Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E10 New Life and New Civilizations

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1:07 And I'm Skylefman. And today we must talk about Season three, episode ten, the season finale of Star Trek Strange New Worlds titled New Life and New Civilizations written by Dana Horgan and Davey Perez and directed by Maja Bervillo. So at this point forward, it's red alert, folks. There are spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen this episode yet, you really need to stop and being yourself to the nearest view screen and catch it on Paramount Plus, then come back and rejoin us for this discussion. So, Scott, why don't you give us the short summary for the episode. I'll give it a shot. There's a lot of winding through this one. A celebration of Captain Bettel's promotion is cut short when the Enterprise hears from Doctor Corby, who is visiting Skygowe, a distant civilization that worships the evil Vesda as gods. They also learned that the Vesda, formerly trapped in the transporter buffer, has somehow appeared right in front of Doctor Korby. Enterprise makes its way to Corby on Skygowen to investigate, and Vesda, in the form of events in Gamble, hatches a plot to set the other Vesta free to possess everyone on Skygwen as a vessels and spread chaos throughout the universe. Meanwhile, Betel comes to the realization that her destiny is to become the warden that keeps the Vesda imprisoned. Betel battles Gamble in the Vesda prison, gets a glimpse of a life what might have been with Pike and the family they would build, and just before Betel surrenders to her fate, losing her hmanity, humanity forever. She has a brief moment to say goodbye

2:38 to Captain Pike. It's a strange end to the season, but one that's worth discussing for sure. All Right, so this episode has kind of split the fandom down right in the center. Like a lot of the episodes, but this one seemed to me more than most. Let's find out how we liked it. What do you guys think? I like the music web as from season two better if that tells you anything. Oh. Ouch, this this felt like a series finale, not a season finale. It was I did not like it at all. This episode had elements of it trying to be the Interlight from the next generation. It felt like we were going into the nexus of Star Trek generations at times, and I'm sorry, I'm not a fan of this finale.

3:28 I thought it was flat. I felt we were let down. I mean this this season. I mean, we'll get talk about season a little bit later, but it just felt like we had a lot of really good episodes in the season and I knew going. I felt something about three quarters away through the season that like, I'm like, we're really not building up to anything very much, and I knew they were going to give us a resolution to Betel, but even Betel's resolution, I felt like, really, that's what we're going to do with her. Okay, sure, fine, let's move on. I'm glad the finale's done and I can't wait to see season four. But man, not a fan of this episode. Yeah, I mean, I gotta admit I'm feeling the same way, disappointed because we've been talking about not that they had to pursue anto the theories that we came up with, but there's a lot of directions we thought this could go, and this is certainly not one that I expected. It felt.

4:26 It felt like at about twenty minutes in, when there's talk about like destiny and all this other kind of stuff, it was really really feeling odd. There are aspects of certain other series in the start our franchise that go in this direction, and it always feels a little weird because when they get into like higher level mysticism and things like this, it just seems off. The tone just seems off, especially considering where they seem to be going the entire season. It seemed like the are way too willing to accept this whole idea that Bettella's destined to become the Beholder, and you know, thoughts of like, well, I'm going to be a vessel for good that's fighting against you know, the definition of evil. When they get that kind of big and that kind of broad, it just feels like biting off more than they can chew.

5:22 I liked the Chef Pike kind of semi future that we got, but it didn't have the same kind of surprise element that things like Interlight had. It didn't really make you think. The whole time you knew that it was like, all right, this is a dream sequence. The knock at the door is obviously him being beckoned into the present day, real world whatever, So you knew that it wasn't real. You knew that it was going away. There were aspects of it that were well written, but then ultimately kind of the resolution just felt weird. Yeah, I'm conflicted with this episode two, more more so than what I was earlier this season with another episode.

6:05 I just well, first let me say that this this just isn't the season finale I thought we were going to get. I don't know what exactly I was expecting, but it wasn't this. I know that this was not on my radar. It's just it's just not how I thought but Tell's story would play out. I think that's the biggest problem I have with it. You know, I just didn't think that that was the direction it was going, or for that matter, with Instant Gamble and the VESDA, I didn't think that's the way that story was. And I'm not extremely happy with what we got. You know, I don't think it. I mean, it's not a bad episode in my opinion, but it's not like it's definitely not the best. It's definitely not even in the top five or six of the season.

6:55 You know. I applaud the producers for trying for giving us a season finale that delivers something different, because you know, the the last two season finales used legacy characters or alien races or something, so you know, I just I don't know. I I you know, the writers had come out and said that they had written this as a series finale, and which that explains why you didn't have a cliffhanger. But I'm really glad that that didn't happen, because, you know, as a season finale, I'll accept it, but if this was a series finale, I would have been completely baffled and probably a little bit angry from the whole thing.

7:38 I just I don't know. I guess when we first saw the Vesta back in through the Lens of Time, I had high hopes that, you know, the series was creating a new Battie, a really interesting Batty for strange worlds, and I think I even mentioned that, you know, it felt like an ongoing story that would carry on maybe for the XT couple of seasons. But this feels like an end of that story, and we still know very little about that race and what they can do. It just it seems like just a horrible missed opportunity for a great what could have been a great storyline that would have been original interesting. You know, I hope we see them again, but you know, I hope they didn't just just throw them away on this episode, but you know, I fear they may have. And and speaking of throwing away, what was the point of even having in sant Gamble there?

8:33 It just felt wrong. I mean, you know, he he came comes in and then he's defeated almost immediately. It just seemed hardly worth even bringing him back. I don't. I'm with you guys and this I think over the last two episodes that we've reviewed, I think this is the only episode that we both or all three of us kind of agree with. It just didn't work. It just felt like a lot of wasted potential, Like in the audition, like why did Gamble come back? Why was am Benga in the portal? Because it seemed like we had, you know, an interesting setup with his backstory, an interesting kind of connection there. He had, you know, a brave moment certainly when he was ready to just end his own life to stop gambling his tracks. But then it just seems like he's kind of cast to the side when the Vesda is able to you know, attack the Beholder. It seems to have to you know, spend a lot of time and a lot of build up doing it, when it seems like it would want to just you know, be a little bit more persistent at chipping away at it. And it seems like they've built up such an interesting character with Betel to basically have her stand as like this statue for the rest of time. It seems like a wasted potential. I would have liked to have seen betel Be, you know, a character that's related but knowing that she's got the promotion, has some tension about her being distant and Pipe being distant and having to face that future together. It's interesting,

10:07 we got to see it, but it's kind of waste of potential for that kind of tension to go away. If it was written as a series finale. It just seems like maybe they should have taken the time to say, like, nope, we're locked in it for two more seasons. Let's go ahead and dig in and make this something different. Yeah, and David, you were right too about. It. Definitely was not a I like what they were doing with Pike, and I understand what they were doing, but it was so much like The Interlight and I'm sorry, the Interlight is ten times better. Oh yeah, you know, I also got you know, I also thought about Startup Generations too, which even that was that little bit there was done better. Just like I said, I understand what they're doing, but I just with everything that happened around it, I just can't say that one thing redeemed the episode.

10:57 I think when when we first realized what was going on, that they were back at his house and stuff, like that. I was like, oh, look we're in the nexus. That was a ma immediately thought, yeah, we're in the Nexus. I'm like, okay, cool. Of course it wasn't. When it drug on you realized what was going on. But I mean, I agree Scott that this villain was horrible. I'm sorry, and this is no put down to Gamble in the actor. I felt like this villain I will equal to the tar villain that killed Tasha y Are because it is a horrible. Villain in this film. And me this episode and another thing, I think, when I look back now at this season, I should have seen the warning signs this was coming because all the bottle episodes we.

11:42 Had in this season, we really didn't have a overawe. Arcing season going on here story in this season, with the exception of Patel, we didn't. We had a lot of bottle episodes, and with that happening that this is what we get for the finale and we should have it coming. To be honest with you, did. Either one of us did any of us actually think this is the direction oftell was going? No, No, not at all, not at all. Now, now, maybe maybe, just maybe, if they'd given us a two parter for this and and gave a. Little bit more room. Maybe it might have worked, Yeah, but I still don't think it would have with where they went with Batel and the villain they gave us. You know, I'm I always try to find good stuff in episodes, and there are some good things in this episode.

12:32 I absolutely love the spot and Kirk stuff. When he finally tells him call me Jim, I love that and I felt it deep down in my in my bones. Yeah, I'm using that pun, but I felt it. You know that that relationship is going further. But as an episode, man so let down. Yeah, I agree, I mean there was there are some good bits about it. I do like even though it's a copy of the Intererlte, I do like what they did and their idea of doing it, and I thought they'd be acting. The actors were fantastic, especially especially Anson Mount. He did a phenomenal job in this episode because you know, his character was going through a lot. But it's just they're just not up there to redeem the whole thing.

13:16 And I you know, David, you mentioning that making maybe, I mean, if they made this a two parter to be continued, I don't know. Maybe they could have come up with something else that could have made more sense. I don't, I don't know. I don't. Like I said, I'm conflicted with this epide. It definitely pales in comparison to the finale we got last year year, with the last season, I should say without question, yeah, And it's just, man, it's just I don't know what they were thinking in this, that this was the way to go. I don't, I don't know. I'm so confused, I really am. Almost Both finales we've got up to this point give us a lot to talk about, think about, and anticipate, and this one, I'm just anticipating the canuation of the series and knowing that, you know, I've got faith in the creative team behind it that they're going to take it into a better direction. But it's it's it's tough when you've got, you know, you're trying to advocate for a show that you know there's doing really really well to have something that kind of throws us off. I feel like what I was hoping for, you know, and I don't need to see Bettel turn into a Gorn, but it did seem like there might have been a little bit more depth there, especially because everything we've been seeing, everything that's been teased, points to the Gorn, nothing necessarily points to this whole Beholder thing, So it seems like it could have gone that way. It seems like the Vezda could have been drawn out into kind of like

14:48 the you know, the puppet masters behind the scenes that have been orchestrating a bunch of little things that are going wrong. I don't know, it just surprised me. And it's like, as soon as I I heard them talk about destiny and I'm supposed to be Beholder and all this other kind of stuff, and she had like the stars in her eyes and things like that. There were just several little things that made me start to check out bit by bit, and then I was just kind of waiting for it to be over to see where I was going to. I was actually hoping that at the very end there would be some kind of twist that would keep us talking and thinking about the season until we get more. But I will say, this is the first episode when you said you checked out, This is the first episode that I checked out about halfway through it, like I had it on. But it got to the point that it became background noise.

15:40 I was the same way, exactly the same way. I'm glad both of you brought that up. I just about halfway through, I'm like, you know, I'm losing interest. And I kept on watching it, and of course I watched it again for this podcast for the notes, but it just didn't hold me like the rest of the episodes this season. The whole thing reminds me so much of the third Sees A Discovery, where I loved every episode. I thought it was an incredible idea. The build up was fantastic, but the last episode of the season was such a huge, huge letdown, so much that I almost stopped watching the entire series. I'm not gonna stop watching this one, so I am looking forward to next season. I love these. Characters too, but uh, it's it's difficult to to after following for ten weeks, well nine weeks, uh, this season, to have to to end here and wait another eleven twelve months for the next episode.

16:35 At least it's only eleven or twelve months. It's not like the last year. Yeah, yeah, you know, And I know they'll rebound. I know they will, Oh yeah, you know. It's but you know, and I don't blame this on the actors the cast, because they're all phenomenal. Whatever you give them, they're going to give. They're going to give one hundred and they always do. And and there's again, there's so many moments in here that I laughed. I laughed at Gotti when he when he spoke as Pellia and capitals, Like, would Pellias ever say that as a vampire? It's not like he was a vampire. Uh, you know, I mean there were some funny things in this episode, and then the whole ending too, like I kind of like hit it?

17:16 Is this a hit it moment? You know? And Erica was like, you know, I like hit it and when he basically told her, you know, go, you know, go go out, go as fast as you want. But overall, yeah, no, that that ending. The final scenes of the episode, though, did did interest me a little bit in the fact that now they've got what new charts with lots and lots of new planets to explore. You know, I'm hoping that it seemed that first of all, that that scene seemed like a little tack on scene. I think they added that when they realized that series was gonna go on for another two years, but you know, it gives me a lot of hope for next season that we're going to see a lot of original stuff. I love the continuity ideas, I love of seeing things from Star Trek, but I also like the new ideas of it, and I'm hoping this brings a whole bunch more.

18:04 Yeah, let's put this behind us and move on. Yeah, speaking of speaking of tact on, not to lead the Witness, but I do want to kind of ask a resident doctor who Megafan, your opinion about Pelly is Lyne. Yeah. I thought it was funny. Yeah, and I'll. Mention that in Easter Eggs too, got a little more detail. But yeah, yeah, you know, I think I think it's funny. I did, I do? I mean, I like, I love the ideas as a doctor grew fan, I love those little callbacks to other series. Yeah. Yeah, I'll leave it at that. All right. So, now that we've given our thoughts and opinions on the episode, Uh, let's take a look at the characters themselves. Which character do you think shying the most this week?

18:53 David? I mean, as much as I want to give, I hated where they took her character, I'm still going with Betel on this one. You know, she still put her all into this and having to go through that she didn't have a choice of what her destiny and I'm using air quotes here of what it's going to become, and she needed to say goodbye to Pike. I liked the whole dialogue between the two. Of them, you know, having kids and all that kind of stuff, and the makeup that they did on two of them when they were both very elderly. I thought that was extremely well done. Yeah, it was. So I've got to go. With Patel on this one. So even though I don't like what they did with her character, I still think she shined Scott.

19:36 Yeah, I absolutely agree, and I mean, you know, knowing that it's the last time we're possibly going to see her, maybe in a cameo later. I got to give credit to Melanie Scrafano, the actress that plays Captain Betel, I think has consistently done a great job. I think this is no different despite you know, not necessarily agreeing with the direction of the story of the dialogue. I think she did a great job, especially in the Chef Pike sequences. It seemed like they were genuinely a married couple. I like the fact that they gave Patel the or Patel the the chance to be able to give Chris that life that they never thought that they would get. And I thought it was a beautiful moment when he you know, walks up to his apron later and kind of holds it up and then kind of lays it down with the blank space. You see the absence there and it pulls your hearts drings. So that's a Captain battel.

20:42 Well, I'm going to give this to Captain Pike because throughout this season I've always felt that Pike has been kind of under us. You know, there have been a couple of episodes whereas he's hardly even appeared in. But you know, here in this episode, he really does shine out in my opinion, you know, despite the script that they're working with Danson, Mount does give an incredible performance and could be, in my opinion too, one of his best performances of the season. You know it the episode put did put Pike in some really emotional situations. You know, he faced a lot of hard questions, especially you know, the type of life that he would lead or or never lead.

21:23 I guess due to. His future accident, but you know, his time, that scene, the vision scene would would tell is definitely some of the episode's strongest scenes. And he just does an incredible job performing this. So I have to give it his Pike and answer and mount for his performance. Now, if you have any choice to be any character that appeared in this episode, do we want to be any character that appeared in this episode? But all right, let's pick one. Which one would you like to be? In Why Scott you begin this one? I'd go with Chef Pike because despite the heartbreak of you know, not being able to live that life, he still got to experience it. He still got to share that time with Battel. I wasn't necessarily clear on whether they both were kind of living an entire lifetime in a condensed space of time. But if he did, he was living the life that he always wanted. It seemed like there was enough enough things where it didn't feel like for the man who has everything, where everything seemed a little too idyllic or a little too good.

22:42 So I'm going to go with Corby two reasons. Reason Number one is he is basically space Indiana Jones, and number two, he gets to locked lips with Chapel. So just get right to it, and I'm gonna get right to it. That's right. Yeah, uh so, I mean he had to suffer a little bit, but uh yeah, definitely, Corby. I'm again, I'm going to choose Captain Pike because this episode was a really important point in his life and he's been given an incredible gift from Betel the memories of a happier, longer life, which is something that he didn't have before. You know, he knew that his he knew how his life was going to end, as you know, very soon with the accident, and that he'd end up in that hover chair blinking, you know, as a one life or no or two for yes, you know, for the rest of his life. And that's I mean, that's gonna be a really depressing weight on your head, knowing that you know, this is where it's going to go.

23:40 You know, you know, I'm just kind of you know, counting the days down until that happens. But now now he's been able to give you know, he has another idea, another an alternate life. You know, that this life that he always wanted in his head. So now that you know everything that happens afterwards is just you know, extra now and that even when he's in the chair, you know, he can look back and remember this life that he had with Mattel, And I think that's wonderful. I think I think that's probably the good thing that came out of this episode is now Pike has a little bit different outlook of his ending. Yeah, it's good call. Yeah, yes, all right. Now we're gonna dive deep into the episode and see if we can pull out any Easter eggs. And there wasn't too many this week. But did you two, either one of you find anything.

24:29 I just got the uh am calling Jim for the first time, trying to call it Jim. That's about all I caught. Scott. Yeah, I mean, the only thing was what I mentioned before about Pellya's mentioning a time traveling doctor. Although what I thought was kind of interesting is was she trying to kind of like stop herself from saying time traveling and then say traveling doctor instead. Oh, I got the impression that she started to saying it and realize maybe she shouldn't tell. Anybody about him. That's the impression I got, which makes me beginning to think that you know, maybe Star Trek and doctor who is in the same universe now, and maybe that is what they're leading to after this and then the appearance of the tartists in the Salot who ate its tale.

25:17 You know, I'm really interested in seeing, you know, where they want to go with this. And you know, BBC, if you're listening, uh, putting Carol Kine in the next season, a doctor who wouldn't be too bad. I wouldn't mind that, So you know, can we see that a little bit interesting? Yeah? All right, Well I found just a couple and I really had to pull for a few of these. But herst prank of telling Scottie to come in his formal dress is actually a callback from the second episode of the season, titled Children of the Comment, which where our tegas had tricked or her into dressing up for Captain Pike's dinner party. That episode was also directed by the same person that did this episode. There were a few mentions.

26:03 There was a mention of the planet Rigel from the original series pilot The Cage, and there were a few mentions of Pike's fate from the Menagerie. There was also a brief call to the Daystrom Institute, which appeared in everything from Star Trek The Next Generation to start Trek the Card and I also know actually this is a little bit of what I think. It's a little bit of a blooper. This is this is something that I don't think they caught. But in Pike's vision, the character of Elijah April, the boy who was marrying their daughter, He's wearing a Science Division version of the Starfleet Cadet uniform. But by the time the scene should be taking place, he actually should be wearing the cadet uniforms that we see in Startrek two and three, you know, the red maroon jumpsuits. Yeah, that whoops herbs. All right, let's conclude with how to look back at the season as a whole.

26:55 Which episode was your favorite? Which ones do you think just didn't hit right? Any closing thoughts of the season you'd like to share, David Scott. So, for me, my favorite episode has to be Shut Up to KINFORI seeing zombies and Star Trek was new, but getting to see and then Banga getting the history wrapped up basically kind of you know, because we talked about that, Wayne, you and I what we expected to see this season. So I felt that was a good move and it happened pretty quick into the season. Not just that, but Babs gave an absolute stellar performance in that episode, and I really love his character and I love where the way they keep going with it, and every time he's on screen, I'm excited to see it and to see what he's going to do because he's an incredible They're all incredible actors, but for some reason, Babs just does such a wonderful job in that role and I just love to see it. But and then the fact that they're you know, it's a nod too the actor KENFORI as well is a big thing for me.

27:57 I know, we've got Scarefest coming up up in Lexington and can Foroury's going to be there. I'm going to go out and talk to him and ask him. How he feels that he had a Star Trek episode in his honor, yes, a planet named after him, to see how he reacts to that. But that's my favorite episode. As for the season itself, I kind of talked a little bit earlier in this episode that I felt like they had too many bottle episodes in this season. And it's hard to say because I love Bottle episodes. I love what they can do with them, and we had a lot of good episodes here, you know, I remember saying week after week, Man, I don't know, this feels like this is my favorite episode. This feels like this is my favorite episode, and.

28:37 They had a lot of good stuff throughout it. I just felt like, and it did kind of go back to the original Star Trek where you get each episode is. You know, inside itself. It doesn't have that story arc that goes over the entire season, and even the next generation did that, you know. I think d Spaceline was the first one that finally did the story arc you know, throughout the season. So I felt like, this. Is kind of a callback to that older stuff. But when you have so much going on, and you know that the Patel stuff you have, that's kind of a story arc you got going on. But I think they kind of like let it out, then it disappeared, then they talk. A little bit about it, and then they let it disappear.

29:18 It wasn't like what we got with the Gorn and stuff like that in previous season. So I felt like with all the Bottle episodes, and again, it should have been our warning sign that the finale was going to be like this. I felt let down by that, But as a season, I thought we had some pretty good, strong episodes this season, so I have to say it was a successful season with the exception of the finale. Scott, Yeah, I agree with that last statement. There were so many times when we said, I don't know what this might be my favorite episode, which is a mark of a good season. It is interesting kind of looking back at how many bottle episodes there were, but it also feels like any one of these, with the accept the season premiere, any one of these could be something you used to kind of introduce somebody to the season or show it to somebody to say, like, this is the potential at starter I still has for me. I'll be interested to hear thoughts on this, But to me, my favorite was the one that I didn't get a chance to talk with you two about, which is four and a.

30:23 Half fulcons one. It was a lot of fun, even the I didn't understand the title until I saw the episode, and then I was like, it's so obvious and it's such a jabb at spot. You could hear him like, fine, four and a half fulcons whatever. That one to me just kind of there were some dramatic elements. Obviously you knew it was kind of a funnier episode, so it wasn't going to have major consequences, but it still had interesting insights into each of the characters, still had some great impact, and Patton Oswalt's character was just hilarious. So Wayne, what about you.

31:03 I really enjoyed the season. While I don't think it was quite as strong as the last season, there were a lot of high points in it, like well, like you said, shuttlety Foy and another one through the Lens of Time is another one that was really good. A lot of good character building this season. I feel like the actors and the writers are now they're now comfortable with their characters. Well not just their characters, but the cast altogether feel much more comfortable, so they can now expand rather than you know, not just explore, but expand their characters. But I think my favorite episode ended up being Tyrannium last episode because I just felt it we finally got that great Ortegas episode that we'd always been wanting.

31:47 Plus it's just it was a really strong episode, well acted directed, the effects were fantastic. I just I loved it. It was an episode that fit perfectly into the Star Trek lore but didn't know rely heavily on continuity, and I think just stood out for me from above all the other. That's a good choice. I wrestled with Chisen Terraria myself, But then I was. Like, I was the same way I wrestled with four and a half Falcons. Which is that's a that's a sign of a good season, right, It's hard to make. A choice, it is. Yeah, absolutely, I'm a sucker for horror, so that's why I went with the zombies. Oh yeah, yeah, you don't get.

32:27 To see that in Star Trek too much. I thought that was a unique way for them to go. But yeah, I mean I struggled. The four and half Falcons was absolutely sterical, and Scott we even mentioned and that we wish you. Were there to talk to us about because it was so much fun. It really was a lot of fun. Doug was amazing in that episode. Doug. Yes, I think it's interesting, like the range of choices that we have here. It shows the range of Star Trek and the potential for it to move forward. There's definitely some some genre pushing. It's not necessarily what you might expect from conventional sci fi or what you might expect from Star Trek. And I think they're handling that really well. They're going in the good directions. They don't. I love that.

33:09 I love that that they're pushing the boundaries of Star Trek. You know, we're not just getting another you know, cookie cutter Star Trek series, you know, like like we had gotten, you know, we don't we need that. This is just pushing everything. This is trying things new, and I really commend them for doing that, and it makes it makes Strange New Worlds a more dramatic and a more fun and more enjoyable series to watch. So I hope they continue, and I know they are because next season we got the puppet episode and I'm really really curious to see what they're going to do with that. Absolutely. So, do you guys think we'll see an Oe character next season introduced? I do? I would think so. Yeah. I don't feel like they're gonna think it's.

33:49 Going Do you think it's gonna be Suoneer? Do you think it's gonna be Bones McCoy. I think it'll be Bones. I think it's time to introduce them because we got we got membenga storyline, which they really haven't. We have no idea what what the heck happens to him, you know, and they're going to explore They have to explore it, especially if they're leading towards this Star Trek year one series that they're talking about every ice talking about. So I do think Bones is going to be next season's character, and I think they're going to start the beginning of that story. You know, now that they lost Gamble, they need help mm hmm. So maybe that is how they get McCoy.

34:29 So here's another interesting twist to think about. Jim is still on the Farragut. Yeah, and we don't know who the medical chief of staff. There is no is it possible that Bones could be on the Farragut with Jim? But did he come from the though that we don't know? That's true, We don't know he could have. I mean that that's yeah, who knows. I never even thought of that. That's that's a good call to Wow, he knows Bones. Right, And what I would like them to do, and I trust that they'll do so, is that they'll leave room for continuing to have Chapel and a Benga. I would love to see them see it all the way through. Oh, even though I know that Jones is destined to be there, I don't want them to say like, well, there's too many people in medical, which I would argue, no, there's never enough people in medical. But you know, interesting with how Bones has that kind of I would say, kind of a contentious personality and the conflict that might happen with Spock that I just I wouldn't want him set up in such a way that it's just like God, that Bones guy.

35:44 Right. Well, I don't see them bringing any of the new other characters on as regular. It's not like what they do with Scotty, because if they've already got a full house right now, and in order for them, in my opinion, in order for them to bring any of the other character you know, mccoyr or Sulu in full time, they'd have to get rid of one of the other one. I don't know. Maybe that's the way they're leading for, but I really do think if it is Bones, and I think it is going to be for next season, because I think they'll say Suli for if not season five, for this new series that they're talking about. But I don't think he'll be a regular. I think he'll be like Kirk, and that may pop up once or twice, and. That's it makes sense. I feel like we'll see or Tagus continue to gradually grow and kind of ascend to a point where she all those kind of you know, outgrows enterprise or season possibility to go on to other things, maybe even get into a command position on another ship like that direction that we saw Sulugo right now, and leave an open chair for him, but not an empty chair, right.

36:48 And that's it for this season of Star Trek Strange New Worlds, as well as this week's episode of Phaser Set is done. We'd like to open a channel to our listeners and here just what you thought about the most recent episode and this season in general. You can email us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com, find us online at a film by podcast dot com, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and x and if you're looking for more content or swag, you can join a Patreon and find out what exclusive gyms are hidden within. A big thank you once again to my fellow trekkers David and Scott for joining me and the listeners over the last nine weeks reviewing this season. Yep, thanks, can't wait, can't wait to dig into the next season.

37:29 Yeah, what's so, guys? Before we let the listeners go, what are. We doing next? We're sad to see Strange New Worlds end for the year, but we have two more seasons yet to come, starting with season four sometime in twenty twenty six, and of course there will be more Phaser set to stun coming your way to fill the gap. In a few weeks, we begin our look back at another Trek series, where we will bring you our top ten episodes of Star Trek Deep Space nine, season by season. A new starter treks with a look at each season of the nineteen ninety three to ninety nine series, giving you the low down on which episodes you should watch and which ones you can avoid, plus our usual thoughts and opinions, along with some fun trivia and behind the scenes info. Well you guys, think about that.

38:13 I'm very excited to start digging into the Space nine. I really that wait that way. Yeah, we're both fans of that series, and I can't wait to do a rewatch and delve back into this because it was a great series when it aired absolutely well. We look forward to returning to the twenty fourth century and to you our listeners on the next episode of Phasers, set to stun. Man. I forgot how many seasons and episodes there are in Deep Space nine. There's a seven seasons, a lot of episodes. That's things. Yes it is, Yes it is. I know. I was looking at the first season trying to decide which episodes. You know, we know episode one is gonna be one.

38:55 Come on, yeah, and on the season finale that's in. The finale for it. There's two. We just got to come up with the eight more. I can tell you which one's gonna be my fleet's favorite. But