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Sept. 30, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E10 | Tomorrow's Enterprise

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Season 7 Phasers Set To Stun

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!


Our fearless crew is spending one more shift on Captain Pike's bridge to explore the season 4 finale of Strange New Worlds. Wayne, David, and Scott weigh in on the episode's strength as a finale, reminisce about Nichelle Nichols' Uhura, and ponder what's in store for season 5! Join us for a discussion about episode 10, Tomorrow's Enterprise!

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Space, the final frontier. Join us for a bold conversation.

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Our prime directive, to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old. To engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize.

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Welcome back to a new episode of Phaser Set to Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast,

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which focuses on every system of the expanding Star Trek

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universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise, and much,

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much more. plotting your course on this voyage of the

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USS Enterprise as your core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited.

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I'm David Burns.

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And I'm Scott Hoffman.

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And today we're talking about the season finale of the

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fourth season of Star Trek Strange New Worlds, titled Tomorrow's Enterprise,

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which was written by Henry Alonzo Myers and Robbie Thompson

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and directed by Chris Fisher. So from this point forward,

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it's red alert. There are spoilers ahead, and by now

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you should have went over to Paramount Plus and watched

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the episode. So sit back, relax, and have a listen

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to what we have to say about the episode itself. David,

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why don't you start with our short summary of the episode?

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The Enterprise encounters a white hole, an extraordinary, rare cosmic phenomenon.

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As the crew studies it, a sudden anomaly lashes out

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and strikes the ship, triggering a strange auditory signal that

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only a whore can perceive. When she decodes it, she

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discovers something impossible. The signal is coming from herself one

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year in the future. In that future, a second Enterprise

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is trapped on the edge of a black hole, the

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opposite end of the same cosmic event. The two Ahuras

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establish communication across time, each experiencing fragments of the other's reality.

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President De Ahuras hears Scotty's death cry even though he

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is alive. Future Ahura remembers Scotty living despite her crew,

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insisting he died a year earlier. The contradiction reveals a

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fractured timeline. A temporal shock then switches the two of

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her placing the younger version aboard Kirk's future Enterprise and

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the older version aboard Pike's present one. This gives each

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woman first insight into what went wrong.

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Yeah, it was quite a season finale. At least I

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thought it was. I really enjoyed it. I got to admit,

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for a season finale, I thought it was great. It

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stood up to many of the other three that they've

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done over the years. But I think I think what

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I like most about this is how straightforward, character-driven Star

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Trek this really was. It works well. The show works

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well when you're doing episodes like this. I think the

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whole idea of Yohura communicating with your future self through

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that white hole, I thought that was a unique twist

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to the whole usual time travel stories that Star Trek's done.

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We've had quite a few of them in the past.

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I want to mention Celia Rose Gooding. She did a

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fantastic job this episode playing two versions. That's got to

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be difficult to be playing two different versions of yourself,

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your character in the same episode. I thought it was

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a very clever episode, very unique twist, and very enjoyable

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season ending. What did you guys think?

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I mean, not only was she playing herself twice, which is,

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you're right, is a very difficult thing. but they were

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noticeable differences in her performance when she was playing her

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a year older self.

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And then her one year younger self, you really could

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see the difference.

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And I'm not talking just the hairstyle, which finally looks

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like a whore is hairstyle, but you could just see

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the difference in her, the way she, her mannerisms, the

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way she was presenting herself, the way she was speaking

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to people. You could definitely see a year was sitting

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on her shoulders compared to her older self.

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So her performance in that stuff was incredible. Um, I

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loved the episode.

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I thought it was really well done as a season finale. No,

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I don't, I don't think this works as a season finale.

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In my opinion, this felt like a, an episode that

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you would find in the middle of the season or,

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you know.

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Three quarters of the way through a season.

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Um, now I did like, we get to see, obviously

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she gets to see, cause she's the only one that remembers, uh,

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by the end of this episode, uh, she knows Kirk's

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going to take over the enterprise, uh, She knows McCoy's

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coming because obviously you heard that conversation going on that

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they're talking about McCoy.

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And then something's happened to Leon. We don't know.

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When she presented asking that question where you're like, Kirk

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wouldn't answer because of, I guess he obviously didn't want

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to tell her what had happened. So obviously we knew

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something bad was coming with.

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One of these characters.

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We've been fearing that. Now we've kind of got a

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little bit of confirmation on it, yeah. We did.

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But overall, I really liked the episode.

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You're right.

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Celia stole the show. Clearly it's going to be all

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of our favorites on this one because she.

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Actually stole the show, no matter which way you look

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at it. But I loved it. Scott, what about you?

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Yeah, I mean, I really enjoyed it. I agree with

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what you're feeling there about it not quite feeling like

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a season finale.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, although I wonder if that's kind of perfect for

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this season, kind of feeling like an in-between season, like

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it doesn't set up a big cliffhanger. It doesn't set

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up a big dramatic arc or anything else like that.

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It's just helping to kind of move some things forward.

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But there was part of me that kind of felt like,

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I don't know, it doesn't feel like the next to

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last season finale. That being said, I completely agree with

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what both of you are saying this, um, uh, Celia

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Rose Gooding did an amazing job as usual. as Uhura.

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I think I want to believe that the speech that

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she's having to herself at the end is in some

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way hopefully influenced by Nichelle having some feedback to Celia

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before she had passed away. I like to think that

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there's a little bit of any kind of passing the

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torch advice that Nichelle would have given to Celia it

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just felt like it could have been a speech that

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she would have written to her. I also feel like

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maybe it's a little bit of her kind of giving

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confidence to herself to say, like, you have brought this

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character to where it needs to be. You've done it justice.

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And I appreciated that. I think the temporal mechanics of

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this one are fascinating. Because I'm trying to pick apart

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which things we could possibly rely on as truth for

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what it's predicting for the future right because part of

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me is kind of thinking well before they went on

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the shuttle Scotty and Captain Artagus and Uhura that everything

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up to then could still be seen as true timeline

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before anything got disrupted or whatever so for example like

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McCoy being part of the bridge crew next year but

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they don't say anything about La'an before that um And

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I know that there was something mentioned about how some

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of the things were a little messed up with the time,

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like Uhura then calling Pike Admiral Pike.

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Yeah, that confused me.

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As if he hadn't had it. So I kind of

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feel like after the shuttle accident, things had skewed slightly.

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So it's wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff I'm not going to get into.

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But it is interesting how many kind of pseudo-teasers they had.

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I missed being on the last... episode. But just one

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thing that I was thinking of after watching this episode

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and hearing you two talk about it, Laan's dog I

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think is going to have some kind of emotional tether

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to her. She's come to terms with Laan, she's softened

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a bit, and now she has something that's going to

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miss her regardless if she's gone, if she leaves her behind.

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And I think by exploring this episode, leaning so much

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into time travel and temporal whatchamacallits, it's entirely possible that

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La'an might be, I don't know if it's necessarily lost

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in time, or just heavily involved with that aspect of Starfleet,

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where she basically has to go away, and possibly leaving

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that dog behind. It just seems like there are so

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many little seeds that they're dropping in this, that I

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would be very surprised if there's not something about time

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travel that doesn't come up next season.

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Oh, yeah.

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Most likely Star Trek. Time travel always comes up with

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Star Trek.

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Time travel in a cave.

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It's kind of funny how amusing it was that, like,

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Kirk was able to give her feedback on time travel.

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Pike was able to give her feedback on time travel.

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And Leon was available to give her feedback on time travel.

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Right.

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You know, one of the things that I was laughing

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to myself as I was watching this episode, until she

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finally got to this point in the story.

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As big as, like, just tell the damn truth of

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what's going on. Mm-hmm.

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You would get to the bottom and solve things so

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much faster. They're going to believe you. They will believe you,

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I promise.

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Why are you hiding the fact that.

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You went through the time or whatever it is?

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Just talk about it. Be open and honest.

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You will figure it out.

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Instead of this Three's Company approach. It's almost like they

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need Mr. Roper to be part of the temporal investigations. Yeah.

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Because when she did finally tell the truth, well, it

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was uncovered, it all worked out.

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Kirk worked with her.

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Pipe worked with her.

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It's like, just come on, talk to your family, figure

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this out, quit hiding it.

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It would have made things a lot simpler, wouldn't it?

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Yes. Yeah.

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But, you know, the cinematography in this was incredible for one,

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the editing. It was. When the future of horror and

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the past of horror were like, you saw them on

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split screen and stuff.

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Oh, that was great.

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And they like.

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Dissolved into one another as one person. That was incredible

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editing and cinematography. So hats off to them for that stuff.

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Yeah.

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I got the impression that, you know, once everything after

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the accident is just a possible future that we, you know,

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we may have been thrown. Given a little bit of

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a side thing, none of this is what we think

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may really be happening because history has been changed or

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the future has been changed, so who knows what's really

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going to happen. I was very confused about some of

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the time travel. I suppose I will admit that. First

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of all, I love the little look of the Enterprise

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and seeing Kirk as the Enterprise, especially now since it's

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pretty obvious we're not going to be getting Star Trek

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Year One. Um, so it's kind of a, kind of

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a glimpse of, of what could have been kind of

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sad actually, because it looks like it might've been a really,

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really good series. Cause it was neat seeing, you know,

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Kirk in that chair and the familiar uniforms and, and

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everything that, you know, the hairstyles and it, it just,

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it was more than just like fan service. It really, it,

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it worked for me and I, I'd love to have

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sold a series with all them, but unfortunately we're not

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going to get it. And we, we, come to to

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understand we're not going to get that but here we

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are at least we got to see a little bit of.

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It's heartbreaking because that show could go so far without

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touching og episodes you know it really could yeah and

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i mean you could even you could even do some

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fan service with it with you know not redoing the

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original episodes but at least touching on some of the

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stories of characters mentioning things that were happening that we

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know from the original thing so I mean, it's almost

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like printing money.

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I don't know why. I mean, I do know why.

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I get it.

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It's under new ownership. They want to go a different route, blah, blah, blah.

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But I mean, this is what a lot of.

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The fans want.

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This thing that they keep driving, that we need to

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change it, that we need to go.

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A different way. I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

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You can still go a different way, yet give the

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fans what they want. It would work. You can still

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do your thing and still give us this series. You know,

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just like Star Trek Legacy is another one that we're

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not going to get. But, you know, we could have that.

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It could be done. But I don't know. None of

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us know exactly what the heads of Paramount are really thinking,

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what's going on right now for the future of Star Trek.

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So who knows? It's sad. But, you know, maybe they'll

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give us something even better that we hadn't even thought of.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I feel like it's interesting, like Dave, when

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you mentioned that you know, they could continue without even

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touching the OG. It's like a Lego narrative.

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Right?

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Like, there's plenty of spaces in between to fill in.

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Easy.

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There is.

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And then when you get that, you've got something even bigger.

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Because you're talking about the missions in between the ones

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we've already seen.

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Exactly!

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And, or, you could give us some classic stories from

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somebody else's perspective. Like, it's limitless what they could do.

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They clearly have a lot of dedicated talent that has

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a lot of passion for this and a lot of

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people that are connected to it waiting in the wings

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like Jack Quaid, like Tawny Newsome that could do amazing

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things for this. And I think we're just going to

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be in a firefly situation where it's like, you know,

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this was amazing. We know it's amazing. Why doesn't it continue?

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I don't know. Somebody didn't want to do it. And

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then everybody clamors for it to come back. I hope

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that's a situation we get and I think I hope

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that the talent that's around would be willing to come

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back if they did it. I highly doubt it. I

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feel like we have to visit the alternate reality video

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store to get what we want.

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Yeah.

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But here we are.

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And it's terrible because I know the actors would continue on. Oh,

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you know they would.

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Yeah. I know Wesley would love to play Kirk, continue

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to play Kirk, as the actual Kirk that we.

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Know, you know, in that chair and running the ship.

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And, you know, everybody else who goes with the OG,

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with the addition of McCoy and the addition of Sulu eventually,

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and Chekhov eventually, you know, those would be new casting.

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But, I mean, that would be easy to incorporate into

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this series.

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But the people who are already established, you know, you

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know they would jump at new contracts to make sure

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that they're going to continue their story.

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Without question.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's really sad.

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I do love the fact that they were able to

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bridge in Boyce being on the ship.

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Yeah.

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That was cool.

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I feel so bad for him.

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I do, too.

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Standing there on the bridge, and it's like, hi, everybody.

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And it's like, Oh, sorry, buddy. Oh, does he know?

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I mean, he's a little bit of a jerk, but....

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I mean, he wasn't as much as a jerk in

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this episode.

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No, he didn't have a chance to be.

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Well, right, he didn't, but... But it was neat to

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see him in that role, I guess, for a little bit,

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since we know he was there. So, I don't know.

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I did like that stuff.

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Yeah.

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I wish we got more of it, which I know

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we're going to get a little bit more of that when.

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We get to the end of the next season. But

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it won't be enough. You know, we're going to be

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left with this. Oh, man, I want more.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. I think another thing that stood out to me

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is how much they're like knowing Celia's background with musical

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theater and stage performance and music in general, that they're

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making that such a part of Ohara's character.

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Oh, yeah.

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I think that's absolutely brilliant.

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You know, and you have to say somewhere Nichelle is

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looking down and just smiling at what she has done

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with this character.

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I agree.

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Yes.

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You know, getting to see her in that new haircut

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that we remember from the original.

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Show just felt so right.

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It did.

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It felt like we're seeing old friends again, finally. Even

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though we've seen them, I know, over the last few years.

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But getting to see them in those positions with the

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correct hair designs and... And that establishment that we've grown

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up with, the reruns, of course, because we're not that old,

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but you know what I mean.

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It felt comfortable.

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And I tell you, when I saw her with that haircut,

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I had the biggest damn grin on my face because

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it felt like the OG again.

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We knew it was coming. We just didn't expect it

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this soon. It just felt so good.

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Yeah, the hair and the costumes. Yeah, it felt right.

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It felt like that's what she should be wearing. You know,

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she she's done so her and the writers. I got

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to get the writers credit, obviously done so well to

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to not only honor the character of your her and

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Michelle Nichols, but to expand so much. You know, honestly,

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your her was no more than a secondary character in

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the first in the original series. She really was. She's

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one of those characters that never really got the time

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that she deserved.

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And now.

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We're getting it here. I wish we could get a

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lot more, but what we've got has been fantastic. And

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the writers have done a fantastic job of writing. Celia

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has done a phenomenal job honoring that part. And I'm

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so glad that this series was made and that she

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played the part and that we got to experience that.

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You know, I think the writers have even recognized that,

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that Ahura didn't get the screen time that she deserved

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from the original. So they are purposely making sure that

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she is getting the front and center stories that she's

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always deserved.

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Well, I'm glad they did. I mean, I love the character.

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Even the little bits that we got. I mean, one

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of my favorite scenes of Yohura is... Remember the scene

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in Star Trek III where she holds the transporter guy

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by phaser? I love that.

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Love that. And that.

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The Yohura that we have here feels more like that Yohura.

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It does.

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It fits.

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It does.

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And.

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You know, I love that. I'm glad we're getting more

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of that with this series.

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And Wayne.

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Go ahead, Scott.

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No, you go.

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No, I was going to say, and I've recognized that

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people are kind of throwing a fit about this relationship

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between Uhura and Scotty.

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But hello, was it Star Trek 5? It fits.

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Because it shows her giving that, you know, you could

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tell in that one scene that they are kind of

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flirting with one another, that they had some kind of

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history with one another.

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So back off, people who are saying that.

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It fits. Yeah, we noticed it back in 89 when

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that first came out. We noticed that and we liked it.

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So nothing wrong there.

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And when they were in the turbo lift, they were

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kind of making it so that they were kind of like,

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you know, keeping it kind of on the down low, right?

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So it fits.

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They could have had a relationship that nobody was necessarily

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privy to, but everybody was like, well, we're not going

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to say anything because they're trying to keep it casual

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and respect it. I think it totally fits. I love

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that aspect of it.

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Oh, man.

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Oh, there was something I was going to say. Sorry,

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we're off track. No, no, no, not at all. Ah,

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forget it. I'm sure it was a good point. It's

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totally fine. But no, I think everybody did an amazing

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job here, and I'm just very happy with it.

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Another thing that I liked that they established a few

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episodes ago when Ahura thought she was Pike's daughter, remember?

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In that episode.

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I feel like they have continued that a little bit. Remember,

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he kind of decided at the end of that he

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was going to take her under his wing and just

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not call him her daughter. Because in this episode, you

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could really feel that relationship is just growing and building

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between Pike and Uhura. You know, when they had that

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conversation that when he was at the end of the

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hallway and watching the future Uhura, you know, talking to

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Scotty and basically hanging on to him, showing that relationship,

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even though they really didn't have one, Pike recognized that.

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And that's when he finally, he approached her about it.

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But I love that dialogue between the two of them

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and that, how that is working out. He still sees

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himself as that fatherly figure, even though he's not.

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You know, but it's a great expansion to that character.

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I mean, you know, with her and Kirk, it's always

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been more of a Captain Lieutenant's colleague thing. But with

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her and Pike and, you know, we never even thought

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it up to this series. We never really considered or

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even knew that she had a history with Pike. But

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now he's more of a mentor and a father figure.

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And I really like that you get the idea that

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she she learns a lot. of, of how she is

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and how she, she deals with herself from Pike. And

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I love that idea. Yeah.

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When, when she said that, you know, everything she learned

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was from him is because of him. And when they

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were basically leaving, you know, when he's saying it was an,

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it was an honor, my friend do that, all that

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dialogue or that, that relationship between the two of them

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was just fantastic.

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It's probably part of my favorite of that episode.

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Mine too. It's, it enriches the character so much more.

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It gives so much nice background for, forth that, that

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I just, I love that part that they've added.

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I mean, I think, and it finally occurred to me

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what I was going to say, and it fits really

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well with what you were just saying. Um, Pike's, I

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think there's a lot of what Pike is able to

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teach her in terms of, um, strategic diplomacy, knowing when

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to use diplomacy.

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Right.

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And Wayne, I love the, the scene that you mentioned

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because I, anytime that comes in my feed, I watch

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it all the way through. but just thinking about the

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fact that she says oh don't worry I'm going to

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have Mr. Excitement eating out of the palm of my

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hand even though she forces him into a closet at

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gunpoint because we're seeing this Ahura able to navigate interpersonal

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relationships in this way not just communications she knows how

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to read people talk to people connect with people in

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a certain way sometimes strategically to get what she needs

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or to get certain things done or accomplish part of

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a mission and in other cases, a lot of cases,

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helping to move relationships forward for the betterment of the

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crew and weave the crew all together. So when we

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see aspects of that of her start to also grow here,

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I just love it. Especially the fact that she's getting

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better at poker.

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That was kind of a nice touch.

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We need to see those games in the next season.

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It does worry me, though, her relationship with Pike being

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so deep That we know where his history is going.

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We know what's going to happen next season. And it's

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going to be gut-wrenching, I think, for her. Probably for us.

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I'm really looking... Well, actually, I should say, I'm not

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really sure if I'm looking forward to that episode. Because

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that's going to be one heck of an emotional episode,

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in my opinion.

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It is.

481
00:23:08.259 --> 00:23:08.579
Gosh.

482
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:10.460
Wow.

483
00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.059
And I also wonder if, like something I've been wrestling

484
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:19.720
with since seeing this, I wonder when we might see

485
00:23:19.900 --> 00:23:23.359
Pike depart. And I wonder if they would say he

486
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.349
needs to stay all the way through the season, the

487
00:23:26.410 --> 00:23:30.750
series finale, or if maybe Pike departs before that.

488
00:23:31.470 --> 00:23:33.529
It would be the last episode.

489
00:23:33.630 --> 00:23:36.410
Yeah, that's what I was assuming, the last episode.

490
00:23:36.470 --> 00:23:38.529
That's when we're going to see McCoy is the last episode,

491
00:23:38.549 --> 00:23:39.089
I guarantee it.

492
00:23:39.089 --> 00:23:44.559
I don't know, it's interesting because before the White Hole,

493
00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:47.680
Black Hole event kind of tied things together, they mentioned...

494
00:23:48.259 --> 00:23:52.660
Bones occasionally being there. Mbenga occasionally being there. So it

495
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:56.099
almost felt like if that was like the true line

496
00:23:56.140 --> 00:23:59.829
that didn't diverge, then we'll see bones possibly have. I

497
00:23:59.829 --> 00:24:02.410
don't know. It's weird. Timey wimey. It is.

498
00:24:02.650 --> 00:24:04.410
I think it is.

499
00:24:06.230 --> 00:24:08.349
All right. And so we don't get caught in our

500
00:24:08.430 --> 00:24:10.630
own temporal anomaly. We're going to take a short break

501
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:17.769
and then we'll be back to continue our discussion. And

502
00:24:17.829 --> 00:24:20.200
we're back on the bridge and ready to continue talking

503
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.779
about this week's episode. Now that we've given our thoughts

504
00:24:22.819 --> 00:24:25.940
and opinions, let's take a look at the characters themselves.

505
00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:29.579
Which character do you think shines the most this week, David?

506
00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:32.119
Well, I think we're probably all going to pick the

507
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:36.589
same person here, but what, what makes, so I'm going

508
00:24:36.609 --> 00:24:39.369
to talk about that final moment. So that is, it's

509
00:24:39.470 --> 00:24:43.089
so beautiful and how intimate it is. Star Trek has

510
00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:46.369
done those time twisty doubles before, you know, kind of

511
00:24:46.390 --> 00:24:49.660
what you're talking about, Scott, But this isn't a paradox

512
00:24:49.779 --> 00:24:53.220
or a gimmick. It's a conversation between who she is,

513
00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:57.619
and that's Ahura, and who she's fighting to become. Present

514
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:01.920
day Ahura is still carrying that doubt, that trauma, and

515
00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:02.890
the weight of being the one.

516
00:25:02.809 --> 00:25:04.269
Who listens to the universe.

517
00:25:05.029 --> 00:25:08.029
Future Ahura has already walked through that fire and come

518
00:25:08.089 --> 00:25:13.470
out steadier, stronger, and more self-assured. So when she tells herself,

519
00:25:13.930 --> 00:25:17.940
you're doing great, don't stop growing, It's almost like it's

520
00:25:18.029 --> 00:25:23.549
a mentor's blessing, you know, that friend reassurance and that

521
00:25:23.630 --> 00:25:26.609
personal victory. You know, it's the kind of scene that

522
00:25:26.630 --> 00:25:28.890
feels like it's speaking directly to the audience too, right?

523
00:25:29.529 --> 00:25:33.569
A reminder that growth isn't loud or flashy. You know,

524
00:25:33.609 --> 00:25:37.210
you need someone who understands you completely to say keep going.

525
00:25:37.269 --> 00:25:38.490
Who doesn't need that, right?

526
00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:42.089
And honestly, it's one of the most heartfelt horror moments

527
00:25:42.349 --> 00:25:43.769
the franchise has ever given us.

528
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:45.599
You know, it honors her legacy.

529
00:25:46.190 --> 00:25:48.910
While showing how much she still has ahead of her.

530
00:25:49.589 --> 00:25:52.650
I think that was the most beautiful moment, and I

531
00:25:52.730 --> 00:25:56.099
mentioned earlier that Nichelle has to be looking down and smiling,

532
00:25:56.190 --> 00:26:01.880
because in that ending scene, that was a horror, and

533
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:05.980
she was without any question the character that shined the

534
00:26:06.019 --> 00:26:07.200
most in this episode. Yeah.

535
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:08.660
Scott, what about you?

536
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.500
That's nice and everything, but Dr. Boyce.

537
00:26:12.099 --> 00:26:12.420
What?

538
00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:17.970
No. No, beautifully said, Dave. I cannot hope that that

539
00:26:17.990 --> 00:26:22.930
was perfect and I cannot hope to top it. I

540
00:26:23.029 --> 00:26:28.299
totally agree with everything you said. Beautifully said. I feel

541
00:26:28.339 --> 00:26:31.059
like the only thing that I would add to it is,

542
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:33.779
and I love the fact that you're talking about that

543
00:26:33.859 --> 00:26:35.680
final speech and just kind of going back to what

544
00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:38.160
I said before, it felt like the spirit of Nichelle

545
00:26:38.859 --> 00:26:41.759
saying like, you have the blessing to keep moving forward.

546
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.450
It also kind of reminds me of uh, when Christopher

547
00:26:45.509 --> 00:26:49.079
Eccleston was wrapping up Dr. Who and he has that

548
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:52.259
moment with Rose where he says, you were fantastic. And

549
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.519
you know what? So was I. Um, I wonder if

550
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:58.599
there's a little bit of a, you know, um, the,

551
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:02.740
the writers and the entire kind of production saying, we

552
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.839
know this is coming to a close. We have done

553
00:27:05.859 --> 00:27:10.509
an amazing thing here. It could be beautiful. It still

554
00:27:10.549 --> 00:27:15.279
has a potential to be so. Um, But what we're

555
00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:20.170
doing here has really had a tremendous impact on the franchise.

556
00:27:20.369 --> 00:27:22.829
I truly believe it has. It has. And I think

557
00:27:22.869 --> 00:27:25.769
it's a shame that it won't move forward, but I'm

558
00:27:25.809 --> 00:27:30.589
not going to give up on hope that it never will. So, yeah,

559
00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:34.559
I totally agree. It steals the show. Wayne, what about you?

560
00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:39.140
Oh, it's unanimous. You know, Yohura is easily the character

561
00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:41.440
that shines the most here. I mean, I'm basically going

562
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:44.240
to repeat the things both of you guys said, because...

563
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:50.279
You're absolutely 100% right. Celia Rose Gooden, she got a

564
00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:55.240
really good opportunity here playing Yohura at the two completely

565
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.180
different points in her life. You can see the difference

566
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:02.059
between the two, how much that character's grown. I especially

567
00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:06.059
like watching the younger Yohura interact with her future self.

568
00:28:06.259 --> 00:28:10.380
A lot of nice contrast between the uncertain officer that

569
00:28:11.019 --> 00:28:13.180
we've followed over the last four years and then that

570
00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:15.589
confidence Starfleet officer that we get to know from the

571
00:28:15.630 --> 00:28:19.670
original series. It made the whole thing feel less like

572
00:28:19.710 --> 00:28:25.269
a gimmicky time travel episode and really more of a glimpse,

573
00:28:25.650 --> 00:28:28.369
a character profile, a glimpse into that person and the

574
00:28:28.390 --> 00:28:31.809
potential that she's got to be a lot more emotional

575
00:28:31.890 --> 00:28:35.099
depth than I was expecting to be given for this character.

576
00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:41.019
And it just made the whole episode so wonderful to watch. So, yeah,

577
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.930
I mean, it was easy to choose our The one

578
00:28:43.950 --> 00:28:46.849
who shined the most here. All right. Well, if you

579
00:28:46.869 --> 00:28:49.230
had any choice to be any character that appeared in

580
00:28:49.269 --> 00:28:51.750
this episode, which one would it be and why? Scott,

581
00:28:51.849 --> 00:28:52.589
you begin this one.

582
00:28:53.170 --> 00:29:00.779
Yeah. Again, Dr. Boyce. You know, I several reasons I'd

583
00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:05.920
want to be Captain Ortegas, which I loved seeing Captain

584
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:14.160
Ortegas for like no notes. totally perfect lines and delivery.

585
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.460
I love seeing where she is. I love seeing how

586
00:29:18.549 --> 00:29:20.529
she is, like the new hairstyle.

587
00:29:20.660 --> 00:29:22.890
I'm totally on board with it.

588
00:29:23.430 --> 00:29:27.089
Even though I love the current look, I'm totally into that.

589
00:29:27.250 --> 00:29:32.369
And then the jacket that she was wearing was totally

590
00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:36.390
giving me Wrath of Khan style vibes. And the fact

591
00:29:36.450 --> 00:29:39.490
that she's a teacher, the fact that she had the

592
00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:43.579
chance to be like you know this amazing I forget

593
00:29:43.619 --> 00:29:45.380
what they had said like she had the chance to

594
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:48.220
do something else but she chose to teach and she's

595
00:29:48.259 --> 00:29:51.819
a captain and she's best pilot in Starfleet and that

596
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.940
she's still around yeah I'm so afraid of that wall

597
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.029
in Starfleet Academy being a you know accurate prediction of

598
00:29:59.049 --> 00:30:02.339
the future So I really hope if there's any, if

599
00:30:02.380 --> 00:30:06.259
that was a variance and it's not true timeline, that's

600
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.380
a piece they could keep. Yes. Please let Ortega's live

601
00:30:10.069 --> 00:30:12.420
and be as cool as she always has been.

602
00:30:12.769 --> 00:30:13.049
Amen.

603
00:30:13.470 --> 00:30:14.029
Dave, what about you?

604
00:30:15.529 --> 00:30:18.670
I'm going to go with Spock on this one because, well,

605
00:30:18.690 --> 00:30:21.009
he's pretty much oblivious to what is going on.

606
00:30:21.029 --> 00:30:21.109
Yeah.

607
00:30:21.849 --> 00:30:23.829
And that is exactly where I would want to be,

608
00:30:24.230 --> 00:30:26.869
except for hearing the words space baby.

609
00:30:26.890 --> 00:30:27.829
Yeah.

610
00:30:30.369 --> 00:30:32.109
I don't know how I'd react to it. Probably like

611
00:30:32.130 --> 00:30:36.259
Spock reacted to it. But, you know, but yeah, it

612
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:37.640
would be Spock. Wayne, what about you?

613
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.519
Well, I think I'll go with Captain Kirk. I mean,

614
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:44.259
you know, how could I pass up being Kirk on

615
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.529
the Enterprise? Right here at the edge of becoming what

616
00:30:48.589 --> 00:30:50.950
we know of in the original series here. You know,

617
00:30:50.970 --> 00:30:54.970
you got all that excitement. It looked like a great

618
00:30:55.009 --> 00:30:59.049
adventure that he was on. The strange time travel mystery. And,

619
00:30:59.190 --> 00:31:01.099
of course, the crew that he gets to work with.

620
00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:05.920
It's just absolutely fantastic. I want to sit right there

621
00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:08.799
in that captain's chair and be Kirk because it's just

622
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:09.619
too much fun.

623
00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:12.789
To pass up. I love that we each picked a

624
00:31:12.809 --> 00:31:13.829
different person for that.

625
00:31:13.990 --> 00:31:14.710
That's true.

626
00:31:14.910 --> 00:31:17.230
I'm surprised that nobody picked the hot guy in the

627
00:31:17.269 --> 00:31:18.750
background in that one scene.

628
00:31:19.009 --> 00:31:19.490
Oh, yeah.

629
00:31:20.450 --> 00:31:21.930
But I'm sure it's going to come up in Easter eggs.

630
00:31:22.210 --> 00:31:22.619
Of course it is.

631
00:31:22.630 --> 00:31:22.859
Oh, yeah.

632
00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:25.869
There's quite a few of them in this scene. in

633
00:31:25.910 --> 00:31:27.690
this episode. So why don't we just go ahead and

634
00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:30.289
dive deep and then see what we got. Uh, what

635
00:31:30.329 --> 00:31:31.150
do you guys have first?

636
00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:33.759
I just picked up on the Lieutenant with MRS and

637
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:35.720
Ali calm from the animated series.

638
00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:38.619
Uh, I thought that was really well done. Uh, I,

639
00:31:39.019 --> 00:31:41.779
I was even shocked to see it. I'm like, Whoa,

640
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.039
are they really doing this? And they did.

641
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.680
I thought that was so cool. Oh, I am so

642
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:48.769
happy that we could, we finally, after all these years

643
00:31:48.809 --> 00:31:49.970
got to see her live action.

644
00:31:50.349 --> 00:31:50.549
Yeah.

645
00:31:51.109 --> 00:31:53.970
Great, great little, little, that was a fantastic Easter egg.

646
00:31:54.230 --> 00:31:55.150
Yeah, absolutely.

647
00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:57.390
And then of course, you know, getting to hear about Dr. McCoy,

648
00:31:57.809 --> 00:32:00.119
even though we don't see Dr. McCoy, you, you hear

649
00:32:00.130 --> 00:32:02.619
it in the dialogue. I thought that was cool. The

650
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.099
whole setup they're doing, obviously this is a year later,

651
00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:07.180
so they have to kind of set a lot of

652
00:32:07.220 --> 00:32:09.720
this stuff up. So we're getting to see some of

653
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.259
that stuff that's bridging the gap that we know is

654
00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:13.099
coming next season.

655
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:13.759
Dr.

656
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.940
Boyce, we talked about him getting to see him in

657
00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:19.049
that role, what little bit he has, but it's still nice.

658
00:32:19.769 --> 00:32:22.490
To get to see that. I believe, didn't they mention

659
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:24.359
that Bingo was spending more time on Vulcan?

660
00:32:24.859 --> 00:32:25.059
Yes.

661
00:32:25.339 --> 00:32:26.119
I believe it was.

662
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.619
It may transfer there permanently, I think, if I remember

663
00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:33.200
hearing that correctly. And then, of course, the weekly poker game,

664
00:32:33.220 --> 00:32:36.099
which we kind of touched base on that. You know,

665
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:38.680
Star Trek has a history that obviously the next generation

666
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:39.619
did that a lot.

667
00:32:39.819 --> 00:32:41.940
Oh, yeah. With the poker game. So I thought that

668
00:32:41.980 --> 00:32:43.319
was pretty neat. But that's all the ones I found.

669
00:32:43.339 --> 00:32:44.099
I'm sure there's a lot more.

670
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:45.519
Did you see any, Scott?

671
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:50.319
Oh, just the animated characters. I couldn't think of anything else.

672
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:51.319
Those are the biggest ones.

673
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:51.599
Yeah.

674
00:32:52.099 --> 00:32:52.319
Yeah.

675
00:32:53.299 --> 00:32:57.460
Well, obviously, another big Easter egg was the scenes on

676
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.960
the Future Enterprise. So, you know, both you and Chapel

677
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.569
were wearing uniforms very similar to what they wore in

678
00:33:02.589 --> 00:33:06.069
the original series and had very similar hairstyles. So let

679
00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:10.470
me start off here, like talking about time. It is

680
00:33:10.509 --> 00:33:13.009
a time travel episode, but talking about the time frame.

681
00:33:13.029 --> 00:33:15.859
All right. It was stated in this episode that the

682
00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:20.900
future scenes take place in 2263. This means that Kirk

683
00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:25.119
takes command of the U.S. Enterprise two years before his

684
00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:28.509
historic five-year mission that the original series takes place in,

685
00:33:29.289 --> 00:33:32.569
which that was established in the Star Trek Voyager episode

686
00:33:32.630 --> 00:33:36.789
Q2 that it had begun in 2265. That also matches

687
00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:39.730
the beginning date that was given in the reference book,

688
00:33:40.049 --> 00:33:42.940
Star Trek 2263, chronology, which is a phenomenal book when

689
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.240
you're trying to figure things out. I use that a

690
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.359
lot when it comes to these Easter eggs. But I'm

691
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.829
assuming that means that when Pike has this accident that

692
00:33:50.869 --> 00:33:54.809
cripples him, that Kirk is immediately placed in command of

693
00:33:54.829 --> 00:33:58.589
the ship to replace him. Now, that's new information. We

694
00:33:58.789 --> 00:34:00.819
didn't know that. I always thought there would be some

695
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.279
sort of gap in between, but apparently there's not much

696
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:07.119
time for it, so it must have happened immediately afterwards. Now,

697
00:34:07.220 --> 00:34:12.159
Captain Kirk references Gary Mitchell, his original first officer before

698
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.429
Spock took over that role. But this, I did not know,

699
00:34:16.449 --> 00:34:20.250
it was revealed that he's the stepbrother of Jenna Mitchell,

700
00:34:20.309 --> 00:34:22.329
and that's a character that we've seen on and off

701
00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:27.869
ever since the first season of this series. I spotted

702
00:34:27.909 --> 00:34:30.829
some Tucker tubes in the science lab. We've seen those

703
00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:34.730
blinky lights with those tubes in practically every Star Trek series,

704
00:34:34.789 --> 00:34:36.269
all the way back to Star Trek II, The Wrath

705
00:34:36.329 --> 00:34:39.760
of Khan. And they are named after the Enterprise's Trip

706
00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:43.309
Tucker that was given in the Lower Decks episode, I

707
00:34:43.349 --> 00:34:46.849
Have No Bones Yet I Must Flee. And as you mentioned, David,

708
00:34:46.889 --> 00:34:50.409
it's that Dr. Mbinga is spending time on Vulcan. It

709
00:34:50.449 --> 00:34:53.289
was stated in the original episode, A Private Little War,

710
00:34:53.349 --> 00:34:58.840
that Mbinga did internship on Vulcan, so that fits perfectly. Now,

711
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.340
Chappell states that she dated a woman who claims to

712
00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:05.099
work for the Department of Temporal Investigations. Well, you know,

713
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.239
Check out Deep Space Nine and Enterprise if you want

714
00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:10.659
to learn more about them. She also mentions that she

715
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:15.039
still intends to marry Dr. Roger Corby. I found this

716
00:35:15.099 --> 00:35:19.610
reference a little odd because according to the original series episode,

717
00:35:19.769 --> 00:35:22.610
What Are Little Girls Made Of?, she hasn't heard from

718
00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:26.809
him in five years. That means that when Chappell says

719
00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:30.250
that in this episode... She hasn't heard anything from him

720
00:35:30.289 --> 00:35:33.769
for nearly two years. So I guess she's really holding

721
00:35:33.789 --> 00:35:38.730
on to that hope. Now, we did see quite a

722
00:35:38.769 --> 00:35:41.610
few alien species appear in this episode. Many of them,

723
00:35:41.650 --> 00:35:44.369
as we mentioned, first time in live action. I did

724
00:35:44.389 --> 00:35:47.469
see a bullion, which is very familiar from The Next Generation.

725
00:35:48.230 --> 00:35:51.889
I saw an anixer, which I don't think I've ever

726
00:35:51.929 --> 00:35:55.610
seen them since the original series. There were two tellarites.

727
00:35:55.650 --> 00:36:00.230
You had that birdlight allurian. You saw the reptilian sword.

728
00:36:00.289 --> 00:36:02.090
Both of those were from the original series. And of course,

729
00:36:02.590 --> 00:36:06.090
the most important of all was Lieutenant Merez's first live

730
00:36:06.170 --> 00:36:09.789
action appearance. She was the main character during the Star

731
00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:13.800
Trek animated series. She was the Enterprise's operations divisions officer.

732
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.880
Great to see her. I hope it's not the only

733
00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:17.159
time we see her. We'll see her a little bit

734
00:36:17.179 --> 00:36:21.619
next year, hopefully. And then finally, now this is mostly

735
00:36:21.739 --> 00:36:24.500
guesswork from me, and it's not actually confirmed in the

736
00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:28.980
episode or anything, but Those beings that the Enterprise are

737
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.119
helping deliver the baby, the midwives and stuff, they sound

738
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.900
a lot like the wormhole prophets from Deep Space Nine.

739
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:37.179
A lot.

740
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:37.739
Oh, they do.

741
00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:41.610
So, you know, I don't know. Take it as you will. Maybe,

742
00:36:41.670 --> 00:36:43.309
maybe not. But that's what I'm thinking.

743
00:36:44.269 --> 00:36:48.489
I mean, it's an interesting theory. Like, if the birthplace

744
00:36:48.769 --> 00:36:54.789
is a point, is between two points, right? Like the...

745
00:36:56.019 --> 00:36:58.900
The ends of the black hole and the white hole

746
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.480
being interesting. I hadn't thought of that before.

747
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.389
If you also remember, too, there was an episode of

748
00:37:04.429 --> 00:37:10.269
The Next Generation. I think it was called Timescape. Timescape, yeah.

749
00:37:10.690 --> 00:37:15.190
Where we had some weird beings, non-corporeal beings that were

750
00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:18.380
giving birth in that. The only reason I lean towards

751
00:37:18.409 --> 00:37:21.780
the prophets is because they mention that it's non-linear. And

752
00:37:21.820 --> 00:37:25.150
that was a major point. part of the profits is

753
00:37:25.210 --> 00:37:27.809
that they were not. That's why I'm leaning more towards

754
00:37:27.829 --> 00:37:30.550
them than those aliens from Timescape.

755
00:37:31.250 --> 00:37:31.869
That's digging deep.

756
00:37:32.809 --> 00:37:32.989
Yeah.

757
00:37:33.349 --> 00:37:36.210
All right. Now that the season has been closed out,

758
00:37:36.389 --> 00:37:37.849
I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on the

759
00:37:37.889 --> 00:37:40.210
season in whole. What was your favorite episode? What was

760
00:37:40.230 --> 00:37:42.769
your least favorite? And how would you rank this season

761
00:37:42.809 --> 00:37:45.170
compared to the other three? David, what's your opinions?

762
00:37:46.150 --> 00:37:48.369
So I know we've discussed a lot of the gimmick

763
00:37:48.429 --> 00:37:50.090
episodes that I wasn't.

764
00:37:49.829 --> 00:37:53.050
A huge fan of. that we were all over the map,

765
00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:56.530
it felt like, in this season. I don't say this

766
00:37:56.550 --> 00:38:02.510
is my favorite season whatsoever. I mean, they've had a

767
00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:06.059
few good episodes here and there. I like that we've

768
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.780
established and moved the characters a little bit further than

769
00:38:09.099 --> 00:38:16.090
what we have. Beyond that, my favorite episode? I don't know,

770
00:38:16.110 --> 00:38:20.550
to be honest with you. I really like this last

771
00:38:20.570 --> 00:38:23.030
part of the horror because of the character development and

772
00:38:23.250 --> 00:38:25.969
the power of the way that ended. So I'll probably

773
00:38:25.989 --> 00:38:27.969
just go with this one, to be honest with you,

774
00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:28.920
as being one of my favorites.

775
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:30.119
Yeah.

776
00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:31.440
Scott, what about you?

777
00:38:31.460 --> 00:38:33.320
That is a great question.

778
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:34.659
I know, right?

779
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.159
I kind of want to go with Orders of Magnitude.

780
00:38:41.050 --> 00:38:42.670
Your best one? Your favorite?

781
00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:45.829
Yeah, I don't know. I just like the dramatic tension

782
00:38:45.869 --> 00:38:48.530
in that one. I just... I feel like that's going

783
00:38:48.550 --> 00:38:50.389
to be one that I just go back to on

784
00:38:50.409 --> 00:38:54.309
a regular basis now that there aren't others that weren't that. Um,

785
00:38:54.409 --> 00:38:55.909
and I know it's been kind of a, you know,

786
00:38:56.329 --> 00:38:58.789
a little bit of a, there's a lot of experimenting

787
00:38:58.809 --> 00:39:01.969
they've been doing with this one. Um, uh, I would

788
00:39:02.010 --> 00:39:04.449
say of all the experimenting ones that they've done, I

789
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:11.239
would probably want to go with, um, once a lot

790
00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:14.219
on a time. Really? Jeff is going to say of

791
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.829
all of them, but, As far as the ones where

792
00:39:17.849 --> 00:39:21.030
they did experiments, so like the black and white episode

793
00:39:21.210 --> 00:39:26.210
and the puppet episode and the soap opera episode, I

794
00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:28.670
don't know. It was just a lot of fun.

795
00:39:28.869 --> 00:39:29.909
The puppets were fun.

796
00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:32.619
Though. You know, they were like, there's a lot of

797
00:39:32.659 --> 00:39:33.460
fun in a lot of them.

798
00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:34.039
Yeah.

799
00:39:34.460 --> 00:39:36.199
But just the comic relief that they had in that

800
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.070
with them realizing that they're puppets and they had to

801
00:39:38.170 --> 00:39:39.710
like act like puppets in order.

802
00:39:39.550 --> 00:39:40.289
To get what they needed.

803
00:39:41.179 --> 00:39:44.360
I thought that was a blast to see, especially with

804
00:39:44.380 --> 00:39:46.199
them attacking on the bridge towards the end. I thought

805
00:39:46.219 --> 00:39:48.460
that was hysterical. And them floating in space before they

806
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:49.260
became human again.

807
00:39:49.579 --> 00:39:51.280
Yeah, especially the Pellia.

808
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.630
Yes, yeah. What about you, Wayne? That's one of my

809
00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:57.750
favorite episodes, but I don't choose it as my top

810
00:39:57.789 --> 00:40:00.789
favorite because it was a fun episode. But I agree

811
00:40:00.809 --> 00:40:03.389
with you, Scott. I think Orders of Magnitude probably is

812
00:40:03.510 --> 00:40:06.510
my favorite episode of the season. I just thought because

813
00:40:06.530 --> 00:40:10.289
it advanced the plot so much. this season that I just,

814
00:40:10.670 --> 00:40:13.260
I was glued to that for the whole time, but

815
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:15.619
I'll tell you what my least favorite one and human's

816
00:40:15.659 --> 00:40:18.039
best friend. I did not find that funny at all. Um,

817
00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:21.420
I just found it incredibly annoying with all the, the,

818
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:26.380
the drunk people running around. I, uh, yeah, I mean,

819
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.590
it had, it wasn't the worst. It wasn't a terrible episode.

820
00:40:29.610 --> 00:40:32.250
It just, I just, it found it too hard. It

821
00:40:32.269 --> 00:40:33.909
was trying to be funny too hard and I just

822
00:40:33.949 --> 00:40:36.130
didn't care much for it. But, uh, as for the

823
00:40:36.150 --> 00:40:41.420
whole season, I, I enjoyed this season in most part.

824
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.309
I don't think it's one of their strongest ones. I

825
00:40:44.449 --> 00:40:47.670
actually still stand. I think their second season was probably

826
00:40:47.710 --> 00:40:52.130
their strongest so far. But there were some really good

827
00:40:52.170 --> 00:40:55.829
episodes this season. I'm glad that they did do some

828
00:40:55.869 --> 00:40:57.750
experimenting because they did have some good stuff coming out

829
00:40:57.789 --> 00:40:57.960
of it.

830
00:40:58.449 --> 00:41:02.380
I kind of wonder, like, what would the Frog Brothers

831
00:41:02.739 --> 00:41:06.519
recommend from The Lost Boys? What's the episode in this

832
00:41:06.539 --> 00:41:09.679
where it's like, hey man, watch this. If somebody is

833
00:41:09.699 --> 00:41:13.059
going to be sampling Star Trek, I feel like for

834
00:41:13.179 --> 00:41:16.119
this season it's probably orders of magnitude to say if

835
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.460
you have any connection with the original and you're trying

836
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:23.179
to see how is future Trek holding up, that feels

837
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:26.599
like one of the great representations of how they can

838
00:41:26.619 --> 00:41:27.380
handle trauma.

839
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:32.019
Between that and this episode here, this finale, I think

840
00:41:32.219 --> 00:41:34.070
if you're going to if you were going to show

841
00:41:34.130 --> 00:41:35.989
someone that doesn't know much about Star Trek or is

842
00:41:36.090 --> 00:41:38.440
trying to, you know, had only watched the original or,

843
00:41:38.449 --> 00:41:41.449
you know, those are probably the two best episodes to

844
00:41:41.510 --> 00:41:43.619
show someone to, to point out and say, Hey, these are,

845
00:41:43.820 --> 00:41:44.820
you know, you want to watch these.

846
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.739
Hey man, watch this. Yeah.

847
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.400
And that's it for this week's episode of phaser set

848
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:54.360
to stun, as well as the fourth season of Star Trek,

849
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.380
strange new worlds. We'd like to open a channel to

850
00:41:57.420 --> 00:41:59.420
our listeners and hear just what you thought about the

851
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:02.530
most recent episode and the season in general. You can

852
00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:08.760
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853
00:42:09.380 --> 00:42:12.599
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00:42:12.619 --> 00:42:14.559
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856
00:42:18.630 --> 00:42:21.230
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857
00:42:21.250 --> 00:42:24.349
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858
00:42:24.389 --> 00:42:28.179
as well. A big, big thank you for my fellow Trekkers,

859
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.159
David and Scott, for joining me and you listeners again today.

860
00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:33.650
for this trip into the 23rd century.

861
00:42:34.190 --> 00:42:34.909
Great time as always.

862
00:42:35.369 --> 00:42:36.710
Yeah, likewise. Thanks for taking the help.

863
00:42:37.590 --> 00:42:40.840
Now, there are only six more episodes left for Strange

864
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.039
New Worlds, and we'll be back to talk about them

865
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.199
next year when the fifth and final season begins to air.

866
00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:50.099
In the meantime, we're going back to the 1960s to

867
00:42:50.139 --> 00:42:53.579
continue our discussion on the original series episodes by episode

868
00:42:53.619 --> 00:42:56.920
as part of the 60th anniversary celebration. We've covered the

869
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.500
two pilots and the first nine episodes of the first

870
00:42:59.539 --> 00:43:03.260
season of And next, we're talking about the two-parter, The Menagerie,

871
00:43:03.699 --> 00:43:07.800
along with episode 12, The Conscious of the King. So

872
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.699
we'll be back in a couple of weeks, rested and

873
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.280
ready to bring you more Trek Talk in the next

874
00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:15.210
episode of Phasers Set to Stun.