Sept. 10, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S3.E9 Terrarium

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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On "Phasers Set To Stun," we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more. On this week's episode, our crew continues their conversation about the third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Join us for a recap of episode 9, Terrarium!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt.

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In this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we

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continue to show our love for every quadrant of the

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expanding Star Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,

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and much more.

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Plotting the course. As always, it's your Core Trek crew.

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I'm Scott Hoffmann, I'm David Burns, and I'm Wayne White.

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And in this episode, we're continuing our coverage of Strange

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New Worlds Season three. Specifically, we're covering episode nine Terrarium,

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written by Alan B. McElroy and directed by Andrew Kots.

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I think that's is that the way to say it? Coots? Sure, sure,

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tell us in you're kind.

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Since it's so new, we're calling for a red alert

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on spoilers. If you haven't seen this latest episode, please

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go and watch and come back to join us when

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you're done. All right, Dave, let's break it down, tell

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us what this episode is all about.

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Well, first, Scott, I want to say, welcome back. I

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want to know, has anyone noticed Scott isn't around when

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Pellia is around, and it's vice versa.

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It's no, no, no, no, don't don't look at don't

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look at the pelly behind the ground.

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They're never in the same room together. Something to think about. Okay,

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because he's not in this episode.

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To here, Scott, You guys did a great job of

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the last episode.

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That was an amazing, amazing episode. So I'm sorry I.

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Missed that, but I'm sorry you missed it because it

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was a good episode.

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Yeah, all right, let's dive into this.

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One, all right. The Enterprise is on a mission exploring

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a part of the galaxy that has some strange phenomenon

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that not even Spock can explain. Erica is put in

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charge of taking a shuttle on a solo motion into

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a nebula to get some readings the Enterprise can't get,

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but upon doing this, a wormhole opens up and takes

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Erica and the shuttle. The Enterprise desperately tries to find

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her quickly as they are under pressure to get a

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medication to some colonists. After escaping the wormhole, Erica crash

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lands on a moon where her only survival is to

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befriend an enemy at Gorn that she discovers has crash

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landed as well. They work together against all odds that

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seem almost impossible, only discover in the end that there

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were nothing more than labyrats and an experiment to see

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what would happen when two enemies are forced to help

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each other, in a callback to a very famous episode

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of the original Star Trek known as the Arena.

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Yeah, I don't know what it is about rude aliens

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kidnapping us for experiments, but it gets yeah tiresome.

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In this episode, it didn't. I'll start off with first

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reactions to this episode.

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This one caught me by surprise in so many ways.

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But I'm very glad that I was surprised by my

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expectation that we were going to lose Erica. Every time

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there's some ortagis focus, I think, oh, this is it.

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They're they're building this up. But I was pleasantly surprised

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by this one.

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I go ahead about you.

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I was I was too to be a surprise on

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this and because once I learned what was going on,

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I felt like, this is going to fall into that

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trope trap that you know we've we've seen this a

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few other times. I know the next generation did it

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with the Enemy, but it was Romulins instead of a Gorn,

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and I felt like, again, let's talk about the end

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of the movie Enemy mind. But you know, I really

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enjoyed this episode a lot. It really shined on Eric

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Ortegas in this episode. And another thing that I really

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liked too was the Gorn. The design of the Gorn.

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I swore it straight from the Dark Crystal, the way

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the way they had designed the Gorn, and I love

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that about it. I loved how they had to work

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together to communicate with one another. I thought that was

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incredibly well done. You know, agree, disagree, you know, I

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love that about it. But no, I thought Erica was

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fantastic and an episode she needed to heal, even though

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the way it ended was yet another depressing ending. For

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crying out loud with what happens to the Gorn. I

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when she blew her lid at the ending, like that

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just upset, you know, screaming. You know I was too.

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I was like so upsets, say, oh my god, you

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just killed this Gorn and you didn't need to do that.

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But and she even stated at the end of the episode,

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you know, you know the Gorn was my friend, Elann's

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my friend. How did I process that? You know? So

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I loved this episode for.

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Erica, Wayne, what about you?

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Yeah, this really surprised me to this is not the

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direction I thought they were going to be going with

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this story. First of all, I didn't think we'd ever

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see the Gorn again. Actually physically I'm glad we did.

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But you know, with the when they when we first

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saw that or Tagus was suffering from the PTSD from

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agim Andy, I just I didn't think this is the

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way it was going to end, with her having a

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completely new outlook on the Gorn, realizing that they're not

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exactly the monsters you know that everyone thought they were.

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I really thought it was going to be a different direction,

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and I wasn't sure if she was going to survive

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the season or not. To tell you the truth, it

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was fifty to fifty in my opinion, because we really

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don't know if she was coming back next season or not.

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There's never been anything that's been said, but I'm glad

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that they did this did it this way. I thought

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it was a fantastic episode. It's definitely stories that we've

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seen many many times before in Star Trek, and I'll

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mention it later, but it works. It really those times

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the stories work for Star Trek, you know, taking one

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character and throwing in with the enemy on a planet.

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It just seems to work all the time on the episodes.

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And I'm glad that you chose or tag us for

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this because I think all of us agree that we

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needed an episode strictly about her. She needed something that

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that centered on her, and this was perfect for her.

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And that ending. It's so open ended, you know, I'm

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worried that they're going to just forget this. I hope

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they don't, but this whole I don't know that the

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tension now that's going to come up between or take

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us in Lawn. I hope that they explore that next

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episode or at least next season, because this is something

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that I think that there's a lot of dramatic possibility

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in the storyline for this, and I'm hoping that they

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don't fall into that whole Star Trek trope and just

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you know, forget about it next week.

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You know, one of the things that I I really

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love to I talked about Erica needed this for her healing.

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Just the one scene where she falls asleep comfortably next

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to the gorn. I thought that scene with perfect and

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it was needed because it showed Erica was like, Okay,

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you know, I've made friends with this gorn. I get

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it now. Sure there's still enemies, don't get me wrong,

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but you know, at that moment, you realized Erica has

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pushed through her PTSD to a point and now she's

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going to have it with Lawn but for crying out,

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she just can't win.

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Well, it's interesting that you're both wearing up with a

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lot of great points. First of all, it didn't even

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occur to me this is the first episode focused on Erica,

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because there's so many great episodes that focus on her development.

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And I'm glad that we did get an episode that's

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completely focused on her because Dave, to your point, this

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is a lot of growth. It's her getting through her PTSD.

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Not to say that it's gone entirely, but it certainly

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has taken a step forward. And one of the things

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that it makes me think of, and I don't remember

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the name of the episode, but there is the balance

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of terror. Episode where Pike sees the future if he

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continues to be the Captain, and Erica has a very

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specific kind of reaction to the Romulans, which seems to

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be very similar to Lan's approach to the Gorn right,

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So seeing her grow in that way, I think is

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very interesting. I think it's she gets the chest piece

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that she keeps can remind me of the Inner Light.

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That was a nice touch.

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I like that prim neish generation.

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And I think it'll be interesting to see what happens

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with the Gorn. You know, it's building up to something,

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and I don't know if it's going to happen in

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the next episode or if it's waiting until the next season,

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but it'll be interesting to see how much she wants

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to kind of see the Gorn in another light, or

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try to reach them or try to community with them.

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Although the Gorn won't have any awareness of this at all,

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Enterprise has the benefit.

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Of knowing that there's communication, that they.

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Possibly speak our language without being able to communicate that

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way or at least understand. I wasn't sure if that

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was just because of the communicator that she had built

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for because the Gordon was like, yeah, I've been listening

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to you this whole time. I just haven't been able

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to reciprocate. But the Gordon will be completely unaware, whereas

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Enterprise has the benefit of hearing what Erica.

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Has to say.

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I want to shout out to the actor stunt performer

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Warren Shearer, who played the Gordon in this episode and

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has apparently played the Gordon in several other episodes throughout

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this series. Has a long list of credits, but I

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agree Dave like the movements very reminiscent of Dark Crystal

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and did a great job with nonverbal communication, the subtle cues.

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It gave a lot of character this Gorn that I

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never expected to see. And I don't know if it's

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this Gordon specifically. I don't know if it's something about

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the female Gorn or if it's all Gorn.

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We've just seen the ones that are geared for war.

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I don't know. It's a very interesting look at them.

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Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up too, because I'd

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love to see some behind the scenes filming of this,

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because it looked like they were using a practical costume

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for the movie at times, and it was really really

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well done. Because he is the first close up true. Look,

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we got at the Gorn, and we got a lot

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of flashes in the other episodes. This time we actually

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got to see them, you know, on screen for a

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long time, and it just it looked great. I actually

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could see the development between this Gorn and the original

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series Gorn. You know, everybody makes fun of the rubber mass,

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but I can see, you can see that the connections,

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the little bits that they put in there into this costume.

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It was just beautiful created.

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Yeah, another thing that I really liked about this. So

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there's so much I liked about this episode. But one

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of the things that I liked that the writers did

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was the Pike stuff. I liked that, you know, A

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Horror pulled a lot Erica when she fudged the numbers.

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It was you know, she pushed it to six over

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sixty percent, which is what it was needed before Pike said, Okay,

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we'll do it. But Pike knew, he knew she did that.

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But I like Pike's all his responses because he says,

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you know, A Horror was like, I don't want to

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give up. I don't want to give up. Pipe is We're

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not going to give up yet, you know, we need

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to bring Erica home, and he was going to bat

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for one crew member, you know. And I love that

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about him because I mean, obviously, you know in Una

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was pushing we got to go because you know, we

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got to go take care of these colonists. There's like

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four thousand colinists who need this medication. You know, if

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they don't get it, they're not going to survive. But

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Pike was still like, you know, I know we got

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to do that. We still got a little bit of time.

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So a horror, you got this, but I got a

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limited amount of time to do. That just proved to

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me that you can do it. I just love how

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he went to bat for Erica.

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I like the way that they that they portrayed Una

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in this story though. I mean she was the first officer.

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That's her job to give the alternates, to try to

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get tell the captain you know, hey, this is what

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we got to do. You could really see the the hurt,

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the you know, it was rough for her to say

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that she did not want to leave her behind, but

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she had to say it.

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That's her job.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it was just interesting in that scene, like Horo

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was not being subtle at.

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All, Like with her alone. She was like, sure, hold

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on a second, and then come on, and you're feeling nobody.

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But yeah, his his reactions, you know, the first one

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in the the meeting room where he says, hey, nobody

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says her, given up on her.

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Yeah, we're gonna do what we can. And then on

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the bridge when he acknowledges.

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Like, I know that you fudge the numbers, but it's

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with in a you know, an acceptable variance or whatever,

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and he was willing to let it go. But also

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interesting that we don't usually see that side of a hurrah,

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that she's going to you know, lie, or that she's

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going to fudge in that way. In a way, it

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almost shows a little bit of I think Pike could

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see that as desperation, but he could also see that as.

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A you know, kind of a moment when she didn't.

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Trust him, Like she could have said like it's at

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fifty six, like can we go with that, and he'd

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be like, all right, I'm willing to do fifty six,

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you know. So just an interesting decision in that moment.

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What I like about the writer this thesp too. And

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I need to go back and watch the other seasons

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to see if they did this, but they love to.

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Lean on other films and stuff that they put in,

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like little kidbits. One of the things that I laughed hysterically.

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Clearly somebody was a fan of Castaway because when she's like,

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I made water, I've made water, And it was almost

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like Tom character saying I made fire, you know, celebrating.

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It's what it felt like to me, And I love

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that scene.

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Yeah.

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Well, the whole plot is kind of a blend of

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enemy Mind in the Truman Show. Yeah right, yeah, but

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these metrons that could have been like, you know, you

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could have done this another way and accomplished this without

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torturing somebody having them eat you know, centipede sushi and

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killing a Gordon.

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But all right, cool.

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Did anybody notice that Horror did the picard? She got

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she got up, she got up out of the chair

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to go to Pike and she jerked her uh down

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the picardy. That had to be on purpose, it had

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to have been.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I I really don't envy Erica with having to eat

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those centipedes.

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That was so gross.

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It was absolutely disgusting, Uh, but unnecessary thing, like you know,

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one of those moments where this I don't know the

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the Gordon was able to eat them apparently with no problem,

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but it could have added to some of the tension

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if it was like, they're not really survivable.

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Sustenance, but they can eat it. Yeah. Kind of an

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interesting play there.

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There was a lot of good dialogue from Erica when

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she was talking to the Gorn. You know, it's almost

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like she was talking to herself at times, almost like

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talking herself through it, even though she was communicating with

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the Gorn. And this some of it was even before

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she created She did that communicator so that she could

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you know, translate the Gorn language to you know, a

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yes or no, agree or disagree. But one of the

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one of the lines I loved in this, and this

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is going back to her healing, was she looked at

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the Gorn when you know, he obviously had well she

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had that you know, hurt leg and Erica knew that

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she needed to help her and the Gorn you know,

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didn't at first, didn't want that. And she had that

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line you think you're too broken to be fixed. It

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was almost like she was talking about herself too at

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that moment, you know, And I love that line. I

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really did. It stood up for the whole episode.

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To me, Yeah, that is a great line, and it's

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interesting how they kind of gave them an extra thing

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to connect with by making them both pilots. Yeah, and

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you mentioned castaway like that makes me think of all

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the different kind of trinkets. Yes, and things like when

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she comes in, there's like painting on the walls and

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there's something that looks like a memento, some kind of

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a statue or whatever, something we haven't been shown from

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the Gorn but shows us a little bit more depth.

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And how long has she been there if she was

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able to create all that stuff? How long has that

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Gorn been there exactly? You know, exactly?

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And I swear that one seemed that Gorn smiled. Oh yeah,

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it was creepy. But then I like that as well.

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I just the different characterization. I like the idea that

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they're exploring the Gorn further as a civilization rather than

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just monsters like we've always known before.

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Yeah, I know, I know. We've talked about the cgi

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of this show and it is phenomenal. I got to

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point out one scene that I thought was incredible, and

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that's when the Enterprise was going into the wormhole for

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the first time. That shot was incredible. You can see

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the shields yea when it was for the wormhole, beautiful.

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Shot, which brought me back to and I We'll get

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to this in Easter Eggs, but it brought me right

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to the episode Relics from the next generation when.

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They had to do the same trick, they get the

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same yep. I love little tidbits like that. I like

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that we keep seeing those happened.

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I do too.

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I just thought this episode was just wonderfully written. They

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had some great just some incredible scenes. You know that

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that scene with the meeting where everybody's arguing. You know,

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we don't see enough of that in Star Trek. We

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you know, the not just the stuff on the planet,

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because everything on the planet was well written. That's the

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final scene with Yohura and and ortegis wonderfully written. That

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the bridge scenes are wonderfully written. This this I'm gonna

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have to reevaluate this entire season because this could possibly

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be my favorite episode. I don't know, I really really

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enjoyed everything about this.

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Yeah, we've got one more to go, but I'm with

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you on that. I feel like, and I think I

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mentioned this before, I feel like every week we're saying, man,

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this is the best episode.

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But this is the best thing.

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I mean, you know, you're right. I think I need

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to go back after we're done and reevaluate which one,

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because this episode was written extremely well.

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Yeah, it's it's high up there on the list.

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Yeah, absolutely, And to go back to that scene where

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she's flipping out. She knows somebody's watching them and she says, well,

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you know, would you show yourself and just going off

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on that, and then obviously they're like, we got to

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beam up. So they in the middle of the beaming,

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which was an incredible effect. By the way, Y frozen

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in between transporting God. That was incredible. And then they

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came out and they explained who they were and what

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they were doing.

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I love that scene, which surprised me. I did not

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expect them to go that direction and bring me the

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Metrons back into this. You know, we other than Q,

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we don't get too many of these these godlike beings

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in the live action Star Trek, so seeing them again

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was a real surprise. And I get the impression that

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the Metron had mentioned that they were he was might

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have to change the parameters and stuff. I'm wondering if

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that could somehow connect a little bit to the look

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of the Gorn and the way they acted in the

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original series Arena. I'm not sure, but you know it's interesting.

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Yeah, it's It's also I kind of question the I

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could be interested in a little bit more about that

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whole kind of MindWave concept with Ericain because to uh,

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I forget the next Generation episode, but where Data is

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the only one who remembers what happened yep, and he

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had to reset the day and he was clues Clulu,

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thank you, because he was like, you can't do that.

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You can't do that to the species and leave them

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with little mysteries because they'll keep picking and keep.

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And revel it.

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So I wonder if there is something where she can't

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name the species, she can't say anything about it, but

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she does know that it was all part of a

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big experiment, because without that, it feels like that would

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really torture Erica, like she wouldn't be able to let

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that go. So hopefully they gave some kind of way

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of tying that up for But it was a great

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use of the the metrons. You know, that's a callback

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to Arena, which I have to go back and watch

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now because I didn't even remember that happened, So I'll

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be interested to see how they kind of pay all

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that together. All right, Well, I think we were pretty pretty.

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Sure this answer which crewmember shined the most. Well, let's

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go ahead and ask it anyway, Wayne, and go ahead first.

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Oh, yeah, it's pretty honest. This is this is the

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Ortagus episode, and she shined as she should. We all

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been waiting for this episode, this time to happen. We

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have been waiting for this storyline to to uh come

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to frontation here it is. She's just fantastic, you know, everything,

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everything about her appearance, the way she she acted, the

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way she learned her the lesson with the Gorn and

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you know, saw them more than just the enemy. Everything

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everything about her shine. And I love the actress. I

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think she's done a wonderful job. And finally we got

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to see her her moment on the series.

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Yeah, Dave, what about you, it's it's clearly uh ortegus

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uh in this episode. I loved how at the beginning

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of the episode she was just so happy and so

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giddy to be back being able to do, you know,

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a solo mission on her own, and the fact that

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you know, she when she was talking about, you know,

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when after she crashed landed, she was going through her mind, Okay,

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Starfleet Academy one O one, and she was processing, you know, food, housing, water,

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this is what I gotta do and you know, and

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she built that. That was that condensating water condenser. Thank you.

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She built that water condenser. And that's when once she

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was celebrating that she had made some water. But this

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is an episode that we knew was coming. We knew

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there was an Eric episode. I didn't think they were

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gonna leave it for the last episode, so we've figured

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it was gonna be this one. But I love the

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fact that, you know, she really to the point healed herself.

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But it's not a neat bow. It's not. Because we

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see what happens at the end of this episode with

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her and Lawn. That's gonna cause some friction between the

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two of them, especially we know how much Lawn hates

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the Gorn and now Erica has got that. Okay, I

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know they're my enemy, but I can see we can

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communicate with them. We can you know, we can possibly

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change the outcome of our relationship with them. So I

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see the frictionary when I'm gonna go back, but you said,

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I hope they don't drop this because this really causes

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some friction on the bridge of the enterprise between these

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two characters and we and I like that not everybody

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can get along. Just going backing what you said about

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the arguing, you know, that's the way it is. It's

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nature because everybody's got ideas and they're going to you know, fight,

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even though they're family, they're still going to argue a

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little bit because they got to figure out what is

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the best solution for these apostles that they're always in,

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you know, and I love that so much. But Erica

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just seeing her buckle down on that planet and just

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become so strong. We know she's a strong pilot for

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crying out loud, but getting to see her out of

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a ship and being put into an environment that she's

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not used to and using that training she got in

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Star for the Academy and pulling it out with perfect

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perfect Yeah.

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I mean, we're we're making her so much more than

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her role, so much more than a pilot, which is

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exactly what it should be. Yeah, And it's definitely you know,

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we know that Erica is not going to continue to

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be the Helmmelsman on the Enterprise, whether that's going so

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place else or hopefully going someplace also won't finish that day,

469
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:09.279
but it's it's big shoes to fill for Szulu, and

470
00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:12.559
I think they've done a consistently great job with this

471
00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:16.319
series of doing so, you know, in engineering.

472
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.440
There's still that that absence felt.

473
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:22.799
And even though we've got you know, great things coming

474
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:25.920
with Pellia and Scottie, there's still that absence. And I

475
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:28.480
love the fact that they're they're building up so much.

476
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.720
I love the subtle things about Erica in this one,

477
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.759
like folding the paper airplanes for luck, which is kind

478
00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:39.279
of interesting because in the Star Trek universe I really

479
00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.960
see paper being used for anything, right, so that's going

480
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.960
to be like going into Pellia's room and grabbing a

481
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:46.400
stack out of the old copyer or.

482
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:50.599
Something, but it probably exactly.

483
00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:52.759
He just has a stack, Like we need a lot

484
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:58.039
of luck, So just keep it coming. I'll be interested

485
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:02.000
to see what the answer is to this question, Dave,

486
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:06.079
who would you want to be in this episode?

487
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:07.880
You know, normally I don't want to put myself in

488
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.720
a position where I've got a lot of pressure on me,

489
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.559
but I really would like to have been Pike in

490
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:17.440
this episode, just because of him coming to bat To

491
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:22.559
wanting to find one person and instead of going straight

492
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:25.519
to say that civilization there where four thousand people were

493
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:30.119
dependent on this medication that they have. I feel like,

494
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:31.839
would I do the same thing if I was in

495
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:35.640
that position. Yes, I probably would because they are a family,

496
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.960
and I would do everything I can within a limited

497
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.039
amount of time, which is what he gave. We can

498
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:43.519
only do this so much and we gotta get But

499
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:48.240
just Pike's demeanor in this episode I loved and I

500
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.720
would just love to be in his position there because

501
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.759
it shows how much he is the father figure of

502
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.519
this crew. But he also cares about each one of

503
00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:01.000
them individually. There's no favorites, even though thinking except a hotel,

504
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.240
but he's not on the crew, but you know, uh,

505
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:05.400
you know, but so yeah, it's Pike.

506
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:07.119
Wayne, what about you?

507
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:10.400
Yeah, David pretty much said almost everything I was going

508
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.279
to say. But I had chose Pike too, and for

509
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.279
a lot of the very similar reasons. I mean, he

510
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:17.880
has what you can have to consider one of the

511
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.079
best crews in Star Fleets, and they all work so

512
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:25.160
incredibly well together. He knows he can trust each and

513
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.200
every one of them, and he's not willing to give

514
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.559
up on any of them. I love that, even though

515
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:32.440
he's the first officers telling him, we've got to do this,

516
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:34.839
we got to do this, but he's not going to

517
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:39.440
give up on Artigas. And I loved Anson Mount's performance.

518
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:43.440
I loved the decisions that the writers made with him,

519
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.160
and uh, yeah, I have to choose him too. It

520
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:48.359
was either that or the metrons.

521
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.839
By the way, did anybody notice when Pike was flying

522
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:54.759
the ship? Did you notice that he was at the helm?

523
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:55.519
I did.

524
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.680
I love that within the Captain h char did you

525
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.640
see it.

526
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:01.839
Looked weird, but I love that.

527
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.519
I love UNA's jab too. She's like, oh, you've never

528
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:07.000
mentioned that you're just as good of a pilot.

529
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.079
And I love that she was in that position because

530
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.319
that was the position she usually set in in the

531
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.720
original pilot cage. She was right there that first thing

532
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.319
that reminded me. Yeah, I love that, and I'm glad

533
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:21.960
you brought that up. So my choice is a little weird.

534
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:31.279
Oh yeah, Now what's interesting is some I'm calling bs

535
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.519
on my own choice because at first I was like, oh, Erica,

536
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:34.960
because Eric did an amazing job.

537
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.720
But she also had to eat centipede. Yeah, I just don't.

538
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.160
But the Gordon had to do that too. The reason

539
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:42.960
I'm choosing the Gordon, I just want to know more

540
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.319
about what brought her there, maybe some of her backstory,

541
00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.200
to see kind of what was on her mind and

542
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:54.960
what she was really saying to Erica. It's interesting that

543
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.200
we never got that. I love the kind of you know, binary,

544
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.920
you know, agreed, disagree kind of responses that we got.

545
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.640
But I just know I'd like to know a little

546
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.480
bit more about that, where they were, what brought them there,

547
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:11.720
you know, bot of the that's a good call.

548
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:14.480
I agree with you to Scott, I would love to

549
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.559
know more, not just about her, but more about the Gorn.

550
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.880
But I'm I'm my feeling is this is probably the

551
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:21.720
last time we will see the Gorn in the series.

552
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.000
Interesting, even with what Beatella is going.

553
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.559
Through, well, I don't think she's going to turn in.

554
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:32.319
I'm now suspecting now that we've seen this episode and

555
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.720
the the metrons and stuff, I don't think she's going

556
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:38.119
to turn into a full full Gorn. My prediction is

557
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:43.119
she'll be she'll be probably saved. Okay, all right, But

558
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.000
but won't stay with Pike, but won't stay with Pike.

559
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.480
Something's going to happen there's she's going to decide that well,

560
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.559
she's going to take that promotion, and then they're going

561
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.440
to drift away. That's that's my prediction.

562
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.400
A way. Can I go way out on a limb here, yeah,

563
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:59.200
and say that she turned into the gormt Kirk flits.

564
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.920
Oh god, and that's her wearing the stones casta.

565
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.279
That was my original thought. That was until I saw

566
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.319
this episode. That was my original thought. But now I'm

567
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.559
thinking that that, uh, the metrons did something to change

568
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.960
them into looking into the rubbery going.

569
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:15.920
With the thing on.

570
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.839
I don't know, Dave went there. I'll go there and

571
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.680
say that. One kind of off ramp that my brain

572
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.960
took with this one is what if the Gordon that

573
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:33.160
she meets in this episode is Bettel because the wormhole

574
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.880
doesn't necessarily you know, in terms of like bending time

575
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.160
and space and whatever. You know, it's somebody that has

576
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:47.480
some kind of nostalgia whatever, Like, dude, entirely possible.

577
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.599
I never thought of that that would warp a man.

578
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.839
That would be crazy because that some tiny, tiny, whiny

579
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:53.519
crap there.

580
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.720
But yeah, it is doctor who what is this?

581
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.720
But that that could that could work, I mean that

582
00:29:58.759 --> 00:29:59.519
could actually fit.

583
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.920
Oh yeah, I'd rather think of it as like, you know,

584
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.160
there's a there's an offshoot of Goren that actually feels

585
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.160
this way that it's not just you know, it has

586
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.720
to have some kind of human element to it.

587
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.799
But wouldn't that given even more meaning to UNA's decisions

588
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.279
of saying, hey, we got to go, we got to go. Yeah,

589
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.880
that's wow, that's crazy to think about.

590
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:24.519
Scott crazy crazy speaking are crazy. There were a lot

591
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:26.599
of Easter eggs in this one, obviously.

592
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.000
Well, I mean we've mentioned a lot of them, and

593
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.200
obviously Arena is kind of a big one because the

594
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.200
metrons that before I looked that up, I didn't even

595
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:38.839
realize we hadn't met them before.

596
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.039
Yeah, I just I guess I just assumed there were

597
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.319
a lot.

598
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:46.240
But there's the only one I got was Uss Consolation

599
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.759
and Matt Decker I believe it was. Yeah, that's that's

600
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:51.640
the only one I got.

601
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.799
We might have gotten more, not not very many more.

602
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.519
You just mentioned in one of them. But you know,

603
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.920
I wanted also, I wanted to bring up the fact

604
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.839
that you know, this episode, it was really, really good.

605
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:05.559
But it does use a lot of Commons Star Trek ideas.

606
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.039
You know, the the whole thing of the about the

607
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.559
hero being forced to face an enemy on a planet.

608
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.640
We've seen that many many times before, you know, not

609
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:16.240
just arena, not just the enemy. But this episode really

610
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.279
reminded me a lot of the card and Dharmack on

611
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.400
the planets, the episode Darmok. And then of course you

612
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.000
know the idea of the a greater power watching over them.

613
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:27.799
You know, we're very familiar with that. That probably the

614
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.480
most famous one would be Q but you got you know,

615
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.240
ne Gelam in the Next Generation where silence is least.

616
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.960
You got Apollo in the original series, the Vendorians, and

617
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.759
they appeared in the Lower Decks episode Caves. It's something

618
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:41.519
we see over and over again. But it just like

619
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.200
I said before, it seems to work very good for

620
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.880
Star Trek. Now, the easter eggs other than the Decker

621
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.119
in Constellation, which, by the way, you know, don't forget

622
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.799
that Decker is also the father of Commander Willard Decker

623
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.759
from Star Trek Motion Picture. But I only found really

624
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:07.240
one other. There was a mention of the Epsilon Indie system.

625
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.400
That system which is located in the Beta Quadrant, and

626
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.000
its planet's been mentioned quite a few times on the

627
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.519
various Star Trek series. It was mentioned there was a

628
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.680
band of marauders that ravaged the system in the original

629
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.640
episode series episode and the Children Shall Lead. The Terran

630
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.720
Empire had a shipyard in the Discovery episode Terra Firm

631
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.960
Apart one and the Murderer that Diana Troy sall in

632
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.039
Our Visions in the episode I of the Beholder, he

633
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:40.079
was from Epsilon Indy two and even Wesley Crusher mentions

634
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.759
that when he was looking out the window of ten

635
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:47.759
Ford in the Next Generation episode The Child And then

636
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:49.920
I do want to talk a little bit for those

637
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.240
non trekkers like us, exactly who.

638
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.400
Are the Metrons.

639
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.079
I know we mentioned him quite a lot. We mentioned

640
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.920
the episode they came from, which was the original episode Arena.

641
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.240
That's the same episode that introduced the Gorn. But they

642
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.039
are a higher evolved race of beings that originally inhabited

643
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.759
the area of the Beta Quadrant, which is part of

644
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:15.519
the United Federation of Planets. They found violence distasteful and

645
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.359
had been observing and experimenting on other races just to

646
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.480
see if the lesser beings can move past violence and

647
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.559
live peacefully together. They haven't been mentioned too many times.

648
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.279
This and the episode Arena are the only times we've

649
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:32.960
ever seen them in live action on the series, but

650
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.799
they have been mentioned once again. There was an episode

651
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:41.599
called The Examples on Star Trek Discovery where they believe

652
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.319
that the Metrons had possibly created the dark matter anomaly,

653
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.839
but they ended up that was dismissed that they found out.

654
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.680
That that couldn't have been them.

655
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.400
But however, in the IDW comic Star Trek Year four,

656
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.000
The Enterprise Experiment, it was revealed that the Metrons and

657
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.519
the Organians were the earliest creations of the Preservers. That's

658
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:07.160
the alien race that created the design of most most

659
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:09.559
beings in the universe.

660
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:12.000
That's interesting.

661
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:12.840
That's going deep.

662
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.239
Okay, yeah, that's deep.

663
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.920
The only one that I caught, which was a small one.

664
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.800
And I don't know if this is Accurat or for

665
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.159
anybody else thought this, but the the chess piece that

666
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:28.280
Erica keeps seems to be in the shape of a

667
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.159
Gordon ship like.

668
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:33.840
It's kind of a It seemed to have like a

669
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:35.239
round hub and then.

670
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:41.119
Three spikes surrounding the outside. It seemed interesting that that's

671
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:45.159
the kind of piece that she would keep that might

672
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.639
come back later if we do see the Gordon crop

673
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.119
up again.

674
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.239
I could see that as being beautiful.

675
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.239
Kind of a gross way to keep the chess piece

676
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.719
because knowing that it's carved out of the bones of

677
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.679
the sent things.

678
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.079
That the Goin has eaten, but kind of interesting.

679
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:08.840
Yeah, and then I had just I'll wrap it up

680
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.119
by saying, I was kind of sad.

681
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.000
To see that this is the next to last episode

682
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.320
before the season finale. I'm not ready for that yet.

683
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.639
But which we did get a blurb from this time.

684
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:22.920
I know they said they weren't going to give us

685
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:25.360
any but they did give us a very vague blurb,

686
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:30.480
but it says, when an ancient and evil alien force resurfaces,

687
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.239
Pike must make a difficult decision to stop it from spreading.

688
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.039
So the ancient and evil alien force has got to

689
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.440
be that I can't remember what they were called, but

690
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:45.920
those beings that would eventually evolve into the queue, or

691
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.360
at least few episodes ago. Yeah, it has to be them.

692
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:49.599
And we knew they were going to be coming back.

693
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.760
We knew that story we had to be tow to appear.

694
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.199
And I had a feel like it was going to

695
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.239
be the finale, So that's my guess, that's what they're

696
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:55.800
talking about.

697
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.440
So the ones that possessed gambling through the legs of time.

698
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.760
Yeah, yeah, I think that's them. But difficult decision. That's interesting.

699
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.800
I wonder what Pike's decision.

700
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.480
Will be that you're talking about.

701
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.480
We shall see.

702
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.960
All right, Well, I'm looking forward to it. I'm not

703
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:15.119
looking forward to being over.

704
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.159
But it's like you said, Bland, it's consistently like they

705
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.079
hit it out of the park every single time. So

706
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.480
we're bound for a great one, possibly a frustrating one

707
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.679
because we have to wait until the next season to

708
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:26.440
see the resolution.

709
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.559
But yeah, but only be a year wait this time,

710
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:29.280
not two years.

711
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.119
Oh well, that's all. That's good.

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I've had a blast talking with both of you, So

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