March 3, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Starfleet Academy S1. E8 - The Life of the Stars

Phasers Set To Stun: Starfleet Academy S1. E8 - The Life of the Stars
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Season 7

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

This year marks the 60th anniversary of Star Trek and we've got an exciting new series to watch! Wayne, David, and Scott will be discussing plots, sharing their favorite characters, and revealing all the Easter eggs within Star Trek: Starfleet Academy!

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Core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited, I'm David Burns.

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And I'm Sky Hoffman.

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And today we're discussing an all new episode of Star

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Trek Starfleet Academy Episode eight, titled The Life of the Stars,

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which was written by Jiea Fiolo and Jane Maggs and

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directed by Andy Armaganian. So from this point forward, it's

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red alert. There are spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen

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this episode yet, please stop and beam yourself to the

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nearest viewscreen to catch it on Paramount Plus. Then come

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back and rejoin us for this discussion. So, David, why

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don't you give us the short summary of the episode.

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The effects of PTSD are very real and continue to

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surface among the cadets following the fallout from the Miyazaki.

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All of them are struggling and it takes a toll

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on their academic performance, their personal lives, and their friendships.

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Most notably, Tarama and Sam Killtley arrived at Starfleet Academy

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not only to teach theater, but to use it as

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a tool to help the cadets work through their pain

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and trauma. The class this task was selected a play,

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and is Sam who chooses our Town. As they begin

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to disfect the play, the cadets slowly realize it's deeper

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meaning and how closely it mirrors their own lives. At

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the same time, Sam's condition worsens as she begins to

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glitch more frequently. Eventually, she is forced to leave both

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the class and the Academy, returning to her homeworld accompanied

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by Nahla and the Doctor. It is there that the

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Doctor must find the confront what he has been emotionally

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holding back and make a decision he has struggle with

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for many years, one that.

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Will ultimately save Sam.

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Now, before we get into the discussion, let me let

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me say these two quick points. As we predicted correctly

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last episode, Sylvia Tilly is back and she's a really

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nice addition to the cast of this episode. And we've

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also got the Doctor returning after being missing from the

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last episode. This is an unexpected sequel to one of

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the better Star Trek Voyager episodes, which was titled Real

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Life from the show's third season. So if you're unfamiliar

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with that episode, I suggest you to take the time

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and to watch it because it'll help you better appreciate

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this episode and the character of the Doctor himself. All Right, guys,

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what do you think about this episode?

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So I'd like to cap on that as the guy

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who has not really watched Voyager. Okay, It's an interesting

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perspective in that as I was watching this episode, I

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really wanted to dig into Real Life, which I've never seen.

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At the same time, I need some time to recover

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from this episode before I try to see that episode.

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This was without that context, without that kind of background.

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This was emotionally just devastating for me. Like I'm not

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afraid to admit, I sobbed after this which speaks to

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the performance in this episode, especially Robert Ricardo. It's one

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that makes me want to dig into Voyager more, which

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is always one of the great aspects of these shows.

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It makes you want to sample from other parts of

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the buffet, right, But yeah, I had limited exposure to

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his character of the doctor from Voyager, A little bit

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of sampling from some DS nine, a few episodes that

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I've caught just kind of you know, essential watches for Voyager.

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But my god, if Robert Riccardo has been this goes

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the doctor throughout Voyager, I can't use.

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Yeah, David, what'd you think?

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So?

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I mean, I mean, Scott pretty much everything I needed

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to say, because I mean, this episode was extremely powerful.

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My thing is this episode literally makes the last episode irrelevant.

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You literally can skip over last week's episode and not

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miss anything because the doctor's personal log gives you everything

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you need the very beginning of this episode of what's

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happening and the fact that the crew is dealing with

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all that PTSD And you know, Wayne, we kind of

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talked about these yesterday when we were hanging out. Star

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Trek does a phenomenal job with episodes about PTSD. We

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actually done a recent episode on Deep Space nine that

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we talked about where you know, they showed that and

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we're you know, getting through seeing people dealing with that,

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and here's just another episode of Star Trek dealing with

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the same thing with just a younger crew having to

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deal with it for the first time, you know. I mean,

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clearly there's a lot more of this's coming in the

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future for them, unfortunately, but the fact that you know,

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this is the first time they've actually seen something like

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this and dealt with something like this is very emotional.

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But I did not see the Voyager stuff coming at all.

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Like that was kind of hit. And then when you know,

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Sam reached out to ask the doctor to hold her

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hand and he refused.

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I mean, I got angry. I'm like, what the hell

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is your problem? Doctor? Really? I mean I was pissed

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off at him when that happened.

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I mean, tears that's coming down her cheeks and like

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she really needed him and he flat.

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Out refused her.

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But then when Nadla approached him and then he explained himself,

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and I didn't I completely forgot about the Wager episode

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until he started going in that and they gave you

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a little bit of that tidbit of the the you

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know the scenes from that episode. I'm like, oh man,

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then that really hit home at that point.

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And then the.

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Most incredible thing they did in this episode was when

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the Cadets were playing out our town and the montage

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was going back and forth between them to the doctor

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raising Sam.

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Right, those scenes, that was just.

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Phenomenal, Like it took the episode over the top when

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it did that, Like Scott, I'm gonna make I'm with you.

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I mean, I had, I had tears. I I was

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so emotional by the time this episode was done. I'm like, Okay,

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you just completely rebounded from that last episode. Now I

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can put that other episode completely out of my mind

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because this one was phenomenon.

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It's a it's a meta it's a very meta masterclass

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in theatrical drama, Like you don't expect for them to

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kind of layer in the theatrical narrative storytelling that you

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see on the stage play out more and more as

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the episode goes on. That was a stroke of brilliance

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that I didn't even know was happening to me until

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I was three quarters of the way.

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I'm an India, right, it was always hidden.

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And then go on exactly exactly.

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Now.

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What I think is interesting is and a question that

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keeps coming back to me, what I does it help

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to have the space between the Miyazaki disaster and this

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episode of one episode?

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Good question, right.

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Not necessarily the episode we got last episode, which does

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help to dig into one or two of the characters

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a little bit more, but it the one advantage I

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can see is that this seems to have so much

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more emotional heft because we the viewers spend more time

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away from it to help get that, at least for

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Tarima's story arc, if nothing else, to know how long

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she has been through and kind of feel that passage

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of time.

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Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up too, because I

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was thinking that exact same thing. You know, if we

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would have had what was come Let's Away and then

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this episode, I think that would have been really, really

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emotionally heavy. We needed that that episode in between. It

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too bad it was that episode. I mean, it's a

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pity that could come up something else, but I mean

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there did need to be a space between these two episodes.

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I'm glad we were on the same mine because I

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was thinking the same thing.

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See, I disagree with you guys, on this really a

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Night of the Seven Kingdom had two episodes back to

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back that were emotionally heavy, and they were they were perfect.

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It was like a continuing story.

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So I feel like if they had done the same

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thing here, it would have just been the continuing story

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of it, and I think it would have hit just

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as hard as it did now and you would be

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okay with it.

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I feel the last best to Steel.

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Garbage, I agree we should never have had that.

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You know, I'm not trying to save it, Dave, don't go, I.

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Know, I know, but no, I think this should have

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been the next episode after the azaki. I really do,

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because you are emotionally cut off at the end of

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that episode as an audience, and you want to know

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exactly how your audience is feeling without that fluff that

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you get in another one hour episode that you have

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to wait for the following episode to get that. So

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I feel like, no, they should have done that immediately

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so we could have got the exact same thing. Those

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characters got some kind of damn relief from what was happening,

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So yeah, I disagree with you, guys.

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Okay, Well, speaking of relief and a little bit of joy,

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even though it's wrapped around tragedy.

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Is seeing Tilly.

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Again, Oh yeah.

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She was one of my favorite parts of Discovery from

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the jump, and I think to see a more mature,

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more seasoned Tilly come back to help provide therapy, to

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kind of hidden therapy to the entire Starfleet Academy crew

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while also being kind of a parallel to Sam. And

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like I was seeing a lot of parallels to how

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Tilly used to be or used to come across in Discovery.

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I think she sees a lot of herself in Sam.

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Is that fair?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, I think so too, especially in their early years.

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Again, there were so many good scenes in this episode,

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but you bring up a good point about Tilly.

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That scene where her and Tarama are.

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Like kind of going at it, like she's refusing to

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go on with this because she realized that what Tilly

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is doing and Killy's.

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Just not back and off.

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I mean, she actually comes up towards her and starts

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getting almost face to face with her in that conversation.

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And I just thought that was an incredible scene, And

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with what you said, it shows you the maturity that

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Tilly has gotten over the years, because she wasn't like

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that in Discovery for a while, you know, we got

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we got to see her grow with Discovery, but in

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this thene Man, Yeah, she a mature individual who really

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stands her a ground and understands where she's at in

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life and what she's trying to do to help these cadets.

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Very theatrically too right. It takes a very measured, like

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one step at a time kind of approach to something

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we've been talking about. I don't know how many times

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of the Ship's councilor having one of the most daunting

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duties in these series, but you know how many times

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has Miles O'Brien probably been like, all right, go ahead

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and buy yourself about because I've got a lot of

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sessions coming up. To dig into this much depth to

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kind of dedicate to something like this. I think it's

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a it's a brave direction for them to go in,

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and I'm glad they're doing it.

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I yeah, I mean, we've had we've had some phenomenal

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episodes this season and and one miss. But my opinion

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of this is that this is probably the strongest episode

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to date so far, and we still got two more,

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So you know, I'm gonna hold that. I'm not gonna

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quite say it is, but you know, this is this

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is the episode I was expecting to get after Come

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Let's Away. I mean, we had that little gap, I

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kind of you know, the little breather. I know, we

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disagree with that, but this is what I was expecting.

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But because I wanted an episode that was that was

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full of character and emotional growth for for the cadets.

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But this is a sweet plus because it's full of

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of that growth for the doctor and that's the character

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that we're most familiar with. I'm really surprised at that.

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You know, just there's a lot of stand up performances

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in this, both Carrie's Brooks and Mary Wiseman. But I

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want to give a personal round of applause to Robert

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Paccardo for this. You know, we we got to meet him, David,

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and you got to meet him last year one of

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the conventions, and I really hope that we do again

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because I would love to tell him how much I

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loved his performance this season for them matter, any of

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the cats, really that this just is an absolute incredible episode.

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I loved every minute. Was glued to the screen.

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And it went so fast.

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I mean, you know, once it started going on, you

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realize what was happening, and then as it just got

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it got, you know, bigger and bigger and bigger, and

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you just got more emotionally pulled into this episode. And

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then when everything was happening, by the time you get

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into I mean, you just felt drained.

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And it's surprising because this is actually one of the

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longest episodes so far this season. But I didn't feel

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like that. No, not at all.

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No. And I love the touch of all the same stuff.

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When they're on the plant, the black.

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And white and the creatures with the blue, I thought

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that was beautifully done.

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Yeah, and the little petals that are falling, the pink petals, Yeah, yep.

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I was blown away by Robert Priccardo's dramatic range. And

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I will just again, I have not seen all the Voyager.

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Most of Voyager, I always think of him as having

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great comedic timing. I always think of him being a

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great actor when the scenes called for it. But when

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we first meet Sam and the doctor encounter Sam, it's

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a little bit more comedic fair. It's almost kind of

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like annoyance, like Okay, that's great, you're new. Go away.

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The way that they were able to pull through and

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kind of hide his the pain behind that until now,

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and what he was able to bring out in those

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performances was heart wrenching, gut wrenching, just absolutely powerful, and

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I've never seen that in a Robert Pricardo performance. I'm

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sure they're there. I'm not saying he's incapable, but I

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was pleasantly amazed by the way he did.

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up the events. It's an episode, like I said, it

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was during the third season, so that has been like

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a nineteen ninety seven lot that long ago, but it's

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one of those. So it was a phenomenally good episode,

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very heart wrenching and emotional, but then it was never

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brought up again in his character, so you completely forgot

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about it. I'm I got to give a lot of

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kudos to the to the writers for the research that

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they'd done, for for finding that episode and bringing that back,

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because it's one of his best performances of Voyager now

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that I look about it, look back at it, So I,

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like I said, I completely forgot about that episode and

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what happened to it. I never realized that it had

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affected him. His character that strongly.

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I love his personal log at the beginning when he

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says how many dons have I seen alone? And his

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his one line with time is their beef it bites

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us differently, that's I think our man that hits the deep.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean for such a young series,

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this is a very mature episode.

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Yes, it is for season one, damn it.

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And you and the undercurrent of growth too, like we

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literally see Sam getting raised from birth along with the doctor.

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A great direction going with this.

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And I'm curious about this whole thing about her having

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the two memories and and how that will work with her.

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I mean, you know, she she apparently is aware that

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you know, her life before being grown up with the doctor.

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I'm just I'm just curious on how they're going to

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to bring this out, how they're going to develop this

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further in this season and next season.

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I do I do want to call out the composer

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again because, holy crap, I tell you this, he is

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nailing the score.

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A week after week. This one was gorgeous.

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I mean it just it just stood out and just

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flowed with what was going on beautifully. I know when

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they're towards the end I mean, there's so many different

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pieces throughout this episode that was beautiful, but the one

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that just was like, wow, man, that's so good was

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when everyone was excited to see Sam come back and

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all of her friends are there and they're meeting her,

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and the scrge of welled right there.

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I'm like, damn, man, he knocked it out of the.

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Park right there, he did, he did. I hope they

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bring a soundtrack of this out you too. All right,

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let's take a quick break and then we'll be back

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to talk a little bit more about this great episode.

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We're back and we are talking about Starfleet Academy episode eight.

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So now that we've given our opinions of the episode,

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let's take a look at the characters themselves. Which character

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you think shines the most this week?

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Scott the doctor, I think so, yeah, I don't know. Otherwise, no,

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I'll say there are plenty of stand up performances, but

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his his takes the cake. It was very hard not

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to also noticed how much him being called the doctor

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was hitting my ear as a doctor who fan.

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Yeah this know I have that problem too, is he though?

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Yeah? But yeah.

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Robert Priccardo deserves standing ovation for this one, hands down.

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You know, for me, it is the Doctor, don't me wrong.

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But I wanted to cop out a little bit when

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I first was thinking about this question, because I was like,

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you know what, everyone had a phenomenal.

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Character in this episode. All of them did. They really did.

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Everybody shined. But when I really dove down and really thought.

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About the episode in detail, I was like, it has

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to be Rapper Paccardo.

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It has to be the doctor.

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Because just the scene of him explaining why he could

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he stood his distance from Sam, how heartbreaking, how heart

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wrenching that was, which just just won me over right there.

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I mean, watching the pain in his eyes as he

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explains his reasons, you know, followed by the relief in

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quiet joy when he finally embraces that role, pushed this

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performance completely over the top for him, and I had

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to give it to him. And you know, no followed

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anybody else because they all did great. But I'm telling you, man,

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the Doctor. I mean, we've said a lot about his performance, tires,

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I really can't add it much more.

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To it, but without question, man with him.

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Yeah, I mean, you're you're right. There are a lot

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of these characters shine this episode, but I got to

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choose the Doctor too. I mean for the same reasons.

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You know, as I said before, he's the character that

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we're most familiar with. You know, we since spent seven

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years watching him grow from just being an emergency medical

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hologram that could be turned on and off and to

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become a valuable member and of the Voyager team with

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thoughts and emotions and dreams. And then we saw him

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grow even more on that season of Struturk Prodigy that

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he was on. And I want to state that if

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you guys haven't seen that, or anybody out there has

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watched it, please watch it. It's fantastic.

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You know.

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I hope we get to do a review of that

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series here on a phase of such a stunt soon.

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But this episode right here, this is a whole nother level.

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They taken the doctor, you know, showing his tragedy, emotional pain,

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the man that's had to live over eight hundred years,

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so watch everyone that he cared for die around him.

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You know, he's got he's got a whole new purpose now.

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It's one I can't wait to see how they're going

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to take it, where they're going to explore with it.

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It was actually a genius that they brought him into

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this show.

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It really is because not only are you able to

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develop his character more after all those eight hundred years

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and be there for these cadets to help them through,

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but can it gives us as Trekki's and people who

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love Star Trek a connection to this series. You know,

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a more and more emotional because of him, especially if

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you watch Voyager and you know a lot about the

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doctor and Rupert Priccardo, so you know. So I understand

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why they did and I think it's genius that they

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did it, and the fact that we're getting this kind

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of episode.

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Early in the series really was needed in my opinion.

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After seeing this episode.

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Yeah, I agree. All right, if you had any choice

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to be any character that appeared in the episode, which

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one would it be? And why David you start this time?

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So I'm actually gonna go with Tilly on this one

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because she gets to teach something she truly loves while

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also watching her students struggle through it at first. What

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makes it rewarding is seeing her realize that her teaching

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is actually reaching them. I mean, how many teachers probably

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don't get to see something like that as they're teaching

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somebody to get to see that real that happening of

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people watching them change, watching them grow.

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You know a lot of teachers don't get to see that.

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And then when her and je Reno were, you know,

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watching what was happening as they were actually you know,

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realizing they were making the breakthrough, Just how what a

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relief that is for Tilly all the things that she

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has been through over the years on Discovery and getting

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to witness something like this just had to be something

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pure joy, is what it was, because any teacher would

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have pure joy in that moment.

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Yeah, Scott, Yeah, I totally agree.

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I'll just say what Dave said. I mean, I love

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the use of the word joy there because when she

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first comes in, you get that signature Tilly spunk. Is

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that the right kind of word enthusiasm? Right?

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Yeah?

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That that gels completely with Sam and she's like you

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right there, you're my favorite. Those kind of moments were amazing,

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knowing what she's about to kind of unlock in them,

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knowing that she's about to kind of let them know

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what theater can do for people, which is quite a

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bit in a lot of different ways. But then what

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you were just saying made me think about that moment

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where Tilly walks up to Tarima at the end, and

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it feels like that kind of moment where a teacher

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is talking to a student about like we're cool, right,

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like you put we put each other through some things

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to learn some things. I think we understand where each

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other is going. And then walking away not with like

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some kind of embrace, not with some kind of hug

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or anything else like that. But there's that moment that

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Mary Wiseman expertly does here where you can see that

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look on her face, like I can see the fuse that.

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I just lit.

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Yeah, and I know that there's going to be more

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growth and more epiphany and more that comes out of

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this experience, But I can't predict which way that's going

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to go. All I know is that this helped do

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something and to help them get that kind of therapeutic

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breakthrough in just recognizing the usefulness of therapy has got

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to be so rewarding for Tilly, and I love the

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growth that she's had as a character as an actress. Yeah,

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so it would be Tilly for sure.

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Wayne. What about you?

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Well, I agree with both of you who but I

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actually chose Nala keptain hockey, because she really doesn't have

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much to do in this episode. She's just basically a

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character in the background, standing there watching the events unfold.

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But because of that, she's she's and and they like

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they She's like the stagehand in that play that you know,

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our Town. She's quietly pushing, manipulating the events in the

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right direction. You know, we we saw the consequences from

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that episode that come Let's Away, but now we're seeing

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the good and the positive influence that she's making with

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these students.

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You know.

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I I love I just loved her part in there.

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She's watching all this unfold, watching all this this great

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stuff happening to these students that she's in charge of,

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and that that final scene with her was just brilliant.

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I think her those final words and she says what

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a shame it would be not to live every moment

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I And then that final shot in that spotlight, I

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love that. I love every minute of that.

474
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Yeah, although probably need therapy of her own after this, well,

475
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.920
I think the parenting threads that are going through this.

476
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:09.759
She's the perfect companion to the doctor and Sam because

477
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:11.599
she has to be as the camp you know, the

478
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.920
person that's going to reach out to the cask, but

479
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.200
also to help through that moment that I don't think

480
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.559
she was even expecting, but as a as a parent,

481
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:24.480
made total sense for her to be there. You know,

482
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.319
I hope she gets her own moment for that.

483
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.200
Yeah, And you to go back a little bit to

484
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.759
the episode before we move on to the I know

485
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:33.839
Wayne's favorite part.

486
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:36.359
The toothbrush.

487
00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.200
You know, it's something something that's so funny that you

488
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.200
know they happened earlier in the episode, but then had

489
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.880
so much meaning to it when Genesis finds it that

490
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.000
Sam had left it there for her to find, and

491
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.559
her saying that, you know, she gives a toothbrush to

492
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.279
say I love you that. I mean, where would you

493
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.559
hear that at honestly, and it would have that kind

494
00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:01.519
of meaning, right, And it's just it's that's just another

495
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:05.319
simple line that seems so awkward but yet hits so

496
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.680
damn deep in this episode because I mean, we didn't

497
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.839
know if Sam was going to live, because you know,

498
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:14.279
what happened to Bobby, I mean it could have happened

499
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:16.279
to Sam. We don't know, we didn't know where they

500
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.119
were gonna go with this, because I mean, not everybody's

501
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.240
safe anymore sometimes in these episodes, you know.

502
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.880
That's a That's a good point, because honestly, halfway through there,

503
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:25.799
I really thought they were telling that character all id

504
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:27.880
and I was going to be very very mad if

505
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:28.240
they did.

506
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:32.319
Yeah, I mean they linked to the whole thing that

507
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.440
determinate and they did it, and I'm like, are we

508
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:36.920
really losing this character?

509
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:38.000
Holy crap?

510
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.039
I know, I was afraid. She's turned out to be

511
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:42.240
one of my favorite characters, and I'm like, please don't

512
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.160
do that. I think that's how I became most emotionally

513
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.960
involved in this episode, why I was glued to the screen.

514
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.240
Yeah, it maybe angry at commercials, like those commercials are like,

515
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.319
you better not, I don't care what you're trying to sell.

516
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.160
Back'd you do it.

517
00:26:59.279 --> 00:26:59.359
All?

518
00:26:59.480 --> 00:26:59.640
Right?

519
00:26:59.680 --> 00:26:59.759
That?

520
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.160
David said this is my favorite part picking out them

521
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:07.200
easter eggs from the episode, looking really deep and getting

522
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.880
into it. Seem as you can find any This episode

523
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.119
didn't have very many be honestly, not very many that

524
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.000
I saw, but there were a few points that I

525
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.000
wanted to bring out. But did you guys find any?

526
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.319
Maybe you saw some I didn't.

527
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:21.279
All I had was the voyager connection. But we already

528
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:22.880
talked about that. That's all I had.

529
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.720
Yeah, I have nothing except for the fact that what

530
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.799
Dave mentioned about the toothbrush makes me think of Little Mermaid.

531
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:35.640
Well that's right about the Yeah, well, yeah, you're right,

532
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.759
You're right, David. I mean, this is a sequel. As

533
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.880
I mentioned before, if they start to her Voyder episode

534
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.039
Real Life, go watch it. But there was one other

535
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.559
mention that he brings. He says that he spent a

536
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:51.039
lifetime on the planet Gutana, which was a planet where

537
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.799
time moves at a much faster rate than the rest

538
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:55.799
of the universe, just like it was when he was

539
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.519
spending time and Sam was growing up. This then can

540
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.440
be seen in the Star Trek Voyager episode Blink of

541
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.039
an Eye. However, I think I think the doctor's exaggerating

542
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.160
a bit here because he only really spent three years

543
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.359
on that planet, which at that time, let's say that

544
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.720
would have been about eighteen minutes of Voyager's time. But

545
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:16.799
one thing is, this is the first time we actually

546
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.839
hear the name of that planet. It was never mentioned

547
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:20.880
in the Voyager. This is the first time we learn

548
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.799
of it. And then the only other easter egg I

549
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.920
found was when Tilly first appears in the episode. Composer

550
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.119
Jeff Russo snug a little bit of the Star Trek

551
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:35.039
Discovery theme as she walked in, and that is it.

552
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.720
I mean, really, this was a very well I mean,

553
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.759
they didn't spend much time at Starfleet Academy. They you know,

554
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:44.079
spent a lot of time on that other well. I

555
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:48.640
can't think of the name of Sam's planet, but that's it,

556
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.599
thank you, thank you very much. But so you know,

557
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.720
that's a new planet, so I guess there wouldn't be

558
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.039
too many callbacks to spoilers for that.

559
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.000
The planet that looked like a Dungeons and Dragons raw dice.

560
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:06.519
I thought that too, that's what it looks like. All right, Well,

561
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.880
it's obviously we all three of us liked this episode.

562
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:11.480
Is there anything else you guys would like to add

563
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:11.960
about this?

564
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:16.960
The only correction is I loved this episode. Yeah, yeah,

565
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:18.839
that correct.

566
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:24.759
I do have a question though, related to Sam and

567
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:29.519
kind of the nature of her kind of being, and

568
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.359
I'll be interested to see how this plays out. But

569
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:35.519
when she's growing, like when she's first kind of in

570
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.119
the doctor's hands, that she's kind of starting to grow up.

571
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.359
He holds her almost like a seedling, which felt like

572
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:46.079
it was kind of a callback to the intro and whatnot.

573
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:50.079
Do we think that is a physical part of Sam

574
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:54.839
that's always there, That's that's what it is, potonic body, Yes.

575
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.480
That's what it is. And I'm glad you brought that

576
00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.640
up because I didn't clearly this is an easter because

577
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.960
it's not really. But that looks identical exactly the same

578
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.079
as the little thing that is inside of Rimor on

579
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:12.359
rede Wars. It really does. It's a little like, I

580
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.799
don't know what you call four sighted like triangle thinging

581
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.480
that it spins around and creates the hologram. I don't

582
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.039
know if they did it on purpose, art was just

583
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.680
pure coincidence. But the first thing I thought of when

584
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.039
I saw all that that's a good point.

585
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.640
I think it's kind of interesting, like in the Spider

586
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.839
Man books more recently, they got into Sandman having like

587
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.799
a goud particle, like there's one grain of salm that

588
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.960
contains like if that goes away, then Sandman's done. I

589
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.039
feel like it makes Sam as a as a character

590
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.440
more tactile, and we have a little bit more kind

591
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.240
of feeling of danger for her, like she can't just

592
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.960
phase like vision and not get hurt.

593
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.599
Well, yeah, and that brings up another point that I

594
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.039
don't know if I mentioned on the other episodes, but

595
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.000
I know I talked to mention it to you, David

596
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.440
or so is the doctor you know on Voyager in

597
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.559
over for him to walk around and step out aside

598
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.599
of the holiday, he had to have his Hollo emitter,

599
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.880
his mobile Hollo emitter, but we don't see him having

600
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.119
that anymore. So I'm wondering if he has some sort

601
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.759
of technology similar to that we don't know or you know,

602
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.079
what's going on. Are they're hollow emitters now in every

603
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.279
room or what's what's going on there? Which I hope

604
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:25.359
they kind of explain that just as even just if

605
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.599
it's just like a passing mention or something, right, I'm

606
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:28.680
curious about that.

607
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.799
Yeah, I mean too, That's a good bring up because

608
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.640
it's it's hopefully they will explain it both th yep.

609
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.119
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636
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I can't wait till the next one. Three hundredth night

637
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:56.960
looks like everybody Jonathan Frakes and don't look any further.

638
00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.559
I'm just don't look any further because I don't want

639
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:00.680
to spoil it.

640
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.160
I'm not why you know something about it. All I

641
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.759
got is the very vague Paramount blurb on it.

642
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.960
I just after seeing this episode, I want to be surprised.

643
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.000
Okay, me too. Yeah, then I will skip that little bit.

644
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.720
If you guys want to find out what it is,

645
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.480
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646
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.720
Plus or the website. You'll find that out, but very

647
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curious as to what it could mean for our new characters.

648
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:29.519
But as always, we look forward to returning to the

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653
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Just here, buddy.

654
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Thanks