Aug. 26, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E5 - Level Five Transporter Accident

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E5 - Level Five Transporter Accident

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This week, we're continuing our coverage of the fourth season of Strange New Worlds with the fifth episode, Level Five Transporter Accident! Is Star Trek ready for Muppets in space?

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast

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that explores the expanding Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,

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and so much more. Plotting the course, as always, is

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your core Trek crew. I'm Scott Hoffman.

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And I'm Wayne Whited.

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And listeners, it seems like David took a shuttle on

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an away mission. He just stole the keys and split.

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But I know he'll be here next week with a

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brand new fresh take on the latest Trek. And Wayne

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and I are here to take you through the latest

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episode of Strange New Worlds. Episode 5 is titled Level

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5 Transporter Accident, directed by Jordan Canning, and written by

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Henry Alonzo Myers and Dana Horgan. Since this is Fresh Track,

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we're calling for a red alert on spoilers. If you

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haven't seen the latest episode, pause for a minute, go

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watch it, and come back to us when you get

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caught up. Wayne, why don't you tell us what this

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one is all about?

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Oh, it would be my pleasure.

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Oh, yeah.

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The USS Enterprise is ordered to protect Ryzonian space from

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Orion pirates while Scotty tests a new long-range transporter. The

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experiment goes horribly wrong, turning the entire crew into puppets

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while leaving Spock unaffected and responsible for keeping the ship running.

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When the Orions attack and capture Spock, the puppet crew

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discover their new forms make them nearly indestructible and use

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their bizarre abilities to rescue him and defeat the pirates.

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Thanks, Wayne.

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And I will stop right there because there's some spoilers.

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There's some big spoilers, which we'll get into.

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Exactly. So second spoiler alert. If you need to go

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watch it, go do it now. So I'd say it's

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most fair to say this is one of the most

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unique episodes we've seen in a while.

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I'd say that.

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And it seems like yet again, the fan base is

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split on their opinions about it. It had a strong

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production behind it with puppets built, constructed by the Jim

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Henson Company and an impressive amount of puppetry, a great

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cast of puppeteers. and some surprising, outstanding comedic additions to

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the cast in the Orions that I didn't even recognize

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until I kind of squinted for a minute and recognized them.

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Yeah, neither did I.

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But some people feel it was too far from what

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they want from Star Trek. So, Wayne, I'm curious about

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your thoughts on this week's episode.

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Well, this... I mean, we've known about this episode for

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quite some time now, about a year, I think. And

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I was very skeptical. I really didn't think I was

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going to enjoy this because... You know, they've been leaning

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heavily into the gimmicks this season. Right. And I was

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not looking forward to this because, you know, I'm a

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longtime Trekkie. And it's kind of hard to expend my disbelief,

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my structured Star Trek, you know, fave. Remember the musical episode?

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I still have trouble with that.

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Really?

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I'm going to tell you. Yeah. I.

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I really, really enjoyed this episode.

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Good.

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I mean, it was a shock to me that I

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was glued to the screen the entire time. Honest to God,

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I loved every minute of this. I didn't think I'd

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like it, and I can understand why a lot of

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Trekkies are not liking this, but if you turn off

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that Trekkie mentality and just sit back and enjoy the episode,

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it really is a lot of fun It's such a

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ridiculous thing. Ridiculous idea, if you really think about it.

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But I love the Muppets. I absolutely love the Muppets.

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I always have. I love every one of their films.

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I've always wanted to write for the Muppets. I just

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think they're hilarious and great. And this is the Muppet

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movie version of Star Trek. And when you think of

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it that way, just enjoy it. And it's so much fun.

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I laughed all the way through it.

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I mean, I was.

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I'm probably kind of biased more than usual for this

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episode because my son is a professional puppeteer. And I

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have loved the Muppets since I was born, basically. When

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I was on the tube in the 70s. And I

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think for somebody who's expecting next generation kind of Trek

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or something that's going to take itself very seriously most

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of the way through, Although I'd probably point to like

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Deanna Troi becoming a cake at one point and doctors

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having sex with lantern ghosts. But, you know, this is

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one where, you know, fortunately, third and last spoiler alert.

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The whole thing is a dream sequence. So anybody who's

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all twisted up about, you know, the plausibility of this

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or whatever, you can skip it. It's OK if you

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know that this is not for you. You can move on.

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The great news is there's a lot of Trek for everybody.

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But this one in particular does have a lot of

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that great Muppet DNA in it, in that you have,

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thinking back to the original Muppet show, you have one

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live-action guest star who is amongst all the chaos that's

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happening in this kind of Muppetized world, right? So it

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very much felt like the writing was in line with that.

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By the same token, it felt like it was a

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very Trek... way of looking at Muppet physics and dynamics, right?

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Looking at the fact that like, well, we can't really

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be killed in this form. Um, we can be destroyed possibly,

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but you can sew things back together. Uh, and I'll

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get back into that a little bit, but I don't know.

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I felt like it was a very creative use of that.

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I thought it was a great, um, great Muppet designs

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for the cast. Uh, the caricatures of each of them. Um,

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I had seen an interview with, uh, uh, Melissa Navia

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talking about how she wanted to get her hair just right.

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I'm sure Anson Mount had the same kind of thoughts,

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but very fun, very creative. Um, just, there's so much

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going on in this episode. Um, but I can, I

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can see where, you know, if people are getting upset

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about it, it's fine. Just skip it and let it relax.

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I mean, I, I didn't know how they were going

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to approach this. When we first heard they're going to

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do a puppet episode of, you know, you groan, you know, like, Oh, okay.

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You know, how were they going to do this? I

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had no idea. Um, and I think they did the

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right thing. In fact, I think they did everything right

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with this episode and that don't make it serious. Don't

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try to include it in part of Star Trek continuity,

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just run with it and have fun and be just

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as silly and crazy as you possibly can. And that's

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what they did. I, I, I just, I laughed at everything.

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There's so many great parts that I loved about this.

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But the puppets, you were talking about the puppets' designs,

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in my opinion, and the puppetry itself was very, very Muppet-like.

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They did a fantastic job. They looked great. I love

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that Pellia puppet.

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I was just about to ask who your favorite puppet

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design was.

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I actually think she might work better as a puppet

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than she does live action, to tell you the truth.

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That hair looked like onion straws or something like that.

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It had its own life.

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The way she was zipping around and talking, she reminded

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me a lot of Rizzo the Rat, which I love

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that character. I absolutely love that character.

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Or Pepe the Prawn.

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Pepe, that's another one that I love that.

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She made me laugh.

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One of the things that I thought was kind of

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interesting was it gave me just a second of Starfleet

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Academy vibes because I noticed that she was barefoot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I hadn't seen that before.

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I was like, OK, that's an interesting choice.

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You know, her and I, I honest God, I can't

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remember the name of the character from Holly Hunter's character

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from Starfleet Academy, but they were the same race. So,

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you know, maybe that's just one of their traits. They

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like walking around without any shoes on. I'm OK with that.

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Yeah. Oh, go ahead.

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Oh, I was just going to say, you know, even

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though you can, like you said, it's very much you

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can skip this episode if you want to. I suggest

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you don't. Just have fun. But there is a little

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bit of storyline heading through this. Everything that's happening to

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Spock is a direct result of what we saw a

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couple episodes in the Griffin incident. That comes from that

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trauma that he had from that. So I'm kind of curious...

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where they're going with that. It looks like that seems

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to be part of their story string for the season.

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So that part, I don't really think it's that important

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to watch this episode just for that. And then it seemed, too,

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that we advanced a little bit between Spock and T'Pring's

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relationship and story, which I love T'Pring. I thought she

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was fantastic. When she screamed, at first I was shocked,

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but then I started laughing. I thought that was so great.

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They balanced it really well. They balanced everything really well.

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in this episode. That's why I like Strange New Worlds.

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I like that they're willing to take these unusual chances.

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No other Star Trek series could do that.

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kind of duality. Because his high anxiety and his ability

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to have a dream like this and think it's completely

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plausible is his human side kind of probably fighting for

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survival with his Vulcan side. And interestingly, he's going back

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to Pring with that. I think the relationships that he's

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in is a very interesting reflection of that.

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So I think it's a smart add. And she does

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a good job of– she brings him back down to

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Earth and really helps him focus. what he has to

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do for this episode. There's really genuine character moments in here.

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I mean, it's not all just comedy and, you know,

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flying Muppets. I liked, I think the writer did a

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fantastic job. I know this writer, it's the same writers

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that wrote the Star Trek con audio series, which we

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have not reviewed. And I've been wanting everybody to do

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that because I thought that was absolutely fantastic. So I

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had a lot of high hopes with, you know, the

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writing on this episode and they, they pulled it off. Um,

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kudos to them.

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Yeah. Well, I, I, as a, as a fan of, um, Buffy,

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the vampire slayer and the, the angel spinoff. Um, I'm

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also seeing kind of some, some influence of there's a,

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an angel episode called smile time where I think one

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or two of the characters are turned into puppets. I

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think I remember that similar kind of smile.

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Yeah. Creepy.

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Um, but just interesting how they kind of dug into the,

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the dynamics of, um, of being a puppet and kind

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of analyzing that through the, through the real world. I

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thought it was, it was hilarious.

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Yeah. And that's, that's another thing that I think they

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did right. And don't take it whole seriously. Don't, don't,

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you know, cause it would, it doesn't make any sense

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if you really think of it, it makes absolutely no

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sense that we could turn into puppets. So if, you know,

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the fact that they, they kind of explained it, you know,

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the fact that they don't breathe. And that was the

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first thing I thought when they shot, uh, um, Pike

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out into space. I'm like, well, no, wait a minute.

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He's a puppet. Does he need to breathe? And of

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course that's, that's what happened. Did, did you notice the

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moment that, um, before they shot him off into space with,

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with Spock on the other side of the glass?

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Oh, touch the glass.

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Yeah. Yeah. I love that. That, that made me laugh too.

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Yeah. That gave me a split second of doubt. I

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was like, is it, wait, they're taking that seriously. Yeah.

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And then no, no, totally not. Let's talk about those

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comedic actors. The surprise appearances we had by Rachel Harris.

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Rachel Harris, yes.

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Joe Latrullio. I think you had mentioned that Rachel was

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at a con recently, right?

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Yes, just two weeks ago, I attended the Steel City

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Con in Monroeville, Pennsylvania. I went there specifically to meet

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Rebecca Romijn, which I think I mentioned a couple episodes.

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And Rachel Harris was there, and I even... Briefly, because

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her table was right next to Bob Gunton, who was

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in Star Trek Next Generation. And I said hi to her.

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I had no idea that she was appearing in Star Trek.

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I would have talked to her about this episode. I

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would have got her autograph. No idea. Complete surprise. I'm

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rather kicking myself in the ass for that.

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I mean, you couldn't have known, right?

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I couldn't have known. Because they hadn't released any cast

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lists yet. But yeah, she was there. I hope she

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makes another appearance around here. But she was fantastic. I

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love how... The Orions are another race that you really

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can't take seriously. They never did in Enterprise, and they

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definitely didn't in Lower Decks. It's a fun race that

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hasn't really been established very well live action. I'm glad

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to see them again, and I thought they were fantastic

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in this episode. Perfect race to choose against Puppets.

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Yeah, well, and it leaned fully into the pirate side,

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and I think they've done a great job of exploring.

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There's a lot of facets to Orions, but we can

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lean pretty heavily into it for this episode. And I

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think having those two as live action, um, uh, actors

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in this episode is a great choice because you need

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somebody who's going to be able to play off of them.

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In addition to Ethan Peck, who did an amazing job as,

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you know, live action Spock all the way through. I

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had seen an interview with him where he had said that, uh,

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you know, people were asking if he was upset that

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he didn't get to be, you know, turned into a Muppet.

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And he was like, no, I had a blast because.

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He was the only one. Yeah. Could you imagine being, I, I,

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like I said, I love the Muppets, uh, you know,

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the Muppet movie and the great Muppet caper, which is

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what this episode reminded me the most of that film, uh,

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are some of my favorite films growing up and just

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the idea of working with the Muppets. Cause the way

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I always, I always found this very humorous, uh, the

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way we treat the Muppets, we don't treat them as,

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you know, this is Jim Henson playing Kermit. We treat it.

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This is Kermit as if it's a real person.

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And, I always wonder, you know, the actors, I've heard

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a lot of actors talk about that and they say, no, they,

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you know, like if they're on Sesame street, no, you know,

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we don't, I don't treat it as if I'm talking

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to the puppet or to the, the puppeteer. I'm, I'm

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actually talking to Kermit or I'm actually talking to big bird.

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And it's, you know, it's how we, we've embodied them

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as a, as real people. And to be able to,

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to be Ethan Peck on that set, working with all

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them puppets, I, God, that would have been such a highlight.

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I hope we run into him because I want to

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talk to him about this episode. I really do. I

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got a hundred questions I have to ask him.

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Well, it's amazing to just like, if you stop and

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think about this kind of production and kind of what

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goes into it, like their eyeline has to go directly

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to these characters. So they have to address them as

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if they're real characters. And that's because they're actors that

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are kind of struggling to live. Right. To be brought

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to life in that way and to continue to kind

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of suspend that disbelief. And I've seen tons of interviews with,

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you know, Jim Henson, who's sitting there with, you know,

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Kermit or Rolf or whoever it might be. And he'll

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be sitting there right next to somebody who's interviewing them. And,

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you know, Kermit will acknowledge Jim is there. But it's

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never a disconnect where somebody's talking right to Jim. They'll

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always talk to Kermit. You see it with kids on

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Sesame Street all the time, especially in the 70s. It's

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an amazing art form.

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And I'm just... It is.

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Bazzled at how they do something like this. I think

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they did a great job with it. It is. It is.

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I just... I love the Muppets. I love the puppets here.

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I wonder what happened to these puppets after they got done.

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I wonder... If the actors got them or if they're

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going to go in a museum, because I would love

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to see them. I hope they are preserved because this is,

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in my opinion, I'm sorry, all you Trekkies that are

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against this episode. I think this is going to be

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a highlight of Trek lore. And I would love to

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be able to see these. This is going to be

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an episode that's going to be talked about for many,

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many years to come, whether good or bad. I think

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people are going to appreciate this more as time goes by.

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Yep. Well, I mean, so one particular place I'd like

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to see it is at the Jim Henson Creature Shop.

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In New York. That would be a great place for it, yes.

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That gives tours on weekends, Saturdays and Sundays. My son

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Ian is working there right now as a tour guide.

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So it'd be great to see, you know, of all

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the things you get preserved there, maybe having a little

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moment where they're on display there would be a great

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thing to see.

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That would be a perfect place for it. I remember

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as a kid getting to see the actual Kermit puppet

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that was used during the Rainbow Connections singing bit for

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Muppet movie and just being absolutely I mean to me

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it was really Kermit sitting right in front of me

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and I'd love to see these puppets preserved so that

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I can go see them and I just I love

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this episode that's why you know I'm talking like this

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because I just think this is just a fantastic original

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thing done and I'm so glad that they did it.

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Me too well and there's tons of tours out there

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where you can see plenty of things like that so

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I encourage anybody Wayne you included to go check it

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out I will alright well let's take a quick break

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and when we come back we'll talk about more thoughts

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on this week's episode okay welcome back let's talk a

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little bit more about level 5 transporter accident so we

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saw battle damage on um quite a few of these

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uh characters right um you had laan had her arm

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pop off but that was able to be sewn back

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on you saw um pelia get sliced in half um

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to pring had a burning hand yeah which hopefully they

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were able to find some way of i know it

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was a dream so it doesn't matter but the whole

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time that was happening i was like but how do

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they fix that like they make her a new hand they.

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Anyway I guess they could. I mean, you know, the

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way the whole thing worked, I guess they could just

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make our new hands sew right back on.

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But then the red shirt, the unfortunate red shirt co-pilot,

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that was another thing that was just like, I probably got,

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you know, stuck on that off-ramp for a while just

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thinking like, yeah, but this poor sap, when he gets

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transported back, he's got a giant gaping hole in his torso.

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Yep. I was thinking the same thing. You know, he

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was floating out in space and you could see right

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through that hole. Because we hadn't got the big reveal

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at that point. I'm thinking, well, what happens when he

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becomes human again? well you have that big hole in

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him fortunately it's all a dream and we don't have

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to worry about that it made me wonder in.

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My head he's still in a buffer somewhere just kind

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of like i'll be fine leave me as a puppet

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i'm happier this.

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Way yeah that was if that was the case i

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would have said just just leave me a puppet for

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the rest of my life i'll walk around with a

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big hole in my chest i'll.

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Take it yeah so let's get into those Trek tracks,

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those places where we usually ask the, the, um, some

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standard questions that we always want to kind of go into.

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And the first one I want to ask you, obviously,

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is which member of the crew shine the most in

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this episode? Um, Wayne, what are your thoughts?

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Well, this was a hard one because I, at first

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I wasn't going to count any of the puppet versions

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of the characters. They really weren't the characters. Um, other

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than I love the Pellia puppet and I was going

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to say Spock, but I guess I, I changed my mind.

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I've decided to, uh, zero down and say to Pring,

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you know, well, you know, she's basically the voice of

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reason in the middle of all this ridiculousness that's going on,

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this chaos, you know, especially when Spock starts to get

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overwhelmed and he's, you know, he's just, could you imagine

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being the only person being able to push any of

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the buttons or controlling an entire starship yourself? I mean,

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I know you could do that during the next generation era,

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but not during this time. So that would be very overwhelming,

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but she was calm and, you know, She even let

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herself be captured as a ruse where they could turn

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their tables on the Orions. I thought she had a

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lot to do in this episode, and it was all

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really good stuff. And I'm glad to see this character

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being expanded from that, what, brief one-episode original series appearance

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that we had. She just came across as being very intelligent,

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very strong, very compassionate for a Vulcan, I'll tell you that. Plus,

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like I said, I laughed so hard when she started

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screaming and just letting all that emotions out. I thought

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that was fantastic.

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Yeah. Well, you read my mind. I had written down

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the same kind of answer. Like, it seems obvious to

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say Spock, but I do want to say T'Pring. And

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I think, I've only watched this episode once, and I

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feel like I want to go back and watch it

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a second time. Because I'm interested to see where their

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relationship really goes when they're in and out of the

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dream reality. Because I think there are some important arcs here. Mm-hmm.

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But putting all that aside, when I'm looking at this

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with a Muppet lens, the triple slap that she gives

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to Spock to snap him out of it was one

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of the particularly high points for me with her character.

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I love the fact that she continues to come back.

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I love the fact that they didn't just say, well,

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that relationship is over and we've closed the door.

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Yeah, I'm glad.

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It does continue to be kind of one of his

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ties back to Vulcan. but it's also somebody who knows

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him so well and cares about him in her own way.

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So I'm glad that they brought her back and I'm

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glad that they gave her a big role here. And

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for somebody who's not necessarily always a regular character, for

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her to be able to get a puppet form of herself.

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Yeah, I'm glad they did that.

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So if you could be anyone in this episode, who

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would it be?

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Well, I'm going to give you probably the biggest cop-out

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of all time with this one. I'm going to say

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any of the characters that got changed into a puppet.

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Okay.

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Once you get over the initial shock of suddenly becoming

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a puppet, you're basically indestructible. You can get your arm

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ripped off, you can get cut in half, thrown in space,

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catch fire, like you said. There's no consequences from all that. Plus,

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you just got to take part in all those ridiculous

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action scenes they had, which had me rolling in laughter

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when they were fighting the Orions. Love that. The only

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downside would be not being able to control the Enterprise

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with those little puppet hands they have.

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Just like pounding on consoles the whole time.

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I think it would be particularly fun and very bizarre.

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And the idea of being able to float out into

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space like they did without suffocating or worrying about dying.

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That would be absolutely incredible. I can understand why they

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all wanted to do that.

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Well, for me, I wouldn't go with Pellaea. just because

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it seemed like her puppet was so much fun.

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It was.

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Just the volume of her hair, like the characterization, I guess,

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of each of those, I thought was really well done,

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but it just seemed like she was so bouncy and playful.

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It feels like it would be hard to keep your

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balance with that much straw happening up top, but no,

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it seems like she had a lot of fun. Well,

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as far as Easter eggs, there were two that came

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to my mind, and then I'll let you loose. I

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think naming Scotty's puppet Little Ricky seemed like a nod

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to the godmother of Trek, Lucy Beale Ball. Yeah. And

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that whole series.

471
00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:50.170
Yeah, that's what I thought too.

472
00:24:51.250 --> 00:24:55.970
I'm kind of surprised that Scotty kept this puppet that

473
00:24:56.130 --> 00:24:58.799
terrified him and tormented him for so much of his childhood.

474
00:24:59.660 --> 00:25:01.630
I wouldn't bring it aboard. No, because it has to

475
00:25:01.670 --> 00:25:03.660
live in your quarters. Like, what am I going to

476
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:06.480
do with this thing? The other thing I wanted to

477
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:08.960
touch on is just kind of the nature of how

478
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:12.680
they put this kind of thing together. I saw an

479
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:16.200
interview with Anson Mount talking about this. And as I

480
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:20.740
understand it, the production for this episode, they had another

481
00:25:20.859 --> 00:25:23.599
episode happening while it was being filmed. So it might

482
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.799
seem like the cast that's not visible got a break

483
00:25:26.859 --> 00:25:30.319
while they weren't on camera. But they did have to, apparently,

484
00:25:30.339 --> 00:25:34.109
they recorded their audio as the basis and the inspiration

485
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:36.910
for the puppeteers to deliver the cast dialogue in the scene.

486
00:25:37.670 --> 00:25:39.869
And then once the footage was shot, the crew watched

487
00:25:39.930 --> 00:25:42.529
it and recorded in ADR as needed to get them

488
00:25:42.549 --> 00:25:43.049
synced up.

489
00:25:43.170 --> 00:25:46.049
I found that rather odd because, you know, with animation,

490
00:25:46.509 --> 00:25:49.430
you record the voices first and then they animate according

491
00:25:49.490 --> 00:25:52.789
to what you say. And when I heard that they

492
00:25:53.250 --> 00:25:55.329
did the puppetry and then they had to go back

493
00:25:55.369 --> 00:25:57.769
and record, and many of the actors... they had to

494
00:25:57.809 --> 00:26:00.509
do quite a few takes because they weren't as dynamic

495
00:26:00.670 --> 00:26:03.609
as they needed. They had to look at the puppets

496
00:26:04.009 --> 00:26:08.089
and change their voices to match the characterizations of the

497
00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:10.390
movements and stuff. I just found that rather odd. I

498
00:26:10.430 --> 00:26:12.690
didn't realize they did it that way. I always thought

499
00:26:12.710 --> 00:26:13.559
it was the other way around.

500
00:26:14.059 --> 00:26:17.240
Yeah, and I don't know if that's how it's typically done,

501
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.980
but the way he described it as the interpretation of

502
00:26:21.019 --> 00:26:24.480
a performance that's the interpretation of a performance that's real.

503
00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:26.990
couple of metal layers to get into there for for

504
00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:28.710
how they did it but i think they pulled it

505
00:26:28.730 --> 00:26:29.349
off really well.

506
00:26:29.269 --> 00:26:30.910
Oh yeah and you know i could tell that many

507
00:26:30.930 --> 00:26:34.009
of the actors especially anson mount he was much more

508
00:26:34.089 --> 00:26:37.690
dynamic with his his lines um he had to be

509
00:26:37.730 --> 00:26:39.710
to match the puppet but i now that makes sense

510
00:26:40.109 --> 00:26:44.450
i can see see why um but yeah fantastic job

511
00:26:44.470 --> 00:26:47.430
they did with that though but there really wasn't that

512
00:26:47.470 --> 00:26:49.420
many easter eggs in here i did find a couple

513
00:26:49.460 --> 00:26:52.299
of them but not very many I think they were

514
00:26:52.420 --> 00:26:55.380
concentrating more on the puppetry rather than actually squeezing and,

515
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.519
you know, past Star Trek stuff. But we mentioned Rachel Harris,

516
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.140
who plays the Orion leader, Chirol. She's no stranger to

517
00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:06.069
Star Trek. She actually was on it before, which I

518
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.289
completely forgot about when I saw her, too. She played

519
00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:13.789
Kes's mother, Meritus, on Star Trek Voyager, and specifically the

520
00:27:13.829 --> 00:27:19.250
episode before and after. Now, talking about Scotty's puppet, Little Ricki,

521
00:27:19.730 --> 00:27:22.269
The pants that he wears is made of the same

522
00:27:22.369 --> 00:27:25.849
tartan pattern that was seen in Scotty's kilt on the

523
00:27:25.890 --> 00:27:29.420
original series episode, The Savage Curtain. So it definitely is

524
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:34.960
within the family there. Now, the Orion ship, it matches

525
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:39.079
the design exactly to the version that we saw animated

526
00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:43.140
on Star Trek Lower Decks. That design is a bit

527
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:45.690
of an upgrade, but still very similar to the version

528
00:27:45.710 --> 00:27:47.970
that was introduced in Star Trek Enterprise, which is a

529
00:27:48.470 --> 00:27:51.309
the first time we ever saw the proper Orion ships.

530
00:27:51.329 --> 00:27:52.890
I know we saw them in the animated series, but

531
00:27:52.950 --> 00:27:56.869
those were weird. Um, but it kept the same general profile. Um,

532
00:27:57.750 --> 00:27:59.890
and then of course I've already mentioned the only other

533
00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:01.910
Easter egg I could find was that shot of Spock

534
00:28:01.950 --> 00:28:04.900
and the puppet Pike touching the glass, um, before he

535
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.980
gets ejected into space. That's definitely an homage to Spock's

536
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.740
death and Star Trek to the Rathacon.

537
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:14.640
Yeah. Well, and there was another mention, uh, Scotty mentioned

538
00:28:14.660 --> 00:28:15.339
the buffer again.

539
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.480
Oh, that's right. He did. Yes. Yeah, we know where

540
00:28:18.500 --> 00:28:19.000
that's going.

541
00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:22.980
I was a little surprised at that. So, yeah. I mean,

542
00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:25.500
listeners probably already have, but if you haven't, maybe after

543
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:31.319
this episode, go check out the Relics episode from Next Generation. Well,

544
00:28:31.460 --> 00:28:33.480
it's hard to believe we're halfway through the season.

545
00:28:34.059 --> 00:28:36.599
Yeah, and it's been a pretty decent season. There's been

546
00:28:36.619 --> 00:28:39.769
some ups and downs, but in my opinion, far more ups.

547
00:28:39.869 --> 00:28:41.009
I hope they continue with this.

548
00:28:41.630 --> 00:28:43.970
Yeah, for sure. I agree. And I'll be curious to

549
00:28:44.009 --> 00:28:45.289
see where they take the rest of the season.

550
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.740
Well, you did see about next week's episode. I'm curious

551
00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:51.019
as to what they're going to do here. And it's

552
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:54.529
called Off Hour. And let's see. The Paramount tease was

553
00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:58.589
an off-duty window becomes a warp emergency when the Enterprise

554
00:28:58.650 --> 00:29:02.710
is pushed beyond its safety limits. It sounds like they

555
00:29:02.730 --> 00:29:04.569
might be back to an ordinary Star Trek episode, but

556
00:29:04.710 --> 00:29:07.309
I hope there's a lot of gimmicks. It seems like

557
00:29:07.329 --> 00:29:11.170
they're doing different movie genres. I'm kind of hoping that

558
00:29:11.190 --> 00:29:14.720
this isn't like a speed ripoff or something like that.

559
00:29:15.019 --> 00:29:15.250
Oh, boy.

560
00:29:16.109 --> 00:29:17.170
But we'll see next week.

561
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:19.980
Well, it seems like we're definitely going to get, well,

562
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.400
I would hope it's going to be a Scotty and

563
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:27.559
Pellia somewhat centric episode. Probably Ortega's as well.

564
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.099
It sounds like it. I mean, definitely going to be,

565
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.890
should be lots of scenes in the engineering. So I

566
00:29:33.930 --> 00:29:37.470
hope so. I think Pellia in true form has not

567
00:29:37.509 --> 00:29:39.529
had very much to do this season. And I'd like

568
00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:39.950
to see more.

569
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.799
Of her agreed well I'm curious to see where they

570
00:29:42.819 --> 00:29:45.700
take the rest of the season and listeners we thank

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575
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Oh, it was my pleasure. Loved the episode.

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