Aug. 7, 2024

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek Generations

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek Generations
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Season 5Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and more. On this episode, we welcome Picard the Next Generation crew to the big screen with "Star Trek Generations."

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation,

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set the Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast

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which focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of

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Trek by covering television, animation, movies, directors, and much more.

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Plotting the course as always as your core Trek crew,

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I'm David.

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Burns, I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne Whiteen.

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Well, gentlemen, I know we discussed seven seasons of Star

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Trek the Next Generation, so now it is time to

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move to the big screen with our favorite crew. Just

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as they made the leap, so are we, And of

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course that means we are discussing Star Trek Generations. A

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film that came out in nineteen ninety four and was

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directed by David Carson, who I might add also directed

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Yesterday's enterprise Guys, Yeah.

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Guess, and the pilot of Deep Space nine. Fantastic job two.

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That's right. Yeah, I have to say I remember how

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ecstatic I was to see the crew on the big

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screen for the first time. What about you guys, Oh yeah, definitely.

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You couldn't help but look forward to it. It was

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just fantastic that we were getting them. We knew they

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were going to be moved to the screen, but tier

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we were getting you know, a combination, I mean, the

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Card and Kirk together. Wow. Yeahs for sure.

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And it was you know, it was more of an

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investment with Next generation for me than original series. Right. Yes,

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still to see the film's continuing on regardless, much less

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now we're launching into the next generation Earrow is fantastic.

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Yeah. Well, after that finale, we wanted more, I mean,

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you know, fortunately we didn't have to wait too long

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to get it.

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Yeah, thank goodness, unlike the original grew Yeah, so we'll

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take this any day, all right, Well, red alert everyone.

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Unlike when we discussed the series, this episode is going

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to be full of spoilers, So if you haven't seen

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the film, please go and watch it and then come

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back to join us. We will be waiting. I also

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would like to say it would be a good idea

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to go watch the Next Generation episode, season four episode

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titled Family. We did recommend that episode when we were

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recovering that season because it has some significant themes that

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are dealt with in this episode. I mean, it's in

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this film.

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All right.

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Well, let's break it down. Wayne, give us a summary

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on what this film is all about.

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In twenty two ninety three, Captain James T. Kirk, Montgomery Scott,

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and Papalchekhov have been invited to the inaugural launch of

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the USS Enterprise B. But what was supposed to be

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a quick trip around the planets on a shakedown cruise

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turns into a desperate rescue mission of two ships caught

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in a stellar phenomenon called the Ribbon. The Enterprise be

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becomes trapped in the ribbon, and Captain Kirk seemingly sacrifices

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himself to save both the ship and the refugees they

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are rescuing. Meanwhile, in twenty three seventy one, the crew

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of the USS Enterprise D answered the distress call of

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an l alurn named Soren, only to find themselves caught

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in a massive plot created by Soren to bring the

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Ribbon to the planet Veridian three so that he may

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pass through it to another dimension called the Nexus, where

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all wishes can come true. They must stop Soren, but

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to do so may cost Captain a Card and his

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crew everything, and only the house I'd help of a

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famous figure from the past can turn the tide in

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their favor and save the planet and its civilization from

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total destruction.

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Excellent. You know, we'll talk a little bit about the

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cast you already mentioned. You know that we're we get

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some of the original crew members joining us for this,

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and I know we'll get to discussion a little bit later.

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But you guys, I gotta tell you, I got chills

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when I got to see Kirk and Picard share the

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screen for the first time.

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Oh yes, yeah, all right. You know that's something we'd

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wanted for well ever since nineteen eighty seven's you know,

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we wanted to see them together, and we got a

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little you know bits, We got to see Spock, we

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got to see McCoy and Scotty, but we wanted Kirk.

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Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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I mean it would always seemed like there was kind

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of this comparative angle to the two, you know, is

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it Picard, is it Kirk? Which is better? And also

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other kind of stuff. So it was great to see

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them finally share the screen and get a little bit

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of equal play, equal footing there. But it was also

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interesting to find out that kind of bridge between generations.

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Like you said, a lot of we had already mentioned,

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like relics gave us that kind of connection, but there

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was there was always this one big one that was missing.

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Yeah, and that was a big one, no doubt about it.

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And it made sense that they saved it for the

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for the theater in my opinion.

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Yeah. Yeah, you'd kind of have to likevent that huge yeah.

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Oh yeah. And by this time, the next generation has

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proved itself, you stand on its own, you know, there

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was there was very little more of that that conflict

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that you mentioned, you know, the Kirk versus picards. So

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this was the right timing for it.

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Yeah, absolutely it was. So this film obviously is full

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of you know, our original cast members from the next generation

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as well. They all are back for the film. We

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also got some additions you talk about Soren who plays

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Malcolm Madell plays Soren, who does a wonderful job, fantastic

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job in this movie. We got the Dura sisters back,

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who we know they popped their ugly heads from time

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to time in this series. They come back for a

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final time I might which we'll get to that scene.

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I'm sure we will. Let's talk a little bit about

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the Enterprise B crew guys, surprise Captain Alan Ruk.

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Yeah, Captain Harriman, I was. I was very surprised to

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just see him. There are a lot of familiar faces

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that I saw kind of in the periphery. I'm sure

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we're talking about a minute. Uh, But he did a

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great job as Captain Harriman. He did, I thought, and

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I would love to have seen even if it's a

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kind of you know, extended lower fature series. Uh see

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some of the exploits of Captain Harriman.

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Yeah, it's funny when you see him on the bridge

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on how rusty he is and how new he is,

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and you like when he's making decisions and talking, you

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see you see Kirk really wanting to like jump in

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and do something, you know, and thankfully he finally does

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go to Kirk and say, hey, I need some help.

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Hear me, you know too. This is something I just

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read and I never realized that this was the angle,

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but the writers were actually leaning for his character to

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be more of like the the the rich kid that's

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been moved up to the ranks quickly through just because

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his family is influential, and that he's using this command

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as a way of getting into the politics, which I

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never thought of it that way, but when you when

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you hear that, it makes a little more sense.

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Yeah, that does. I wish it would came out a

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little bit more in the Yeah, I do too. I mean,

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I know they had a lot to deal with in

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this story, so I guess they couldn't beat around the

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bush too much. But I like that that's that makes

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more sense.

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Yeah, yeah, especially if he's one more student for diplomacy. Yeah,

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and first contact kind of situations, not necessarily, how do

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we get out of this crazy action sequence and stated

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lives of millions exactly?

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Yeah. And another interesting officer lieutenant here, and is Tim Russ.

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Are we going to see him at.

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Wayne Well, you know, he's he's popped up a couple

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of times in the next generation, but I think we'll

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see him just about two months later actually in Star

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Trek Voyager Lieutenant Tubac.

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Yeah. Absolutely. And then there's another science officer who's very recognizable, Scott, who.

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Is that that's alternate universe Tasha Yar Janette Goldstein.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I was. I don't know if we had mentioned it before,

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but it struck me as something new to learn that

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Janette Goldstein, who we all know and love, is Vazquez

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from Aliens that we obviously talked about in nineteen episodes. Absolutely,

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John Connor's Foster Mom and T two, among others, was

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originally considered for the role of Tasha Yar on TNG.

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I wouldn't hate seeing that, No, I mean either, I'm

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so glad that we got Denise Crosby.

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Yeah, oh definitely, yeah, yeah, and that that could be

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a what if you know exactly? No, I wouldn't mind

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have seen that, but yeah, I love Dennise Crosby and

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what she gave us, but it would have been neat

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to see what Jeanette would have brought to the string too,

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because she's an awesome actress.

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So all right, well, let's let's dive into the film. Guys.

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I know there's so much to talk about with this movie,

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and I know we're all just like boiling over here

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to start talking about it. The opening sequence, which I

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found quite interesting, Uh, the champagne bottle flipping end over

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end in space and you get obviously the credit role

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and stuff like that, as in a beautiful music by

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Dennis McCarthy, right, yes, yes, and you're wondering, why is

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this bottle flipping through the through space? What the hell

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is going on? And then when it hits the ship,

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you're like, ah, okay, makes perfect, said I thought it

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was a cool opening.

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It is, it is, and it's a last minute edition.

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That was not originally the opening for the film. They

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they had shot a very lengthy scene of Kirk doing

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like sky diving but from from orbit really yeah, and

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that and check off and Scott was on the ground

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when he got there, and they're they're complaining about Kirk

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being very reckless and and you know, wanting to end

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his life, you know, you know, not caring about you know,

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life or death at that point. It was it was

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a long scene and it was completely shot, but they

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decided it was a little bit too much for the

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opening of the film, and we got the bottle and

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I agree, I agree, I love the bottle opening.

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Yeah, I feel like that would have been a little

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bit too voyage.

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Home, yes, right, right? Or no?

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With the final Frontier.

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Thank you. Yeah, climbing the mountain exactly. I felt like

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this opening was a lot more. You know, Kirk is

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there with Chekhov and Scotty. He's willing to go through

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the ceremony of passing the baton, right, even though it's

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not the baton that we were kind of looking for yet,

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but it's him accepting that. And I think tonally for

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this as far as legacy, uh, it absolutely fits. And

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I mean you've got a great mix. I know that

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Scotty and Chekhov's roles were initially planned for cast members,

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but when you mentioned kind of Captain Harriman and his

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his abilities or his perceived ability these at the time

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that needed to be saved by Kirk.

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Uh.

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Scotty has that great line where he's like, is there

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somethroom with your chair? Yeah, Like you have to let

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him try to work this out in his way, because

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this is his crew, this is his ship, this is

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his first voyage. Let him try well.

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That that even leads to when you're talking about that, that

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even leads to when Captain Harriman was going to go

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do go, you know, down to the to that level

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and Kirk, he says you have you have the bridge,

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and then Kirk starts to sit down and he realizes, no, this.

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Is your ship.

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You're in command, and they switch they switched positions there,

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and then Kirk goes and does it, which we often

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know what that's going to lead to. But yeah, I

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mean that makes perfect sense right there on that scene too.

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I love that moment too. I mean, you know, Kirk

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of course he wants to be captain of the Enterprise,

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but he realizes it's not his ship. Yep. I love

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that moment.

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Yeah, I did too. So much happens in this beginning.

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these original crew members who are basically obviously at their

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retirement point and they're getting to see a new ship

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and new crew. But then they get shoved into this

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distress signal to go to help these ships. They have

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no choice, you know. At first, Hairman's like, you know,

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you know, get another ship to go do it, and

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that's when Kirk starts to go off, you know, like

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wait a minute, you got to do this, you know.

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Then of course they are forced into going to doing

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it because no one else can help. And then they

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go and do it, and there's just so much is

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going on here with this opening.

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Let me add too, You know, these captains should know

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that these shakedown cruises never go easy. We've seen that

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thing over and over again, or something always happens always.

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Yeah, let me come on. You should be ready for

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this now.

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But does it have like a standby shuttle that's just

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kind of ready, like we have all the stuff that

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should be installed.

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Just in case.

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Yeah. Absolutely, And you know it's funny because it's funny

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when everything goes crazy. The original crew members immediately jump

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into action when when they're basically asked to, you know,

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they go right into it. They don't miss a step,

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And I love how that happened in this film, and

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they did it that way. But we obviously get to

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the point where, you know, one of the ships blows

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up and the other one gets ready to blow up

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and they're able to beat some of them on board,

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and that's where we're introduced to Thorn. But the next

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person we're introduced right away, I thought was so cool

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how they did this. When you get to see Guynan,

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you're like, whoa, that's Gynan.

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Wi Pie Goldberg isn't credited on this movie, and I'm like,

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considering how important she is the story of the franchise,

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that was surprising.

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She asked not to be credited. She didn't want because

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she's an Academy Award winner. She didn't want her name

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to be to take away from the Next Generation cast

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members because that would require her to be to get

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top billing.

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It good for her for doing that, It's fantastic. I

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did not know that.

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But yeah, it is a great connective threat and it

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kind of it It seeds the idea of mystery and yes,

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which guided always does, Like I was always hungry for,

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like more about kind of what can we learn. This

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definitely sets that up. Yeah.

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Well, and you're even to the point, I mean, we

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don't get the original crew to what eighteen twenty minutes

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into this film.

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The point of the film that you realize, oh, wait

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a minute, this is the next Generation movie, you know

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when the introduced Guidan. But it also gets more of

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that mystique about her, you know, being like, oh, we're

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gonna get to learn some more about her here, and.

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We know she's lived for a long time. We saw

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her back in the nineteenth century.

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Yeah, we sure did, but you know, and then of

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course the bad things happen. The ship gets struck by

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the uh that ribbon and we lose Kirk, which was,

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you know, pretty powerful moment for some of our crew

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members here. And then you know you're at the point

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now you're like, oh, crap is an audience. You're like, man,

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what an opening. And then we get to see our

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crew of the nixt generation on an old Yeah.

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Well, particularly, I think James Dehan did a great job

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with Scotty's delivery there. Oh yes, his his reaction Kirk

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please respond reminded me a lot of wrath of Cohn. Yeah,

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I've seen like acknowledging Spot is in trouble, very poignant

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and very well done. I think the way that they

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know there were ideas about continuing that a little bit more.

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I think ending it right where they did was perfect.

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It was and let's let's let's not forget Sulu's daughter.

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Oh yeah, Demora.

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Yeah, I thought that was perfect casting for this and

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a perfect place to put her as a surprise the

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Kurk When when did he have to have time to

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make a family.

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Well, it feeds into that kind of legacy and family theme, right,

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And it didn't hit me until recently watching this how

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much there are kind of parallels between Kirk's life picards

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the rest of the cruise lives. Yeah, in terms of

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you know, when do they get to live a life,

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when do they get to have a family. Very interesting

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kind of threads there, and interesting acknowledgement from Kirk of that,

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and Chekhov saying like, well, he has a life outside

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the ship, what are you going to do?

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Right? Well, and as he said, we move on to

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the old Enterprise obviously when we're on the holiday and

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it's it's a big event because they are promoting Wharf finally, finally, yes,

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he goes to lieutenant commander.

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Is that correct, that's right, Yeah, he.

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Gets promoted lieutenant commander in a unique way of doing it.

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What I like about this scene here is it gives

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you a reintroduction to the crew, but it also gives

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you little tidbits of some of the characters that maybe

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if you've not watched the series, this kind of gives

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you some information about them really quick, specifically data because

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he comes up pretty quick. They realize that he's still

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struggling that he doesn't have emotions, and he's trying to

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figure out why it's funny that they removed the plank

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and war fell into the water. Okay, and then he

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turns around, obviously and pushes pressure.

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I was funny way else I thought it was hysterical.

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But you know, I like how they did that. Just

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in case you got some audience members who don't know

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the Next Generation crew, you're going to get a little

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bit of information about these characters.

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Well, it leads into a great sequence with Jordy and Data. Yeah,

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where he says I'm I'm clearly not going to be

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able to go any further. It does seem a little

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odd for him to make such a big decision based

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on his joke of pushing crushing into the water as

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not hitting. It's kind of like, so I can be

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better at comedy. But at the same time, it seemed like,

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if we're going to go into a Next Generation movie,

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and this is something that Data has been pursuing his

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entire life, let's finally give it to him. Let's finally

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start that thread here so you can use it to

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greater effect in other movies. Now, I am curious about

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our opinion of data's emotion scenes because they are quite different.

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Ye, So you know, I guess we can go ahead

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and discuss a little bit of that because I found

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his humor hysterical. I felt that this is Brent Spiner

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giving him a chance to shine once again, as he

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has done through the entire seven years of Star Trek

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to the Nation generation. This gave him some opportunity to

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give us some comedic relief, and I felt he nailed

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it because every time it happens, I bust out laughing. Now,

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I will say his his continuing laughing and laughing and

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laughing on the space station. I got a little bit annoying.

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That was creepy.

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Actually, the point when it becomes creepy and it's kind

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of like he is out of control of these emotions

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and that kind of continueing too, this desperate need of

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you know, he's not going to be able to control it.

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What it really matters, right, right?

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Absolutely, Well, let's take a short little break at guys,

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and then we'll come back. We'll continue our discussion of

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this film. All right, everybody, welcome back to our discussion

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here Phaser set this done on Star Trek Generations. We

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were discussing a little bit about Brent Speyer and his

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humor that he was bringing with the emotion chip that

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he had put in. But before we get further into that,

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because again there's some very good comedic moments that I

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want to discuss, let's back up a little bit and

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let's talk about the message Captain Piccard got where he

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was on the Old Enterprise on the holiday where you

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completely and immediately see his change of emotion, which again

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goes to the power of Patrick Stewart's performing.

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On a dime.

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His emotions have completely change just by looking at his eyes.

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Incredible performance here. But and this goes to the episode

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we were talking about from season four called Family. We

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learned that his brother and his nephew are killed in

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a fire, and he really doesn't want to talk about

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He really wants to keep it internalized. He doesn't want

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to give that to his crew, his you know, the emotions,

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the pain that he's feeling. I kind of get that.

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And then when he's in his in I guess it

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was a conference room, it wasn't the ready room. When

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Troy shows up, she kind of gets on him, you know,

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you know, she says, down, hey, what's going on? You know?

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And he's still kind of hiding it from her, and

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then he says he kind of tells her what's happening.

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He goes, it's all right, it's all right, and she

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has that line, No, it's not alright, you know. And

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then as this breakdown and just goes on, you're getting

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to see Picard, the human side of Picard coming out,

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which we have seen before and we've discussed it before,

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and how good Patrick Stewart is with this he proves

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to hear too.

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Guys. Yeah, this, what you just described is probably I

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would say my favorite scene of the film because it's

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such a powerful scene and for exactly those reasons. Patrick

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Stewart is phenomenal. He's phenomenal in everything, but here he

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just really shows the emotion that he can bring to

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Captain Picard, to star Trek. It's just an incredible scene.

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Yeah, And his character always had a great sense of family,

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even if he's somebody who didn't necessarily like children right

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or was uncomfortable around children as part of the growth

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that his character went through. And I think we talked

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about a lot of those instances and starter treks, but

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it's I love the fact that you brought up a

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family because that particular episode didn't hit too well when

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I first saw it, and in a similar fashion, hearing

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that news didn't hit as well because I didn't make

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that connection. When you see those two and you see

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how close he came to making a different choice, not

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going back to the Enterprise, staying on Earth where he

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might have had at least a chance of being there,

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if not, to save his family members, to be there

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for his surviving family members and help them through. It's

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a it's a very difficult scene and one that I

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think provides kind of a good bridge into even Picard

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season three. Yes, it's it's not that he didn't it's

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not that he never wanted family. It's that he never

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knew how it would fit into his life exactly.

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And it really it really sets up what's coming a

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little bit later into this film. That's something he has

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to deal with briefly. But it is a really powerful

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moment for this character. We've seen many powerful moments with

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this character. But then we also had the scene before

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this too, where you know, Riker was trying to get

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out of him. You know, he goes into his right

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rooms to find out what's going on. You know, I mean,

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he cares, you know, but then you know, the card

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just blows up to him a little bit, and obviously

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Riker respects it and doesn't robe any further and just

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walk away. Counselor Troy could get away with that a

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little bit more, that's your job. Yeah, not not not

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the first number one, he couldn't do it get out,

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but no, I mean, you know, that was a very

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powerful moment in the movie, for sure, Wayne, I agree

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with you. It's one of my favorite scenes of this

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entire movie. And I'm sure we'll get We'll get around

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to that our likes a little bit later. But again,

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you know, they make it to the space station, and

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you know, we with the get injuiced to Thorn and

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we find out kind of what's going on with this

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dude and get to get the story starts getting a

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little bit more interesting here, right, We want to know

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what he's up to, and then more of Data's antics

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when he goes back onto the space station. That's where

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the creepy laugh comes in.

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Yeah.

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But one of the things that I found hysterical was

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open for me.

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I'm glad you said that. I love that. That makes

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me crack up every time me.

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Too, I must have a magnetic personality.

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And so I also love Jordani's dead pan take on it, right,

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because that's the other half of the comedy delivery. It's

473
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:15.319
kind of like somebody that's being zany and over the

474
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.960
top and way too wacky. It's like, you know, working

475
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.240
on the bridge with carrot top, right, and at what

476
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:27.079
point do you turn off? Yeah, it's it's it's done

477
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:31.799
really well. And I think considering Malcolm mcdell and sore

478
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.279
and when we start to see more of his character

479
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.559
from the you know, diplomatic side, when he's talking to Picard,

480
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.279
to the sinister side, we start to see unfold in

481
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:46.359
that scene. I think it's interesting to note for viewers

482
00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.960
and fans of Deep Space nine to know that Malcolm

483
00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.759
mcdell is an maternal uncle of Alexander Sidig, who played

484
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:59.400
Doctor Julian on DS nine. Now I didn't know that

485
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.599
before why watching this, but I couldn't unsee the similarities

486
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.839
and both kind of his you know, his facial features,

487
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:10.039
but also kind of some of his lines of delivery. Yeah,

488
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.680
the similarity is definitely there. So I just I would

489
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.359
I'd recommend that to anybody who's a fan of DS

490
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.680
nine just go into this watching this knowing that.

491
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.920
Yeah, and I know Patrick Stewart Malcolm Madell were good

492
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:24.960
friends because I think, what Patrick Stewart, who got Malcolm

493
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:26.400
Adot McDow this job? Right?

494
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.200
Yeah, that's right? Yeah? Yeah? Which good choice?

495
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:30.200
Good choice for sure?

496
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:30.759
Yes.

497
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.440
And then another another deep cut that I found hysterical

498
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:36.720
here was the fact that when out of nowhere, Data

499
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:38.119
just starts laughing and he's.

500
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.160
Like, I get it, And then you're like, what are

501
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.839
they talking about? He goes all the way back to

502
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.839
your countra four point from the joke.

503
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:51.160
Yeah, well, it kind of reminds me of I think

504
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.200
we covered in one of the episodes. There's an episode

505
00:25:53.240 --> 00:26:00.160
with Q where he uh temporarily grants Data emotion his

506
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.319
cube powers and he starts laughing and you know, laughing

507
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.559
in control of it and stops and just right back

508
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:05.920
to work.

509
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:09.799
Yeah, let's let's let's talk about something for a moment here.

510
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:14.319
How many times has Data caused problems on the ship?

511
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.599
Are you really going to take a chance here again

512
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.920
by giving him the emotion ship? I mean, let's think

513
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:23.279
this through, honestly.

514
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.599
Well, I mean it's clear that they went to some

515
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.680
kind of trouble because they went from turning it into

516
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.960
a you know, a flattened pip when we first saw

517
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.880
doctor Sue hold it to something that looked like a

518
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:44.720
boar's modulated checks mix. It was huge, right, So it's

519
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.920
kind of like considering then, I mean, I'm glad in

520
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.000
first contact he eventually is able to like cock his

521
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.640
head and turn it off. Yeah, it seems like that

522
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.279
should be in like day one of the manual, like

523
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.640
let's turn this off just in case there's like some

524
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.559
lore type ten. Then he's in there and you have

525
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:05.200
to be an absolute jerk with your emotions.

526
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:06.720
Yeah, no kidding.

527
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.640
All right, Well, let's let's visit mister tricorder here and

528
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.920
make it so let's uh, let's talk about the Durrow

529
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.799
sisters who make their appearance here. Yeah, so we we

530
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.519
know this story has been going on for a while,

531
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.519
and it's nice to have them back here because we

532
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.839
get some closure with them here. And I love the

533
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:31.160
fact that like Soren basically does something to Jeordie's visor

534
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:35.759
so that they can see what's going on and as

535
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:37.920
he's walking around their ship, because you're wondering, why are

536
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.200
they watching this? What are they? What are they going

537
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.599
to gain from this. The funny part was when they

538
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:43.599
see Prussure pop up.

539
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.000
Yeah yeah, or when they say I didn't know an

540
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.920
engineer and spend so much time avoiding engineering. I mean, well,

541
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.960
you guys did put like nanoprobes in his chest and stuff,

542
00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.559
so right, give them a little bit. But yeah, March

543
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.359
and Gwyneth Walsh as Larsa and Batoor, they were, They've

544
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.200
always been amazing. It's great to see them here. It

545
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.720
does seem kind of interesting for the original series watcher

546
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.599
who never bothered with the generation, wouldn't necessarily knew who

547
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:20.839
they are, but that were there were having a Klaon

548
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.680
villain in a world where the Clingons aren't the villains anymore.

549
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:25.319
Mm hm.

550
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.839
I one, that was kind of an intentional bridge to say,

551
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.200
we're going to introduce with the original cast, to say

552
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.640
the Cleons or villains again, but it's more like renegade Clayons,

553
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:38.759
which we've seen before.

554
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.519
Absolutely. Yeah, no, that's a good touch. That's a good,

555
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:42.799
good point to bring.

556
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.519
Up, Scott. I like that, I'm sure, And it's two

557
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.400
characters and we never really got to see too much

558
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.519
of them anyways in the series. I mean, we had

559
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.960
the two parter and then they came back like briefly

560
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.359
in another episode. And before this movie, the last time

561
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.000
we'd seen him was on the second episode of Deep

562
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.079
Space nine, and even then it wasn't very long. So

563
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:02.319
I was glad to see him in here because I

564
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.079
love the carrot that they were. They were, well, they're funny,

565
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:09.240
but you know, but they're they're great characters and and

566
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:11.559
it's it's a pity that this is their final appearance.

567
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.920
Yeah, but I liked what they use Jordie's visor for

568
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.119
to get what the shields.

569
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:20.319
What was the shield frequency?

570
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:22.799
The shield frequency? Yeah, to get that so they can

571
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.200
shoot right through the shields, and then you get this

572
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.079
battle between the two of them, and then the course

573
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.359
of the enterprise comes up with you know, let's try

574
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.200
to uh access their cloaking device and make them cloak,

575
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.000
and then you have we have like hardly any time

576
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.640
to be ready to fire at them as soon as

577
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:39.039
they do that.

578
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:40.960
Well, here, let me let me also mention this real

579
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.319
quick sister to your opinion. You know, we we we

580
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.160
see next film in First Contact. You know, Jordie's has

581
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.720
gotten rid of his visor. Do you think that maybe

582
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.559
this incident could be one of the reasons, one of

583
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.680
the main reasons. I mean, after all, his visor put

584
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:59.240
the ship in danger. Yeah, this could be one of

585
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:00.880
the reasons why he wanted to get rid of it.

586
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:02.599
It could be well, and this is this is the

587
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.000
last time for that advisor, isn't it.

588
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:05.160
Yeah? Yes, it is. Yeah.

589
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.599
Yeah, And it's not the first time that it was

590
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.240
used against him, is that right? Because of the episode

591
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:14.279
that we care that we covered, there was a carrier

592
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.480
wave that was setting him subliminal signals.

593
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.200
That's right. I forgot about that one.

594
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.440
Yeah, it's gonna make him a you know, Mainsurian candidate

595
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.440
kind of thing again. So yeah, I think I feel

596
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.599
like that was probably a relief to LeVar Burden to say,

597
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.440
have to wear this anymore. Right, You're gonna have to

598
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.240
have contacts that have their own discomfort.

599
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.559
But at least there, at least we can see his

600
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.039
eyes now finally.

601
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.440
Exactly something else in that whole sequence that I couldn't

602
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:48.039
unsee because I'll just jump to the point. Brian Thompson.

603
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.319
Brian Thompson as one of the cleon helmsman mm hmm.

604
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.960
We had seen him before in as office second officer

605
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.160
Clagg when Riker was serving on cleon show.

606
00:30:59.240 --> 00:30:59.720
Yeah he was.

607
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:01.920
I saw him in the background and I was like,

608
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.720
is that Clagg He's still around.

609
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:09.000
And he's site. We talked about him in.

610
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.279
Eighty six is Cobra is the night Slasher? But he

611
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.000
has a very distinctive look, and it was it was

612
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:13.960
just great to see him again.

613
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.920
Yeah. Absolutely. What Another funny moment I'm gonna bring up

614
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.960
that happened before this battle is when Data is taking

615
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.119
on the bridge and asked him to look for life

616
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.519
forms and okay, so bear with me here. So when

617
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:44.039
he sits down and started singing light booms.

618
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.160
You, I'm telling you, I laughed so hard. I still

619
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.160
laughed so hard at that bitch. Even the reaction of

620
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.279
the bridge. You were looking at him like what.

621
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:49.920
Yeah. Yeah.

622
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.200
My favorite part of that was the little Canasta snap

623
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:53.559
that he does at the end where he's like.

624
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:59.039
Oh, oh good, that is great.

625
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.440
It was he had so many moments. And then right

626
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.599
after they blow up the Klingon ship, you know, everyone's

627
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.920
got that like like looking like wow, we just did it,

628
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.559
and it goes on a Data and he just like yes, right,

629
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.880
But then as you know, I mean it, it hurts

630
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:18.720
the ship Man. We get to lose Enterprise D here,

631
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.319
which was tough to see because come on, guys, Enterprise

632
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.200
too is a main character, it really is. And to

633
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.440
get to see it get destroyed here, which is another

634
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.839
one of my favorite scenes in this movie, that whole

635
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:36.640
crashing sequence as the saucer section is just plowing into

636
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.359
that ground. That was amazing.

637
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.319
Man, that was incredible. And we never seen anything like

638
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:43.880
that in Star Trek before.

639
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:48.480
I was effects and just getting to see the people

640
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:51.599
being thrown around and just you know, the chaos like

641
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.559
you see it. Just that was amazing stuff, man, it

642
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.839
really was. And it just speaks to how much detail,

643
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.319
how much money they were putting into this film. They

644
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.720
wanted to look great and they proved it right there.

645
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.319
And I think that was even a model on it.

646
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.160
That wasn't any FIGI.

647
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.240
Now that that was all model. Yeah, because well, you know,

648
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:12.720
most of this TV series was done by a company

649
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.720
named amah G, with the exception of the first season

650
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.559
that was done by ILM. Well, this film was back

651
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.039
again to ILM and they were able to pull out

652
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.720
their their six foot model that they built for the

653
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:26.839
fact was that's what we saw, that six foot model

654
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.599
because it's the only model that was ever built out

655
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.240
could separate. But for the ground they had to build

656
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.240
a brain new sauce. They put a twelve inch or

657
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.440
twelve inch twelve foot twelve foot saucer section and that

658
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.519
was all practical effects, and.

659
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:42.279
It looked so good.

660
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:43.400
It does looks great.

661
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.759
That's a perfect choice to do that, to go with

662
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.400
practical effects, because there is something too, I feel like

663
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.720
in the latest watching of this, it gives you a

664
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:58.319
sense of heft and scale yep to this event happening,

665
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.680
and how massive the saw section really is. How is

666
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.319
we obviously had kind of the abstract concept of space,

667
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.280
but in the scale when it's plowing through like a tornado,

668
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.920
ripping through miles of a landscape. Hopefully it didn't take

669
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.679
away the you know, run Hopefully it didn't run over

670
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.719
the entire pre industrial civilization that was emergency of the planet.

671
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:25.639
But I'm sorry one guy coming back with vines in

672
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.760
his hands, like what.

673
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.480
On the flip side too? Talking about visual effects, this

674
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.559
is the first time we've ever seen the enterprise d

675
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.920
as CGI because that was something they never could do

676
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.280
in the TV series you know, ILM. There's the shots

677
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.840
in the in space of it warping and everything else. Cgi.

678
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.840
Yeah, speaking speaking of Firth, how did you guys feel

679
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:45.480
about data is?

680
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.480
Oh shit, I remember, you know, I remember when I

681
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.679
was sitting and watching this in the theater. This is

682
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.360
the moment everybody laughed. They loved that. That that was funny.

683
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.920
I thought it was funny. I loved it too, to

684
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:01.039
great reaching.

685
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.239
It gave me nineteen eighty six Transformers of the movie vibes. Yes,

686
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.840
that's immediately what came to mind for me.

687
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:11.880
I completely agree with that. It does.

688
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.079
Yeah, but it even.

689
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.599
Like I knew it was coming, and I applauded again

690
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.199
watching it to prep for this podcast, because it just

691
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:20.679
it just hits out of nowhere.

692
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:23.880
Plus that's what we're thinking too when that.

693
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:31.639
Yeah, the whole crew would be right yep, without question. Well,

694
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.360
as this is going on, obviously, the card is fighting

695
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:41.679
Soren and basically loses and gets taken into the Nexus.

696
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.960
Where come on, guys, let's be honest here. I think

697
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.159
if you get ripped into the Nexus, and even even

698
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:50.440
Guynan mentions this, that you're not want to go, You're

699
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.159
not wanting to leave it, and because it's going to

700
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:57.079
give you everything that you want and she's right. I

701
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.079
mean if I was went into the Nexus, I wouldn't

702
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.440
want to leave it. I guess your wife's thorn with

703
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.440
one to go back, you know. Heck, yeah, I mean,

704
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.960
and then Picard gets everything he wants here, man, he

705
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.719
gets a wife, he gets kids, he gets Renee back

706
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.639
his nephew. I mean, why would you want to leave that?

707
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.880
But yet Picard still realizes what he needs to do. Yeah.

708
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.000
Yeah, it's almost it's almost like an empathetic version of

709
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.760
the Black Mercy from the Superman story for the man

710
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.719
who has everything right. It's something that's going to wrap

711
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.440
you enjoy that you never want to leave. Yeah, as

712
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.840
I guess kind of recompense for the fact that it

713
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:39.000
is a massively destructive force that comes through every thirty

714
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:44.519
nine years. Yeah, I guess it's something like that. It was.

715
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.960
It was interesting to me how it was, how it

716
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.760
was set up, or how they kind of talked about it,

717
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.039
because it felt like something they had never encountered before.

718
00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:00.320
Yet it comes around on a regular basis, just didn't

719
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.079
seem to have any kind of you know, background, But

720
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.119
right by the same token, when we're when we're pulled

721
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.679
into the Nexus with Kirk, this is where it starts

722
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.199
to become a little tough to follow. And I will

723
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.159
say when I first saw this, I had a hard

724
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.360
time distinguishing between Gynon in the real world and Echo

725
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:23.519
Gyndon and what exactly was going on, which I think

726
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.519
was intentional. But there was a lot of squirrel kind

727
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.599
of logic in that nexus sequences of stuff to follow.

728
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.039
That's right, it was because I mean it I still

729
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.119
kind of think about because she said even he got here,

730
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.559
he feels like he just got here, you know, And

731
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.880
that's Kurt that she's talking about, right, But it's like,

732
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.800
but that was like eighty years ago. I'm confused.

733
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.840
I guess there's no time. That time doesn't really mean

734
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.320
anything in there, you know, whether you're there for a

735
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.000
long time or you just derived it's it's it's very

736
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.280
odd concept. It's kind of hard to get your head around.

737
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:56.559
Yeah, I was just gonna say, it's it's kind of

738
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.599
interesting that, you know. I'm pretty sure Guynon never encounters

739
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:05.400
Kirk on the enterprise, right, so when we meet him,

740
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.199
he's chopping wood. It seems like he's just gotten here,

741
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.719
and that's what Guynon even says, But she has knowledge

742
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:16.039
of him and historical contexts and awareness of him, So

743
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.719
it's possible that they had some kind of interaction within

744
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.599
the nexus, but he just doesn't remember it.

745
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:21.920
You know.

746
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:24.320
It's that whibley wobbly timey Wayne.

747
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.760
Kind of thing too.

748
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.320
But it also seems set up kind of an interesting

749
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.840
idea for the Echo Guyan that if this thing comes

750
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.519
through every thirty nine years, chances are it's probably gonna

751
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.199
encounter somebody else again or swoop somebody into the neck

752
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:44.079
in nexus. That she's going to encounter every future iteration,

753
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.320
every future visitor there, but it's all from the perspective

754
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:49.480
of who she was at that time.

755
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.760
Yeah, that's true. That's a good point, but it was

756
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.960
it was needed to get Kirk and Picard together though,

757
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.280
you know, and if the Card doing his best to

758
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:02.079
talk Kirk into realizing this is your duty. You know,

759
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.599
you have to come back and help me basically, you

760
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:07.559
know that's who you are. But then you know, Kirk

761
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.679
once says day where he's at, I don't blame him,

762
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:14.239
I would too, until he realizes that it's not real

763
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.039
of what he's feeling of what's going on around him,

764
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:22.320
which leads them to the final fight with Sren you know,

765
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:27.400
we obviously lose Kirk in good fashion, and I'm my

766
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:29.920
understanding as they had to redo that, did they not wane?

767
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.239
Yes, they did. It was a very quick and different

768
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.239
ending and it did not test very well with with

769
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.119
the uh, the audiences that that saw it. So they

770
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.920
went back almost four months later, it was like about

771
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.880
about a month and a half before the release of

772
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.039
the film, and reshot the ending, made it longer, made

773
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:54.039
it more exciting, you know, and it tested better.

774
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.639
Yeah, because I think originally wasn't Sorren shoots Kirk in

775
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.920
the back yescorn. I think it was the.

776
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.320
Yes and he blew up, Yeah, yeah, it was. It

777
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:05.559
was too quick it for you know, your after two

778
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.559
hours of the film then you know, boom, it's all

779
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:08.320
over with the now.

780
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:10.800
Yeah, that wouldn't have worked, and I agree with the

781
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:12.800
test audience on that one. Thank god they changed it.

782
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:18.320
But it seems like it seems like they also had

783
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.199
this intentional setup that you've got Picard, who is not

784
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:26.559
as physical captain as Kirk is, so to give Kirk

785
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:32.599
more physical kind of opportunities in this not just you know,

786
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:35.559
duking it out with Soren, but also his you know,

787
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:39.079
he's able to roll with the bridge. He's able to

788
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.840
jump and leap and do all these physical things that

789
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.239
were kind of used to Kirk doing.

790
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.280
And a more heroic death than just getting shot exactly. Yeah,

791
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.639
which is very emotional that we have to see that ending.

792
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.440
All right, well, let's take another break, guys, we would

793
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:57.199
come back. We'll go behind the scenes and continue our discussions.

794
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:01.960
All right, everybody, welcome back to Faser Set the Sun

795
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.360
as we continue our discussion of card Trek generations. Any

796
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.760
interesting behind the scene guys that you found or wanted

797
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:09.360
to talk about.

798
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.000
There are a couple of things, and I'd like to

799
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.039
hear your opinion on one of them too. Let's talk

800
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.079
about the Enterprise d You know, we've seen it for

801
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.519
seven years and it was originally designed by Herman Zimmerman.

802
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:24.599
And he came back and redid the bridge set. You know,

803
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.199
he added computer consoles, He raised the captain's chair off

804
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:30.320
the floor. I don't know if you knowed there was

805
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.880
a step there. He reworked the ceiling because he'd always

806
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:37.960
been unhappy with the some of the original designs. Of course,

807
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.679
they were designed for television. Now we've film, they had

808
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.639
to you know, hide the imperfections, you know, create more details.

809
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.079
But in my opinion, it was like the Enterprise was

810
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:53.039
on low power the entire time. The lights were way

811
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.960
too dark or for all this that's especially the scenes

812
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.760
and ten forward, it was almost as if guying in

813
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.199
turn and all the lights off, you know, like I

814
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.320
guess it was last Call or something. I liked some

815
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.119
of the mood lighting because it allowed only the lighting

816
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.760
coming through the windows from whatever was outside. But it

817
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.280
just it seems such a weird contrast to what we

818
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:14.960
saw for the last seven years.

819
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.639
Because in the TV series everything was bright. I mean,

820
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.320
you know, there was hardly any dark corners on that ship.

821
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.760
Now at times it's it's almost a little too dark.

822
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.519
I understand that points what they're trying to do. They're

823
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:29.239
giving it that cinematic look.

824
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.320
I just think they went a little bit too far.

825
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.320
I agree they did go a little bit too far.

826
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.800
And I think because the bridge of the Enterprise in

827
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.880
this one looked almost like Yesterday's Enterprise where you get

828
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:43.119
that really dark yes to it, you know, And I

829
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:44.679
do agree with you on to a point on that.

830
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.280
I mean, I like the cinematic lighting, but I think

831
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:47.960
it was too much.

832
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:49.480
I think I just think it was a little bit

833
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.039
too dark. I definitely understand it could add it that bright.

834
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.440
Like the TV series is a whole different type of

835
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.239
shooting when you're shooting from film to oh yeah, TV show,

836
00:42:58.280 --> 00:42:59.639
So they had to they had to change that. It

837
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.920
just it just becomes a little distracting when when they're

838
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:04.559
all walking around looking like they're going to bump into

839
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.320
one other things, you can't see where they're going. And

840
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:10.440
then there's one other thing I wanted to mention that

841
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.679
most people may not know about this, and that's the costumes,

842
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:14.880
which a lot of people wanted, you know, what the

843
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:16.960
heck's going on with the costumes? They look, you know,

844
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.559
why are they wearing these? Some are wearing Deep Space

845
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.440
nine costumes, some are wearing the regular next generation costumes.

846
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:27.519
That wasn't originally their intention. Robert Blackman, who designed the

847
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.760
costumes for the TV series, he had always intended to

848
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.880
do new uniforms for the film because they have a

849
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.519
larger budget, they can create new uniforms because it's expensive,

850
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.840
you know, so they need the larger budget. And plus

851
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:41.760
they were going to create these uniforms that they could

852
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.400
use for Deep Space nine too, and they were going

853
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.280
to use the budget on the film for that, however,

854
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:49.079
And they designed these beautiful uniforms. They were, they're incredible.

855
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:55.000
Their three piece suit had a division color undershirt, black pants,

856
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.000
and then a wrap around like tu nic style jacket

857
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:01.400
with had ring pips on the lapel and as well

858
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:05.199
as the rank braiding on the on the cuffs just

859
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.360
like the original series had. And they are they were

860
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.960
very sharp looking, and the casts looked looked darn good

861
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:16.880
at them when they're standing up. But when they started filming,

862
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.400
and they did film with these, they ran into a

863
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.480
lot of practical problems. Uh, the jackets tend to ride

864
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:26.440
up considerably to the point where they were right up

865
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.199
against their chin every time they sat down or or

866
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.960
or lying down, and and there was nothing, no amount

867
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.800
of the card maneuver could fix this. So they shot

868
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.360
a couple of scenes. They shot the scenes with Jordi

869
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.840
being interrogated by Soren, and they shot the h the

870
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.639
sick Bay scenes with with Crusher and Riker and Jordy

871
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.599
and them, and they just they realized it wasn't going

872
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:52.559
to work. They just they just weren't going to work.

873
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:57.360
It's you know, So they had to quickly, very quickly

874
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.159
come up with a solution and they brought back the

875
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.400
old uniforms. They they borrowed some of the Deep Space

876
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.119
nine uniforms. I believe Jonathan Franks was wearing Avery Brooks

877
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:11.119
uniform and LeVar Burton was wearing Colemini's, so you know,

878
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.119
that's that's why their uniforms are like that, and because

879
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:18.639
it was done so late in the day. Unfortunately, some

880
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.599
of the stuff that was originally coming out before the

881
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.280
film shows these uniforms, and the big one being the

882
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.639
playmate's action figures. If you go and get any of

883
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.760
the action figures for Star Trek generations, they're all wearing

884
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.000
these these different uniforms. It's it's I mean, it's kind

885
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.000
of neat seeing on me. But they never we never

886
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:41.199
saw those uniforms on screen. Plus there's also an action

887
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:45.440
figure of Kirk in his skydiving uniform too, which made

888
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.679
it to the film. But see, yeah, I always love

889
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.760
it story. It's a pity that they weren't able to

890
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.559
use them because they are beautiful uniforms and the lower

891
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.039
decks uniforms are actually based on these designs.

892
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.559
Interesting, yeah, I remember reading about that. I thought it's

893
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.559
interesting to think of the fact that Raker is wearing

894
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.079
Cisco's uniform and the fact he had to roll up

895
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.280
his sleeves because it was too long for him.

896
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.159
Yeah, of course, next film, you know, they finally got

897
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.199
to make uniforms that worked, and then those uniforms were

898
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:18.079
carried over to D Space nine. So it all worked

899
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.159
out in first contact. But you know, this this was

900
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:20.800
a trial run.

901
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.480
You know, it all worked out. It was anything from me,

902
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:26.880
Scott anything behind the scenes.

903
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.880
Well, it kind of I mean, I guess it's uniform

904
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:36.880
ad Jason Troy's burned backside. Oh yeah, So apparently during

905
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.599
the battle with the Kligands, when Troy is at the helm,

906
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.360
there was a lot of debris that was flying around

907
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.199
and some was burning debris, and it happened to land

908
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:51.559
on her seat as she was coming back down on it.

909
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.800
So you can still see the cut in the film.

910
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.559
It actually cuts away right before she sits on the chair.

911
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.239
She wasn't badly injured, but they continue their film to

912
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.039
see it afterwards. I imagine that probably wasn't very comfortable,

913
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.199
very kay, that kind of scene.

914
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:07.920
I didn't know that. I'm gonna have to watch for

915
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:08.480
that now.

916
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.440
All right, Ouch, that's sure, what a.

917
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:13.000
No.

918
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.559
You guys hit on pretty much on the ones I

919
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.039
really wanted to talk about. Uh. The only one other

920
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.000
interesting one that I have is so when this movie

921
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.679
came out in ninety four, I actually saw this why

922
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:29.400
I was filming Andersonville, uh in Georgia and some of

923
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.039
the people who were working on the film and I

924
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:32.719
we went to see this movie. You know, we were

925
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:34.719
all Star Trek fans and you wanted to see it.

926
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:35.639
Well.

927
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.440
To our surprise, as we got to the end this movie,

928
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.559
we're watching the credits roll, we realized Bud Davis was

929
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.920
the stunt coordinator for Star Trek Generations. And it turns

930
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.440
out we knew Bud Davis because Bud Davis was working

931
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.119
on Andersonville with us as the stunt coordinator.

932
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:50.440
Wow.

933
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.239
So it's kind of nice to When we went back

934
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.360
to the set the next day, we went, hey, Bud,

935
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:57.280
we see that you worked on Star Trek Generations. He's like, yeah,

936
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.599
I sure did. And he was telling us some stories

937
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.719
about Car I mean, about William Shatner and something how

938
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:03.719
nice William Shatton was on the set and stuff like that.

939
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.159
So that was kind of cool to get that connection

940
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:06.920
to Generations.

941
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:08.239
There's oh yeah, that's great.

942
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.880
Yeah, but Davis has done a ton of stuff. If

943
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.960
you're looking up on dB, that man has been very

944
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.960
busy over the years. He's not with us anymore, but

945
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.599
he did a lot of stuff in Hollywood. It was

946
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:20.800
kind of nice to get to talk to somebody who

947
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:21.559
had actually.

948
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:21.840
Worked on Starter.

949
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.840
Absolutely. Oh, let's talk about some what ifs, guys, So

950
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.280
we've already mentioned some of them as we've been talking.

951
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.679
One of the things that I found very interesting is

952
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:37.360
was Marlon Brando really considered foreign Really?

953
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.119
I mean, Dave, you and I have talked about Superman,

954
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:45.079
We've talked about Apocalypse. Now. I wouldn't wish that on

955
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:45.559
this trip.

956
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:47.199
No, not at all.

957
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.360
I just I don't know nineteen ninety four, Marlon Brando,

958
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.119
I just don't. I can't see it.

959
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.440
I just don't mean neither. Not as much moving around

960
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.880
as Malcolm Dow had to do. I mean, they could

961
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.920
have changed it for him, but it would not have

962
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:02.239
worked in my opinion, no.

963
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:03.960
Way, not at all.

964
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.599
Yeah, anything that would be oh yeah, absolutely, Malcolm, it

965
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:09.280
down all the.

966
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:10.239
Way for sure.

967
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:14.079
Well. I had some you know, not necessarily alternate casting,

968
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.000
but just some kind of things that came to mind,

969
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:20.000
what if wise, we see later in Pocard season three

970
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.679
that Kirk's body is kept at Daystrim Institute, and at

971
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.400
first that kind of struck me as odd, like, aside

972
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.920
from historical significance, what could they possibly want from his

973
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.159
body that might be interesting to think of it based

974
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:37.280
on this Nexus event. So he's somebody that went into

975
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.599
the Nexus and came back out of it. It doesn't

976
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:44.440
seem like the Nexus is necessarily classified because data talks

977
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.840
about it instill their cartography. But I wonder if maybe

978
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.039
they wanted to keep his real death something that's kept

979
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:54.440
secret and possibly keep that body for future study. Althole

980
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.400
the same token might be interested in Guiden. But yeah, that's.

981
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:58.920
A unique angle, Scott, I didn't think about that.

982
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.239
Yeah, I never thought of it that way either, good call.

983
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:04.960
The other one. That was kind of, you know, something

984
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:09.159
to think about or something to ponder. So Picard's loss

985
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.400
of his family is obviously crushing. We've talked about that

986
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:15.599
before he appears, and I thought it was kind of

987
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.880
an odd choice to have him appear at Christmas. But

988
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:21.639
there's there's a lot of light, and there's a lot

989
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.480
of confusion, there's a lot of you know, wrapping up

990
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.519
joy in kind of a holiday event, right. I wonder

991
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.519
if it's possible that we're seeing a scene if he

992
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.039
had made a different choice in the family episode. So

993
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.719
if because it looks like the Renee character, even though

994
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:40.440
it's a different.

995
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.679
I think that's actually what they were going for, because

996
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:45.639
wasn't the woman supposed to be his wife?

997
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.079
Yeah, and if it looks like Renee is it's a

998
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:53.960
different cast casting choice for the character Renee, But it

999
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.119
seems like it's a probably at the same age. So

1000
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.639
are we possibly seeing something where obviously it would be

1001
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.320
years after because he buried and has several kids, but

1002
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:04.480
something that kind of takes that to the extreme, Like

1003
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.719
thinking back to the the the discussion he had with

1004
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:13.559
his brother and the choice that he almost made, it

1005
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.480
feels like that's almost like a what if?

1006
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.599
Yeah, good Man never thought of that. Yeah, yeah, get

1007
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:24.440
deep on it. If here, Scott, I like you anything

1008
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:25.559
for you Wayne.

1009
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:30.599
Other than what we mentioned. And you know, I've seen

1010
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.840
the deleted scenes. You know, we talked a little bit

1011
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:35.840
about them, and it's interesting to think of the film

1012
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.320
with all these deleted seities, and there were quite a

1013
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.599
few of them actually, not just the ones we mentioned,

1014
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.159
but uh, you know the ones that uh there's one

1015
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:48.039
little rather lengthy scene in the sick bay after they

1016
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:53.079
get Jordie back that's was taken out and covered with

1017
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:57.519
just captain's log with a with a quick shot of

1018
00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:01.800
that was you reused from the TV series. It's an

1019
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.320
interesting thought to if you included all these scenes, it

1020
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.599
does kind of change the the tone of the film

1021
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.400
and definitely changes the pacing of the film. That's yeah,

1022
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.679
that's my wife's thinking, you know, of what could have

1023
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:14.760
been included in this film.

1024
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:20.159
Yeah. Cool, Well, let's talk about the score. Guys. We

1025
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.079
all know that we always love talking about music of films. Wayne,

1026
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.159
I know you do you know this was done by

1027
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.719
Dennis McCarthy, and guys, I thought he did a fantastic job.

1028
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.400
And he did, he did.

1029
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.079
I really enjoyed the score. It hit where it needed to.

1030
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.360
But yeah, it was very enjoyable for sure.

1031
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:41.519
He created some good themes, good themes that that were.

1032
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:43.880
He didn't just reuse music that he'd written, and he'd

1033
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.719
been written writing for Next Generation since day one. He

1034
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.639
worked on Encounter Farpoints, but he created all new themes

1035
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.960
for this this movie. He would go on and use

1036
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.800
a lot of them in Do Space nine. But you

1037
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.360
know this is he had a much larger orchestra Who's

1038
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:03.599
here than then what was normally used in the TV series.

1039
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:06.760
And this is the first time that a composer used

1040
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:08.880
a choir in a Star Trek score.

1041
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:11.880
I love choir, you know that, Yeah.

1042
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.480
I know you do, yes, And he did a wonderful job.

1043
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.559
It's great in this score. Very It's subtle, but you know,

1044
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.159
it makes a lovely background to his pieces. You know,

1045
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.840
he created three new themes for this, and he used

1046
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:28.800
Alexander Courage's original series fanfare through it. The only the

1047
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.320
only thing that I his he decided not to use

1048
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.679
Jerry Goldsmith's theme, and I I think that was a mistake.

1049
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.719
The only thing that I would criticize his score was

1050
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.639
only because I'm such a huge Jerry Goldsmith fan. But

1051
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:44.480
you know what, Hey, they'll fix that next film.

1052
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:45.679
Yes they will, of course.

1053
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:48.599
Yeah, I feel like it could have It could have

1054
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:52.800
been an interesting addition at the end, right, Yeah, after

1055
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:56.039
we've kind of passed the baton and Kirk has gone

1056
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:59.880
on to have that play and just a mawledgement like okay,

1057
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.719
it's the next Generations show. From now on.

1058
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:06.519
Yeah, but you know saying that too. Though I love

1059
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:10.360
his end credits. I think he wrote an incredibly wonderful

1060
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:14.679
end credits suite. So yeah, I'm not following that because

1061
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:16.280
it is fantastic.

1062
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:20.480
It really not absolutely All right, let's talk about some

1063
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.199
Easter eggs. Wayne, did you find anything interesting in the film,

1064
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:24.159
because you're so good at this?

1065
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.800
Oh yeah, well, first of all, and I was gonna

1066
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.000
mention this earlier. This film is set. It takes place

1067
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:35.079
one year after the events of the finale of the

1068
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.480
Next Generation all good things. You know, that's kind of important.

1069
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.719
There's a little bit of time between the two. This

1070
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.199
was also will be Goldberg's first appearance for a while,

1071
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.679
you know, since season six is Suspicions. You know, they

1072
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.840
had originally had her, was going to have her come

1073
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:56.480
back in Deep Space nine second season, an episode called Rivals,

1074
00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:00.800
but she wasn't available, And it's in that episode where

1075
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:04.239
her race is first identified. The l or excuse me,

1076
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.719
l alarn it's you know a lot of people think

1077
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.840
it's this film. No, it was actually in this episode

1078
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:16.480
of Deep Space nine. Let's see, we talked about Tim Russ. Ye,

1079
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:22.599
let's here's why Bicard, Riker, Data, and LaForge are the

1080
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.920
only four characters of the main cast to wear those

1081
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:29.719
Deep Space nine uniforms in the film, and the only

1082
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:32.719
female was Alyssa Galla, who also you know, she's from

1083
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:37.719
the series. She makes an appearance in here too. That's yeah.

1084
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:39.800
And this I I read this one. I didn't. I

1085
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.679
never heard this before, but I thought it was rather funny.

1086
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:45.519
Captain Picard's chair was stolen, the one off the bridge,

1087
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.800
just hours before they were beginning to shoot this film.

1088
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.239
They had to quickly cobble something up, you know, to

1089
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:58.039
get to be able to film. Yeah, you know. And

1090
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.880
and by the way, they have found it. I just

1091
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.599
saw this the other day. It's actually if listeners, if

1092
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:06.719
you don't know, we're actually recording this the same weekend

1093
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:10.920
as San Diego Comicon. It's actually on display at the

1094
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:15.719
comic con right now. It has been found and you know, good.

1095
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.280
I'm glad they found it. I wonder I'd love to

1096
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:19.599
know the story of what happened.

1097
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.039
Yes, please tell us the story. Someone boring mines. I

1098
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:23.440
want to know.

1099
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.559
They've got some red shirt security officers just positioned.

1100
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:29.960
Around it, and the only other East Egg this isn't

1101
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:31.960
so much for the film, but of some of the

1102
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:38.199
merchandise when Generations was novelized by J. M. Ballard. The

1103
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:42.960
hardcover was released on December one, nineteen ninety four, but

1104
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:47.599
he wrote it before the reshoots was done, so the

1105
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:50.039
hardback version of the book. If you ever curious about

1106
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:55.039
the original ending, read the book, the hardback book. It's there.

1107
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.559
That's the original ending. But if you got the paperback,

1108
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.599
he went and rewrote it so that it match the

1109
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:01.639
one ass filmed.

1110
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:04.920
Yeah. Interesting, it's interesting he went back and did that

1111
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.079
just for the the paperback.

1112
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:11.760
There's one minder thing that I caught and Wayne, you'll

1113
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:16.440
have to keep me honest. There's a batlith in Kirk's house.

1114
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.159
Yes there is. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.

1115
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:20.119
By I forgot about that.

1116
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.880
I don't remember ever being given a batlith on screen.

1117
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:29.360
And my theory is, if that's wrong, my theory is

1118
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:33.239
that after Undiscovered Country, when he finally had you know,

1119
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.320
that that moment of moving on with the Klingons and

1120
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.960
having such an important role in what happened there, that

1121
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.800
maybe he was ceremoniously given that bad lath as kind

1122
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:48.159
of an honorary would be for his work there.

1123
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:50.639
That would be Yeah, that would be a good backstory

1124
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:53.159
for that. But I'll baffle you even more. That same

1125
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:56.440
scene where you see that bathlet, for some odd reason,

1126
00:57:56.480 --> 00:58:00.960
there's a Jimidar weapon hanging near it. Now how he

1127
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:01.880
got that, I don't know.

1128
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.000
Jem the door got into the next sus and sneak

1129
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:07.360
into his house just to mess it him.

1130
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:13.480
Oh interesting, that's cool, all right. So favorite moments guys, Scott,

1131
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:14.119
what about.

1132
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:21.400
You in that in that kind of area, Kirk making breakfast.

1133
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.920
I don't know why, but I've always loved seeing him

1134
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.920
making the eggs, his little joke wer he says, dill

1135
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.920
like easy, buddy, But you know, chopping the wood, making

1136
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.480
the breakfast. It's that. It's where that squirrel logic seemed

1137
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.880
to hit most for me for the with the nexus.

1138
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:44.400
But interesting, how you know when Kirk is there, he

1139
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:46.880
knows that it's the day he decided to go back

1140
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.679
to Starfleet. He's going to change his mind. Then it

1141
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.000
quickly goes to wait, this is the day that I

1142
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:55.679
met so I can do it all right. From the beginning,

1143
00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:59.119
it was just great to see him in those moments.

1144
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.000
Yeah, Wayne, what about you.

1145
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.119
Well, I mentioned the one earlier about the scene with

1146
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.199
the card and Troy when he breaks down about hearing

1147
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:12.400
his his family. But and I love the open sesame scene.

1148
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:14.360
But I'm going to I'm going to have to say personally,

1149
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.079
the crash scene is just phenomenal. The lead up to

1150
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.760
the crash scene, the the evacuation of the star drive section,

1151
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:26.159
the wave, the whole thing is filmed, and then the

1152
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.320
explosion that I mean, it happens so fast. It's not

1153
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.079
something that you you know that you have time to

1154
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.079
build up. When the explosion happens, it's it's a real shock.

1155
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:35.440
You know.

1156
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.599
They had barely enough time to get away. And I

1157
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.960
love how the whole thing was structured, from from the

1158
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.039
beginning of the evacuation all the way to when the

1159
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.920
saucer section comes to a rest on the on the planet.

1160
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.760
Wonderful scene and so shocking when we saw it.

1161
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:53.599
I'm I'm going to completely one agree with you on this, Wayne,

1162
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.719
that is the entire sequence is my favorite piece of

1163
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.960
the of the whole film, because they left this for

1164
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:05.440
something gigantic cinematic wise to give us, and that's exactly

1165
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:10.440
what they did. They delivered an epic scene for Star

1166
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:13.760
Trek the Next Nation fans, and they had to. Like

1167
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:18.480
I mentioned earlier, Enterprise D is a character of this series.

1168
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.679
We fell in love with that ship. It's just as

1169
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.000
much a part of the show as the crew is.

1170
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.199
And if you're going to destroy it, you're going to

1171
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.239
kill it, you need to do it in some epic way.

1172
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:33.000
And they did it in an epic way.

1173
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:34.039
Yeah.

1174
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.079
Let me expand on what you're thinking right there with

1175
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.960
a what if. The original idea to do this was

1176
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:48.119
first planned to be this season sixth finale. HM. Now

1177
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.920
think of what if, what would have happened? How would

1178
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.079
it have been if we would have lost the Enterprise

1179
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:55.199
in season six.

1180
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.199
I would be neat to get another Enterprise after that.

1181
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:00.920
But I don't think they could have pulled it off

1182
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:01.920
with a budget they had.

1183
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.760
Yeah, I mean, wait, you're right, you're absolutely I don't

1184
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.440
think they could have done it. But I think it

1185
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.440
would have been one of the worst mistakes they could

1186
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:12.960
have ever made because having to start with a new

1187
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:17.159
ship for one more season. Yeah, for just one season,

1188
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:21.159
we wouldn't have had that familiarity like we had with

1189
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.800
the D. Yeah. And then when they went to the films,

1190
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:26.920
we wouldn't have cared so much when it happened here

1191
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.760
in this film. They did the right thing by holding

1192
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:30.679
it off for this film.

1193
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:31.760
I completely agree.

1194
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:33.880
Yeah, well, and I think it would have been tough

1195
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.239
to explain how you know, there would be a significant

1196
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:38.880
time jump then between from one season to the next,

1197
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:40.800
because it's not like they have this valley of parking

1198
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.840
lot of Galaxy class starships. They could just be like, oh,

1199
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.119
the runtle over here and share, right, sir, that's the keys.

1200
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:51.519
Yeah, guys, if you could, we've done this before and

1201
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:53.280
changing the world and those kinds of things. I thought

1202
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:55.119
it'd be interesting to do it here. If you could

1203
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.840
be anyone in the film, who would it be? And why? Wayne?

1204
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.639
Oh wow, that's that's a really hard question. But I

1205
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.199
think I think I'm gonna say.

1206
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:07.159
Data, get off my notes.

1207
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.840
Only because you know, we watched for seven years of

1208
01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:19.599
him struggling to understand humanity, understand being being human and humor,

1209
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.960
and now with this chip, he has opened up a

1210
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:28.159
completely new world for himself to explore. And yeah, it's

1211
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:32.920
a rough start, but think of all the fun him

1212
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:34.360
and the crew is going to have. I mean, we

1213
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.599
had fun watching it, so I just yeah, I've got

1214
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:38.800
to say data, Yeah.

1215
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:39.519
Scott, what about you?

1216
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:41.960
But then you don't have to drink that revolting drink

1217
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.159
that he hates. That comedy highlight For me, I.

1218
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:46.920
Forgot about this scene. Yes, I love that.

1219
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:54.760
More. Please, I was gonna surprise what I answered, what

1220
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:58.719
I thought of it. But Captain Kirk, so paraphrase one

1221
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.360
of his last lines, it was fun. It seemed like

1222
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.000
every sequence he's involved in looks like it would be

1223
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:08.039
a lot of fun to film or for the character

1224
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.599
to be in, even things that are as simple as

1225
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.719
chopping wooden, cooking breakfast, which gave me that kind of

1226
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:18.920
Captain Pike vibes from the strange New Worlds. But the

1227
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:23.159
horseback riding, the climbing through engineering, and obviously that one

1228
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.239
last action scene, it looked like he was having fun

1229
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.079
throughout and I was happy to see that for him,

1230
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.719
For this kind of a character coming out of the Nexus,

1231
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.239
leaving behind joy, it didn't seem like he was dying

1232
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.519
in despair. Yeah, he was dying exactly how he thought

1233
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:39.199
you should.

1234
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:40.159
I agree.

1235
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:44.519
Yeah, that's a good thing. But for me, again, everyone

1236
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:49.239
Wayne's reading my notes, OKAYO know, I agree with you again.

1237
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:52.480
Wayne is definitely Data for me. He's come a long

1238
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:54.880
way getting to see him get to this point. But

1239
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.920
can you imagine, can you imagine if you've never had

1240
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:02.559
emotions ever and you finally get them for the first time,

1241
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:07.639
what that experience, what that feeling would be? Yea, and

1242
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:10.519
humor would where you would probably want to go too quickly.

1243
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.119
And it's exactly where Data went. And he was some

1244
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:15.719
very good comic relief in this movie, and I'm glad

1245
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:17.079
we had it because it again we got to see

1246
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:19.360
the comic side of Brince Spiner, who is really good

1247
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:22.880
at comedy. Yes, and I'm glad that he got to

1248
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.800
show that in this film. And yes, I agree, it

1249
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:28.079
would be Data fla for sure.

1250
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.320
We love Data. We love the character, and we get

1251
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:36.519
he expands. We got to see his adventure from Encounter

1252
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:38.679
Far Apart all the way to the end of the

1253
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.840
Card season three, and how much he's grown. It's just

1254
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.079
we love Brince Spiner. We love Data.

1255
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:46.400
Yeah, yeah, Well he runs the game out of emotions,

1256
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.119
going from the laughing scene all the way to the

1257
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:51.880
end where he finds the spot and has overcome.

1258
01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:53.159
Oh yeah, that spot.

1259
01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:55.800
It is great and I think you know, it's possible

1260
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.199
that if Troy had kind of looked over and seen that,

1261
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.639
she would have just like type of to the combats

1262
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:02.559
and say, like, clear my schedule for the next six months.

1263
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:04.280
I'm going to ask is going to be on my couch?

1264
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:07.519
No other patients? This will take a bit.

1265
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:10.000
Yeah, so they ask you guys, have you, guys ever

1266
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:14.559
seen on YouTube the Star Trek regenerations, the Roddenberry Archive.

1267
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.039
So go watch this, listeners, go watch this. It is

1268
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:27.400
a short done by a fan and it shows the

1269
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.480
saft refection being you know, ships are coming in to

1270
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:34.000
try to pick it up and you see a a

1271
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:35.400
someone's arriving.

1272
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:38.679
You see you see.

1273
01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:41.920
This person go to the grave of Captain Kirk and

1274
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:46.760
it turns out to be Spocke. Yeah, that's fantastic. It

1275
01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:50.800
is really good addition that, you know, incredibly done by

1276
01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:53.559
by a fan. So if listeners, if you've not seen this,

1277
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:57.159
go look it up on YouTube. It is incredible, very touchy.

1278
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.480
It's it's so beautifully done. Whoever did that? You know, Bravo?

1279
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:01.760
It's incredible.

1280
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:05.719
Yeah, it really really is. All right, listeners, tell us

1281
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:07.880
what your favorite part of this film was. Who was

1282
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:10.039
your favorite character and were you just as excited as

1283
01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.000
we were when this crew made the leap to the

1284
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.599
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01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.119
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