March 11, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek IV The Voyage Home

Phasers Set To Stun: Star Trek IV The Voyage Home
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Season 6Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at television shows, animation, movies, and much more! Our crew is back on the bridge and ready to time travel back to the year 1986 to save some whales and try Italian food in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home!

If you'd like to time travel back a few seasons, check out the humorous discussion we had about the Voyage Home on our limited "1986" series! 1986: Star Trek IV 

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage and debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast

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which focuses on every quadrant of the expanding universe of

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Trek by covering television, animation, movies, directors, and much more.

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Plotting the course as always as your core Trek crew,

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I'm David.

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Byrne, I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne Whited.

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All right, gentlemen, Before we get started, I wanted to

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make a shout out to one of our listeners, Jason Koslet.

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Thank you for all your feedback and messages. We welcome

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them and it's always nice to hear from other fans

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of Star Trek who love and adore this franchise as

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much as we do. Oh yeah, and don't worry, we

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will be getting to the Undiscovered Country very soon, as

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that is one of my favorite Star Trek films of

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all time. Keep listening, Jason. We appreciate it, all right.

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I'm sure there are some people out there who have

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not seen The Voyage Home. So just in case, here

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is your warning. Here is your red alert that we

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usually do movies from nineteen eighty six. I figured a

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lot of you have seen it, but we have some

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younger listeners who may not have got a chance. So

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go watch it, come back and join us. We are

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bringing the trilogy to a close. That is the Wrath

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of Khan, the Search for Spock, and the Voyage Home trilogy.

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We're heading back home with our og crew, even though

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it is a little bit of a trip to get there,

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a trip that will take that to the past to

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retrieve something they least expected. Opening thoughts of this film

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a film well received by everyone, critics and fans alike,

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with a great message for all, including the opening title card,

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which I'm going to read. The cast and crew of

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Star Trek wish to dedicate this film to the men

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and women of the spaceship Challenger, whose courageous spirit shall

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live to the twentieth century and beyond. We hear phasers

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give a shout out to the Challenger crew as well.

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Film directed by Lenna ni Moy and I do agree

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with him on this. We did need a lighter film

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because we have had some serious stuff going on in

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the last couple of films. So it's kind of nice

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that we get to lay back a little bit and relax. Guys.

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I think he did a much better job of directing

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this film. I really do. Don't get me wrong. I

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like The Search Respot, but this one, man, he just

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knocked it out of the park.

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Well, it has so much more energy to it. Yeah,

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the completely different kind of energy. But you know, and

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you've got nineteen eighty six. We'll talk about that in

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a couple of minutes. There's a reason that Week covered

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it so much in that series four years ago, which

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is astonishing to think it's been that long. I know,

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but you know, it's prime time to get into a

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movie like this that has brought a reach.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely. The Voyage Home was nominated for four Academy Awards,

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Best Cinematography, Best Sound, Best Sound Effects, Editing, and Original Score,

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which we'll get to that composer a little bit later.

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Scott tell us what it's.

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All about writing out The cinematic trilogy is a trip

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back to nineteen eighty six, San Francisco, where the key

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to saving the future lies in saving an extinct species

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in the past. Humpback whales George and Gracie are the

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only mammals that can speak to an alien probe that's

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threatening the Federation and the Earth itself. In the future.

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With the Enterprise destroyed, Admiral Kirk is leading his trusted

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crew aboard the recently acquired HMS Bounty, a Klingon bird

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of Prey that's causing tensions between the Klingons and the Federation.

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Kirk and crew are heading home and facing a court

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martial due to the actions that it took to save

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Spot from the Genesis planet. They discovered the threat, and

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thanks to the skills of Herra and Spock, find out

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that the extinct whales are the only ones who can

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reply to the mysterious probe. They fly to the Bird

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of Prey back in time to rescue George and Gracie

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and restore the only cetacean species that can keep peace

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with the aliens despite the ominous threat. It's a comedic

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end to the dramatic trilogy that brings the Enterprise crew

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full circle and breathes even more new life into a

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classic franchise.

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This was a very satisfying story. Yeah, it really, it

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really was. You know, you could sit back and laugh

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and just relax and enjoy watching this crew on screen.

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You got to see them just mingle among each other

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again like they always did and you know the original series,

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and it just felt like we were back hitting that

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stride again. But yeah, I mean there's so many laughs

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in this movie and just such a good time with

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this crew that even when I was a kid i

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saw this in theater. I just enjoyed this movie so much,

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just like everybody else.

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Yeah, I mean, you know a callback to the nineteen

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eighty six episode that we did for this, if you're

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looking for it, it's called Star Trek four. That was

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Dave you and I had a chance to speak with

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Jeff Dayton and Brad if you want to go back

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into the wayback machine, and here's some of the ways

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thoughts on this.

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Yeah.

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I was actually surprised to hear that Brad actually mentioned

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the idea of this being a trilogy first. But Wayne,

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you've been talking about it recently and it's brought it

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home for me how much this connects. And I think

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having something that is more of a comedy than a drama.

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Helps to show how much range Star Trek has and

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helps to make this more rewatchable, I think than a lot.

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Of the other movies.

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As far as our show Phasers is concerned. It's also

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kind of a somewhat of an interesting anniversary because if

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you listen to that nineteen eighty six episode, you'll hear

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Jeff talk about how he wanted to get into the

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next generation, but Brad said it felt like too much

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to pour through seven seasons and we did so. Yeah,

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we did it ye message for Phasers, But to your point,

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you know, I think he absolutely knocked it out of

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the park with us and made a great choice to

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have a Star Trek entry that had more of a

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message for present day speaking to you know, preservation and

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the fact that you can't recreate their language. You'd be

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speaking in Jewish, so there's an important reason to save

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these species that are going to sainct. But did it

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with a great balance of comedy, Like it's got a

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heavy theme behind it, but it makes it fun.

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Yeah, you know, we've been saying this it was a

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trilogy and I can't see it past being a trilogy,

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so it's the chapter third chapter.

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In the story. And because of that, and.

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Because of the lighthearted tone of the film, it's very

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high on my list of top Star Trek films. I

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actually put this a little bit above Star Trek three,

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but not quite Star Trek two. But I think Leonard

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Nimoy did a fantastic job at directing this. You know,

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it has a great happy ending, which you know, we

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wanted after everything that had happened in Star Trek two

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and three.

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We needed that happy ending.

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You know, I got a lot of good memories from

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this film, you know, from watching it, from from discovering it.

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You know, I wasn't a Star Trek fan when this

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came out. I was close, probably another year away from that,

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but you know, I as a kid, I just loved

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it because it's not just a film made for Star

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Trek fans. It's really made for the general public.

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You know, it's very.

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Accessible to the regular movie goers that really don't know

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anything about Star Trek, and that is what was needed

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at the time.

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You know. Then that's why I think this film is

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so successful.

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And in saying that, it's really strange that it works

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like that, and it does anybody can watch this movie

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and enjoy it. You don't have to be a Star

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Trek fan, right, And it's it's But what's strange is

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the fact that the way it picks up, I mean,

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because it picks up as it was almost coming off

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of it to be continued right from the Search for

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Spock and you but you still are comfortable because they

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explain so much at the beginning of this film that

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you're okay to just jump right into this movie if

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you don't have any history of it.

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Yeah, and it's got it.

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It's got a separate story, so it's not like you

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have to see start Tar two and three to I

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understand what's going on. I mean, that's that's the way

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you make a good film is you don't have to

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bog it down with with what's came before. And it's

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a it's a great script. It's got some really good

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comedy in it, some very and it's in a thoughtful message,

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so I mean that's easily accessible to the audiences.

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And the film is beautifully paced. Yeah, like there's you

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never get bored on this film. It's just it just

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moves so smoothly from beginning to end, and you know

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even even that ending that we'll get to here in

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a little while, it just it just felt so natural

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and needed that it just it was the perfect ending

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of this trilogy.

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Yeah, it flies by really fast when you watch it.

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It's the flow is perfect. Absolutely. Well, let's let's talk

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a little bit about the cast. I mean, we obviously

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know the main crew that we got here, but we've

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got a couple, We've got one big additional which of

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course is Catherine Hicks as a Jillian. I thought her

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chemistry with William Shatner and Lenny moy was spot on.

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Oh perfect.

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Yeah, yeah, I think it was a good call to

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make that kind of a It's not just Kirk and

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doctor Gillian, right, it's Kirk and Spock and doctor Gillian.

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So it's this great comedic trio that they kind of

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set up. And there are some some hints there might

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be you know, uh, they go on a date, so

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to speak, but she's probably not thinking of it as

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a date. She's thinking this is like I have my

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hand on speed dial with the cops just in case,

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but I'll take this guy out and give him a chance.

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I think it has some of the best comedic moments

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with Leonard and me boy, oh yes, like when they're

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arguing about whether or not he likes Italian. I know

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that was I think that was improvt it was, but

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it's it's showing, you know, great comedic talent and pacing

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for that. And I think Catherine Hicks is a great

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job in the role. There are a couple of times

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when it feels like she has this dramatic kind of

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whipping her head to the side with a raised eyebrow,

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which always kind of catches me. But overall, I think

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she does a great job. And you know, as future

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head of cetacean ops in the future, I assume.

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And she did do a great job, and her character

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was needed for a film like especially a time travel film. Yeah,

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you know you've got all this, you know, twenty third

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century technology and the characters and stuff, and first the

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general audience who doesn't know Star Trek, you know, they

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need someone to latch onto, someone that's relatable, and Catherine

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Hicks did a phenomenal job. The whole character of Jillian

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was written perfectly. You know, she kind of reminds me

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of like the Companions and doctor who you know, those

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are the character that's written for the public to latch

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onto and be relatable, and she's just fantastic. Plus you know,

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like you said, her chemistry is phenomenal with especially with

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William Shatner.

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Yeah. Absolutely. You know, Scott, you mentioned the comedy and

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stuff on her that you've got with you know, Walliam

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Shatner and Lennonimoy their scene where they're walking away and

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they're talking about well, Kirk is telling him, you really

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need to not talk like them in this present day

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in eighty six because you're not good at it. You're

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not good at it, And I just I love that

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whole scene. And then when it led up to their

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towards the end when they're getting on the ship and

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they're getting ready to take off and Jillian's with them,

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and Kirk comes on the bridge starts getting orders and

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spots like one damn minute.

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Yeah, that's so funny.

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It was a per company and it really reminded me

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of Data on the Next Generation when he was trying

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to find you know, emotions until he got the Emotion Ship.

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It really felt like that was Spock in this movie.

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Do you guys agree with that?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, I mean, you know, looking at both those characters

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are meant to be very dry, very emotionless, but it

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sets them up to have the best comedic moments because

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it comes from an unexpected place. It feels like it's

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also a good set up or a good bridge to

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the next movie where we feel like we see more

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of a relaxed spock Like when they're camping with McCoy

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and Jim. It just feels like it's a it's a

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good bridge to a new kind of spock Like.

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And it could have been intentional to see round post

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production of Star Trek four was when they were starting

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to create the Next Generation. They may have realized that

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how well Spot came across in this film and try

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to transfer some of that into Davia's character.

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Yeah, I remember there there was a VHS tape of

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Star Trek the Voyage Home that trailered the Next Generation

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Voyage Home.

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Yeah, it was the first footage of the Next Generation

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that anyone anybody's seen. I remember that so clearly. I

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don't have a copy of it anymore, but I remember

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that because it had it had weird sound effects and yeah,

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unfinished visual effects, and you know, people would be they'd

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hold their phrasers up to get shot, to shoot but

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nothing would come out of it. But it was the

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first footage that we'd ever seen and it got everybody excited.

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Absolutely, all right, Well, let's take let's take a little break.

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When we come back, we'll talk a little bit more

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about a couple of the cast members, and then we'll

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start discussing more of this film. We'll be right back,

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all right, listeners, welcome back to Phasers Set the stun

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where we were continuing our discussion of Star Trek the

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Voyage Home. Talk a little bit more about some of

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these cast members. Robin Curtis returns as Savac. Unfortunately we

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don't see her anymore, and it's very aggravating that we

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don't get her. I understand that they kind of didn't

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want two vulcans, you know, on Earth in the past,

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but come on, we really should have done more with Savag.

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I miss her so much and I wish we'd gotten more.

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Yeah, I agree.

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It would have been interesting to see how Robin Curtis

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would have handled a romulin vulcan with comedic beats, maybe

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staying on the ship, like maybe that's the person that

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stays on the Bird of Prey and has to handle

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certain comedic beats.

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From there, right, Yeah.

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Certainly would have been some potential. Maybe there's an alternate

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reality video star where we get a little bit more there.

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But I agree to your earlier point that the timing

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here is so well done and the flow is so smooth,

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I can't imagine a different way.

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Yeah, I completely agree. It was nice having Mark Leonard

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back as Seric. You know, he had a kind of

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an important role in this bee because he really does

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defend Kirk and the crew. I guess the Glencon's there

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at the beginning, which I thought was perfect that for

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that role right there, perfect person to do it too,

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ambassador sort yep.

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I'm not sure who has the line, but it'd be

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great if there is an easter egg that says it's

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Mark Leonard as Seric, that says you pompous ass in

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that scene.

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And don't forget we got the return of Jane Wyatt

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as Amanda Spocks. We do too, the first time he'd

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seen her since the original series. So it too bad

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they couldn't have had both of them together, but you know,

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it's great to see them again.

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Yeah, it certainly was. Well, let's let's dive into this

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movie a little bit more guys. You know, we get

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a new composer with this one, and just like this

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being a lighthearted film, the music was lighthearted along with it.

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You know, one of my favorite pieces is whole opening

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of this. That a beautiful piece of music to open

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this up with. When we get to see you know,

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the title card of the film, you know, beam in,

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and then we go through all you know, the titles

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and stuff like that. I really really did enjoy that.

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But I like how we dive into the story really

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quick too. And I said earlier that you kind of

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get the vibe of the motion picture, you do, hear, right, Yeah,

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because we have this this probe coming very similar to

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Will we got in the motion picture that was coming

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to Earth and they didn't know what it was coming

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for what it wanted, and obviously they figured it out

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a little bit quicker they did the motion picture.

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But hey, except this time, you know, unlike with the

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motion picture where pretty much everything was explained about about Vigure,

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we really are left at the end of this film

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knowing very little about what the heck just happened and

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what that was.

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And they've never returned to it.

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I mean, the only time that we've ever seen it

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is in the title sequence of Lower Decks. That's it

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never mentioned at all. It's still open for someone. Come on, now,

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you know, tell us tell us more.

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It would be nice to revisit that. Yeah, it really would.

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I think. I think Spock mentioned something briefly in the

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film where he says that there's a higher intelligence out

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there who you know, we they haven't heard from the

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whales in are years, and that's why they sent that probe.

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I mean, that doesn't give us a perfect explanation of it,

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but I think he was onto something when he said that.

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He wasn't sure, of course, but it would be nice

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to get that explanation way. And I agree with you.

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Yeah, and it's interesting that you know, where we all think,

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you know, human beings, that's you know, we're the most

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important thing on the planets. But the idea of an

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alien race actually communicating with something else on the planets here,

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the humpback whales, that's a really fascinating idea.

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I think they should do more of that. I agree.

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I think it'd be interesting to see if they're if

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the probe is is manned in any way or piloted

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by living being, because it'd be interesting to think about

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a cetacean an exclusively cetacean planet, right, since it has

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the same even the nonverbal mechanics of the probe. So

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when the humpback whales are singing, they actually tilt themselves

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at a ninety degree angle, so it's like they're doing headstands, right,

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and when the probe here's that, it mimics that positioning.

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So it's fair to say that in the entire galaxy,

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maybe there's another planet. Maybe it's outside of the galaxy

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that is popularly should populated by humpback whales or similar

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type species be an interesting thing to explore.

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It would be come on, paramount, let's get this going.

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Come on here, yep, I like it.

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Even if it's an episode of something, let's do it.

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That would be flawn to explore.

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Well, And I know we mentioned this in the eighty

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six episode, but the original idea to have subtitles and

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this one, I'm really glad I'll double that on that

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that they did not make that, yes.

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Choice here, Yeah, that would have beene a mistake.

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Yeah, I think it works really well for communic purposes

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and lower decks. Well, we could hear the dolphin crew, right,

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but we didn't need it here. I think it would

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just get in the way.

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It really added to the drama of the story of

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not knowing what was being said. So very smart choice

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of not adding that.

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And I've said this before on a lot of other things,

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that you know, we don't need to know what everything's

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what everything's been said. We don't be everything translated. I mean,

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none of the characters knew what they were saying, so

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why should we, I mean, you want to relate with

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the characters, So it makes perfect that since they wouldn't

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give subtitles on it.

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Yeah. Absolutely, So to go back a little bit to

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talk about the trial that they were having there at

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the Beg in the beginning with the Klingons, we're starting

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to see some themes that we're going to see come

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back and Undiscovered Country, we're starting to see that build up. Grant,

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we have the final Frontier, but then when we do

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get the Undiscovered Country, we move into a lot of

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Klingon stuff, and obviously that hatred for Kirk is still

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there and we're going to see more of that for sure.

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Yeah, I thought it was, you know, thinking of this

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as a trilogy, it's also interesting to think about kind

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of the almost the leap frog effect that it has

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to Undiscovered Country because we get introduced to Brock Peters

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as Admiral Cartwright, who is obviously very important in Undiscovered Country,

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and John Shuck, who is just listed as Klingon ambassador.

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I feel like he has an actual name that comes

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out there, but that there's very instrumental characters in that

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whole plot line, and that in that trial they start

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talking about peace talks with the Klingons, which I didn't

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even know was thought of until Undiscovered Country. So it's

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interesting to see that kind of bridge.

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Yeah, and they're they're they're building that, you know, that

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world with that, and I love that that they could

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revisit it with Undiscovered Country a really young no. Ye, Well,

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as you guys know, we know we move on the

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crew still sitting on Vulcan because they're basically waiting for

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Spock to get back to being Spock, and he really

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doesn't get there until towards the end of this film.

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I know we kind of briefly touched on this a

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little bit ago about you know, Spock becoming the Spock

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that we know, and you're getting to see that comedy

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doesn't really mean it, but he can't help it because

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he's learning again. You know, even that first introduction one,

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he's when Kirk was like, you can call me Jim,

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call me Jim. Then in Spock was obviously being the officer.

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I can't do that. You know, you're you're you're the admiral.

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I can't do that. And eventually he gets comfortable with

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that again and becomes that friend that Kirk has known

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and that the crew has known for so long. And

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it's nice that he gets back into that form by

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the end of this film.

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Yeah, they do a very smart They make a very

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smart choice in this one by making comedic pairs.

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Mm hm.

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So you've got McCoy and Scottie, you've got HERA and

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check Off, and you've cut Jim and Spock. And I

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think forcing Jim and Spock together helps to kind of

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draw out a little bit of the human side of

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Spock that maybe he had forgotten, especially you know, exploring

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nineteen eighty six. And it doesn't get more immersive human

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than the trip that they take right on the bus

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in the Cetacean Institute, even though they don't have pizza together,

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you know, driving around on the truck. There's a lot

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of instances where it's necessary for him to understand where

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humans are coming from. I kind of see that lighter

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side of Jim.

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Yeah.

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And unlike Star Trek three, all of the main Star

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Trek crew got their time in this film. Yes, they

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all got their their comedic moments. They all get their

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time to shine in this film. It's so nice to

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see some of these other characters getting these very memorable

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moments that are still talked about today.

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Yeah. I mean it's a nice thing. Horror again for

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crying out. I know we had her in Search for Spop,

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but not as much as we needed her. It's nice

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to see her back with this true ending what she

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does best.

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And doing something being actually involved in the.

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Actual plot of the film.

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Yeah, absolutely well, and being instrumental to a certain degree,

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even though she doesn't necessarily get she has more dialogue,

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and it seems like if this was kind of written

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with today's strange new worlds of her in mind, they

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might dial that up a little bit further to say,

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this is an expert in communications and it's a crew

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that's trying to relate to nineteen eighty six sensibilities, So

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she would be best equipped to navigate the nuances right

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and understand how to talk to somebody and how to

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get directions to the you know, Elamita and they're struggling,

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but you know, everything she does to you know, kind

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of DJ the probes communications to figure out that it's

472
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:57.640
a humpback whale, right, It opens a lot of possibilities

473
00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:59.799
for her, and I think that's part of what helps

474
00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:01.680
to open up that character not only in the rest

475
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:05.000
of the movies, but in Strange New Worlds as well.

476
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:08.279
Yeah, it's it's even nice to have McCoy back. I mean,

477
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.519
I know we had McCoy and searched with Spock, but

478
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:14.279
he wasn't himself obviously, so it's nice to have that again.

479
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:16.400
And what I like about his character in this one

480
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:20.000
is that he is trying to connect with Spock again.

481
00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:22.759
You know that when they're on the bridge and you know,

482
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:24.920
he walks up the things goes, are you busy? And

483
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.079
Spock's like her as busy I am monitoring, and just

484
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.319
that that rough between the two of them right there,

485
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:33.400
and then when he says, excuse me, doctor, but I'm

486
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:36.720
receiving a bunch of distress called the stress calls McCoy's like,

487
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:37.359
I don't.

488
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:37.559
Doubt that.

489
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:45.200
Of all the six original films with the crew really

490
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.440
in this film is the one that feels the closest

491
00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.039
in characterizations to the original series and the way they interact.

492
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.279
You know, they all have great lines. It really feels

493
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.200
like Kirk, Spock and McCoy and the friendship, it's all

494
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.319
there in this film. Yeah, that history has come back.

495
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:05.200
You can see that that they've been together for years

496
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.240
and they should be like this. This is some of

497
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:10.200
the elements that were missing in the earlier films. It

498
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.559
was there bits and pieces, but it's nice to see

499
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.279
it perfectly fitted here. And I think we owe that

500
00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:16.759
to Leonard Nimoy of that happens.

501
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.440
Yeah, I agree with that.

502
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.960
You know, I think, you know, Nimoy is a good

503
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.519
director anyways, but you know, he just he knew Star

504
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:29.440
Trek and and was able to put together and get

505
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.519
this this crew that these these actors to really bring

506
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.680
their best performances out, you know, fantastic.

507
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:36.039
You know.

508
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.519
One of my favorite favorite favorite moments in this entire

509
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:44.079
film was when they were at the looking at the

510
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.680
whales and Gillane is giving her speech and Kirk is

511
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:51.519
looking around for Spock and Spock is not there. Oh yeah,

512
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:55.039
and then the reaction on kirk face when he realizes

513
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:59.960
Spock is a lot swimming with the whales. That moment,

514
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.160
it made me makes me laugh so hard, and it

515
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:04.799
still does just thinking about it.

516
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.799
Yeah, that's Deree shot too.

517
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

518
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:17.160
One of my one of my favorite scenes is includes

519
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.920
one of my favorite lines, but also includes one of

520
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.160
the things that keeps making me kind of scratch my head.

521
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:24.319
And then I just say, it's nineteen eighty six. Just relax.

522
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:31.440
But Scotty and McCoy at the plastics factory, I love

523
00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:36.640
that scene number one. So the security in nineteen eighty

524
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:42.160
six in several places is apparently seriously wanting yes, because

525
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:44.599
anybody can just walk in like they could have been

526
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.119
from a competitive plastics company that just sneaks in and

527
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.920
decides to write right, but the to say nothing of

528
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:53.880
the hospital security.

529
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:54.440
But we've.

530
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.759
Scotty's line where he picks up the mouse and he says,

531
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:04.799
had no computer. It's so fantastic. But then at least

532
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.839
right into the part that always makes me like we

533
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.200
could have done a little better, when he's punching in

534
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.240
the equation for transparent aluminum. Oh yeah, by just like

535
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.240
tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap,

536
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.960
like hitting random, like he could have spelled out like

537
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:28.559
the duck loves to quack and somehow makes right. There's

538
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.480
no mouse, there's no nothing else done. He's just like

539
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.440
with one finger, yeah, lop and get the keyboard and

540
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.759
somehow it gets it to do like autocat drawings.

541
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.279
I just that drawing popping. I'm like, oh, come on,

542
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:40.720
really right.

543
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.799
What key structure you hitting on the nineteen eighty six back? Yeah,

544
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:47.759
no way, come on man, But that's all right.

545
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.400
Yeah, I forgive that because the movie is so good.

546
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.000
You know, a nothing that we need to forgive, you know,

547
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:56.960
the the preaching that we always get about breaking that

548
00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.400
prime directive or breaking temporal off.

549
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:01.000
Oh yeah, yeah.

550
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:07.079
When Chekhov throws the phaser and just runs away. Hello,

551
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.200
what are you doing? Yeah you're not You're not supposed

552
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:11.640
to do that. Yeah.

553
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:12.680
Oh, there's a lot of that.

554
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.359
I mean, you really think about what they did back

555
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.839
in time. You know that we got we got that,

556
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.880
We've got the kidnapping and the disappearance of the two

557
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.680
whales and and Gillian Taylor.

558
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:23.400
We've got.

559
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.680
You know, the break into the and and alert at

560
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.319
the aircraft carrier, the use of enterprise, and then we

561
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.079
got the appearance to that cling on bird of prey

562
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.279
and and you gotta wonder, you know, I did kirk

563
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.200
and and his company get a visit from the the

564
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.720
temporal authorities of Starfleet at the time because they really

565
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.480
need a mess of the fast they did.

566
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.759
Yeah, even even Scotty's transparent aluminium that we were just

567
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.359
talking about that scene. I mean, you know there's that too.

568
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.920
I mean justification of like, well, how do we know

569
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.960
he didn't invent the thing, but how did you I

570
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:06.359
mean like intercepted somebody who is critically important that you know,

571
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:06.839
it's like.

572
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.319
You just became part of history.

573
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.680
It's like Ryker's grandfather or something like that.

574
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.400
Yeah.

575
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.480
Yeah, there's got to be some kind of series at

576
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.839
some point in the future where they get into that,

577
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.640
and there's like the you know, the A day on

578
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.960
the Job of the Temporal Squad or whatever they're they're called, right,

579
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.640
and it's like, all right, we're gonna go clean up

580
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.200
star Trek four. Not enough to doom, not enough to

581
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.200
doo our reality, like the whales sure will allow it, but.

582
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:38.960
You know, in their training.

583
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.039
You know, if you're you're part you joined the Temple

584
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:42.960
authorities and you you're in your training.

585
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:43.480
I bet you today.

586
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.480
It's not just a chapter, but there's a whole book

587
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.839
about Kirk and this incident. You know, how to deal

588
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:50.839
with this. They probably have tests. This is this is

589
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:56.200
the this is the Kobayashi Maru version of that institute.

590
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.200
Yeah, yeah, we'll give you a checklist. Let's see how

591
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.079
many things they've messed up about the past.

592
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.839
So even McCoy in the hospital, I mean, dude, what

593
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:06.480
are you doing? What are you doing?

594
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.640
Hey? He gives medical tech that re grows a kidney

595
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:13.640
and the lady can't stop talking about it. Aside from

596
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.559
the fact that, like, you don't know if there's like

597
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:20.400
any contraindications that might be some kind of meterful pill. Right,

598
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:22.000
it's just like, well, I don't know anything about your

599
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.839
medical history, but swallow this. And she's like okay, and

600
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.079
just hops it.

601
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.640
It's true, so many good things about this. It's just okay, Yeah,

602
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.640
I can't. You're right, we need an episode that goes

603
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.799
back to investigate all this stuff. Scott, you're onto something

604
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.279
there too. Come on, we got some great ideas in

605
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:41.359
this episode for your paramount. I hope you're listening.

606
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.519
Although it'd be interesting twist to say, like, Okay, we're

607
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.160
gonna fix the fact that McCoy doesn't get the lady

608
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.599
of the kidney pills, and then that somehow messes up

609
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.599
the future, so they have to keep going back and

610
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:54.400
back and back to say, like, how do we just

611
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.960
twist some dials to get it just right right?

612
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:00.640
And you know, not an interesting thing about this film

613
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.160
is this is the only instance in which Kirk says

614
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:08.920
Scottie beat me up. Yeah, isn't it funny how popular

615
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.079
that became? And this is the only time he says it.

616
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:16.519
Yep, that's right. Well, at least he finally said it.

617
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.559
I mean, this is true.

618
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.279
But uh yeah, I just found that humorous. And then

619
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.079
in this film, a phasers only fired once once. Yes,

620
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.400
and that's why you know it goes through shoot the doorknob.

621
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.279
And I never realized that until just just very recently

622
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.920
watching this for this sub podcast. Yeah that's amazing, I know.

623
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.680
And yeah, standing outside the door of that room or

624
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.920
two police academy three trainees who apparently can't hear any

625
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:50.039
of the ruckus going on inside, and they think, well,

626
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.440
it's an operating room, which is usually just one person,

627
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.119
but they really need this woman to be wheeled into

628
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.079
brain surgery. Did we read out a room.

629
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.119
Go ahead? No, I mean we're we're we're laughing at

630
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.160
this everybody, But we all love this film. This is

631
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.359
a fantastic film. You know, it's just it's just obviously

632
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:14.519
some things that you know, it's just humorous to us

633
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.160
in the Star Trek world. But you know, one thing

634
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.640
I definitely want to talk about is the ending. You know,

635
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.160
obviously we get the crew saving the whale, the whales

636
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.200
and them basically crashing down into Earth, and then this

637
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.839
that really cool scene of the crew just having a

638
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:33.160
freaking good time with each other, you know, pulling each

639
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.279
other into the water, swimming, watching the whales. You know,

640
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.400
all that was just fantastic to see, just letting all

641
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.359
that tension, that pressure out and just being the crew.

642
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.000
The friends have been with each other for a very

643
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:48.680
very long time, who've been through hell and back many times.

644
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:51.920
It was good to see that. Such a great scene,

645
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.519
it really is. But then you get that additional piece

646
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:59.079
of the court martial, and my favorite shot of this

647
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.000
film is that shot where the bridge crew is standing

648
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.079
there in front of the judge, and you get that

649
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.200
shot that slowly dollies from each one of them as

650
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.119
as they're being tried. And I love the fact of

651
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.839
Spock when they said, Spock, you're not on trial here,

652
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.160
and he basically says, yes, I am, because I stand

653
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.680
here with my crew, and I just thought that was

654
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:24.079
an incredible moment. But Kirk truly gets what he wants.

655
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.160
He gets demoted from admiral back to captain, which is

656
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.559
really what he wanted all It was nice to see that.

657
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.240
And then of course the crew not sure what ship

658
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.279
they're going to get, even somebody mentions, hey, I may

659
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:43.119
get the accessor would be okay, yes, right, And then

660
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.079
of course you get that shot of the new Enterprise

661
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:51.119
seventeen oh one A, which now introduces the lettering of

662
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:55.640
the ships. I think it is yeah, which obviously, you know,

663
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:57.880
we'll get more Enterprises down the road. Obviously we'll get

664
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.359
Enterprise D, which is my favorite. But that's besides the point,

665
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.480
because I love the next generation. But it's nice that

666
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.519
they introduced that here in the voyage home and for

667
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:07.200
the first time.

668
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.239
And great timing too, like when you mentioned how closely

669
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.960
this falls back to back with next generation. That up

670
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.960
that great semi mystery. I guess I would save of

671
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.039
next generation to show kind of the numbering or the

672
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.559
designation shows that a passage of time because we're introduced

673
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.280
to the d so then it's kind of like, ooh,

674
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.679
what happened to the others in the middle, right right, Yeah,

675
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.239
it's a great scene. I imagine that the rest of

676
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.480
the crew probably got busted down in rank because isn't

677
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.719
Scottie is a captain, Spock is a captain. I don't

678
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.360
know if Sulu is a captain, but you'd have a

679
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:46.360
ship full of captains.

680
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:48.119
I think they were all hardened.

681
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:52.679
But because the court said that really fell onto Kirk's

682
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:53.599
head because it's correct.

683
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:55.679
Yeah, true, true.

684
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.639
Now you know that scene you were talking about, that

685
00:34:57.679 --> 00:34:59.440
court ord scene. I know you're sure if you guys

686
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.880
ever realized, but when they walk into the room, the

687
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:07.079
crew walks into the room behind them is both Christine

688
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.199
Chappel and Janis Rand. It is the only time in

689
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:14.119
Star Trek history that all of the original Star Trek crew,

690
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.800
including them two are in the same shocked, same scene together.

691
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.480
And that's that's something another thing that I just realized

692
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.679
recently when I was rewatching this and that's amazing.

693
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.920
That is yeah, and you blink, you'll miss it, but

694
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.599
it's there. It's there, it is and it's a fantastic

695
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.480
they did that and make sure that happened again. That's

696
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.440
probably a litany more. Who pulled that one off?

697
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:35.079
I think so too.

698
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:39.039
Yeah, we owe a lot for him for this film, No,

699
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:39.719
no doubt about that.

700
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:40.599
One.

701
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.679
More minor bl blake and you'll miss it. Kind of

702
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.960
a moment shout out to Dayton as a Go Gos fan.

703
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.880
But Jane Widland rhythm guitarist and appears as a communications

704
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.960
officer out in the background. It's very recognizable.

705
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:56.880
But I'm like, is.

706
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.159
That is that the letter from the Go Gos?

707
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.239
And sure enough?

708
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:01.639
It is.

709
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.199
All right, Well, let's let's take another break, guys, we

710
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.280
come back. We'll talk about a little bit behind the

711
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.000
scenes and the score a little bit, so we'll be

712
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:15.280
right back. All everybody, welcome back to Phaser Set the Sun,

713
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.239
where we are continuing our discussion of the voyage home.

714
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.239
Let's talk a little bit behind the scenes. Let's talk

715
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.719
about the whales, guys. Those were not real whales. Yeah,

716
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:30.440
those were models, right, they were honest. They were they

717
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:31.159
look real to.

718
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.000
Me, real enough to draw some protests.

719
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.280
Right right right?

720
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.480
I forgot about that.

721
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.679
That is incredible. You've done your job if you're able

722
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.280
to pull that off and fool people to think they're real. Yeah,

723
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.559
the kudos to those who created those whales, because that

724
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.000
isn't you can't tell. Man, they did a fantastic job

725
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.119
with those, the movements, everything with them.

726
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:56.920
Which has got to be tricky to do in the water.

727
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:01.119
Yeah right, I mean, I don't know how they did it,

728
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.079
but it's it's great to know that it was. I mean,

729
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.280
there are some real shots of real whales, but I

730
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.320
think it was only when they surfaced, right.

731
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.559
Righteah, I think that. Yeah, the far shots again, yep.

732
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:13.920
Yeah, but especially the one that Spock is swimming with.

733
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:15.960
It was like, that's not a real Okay. I mean

734
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:16.800
I guess that makes.

735
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.519
Sense, but I but just insane that they were able

736
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.679
to pull that off. And you know, kudas to them

737
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.719
for the filmmakers for being able to do something like that,

738
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.280
so especially in eighty six. I mean that if even

739
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:29.719
you did that today, I don't know if you could

740
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.719
make them look that good in CGI no, you know, you.

741
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.239
Know, and this wasn't exactly the highest budget film either.

742
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.519
I mean this was considered, you know, even would be

743
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:43.400
considered today a low budget film. Then to pull that off,

744
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.599
that's that's that's having your experts the right the right

745
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:47.960
people in the right positions.

746
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.440
Definitely.

747
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:50.800
Yeah. And I think this is the first film to

748
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.159
start trek film to break a hundred million, wasn't it.

749
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:57.079
Yes, it is, yeah, until the JJ Abrams film.

750
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:57.599
Yeah. Yeah.

751
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.960
And it shows how relay Belate is to the general viewers,

752
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:02.639
the general public.

753
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.360
Yeah. Absolutely. So I've got a question that I want

754
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.519
to put out there for you guys and for the

755
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:14.000
listeners out there. What happened to Maltz? Oh, the klingon Maltz?

756
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.800
Where do you go? They never show him? I mean,

757
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.519
granted has nothing to do with the story at all,

758
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.239
who cares, But it's just funny that they just just

759
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.480
disappears goodbye.

760
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.360
I never consider that. But he had to be on

761
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.159
the ship, so I would assume they handed him over

762
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.599
to the to the Vulcan authorities or something.

763
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:31.280
I don't know.

764
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.639
I think some of the you know, Vulcan securities with

765
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:42.519
the red cashew hats or yeah, probably took him to

766
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.000
the side to say like, all right, we're gonna send

767
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.679
you back to you know, Chronos. Uh, just hang out here,

768
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:51.599
because I don't think they would you fly him with

769
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:55.480
the ship back to no to Federation headquarters. But yeah,

770
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.840
that's that's interesting. What about Malts?

771
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.280
What about Malts? I mean, I'm sure you're that to

772
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.679
the at his imagination that the Vulcans took care of it. Still,

773
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:04.679
I just think it's funny to think about where did

774
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.960
you know, what about you guys? Anything interesting behind the scenes?

775
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.440
Well, you know, I know we're going to get into

776
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.800
a little bit of this on the wat IFFs, but

777
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.360
you know, did you guys know who the original choice

778
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.159
was to play as the main guest star of the film.

779
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.320
I do, but go ahead, Blaine.

780
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.440
H They originally had written the script to be a

781
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:28.880
starring vehicle for Eddie Murphy.

782
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.920
It's crazy crazy.

783
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.400
He was a big fan of Star Trek and he

784
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.559
wanted to be in the film. He approached in Nimoy

785
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.760
about a role. And you know, they originally wrote the

786
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:41.599
skip the scripts for him. He was going to be

787
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:46.920
a college professor who was a UFO nut. And you know,

788
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.880
I don't know, I don't I don't know. I get

789
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.320
flashes of Star Trek, Star Trek, Superman three, you know

790
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.119
and that. But yeah, but I just I don't think

791
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:01.840
we would have had the film that we got.

792
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:02.480
You wouldn't have.

793
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:03.320
Been quite at work.

794
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.320
But he decided to do a different film. He decided

795
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.679
to do The Golden Child, which he regrets now. He

796
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.599
wished to see Woden start Trek for so Catherine hits.

797
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:15.880
That the part.

798
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:17.800
I'm glad it went that way. I mean, I love

799
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.280
Edie Murphy, leave me. I think he's fantastic. I just

800
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.480
think he would have changed the dynamic of this film

801
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.119
and kind of overshadowed the shatnery mean.

802
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:27.599
Boy in the other crew. Yeah.

803
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.400
Yeah, that's one of the places where I think where

804
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:31.679
one of the few twists and turns where I think

805
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.360
we're living in the best reality. Because Golden Child is

806
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:39.559
one of my favorite movies, and I think having Eddie

807
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.800
Murphy in that role would have been too much focus

808
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:44.639
on Eddie Murphy. I think he would have done a

809
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.719
fantastic job. I'd love to see the alternate reality video

810
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.079
store where he's in it, but I feel like it

811
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.440
would have been dialed too much toward him. It would

812
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.000
be expecting the comedy from him, not necessarily from the crew.

813
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.800
So I think it was a good choice that we

814
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:03.320
ended up with.

815
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.159
Well, if we didn't get this, I wouldn't have got

816
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:12.079
the I need to knife exactly. Come on, that's great.

817
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:12.559
Love love that.

818
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:13.800
It's fantastic.

819
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:14.599
It really is.

820
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.400
Well, speaking of what if, Wayne, since you've already talked

821
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:19.559
about it, one of the things I found very interesting

822
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.800
about this was William Shannon was originally reluctant to be

823
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:25.840
in this, and he didn't know if he was going

824
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.000
to continue with Star Trek at this point. So Limanimoy

825
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.079
and har Bennett, who wrote this one, they actually considered

826
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.360
a prequel with these characters at Starfleet Academy. How interesting

827
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:38.159
would that have been.

828
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.880
Yeah, that was the first time that the whole Starfleet

829
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.559
Academy idea was brought up, which, yeah, it got brought

830
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.320
up over and over and over again over the years

831
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.800
until finally now they're actually making something about it. But yeah, yeah,

832
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:53.840
he he didn't want to be in it, but then

833
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.119
I guess they they coughed up the money and he.

834
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:56.800
Agreed to sign.

835
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.000
I guess and thankfully so.

836
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.000
You couldn't you couldn't.

837
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.800
Do a classic Star Trek film without William Shatner. I'm sorry,

838
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.159
there are you know without that character, now.

839
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.039
Yep, there's there's no way. And I'm glad it worked out.

840
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:11.760
I'm glad they were able to pony up the money

841
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:14.400
and get him involved and get things going. And I

842
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.800
know I'm sure he's thankful for that, because as successful

843
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:17.519
as this film was.

844
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.679
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well I wouldn't have It would

845
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.159
have deflated the whole trilogy idea, and it would have

846
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.840
made I think it would have had repercussions in the

847
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.320
subsequent movies versus what we got. I think is a

848
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.159
really clean way to kind of take those characters to

849
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.000
their natural end and kind of open the door for

850
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:35.639
next generation.

851
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.480
Yeah, oh absolutely. You know another thing that I found

852
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.119
interesting about What If? And I believe the scene was written,

853
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.760
but it was never filmed. It was deleted from it,

854
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.119
and I just I when I read it, I'm like,

855
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.760
I'm so glad they didn't do that. Apparently they had

856
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:52.639
written a scene where Savag gets pregnant with Spock's child. Yeah,

857
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.440
because stimming from the Pond far obviously that he was

858
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:00.480
struggling with man. That just terrible.

859
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.280
I agree, Yeah, it seems reductive to take that kind

860
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.199
of approach. It also makes up I don't know that

861
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.239
much about pon Far. I didn't I was late that

862
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.880
day when they taught the Birds and the Beast pot Far,

863
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.960
but it felt like they were trying to say that

864
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.280
she was helping him with emotional stress and emotional tensions

865
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:27.920
and more like ritualistic kind of things. And you add

866
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.599
that in there, it seems like he was going through

867
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.440
some hormonal changes, you know, And then it feels like

868
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.519
there's a sexual aspect of it that just isn't necessary.

869
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.119
It just seems it is.

870
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:43.679
It doesn't set right, No, and I think I would

871
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.719
have ruined the character of saving it would have.

872
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:46.280
Yeah.

873
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:48.199
I don't know if they actually filmed it or what,

874
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.119
but I do know it's it's in the novel version,

875
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.000
so I remember reading about it, and I didn't remember

876
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:53.480
back then.

877
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:54.719
Liking it all either.

878
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.440
Thankfully that did not happen on screen, thank you for sure. No,

879
00:43:58.519 --> 00:43:59.639
thank would not even like that.

880
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.840
Biologically, How does a genesis baby work right, right?

881
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.199
Because if it does, it grow quickly or is it

882
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.440
normal right?

883
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:07.840
Right?

884
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.880
Yeah, it's hard to say, but thankfully it didn't happen.

885
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.800
Other things obviously, I think the original script title was

886
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.400
the Trial of James T. Kirk that they were going

887
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.800
to go with before, which obviously those elements would go

888
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:26.480
on to be in the Undiscovered Country. So it's just again,

889
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.280
I know we spoke about that earlier. How the elements

890
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.159
of that are starting to already you know, roll here

891
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.639
and we're getting to see some of that. But apparently

892
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:38.000
Susan Sarandon too was considered for Gillian Taylor. Yeah, what

893
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:38.840
do you guys think about that?

894
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:43.920
I mean, she would have proud a different uh you know, performance,

895
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.199
but I think she would have done Okay, I prefer

896
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:51.320
Catherine Hicks, but yeah, trying to put her in the

897
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.119
position or in that part, Yeah, I think she would

898
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:54.400
have done.

899
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.119
Okay, I think so too. But just Katherine Hicks was awesome.

900
00:44:57.679 --> 00:44:59.360
Yeah, yeah, well, and it's very hard for me to

901
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:03.320
separate Kather it's from a role in Child's Play. Oh yeah,

902
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.159
and I wonder Little would have gotten her? Is that

903
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.320
one of the stars of Child's Play without this movie.

904
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.679
And so again I think we chose the right direction.

905
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:11.320
Absolutely, we sure did.

906
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.679
This film went through quite a few, you know, script rewrites,

907
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.000
you know, not quite as much as some of the

908
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:22.360
other films you know. At one time they, like we said,

909
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.159
they had Eddie Murphy in it. He was playing a

910
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.800
college professor who believes in aliens, likes to play whale songs.

911
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.760
But when he dropped out and they changed it. But

912
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.159
some of the ideas that appeared in the script was

913
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.000
the klingon burda prey was playing to appear over the

914
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.039
Super Bowl halftime show. I don't know, which didn't last. Yeah,

915
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.039
that didn't last very long. Paramount was not happy with

916
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.480
anything that they delivered, so they actually brought in Nicholas

917
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:52.159
Mayer to write a new version of the script. And

918
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.119
what it was is Hart Bennett wrote the scenes for

919
00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:01.440
the twenty third century and Mayer wrote all twentieth century scenes.

920
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:02.960
But in his.

921
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:08.400
Original draft, at the end, Gillian Taylor was stayed on

922
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.920
nineteen eighty six Earth and vowed to ensure the survival

923
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:16.079
of the Humpbacks despite the paradox it would create. But

924
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.159
then after taking notes from both the Nimoy and Shatner,

925
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.880
Mayor re worked it so that she went with them.

926
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.480
And that's the script that we got. That was the

927
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.519
script that the studio loved and finally got produced.

928
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:31.719
And I'm glad she could win to the twenty first

929
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:32.840
century with the crew.

930
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:34.199
I am too.

931
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.400
Again something else that needs to be explored to follow her.

932
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.000
We never heard of her again either. It's odd that

933
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.760
that Star Trek four seems to be the most ignored

934
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.480
film and our events and Star Trek history. It's only

935
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:55.159
brought up once, very briefly, in the third season of

936
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.039
Star Trek a card, but that's it. It's weird, you know,

937
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.760
considering how important this film is really everything that happens

938
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:03.480
in it, never hear it again.

939
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:05.519
Yeah, it's strange, I don't kid.

940
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.880
And she's essential to the whole journey because you're not

941
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:12.239
only taking two whales to a future where nobody has

942
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:16.079
known about them for a long time, ensuring their survival,

943
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.599
but one of them also being pregnant. Yeah. I remember

944
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:26.320
watching this in earlier viewings and not knowing that the

945
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.119
whales are taking a certain position because of their songs.

946
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.760
I thought it was some kind of distress. So I

947
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.760
thought it was trying to imply they'll get George and

948
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.920
Gracie back. But maybe Gracie dives in childbirth or has

949
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:42.159
some kind of complication or something like that. So you'd

950
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:44.920
need somebody who'd understand what's going on there and be

951
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.519
able to deliver what ever kind of care they can.

952
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:52.239
Good point. Yeah, I like that too. Well, let's talk

953
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.239
a little bit about the score, guys. We have a

954
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.880
change up of who is composing this. I know lynnany

955
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.599
Moy wanted Leonard Rosamand to do the score for the

956
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.440
Search Firstpock, but obviously that didn't happen, so he did

957
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.599
get him to compose this one, and I think he

958
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.559
did a fantastic job in my opinion. I know, Lennad

959
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.599
Roseman has been known for that East of Eden Rebel

960
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.559
without a Calls, fantastic Voyage, Beneath the Planet Apes, and

961
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.320
much much more. I think even did an amazing Stories

962
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:19.679
episode waym yep.

963
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.880
And he did, as you know, David, one of my

964
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:27.440
favorite sixties TV series. He did scored every episode of Combat.

965
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.639
That's right, great series and got some great music in it.

966
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.360
Yeah, he sure did. But I think Rosamond did a

967
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.239
fantastic job on this. You know I mentioned earlier, like

968
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.440
one of my favorite pieces was just that opening piece

969
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:43.159
that he did. He really brought that lighthearted music to

970
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.880
this film that just you know, you knew what you

971
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:47.800
were in for when you got that At the beginning.

972
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.079
You knew it was going to be a fun, enjoyable ride,

973
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:52.559
and that's exactly what we got.

974
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.920
And there's an interesting story about that, that opening main

975
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.159
title music that he wrote. I guess the story goes

976
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.559
that when he had his initial meetings with Leonard Nimoy

977
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.880
about what Nimoy wanted for the score, Nimoy said that

978
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:09.320
he wanted him to incorporate the Star Trek theme, the

979
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.920
sixty Star Trek theme into the titles. So Rosamond wrote

980
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.599
a great opening theme using Alexander Courage's sixties Star Trek

981
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:22.079
theme the Dada, but then found out that he misunderstood

982
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.639
what Nimoy wanted and that Nimoy wanted him to do

983
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.599
what Horner had did and used the eight notes enterprise queue.

984
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.079
That da da da Da Da da da.

985
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.800
So Rosamond had to go back and start all over

986
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.199
again and bring this new theme. I never even realized

987
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:40.360
this until the CD was released recently by Entrada and

988
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.320
it's on there. It's it's interesting, but I'm kind of

989
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:44.199
glad they didn't go with that.

990
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.559
It didn't fit the movie.

991
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.360
By him, there's a good move they didn't do that. Scott.

992
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:51.320
I know one thing that we would find interesting is

993
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:53.800
Rosamond used some of his score of The Lord of

994
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.199
the Rings seventy eight film, uh in this score, which

995
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.079
you and I covered at a film at Interest Life.

996
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.199
Yeah, I didn't catch that. Yep, Well, I know the

997
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.519
Usually when we talk about score, something I usually make

998
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.159
note of is the range that they apply, and you

999
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:13.400
definitely get that with this. You get some classic Star

1000
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.119
Trek elements that you need to have. But when you

1001
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.719
land in eighty six, it's a very eighty six song

1002
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:24.039
that's play on the background, right, and you get the

1003
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:31.639
heavily comedic score in the Hospital Escape. There's a lot

1004
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:35.719
of dynamics here to take into consideration. I've never listened

1005
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.760
to the score. It'd be very interesting to just pop

1006
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.719
the CD in and imagine what seene you're in and

1007
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:41.440
be like, what's happening right now?

1008
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:44.760
It's a great score.

1009
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.599
It is great listen. You know.

1010
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.840
It hasn't been released very much. It's only actually been

1011
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.960
released twice, considering all the other scores got multiple releases.

1012
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.760
It was released back in nineteen eighty six on LPCD

1013
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:59.280
and cassette by MCA Records, and then, as I mentioned

1014
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.400
in trot to release it in twenty twelve, which you

1015
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.760
have com please score alternates on used cues that weird

1016
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.199
synth pop saxophone piece that was on the original one.

1017
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:11.519
And then also it has the full version of the

1018
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:16.559
I Hate You song by all of its explicit lyrics.

1019
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:18.039
So you know it's still available.

1020
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:18.760
Go get it.

1021
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:25.800
Yep, it's in my collection. Thanks, Wayne, You're welcome. All right, Well,

1022
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.159
let's move on to some Easter eggs. I know there's

1023
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:29.719
quite a few in here. Wayne. I know this is

1024
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.079
your favorite part, so please enlighten us.

1025
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:37.039
Okay, Well, let's start off with us obsessive trekkies that

1026
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.559
with continuity and dating according to the date in the newspaper.

1027
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.800
The twentieth century events of the film take place on

1028
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:47.000
Thursday December eighteenth, nineteen eighty six, with the future events

1029
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.199
taking place in the year twenty two to eighty six,

1030
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.360
roughly three months after the events is Star Trek three.

1031
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.000
This also marks major Barrett's final performance. Is Christine Chapel

1032
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:01.199
in the franchise also estab that this is for the

1033
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.880
first time that Kirk was born in Iowa and that

1034
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:08.280
Sulu was born in San Francisco. Now, this slingshot effect

1035
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.440
that the Bounty uses to travel into the past was

1036
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:14.239
done twice before in the original series the episodes Tomorrow

1037
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:18.400
Is Yesterday and Assignment Earth. Kirk directly references these events

1038
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:22.039
when he says we've done it before. The Enterprise travels

1039
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.960
back exactly three hundred years, which explained Spock's comment that

1040
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.320
he had to program some of the variables from memory.

1041
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.840
The table that you see in Starfley Command that they're

1042
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:37.239
working around that is the exact same prop table that

1043
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.840
was used in the main engineering of the USS Enterprise

1044
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.599
d became known as the Pool table. The shot of

1045
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.400
the bird of Prey that was heading into the Sun

1046
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.360
at warp speed was reused again one more time, just

1047
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.280
with a little bit of added disruptor fire in the

1048
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.880
episode of the Next Generation called Redemption two. Here's another

1049
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.920
little tidbit. The whale hunters were steeking finish in the

1050
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.920
scene where the Burder Prank appears over them, and we've

1051
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:11.280
got we talked about the VHS tape had the clip

1052
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:16.519
for the Next Generation. But these events cause a little

1053
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.440
bit of a problem with the writers for the DC

1054
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:22.159
Comics Star Trek comic book, because at the end of

1055
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.320
Star Trek three, they had Kirk and this crew with

1056
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:28.840
Spock continue their adventures aboard the Excelsior for two years,

1057
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.159
not knowing what was going to be written for Star

1058
00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:34.639
Trek four. So in order to connect to this film's events,

1059
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.400
they had Spock's mine ravaged by a virus, forcing Kirk

1060
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.559
and his crew to take the Hmist Bounty, which is

1061
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:45.559
docked within Thecelsior, and return him to Vulkan. Well, you know,

1062
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.360
they had to do something to straighten things out.

1063
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:48.719
Now.

1064
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:52.599
Star Trek four's network television premiere occurred on March fourth,

1065
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.880
nineteen ninety the edition of the ABC Sunday Night Movie

1066
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.000
This This is what debuted the first three films as well.

1067
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:00.239
Well.

1068
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.800
This would be the last Star Trek film that ABC

1069
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.519
would debut until their network premiere of Star Trek First

1070
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.840
Contact All the Way in nineteen ninety nine. And finally,

1071
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:11.119
I'll go over some of the merchandise. And there really

1072
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:14.519
wasn't very much to promote this film, mainly due to

1073
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.519
the lackluster reception of the promotions for Star Trek three

1074
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.960
and the difficulty they had with marketing this film to

1075
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.360
the public, especially kids. Of course, there was the nineteen

1076
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:29.199
eighty six novelization, again written by Vonda in McIntyre. That

1077
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.760
book included many of the deleted scenes in the film,

1078
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.199
which also included a scene that was filmed with Sulu

1079
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.159
meeting his great grandfather as a child. Star Loog Press

1080
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.000
released two official movie magazines, both the Standard and Deluxe Edition,

1081
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.480
as well as an official poster magazine. There's, of course,

1082
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.960
I mentioned DC Comics Adoption, which was art by Tom

1083
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.840
Sutton and a fantastic cover by Howard Shakin. Faza did

1084
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.719
a source book update to their popular Star Trek role

1085
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:57.760
playing game, which.

1086
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.239
I bought back in the way I bought it.

1087
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:02.760
There was a model kit for the USS Enterprise that

1088
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:07.159
included the NCC one seven oh one a decal, and finally,

1089
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:12.519
Stopping Go Foods, which was a convenience store, offered fans

1090
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.719
visiting their stores four different glow in the Dark plastic

1091
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.719
cups with original arc from the film featuring Kirk Spock,

1092
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.400
the Klingon, Bird of Prey, and the Trial.

1093
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:23.039
Nice.

1094
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:28.000
I feel like there must be another reality where Pizza

1095
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.360
Hut tried to glomb on to the promotions here, right,

1096
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.159
because you could have like a pizza box that folds

1097
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.760
out to you know, part of the saucer section and

1098
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:39.480
then the rest of the ship. You could have had

1099
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.000
the Federation logo kind of painted in Pepperoni's like it's

1100
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.800
a two topic pizza right, like they could have.

1101
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.239
Done Yeah, I mean you got the pizza scenes in

1102
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.239
this film. They could have used it for the commercials

1103
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.800
and everything. It was a missed opportunity, exactly, very myss.

1104
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:57.880
Did you guys hear the one where it is believed

1105
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.760
the captain of the Saratoga is an ancestor of Jeordie LaForge.

1106
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.000
Interesting, well, it's the same actress that plays it is.

1107
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:08.920
That's why, that's why that rumor has gone out there

1108
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.000
that you know, maybe the captain of the Saratoga was

1109
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.679
some kind of ancestor. I'd like to think of that,

1110
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:15.960
I really do.

1111
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:17.440
Where's the female captain?

1112
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:17.800
We see?

1113
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:18.159
Right?

1114
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:18.440
Yeah?

1115
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.159
Yeah it is, it is?

1116
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.000
Yeah, it is. Yeah.

1117
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.639
So see once again, so many things come back to

1118
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.559
the Voyage Home, but addressed.

1119
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.159
Feature series bring back lower decks.

1120
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:37.039
Unless we're writing all kinds of good episodes here, Come on,

1121
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.199
come on, paramount, get with it all right, gentlemen. Uh

1122
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:41.800
favorite moments.

1123
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:45.119
Of this movie, Wayne, Oh, there's a lot to love

1124
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:48.559
in this film, But the one moment that always gets

1125
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.480
me laughing is when we mentioned it earlier. Kirk McCoy

1126
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.079
and Jillian are sneaking to that hospital a rescue checkof

1127
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.280
when McCoy walks up to that old woman and goes,

1128
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:00.280
you know, what's wrong with you? And she goes need

1129
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.280
dialysis and you know, McCoy is shocked.

1130
00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:06.360
You know, what is this the dark agent? I love that.

1131
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.000
And then later when they're running, you know, down the

1132
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.199
hallway trying to escape, she goes, you know, they run

1133
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:13.639
past that woman. Doctor gave me a pill and I

1134
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.800
got grew a new kidney. I love And that's just

1135
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.719
one of those great little moments that make the comedy work.

1136
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:22.880
That scene has me rolling.

1137
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:26.159
I love that. Yeah, that's a good one, Wayne, very

1138
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:27.440
good one. Scott, what about you?

1139
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.159
Mine's what I mentioned before. But they're trying to decide,

1140
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.559
uh do they go to dinner for Italian? I think

1141
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:41.199
there's a great comedic timing in that, like, yes, we

1142
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.760
like Italian. I love Italian? And so do you?

1143
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:43.960
No?

1144
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:45.119
No, I guess you no.

1145
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.360
I don't No, I don't I guess you do. Then

1146
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.400
they drop them off the Yeah, I can't believe that

1147
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.280
she didn't see like in her rearview mirror she didn't

1148
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.079
glance up once and see him being great teleported up.

1149
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:58.920
But that's all right, come on, well she just you know,

1150
00:57:59.440 --> 00:57:59.960
he took.

1151
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:00.639
To my ds.

1152
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:05.519
So there's there's there's so many good scenes in this one,

1153
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.320
so many good moments. You guys have picked some really

1154
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:11.400
good ones there. There's two moments, two lines basically that

1155
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.880
comes from James Douhan that I absolutely love. One and

1156
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:18.679
James says it is his favorite line from a Scotty line,

1157
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.519
and that's when Admiral he says, Admiral, there'll be whales here.

1158
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.800
I love that line so much. And then the other,

1159
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.679
the other moment that I absolutely loved when is when

1160
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:31.960
Kirk was trying to explain to Scotty of what he

1161
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.280
needed to do, what he needed to build, and he

1162
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:43.519
says we're gonna have hunchbags and Scotty was like, hunchback people, Wales, Wales, Wales.

1163
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:49.400
Absolutely love this two moments with Scotty. So many good

1164
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.800
moments in this one for sure, some good laughs. Good

1165
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.519
to see this crew back together, enjoying themselves once again

1166
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.760
once again. And White just like you said, you know,

1167
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:03.000
we're seeing the crew like we used to see them

1168
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.239
back in the television series and stuff like that, and

1169
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.159
from here on out that stays a site like this

1170
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:11.239
Final Frontier and the Undiscovered Country, which listeners we will

1171
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:15.559
be getting to. Don't worry, it's coming. But yeah, very

1172
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:17.960
very enjoyable film listeners. If you've not seen this, I'm

1173
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.800
sure you have if you're a Star Trek fan, but

1174
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:25.039
if you haven't, go watch it now. All right, listeners,

1175
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.519
So tell us what your favorite parts of this film was.

1176
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:30.199
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1177
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.360
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1178
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.519
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1179
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.480
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1180
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:41.519
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1181
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:44.519
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1182
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:48.280
Set to Stun. As always, Thanks Wayne, Thanks Scott for

1183
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.079
joining us on Phasers Set to Stun. Thanks that is

1184
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:58.599
a pleasure, and may fortune favor the foolish