Feb. 11, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan
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Season 6Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! Our crew is back on the bridge to discuss the Star Trek film that is arguably the fan-favorite, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, listeners, and welcome to an all new episode of

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Phaser Sect to Stun, where we continue to show our

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love for everything Star Trek in this ongoing series from

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a film by podcast focusing on every system of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise,

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and much more. Plotting your course on this voyage is

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your Core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whiten, I'm David.

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Burns, yet I'm Skyt Hoffman.

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And today we're taking a shuttle back to the nineteen eighties,

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nineteen eighty two to be exact, and taking a close

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and detailed look at the second entry into the Star

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Trek film franchise, Star Trek two, The Wrath of Khan.

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This is the second film to start the original series

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cast and was written by Harv Bennett and Jack B.

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Sowards and directed by Nicholas Mayer Scott. Why don't you

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give Us a short summary of the film.

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Time is catching up with James T. Kirk, a past

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that haunts's future is coming to bear in more ways

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than one. He's celebrating his birthday as an admiral, inspecting

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an updated enterprise that's been infused with new cadets who

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are being trained by Captain Spock. Inspections are cut short

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when a mysterious call comes from an old flame, Carol Marcus.

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She's developing a terraforming technology that creates life from lifelessness,

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or in the wrong hands, decimates all life on a

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world to create a new one in its place. She

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thinks Kirk has ordered Starfleet to steal Genesis from her,

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which he hasn't, but the USS Reliant is on its

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way to do just that. This is all part of

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an intricate trap set by Kahn, a genetically augmented villain

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from the original series who seeks revenge on Kirk for

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maruining him on the healthscape of SETI Alpha Vive. As

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he faces off against Kahn, Kirk meets his own grown

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son he never knew he had as he fights to

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save his crew and his family from obliteration under the

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tyranny of Khan. This movie is an action packed adventure

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that revitalized the franchise and set a high bar for

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all movies to follow.

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Now, while Star Trek the Motion Picture was a financial

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success for Paramount, it was heavily panned by critics and fans.

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The executives of Paramount wanted to change for the second film,

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which meant this series creator Gene Roddenberry was forced out

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of the sequel's production. Now, we're all very familiar with

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this film. It's no secret that it's most Star Trek

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fans favorite. So let's talk about it. David. We'll hear

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from you first.

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Well, I mean, you kind of really touch base on this.

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A lot of Star Trek fans consider this to be

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the the best Star Trek of all the films. I

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think Undiscovered Country is the best, but this is a

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very close second in my opinion, and it clearly has

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the most memorable scenes of any Star Trek film. Oh yeah,

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you know, with with you know, Kurt, you know, streaming

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Cohn to the death of Spock. You can't get beyond

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those scenes. You cannot think of the wrath of con

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without thinking of those scenes right away. What I loved

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about this film is it did indeed bring back Star

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Trek to me a kid, as a kid, you know,

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because I mean, don't get me wrong, motion picture was

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a great film and that we discussed this when you

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talked about motion Picture that you know, twelve year old

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me wasn't a fan of the motion picture. But as

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an adult I am. Whereas this one when it came out,

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I was thrilled because it felt like that Star Trekking

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that I saw in reruns, you know, the the Kirk,

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the spot. All of them were back in where they

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needed to be. And you had a true villain in

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this one with Kahan, and you know, Ricardo Montabon was

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absolutely stunning as con as a villa. Yeah, in this

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film when he gets that reveal of of who it is,

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even when Chekhov realizes where they're at and he realizes,

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oh my god, get out of here. This is the

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Botany Bay. We gotta go, We gotta go, and it

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was too late of course by that point. But then

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the reveal to Kirk when he comes on screen and

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he sees who it is, with the reliant, incredible moments.

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Man, I love this film.

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Yeah. For me, it's my first dip into Star Trek

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and I imagine there's a lot of people in our

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generation that that's true. Like I had not seen the

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original series. I was kind of tangentially aware of it,

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but had never necessarily sat down to watch it until this.

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I'm pretty sure I saw it at home on VA

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or on HBO or wherever it had happened to be,

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but I was immediately hooked. This one has so much

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more accessibility and reach, I would say, than the motion picture.

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At the point where it came out, you know, they

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were already part of popular culture, so you kind of

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had an idea for at least Kirkans back walking into it.

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They very quickly get you familiar with everybody you need

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to know. At the time when I saw it, I

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had no context for Khan, so I just trusted Chekhov's

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scared reaction. Aside from the fact that they just dip

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you right into not only the action, but a bit

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of the terror and intrigue. I think we're seeing a

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lot of influence from something like Alien in this one,

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where as a kid, there were a lot of places

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where it was scary to watch, like when they get

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onto the Genesis station and they discover the dead bodies,

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like there's stings of music where I was just like,

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holy crap, I'm gonna see like dead bodies and stuff

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like this is horrific. So I think it appeals to

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so many people. It was a great follow up to

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the motion picture to kind of prove that this can

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this can appeal to people who are not just fans.

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There's a lot of people that kind of get into

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this universe.

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And I mentioned the earworms come on man.

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Oh yeah, no, no, no day nasty.

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Yeah. I was very similar to what you said, Scott.

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This was my first introduction to Star Trek. I didn't

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see the motion picture in theaters, but I did see

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Star Trek two, and you know, I was a big fan.

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I was Star Wars, a Battlestar Galactica fan. That was

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me growing up. So I was used to these space

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battles and we got that in this film and I

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loved it. I mean I took to it right away,

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and I remember coming home afterwards and you couldn't buy

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There was no merchandise with this, and they didn't have

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any spaceships or anything. So I made my own out

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of clay nice and would do the space battles that way.

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I mean it really had a great impact on I'll

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see how old I've been, about ten years old at

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the time, so you know, it's a great film. It

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everything that they I love the motion picture, don't even wrong.

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I love that film. It's one of my favorites. I

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fluctuate back and forth between what's my favorite Star Trek film?

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You ask me every week, it's going to be different,

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but this is always high on the list. It is

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everything that they did that people consider were wrong with

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Star Trek the motion picture they did right with this film.

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You know, they corrected their mistakes and made a film

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that's not just for Star Trek fans, but for the

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viewer that has no idea about Star Trek, like ten

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year old me. It's a great film. It's not just

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a great Star Trek film. It's a great film. And

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wasn't it recently It wasn't it recently voted to be

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go into the what I can't think the motion picture

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archives or whatever that's called. Yes, it is true for

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great American cinema.

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Yeah, without question. And as as we know, Jerry Goldsmith

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did not do the music for the for this movie

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just because of the They didn't want Jerry Goldsmith and

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he was busy too.

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He was too expensive.

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He was too expensive, Yes, and they wanted to go

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with really an.

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Unknown who was cheap.

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And what we all know James Horner, now we do,

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who did a really good job with this score. Might

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only complaint with this score is it sounds too much

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like Battle Beyond the Stars, which he did in nineteen eighty. Yes,

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so there, But it fits this movie perfectly, So don't

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get me wrong. I don't want to pick on it

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because I love James Warner. Whane, you know I love

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James Warner.

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Oh yes it is.

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I have almost all of his scores, and unfortunately, you know,

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we lost him, you know, quite a few years ago.

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But I think he did a fantastic job with the

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score in this Did you guys know he's in this movie?

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That's right, I forgot about that. Yep.

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He is one of the guys running down the hallway

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right before they battle con right before they're they're lifting

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up the sidewalk kind of thing. Not sidewalk, but you

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know these metal great grates for the tory for the torpedo,

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but the photo of torpedo. He was running down the

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hallway right before that scene. But yeah, no, I think

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James Horner.

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Did a really good job with this. Oh he did,

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you know the action.

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Sound and James Horner loves the anvil. You hear that

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in a lot of his scores. And I know we're

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gonn talk a bit more about his score a little bit.

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Later, but I just wanted to point that out. It's

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a highlight of the film. It is, and there's so

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many different things. And this is also they changed the

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visual effects company this. The visual effects was done by

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Industrial Light Magic, who at the time was just really

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I mean, they've done Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back,

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but they hadn't really branched out to do other films.

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So this was their first thing doing other than Star Wars,

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and they are the best, and they showed that they

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are the best in the business with the effects. They're incredible.

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You've reused a lot of effects from the should picture

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because they had to, they had to save money exactly.

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But what they came out that battle in the guitar

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and Nebula is amazing.

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It is very suspenseful and it puts you on the

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edge of your seats.

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Yeah, well, I get so. I mean, like when you're

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talking about James Horner and the kind of the variety

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of things that you get in this movie, which, to

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say the least, is the return of the fun Kirk. Yes,

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I think in a motion picture we got kind of

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the subdued, You didn't get that suave debonair kind of

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you know, almost comedic action from him. And the range

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of the plot is echoed in the range of the score.

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You get the terror, you get that action and adventure,

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you get the light moments like when they're in the

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Genesis Cave, even though it seems like it should be

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one of the tense moments. He's asking for an apple,

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he's huggy. So there's a lot of great range in

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this and I think that goes back to the accessibility

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of it. It shows how much range there is in

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a start to movie.

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Yeah, because that was one of the big complaints about

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the motion picture is that a lot of people felt

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that the characters were rather cold to themselves. They weren't

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there weren't the type of characters that they remember from

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the original series. And I know we discussed that on

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our motion picture postcast, that there had been years between

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where they had you know, these characters have never seen

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one another, so I, you know, put it up as that.

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But here now we got another time jump. I don't

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know if it's I think it's close to like ten

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years time jump between the motion picture and this. But

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now they've been been with each other for a long time.

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So now we've got that friendship, that that that you know,

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chemistry that we saw with the original series right here,

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and it's fantastic. We finally get the characters that we

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remember from the sixty series.

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This movie does such a great job of two reveals.

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One is when Kirk is revealed after they do the

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tath with FABC, when you know, you get that filhouette

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shot of him with the light behind him.

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I love that reveal of him.

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I thought that was an absolutely incredible to an introduction

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to his character in this movie. The second reveal is

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obviously con He gets revealed twice though, which is fantastic,

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once to check Off and then once to Kirk Kirk's.

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Kirk's reaction to that was just phenomenal when he sees

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him pop up.

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In the screen.

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I mean, wouldn't you be the guy's been gone for

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fifteen years and you just put him out of your

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mind because you thought you would never see him again

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and here he is, holy crap, and he's got a

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he's got the reliant. So, you know, that was a

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really cool scene. And going back to what you were

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discussing way that these characters really felt like their characters again,

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you really had that depth of characters between McCoy and Spock. Again,

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we had a little bit in the motion picture, but

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in this one you had a lot more of that,

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and it felt genuine and real, just like it did

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in the TV show.

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One of the lines that.

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I absolutely love is when Spot to Jim be careful

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and McCoy leans and he goes, we will.

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We will be love. Oh yeah, Well, and that's, you know,

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getting back to what you were saying earlier about you

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get to see the relationship between them kind of be kindled.

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That happens immediately in the Kobashi Muru, which is a

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brilliant way to start it. I think that's something that

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comes up a lot in this movie, but also it's

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echoed through the rest of the franchise. But they in

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that simulation, they're all kind of powling around like Gym's like,

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aren't you supposed to be dead? To shop to Spock. Yeah,

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and soon After that, you get the exchange of presents,

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right the romulant ale, the glasses, the dialogue you have

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between them, you immediately get the connectivity throughout. Not to

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mention Scotty, which I think there are two different ways

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to see this movie depending on how it's cut, whether

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we find out that his nephew is part of the

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engineering crew or we don't. I think without that reveal,

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it's interesting to see Scotty carry his nephew's body onto

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the bridge because then you're reading it as he cares

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so much for these cadets. He's gotten so close to

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these cadets that he sees him as one of his own,

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so he's heartbroken at this loss. You got a different

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kind of death when you find out that it's his nephew,

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and it's kind of hinting at the future, like you've

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got generations being passed on, you've got them moving on

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and kind of welcoming that new crew and knowing that

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they're already that close. It's just the relationship, that connectivity

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that we see in things like Straight New Worlds that

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adds more death to Star Trek.

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Even his line when they were in the medical bay

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with him and he was dying and Scott, mister Scott

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was like he stated his post when the trainees ran, Yeah,

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broke just broke your heart.

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Man, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, you get it.

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Talking about the the opening sequences, I think that's just

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a fantastic way of opening the film. With the Kobeyashi

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Maru scene. I mean, you got you got this ship.

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We don't know which ship it is. You know, you

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got this crew we've never met before, and they're being

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attacked by the Klingons, and then all of a sudden

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it's you discovered that it's just a training maneuver, and

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you get Kirk spot McCoy as we originally remembered them,

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and this this great sequence about his birthday. What a

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fantastic way of opening this film and showing everyone that, hey,

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this is the Star Trek that you guys wanted, this

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is what you remember. It's perfect.

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I really appreciated, and I believe there were stuff that

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went on behind the scenes with the script and stuff

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like that about an aging about an aging Kirk. Yeah,

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and at first they didn't want that they wanted I

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think with William Shatner, who didn't want that right at first.

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Yeah, he was a little worried about.

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Age, but it works in this film. It does so well,

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even with the whole glasses thing, when when he's on

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the bridge and he's trying to hide his conversation with

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Kahn who's on the screen, and he's pulling his glasses

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out and kind of like looking around a little bit

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like he's kind of embarrassed of pulling his glasses out,

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you know, because he needed them to see. I love

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that we need to see an aging Kurt because he is,

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for crying out loud. He's been out there running around

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the galaxy fighting and you know it, going on journeys

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and adventures, and you need to see that. And I'm

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glad they went that route.

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I really am. Well, let's talk about a little bit

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out the changes that they made in this film. The

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big one is the uniforms. What do you think about

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these uniforms compared to the ones that the motion picture had.

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I think it's a I think it's an upgrade. Yeah,

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for sure. You don't have the unfortunate below the below

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the belt buckle kind of situation. Yeah, to say it delicately,

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but I mean it has so much texture and so

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many layers to it. Uh, there's the added kind of

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effect to the action where you see Jim kind of

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unbuckle lapel or whatever, so it folds over right and

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you've got like blood stains apparently that occasionally they kind

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of appear. I think it adds a lot of interest

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to it, and it definitely modernized it for a new generation.

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Yeah, I completely agree with you on that, Scott. I

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love the uniforms on this. I think it was a

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great addition. They felt more like a command crew of

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a navy ship. You know, obviously they're in space, but

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you know, you still have that same kind of vibe

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going on, and it really felt like that to me

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a lot more and again it felt more like Star

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Trek because of that.

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Yeah, I mean that's what they were going for too.

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They were going for that, that that naval look and style.

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There there were a lot of fans that were against that.

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They they didn't like the style and you know, of

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the new uniforms, and felt that they went too far

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away from the original series. But I think they're they're fantastic.

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They look really sharp. Yeah, I know. They they've been

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dubbed the Monster Monster Maroon uniforms, and for poor old cosplayers,

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they are incredibly difficult to reproduce because of the unusual

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materials and styles that was used to make them.

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And they keep these always through six and farther and farther.

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But it just mean for the O G crew because actually, yeah,

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they're in it in generations too, aren't they coming?

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Yeah?

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All right, yeah, you're right.

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Well, and speaking of costumes, you've got Con and his

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mad Max vibes with a you know, b Arthur Stell mullet.

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But really showing the chest there too. Oh yeah, really him.

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You got to be proud of it, right, you're sixty

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and you're rocking those packs. Go ahead, yep, yep. But

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all the little details like the little skeletal glove that

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he's got wearing the belt buckle of a killed crew

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member is a kind of a mister T kind of thing. Yeah,

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it's it was really cool to see somebody who doesn't

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belong in that future that is kind of staying alive

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with the scraps coming back and just kicking their butts,

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like they should have listened to Savoc. I'm sorry, they

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should have listened to Savac and put up to the shields,

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but got caught with their bridges down.

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So and here's another new addition to this film. We

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got Kirsty Ally as Savag. What were your thoughts on her?

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I wish we had seen more of Savak. I think

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she did a great job. I think it was a

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good idea to have some infusion of some new talent.

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It reminds me a lot of Kim Katroll's character in

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The Undiscovered Country, which we'll talk about a little bit

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later in the what ifs. I'm glad that her character continued.

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I think we had a great continuation of that character

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in Star Trek three. But knowing that Kirsty Ally was

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a fan of Star Trek that should go to bed

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as a kid wearing the spot ears.

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She did that too all filming the movie too.

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Right, like that's a fan that But I think she

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did great.

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When when I learned all that, it's like, Wow, She's

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like the Tommy Newsome of this age, the of the

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o G you know, so I I appreciate that more.

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But I actually loved her character. I wish we had

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gotten a whole lot more of her. And my understanding

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is they thought that she would possibly replace Spock because.

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They're gonna kill Spock off is what they intended.

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But then of course Paramount snuck in that little tidbit

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at the end with with you know, his casket, which

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I which I find amusing, by the way, because Lennard

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Emo even made the comment because he didn't know they

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filmed that, and apparently when he saw that, I was like, well,

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I guess I'm expecting a phone call from Paramount.

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He's sitting in the theater either throws his popcoring down

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or says like, okay, got another paycheck.

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There we go. Yeah. I think she did a phenomenal

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job as Savog. I like Robin Curtis's performance three and four,

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but I think Kirstie's performance is was it was different.

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You know, she she's a vulcan, or at least half vulcan.

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It never really said that in the film that you know,

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but she's it's assumed that she's half fulk and half romulent.

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But the way she has to try to hold back

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her emotions and rather unsuccessful. She just performed it so

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beautifully and it was a great, uh you know double

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act with with Leonard Nimoy just just fantastic and like,

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like both of you, I wish we would have saw

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more of her, And I know they tried, they tried

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getting her back, but she just became a very uh

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successful actress and while she wanted to come back, she

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just never could work it out with her schedules.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's coud with her for all the work

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she was getting. But oh yeah, it sucks for us

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Star Trek fans that we couldn't get her back.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what. Let's let's take.

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A break and then when we come back, we'll continue

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our discussion with Star Trek The Wrath of con All right,

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welcome back, where we will continue our discussion. Hair Fhaser

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set this done with Star Trek The Wrath of Cohn.

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So we just talked about Christy Ally. I think we've

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got to give another nod to Ricardo Montalban for what

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he did with this. It's fascinating to know that he

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was filming Fantasy Island at the time, so he already

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was kind of back in popular culture. Had to kind

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of rewatch episodes to get refamiliar with the character, and

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he did so seamlessly. He delivered such a terrifying performance

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as a villain that never comes face to face with Kirk,

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not just crazy in person, but right right, You never

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think of it, but yeah, and you know, his character

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just echoes. When you think of like, who is the

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greatest villain in Star Trek, his name is always at

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or near the top, which.

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Is always odd because, I mean you really think about it.

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He made one appearance in the original series during the

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first season, just one appearance. I mean, you know, it

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was a very strong appearance, obvious, you know, for someone

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to watch and says, we got to bring him back,

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and that was the right decision because he makes such

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an incredible villain and a perfect adversary for William Shatner,

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for Kirk just it's an incredible performance, very very emotional

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performance that he puts into it a highlight to this film.

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What always makes a great villain is that you care

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about them, that you almost see what they're talking about,

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what they believe in, and what they're fighting for. It

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may be wrong, they may make the wrong choices, but

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when you have such a strong villain, and I'm talking

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like Darth Vader, you care about him. Anakin Skywalker and

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in this instance, con you know, you kind of see

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where he's coming from. Yeah, and you kind of care

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about that, and you see that he believes wholeheartedly in

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what he's doing, cares about the people who have been

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around him for all of those years, and you know,

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even says you would do the same thing.

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You know, he says that, and you would absolutely.

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Yeah, he lost sixty people, including his wife. That's not

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to write him a check for all the atrocities that

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he did before he was outcast in the Bany Bay.

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But yeah, I mean he he sells the emotional halt

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of it, to be sure, even in his death scene

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when he kind of stumbles up with that Harvey Dent

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two faced kind of approach and you can see him struggling,

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but every bit of him wants to just get revenge

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on Kirk. So he says it one hundred percent, and.

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He's obsessed with it.

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And that's what he has his crew and him, their lives.

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Exactly what I was going to say. You know, he

469
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.359
you understand where he's coming from. I mean, you know,

470
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.799
they put him on a planet. They just forgot about him,

471
00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:00.079
and then that devastating thing happened to the plane, and

472
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.839
you know, he lost so many people, and he wants revenge,

473
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:08.039
but he lets the revenge take him over and he

474
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.720
becomes obsessive with it to the point where you know,

475
00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:15.119
he loses everything, and it's that's what his downfall is.

476
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:19.400
Has revenged his obsessions session for getting revenge against Kirk

477
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:20.400
is his downfall.

478
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:21.319
And that's just I.

479
00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:24.960
Mean, that's what makes a perfect, perfect film. Perfect ending

480
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.000
to a film is you know the rise and follow

481
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:29.319
of that villain. Yeah.

482
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:33.920
Well, and one of the most iconic deaths in Star Trek. Yeah,

483
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:38.240
which hats off again to Leonard Nimoy for his performance

484
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.119
from the minute he realizes what he has to do

485
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:47.440
on the bridge until his literal dying breath. It floored me,

486
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.720
like emotionally, it floored me when I was a kid

487
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:54.960
and I had no context for it. And you see

488
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.079
how close they are and how much this means, and

489
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.599
what kind of a strong character Spock is.

490
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.480
It's almost like and I know they cleared the set

491
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.680
when they filmed the death of Spock. There was like

492
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:08.279
they were did not let hardly anybody on set when

493
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.119
this was being filmed because they did not want it

494
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.799
to leak out, and thank god it didn't. You truly

495
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:19.440
believe the performances of these actors in that scene because

496
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.519
they have been together for so many years, they were

497
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.599
in that TV series together, and you know, they're you know,

498
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:26.640
like our next chanshion Cup.

499
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:27.279
They were family.

500
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.000
And when one of them is dying, granted it is

501
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:33.640
on you know, just in a film, but you're still

502
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.359
losing that character who you have been with for so long.

503
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.839
That is almost like a part of you is truly

504
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.079
being taken away. And you can see that in their performances,

505
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.039
all of them. Even when McCoy and Scotty were banging

506
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:49.960
on the glass, they get him out of there, and

507
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.279
then when you know, when McCoy reaches out to Kirk

508
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.400
tells him you need to get down here, and then

509
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:57.200
when Kirk gets down there, you just see it in

510
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.960
their eyes, their expressions. I don't think any of that's fake, man,

511
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:00.960
I don't know.

512
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:06.000
No. Oh god, that line where he says better hurry, Yeah, yeah.

513
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:10.240
Absolutely yeah. I mean that's such a memorable scene. It's

514
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.039
such an iconic scene as Star Trek repeated over and

515
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.839
over again in pop culture, and that just shows how

516
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.960
much of an impact this film made it to science fiction,

517
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.640
not just Star Trek, but science fiction and film. It's

518
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.880
it's it was a huge impact on Star Trek. You know, people,

519
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.240
I heard that on the set that when they were

520
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.880
filming that people were crying, and some of the crew

521
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.079
that had never seen Star Trek they didn't understand why

522
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.359
these people were crying until they watched the film, and

523
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.880
then they realized how much these characters mean to people,

524
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.759
you know, who sit there and watch the original series.

525
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.799
I love that story. And let's give kudo to Lennonimoy.

526
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.000
He really sold that performance of dying Yes when he

527
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.480
was like cuddled in the corner far away, you know,

528
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.599
obviously very weakned eyeing, and he fully makes his way

529
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:04.880
over to Kirk, and just the performance with the end

530
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.640
of do and how he just slides down and Kirk

531
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.799
slides down with him, and then just how the skin

532
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:11.200
is just you know all you know.

533
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:13.279
His voice is a raspy.

534
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:14.039
Yes, yes voice.

535
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.480
It's just incredible performance by learning more.

536
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:20.680
Here well, and the when you're mentioning that scene where

537
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:22.920
he kind of stands up, the fact that he does

538
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:27.839
the card maneuver straightening. Yeah, he stands up straight to

539
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.079
have some dignity even though he bumps into the glass.

540
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.720
But you feel horrible for him because radiation has blinded him,

541
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:39.119
and he takes that extra time to you know, tell

542
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.200
his friend that it's all right, he knows what he

543
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:41.519
had to do.

544
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.759
M Yeah, it's the best death in Star Trek. It

545
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.880
just it really is. And I don't I hope they

546
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.759
never even they're never going to to surpass that. They

547
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.440
can't can't. There's just no way.

548
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.519
Well, and I know that it doesn't always hit right

549
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:07.960
when they try to replicate it, like when they tried

550
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:12.240
to redo it in the Crispine era, it didn't necessarily hit.

551
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.000
In my opinion at all.

552
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.759
But I think it shows the value of having some

553
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:23.720
emotional connections between the characters and the value of character building.

554
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.400
We've seen it in Lower Decks. We've seen it in

555
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.960
Strange New Worlds. We've seen it in Discovery, We've seen

556
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.839
it in the Next Generation in DS nine and all

557
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.119
over the place. The value of building those characters and

558
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.640
knowing those characters can resonate with people that it's not

559
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.839
just dismissing it as sci fi or dismissing it as

560
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.079
Star Trek. I'm not into the space stuff. You're missing

561
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:44.000
something entirely if you're not seeing these kind of things.

562
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:47.359
One of the lines in this movie that just chokes

563
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.960
me up every time, and it's meant to is when

564
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.799
Kirk is giving that speech at the end and he says,

565
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.079
of all the souls I have met in my travels,

566
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.200
he was the most and then he breaks up right

567
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:03.720
there human. Yeah, that line just it gets me every time, man,

568
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.640
it does because of all the times that he's fault

569
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.000
that of being vulcan and half human, and for that

570
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:11.759
line is just man, it was so fitting right there.

571
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:12.680
Yeah.

572
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.759
But then also on top of that, you know, you

573
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:19.319
get the bad pipe playing which turns into a beautiful

574
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.599
score piece by James Horner here, like it just blends

575
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:24.160
in beautifully right there, and.

576
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:28.119
A beautiful visual effects shot on top of it too. Yeah. Well,

577
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.799
let's uh, let's twist the story a bit and look

578
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:35.000
at look into another dimension with what if, where we

579
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:36.880
discuss things that could have been with this film.

580
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.880
So one of the interesting what ifs is more about

581
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:46.000
casting than the direction of the film possibly, and then

582
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.279
a kind of a what if that I don't think

583
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.599
it was necessarily explored, both related to savoc So casting wise,

584
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.440
apparently Kim Catrall was the first choice for the role

585
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:59.480
of Savak, auditioned for it but wasn't available at the time,

586
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:05.039
so she had come back to play Valaris in the

587
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:06.039
Undiscovered Country.

588
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.240
I'm glad it went that way.

589
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:09.960
I'm very glad we went that way too. Yeah. I

590
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.559
think she does an amazing job. Is a Valaris. Yes,

591
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.119
very interesting to see the parallels between those two characters. Yep,

592
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.519
between these movies, especially since and correct me if I'm wrong.

593
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.640
But they give Savac the con to take them out

594
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.839
of space dock, and she says, take us out at

595
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:31.920
some measure of impulse. I don't know if it was

596
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:37.240
one quarter, one half or full impulse, and everybody seems

597
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.279
cool with it. But when Valerius is on the bridge

598
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.720
and the order is given to take us out of

599
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:48.599
space dock at one quarter impulse, she says, regulations dictate

600
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.839
only maneuvering thrusters when exiting space dock. And he's like,

601
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.400
you heard me? And I was like, wait a second, well,

602
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.960
when did this come up? Like either maneuvering thrusters or impulse,

603
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.400
which is gonna be but the other the other aspect

604
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:02.799
kind of the what if that I had seen that

605
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:04.599
I thought was interesting was apparently there was more of

606
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:10.279
a relationship with Peter Preston, Scotty's nephew and Savic. It

607
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.079
didn't sound like it was necessarily a romantic relationship, but

608
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.279
maybe a little bit more of like a mentor kind

609
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.839
of thing. She was helping him with studies and he

610
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:21.079
had a bit of a crush on her.

611
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.519
So we didn't need that true.

612
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:25.559
They would have been too much true.

613
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.440
But I think it's interesting that it adds a little

614
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.079
bit more depth to her reaction to seeing his death

615
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.799
on the bridge. Yeah, it sounds like maybe that's hinted

616
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.519
at in the novelization, so and it sounds like the

617
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.400
emotional reaction has maybe taken a little bit too far,

618
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.240
but just got some interesting what ifs related to savic.

619
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.079
It's kind of funny that you mentioned that because on

620
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.160
the uh, the one scene where she goes into Oliver

621
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.119
with Kirk and he's like, did you do something with

622
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.519
your hair? And then you know, they're talking, she obviously

623
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.880
wants to talk about the test again. And then when

624
00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.960
McCoy you know, pops up, the doors open and McCoy

625
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.480
standing there and he goes, did you do something with

626
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.079
her hair? I just found that amusing that it might

627
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:06.440
have been that might have been part of it, and

628
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.519
then they just decided not to go that route, you know.

629
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.559
Yeah, and then McCoy say, said that about rhymelin Al

630
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.480
and I'm like, oh, McCoy, don't, don't make it creepy weird.

631
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.920
Just let her go do her stuff.

632
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.519
Right, didn't didn't.

633
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.559
Wasn't this originally gonna be called the Undiscovered Country?

634
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.079
Yes? And wasn't it funny one of its names?

635
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.799
Yeah, so that I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad it

636
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.160
became the Wrath of Con because you know, we know

637
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.799
it is today in Undiscovered Country is Undiscovered Country.

638
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.160
So it worked out well, that's what.

639
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:34.960
One point we're saying. It was going to be the

640
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.559
Vengeance of Con YEP. But when they knew that Jedi

641
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.440
was going to be I think at that time it

642
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.559
was Revenge of the Jedi before the rename it was YEP,

643
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.960
so they didn't want to be too close. We came

644
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.319
out the right way, we did.

645
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.839
Yeah, that's a great I agree, And that's what I

646
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.400
wanted to touch on my what if some of those

647
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:58.839
early drafts, because they're actually rather interesting. You know. When

648
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:03.480
the motion picture was released, Gene Roddenberry wrote a sequel script.

649
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.119
It's where the Enterprise crew travels back in time to

650
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.679
a changed, corrupted timeline where the Klingons had used the

651
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.639
Guardiana Forever to go back in time and prevent the

652
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.440
assassination of John F. Kennedy. Now that's I'm trying to

653
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.599
even imagine that as the second Star Trek film. No,

654
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.039
of course paramount. You know, they blamed the failure of

655
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.199
the first film on Gene Rodden very specifically, and they

656
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:33.599
rejected the script, which I don't blame anything on him,

657
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.679
but I agree with them with rejecting that script for it.

658
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.119
And of course he was taken off the project. And

659
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.320
then they hired in a new producer, Harve Bennett, who

660
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.880
had no knowledge of Star Trek whatsoever, and I think

661
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.440
that's what they were looking for. And he came up

662
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:52.480
with an idea for a script because there were two

663
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.480
things that they wanted. They wanted it to be less boring,

664
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.800
and they wanted it to cost lesson and i'll quote

665
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:07.239
here or forty five million dollars. Bennett's idea was called

666
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:11.480
War of the Generations, where Kirk investigates a rebellion on

667
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.079
a distant world and discovers that his son is the

668
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.679
leader of the rebels, Con is the mastermind behind the plot,

669
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.239
and Kirk and son joined forces to defeat the Tyrant.

670
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:26.119
We're getting a little closer to Ratha con. But Bennett

671
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.000
wasn't a script writer, so he hired in Jack B.

672
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.559
Sowards to write which was called The Omega Syndrome, and

673
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.320
that included the storyline with the theft of the Federation's

674
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.679
alternate weapon, which was called the Omega System. But Bennett

675
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.880
didn't like the idea of an ultimate weapon, so they

676
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.199
changed it into a terraforming device, which became the Genesis Device.

677
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.159
You know, slowly it became the script that you know

678
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:56.000
we are familiar with. But Paramount at that time asked

679
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.599
a writer, Samuel A. Peeples, to write a script as well.

680
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.760
Now he wrote for the original series. He wrote Where

681
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.639
No Man Was Going before the second pilot, but they

682
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.800
rejected it because the script was too much like the

683
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:09.639
original series.

684
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.920
All I know, if they had gone with the original

685
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:16.960
gene Rod Murry idea, we would not have had Star

686
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:17.719
Trek three.

687
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.480
Probably not right for sure. But then, of course, you know,

688
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.079
like you said you had mentioned earlier, they brought in

689
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:28.880
Nicholas Mayer to direct it. He took those ideas, wrote

690
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.599
his version of the script, and that's what became The

691
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.760
Undiscovered Country and then it was, you know, the whole

692
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.679
through the changing of the names. He did not like

693
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.400
the change of the name, though he wanted it to

694
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.880
stay on Discovered Country. It was the mark head of

695
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.960
marketing at Paramount that changed it to Vengeance Acan and

696
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:49.400
then of course they changed it to Rathic com It

697
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:51.960
was just like you said, but he hated that, and

698
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.239
I think that's why he called his second film that

699
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:55.679
he directed, the Undiscovered Country.

700
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.719
It worked out, come on, it did well.

701
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.679
There's something else that stood out to me in this

702
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.199
this viewing of it, just knowing all the like the

703
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.920
subsequent movies and kind of a plot thread that seems

704
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.559
to carry through at least the first four movies, is

705
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.280
it's time for Jim Kirk to move on. But he

706
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:18.199
doesn't or can't.

707
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.760
Yeah, he refuses, Yeah, you're.

708
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:24.760
Right, well, four full movies. It's kind of like, yeah,

709
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.480
it's interesting.

710
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.079
Well what I like about those? Part two, Part three,

711
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:28.719
Part four.

712
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.159
Are all on top of one another. I mean, it's

713
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:31.599
there's one.

714
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:33.519
It's basically one big movie right there.

715
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.760
It's a trilogy. It's a trilogy. Yeah, I can't. I

716
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.000
can't see one without the other three. It's it's one

717
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:39.639
long story.

718
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.840
Yeah, I agree, And did I not hear that at

719
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.639
one point Ron Howard was even in line to direct

720
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:47.480
this film.

721
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.840
MS, It's possible, I mean he was.

722
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.480
He was the thing at the time, you know, they

723
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.199
up and coming director. I'm sure his name went across

724
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.119
their ghosts at one point. Yeah, that'd be interesting to see,

725
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.360
is what it is. Of course, we can't talk about

726
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.000
a Star Trek film without going into an in depth

727
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:08.199
discussion about its musical score. For Star Trek two, the

728
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.320
production weren't able to afford the hefty fee that Academy

729
00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:16.079
Award winning composer Jerry Goldsmith required, so they were looking,

730
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:20.519
as David said, someone much cheaper. Well, they found what

731
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.559
they were looking for with the relatively new twenty eight

732
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.159
year old composer named James Horner. This would be Horner's

733
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.880
first major film score. He had scored a few low

734
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.519
budget films like for Roger Corman. You mentioned a Battle

735
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.639
Beyond the Stars and Humanoid from Humanoids from the Deep,

736
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.880
as well as a handful of TV movies, but that

737
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.960
was it, and he saw this as his chance for

738
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.239
a big break and he was right. Now, David, you

739
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.480
are the biggest James Horner fan that I know. So

740
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:51.840
I'm gonna let you start with this.

741
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:56.079
Well, I mean, this is his first major, high profile film,

742
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.679
and you know, he had a lot of pressure on him,

743
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.760
so you know, I knew he had to do a

744
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.840
good job. It's funny. I found a quote from him

745
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.079
and he says, I'm sure that I was influenced by

746
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.119
Goldsmith's large orchestral scores when I started out, and that

747
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.639
was because the people who employed me wanted that kind

748
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:15.239
of sound. I wasn't in a position to say, go

749
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.079
to hell. Yeah, so you know, and he did not

750
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.079
have a lot of background yet, as you said, Wayne,

751
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.280
he had done just some you know, small independent things

752
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.719
with Roger Corman and stuff like that. And you know

753
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.679
I mentioned at the beginning of this is it sounds

754
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.400
a lot like Battle Beyond the Stars.

755
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:33.599
It really really does.

756
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.280
I mean guests on at points and I'm like, wow,

757
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.039
can you not rip off yourself?

758
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:43.679
Because you did? Now. I love Horner too, but it's

759
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.920
a known fact that he does like to use sections

760
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.000
of his score in other films. I mean, we can

761
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.440
go over for hours talking about that. But so you know,

762
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:56.920
I'm okay with that. I have no problem with that.

763
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.639
I don't you know, there are differences, but there are similar.

764
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.440
Yeah, And you know, he had some really good pieces

765
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.599
in here, and that we talked about. You know, the

766
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.400
bagpipe part is one of my favorites of this entire film,

767
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:12.360
and there's a lot of good pieces in this film,

768
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.840
but the whole bagpipe when it just transcends into his

769
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.320
score is just so beautifully well done.

770
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:18.880
It is.

771
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.159
And you know, he really does a good job of

772
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.719
action sequences, which is why he got chos in for Aliens.

773
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.599
He's fantastic with that stuff because he loves the anvil.

774
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.760
And again I mentioned that before. You would hear that

775
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.920
in a lot of his music, and he uses it

776
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.159
in Titanic for Crymea. You know, there's a lot of

777
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.000
anvil in his stuff. One of my favorite scores of

778
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:43.639
his is Enemy at the Gates and he has like

779
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.880
a I want to say, it's like an eighteen nineteen

780
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.679
minute piece that is just absolutely stunning, and the endvil

781
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.440
is in there. Again, so that's why I wanted to

782
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:53.880
bring that up. But you know, just is one of

783
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.159
his favorite A lot of composers have that where they

784
00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:58.440
have that one thing that they love to use over

785
00:40:58.480 --> 00:40:59.840
and over and you'll hear it in a lot of

786
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:01.400
the pieces and horners no different.

787
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:03.880
All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll

788
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:07.639
come back and see what Scott says about the musical score.

789
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.280
Welcome back, and we are talking about the second Star

790
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.000
Trek film started to the rap the con and specifically

791
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.360
it's musical score. So Scott, what do you think.

792
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:26.440
I gotta agree with Dave on the amazing grace transitioning

793
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:32.840
from the bagpipes to it's goosebumps again. But so one

794
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.320
of these sequences on a regular one where we get

795
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:40.239
the terrifying use of score to just put you on

796
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:45.239
the edge of your seat absolutely works to ratchet up

797
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.440
the terror with not a lot going on. It's just

798
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.360
what a mouse that appears before there's a dead body

799
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.639
that hits you with that sting. It's just used to perfection.

800
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.639
But above that, I'd say it is the battle of

801
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.159
the matar and nebula music in that is absolutely yea

802
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.320
perfect ye. And I love the including the sequence that

803
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.920
you talked about before where they're kind of lifting those

804
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.039
grates to prepare the rail for the photon torpedoes. There's

805
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.480
that militaristic kind of vibe to it and it just

806
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.760
adds to the to the flow of the whole thing.

807
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:20.840
It's it's classic.

808
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.960
And if am I remembering correctly in the Nebula scene

809
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.440
when the Enterprise I believe, was coming forward towards the screen,

810
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:29.960
did he not use the same sound from the motion

811
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:31.639
picture that Jerry Goldsmith.

812
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:36.039
Used the blaster beam? Yes, the blaster yeah, yes he did, yep.

813
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:40.679
And the performer, Craig Huxley, he performed it for this

814
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.920
film as well, and he I mean, it works, It

815
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:44.719
really does work.

816
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:45.639
You know.

817
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.480
I love that instrument. Yeah, me too, you know you

818
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:52.000
mentioned it. Great score, Scott are great to Q and

819
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.320
I want to add my favorite Q two, which is

820
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.920
Genesis Countdown. I love that that piece of music. It's

821
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.800
it's just incredible. It's a very emotional build up to

822
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.039
when the Genesis device, you know, activates and the Enterprise

823
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.599
warps away. It's it's so it works so well. You know,

824
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.079
for Corner's first major film, he really knocked it out

825
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.559
of the park on this. I can see why everyone

826
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.840
just suddenly started taking notice and he started getting more

827
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.719
and more jobs at films because I can't I mean,

828
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.840
I love Jerry Goldsmith, but I can't imagine anyone else

829
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.519
but James Horner scoring this film.

830
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.519
A Yeah, I mean it's you know, unintended. It hits

831
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:44.320
a lot of emotional chords, the the the non verbal

832
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.280
drama in that sequence accentuated by the score. But I'm

833
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:56.079
thinking specifically when Jim looks at his son David, almost

834
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.480
like are we gonna make it? And David's like, not

835
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.000
a chance, just shakes his head quietly, And it's the

836
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.880
score that under that accentuates that emotional moment so much more.

837
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:11.599
Yep. And this score is a lot of soundtrack fans'

838
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.880
favorites too, because it has been in print ever since

839
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:18.119
the beginning. You'll have no problem finding a copy of it.

840
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:19.199
You know.

841
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.960
It was released back in July nineteen eighty two. Forty

842
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.840
five minutes of the score delivered most of the main

843
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.719
cues that you heard. But then it was re released

844
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:33.760
on CD in nineteen ninety by g g NP Crescendo Records,

845
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:36.639
and then we finally in two thousand and nine got

846
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:41.079
the complete score from Film Score Monthly twenty three tracks. Yeah,

847
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:43.719
I know, there was even though most of the major

848
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:45.800
cues were there, there were still a lot of great

849
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.920
little pieces, including that piece that you were talking about

850
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:53.159
that took place in regular one, so it's available. And

851
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.159
then it was re released again in twenty twenty one

852
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.880
by Lolaland Records to CDs. This time they included the

853
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.199
original album remastered as well as all the alternate and

854
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.239
I'm used cues. This is still available. It's still out there.

855
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.480
You can go to Lululian Records website and get your

856
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:14.920
copy right now, I got it, yep, All right. Now

857
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.920
that we've discussed the film in depth, both on scene

858
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.880
and behind the camera, let's talk about our personal favorite

859
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:22.800
bits from Star Trek the rap then, I know we've

860
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.519
discussed quite a few of them. Scott, what is your

861
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.679
favorite scene from the film.

862
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.519
I think one that I'm going to key up as

863
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.639
a favorite because we've talked about so many. I want

864
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:42.199
Judson Scott to get more credit as couns right hand

865
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:43.199
man walking.

866
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.920
Oh yeah, he gets overlooked. I agree.

867
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.679
Yes, he has a great death scene because he's trying

868
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.920
as much as he can to tell Ahab, you know,

869
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.840
get over your own ego, stop chasing the whale. You're

870
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.519
gonna you have everything you want. You don't need to

871
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:03.000
do this, And then when he dies, he says, yours

872
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:05.760
is superior, just like that's what he knows that he

873
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.880
always needed to hear, and then dies with his eyes

874
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.679
open to know that he got a lack of a

875
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:16.039
screen credit seems like a crime in this I think

876
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.360
he's an unsung highlight of the movie.

877
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.159
Yeah. That was his agent's fault, though, wasn't it.

878
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.719
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to waive credit to negotiate better

879
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:31.199
credit placement later. Silly mistake. But you know that doesn't

880
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.280
mean that he wasn't training his damnedest. Like he gave

881
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.360
a performance that stands out to somebody who you don't

882
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.679
even know his name until he's dying.

883
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.320
Yeah, I agree, David. What about you?

884
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.320
So, I don't want to talk about the obvious, you know,

885
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.440
with the films that are very the scenes that are

886
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.119
very popular that we all.

887
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:50.599
Know and love.

888
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:53.559
So the one that I really attached to is Spock's

889
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.840
speech on advising Kirk he should never have been have

890
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:57.840
given up Captain.

891
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:00.880
I really, I really like that scene.

892
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.840
You know, basically he goes in there to tell him,

893
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.840
you know, I don't want to take over your ship

894
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.440
or you know, anything like that, and then Spock really

895
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.079
just you know, goes in and tells him you know,

896
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.760
you know, my ego can't be bruised, you know.

897
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.079
And I love all of.

898
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.320
The things between those two because you really see their

899
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:24.239
friendship at its height here, and they really care for

900
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.280
one another, and you can tell Spock cares, you know,

901
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.360
even though you know he has to keep those emotions

902
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:28.760
in check.

903
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.360
And we all know where it's leading obviously, you know,

904
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:34.199
the death of Spock.

905
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:38.800
But I just appreciated that because it keeps coming back

906
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:41.280
that Kirk should never have given up that chair. Even

907
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.719
McCoy talked about that. I believe in the motion picture

908
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.440
he should never have given up that chair. And then

909
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:48.280
this is you know, Spock is really you know, telling

910
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.599
him about that as well. So that's one of my

911
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:51.599
favorite scenes of this film.

912
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.880
Way well, you know, I'm the same way. I don't

913
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.360
want to pick one of the obvious ones. But one

914
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.800
of the little scenes that I absolutely love is when

915
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:05.320
they're in the Genesis Cave and Kirk finally reveals how

916
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.599
he managed to do the Kobayashi maru, how he managed

917
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.599
to win that to to Savog and her surprise to it,

918
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.320
and then you know, he takes a bite of the apple,

919
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:18.639
flips his communicator open and says you know, I don't

920
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.599
like to lose, and you know, finds out everything's been

921
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.599
planned and she goes, you lied, and he goes, I exaggerated,

922
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.599
And I love that scene. I mean that shows that

923
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.599
shows Kirk. That's that's the Kirk that we remember. He

924
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.559
had everything planned out, he knew exactly what to do.

925
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:36.079
I love that.

926
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.920
Yeah, well you even mentioned the I exaggerated like and

927
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:45.880
Spock playing along, yeah, like he can motion this still

928
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.039
deliver comedic moment and still be like I'm clever enough

929
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:50.400
to do this.

930
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:55.360
Yep. All right, now is the time I usually talk

931
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:59.039
about Easter eggs, but we're traveling back forty plus years

932
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.320
to discuss this film. There really isn't too many Easter eggs,

933
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:03.719
as you would call this, so I'm gonna call this

934
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:08.880
film facts. There we go. When the film first appeared

935
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:11.559
in theaters in June of nineteen eighty two, the opening

936
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.719
credits of this movie simply listed Star Trek The Wrath

937
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.280
of con You know, since the first film was titled

938
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.400
Star Trek the Motion Picture, there was no Star Trek

939
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.840
one on it. They didn't include the two that didn't

940
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:27.400
come out until later showings in the video release and

941
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.079
for all you weird Star Trek fans out there like me.

942
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:33.519
The opening scenes of Star Trek two take place on

943
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:38.039
March twenty second, twenty two eighty five. I know this

944
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.320
because Kirk mentions that it's his birthday, and in the

945
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.719
Star Trek Enterprise episode in The Mere Darkly Part two,

946
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.400
the computer screen establishes Kirk's birth to be on March

947
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:51.079
twenty second, and that also happens to be William Shatner's

948
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:56.880
birthday as well. This is the only Original series movie

949
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:01.079
in which a Federation ship fires its phaser. I don't

950
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.360
know if you guys realized that all the other films

951
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.559
have them aspiring foot on torpedoes. You know, the next

952
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.880
time we see the phasers being felt are being shot

953
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:14.519
was The Enterprise d and Startrek Generations. Yep, all right.

954
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.920
This film earned fourteen million, three hundred and forty seven

955
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.920
thousand at the US box office on its opening weekend.

956
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.360
That was a record that wouldn't be broken until the

957
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.920
release of Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom. Of course,

958
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.679
The Search for Spock made a lot more money than this,

959
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.599
and the film ended up making about ninety two million,

960
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.639
which is not bad for a twelve million dollar film.

961
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.840
As with the motion picture, the movie was pre sold

962
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.760
to the ABCTV network for a first time airing in

963
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:49.320
the US. This entitled two airings for the film, which

964
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:53.360
included deleted and alternate scenes, and it was also lightly

965
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.719
censored for TV viewing. But this version, this extended version

966
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.159
that was shown, unlike the motion pictures, never been released,

967
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.280
not on VHS, DVD, Blu ray. There's no way to

968
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:08.039
see it unless, of course, she recorded the original airings

969
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:13.000
of them. This film was novelized by Bonda in McIntyre

970
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.360
and adapted into a photos story by Richard and Noble,

971
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.039
But unlike the motion picture and every other Star Trek

972
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.320
film after it, it never got a comic book adaption.

973
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.199
But this was finally corrected in two thousand and nine.

974
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:31.199
IDW wrote a three issue series to finally fill in

975
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:34.920
that gap so that we have the complete series. And finally,

976
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.679
there were very little in the way of tie in

977
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.159
merchandise for this film. They kind of got burned with

978
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.400
the motion picture, so no one was really willing to

979
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.480
take any contracts for this. Like I said, there were

980
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.199
no comic books, no action figures, toys, no food promotions.

981
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.559
All we got was a release of you Master reels

982
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:56.039
with some images of the film. Star Log Magazine released

983
00:51:56.039 --> 00:52:00.440
an official movie poster magazine, and that's about it. We

984
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.199
did get a Con and Savig action figure years later

985
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:07.679
from Playmates, but there was very little for us kids

986
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.480
to bring home after watching this film. Doesn't need a

987
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:13.920
lot of clay, right way, I did. I use a

988
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.000
lot of clay for this, but hey, I have some

989
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:21.320
good memories of playing with those ships. You know. That's awesome. Hey,

990
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.920
you guys have anything else to add about Star Trek

991
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:25.880
two that hasn't been said, because this film has been

992
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.840
talked about a lot. It is Nope, all right, and

993
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.400
that concludes our look back on the film Star Trek

994
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.320
to the wrath of con We'd like to open a

995
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.800
channel to our listeners and here just what you thought

996
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.159
about this entry into the Star Trek universe, your stories

997
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.360
of how you saw it first, and your opinions of

998
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.760
the film today. Who knows, you might even get a

999
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.280
mention on a future show. Of course. You can email

1000
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.079
us at a Film by Podcast at gmail dot com,

1001
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.360
find us online at a film by podcast dot com,

1002
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.559
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1003
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.400
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1004
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.199
Patreon and find out what hidden gems are within. Thank

1005
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.559
you David and Scott for joining me and the listeners

1006
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:13.960
for another fascinating discussion. Thanks Yeah pleasure. For those of

1007
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.039
you that missed it, you can check out our film

1008
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.840
by website and listen to the film at forty five

1009
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:21.440
podcast on our thoughts and feelings about Star Trek the

1010
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:25.199
Motion Picture, and then join us again soon when we

1011
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:28.519
churn our targeting sensors to Star Trek three the search

1012
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.239
for Spock. Hopefully we'll find him, and we hope that

1013
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:35.719
everyone will join us again for that discussion on the

1014
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.400
next episode of Phasers set to stun go on.

1015
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.199
So I have one more question, but I don't know

1016
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.440
if we had in our outline, but what just curious

1017
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.960
if we don't want to put it in. If you're

1018
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.239
could have been anyone in this film, who would it be?

1019
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:00.000
And why oh so many characters go through so much

1020
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.679
this film. You know, I'm thinking, and I don't want

1021
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:05.039
to be him. I definitely don't want to be checkof

1022
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:06.400
because I don't want that thing in my ear.

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No