS Voyager firing at a very unusual looking board cube in this trailer. I have no idea why it's there or why it was put together, but it's there. It's very obvious start. It's very obviously USS Voyager. But the trailer also contains an alternate version of the cards speech you know the line must be drawn here, and many different un used takes that it's very interesting to watch if you've seen the film. Also, to save money, many of the sets were cannibalized from other areas for this film.

32:12 The turbo lift came from what was built for Star Trek the motion picture. So since this film was shot between two seasons of Voyager, they used a lot of the Voyager sets. The sick Bay was repainted, you were used for Doctor Crusher's sick Bay. The cargo base set became the weapons locker, and the Enterprise Ease Observation Lounge is actually the Enterprise D's. They had completely overhauled it, redressed and repainted it, but it's the same set. Well. The village that was built to for Bozeman, Montana features a fifty two star American flag, which is absolutely identical to the one that was used in the next Generation episode The Royale. So there was some good continuity right there.

33:01 Sixteen new starship designs were created for this film. They were mostly seen during the board Cube Battle. Got the caure Cast class, the Saber class, steam Runner Class, the Norway Class plus long you get to see some of the older ships like the Nebula and the orth Oh. This is a good one, you know. The film opened the same day that Mark Leonard passed away. He was seventy two. Yeah, and it's no coincidence. The zephyrm cochrane mentions in the film the constellation Leo. He points it out, this is where Wolf three five nine is located. I thought that was an interesting connection. That is and for those of you who like very trivial trivia. According to the Stargates, the events of this film take place between the Deep Space nine fifth season episodes Blaze of Glory and Impoc Noor, and between the Voyagers third season episodes Real Life and Displaced, and then just ending here. See Playmates released a line of Star Trek first Contact action figures, but for some unknown reason they were out of scale from all the other figures, so you know, you couldn't really play with them.

34:13 I don't understand why they do. It was very frustrating, and Marvel Comics released a comic adaptation for the film and did a sequel to the film called Second Contact, which had the Enterprise crew meeting the X Men. Oh oh boy. Okay, it's a bit of a stretch, but all right, sure. My only bits of trivia. Was the reason why April fifth was picked as contact first contact day was it. Was Ronald moore Son's birthday. That's a nice touch. It is the Gravette Island doesn't actually exist. That was where they were supposed to rendezvous after they got out of the Enterprise. It was named after ron Moore's assistant, Jacques.

35:01 The gold Enterprise E that was in the display case up at the front was the model that was built by John Eves that he delivered over to ILM who actually then made the production model. This was the last time that from this film on the Enterprise was always after this film. The film was the digital CGI model they used on that. And just because I actually had to go and do this calculation, thirty nine point one degree celsius is about one hundred. And two degrees fahrenheit. So when Beverly Crusher said it's getting a little warm in here, it's getting warm, he was understating.

35:45 And let me add to two other ones. Production wrapped on this film one June second, nineteen ninety six, two days behind schedule, and that final scene that was shot was that brief flashback with Captain McCard wearing his old next Generation in a form when he was captive of the Borg. And then finally First Contact was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Makeup, but unfortunately loss to the Nutty Professor. I think it was a shame that Patrick Stewart was not nominated for Best Actor. At least he deserved it for this film. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's talk about another kind of kind of what if that's our own kind of of our own making. If you could be anyone in this film, who would it be?

36:29 And why I'm gonna go with the person who I said I think did the best job in this entire movie, and that's Alfred Woodard, who played Lily, her learning that there is a future and what it looks like, you know, getting to meet someone from there, and knowing that there is hope in a situation that they're living on on Earth, I think is eye opening. You know, if any one of us had that happened to us in a situation that these were in. Because it was what after World War three, so a lot of stuff has been destroyed, There are not a lot of good things going on. It doesn't look like you're gonna go any world. But when you find somebody coming from the future that shows you that hope and you get to experience a little bit of that, I think that is incredible. But the only thing I would have changed if I was Lily, I would have gone with them.

37:15 Yeah, he can you look at your computer banks and maybe it kind of look at the lottery numbers, just the. Ones that nobody really won. I can set up a place on Gravette Island. And yeah, absolutely, Chuck, what about you? Yeah, this one, this one I actually really had to think about. And I was really glad to get this question ahead of time, because I think in the end I would. I'm a big Jordan LaForge fan, and the fact that his character grows, I mean, you know, he gets the new implants and he loses the visor and we get to see LeVar Burton.

37:58 Uh. And and the fact that he gets to go he's an engineer, He's already met Montgomery Scott and now he gets to meet Zephyron Cochran, I mean wow. And not only that he gets to say I went to an elementary school. That was named after you, and. The first in Starfleet Academy. The first book that we read on warp on Warp Drive, chapter one is called Zephyron Cochrane. Your's my schematics for the intermix? Did I get this right? Yes? Yeah, you got it right. But as much as I would want to be Jordi LaForge.

38:39 I know that I tend to fan boy a lot when I get up around actors and stuff, and I usually kind of clam up and just become very you know here signed this, YadA YadA, I would be more like Reg. I would just be nerding out, like can I shake your hand? So I'm either Jordy or I'm redg just depending on. The day its choices. I think I'd want to look up the guy who invented transparent aluminum and just going to see maybe what happened. Yeah, Wayne, what about you? With your choice? I think I would be zeph from Cochrane only because he's at the beginning of it all. You know, they're coming out of that war and he's changing the world, the whole universe for the people of Earth. He's to be the first human to travel faster than light and then get to see that Enterprise you know, in flight, and then have your name remembered for hundreds of years, you know. Plus he gets moral mortalized in that was that the ride the Phoenix attraction at the Historic ar Guy can't beat that. But just just his time during in this film, because I don't care much for his final fate seeing all those years on that asteroid with that so it was that floating shiny cloud.

39:55 Now I don't I don't like that part of it. Just just this park, Yeah, just the shiny parts. Yeah, yeah, Dave, I'm aligned with you. I think Lily is my choice. Not only does she get to explore the Enterprise during a Poorg invasion and come through unscathed, so credit to her for that, but I would I like to think that she's likely one of the major ambassadors to the Vulcan visitors because before the Enterprise crew shows up, she seems to be kind of keeping Cochrane kind of on task and helping him through some of his issues. She's largely responsible for, you know, the outcome of this movie. Considering that she stands up to Picard in a key moment and helps him get through that in an important way.

40:40 I think she probably has a major part in history that I'd be interested to learn a little bit more about. Absolutely I would too. Yep, Well, guys, we're gonna wrap it up. Chuck, I want to thank you for joining us on this when you've been an incredible guest, and if you're ever interested in coming back, we would love to have you back. Definitely, Yes, please, thank you guys. Y'all were great. Y'all made it easy and I just I enjoy talking track. So this is a lot of fun. Good. Yeah, welcome to have your time. And Dave and Wayne thank you as always. You you bring your your A game with this, so I always appreciate that. Last I want to thank it, and last I want to thank our listeners as always. Healing Frequencies are always open for you to share your thoughts and your questions on Facebook, Instagram, and your favorite favorite social channels. You can always email us at a Film by Podcast at gmail dot com. You can find us online at a film by podcast dot com, and if you're looking for exclusive content and swag, send some Latinum our way through Patreon.

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