Sept. 8, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E7 | Like Chronitons Through the Hourglass

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Space, the final frontier. Join us for a bold conversation.

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Our prime directive, to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old. To engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize.

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Welcome back to a new episode of Phasers Set to Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by podcast,

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which focuses on every system of the expanding Star Trek

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universe by covering television, movies, animation, directors, merchandise, dice, and much,

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much more. Plotting your course on this voyage of the

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USS Enterprise is your core Trek crew. I'm Wayne Whited.

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I'm David Byrne.

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And I'm Scott Hoffman.

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And today we're talking about the seventh episode of the

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fourth season of Star Trek Strange New Worlds, titled Like

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Chronitons Through the Hourglass, which is written by Dana Horgan

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and Bill Wolkoff and directed by Anna Dokoza. So this

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point forward, it's red alert. There are spoilers ahead. And

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by now, you should have went over to Paramount Plus

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and watched the episode. So sit back, relax, and have

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a listen to what we have to say about the

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episode and Star Trek in general. Well, David, why don't

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you give us a short summary.

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Of the episode?

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Absolutely. In today's episode of Days of Our Enterprise, Captain

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Pike awakens from an apparent head injury that he doesn't remember.

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He finds himself on an Enterprise he doesn't recognize with

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much brighter lighting, crew members acting very weird with their

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overdramatic performances and awkward pausing, not to mention odd situations

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like a heart transplant for Spock, cosmic amnesia, space madness,

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and a whore suddenly being his daughter. Pike is quickly

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removed from command and is up to ship's counselor, Dr.

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Eleanor Shivers, to try and help him on his way

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back into the captain's chair. Meanwhile, it is Lon who

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tries to desperately convince Spock's brother, Cybok, to give up

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his heart and apparently his life so Spock can live.

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Pike fears the musical has returned, but he quickly discovers

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that Trelawney is behind it all with this odd project

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placing the crew of the Enterprise in a soap opera

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that only he controls. If anything goes awry, as it

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does with Pike, who is the only one that realizes

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what is going on, he will quickly remind, and we'll

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be right back after these messages. It will take everything

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Pike has, including facing emotions he has buried deep inside

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to help with recovery for not only himself, but the

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entire ship.

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All right, so, well... We have another gimmicky episode, obviously,

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but some of the other ones have worked really well.

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What do you guys think about this episode? Well, Scott,

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you start this time.

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Well, I mean, my mom was always an As the

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World Turns fan, so I wasn't too tied to Days

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of Our Lives. Me too. We dip into that every

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once in a while. I feel like this one is skippable.

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It feels like a short trek. I think if they

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were going to boldly go into doing a soap opera parody,

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they did a great job of it. Even bringing in

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an official counselor, who we've talked about several times.

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It's about time.

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Being pretty busy, yep. And finally getting another version of Cybok,

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although I don't know whether to trust the casting of that.

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We can talk about that in a little bit. But anyway,

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I don't know. I found it entertaining enough. It wasn't cringing,

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but it wasn't one of my favorites.

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You know, as you guys know, I have been plugging

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this all season. I'm tired of the gimmick episodes. I

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really am. Just like you said, Scott, I felt like

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they hit the nail on the head with making it

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look and feel like a soap opera. I have to

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hand it to the actors, though, because the fact that

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they were able to pull off to make it have

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that soap opera vibe, kudos to them for that. Especially Mbenga,

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because his overdramatic responses and stuff of what he was

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trying to explain... Was just incredible. So just in his

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performance alone was great. But with that being said. The

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one thing that I absolutely. Absolutely loved. About this episode.

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Was Pike. Finally giving in to his emotions. At the

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end of this episode. And just giving that raw cry.

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That we've never seen Pike do. That has been building

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up for every season. Up to the point where we're

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at right now. And you know. He was remembering the

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daughter that. He never had, but he kind of had.

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And he got to experience her a little bit here.

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And she feels so real to him on top of

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everything that he's had to deal with. We saw Pike

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like we've never seen him before at the end of

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this episode. And up to that point, I'm kind of like, okay,

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this episode's got its moments. It's cool. But when that happened,

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I was completely pulled and drawn in to that moment.

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Because Pike is a human being. he's a captain of

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this ship. He's the father of this ship. He's the

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father of everybody on this ship. He takes care of them. He,

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you know, we've seen him countless times, countless times, put

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himself in danger to protect everybody, including protecting them from Starfleet.

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And now we get to see that raw emotion come

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bubbling out of him. So with that particular scene, this episode,

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I have to love this episode for that mere fact.

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Yeah.

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I'm kind of with you that time, uh, on everything

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you pretty much said, David, um, I wasn't sure how

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I would feel about this episode because I'm not a

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big fan of soap operas in the first place, but

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I do like, it wasn't the best episode this season.

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It'll never be my favorite, but there were some really

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good parts of it that I liked. I liked the,

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I liked the fact that they, they filmed it in

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a different aspect ratio. I will say that I didn't

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even notice that until like almost the very end. One

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thing Star Trek does not do very often or for

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that matter, very well is, um, showing the consequences of

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everything that these people are going through. You know, the trauma,

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dealing with the trauma of having, they go through a

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lot of trauma. The only time I ever remember Star

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Trek ever dealing with it, they did deal with it

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a little bit in Deep Space Nine with Nog and that,

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but was Captain Picard. And that's what Pike's journey is

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reminding me a lot of Captain Picard. There's a lot

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of parallels. You know, Picard was, he was traumatized by

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the Borg and, at the end of the episode, Family,

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he breaks down and starts crying, and this reminded me

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a lot of that. But Pike's journey reminded me also

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a lot of Picard's journey in Inner Light, and we

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saw nothing come from that. And that always bothered me

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over the years. We never really saw much of how...

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the trauma, the, the stuff is a little bit higher,

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especially higher than the, it's, it's, I thought at first

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it was going to be my least favorite episode, but

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it's now it's, it's, it's not because of that one scene.

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And there were some other good things. I did kind

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of like the whole, uh, bit. I thought that was

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so overly cheesy that it, it spun itself around and,

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and to be likable again. I, I thought that was

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pretty cool, but there are some, and the casting, the

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casting was great. I thought that, you know, I love

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the guest cast and they're all seem to be having

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a lot of fun. So, You can't hate this episode,

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in my opinion.

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I think one of the things that they did well

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in this episode was with... The whole cast remembers everything.

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The whole crew remembers everything at the end. So it's

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not like, boom, everybody forgets what happened. They actually remembered

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the dialogue that they had with each other, including Ahura,

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what she had with Pike, of her being his daughter,

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and those kind of things. They remember all that. And

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if you really dig deep down into this episode, you realize...

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even though this was a gimmicky episode and it was

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about a soap opera, you're still seeing these characters dealing

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with things that they are really dealing with in their.

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Real character lives.

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So the fact, even though this was a soap opera episode,

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you were still getting characters being pushed forward with their

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development in this episode. So when you really break it

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down and look at it, especially there at the end

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with everybody, this episode, even though it was gimmicky, still

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has something to say about what's going on in the season,

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in my opinion.

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Looking at the meeting behind the little vignettes that they had,

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that M'Benga might not have space madness or whatever it is.

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He might not even have some kind of physical ailment

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going on, but it might be that he's coming closer

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and closer to the idea that he might not want

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to be with Starfleet anymore. And that La'an wants to

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be able to pursue who she is, maybe outside of Starfleet,

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or at least to kind of back off from the

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relationship with Spock. Maybe some confusion about what's happening there,

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with the Enterprise being more of a Horus family than

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her actual family ever was, because she's, I guess, spent

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more time with the Enterprise family than she was able

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to with her original family. There's a lot of different

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nuances here, but I really agree with both of you

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about when you bring up a good point about similarity

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to Inner Light. It reminds me of, and I know

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it's an old Alan Moore comic that it's based on,

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but the Justice League Unlimited Episode 2, Season 1 for

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the man who has everything, where Superman goes with, he's

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caught by the Black Mercy and he goes through an

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entire life and he has to say goodbye to it.

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The fact that they got into how Pike is still

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haunted by that, that it's still a memory that he

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treasures and that it's love that he feels for his

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family there. But the ramifications of that, it was good

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to finally see him open up about that. I thought

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it was a bold move to make Dr. Chivers an

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actual member of the cast. That kind of surprised me.

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But we've talked so many times about the counselor having

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to be the busiest person on the ship because there's

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so much effed up stuff that is happening with these crewmates.

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And I think Deidre Hull, you know, obviously is a

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soap opera, you know.

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Icon?

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Soap opera Mount Rushmore, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Did an amazing job in this one. And I think

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if she wanted to be a regular cast member through

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the rest of the season, I mean, there's only one

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season left, then absolutely. I think there's a great place

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for her there.

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Yeah. I completely agree with you on that, Scott.

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Absolutely.

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I thought she was a great addition to this, and

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I hope they keep her going. I really do.

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I loved her character.

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I had to laugh, though, when he goes, oh, are

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we back in a musical? I bust out laughing at that.

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And the fact that they made that second line of

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the whole episode. Just get right into it.

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Yeah. I feel that, Pike. I feel it.

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What did you think about the extra additions at the

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end of the episode? I thought they were kind of funny.

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That was hysterical.

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You've got to wait a long time past those end credits.

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You do.

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You do. You know, what's funny is I didn't know

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they were there, so I just let it roll and

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roll and roll, and I was, like, typing my notes

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and stuff like that as they were finishing up. But

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they got to the end of the credits, and I

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was like, I already got my remote, and all of

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a sudden it came back. I was like, oh, wait,

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what's this? Yeah.

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I like the fact that when they focus on Pike,

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that he's like thrown off balance. Like, why am I

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spinning right now?

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What is this? Ridiculousness is what a lot of this

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episode was.

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Well, just like a soap opera.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, I guess, you know, it's, you're right, Scott,

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it's an episode that can be skipped. But, hey, if

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you know, it was fun. There were some fun bits

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to it. So, you know, I don't hate it. I'm

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glad they added it in here. All right. It's so-so.

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That's all we can pretty much say about it. All right. Well,

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we're going to have a dramatic close-up and pause for

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a while, and we'll be back after these short messages.

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We're now back on the bridge and ready to continue

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our discussion on this week's episode. Now that we've given

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our thoughts and opinions, let's take a look at the

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characters themselves. Which character do you think shines the most

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this week, David?

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I think I kind of already gave it away when

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I talked about Pike, because I felt like he clearly

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shined the most. Dealing with the loss of a daughter

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that he really didn't have, but in his mind he

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did have. Getting to experience her, you know, showing up.

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Even the moments with Ahura. when he kept putting it off,

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not going with the soap opera, when he found out

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what was going on with Trelawney. He kept denying to

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deal with Ahura and what the counselor was trying to

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get him to do. And then when he approached Ahura

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and said, you know what, let's cook. Why don't you

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come over, we'll do that recipe, but you're going to

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have to read it because I can't see it. Those

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kind of things. And then she's like, no, no, and

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then When she does, then he goes back and then

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his daughter from that episode was in there. And she

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leaves and Ahura comes back. And it's just very powerful

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there for Pike. But what really did for me to

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just send it over the top with him is what

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I talked about earlier. With that last session he had

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with the counselor, when he realized he just needed to

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let everything out. You know, to be honest with you,

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how many strong guys that are type A, that are

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in a leadership role, especially they have to deal with

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all of that, have an opportunity to finally realize, you

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know what? All this pressure I'm dealing with, it's time

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for me to just let it all out. And that's

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exactly what he did right there. And I felt, to me,

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that was the most human moment that I have seen

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Pike have in the entire series. It finally caught up

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to him, and... That right there made me love that

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character even more. And don't get me wrong, I love Pike.

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I love everybody on this crew. But as a leader,

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to show that raw emotion that we just saw there,

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it was perfect.

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I'd vote for Pike as well. Because it could have

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easily been something where he just shrugs it off and says,

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all right, more cosmic weirdness, we were just puppets and

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now we're in a soap opera, and kind of blow

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it off. But he sees through the layers of it

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and says... My crew is going through a lot. I'm

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going through more than anybody could probably be put through.

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I need to reconcile with that. Because the only way

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that I'm going to be able to be here for

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the others that have to work with those same kind

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of issues is to work on myself. So the fact that,

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you know, clearly he's uncomfortable. He scooted the chair several

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times with Dr. Chivers before finally talking. But that he

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not only opened up, he not only had the strength

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to break down and cry and let that out and

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let somebody into that. But he also said, like, Uhura,

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I don't want to let go of what's going on here.

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Let's still have that dinner. Let's still connect. It's important.

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And I think that's one of the things that makes

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him a great captain.

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Yeah, I agree with both of you. And you guys

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said it great. Pike was definitely the standout character here.

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on one side you got all the crazy soap opera

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stuff going on and Pike is our one grounded character.

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And this whole thing, he's the only one that sees how,

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how ridiculous everything really is. And he, he kind of

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becomes our connection to, to the real, you know, real

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Star Trek, you know, rather than ever going on with

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all the comedy and stuff. But yeah, the highlight is

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that the emotional side, just like I had mentioned with Picard,

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Even though that life, that reality that he experienced wasn't

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technically real, the feelings that Pike brought out of that

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are definitely real. And you can kind of see here,

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I'm glad they brought this up, how much that life

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meant to him. Anson Mount handled those moments so beautifully,

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and I really appreciate that they added this in there.

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He has to accept....

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That it wasn't real, that he'll never have that life.

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But in his head, he did. It's such a great

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bit of PTSD that Star Trek can do wonderfully when

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they do remember.

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To do it.

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And so I think out of this episode, that made

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Pike stand out above everybody else.

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When he said, I miss her, and he just started

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breaking down, dude, my heart broke. It did.

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Yeah. Especially because that her could apply to his daughter

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and Patel.

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Patel, yeah.

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Right? Maybe it means both at the same time. Yeah.

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And it adds so much more value to the gift

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that Patel gave him of being able to experience like,

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you know, we're never going to get to grow old

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together in this crisis moment. But then they do. And

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as painful as that is for that to be basically

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taken away It's something that still has. And I think

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it's a great addition to have his daughter there instead

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of Patel. The actress Anna Mirrodin that played Juliet did

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a great job. Aside from being completely plausible that she

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could be the daughter of Pike and Patel. Did a

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great job in a lot of emotional maturity in that moment.

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It seems like she's a teenager in that scenario. Like

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he said, I walked her down the aisle and the

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grill together, but a lot of emotional maturity for a,

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for a teenager to be able to say like, you know,

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it doesn't matter whether it was tangible in this reality

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or that you have any proof of like, here's a

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necklace from that time or anything else like that. The

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memories themselves have the emotional value because that's, that's the

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gift that Patel was giving him. All right.

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If you have any choice to be any character that

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appears in this episode, which one it would be and why.

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This is kind of a hard choice, but then I

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made it easier on myself by just saying Trillane. The

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guy who's running the show, who's pulling the strings and whatnot,

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aside from the fact that he'd be able to peek

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at the script notes and see what else is happening.

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I don't know how long I would last in the

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period piece get-up that seems kind of itchy as sort

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of the mutton chops, but it seems like he was

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having a lot of fun with it. I think Rice

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Darby did a good job in.

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That role Scott's looking at my notes clearly because I

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picked the same thing for the very same reason. He's

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the master of puppets in this episode as a producer

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and a director. And I thought it was so funny

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when he kept doing the commercial breaks and stuff like

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that because things weren't going the way he wanted it

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to go. I thought it was absolutely hysterical. But yeah,

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I don't want to be anybody in the soap opera.

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I want to be the guy controlling the soap opera.

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So that's who I'm going with.

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Oh, well. I really didn't want to be anybody, actually,

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to tell you the truth, but I chose Cybok, really,

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because I thought he'd be the most fun. of the

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characters in the episode. The whole thing is just absolutely ridiculous,

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that bit of it. So that is probably the most

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soap opera-y part of the entire episode. And, you know,

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Ethan Peck's having a wonderful job. He's having a great time.

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He gets to flirt with Juan. He's mysterious. He's dramatic.

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It's just I don't know. The tension between the two

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of them were fantastic. It just looked like it'd be

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a lot of fun.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Now comes the section where we dive deep into the

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episode and see if we can't pull out any Easter eggs.

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You had to kind of dive a little deep for

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some of these. But you two, did you find any

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Easter eggs? Want to start first?

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No.

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I'll let you handle this one, Wayne.

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Really? Well, the only ones that stuck out to me,

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the ones that made me chuckle, were the... I don't

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know what the sound effect... uh, is called other than

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the Trillian ping, whenever he would blink, uh, Pike back

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into the, um, Oh yeah. Back into this thing.

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Yeah.

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Um, that took me back to original series, um, vibes there.

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And then just in the, in the cyborg, I'm glad

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