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Sept. 16, 2026

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E8 | Orders of Magnitude

Phasers Set To Stun: Strange New Worlds S4. E8 | Orders of Magnitude
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Space, the final frontier. Join us for a bold conversation.

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Our prime directive, to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old. To engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize. With phasers set to stun.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun,

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where we continue to show our love for everything Star

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Trek in this ongoing series from a film by a

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podcast that explores the expanding Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, merchandise,

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and so much more. Plotting your course, as always, is

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your core Trek crew. I'm Scott Hoffman.

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I'm David Burns.

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And I'm Wayne Whited.

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And I'm really excited to talk with you two about

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the latest episode, Orders of Magnitude, directed by Sherrod Lewis

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and written by Ellen B. McElroy and Onitra Johnson. Since

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this is fresh Trek with Strange New Worlds, we're calling

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for a red alert on spoilers. So if you haven't

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seen the latest episodes, just pause us for a little

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bit while you get caught up. Wayne, why don't you

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tell us what this episode is all about?

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The Enterprise is commandeered by Admiral Simon Rieger, a decorated

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Starfleet war hero, to pursue a mysterious cloaked alien vessel

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responsible for a devastating attack on a Federation colony. With

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Captain Pike and several senior officers away on a distress mission,

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Lieutenant Commander James Kirk is unexpectedly placed in the position

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of acting first officer, only to discover that Rieger's pursuit

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is becoming increasingly personal and extreme. When the alien ship

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disappears into the atmosphere of a populated planet, Rieger invokes

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General Order 24, ordering the destruction of every living thing

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on the planet to ensure the enemy is eliminated. Kirk

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refuses to stand by, uncovering the truth behind Rieger's obsession

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and the Admiral's connection to Kirk's father, while Pike and

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his away team face their own dangerous encounter with Andorian smugglers.

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I feel like this is a Trek episode that absolutely

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stands out in this season, um, I think it's another

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episode that obviously goes, Trek Admiral's a bad name.

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Yeah.

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But overall, I think this could be considered one of

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the best of the franchise. Dave, I hope you agree,

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but what are your thoughts on this?

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No, I completely agree with you, Scott. To me, this

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is the best episode of the season. This is Star

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Trek at its finest right here. When I go back

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to look at other Star Trek shows and look at

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those episodes, I remember so many episodes that just stand out.

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So when I look at this season of Stranger Worlds,

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this one's going to be the one that stands out.

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I feel like even though we've seen a lot of Kirk,

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and Wayne, I know you made that note this year

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that you hoped we were going to see him, a

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lot of him, but this one needed Kirk for obvious

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reasons because of his dad and those kind of things.

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But I feel like that this is the birth of

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the Kirk that we know. This is where it's launching

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him to become that captain because the decisions he makes

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in this And, you know, Paul Wesley, we've always said

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he's done a phenomenal job as Kirk. He would be

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on that level in this episode as Kirk. And I

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would love to see more of him. And I'm talking

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after Stranger Worlds, but I don't think we're going to

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get that, unfortunately. But I just think he was brilliant

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in this. I thought the whole episode was brilliant. I

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thought Joe Morton, even though the whole bad Admiral thing

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in Star Trek just keeps creeping back in, I swear.

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Yeah.

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But Joe Morton was fantastic as Admiral Raker. The scene

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where you find out that he got drugged, and he

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just blows up on the bridge and gets removed from command.

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I just thought that whole sequence right there was phenomenal.

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How he kept punching Kirk, and I was like, holy crap, man,

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this is getting seriously intense. But that whole sequence was phenomenal. Overall,

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absolutely loved this episode, Scott.

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I feel like it had a lot of Crimson Tide.

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vibes in that particular scene. Wayne, what are your thoughts

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on it?

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was a really tense but incredibly well done episode. It

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had me entertained all the way from beginning to end, really.

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And I think a lot of it, because you're right,

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I did say that I was hoping that we didn't

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see very much of Kirk, but this episode needed to

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be made. A lot of what this episode came down

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to Paul Wesley and Jim Worden, which they're both fantastic

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in this episode. I love it. The bad Admiral can

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tend to be overdone in Star Trek, but he did

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such a great job at it. It really didn't feel

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like the usual trope that you get with most of

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Star Trek. I think it's probably the best part of

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the episode, but I really liked the stuff that happened

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on the planet with Ike and his group. because of

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Yohura's story. I mean, I'm glad that she got such

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a strong part, strong thing here in this episode, and

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I loved every minute of that. You know, she'd step up.

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She rescued the landing party, and that was really impressive

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what she did. That's the Yohura we always wanted to see,

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and as usual, Celia Rose Gooding is just doing a

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fantastic job playing Yohura. I cannot praise her enough. of

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what she's done on this. But this is, I love

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the episode. It felt like classic Star Trek to me.

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Put a pin in that part. I want to go

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back to that. I love the planet.

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Okay. I feel like this is kind of a thesis

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statement for why we should continue with this crew in

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kind of the original series. And I know that it's,

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I don't know if it's absolute that it won't happen.

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I'm sure it's probably likely it won't happen. It is

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a crime that it won't. happen because they have such

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a strong template here for the franchise to continue.

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I agree.

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Um, yeah, but I mean, it makes a great case

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for it because I, I think they're all gelling together

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really well. Um, I have a question that might be

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a dumb question. It might be obvious, but the, the

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alien cloaked ship that they're talking about, is it Romulan? Yes.

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And it's basically setting up the balance of terror kind

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of episode.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yep. Because he has that very pointed thing when he

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says the blood, the terror that's coming around is on

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your hands. So it's interesting that we have this Kirk

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facing that kind of decision. And now we have a

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little bit more background as to what he must have

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been struggling with on the bridge when he went through that.

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Assuming that the canon we see here is actual canon.

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Right.

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Which would be really smart to see continue. And yeah,

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I think the side mission, another cave adventure.

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We love our cave adventures.

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We do.

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I love that we get a little bit of bar

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table banter between Ortegas and Lon talking about that. But

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I think that mission itself could have been a standalone episode.

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I think it works really, really well as a plot

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device here, and it seems like it helps to contain

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separate stories in one, which gets at it efficiently. But yeah,

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I thought that that particular side mission was done really,

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really well because we got a villain with, uh, tour

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the Andorian and his army, um, who was, was very

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laser focused and was seeing through all the negotiations. Um,

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I thought that was really cleverly written, um, and did

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its own amazing job at keeping that tension going on

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both sides of the, um, both on the ship and

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in the cave.

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So I'm gonna go back to my pen. On the

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cave thing. Yeah. So as much as I love this episode,

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I have a few problems with it. One is it

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felt too easy that they were writing Pike and the

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crew off so that Kirk could get on that ship and,

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you know, make sure that he was part of that story.

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That was just a very convenient way of doing it.

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The other part that I really struggle with is Pike

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is smarter than falling into that trap. Yeah. I struggle

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with him falling into that. It's just, come on, Pike

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is too smart for something like that. And on top

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of that, so they can't communicate to the Enterprise, but

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they can do an SOS. They can send a signal

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out that the Andorians wanted to do. Okay, that doesn't

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make a lot of sense. My other problem with this episode,

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I hate to feel like I'm tearing this episode apart.

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I didn't think of that.

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Although they did say it was a faint SOS.

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They did, but still. Why oh why did you give

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us the Asha character just to write her off like this?

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Oh, there.

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I'm glad you brought that up. I forgot all about that.

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That was so dumb. The only thing, the only thing

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that I can see it is it was part of

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a device to push Ohora to get her promotion that

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she gets at the end of this episode. Because it

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was kind of like Even though she didn't get Asha

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to do what she was supposed to because she was

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training under her, I still felt like that was the

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waste of all of our time.

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Yeah, if that was their intention and it didn't come

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across like that, it was too vague. The character hardly

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really appeared and didn't hardly do anything. It seemed like

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it was a waste. It was a waste of a character.

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I was expecting a lot more to come off of

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that than just what we got. It just seems like

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so pointless to have that character exist in the first place.

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And really, I mean... What was the purpose? What did

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she do? Nothing, really. Nothing at all. That it could

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have at least, you know, did something with her in

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one episode that more, you know, made a storyline about

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her or something. But, yeah, I forgot. She was so unmemorable,

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I completely forgot about her.

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In this episode. I know. She really is. I feel

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like I'm picking the episode apart, but I'm not. You know,

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these are just minor things. They really, really are. This

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episode is phenomenal. Maybe they've got something that she's still

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going to do in Episode 9 and 10 of this season.

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We haven't seen it yet. I don't know. But I

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feel like the way this ended, she's like, oh, see

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you later.

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Yeah, it did sound like an ending.

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I feel like it's entirely possible that if there had

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been more seasons, they may have kind of drawn it out.

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As we're talking about it, it feels like she's less

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of a character and more of a plot device for

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Ohura's growth. That she was kind of a Kobayashi Maru

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management To be like, this is something that Uhura is

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going to struggle with. It's someone who you're going to

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try to connect with. You're not going to be able to.

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You're going to try to give her guidance. She's not

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going to take it. You're going to see potential in her,

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but it's not going to go anywhere. So kind of

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an intentionally frustrating no-win situation for Uhura. And her having

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to kind of wrestle with that at the end. I

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think she... Uhura comes out with flying colors, obviously, to

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save her life for the rest of the crew, to

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take some big risks. But also just to go above

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and beyond to try to connect, to try to reach her,

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and for Asha to basically say, like, well, you just won't.

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And it's not a failing. It's not something that, like,

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it was Uhura's failing that she didn't stay with Starfleet.

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It's just that she didn't want to, and that's okay. So... Yeah,

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I mean, it feels odd that we had all this

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set up just to have it go nowhere. I feel

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like it was also to try to get us to

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empathize with Ahura, to say, like, really? After all that,

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it goes nowhere?

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Let me add this to what you said, too. From

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what I understand from the interviews and stuff, that, you know, about,

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you know, possibly maybe they were going to do something

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more with her character if the series had continued. At

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this point in filming, they did not know they'd been

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canceled yet. They did not know until after they finished

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filming the end of this season before they knew that.

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So this must have been their intention for that character.

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You're right. Unless David, she returns in the next couple

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of episodes. I don't know. Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to get on a tangent, but

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it's just... Sorry. I just started liking her character a

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tiny bit, if I remember correctly, in the last episode.

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They do this, and I'm like, really? Come on!

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We know what we'll do. We'll get Dave angry.

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If they would have killed her off, I think it

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would have been better for her character. If she would

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have died from that injury, at least that would have

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been a more respectable ending for that character than her

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surviving and then just walking off.

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I still would have been pissed.

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Yeah, but at least she had some purpose there in

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the episode. She did something, you know, she died, but that,

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you know.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I think then Ohura would have been crushed in

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a moment when she was supposed to, you know, feel

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like proud of what she had done and kind of

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turn the corner. This one is just kind of like disappointment.

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Hey, at least we know now where Membinga's going.

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Yeah.

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We got that answer. And that was a great turn.

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I feel like there's... a courtroom episode that would have,

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that would have come around. Maybe it's going to be

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a next season, but yeah, that was a really interesting twist.

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It was.

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And I love Christine's reaction to that. Like, this is

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what you're going to do. You're going to kind of quiet,

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quit and let yourself be ruined. Um, but kudos to

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Mbenga for, for doing that. I mean, it feels similar

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to what he had done with, uh, It sparked a

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memory of what he did with the Klingon ambassador, how

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he had kind of kept that secret for a while

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as well.

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Well, I mean, even Pike saved Mimbinga, remember? So Mimbinga's

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kind of returning the favor, even though it's not to Pike,

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it's to Kirk, you know? Because he sees the potential

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in Kirk. He knows, you know, well, obviously what George

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Kirk went through, you know, and he was there to

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live that and see that. So I guess he felt

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that he owed that It makes me appreciate men being

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so much more. I mean, I've always loved his character.

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He's been fantastic throughout this series. But just the decisions

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he makes and they write for him are just really

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well done.

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They are.

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And when he does leave the ship, it's going to

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be heartbreaking.

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But he comes back. Remember, he's in the original series.

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He has to serve under Kirk. He's keeping that secret

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and everything, but he serves under Kirk. But he can't

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be the chief medical officer. I find that actually rather

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interesting how he ends up in that. I don't know

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if they'll explore that with the remaining episodes, but I'd

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like to see, you know, I know where we're at.

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I'm glad they did. We did predict that they would

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end his story by the end of the season rather

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than continue it next season. I'm glad they did that.

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I did find it humorous when Kirk shot Leon saying, hey,

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you stabbed Mitch.

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Yeah.

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I like that.

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Getting back at her. There you go. Yeah.

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Well, and there was also some surprising phaser fire on

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the bridge when she shoots the Admiral Rieger.

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Yeah, that surprised me.

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It was the right thing to do, but he had

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that really sinister chuckle of determination when he was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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He was treading toward that console. But yeah, kind of surprising.

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I like how they hid the fact that Kirk drugged him.

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We didn't know. You know? Until it came out towards

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the end. I mean, when you look back at the

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episode now, you kind of see why they kept hinting

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to the coffee and stuff like that. So now that

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kind of makes sense. But the fact that when they

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were mentioning he got drugged, what? Who's making that crap up?

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And then it did come out. Wait a minute. Holy crap,

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he did!

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Yeah.

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When they first mentioned the cordrazine, I kind of felt

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like I could have looked at the camera and just

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paused temporarily and then keep going. Because I was like, yeah.

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That's going to come back later, right? But no, it

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was a really interesting use of that character. And I

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think there was so much kind of, clearly there was

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something wrong with Rieger from the beginning. But I feel

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like they pulled that mystery along just enough to make

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it like, is he or isn't he? Is it because

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he's just ruthless or is he actually unstable? And I

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think that was a great use of that storyline.

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Go ahead. No, it's just the whole story of that cover-up. That,

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you know, he just became a legend so quick that

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there was really nothing they could do about it. And

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they kind of just swept George under the rug, basically,

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you know? And then it really broke your heart, too, when, like,

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Jim and Sam were talking about how every time he

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wanted to go home to be with his family, Rieger

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would have another mission for him, and he wouldn't let him. Like,

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that's just, like, dude. Yeah. you're an ass. Yeah.

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That's kind of similar. What I was just going to say,

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you know, I really liked the discussions between Sam and, and,

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and Kirk, um, about their father. That's a character we

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don't really know much about. Um, and you can't count the, the, uh, uh,

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2009 Star Trek series. That was a completely different, you know,

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universe stuff like there, but, um, I, I love their

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scenes together. I really do. I, I, you know, I

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had said, I hope we don't see much more of Kirk,

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but now I'm, I'm kind of changing my, uh, My

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thought on that, I'd like to see a little bit

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more of him, and I hope we see a lot

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more of him next season, and those two together, because

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I like their interactions.

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Well, we saw, how many times in the original Star

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Trek series did we see Kirk bluff?

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Quite a lot. That's his thing.

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And here he did it again. He does it. Actually,

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I guess for the first time, really, if you want

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to look at the timeline, he bluffed Rieger, that he

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had done something to the phasers and stuff like that,

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and they use them, you know, So he's a master

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of bluffing. He used that so many times when he's

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the captain of the Enterprise. So I just loved that

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that's what he did here. And it is his character.

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That is James Kirk right there. Yeah.

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And showing so much resolve, too, like in that kind

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of Crimson Tide-ish scene. He was not backing down at all.

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Yep.

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All right. Well, let's take a quick break. When we

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come back, I'm sure we'll have a lot more to

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say about this week's episode. Okay, welcome back. Let's talk

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a little bit more about Orders of Magnitude. I want

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to go back just a sec to talk about Sam

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and how important that character is becoming. I think it's

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interesting to dive into Kirk's family, but also kind of

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the background and what makes him who he is. And

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I think getting perspective from Sam on their father and

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on Jim himself is a great way to build this character.

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So if it's not going to go anywhere, I think

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it's a Damn shame, because I would love to see

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the news, the news series, whatever it'd be with, uh,

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Paul Wesley on the bridge and his brother, Sam continuing

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to have that kind of relationship, at least for a

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little while.

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Yeah. I mean, I'd like to see that too, but

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it does seem that every week the past comes least

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less and less likely, but, but I, you know, it's

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still a little bit too early. Paramount can still announce

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this over the next year before I would say they

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would have to announce it before the next season premieres. But,

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I just, I don't know. We, nobody knows what Paramount's

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doing right now. I wish we did, but you know

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what their plans are for television.

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So who knows?

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Yeah. Hopefully he doesn't go on ice for a little while.

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That's what I'm worried about.

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That's what I'm worried about too.

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Yep.

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Kind of, you know, all of sci-fi seems to be

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blinking out for a while.

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I don't like that.

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Me neither.

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Me neither.

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That's not good. I wanted to take just a minute

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to talk about Ortegas as well. So as we think

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about that balance of terror, Kind of episode. And we

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had seen her kind of lean into the side of, no,

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we have to go get this cloaked ship. We have

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to chase them down. We have to destroy them. And

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Pike didn't want to. He wanted to take more of

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a diplomatic approach. It felt like in some of the

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earlier scenes, we were starting to get that side of

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her take us again. Although this time it seemed to

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be more like she saw this admiral as a veteran

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war hero. something that she idolized and having some excitement

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about this admiral seeing a lot of potential in her

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in kind of moving forward with the mission. But it

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also felt like there was a little bit of kind

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of a dark side from her wanting to lean into

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what they had done until the end when she was like,

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are we really doing this? It almost seemed like she

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was echoing what Scotty had said, like, he's just bluffing, right?

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We're not going to kill all these people. What are

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your thoughts on that?

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No, I'm with you on that 100%. I really liked

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her character in this episode, but I see that line

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that she's writing there, but she could go either way here.

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Pike has done so much with her and everybody on

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this crew and have further advanced their development. And she's

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one of them, right? Because she was struggling there for

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a while. And even Una has been involved with her getting...

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you know, more into that position where she doesn't go

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crazy on somebody for crying out loud and just wants

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to take risks. You know, she could go either way here.

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I mean, if she was under Rieger, she would do

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what he would want. There's no doubt in my mind because,

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you know, she got caught up in this episode, like

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a lot of them did, of seeing this living legend

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on this ship. You could see it in her face,

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her smile, everything. She was just eating it up. And,

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you know, she was willing to do it.

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But you're right.

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It was almost like that. We aren't really going to

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do this, are we? You know, so, I mean, I

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don't know. She could go either way here, Scott. She

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really could. I'd like to see she's grown so much.

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But everybody, you know, you're even Spock, you know, you're

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being commanded by an admiral. You got to listen to him, right?

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Unless you have the definitive reason to remove them. You know,

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I'll get on another. I don't get another tangent, but

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I want to mention something later. But go ahead.

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Yeah.

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But I agree with you, Scott. I don't know about Wayne,

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but I do.

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No, no, I agree, too. I mean, it's she was

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suffering from hero worship. And what's it saying? You know,

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don't meet your heroes because, you know, he was so

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celebrated in Starfleet that I think they would have followed

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him to hell and back. But he started doubting, you know,

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everybody else around her is starting to doubt it. You know, fortunately, fortunately,

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they've been trained better by by Pike, I guess, that

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there's some ethical dilemma in their head to say, well,

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we can't follow him that far.

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Dave, you've got me curious. What's your offering?

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So the only thing I wanted to mention, it's kind

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of strange. I don't know if you guys caught this

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or not. The first time that Rieger was reprimanding Kirk

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on the bridge, when he kind of questioned him, did

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you see that smirk Spock had on his face? Did

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anybody catch that? No. When he went to sit down,

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he had like a smirk on his face like he

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was enjoying that. I don't know if it was just

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maybe the way he was just... I don't know. It

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was kind of funny. Was Spock really smirking at that?

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00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:15.329
I'll have to check that out again.

468
00:24:15.349 --> 00:24:16.680
Go back and watch that. Go back and watch it.

469
00:24:16.849 --> 00:24:17.789
Because he does.

470
00:24:19.630 --> 00:24:23.730
Did he have a ponytail? Was that really Cyborg? He

471
00:24:23.750 --> 00:24:29.319
just snuck right in here from the soap opera universe. Right, right. Well,

472
00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:33.779
let's get into one of our typical Trek tracks. Let's

473
00:24:33.819 --> 00:24:37.420
talk about which one of the crew members shine the most.

474
00:24:38.180 --> 00:24:39.980
I'm pretty sure I know what we're all going to say,

475
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:41.740
but Wayne, why don't you go ahead and start us off?

476
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:45.940
Oh, I'm going to say Kirk. He edged everybody out

477
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.319
a little bit. He really shines. You know, he was

478
00:24:49.339 --> 00:24:52.299
thrown in the deep end and acting as the first officer.

479
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.500
I just like seeing him handle that pressure because he's

480
00:24:55.539 --> 00:24:57.250
becoming more and more like the Kirk.

481
00:24:57.089 --> 00:24:57.529
That we need.

482
00:24:57.980 --> 00:25:00.819
Are very, very familiar with. You know, he just doesn't

483
00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:05.759
blindly follow orders, especially when the Admiral does what he did,

484
00:25:05.900 --> 00:25:09.970
but he's, he's got, he's got morals. He's got courage and,

485
00:25:10.369 --> 00:25:12.509
you know, to stand up against someone where everybody else

486
00:25:12.529 --> 00:25:13.609
is just blindly following.

487
00:25:13.630 --> 00:25:14.369
I like that.

488
00:25:15.589 --> 00:25:18.210
You know, he, he shined, you heard him shine too,

489
00:25:18.289 --> 00:25:21.109
but Kirk, yeah, this was his, this is his episode.

490
00:25:21.940 --> 00:25:22.460
Dave, what about you?

491
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.359
Yeah, I mean, I think we're all going to agree

492
00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:26.930
on this. I mean, I don't know. You may throw

493
00:25:26.950 --> 00:25:28.549
a for a loop here.

494
00:25:28.589 --> 00:25:29.049
Throw a Dayton?

495
00:25:29.289 --> 00:25:32.089
Yeah, throw a Dayton, right. But, no, Kirk absolutely shined

496
00:25:32.109 --> 00:25:34.430
in this episode. Again, Paul Wesley is doing a phenomenal

497
00:25:34.470 --> 00:25:38.670
job as fleshing out Kirk before he becomes the captain

498
00:25:38.710 --> 00:25:43.660
that we know. But seeing him, the captain we know

499
00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:45.779
he's going to become, getting to see him doing the

500
00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:48.299
trickery that he does and the bluffing that he does,

501
00:25:48.819 --> 00:25:51.160
You know, shows what a leader that he is and

502
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.640
which is why he will always be my favorite captain.

503
00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:57.759
He really will be. You know, if it came down,

504
00:25:57.779 --> 00:25:59.799
I think we might have talked about this question down,

505
00:25:59.859 --> 00:26:02.160
you know, if it became between Picard and Kirk, which

506
00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:04.680
one would you go with? I'd go with Kirk. You know,

507
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.940
but it's just he proves it here to me that

508
00:26:08.059 --> 00:26:10.460
he is going to be a captain. And I believe

509
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.299
he was the youngest captain, wasn't he, in Starfleet to

510
00:26:13.339 --> 00:26:13.829
get promoted.

511
00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:15.609
Is that right? Yeah, that's correct.

512
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:16.140
Yeah. Okay. Okay.

513
00:26:16.460 --> 00:26:18.630
So you can see it. You can see why, because

514
00:26:18.829 --> 00:26:21.630
he already has that leadership skill, even though he's questioning

515
00:26:21.650 --> 00:26:24.710
an admiral, which he should, for crying out loud. But

516
00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:26.750
I also love the fact that he was just digging

517
00:26:26.950 --> 00:26:29.569
into some things that, you know, he kind of blamed

518
00:26:29.609 --> 00:26:31.829
his father for, but then started digging into when he

519
00:26:31.849 --> 00:26:36.269
started learning the mystery that was going on of what

520
00:26:36.309 --> 00:26:39.829
really did happen on the Constitution. And I love that

521
00:26:39.869 --> 00:26:43.210
he went and uncovered that and found out, got the

522
00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:46.009
answer that he wanted. So, yeah, absolutely, Kirk.

523
00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:53.329
Scott? No, I'm going to say Asha. She really took

524
00:26:53.369 --> 00:27:01.400
that shard like a champ. No, it's definitely Kirk. Another

525
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.640
kind of aspect of that that really stood out to

526
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:09.559
me was that he didn't just barrel through and do

527
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:13.150
what he thought was right because he wanted to be sure.

528
00:27:13.930 --> 00:27:16.210
And you can see him test that with Scotty. You

529
00:27:16.230 --> 00:27:18.450
can see him test that with Mbenga. You can see

530
00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:22.740
him test that with, um, Laan as he's walking down

531
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.579
the hallway. And it seems like we get another, um,

532
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:31.119
shade of Kirk, um, emulating, I think what we see

533
00:27:31.180 --> 00:27:33.940
from Pike and the keys like, but I need my

534
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:36.779
crew to be on board because if it's just me,

535
00:27:36.819 --> 00:27:40.220
this doesn't work. And if it's not, if it's just me,

536
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:43.049
then I don't know if I'm right. Yeah. So the

537
00:27:43.089 --> 00:27:46.750
fact that he was weighing his options and weighing perspectives

538
00:27:46.809 --> 00:27:50.779
from others and genuinely trying his best not to get

539
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:53.240
into a situation where he would have to compromise the

540
00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:56.019
Admiral or go to any kind of extreme. He was

541
00:27:56.220 --> 00:28:00.700
trying to just get him to see clearly what was happening.

542
00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:05.160
I think if there is some kind of trial, it'll

543
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:11.890
be interesting to see Rieger tried for what had happened

544
00:28:11.930 --> 00:28:14.089
to him. even though he could say that because of

545
00:28:14.130 --> 00:28:16.890
the courtesies and he was compromised and all this other

546
00:28:16.910 --> 00:28:21.269
kind of stuff, but still his underlying drive for what

547
00:28:21.309 --> 00:28:26.099
he was doing was the same. So, yeah, I've got

548
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.279
to give it to Kirk. Yeah. Well, David, if you

549
00:28:29.299 --> 00:28:31.960
could be anyone in this episode, this might be tougher,

550
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:33.319
who would it be?

551
00:28:34.299 --> 00:28:36.160
No, actually, you kind of touched base on the character

552
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.740
that I would want to be, and it's Erica. You know,

553
00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:41.599
she's having the time of her life seeing a living legend.

554
00:28:42.390 --> 00:28:45.289
in Admiral Rieger, but, you know, she was complimented by him.

555
00:28:45.309 --> 00:28:48.609
You could just see the giddiness in her when, you know,

556
00:28:48.710 --> 00:28:53.490
she would compliment her on her piloting skills and those

557
00:28:53.529 --> 00:28:55.329
kind of things, and just seeing that joy on her

558
00:28:55.390 --> 00:28:59.170
face as she was getting to experience that. I mean,

559
00:28:59.529 --> 00:29:01.950
she's living in the moment, right? She loves to be

560
00:29:01.970 --> 00:29:05.039
a pilot. She's obsessed with being a pilot, and she's

561
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.380
getting to live out everything that she would hope to

562
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.220
be able to do, and she gets to do it

563
00:29:09.259 --> 00:29:11.819
with a living legend, even though she learns a living

564
00:29:11.900 --> 00:29:15.480
legend's a piece of crap, but, you know, I still feel,

565
00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:18.500
you know, in that moment before all that, you could

566
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.559
just see the joy in her eyes, so it would

567
00:29:20.579 --> 00:29:21.019
be Erica.

568
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:22.480
Wayne, what about you?

569
00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:26.569
Well, I thought about choosing her or one of the others, but,

570
00:29:26.809 --> 00:29:28.109
you know, because they look like they're having a lot

571
00:29:28.130 --> 00:29:31.730
of fun, but then they're also betrayed and very disappointed

572
00:29:31.750 --> 00:29:33.990
at the end, so I think I'm just going to

573
00:29:34.029 --> 00:29:37.809
settle and choose Kirk. He looked like he'd be the

574
00:29:37.849 --> 00:29:41.289
most fun in this episode, you know, he got to

575
00:29:41.309 --> 00:29:44.470
be the first officer of the Enterprise, you know, and

576
00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:47.390
right in the middle of this big crisis, he got

577
00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:50.880
to deal with a pretty intense admiral, you know, and

578
00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:52.920
figured out what the heck was going on with him.

579
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.839
It's classic Kirk. He had to make a tough decision.

580
00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.339
He stood up for what he believed is right. Got

581
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.799
to command the Enterprise. Yeah, I think that'd be pretty

582
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.839
hard to pass up. I chose him.

583
00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:07.240
Even with the radiation?

584
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.480
I was going to say the radioactive sauna.

585
00:30:09.740 --> 00:30:11.920
Yeah, I mean, he got pretty beaten up, too. But,

586
00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:14.480
you know, heck, he'll heal. We all know he survives.

587
00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:19.299
Typical Kirk, right? Getting beat up. Yeah. Scott, what about you?

588
00:30:19.339 --> 00:30:22.019
Well, speaking of a Kirk, I was going to choose

589
00:30:22.059 --> 00:30:26.309
Sam Kirk, even though he gets clocked by Jim. Um,

590
00:30:26.589 --> 00:30:29.220
he had some bonding time with his brother. Um, and I,

591
00:30:29.329 --> 00:30:31.309
I just loved those scenes. I think that the two

592
00:30:31.369 --> 00:30:34.289
actors have a lot of chemistry together. Um, we also

593
00:30:34.309 --> 00:30:37.410
get to look at Sam's xenobiology lab, uh, which looks

594
00:30:37.450 --> 00:30:41.259
like a fascinating place to tinker around. Um, even though

595
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.119
as he was working on things and he's like, yeah,

596
00:30:43.180 --> 00:30:46.000
there's a skull right here for no apparent reason. Um,

597
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.019
but it looks like a fun place to be. All right,

598
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.480
we'll dive into Easter eggs. Um, and there was one, um,

599
00:30:54.049 --> 00:30:56.609
one important one that really just like stabbed me in

600
00:30:56.630 --> 00:30:59.109
the heart. Uh, it was a great piece of writing.

601
00:30:59.150 --> 00:31:01.509
It's something that was going through my head the entire

602
00:31:01.549 --> 00:31:04.450
time they were in the cave. Uh, but the reference

603
00:31:04.490 --> 00:31:09.970
to hammer, uh, when they gave her the commendation, um,

604
00:31:10.910 --> 00:31:13.230
that was, that was a little bit of a heartbreaking

605
00:31:13.269 --> 00:31:15.190
little nugget, but I'm glad that they put it in.

606
00:31:15.410 --> 00:31:16.789
I totally agree. He would have been proud of her.

607
00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:20.880
Yeah. I agree. I agree. Only one I got was

608
00:31:20.940 --> 00:31:24.299
the cortisone is the drug that McCoy accidentally doses himself

609
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.500
with in the City of the Edge of Forever. That's

610
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:29.180
the only one I've got. So, Wayne, what about you?

611
00:31:30.220 --> 00:31:32.519
Well, I think the biggest Easter egg of the episode

612
00:31:32.769 --> 00:31:36.410
that we were hinting about was the unknown and unidentified

613
00:31:36.430 --> 00:31:40.089
enemy ship that we were chasing. We mentioned it earlier.

614
00:31:40.470 --> 00:31:42.809
It is quite obviously that's Romulan, and these are my

615
00:31:42.849 --> 00:31:45.640
reasons for saying this. According to the map that was

616
00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:47.500
shown in the episode, the ship is heading in the

617
00:31:47.539 --> 00:31:51.180
direction of the Romulan neutral zone. And also, Rieger mentions

618
00:31:51.220 --> 00:31:53.720
that the ship can be tracked by gamma ray emissions.

619
00:31:54.380 --> 00:31:57.200
And it was established in the Star Trek Enterprise episode,

620
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:02.240
Mind Field, that Romulan technology can be tracked that way. So, yeah,

621
00:32:02.380 --> 00:32:05.680
without a doubt, that's Romulan. Another ship that gets mentioned

622
00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:10.230
a lot is the USS Constitution. We've never seen this ship.

623
00:32:10.670 --> 00:32:12.150
To this day, we still haven't seen it yet. But

624
00:32:12.190 --> 00:32:15.660
the Constitution was the prototype ship for its new class,

625
00:32:15.769 --> 00:32:22.509
Registry ENCC-1700. That's where the Constitution-class starship design gets its name,

626
00:32:22.589 --> 00:32:27.349
which that's what the Enterprise is. Now, one other thing

627
00:32:27.369 --> 00:32:30.660
that was mentioned, too, in this episode is the Alterans, which,

628
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:33.480
number one, states that mine the caves that they were in.

629
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:36.440
The planet Altair and its inhabitants have been mentioned many

630
00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:39.880
times in Star Trek, including the original series episodes of

631
00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:43.049
Mock Time and Wolf in the Fold. The movie Star

632
00:32:43.069 --> 00:32:45.990
Trek II, The Wrath of Khan, Deep Space Nine's Profit Motive,

633
00:32:46.130 --> 00:32:49.809
and Starfleet Academy's 300th Hour, and Rubicon, just to name

634
00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:53.750
a few. It's also the planet where Commander Riker got

635
00:32:53.789 --> 00:32:56.369
his blemish on his record for refusing to allow the

636
00:32:56.410 --> 00:32:58.789
captain of the USS Hood to beam down, to which

637
00:32:59.269 --> 00:33:03.430
Captain Picard mentions that in Encounter at Farpoint. Now, General

638
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.680
Order 24, which is an order to destroy all life

639
00:33:06.859 --> 00:33:10.299
on an entire planet, has been given twice before in

640
00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:14.240
Star Trek. once by Captain Garth in the original series episode,

641
00:33:14.299 --> 00:33:17.839
Whom's Gods Destroy, and then again by Captain Kirk in

642
00:33:17.859 --> 00:33:21.720
the episode, A Taste of Armageddon. And fortunately, including this one,

643
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.019
none of those three officers were able to carry out

644
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.849
that order. How many remember where Lon got that watch

645
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.809
she was wearing? That was given to her by Pellia

646
00:33:32.170 --> 00:33:34.750
in the 21st century, back in the second season episode,

647
00:33:34.789 --> 00:33:39.759
Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow. Now, Admiral Rieger-Kirchner, Oh, excuse me.

648
00:33:39.819 --> 00:33:42.900
Admiral Regan orders for this phaser power to be routed

649
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.829
through the warp core. At this time in Star Trek,

650
00:33:45.849 --> 00:33:48.589
this is not something that was normally done. But when

651
00:33:48.609 --> 00:33:51.470
the Enterprise gets its refit in Star Trek The Motion Picture,

652
00:33:52.029 --> 00:33:54.910
that was implemented as a regular system process. If you

653
00:33:54.930 --> 00:33:57.450
remember that film, Admiral Kirk orders the use of the

654
00:33:57.509 --> 00:34:00.210
phasers when they were trapped in that wormhole, but Denker

655
00:34:00.259 --> 00:34:03.160
countermands the order and later explains that the phasers were

656
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.559
offline because they used power from the engines. All later

657
00:34:06.579 --> 00:34:10.730
starships would use that type of phaser system. Now, Yuhura

658
00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:14.650
talks to the Andorians about the Ushan, and she thinks

659
00:34:14.690 --> 00:34:17.650
that it's the Andorian word for honor, but it's actually

660
00:34:17.710 --> 00:34:20.829
a code of honor demanding a duel to the death.

661
00:34:21.469 --> 00:34:24.610
The Ushan was first introduced in the Star Trek Enterprise

662
00:34:24.699 --> 00:34:29.440
episode United, where Captain Archer fought Commander Shran, which resulted

663
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.780
in Shran losing one of his antennas. And then finally,

664
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.320
I want to bring up actor Joe Morton, who played

665
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:38.400
Admiral Rieger in this episode. He's never appeared in any

666
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:41.460
other Star Trek episode before, but he does have connections

667
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:45.219
to the franchise. He narrated the audio version of Pocketbook's

668
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.519
Star Trek Deep Space Nine novel, Millennium, The Fall of

669
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.519
Tarek Noor, as well as their line of the Star

670
00:34:51.579 --> 00:34:52.920
Trek New Frontier novels.

671
00:34:54.449 --> 00:34:57.670
Well, I always, whenever I saw him, I always think

672
00:34:57.690 --> 00:35:02.050
of him as Miles Benedicin. In here.

673
00:35:02.469 --> 00:35:02.730
Yes.

674
00:35:03.869 --> 00:35:06.739
But no, glad he had that history with it. Well,

675
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.519
only two episodes left this season, right?

676
00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:15.250
You know, this episode wasn't a gimmick episode, I don't think.

677
00:35:15.610 --> 00:35:15.809
No.

678
00:35:15.829 --> 00:35:16.570
Was it?

679
00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:16.989
No.

680
00:35:17.230 --> 00:35:18.409
Well, we're back to them next time.

681
00:35:18.989 --> 00:35:21.389
I know we are. Thank God we're done with those.

682
00:35:21.449 --> 00:35:22.989
No, we're not done with them yet.

683
00:35:23.809 --> 00:35:26.750
Nope. Just you wait. I'm sure it'll be fantastic. It's

684
00:35:26.769 --> 00:35:31.860
going to be a musical episode with puppets and soap opera. No.

685
00:35:32.219 --> 00:35:33.059
Fairytale theaters.

686
00:35:33.099 --> 00:35:33.519
No.

687
00:35:33.699 --> 00:35:34.000
No.

688
00:35:34.059 --> 00:35:40.349
No. No. Well, thanks as always, Dave and Wayne. Always

689
00:35:40.389 --> 00:35:40.730
a pleasure.

690
00:35:41.090 --> 00:35:41.510
Absolutely.

691
00:35:41.630 --> 00:35:42.150
Lots of fun.

692
00:35:43.469 --> 00:35:46.530
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693
00:35:46.550 --> 00:35:48.409
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694
00:35:48.429 --> 00:35:51.010
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695
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