Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek Generations

0:01 Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation, our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows, both new and old, to engage and debate about all things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set the Stun, where we continue to show our love for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast which focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of Trek by covering television, animation, movies, directors, and much more.

0:58 Plotting the course as always as your core Trek crew, I'm David. Burns, I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne Whiteen. Well, gentlemen, I know we discussed seven seasons of Star Trek the Next Generation, so now it is time to move to the big screen with our favorite crew. Just as they made the leap, so are we, And of course that means we are discussing Star Trek Generations. A film that came out in nineteen ninety four and was directed by David Carson, who I might add also directed Yesterday's enterprise Guys, Yeah. Guess, and the pilot of Deep Space nine. Fantastic job two. That's right. Yeah, I have to say I remember how ecstatic I was to see the crew on the big screen for the first time. What about you guys, Oh yeah, definitely.

1:47 You couldn't help but look forward to it. It was just fantastic that we were getting them. We knew they were going to be moved to the screen, but tier we were getting you know, a combination, I mean, the Card and Kirk together. Wow. Yeahs for sure. And it was you know, it was more of an investment with Next generation for me than original series. Right. Yes, still to see the film's continuing on regardless, much less now we're launching into the next generation Earrow is fantastic. Yeah. Well, after that finale, we wanted more, I mean, you know, fortunately we didn't have to wait too long to get it. Yeah, thank goodness, unlike the original grew Yeah, so we'll take this any day, all right, Well, red alert everyone.

2:28 Unlike when we discussed the series, this episode is going to be full of spoilers, So if you haven't seen the film, please go and watch it and then come back to join us. We will be waiting. I also would like to say it would be a good idea to go watch the Next Generation episode, season four episode titled Family. We did recommend that episode when we were recovering that season because it has some significant themes that are dealt with in this episode. I mean, it's in this film. All right. Well, let's break it down. Wayne, give us a summary on what this film is all about. In twenty two ninety three, Captain James T. Kirk, Montgomery Scott, and Papalchekhov have been invited to the inaugural launch of the USS Enterprise B. But what was supposed to be a quick trip around the planets on a shakedown cruise turns into a desperate rescue mission of two ships caught in a stellar phenomenon called the Ribbon. The Enterprise be becomes trapped in the ribbon, and Captain Kirk seemingly sacrifices himself to save both the ship and the refugees they are rescuing. Meanwhile, in twenty three seventy one, the crew of the USS Enterprise D answered the distress call of an l alurn named Soren, only to find themselves caught in a massive plot created by Soren to bring the Ribbon to the planet Veridian three so that he may pass through it to another dimension called the Nexus, where all wishes can come true. They must stop Soren, but to do so may cost Captain a Card and his crew everything, and only the house I'd help of a

4:00 famous figure from the past can turn the tide in their favor and save the planet and its civilization from total destruction. Excellent. You know, we'll talk a little bit about the cast you already mentioned. You know that we're we get some of the original crew members joining us for this, and I know we'll get to discussion a little bit later. But you guys, I gotta tell you, I got chills when I got to see Kirk and Picard share the screen for the first time. Oh yes, yeah, all right. You know that's something we'd wanted for well ever since nineteen eighty seven's you know, we wanted to see them together, and we got a little you know bits, We got to see Spock, we got to see McCoy and Scotty, but we wanted Kirk.

4:41 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean it would always seemed like there was kind of this comparative angle to the two, you know, is it Picard, is it Kirk? Which is better? And also other kind of stuff. So it was great to see them finally share the screen and get a little bit of equal play, equal footing there. But it was also interesting to find out that kind of bridge between generations. Like you said, a lot of we had already mentioned, like relics gave us that kind of connection, but there was there was always this one big one that was missing. Yeah, and that was a big one, no doubt about it. And it made sense that they saved it for the for the theater in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah, you'd kind of have to likevent that huge yeah.

5:23 Oh yeah. And by this time, the next generation has proved itself, you stand on its own, you know, there was there was very little more of that that conflict that you mentioned, you know, the Kirk versus picards. So this was the right timing for it. Yeah, absolutely it was. So this film obviously is full of you know, our original cast members from the next generation as well. They all are back for the film. We also got some additions you talk about Soren who plays Malcolm Madell plays Soren, who does a wonderful job, fantastic job in this movie. We got the Dura sisters back, who we know they popped their ugly heads from time to time in this series. They come back for a final time I might which we'll get to that scene.

6:10 I'm sure we will. Let's talk a little bit about the Enterprise B crew guys, surprise Captain Alan Ruk. Yeah, Captain Harriman, I was. I was very surprised to just see him. There are a lot of familiar faces that I saw kind of in the periphery. I'm sure we're talking about a minute. Uh, But he did a great job as Captain Harriman. He did, I thought, and I would love to have seen even if it's a kind of you know, extended lower fature series. Uh see some of the exploits of Captain Harriman. Yeah, it's funny when you see him on the bridge on how rusty he is and how new he is, and you like when he's making decisions and talking, you see you see Kirk really wanting to like jump in and do something, you know, and thankfully he finally does go to Kirk and say, hey, I need some help.

6:57 Hear me, you know too. This is something I just read and I never realized that this was the angle, but the writers were actually leaning for his character to be more of like the the the rich kid that's been moved up to the ranks quickly through just because his family is influential, and that he's using this command as a way of getting into the politics, which I never thought of it that way, but when you when you hear that, it makes a little more sense. Yeah, that does. I wish it would came out a little bit more in the Yeah, I do too. I mean, I know they had a lot to deal with in this story, so I guess they couldn't beat around the bush too much. But I like that that's that makes more sense. Yeah, yeah, especially if he's one more student for diplomacy. Yeah, and first contact kind of situations, not necessarily, how do we get out of this crazy action sequence and stated lives of millions exactly?

7:47 Yeah. And another interesting officer lieutenant here, and is Tim Russ. Yeah. Are we going to see him at. Wayne Well, you know, he's he's popped up a couple of times in the next generation, but I think we'll see him just about two months later actually in Star Trek Voyager Lieutenant Tubac. Yeah. Absolutely. And then there's another science officer who's very recognizable, Scott, who. Is that that's alternate universe Tasha Yar Janette Goldstein. Yeah, that's right. I was. I don't know if we had mentioned it before, but it struck me as something new to learn that Janette Goldstein, who we all know and love, is Vazquez from Aliens that we obviously talked about in nineteen episodes. Absolutely, John Connor's Foster Mom and T two, among others, was originally considered for the role of Tasha Yar on TNG.

8:40 I wouldn't hate seeing that, No, I mean either, I'm so glad that we got Denise Crosby. Yeah, oh definitely, yeah, yeah, and that that could be a what if you know exactly? No, I wouldn't mind have seen that, but yeah, I love Dennise Crosby and what she gave us, but it would have been neat to see what Jeanette would have brought to the string too, because she's an awesome actress. Yeah. So all right, well, let's let's dive into the film. Guys. I know there's so much to talk about with this movie, and I know we're all just like boiling over here to start talking about it. The opening sequence, which I found quite interesting, Uh, the champagne bottle flipping end over end in space and you get obviously the credit role and stuff like that, as in a beautiful music by Dennis McCarthy, right, yes, yes, and you're wondering, why is this bottle flipping through the through space? What the hell is going on? And then when it hits the ship, you're like, ah, okay, makes perfect, said I thought it was a cool opening.

9:37 It is, it is, and it's a last minute edition. That was not originally the opening for the film. They they had shot a very lengthy scene of Kirk doing like sky diving but from from orbit really yeah, and that and check off and Scott was on the ground when he got there, and they're they're complaining about Kirk being very reckless and and you know, wanting to end his life, you know, you know, not caring about you know, life or death at that point. It was it was a long scene and it was completely shot, but they decided it was a little bit too much for the opening of the film, and we got the bottle and I agree, I agree, I love the bottle opening.

10:18 Yeah, I feel like that would have been a little bit too voyage. Home, yes, right, right? Or no? With the final Frontier. Thank you. Yeah, climbing the mountain exactly. I felt like this opening was a lot more. You know, Kirk is there with Chekhov and Scotty. He's willing to go through the ceremony of passing the baton, right, even though it's not the baton that we were kind of looking for yet, but it's him accepting that. And I think tonally for this as far as legacy, uh, it absolutely fits. And I mean you've got a great mix. I know that Scotty and Chekhov's roles were initially planned for cast members, but when you mentioned kind of Captain Harriman and his his abilities or his perceived ability these at the time that needed to be saved by Kirk.

11:08 Uh. Scotty has that great line where he's like, is there somethroom with your chair? Yeah, Like you have to let him try to work this out in his way, because this is his crew, this is his ship, this is his first voyage. Let him try well. That that even leads to when you're talking about that, that even leads to when Captain Harriman was going to go do go, you know, down to the to that level and Kirk, he says you have you have the bridge, and then Kirk starts to sit down and he realizes, no, this. Is your ship. You're in command, and they switch they switched positions there, and then Kirk goes and does it, which we often know what that's going to lead to. But yeah, I mean that makes perfect sense right there on that scene too. I love that moment too. I mean, you know, Kirk of course he wants to be captain of the Enterprise, but he realizes it's not his ship. Yep. I love that moment.

11:52 Yeah, I did too. So much happens in this beginning. You know, you get to see, you know, some of these original crew members who are basically obviously at their retirement point and they're getting to see a new ship and new crew. But then they get shoved into this distress signal to go to help these ships. They have no choice, you know. At first, Hairman's like, you know, you know, get another ship to go do it, and that's when Kirk starts to go off, you know, like wait a minute, you got to do this, you know. Then of course they are forced into going to doing it because no one else can help. And then they go and do it, and there's just so much is going on here with this opening. Let me add too, You know, these captains should know that these shakedown cruises never go easy. We've seen that thing over and over again, or something always happens always.

12:37 Yeah, let me come on. You should be ready for this now. But does it have like a standby shuttle that's just kind of ready, like we have all the stuff that should be installed. Just in case. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know it's funny because it's funny when everything goes crazy. The original crew members immediately jump into action when when they're basically asked to, you know, they go right into it. They don't miss a step, And I love how that happened in this film, and they did it that way. But we obviously get to the point where, you know, one of the ships blows up and the other one gets ready to blow up and they're able to beat some of them on board, and that's where we're introduced to Thorn. But the next person we're introduced right away, I thought was so cool how they did this. When you get to see Guynan, you're like, whoa, that's Gynan.

13:25 Yeah, well I was surprised to learn that she's that Wi Pie Goldberg isn't credited on this movie, and I'm like, considering how important she is the story of the franchise, that was surprising. She asked not to be credited. She didn't want because she's an Academy Award winner. She didn't want her name to be to take away from the Next Generation cast members because that would require her to be to get top billing. It good for her for doing that, It's fantastic. I did not know that. But yeah, it is a great connective threat and it kind of it It seeds the idea of mystery and yes, which guided always does, Like I was always hungry for, like more about kind of what can we learn. This definitely sets that up. Yeah.

14:10 Well, and you're even to the point, I mean, we don't get the original crew to what eighteen twenty minutes into this film. Yeah, that's right, right, And this is. The point of the film that you realize, oh, wait a minute, this is the next Generation movie, you know when the introduced Guidan. But it also gets more of that mystique about her, you know, being like, oh, we're gonna get to learn some more about her here, and. We know she's lived for a long time. We saw her back in the nineteenth century. Yeah, we sure did, but you know, and then of course the bad things happen. The ship gets struck by the uh that ribbon and we lose Kirk, which was, you know, pretty powerful moment for some of our crew members here. And then you know you're at the point now you're like, oh, crap is an audience. You're like, man, what an opening. And then we get to see our crew of the nixt generation on an old Yeah.

15:02 Well, particularly, I think James Dehan did a great job with Scotty's delivery there. Oh yes, his his reaction Kirk please respond reminded me a lot of wrath of Cohn. Yeah, I've seen like acknowledging Spot is in trouble, very poignant and very well done. I think the way that they know there were ideas about continuing that a little bit more. I think ending it right where they did was perfect. It was and let's let's let's not forget Sulu's daughter. Oh yeah, Demora. Yeah, I thought that was perfect casting for this and a perfect place to put her as a surprise the Kurk When when did he have to have time to make a family.

15:47 Well, it feeds into that kind of legacy and family theme, right, And it didn't hit me until recently watching this how much there are kind of parallels between Kirk's life picards the rest of the cruise lives. Yeah, in terms of you know, when do they get to live a life, when do they get to have a family. Very interesting kind of threads there, and interesting acknowledgement from Kirk of that, and Chekhov saying like, well, he has a life outside the ship, what are you going to do? Right? Well, and as he said, we move on to the old Enterprise obviously when we're on the holiday and it's it's a big event because they are promoting Wharf finally, finally, yes, he goes to lieutenant commander.

16:33 Is that correct, that's right, Yeah, he. Gets promoted lieutenant commander in a unique way of doing it. What I like about this scene here is it gives you a reintroduction to the crew, but it also gives you little tidbits of some of the characters that maybe if you've not watched the series, this kind of gives you some information about them really quick, specifically data because he comes up pretty quick. They realize that he's still struggling that he doesn't have emotions, and he's trying to figure out why it's funny that they removed the plank and war fell into the water. Okay, and then he turns around, obviously and pushes pressure. I was funny way else I thought it was hysterical.

17:14 But you know, I like how they did that. Just in case you got some audience members who don't know the Next Generation crew, you're going to get a little bit of information about these characters. Well, it leads into a great sequence with Jordy and Data. Yeah, where he says I'm I'm clearly not going to be able to go any further. It does seem a little odd for him to make such a big decision based on his joke of pushing crushing into the water as not hitting. It's kind of like, so I can be better at comedy. But at the same time, it seemed like, if we're going to go into a Next Generation movie, and this is something that Data has been pursuing his entire life, let's finally give it to him. Let's finally start that thread here so you can use it to greater effect in other movies. Now, I am curious about our opinion of data's emotion scenes because they are quite different.

18:10 Ye, So you know, I guess we can go ahead and discuss a little bit of that because I found his humor hysterical. I felt that this is Brent Spiner giving him a chance to shine once again, as he has done through the entire seven years of Star Trek to the Nation generation. This gave him some opportunity to give us some comedic relief, and I felt he nailed it because every time it happens, I bust out laughing. Now, I will say his his continuing laughing and laughing and laughing on the space station. I got a little bit annoying. That was creepy.

18:50 Actually, the point when it becomes creepy and it's kind of like he is out of control of these emotions and that kind of continueing too, this desperate need of you know, he's not going to be able to control it. What it really matters, right, right? Absolutely, Well, let's take a short little break at guys, and then we'll come back. We'll continue our discussion of this film. All right, everybody, welcome back to our discussion here Phaser set this done on Star Trek Generations. We were discussing a little bit about Brent Speyer and his humor that he was bringing with the emotion chip that he had put in. But before we get further into that, because again there's some very good comedic moments that I want to discuss, let's back up a little bit and let's talk about the message Captain Piccard got where he was on the Old Enterprise on the holiday where you completely and immediately see his change of emotion, which again goes to the power of Patrick Stewart's performing.

19:53 On a dime. His emotions have completely change just by looking at his eyes. Incredible performance here. But and this goes to the episode we were talking about from season four called Family. We learned that his brother and his nephew are killed in a fire, and he really doesn't want to talk about He really wants to keep it internalized. He doesn't want to give that to his crew, his you know, the emotions, the pain that he's feeling. I kind of get that. And then when he's in his in I guess it was a conference room, it wasn't the ready room. When Troy shows up, she kind of gets on him, you know, you know, she says, down, hey, what's going on? You know? And he's still kind of hiding it from her, and then he says he kind of tells her what's happening.

20:37 He goes, it's all right, it's all right, and she has that line, No, it's not alright, you know. And then as this breakdown and just goes on, you're getting to see Picard, the human side of Picard coming out, which we have seen before and we've discussed it before, and how good Patrick Stewart is with this he proves to hear too. Guys. Yeah, this, what you just described is probably I would say my favorite scene of the film because it's such a powerful scene and for exactly those reasons. Patrick Stewart is phenomenal. He's phenomenal in everything, but here he just really shows the emotion that he can bring to Captain Picard, to star Trek. It's just an incredible scene.

21:19 Yeah, And his character always had a great sense of family, even if he's somebody who didn't necessarily like children right or was uncomfortable around children as part of the growth that his character went through. And I think we talked about a lot of those instances and starter treks, but it's I love the fact that you brought up a family because that particular episode didn't hit too well when I first saw it, and in a similar fashion, hearing that news didn't hit as well because I didn't make that connection. When you see those two and you see how close he came to making a different choice, not going back to the Enterprise, staying on Earth where he might have had at least a chance of being there, if not, to save his family members, to be there for his surviving family members and help them through. It's a it's a very difficult scene and one that I think provides kind of a good bridge into even Picard season three. Yes, it's it's not that he didn't it's not that he never wanted family. It's that he never knew how it would fit into his life exactly.

22:29 And it really it really sets up what's coming a little bit later into this film. That's something he has to deal with briefly. But it is a really powerful moment for this character. We've seen many powerful moments with this character. But then we also had the scene before this too, where you know, Riker was trying to get out of him. You know, he goes into his right rooms to find out what's going on. You know, I mean, he cares, you know, but then you know, the card just blows up to him a little bit, and obviously Riker respects it and doesn't robe any further and just walk away. Counselor Troy could get away with that a little bit more, that's your job. Yeah, not not not the first number one, he couldn't do it get out, but no, I mean, you know, that was a very powerful moment in the movie, for sure, Wayne, I agree with you. It's one of my favorite scenes of this entire movie. And I'm sure we'll get We'll get around to that our likes a little bit later. But again, you know, they make it to the space station, and you know, we with the get injuiced to Thorn and we find out kind of what's going on with this dude and get to get the story starts getting a little bit more interesting here, right, We want to know what he's up to, and then more of Data's antics when he goes back onto the space station. That's where the creepy laugh comes in.

23:49 Yeah. But one of the things that I found hysterical was open for me. I'm glad you said that. I love that. That makes me crack up every time me. Too, I must have a magnetic personality. And so I also love Jordani's dead pan take on it, right, because that's the other half of the comedy delivery. It's kind of like somebody that's being zany and over the top and way too wacky. It's like, you know, working on the bridge with carrot top, right, and at what point do you turn off? Yeah, it's it's it's done really well. And I think considering Malcolm mcdell and sore and when we start to see more of his character from the you know, diplomatic side, when he's talking to Picard, to the sinister side, we start to see unfold in that scene. I think it's interesting to note for viewers and fans of Deep Space nine to know that Malcolm mcdell is an maternal uncle of Alexander Sidig, who played Doctor Julian on DS nine. Now I didn't know that before why watching this, but I couldn't unsee the similarities and both kind of his you know, his facial features, but also kind of some of his lines of delivery. Yeah, the similarity is definitely there. So I just I would I'd recommend that to anybody who's a fan of DS nine just go into this watching this knowing that.

25:18 Yeah, and I know Patrick Stewart Malcolm Madell were good friends because I think, what Patrick Stewart, who got Malcolm Adot McDow this job? Right? Yeah, that's right? Yeah? Yeah? Which good choice? Good choice for sure? Yes. And then another another deep cut that I found hysterical here was the fact that when out of nowhere, Data just starts laughing and he's. Like, I get it, And then you're like, what are they talking about? He goes all the way back to your countra four point from the joke. Yeah, well, it kind of reminds me of I think we covered in one of the episodes. There's an episode with Q where he uh temporarily grants Data emotion his cube powers and he starts laughing and you know, laughing in control of it and stops and just right back to work.

26:06 Yeah, let's let's let's talk about something for a moment here. How many times has Data caused problems on the ship? Are you really going to take a chance here again by giving him the emotion ship? I mean, let's think this through, honestly. Well, I mean it's clear that they went to some kind of trouble because they went from turning it into a you know, a flattened pip when we first saw doctor Sue hold it to something that looked like a boar's modulated checks mix. It was huge, right, So it's kind of like considering then, I mean, I'm glad in first contact he eventually is able to like cock his head and turn it off. Yeah, it seems like that should be in like day one of the manual, like let's turn this off just in case there's like some lore type ten. Then he's in there and you have to be an absolute jerk with your emotions.

27:05 Yeah, no kidding. All right, Well, let's let's visit mister tricorder here and make it so let's uh, let's talk about the Durrow sisters who make their appearance here. Yeah, so we we know this story has been going on for a while, and it's nice to have them back here because we get some closure with them here. And I love the fact that like Soren basically does something to Jeordie's visor so that they can see what's going on and as he's walking around their ship, because you're wondering, why are they watching this? What are they? What are they going to gain from this. The funny part was when they see Prussure pop up. Yeah yeah, or when they say I didn't know an engineer and spend so much time avoiding engineering. I mean, well, you guys did put like nanoprobes in his chest and stuff, so right, give them a little bit. But yeah, March and Gwyneth Walsh as Larsa and Batoor, they were, They've always been amazing. It's great to see them here. It does seem kind of interesting for the original series watcher who never bothered with the generation, wouldn't necessarily knew who they are, but that were there were having a Klaon villain in a world where the Clingons aren't the villains anymore.

28:25 Mm hm. I one, that was kind of an intentional bridge to say, we're going to introduce with the original cast, to say the Cleons or villains again, but it's more like renegade Clayons, which we've seen before. Absolutely. Yeah, no, that's a good touch. That's a good, good point to bring. Up, Scott. I like that, I'm sure, And it's two characters and we never really got to see too much of them anyways in the series. I mean, we had the two parter and then they came back like briefly in another episode. And before this movie, the last time we'd seen him was on the second episode of Deep Space nine, and even then it wasn't very long. So I was glad to see him in here because I love the carrot that they were. They were, well, they're funny, but you know, but they're they're great characters and and it's it's a pity that this is their final appearance.

29:12 Yeah, but I liked what they use Jordie's visor for to get what the shields. What was the shield frequency? The shield frequency? Yeah, to get that so they can shoot right through the shields, and then you get this battle between the two of them, and then the course of the enterprise comes up with you know, let's try to uh access their cloaking device and make them cloak, and then you have we have like hardly any time to be ready to fire at them as soon as they do that. Well, here, let me let me also mention this real quick sister to your opinion. You know, we we we see next film in First Contact. You know, Jordie's has gotten rid of his visor. Do you think that maybe this incident could be one of the reasons, one of the main reasons. I mean, after all, his visor put the ship in danger. Yeah, this could be one of the reasons why he wanted to get rid of it.

30:01 It could be well, and this is this is the last time for that advisor, isn't it. Yeah? Yes, it is. Yeah. Yeah, And it's not the first time that it was used against him, is that right? Because of the episode that we care that we covered, there was a carrier wave that was setting him subliminal signals. That's right. I forgot about that one. Yeah, it's gonna make him a you know, Mainsurian candidate kind of thing again. So yeah, I think I feel like that was probably a relief to LeVar Burden to say, have to wear this anymore. Right, You're gonna have to have contacts that have their own discomfort. But at least there, at least we can see his eyes now finally. Exactly something else in that whole sequence that I couldn't unsee because I'll just jump to the point. Brian Thompson.

30:48 Brian Thompson as one of the cleon helmsman mm hmm. We had seen him before in as office second officer Clagg when Riker was serving on cleon show. Yeah he was. I saw him in the background and I was like, is that Clagg He's still around. And he's site. We talked about him in. Eighty six is Cobra is the night Slasher? But he has a very distinctive look, and it was it was just great to see him again. Yeah. Absolutely. What Another funny moment I'm gonna bring up that happened before this battle is when Data is taking on the bridge and asked him to look for life forms and okay, so bear with me here. So when he sits down and started singing light booms.

31:38 You, I'm telling you, I laughed so hard. I still laughed so hard at that bitch. Even the reaction of the bridge. You were looking at him like what. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite part of that was the little Canasta snap that he does at the end where he's like. Oh, oh good, that is great. It was he had so many moments. And then right after they blow up the Klingon ship, you know, everyone's got that like like looking like wow, we just did it, and it goes on a Data and he just like yes, right, But then as you know, I mean it, it hurts the ship Man. We get to lose Enterprise D here, which was tough to see because come on, guys, Enterprise too is a main character, it really is. And to get to see it get destroyed here, which is another one of my favorite scenes in this movie, that whole crashing sequence as the saucer section is just plowing into that ground. That was amazing.

32:39 Man, that was incredible. And we never seen anything like that in Star Trek before. I was effects and just getting to see the people being thrown around and just you know, the chaos like you see it. Just that was amazing stuff, man, it really was. And it just speaks to how much detail, how much money they were putting into this film. They wanted to look great and they proved it right there. And I think that was even a model on it. That wasn't any FIGI. Now that that was all model. Yeah, because well, you know, most of this TV series was done by a company named amah G, with the exception of the first season that was done by ILM. Well, this film was back again to ILM and they were able to pull out their their six foot model that they built for the fact was that's what we saw, that six foot model because it's the only model that was ever built out could separate. But for the ground they had to build a brain new sauce. They put a twelve inch or twelve inch twelve foot twelve foot saucer section and that was all practical effects, and.

33:41 It looked so good. It does looks great. That's a perfect choice to do that, to go with practical effects, because there is something too, I feel like in the latest watching of this, it gives you a sense of heft and scale yep to this event happening, and how massive the saw section really is. How is we obviously had kind of the abstract concept of space, but in the scale when it's plowing through like a tornado, ripping through miles of a landscape. Hopefully it didn't take away the you know, run Hopefully it didn't run over the entire pre industrial civilization that was emergency of the planet. But I'm sorry one guy coming back with vines in his hands, like what.

34:29 On the flip side too? Talking about visual effects, this is the first time we've ever seen the enterprise d as CGI because that was something they never could do in the TV series you know, ILM. There's the shots in the in space of it warping and everything else. Cgi. Yeah, speaking speaking of Firth, how did you guys feel about data is? Oh shit, I remember, you know, I remember when I was sitting and watching this in the theater. This is the moment everybody laughed. They loved that. That that was funny. I thought it was funny. I loved it too, to great reaching. It gave me nineteen eighty six Transformers of the movie vibes. Yes, that's immediately what came to mind for me.

35:10 I completely agree with that. It does. Yeah, but it even. Like I knew it was coming, and I applauded again watching it to prep for this podcast, because it just it just hits out of nowhere. Plus that's what we're thinking too when that. Yeah, the whole crew would be right yep, without question. Well, as this is going on, obviously, the card is fighting Soren and basically loses and gets taken into the Nexus. Where come on, guys, let's be honest here. I think if you get ripped into the Nexus, and even even Guynan mentions this, that you're not want to go, You're not wanting to leave it, and because it's going to give you everything that you want and she's right. I mean if I was went into the Nexus, I wouldn't want to leave it. I guess your wife's thorn with one to go back, you know. Heck, yeah, I mean, and then Picard gets everything he wants here, man, he gets a wife, he gets kids, he gets Renee back his nephew. I mean, why would you want to leave that?

36:12 But yet Picard still realizes what he needs to do. Yeah. Yeah, it's almost it's almost like an empathetic version of the Black Mercy from the Superman story for the man who has everything right. It's something that's going to wrap you enjoy that you never want to leave. Yeah, as I guess kind of recompense for the fact that it is a massively destructive force that comes through every thirty nine years. Yeah, I guess it's something like that. It was. It was interesting to me how it was, how it was set up, or how they kind of talked about it, because it felt like something they had never encountered before.

36:55 Yet it comes around on a regular basis, just didn't seem to have any kind of you know, background, But right by the same token, when we're when we're pulled into the Nexus with Kirk, this is where it starts to become a little tough to follow. And I will say when I first saw this, I had a hard time distinguishing between Gynon in the real world and Echo Gyndon and what exactly was going on, which I think was intentional. But there was a lot of squirrel kind of logic in that nexus sequences of stuff to follow. That's right, it was because I mean it I still kind of think about because she said even he got here, he feels like he just got here, you know, And that's Kurt that she's talking about, right, But it's like, but that was like eighty years ago. I'm confused.

37:43 I guess there's no time. That time doesn't really mean anything in there, you know, whether you're there for a long time or you just derived it's it's it's very odd concept. It's kind of hard to get your head around. Yeah, I was just gonna say, it's it's kind of interesting that, you know. I'm pretty sure Guynon never encounters Kirk on the enterprise, right, so when we meet him, he's chopping wood. It seems like he's just gotten here, and that's what Guynon even says, But she has knowledge of him and historical contexts and awareness of him, So it's possible that they had some kind of interaction within the nexus, but he just doesn't remember it. You know. It's that whibley wobbly timey Wayne.

38:24 Kind of thing too. But it also seems set up kind of an interesting idea for the Echo Guyan that if this thing comes through every thirty nine years, chances are it's probably gonna encounter somebody else again or swoop somebody into the neck in nexus. That she's going to encounter every future iteration, every future visitor there, but it's all from the perspective of who she was at that time. Yeah, that's true. That's a good point, but it was it was needed to get Kirk and Picard together though, you know, and if the Card doing his best to talk Kirk into realizing this is your duty. You know, you have to come back and help me basically, you know that's who you are. But then you know, Kirk once says day where he's at, I don't blame him, I would too, until he realizes that it's not real of what he's feeling of what's going on around him, which leads them to the final fight with Sren you know, we obviously lose Kirk in good fashion, and I'm my understanding as they had to redo that, did they not wane?

39:30 Yes, they did. It was a very quick and different ending and it did not test very well with with the uh, the audiences that that saw it. So they went back almost four months later, it was like about about a month and a half before the release of the film, and reshot the ending, made it longer, made it more exciting, you know, and it tested better. Yeah, because I think originally wasn't Sorren shoots Kirk in the back yescorn. I think it was the. Yes and he blew up, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was too quick it for you know, your after two hours of the film then you know, boom, it's all over with the now. Yeah, that wouldn't have worked, and I agree with the test audience on that one. Thank god they changed it.

40:13 But it seems like it seems like they also had this intentional setup that you've got Picard, who is not as physical captain as Kirk is, so to give Kirk more physical kind of opportunities in this not just you know, duking it out with Soren, but also his you know, he's able to roll with the bridge. He's able to jump and leap and do all these physical things that were kind of used to Kirk doing. And a more heroic death than just getting shot exactly. Yeah, which is very emotional that we have to see that ending. All right, well, let's take another break, guys, we would come back. We'll go behind the scenes and continue our discussions.

40:59 All right, everybody, welcome back to Faser Set the Sun as we continue our discussion of card Trek generations. Any interesting behind the scene guys that you found or wanted to talk about. There are a couple of things, and I'd like to hear your opinion on one of them too. Let's talk about the Enterprise d You know, we've seen it for seven years and it was originally designed by Herman Zimmerman. And he came back and redid the bridge set. You know, he added computer consoles, He raised the captain's chair off the floor. I don't know if you knowed there was a step there. He reworked the ceiling because he'd always been unhappy with the some of the original designs. Of course, they were designed for television. Now we've film, they had to you know, hide the imperfections, you know, create more details.

41:45 But in my opinion, it was like the Enterprise was on low power the entire time. The lights were way too dark or for all this that's especially the scenes and ten forward, it was almost as if guying in turn and all the lights off, you know, like I guess it was last Call or something. I liked some of the mood lighting because it allowed only the lighting coming through the windows from whatever was outside. But it just it seems such a weird contrast to what we saw for the last seven years. Because in the TV series everything was bright. I mean, you know, there was hardly any dark corners on that ship. Now at times it's it's almost a little too dark. I understand that points what they're trying to do. They're giving it that cinematic look.

42:29 I just think they went a little bit too far. I agree they did go a little bit too far. And I think because the bridge of the Enterprise in this one looked almost like Yesterday's Enterprise where you get that really dark yes to it, you know, And I do agree with you on to a point on that. I mean, I like the cinematic lighting, but I think it was too much. I think I just think it was a little bit too dark. I definitely understand it could add it that bright. Like the TV series is a whole different type of shooting when you're shooting from film to oh yeah, TV show, So they had to they had to change that. It just it just becomes a little distracting when when they're all walking around looking like they're going to bump into one other things, you can't see where they're going. And then there's one other thing I wanted to mention that most people may not know about this, and that's the costumes, which a lot of people wanted, you know, what the heck's going on with the costumes? They look, you know, why are they wearing these? Some are wearing Deep Space nine costumes, some are wearing the regular next generation costumes.

43:22 That wasn't originally their intention. Robert Blackman, who designed the costumes for the TV series, he had always intended to do new uniforms for the film because they have a larger budget, they can create new uniforms because it's expensive, you know, so they need the larger budget. And plus they were going to create these uniforms that they could use for Deep Space nine too, and they were going to use the budget on the film for that, however, And they designed these beautiful uniforms. They were, they're incredible. Their three piece suit had a division color undershirt, black pants, and then a wrap around like tu nic style jacket with had ring pips on the lapel and as well as the rank braiding on the on the cuffs just like the original series had. And they are they were very sharp looking, and the casts looked looked darn good at them when they're standing up. But when they started filming, and they did film with these, they ran into a lot of practical problems. Uh, the jackets tend to ride up considerably to the point where they were right up against their chin every time they sat down or or or lying down, and and there was nothing, no amount of the card maneuver could fix this. So they shot a couple of scenes. They shot the scenes with Jordi being interrogated by Soren, and they shot the h the sick Bay scenes with with Crusher and Riker and Jordy and them, and they just they realized it wasn't going to work. They just they just weren't going to work.

44:52 It's you know, So they had to quickly, very quickly come up with a solution and they brought back the old uniforms. They they borrowed some of the Deep Space nine uniforms. I believe Jonathan Franks was wearing Avery Brooks uniform and LeVar Burton was wearing Colemini's, so you know, that's that's why their uniforms are like that, and because it was done so late in the day. Unfortunately, some of the stuff that was originally coming out before the film shows these uniforms, and the big one being the playmate's action figures. If you go and get any of the action figures for Star Trek generations, they're all wearing these these different uniforms. It's it's I mean, it's kind of neat seeing on me. But they never we never saw those uniforms on screen. Plus there's also an action figure of Kirk in his skydiving uniform too, which made it to the film. But see, yeah, I always love it story. It's a pity that they weren't able to use them because they are beautiful uniforms and the lower decks uniforms are actually based on these designs.

45:58 Interesting, yeah, I remember reading about that. I thought it's interesting to think of the fact that Raker is wearing Cisco's uniform and the fact he had to roll up his sleeves because it was too long for him. Yeah, of course, next film, you know, they finally got to make uniforms that worked, and then those uniforms were carried over to D Space nine. So it all worked out in first contact. But you know, this this was a trial run. You know, it all worked out. It was anything from me, Scott anything behind the scenes. Well, it kind of I mean, I guess it's uniform ad Jason Troy's burned backside. Oh yeah, So apparently during the battle with the Kligands, when Troy is at the helm, there was a lot of debris that was flying around and some was burning debris, and it happened to land on her seat as she was coming back down on it.

46:51 So you can still see the cut in the film. It actually cuts away right before she sits on the chair. She wasn't badly injured, but they continue their film to see it afterwards. I imagine that probably wasn't very comfortable, very kay, that kind of scene. I didn't know that. I'm gonna have to watch for that now. All right, Ouch, that's sure, what a. No. You guys hit on pretty much on the ones I really wanted to talk about. Uh. The only one other interesting one that I have is so when this movie came out in ninety four, I actually saw this why I was filming Andersonville, uh in Georgia and some of the people who were working on the film and I we went to see this movie. You know, we were all Star Trek fans and you wanted to see it.

47:35 Well. To our surprise, as we got to the end this movie, we're watching the credits roll, we realized Bud Davis was the stunt coordinator for Star Trek Generations. And it turns out we knew Bud Davis because Bud Davis was working on Andersonville with us as the stunt coordinator. Wow. So it's kind of nice to When we went back to the set the next day, we went, hey, Bud, we see that you worked on Star Trek Generations. He's like, yeah, I sure did. And he was telling us some stories about Car I mean, about William Shatner and something how nice William Shatton was on the set and stuff like that. So that was kind of cool to get that connection to Generations. There's oh yeah, that's great. Yeah, but Davis has done a ton of stuff. If you're looking up on dB, that man has been very busy over the years. He's not with us anymore, but he did a lot of stuff in Hollywood. It was kind of nice to get to talk to somebody who had actually.

48:21 Worked on Starter. Absolutely. Oh, let's talk about some what ifs, guys, So we've already mentioned some of them as we've been talking. One of the things that I found very interesting is was Marlon Brando really considered foreign Really? I mean, Dave, you and I have talked about Superman, We've talked about Apocalypse. Now. I wouldn't wish that on this trip. No, not at all. I just I don't know nineteen ninety four, Marlon Brando, I just don't. I can't see it. I just don't mean neither. Not as much moving around as Malcolm Dow had to do. I mean, they could have changed it for him, but it would not have worked in my opinion, no.

49:03 Way, not at all. Yeah, anything that would be oh yeah, absolutely, Malcolm, it down all the. Way for sure. Well. I had some you know, not necessarily alternate casting, but just some kind of things that came to mind, what if wise, we see later in Pocard season three that Kirk's body is kept at Daystrim Institute, and at first that kind of struck me as odd, like, aside from historical significance, what could they possibly want from his body that might be interesting to think of it based on this Nexus event. So he's somebody that went into the Nexus and came back out of it. It doesn't seem like the Nexus is necessarily classified because data talks about it instill their cartography. But I wonder if maybe they wanted to keep his real death something that's kept secret and possibly keep that body for future study. Althole the same token might be interested in Guiden. But yeah, that's.

49:57 A unique angle, Scott, I didn't think about that. Yeah, I never thought of it that way either, good call. The other one. That was kind of, you know, something to think about or something to ponder. So Picard's loss of his family is obviously crushing. We've talked about that before he appears, and I thought it was kind of an odd choice to have him appear at Christmas. But there's there's a lot of light, and there's a lot of confusion, there's a lot of you know, wrapping up joy in kind of a holiday event, right. I wonder if it's possible that we're seeing a scene if he had made a different choice in the family episode. So if because it looks like the Renee character, even though it's a different.

50:41 I think that's actually what they were going for, because wasn't the woman supposed to be his wife? Yeah, and if it looks like Renee is it's a different cast casting choice for the character Renee, But it seems like it's a probably at the same age. So are we possibly seeing something where obviously it would be years after because he buried and has several kids, but something that kind of takes that to the extreme, Like thinking back to the the the discussion he had with his brother and the choice that he almost made, it feels like that's almost like a what if? Yeah, good Man never thought of that. Yeah, yeah, get deep on it. If here, Scott, I like you anything for you Wayne.

51:26 Other than what we mentioned. And you know, I've seen the deleted scenes. You know, we talked a little bit about them, and it's interesting to think of the film with all these deleted seities, and there were quite a few of them actually, not just the ones we mentioned, but uh, you know the ones that uh there's one little rather lengthy scene in the sick bay after they get Jordie back that's was taken out and covered with just captain's log with a with a quick shot of that was you reused from the TV series. It's an interesting thought to if you included all these scenes, it does kind of change the the tone of the film and definitely changes the pacing of the film. That's yeah, that's my wife's thinking, you know, of what could have been included in this film.

52:15 Yeah. Cool, Well, let's talk about the score. Guys. We all know that we always love talking about music of films. Wayne, I know you do you know this was done by Dennis McCarthy, and guys, I thought he did a fantastic job. And he did, he did. I really enjoyed the score. It hit where it needed to. But yeah, it was very enjoyable for sure. He created some good themes, good themes that that were. He didn't just reuse music that he'd written, and he'd been written writing for Next Generation since day one. He worked on Encounter Farpoints, but he created all new themes for this this movie. He would go on and use a lot of them in Do Space nine. But you know this is he had a much larger orchestra Who's here than then what was normally used in the TV series.

53:03 And this is the first time that a composer used a choir in a Star Trek score. I love choir, you know that, Yeah. I know you do, yes, And he did a wonderful job. It's great in this score. Very It's subtle, but you know, it makes a lovely background to his pieces. You know, he created three new themes for this, and he used Alexander Courage's original series fanfare through it. The only the only thing that I his he decided not to use Jerry Goldsmith's theme, and I I think that was a mistake. The only thing that I would criticize his score was only because I'm such a huge Jerry Goldsmith fan. But you know what, Hey, they'll fix that next film.

53:44 Yes they will, of course. Yeah, I feel like it could have It could have been an interesting addition at the end, right, Yeah, after we've kind of passed the baton and Kirk has gone on to have that play and just a mawledgement like okay, it's the next Generations show. From now on. Yeah, but you know saying that too. Though I love his end credits. I think he wrote an incredibly wonderful end credits suite. So yeah, I'm not following that because it is fantastic. It really not absolutely All right, let's talk about some Easter eggs. Wayne, did you find anything interesting in the film, because you're so good at this?

54:24 Oh yeah, well, first of all, and I was gonna mention this earlier. This film is set. It takes place one year after the events of the finale of the Next Generation all good things. You know, that's kind of important. There's a little bit of time between the two. This was also will be Goldberg's first appearance for a while, you know, since season six is Suspicions. You know, they had originally had her, was going to have her come back in Deep Space nine second season, an episode called Rivals, but she wasn't available, And it's in that episode where her race is first identified. The l or excuse me, l alarn it's you know a lot of people think it's this film. No, it was actually in this episode of Deep Space nine. Let's see, we talked about Tim Russ. Ye, let's here's why Bicard, Riker, Data, and LaForge are the only four characters of the main cast to wear those Deep Space nine uniforms in the film, and the only female was Alyssa Galla, who also you know, she's from the series. She makes an appearance in here too. That's yeah.

55:37 And this I I read this one. I didn't. I never heard this before, but I thought it was rather funny. Captain Picard's chair was stolen, the one off the bridge, just hours before they were beginning to shoot this film. They had to quickly cobble something up, you know, to get to be able to film. Yeah, you know. And and by the way, they have found it. I just saw this the other day. It's actually if listeners, if you don't know, we're actually recording this the same weekend as San Diego Comicon. It's actually on display at the comic con right now. It has been found and you know, good. I'm glad they found it. I wonder I'd love to know the story of what happened.

56:19 Yes, please tell us the story. Someone boring mines. I want to know. They've got some red shirt security officers just positioned. Around it, and the only other East Egg this isn't so much for the film, but of some of the merchandise when Generations was novelized by J. M. Ballard. The hardcover was released on December one, nineteen ninety four, but he wrote it before the reshoots was done, so the hardback version of the book. If you ever curious about the original ending, read the book, the hardback book. It's there. That's the original ending. But if you got the paperback, he went and rewrote it so that it match the one ass filmed.

57:02 Yeah. Interesting, it's interesting he went back and did that just for the the paperback. There's one minder thing that I caught and Wayne, you'll have to keep me honest. There's a batlith in Kirk's house. Yes there is. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. By I forgot about that. I don't remember ever being given a batlith on screen. And my theory is, if that's wrong, my theory is that after Undiscovered Country, when he finally had you know, that that moment of moving on with the Klingons and having such an important role in what happened there, that maybe he was ceremoniously given that bad lath as kind of an honorary would be for his work there.

57:48 That would be Yeah, that would be a good backstory for that. But I'll baffle you even more. That same scene where you see that bathlet, for some odd reason, there's a Jimidar weapon hanging near it. Now how he got that, I don't know. Jem the door got into the next sus and sneak into his house just to mess it him. Oh interesting, that's cool, all right. So favorite moments guys, Scott, what about. You in that in that kind of area, Kirk making breakfast. I don't know why, but I've always loved seeing him making the eggs, his little joke wer he says, dill like easy, buddy, But you know, chopping the wood, making the breakfast. It's that. It's where that squirrel logic seemed to hit most for me for the with the nexus.

58:39 But interesting, how you know when Kirk is there, he knows that it's the day he decided to go back to Starfleet. He's going to change his mind. Then it quickly goes to wait, this is the day that I met so I can do it all right. From the beginning, it was just great to see him in those moments. Yeah, Wayne, what about you. Well, I mentioned the one earlier about the scene with the card and Troy when he breaks down about hearing his his family. But and I love the open sesame scene. But I'm going to I'm going to have to say personally, the crash scene is just phenomenal. The lead up to the crash scene, the the evacuation of the star drive section, the wave, the whole thing is filmed, and then the explosion that I mean, it happens so fast. It's not something that you you know that you have time to build up. When the explosion happens, it's it's a real shock.

59:35 You know. They had barely enough time to get away. And I love how the whole thing was structured, from from the beginning of the evacuation all the way to when the saucer section comes to a rest on the on the planet. Wonderful scene and so shocking when we saw it. I'm I'm going to completely one agree with you on this, Wayne, that is the entire sequence is my favorite piece of the of the whole film, because they left this for something gigantic cinematic wise to give us, and that's exactly what they did. They delivered an epic scene for Star Trek the Next Nation fans, and they had to. Like I mentioned earlier, Enterprise D is a character of this series.

1:00:19 We fell in love with that ship. It's just as much a part of the show as the crew is. And if you're going to destroy it, you're going to kill it, you need to do it in some epic way. And they did it in an epic way. Yeah. Let me expand on what you're thinking right there with a what if. The original idea to do this was first planned to be this season sixth finale. HM. Now think of what if, what would have happened? How would it have been if we would have lost the Enterprise in season six. I would be neat to get another Enterprise after that.

1:00:59 But I don't think they could have pulled it off with a budget they had. Yeah, I mean, wait, you're right, you're absolutely I don't think they could have done it. But I think it would have been one of the worst mistakes they could have ever made because having to start with a new ship for one more season. Yeah, for just one season, we wouldn't have had that familiarity like we had with the D. Yeah. And then when they went to the films, we wouldn't have cared so much when it happened here in this film. They did the right thing by holding it off for this film. I completely agree. Yeah, well, and I think it would have been tough to explain how you know, there would be a significant time jump then between from one season to the next, because it's not like they have this valley of parking lot of Galaxy class starships. They could just be like, oh, the runtle over here and share, right, sir, that's the keys.

1:01:47 Yeah, guys, if you could, we've done this before and changing the world and those kinds of things. I thought it'd be interesting to do it here. If you could be anyone in the film, who would it be? And why? Wayne? Oh wow, that's that's a really hard question. But I think I think I'm gonna say. Data, get off my notes. Only because you know, we watched for seven years of him struggling to understand humanity, understand being being human and humor, and now with this chip, he has opened up a completely new world for himself to explore. And yeah, it's a rough start, but think of all the fun him and the crew is going to have. I mean, we had fun watching it, so I just yeah, I've got to say data, Yeah.

1:02:38 Scott, what about you? But then you don't have to drink that revolting drink that he hates. That comedy highlight For me, I. Forgot about this scene. Yes, I love that. More. Please, I was gonna surprise what I answered, what I thought of it. But Captain Kirk, so paraphrase one of his last lines, it was fun. It seemed like every sequence he's involved in looks like it would be a lot of fun to film or for the character to be in, even things that are as simple as chopping wooden, cooking breakfast, which gave me that kind of Captain Pike vibes from the strange New Worlds. But the horseback riding, the climbing through engineering, and obviously that one last action scene, it looked like he was having fun throughout and I was happy to see that for him, For this kind of a character coming out of the Nexus, leaving behind joy, it didn't seem like he was dying in despair. Yeah, he was dying exactly how he thought you should.

1:03:39 I agree. Yeah, that's a good thing. But for me, again, everyone Wayne's reading my notes, OKAYO know, I agree with you again. Wayne is definitely Data for me. He's come a long way getting to see him get to this point. But can you imagine, can you imagine if you've never had emotions ever and you finally get them for the first time, what that experience, what that feeling would be? Yea, and humor would where you would probably want to go too quickly. And it's exactly where Data went. And he was some very good comic relief in this movie, and I'm glad we had it because it again we got to see the comic side of Brince Spiner, who is really good at comedy. Yes, and I'm glad that he got to show that in this film. And yes, I agree, it would be Data fla for sure.

1:04:28 We love Data. We love the character, and we get he expands. We got to see his adventure from Encounter Far Apart all the way to the end of the Card season three, and how much he's grown. It's just we love Brince Spiner. We love Data. Yeah, yeah, Well he runs the game out of emotions, going from the laughing scene all the way to the end where he finds the spot and has overcome. Oh yeah, that spot. It is great and I think you know, it's possible that if Troy had kind of looked over and seen that, she would have just like type of to the combats and say, like, clear my schedule for the next six months. I'm going to ask is going to be on my couch? No other patients? This will take a bit. Yeah, so they ask you guys, have you, guys ever seen on YouTube the Star Trek regenerations, the Roddenberry Archive.

1:05:16 So go watch this, listeners, go watch this. It is a short done by a fan and it shows the saft refection being you know, ships are coming in to try to pick it up and you see a a someone's arriving. You see you see. This person go to the grave of Captain Kirk and it turns out to be Spocke. Yeah, that's fantastic. It is really good addition that, you know, incredibly done by by a fan. So if listeners, if you've not seen this, go look it up on YouTube. It is incredible, very touchy.

1:05:57 It's it's so beautifully done. Whoever did that? You know, Bravo? It's incredible. Yeah, it really really is. All right, listeners, tell us what your favorite part of this film was. Who was your favorite character and were you just as excited as we were when this crew made the leap to the big screen. Let us know by sending an email to a Film by Podcast at gmail dot com, or reach us online at a film by podcast dot com, or follow us on all social media platforms. And if you're looking for more exclusive content and swag, send some Latinum our way through Patreon. See you next time for another episode of Phasers set to Stan