Nov. 26, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Top 10 Episodes from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Season Five

Phasers Set To Stun: Top 10 Episodes from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Season Five
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Season 6Phasers Set To Stun

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

Our popular "Starter Treks" mini-series is back with a look at Deep Space Nine! Our crew is leaving the bridge and settling in at the Promenade to share the ten episodes you need to see from season five, if you aren't ready to watch all 26 episodes!

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun. In

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this ongoing series from a film by a podcast, we

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focus on every quadrant of the expanding universe of Trek

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by covering television, animation, movies, directors, and more. Plotting the course,

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as always is your core Trek Crew.

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I'm Scott Aften, I'm daa Burn, and I'm Wayne Whited.

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And in this episode, like we have been for the

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past couple of episodes, we're continuing with starter tracks, a

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spoiler free curated episode list of the top ten episodes

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you can watch as a great way to get into

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each series. And just to be clear, we're talking about

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the ten episodes to watch an order of appearance, not

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really an order of preference. Crew, let's talk about Deep

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Space nine season five. Continuing the marathons of this one, David,

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it's safe to say it's getting tougher to choose our

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top ten. There's a lot of contin new.

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Oh yeah, right, it's getting harder and harder. I was

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even looking ahead at season six and like, oh my god,

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how are we going to do this.

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We'll figure it out, but so much to cover.

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We were talking about, you know when we first started

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the series. You know, the later you get into this,

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it just gets the episodes get really good and it

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becomes that story arc that just goes on throughout the seasons.

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And I mean these last few seasons Deep Space nine

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are just insane.

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Yeah, So it's tough to skip around. It's also tough

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to void spoilers.

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So we're gonna get it.

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We're gonna check each other that but you know, it

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might make some descriptions a little bit shorter than others,

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So if it's super short, just know it's super important

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and a lot of big reveals.

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We will do our best, we promise.

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All right, Well, Wayne, why don't you start us off

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with Apocalypse Rising?

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Yes? And this is written by Iras, Stephen Bear and

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Robert Hewlett Wolf, directed by James o'cnway. Cisco assembles a

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covert away team after Odo's fragmented memories indicate that Klingon

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Chancellor Gowron may be a chainsling threatening to destabilize the

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entire quadrant. Disguised as Klingon warriors, Cisco, O'Brien and Bashir,

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along with Odo, traveled deep into enemy territory to infiltrate

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a ceremony where they hope to expose the Impostor. As

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suspicions mount and their cover begins to slip, the team

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struggles to activate a device that will force any shape

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shift or present to reveal its true form. But the

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answer to who the Impostor is is shocks even Cisco

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and his team. Yeah, after you know, we spent the

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last the entire fourth season dealing with the Klingon War

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that you know, Paramount insisted that they do. This episode

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finally brings things back on track and if you know,

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bringing the dominion back into into play and ending the

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Klingon War. But they didn't just you know, drop the

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Klingons and move on, you know, so they had to

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connect the two stories. So you know, I can't reveal

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what happens in here, and it's really hard to get

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around there, but you just just go watch this and

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and find out yourself. You know, it's and and you

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know another change here that we really didn't mention in

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our top ten season four podcasts. Is that you have

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and you really need to know this here is pregnant.

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We didn't even bring that up last season. You know,

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how how did this happen? You might ask? You know, well,

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it's it's not actually her baby, it's it's the O'Brien's.

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Keiko announced that she was pregnant last season in the

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episode Ascension, but then in the episode body Parts, there

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was an accident on one of the runabouts and Keiko

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is injured, so Basher was forced to transfer the baby

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to Major Kira to complete the pregnancy. You know, this

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was written because man a visitor was pregnant and who

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by the way, the father happened to be Alexander Sadig.

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They just didn't want to do another situation where they

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had to hide her behind tables and or come up

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with excuses to get her out of the storyline, like

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they had to do with the Next Generation when Gates

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McFadden got pregnant. So this is this was their their solution.

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I like the episode. It's a it's a great season opener,

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a lot of nice neat twists and surprises. It's a

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good start for what is going to be a very

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powerful and action filled season.

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Dave, who do you think is having the most fun

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on that quingon ship actor and character?

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Uh? Wow, that's that's a tough call. I mean, you

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can't say war if that's a cop out, I'm going

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to probably have to say. I think Renee for Odo,

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even though he was struggling a little bit at first,

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but when he comes through, he really comes through, you know.

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Yeah, Well interesting at that moment because Odo doesn't have

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the shape shifting ability anymore exactly, and so to see

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him kind of like stuck and frustrated and he's like, great,

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this is the role I was born to play and

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I can't.

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Also interesting to see that callback to a discovered.

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Country, yes, yeah statue yeah yeah yeah.

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But also Renee and the Klingon makeup.

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Right, Oh, that's right, he was in that film.

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I forget about that. He was.

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I was forgetting was he pretending to be a Kleon

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there or was he an actual cleon?

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scenes got cut and nic That's why I forgot about it.

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chewing the serial like he was having a great time,

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and I know that comes up a little bit later

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when he gets into there's another episode where he really

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gets into claningon culture. But yeah, he was, he was

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eating it up. I think Wharf was was probably thinking, like,

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turn it down, just a little pit.

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I think it's funny. It's interesting that the line that

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Kirie gives to Bisher, this is still your fault about

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her pregnancy. I think it's fun because it really was,

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you know, the actors baby. So it's it's funny that

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they actually wrote that in there, like that Odo's obsession

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with bubbles, which I think was absolutely hysterical. Yeah. But

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then I tell you, man, I know we've mentioned this

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so many times. We mentioned in the Next Generation, we've

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mentioned it, I think a season ago. Galleran, I tell you, man,

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he just stays stairs through your soul.

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He does.

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You can't help it. Every time I see him I screen, I'm.

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Like, man, you kind of tilt to the left a

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little bit.

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You do.

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Yeah, yeah, I know, I think it wasn't. Dak supposed

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to be a klingon, but she was allergic. The actress

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was allergic. Terry Fair was allergic to the make up.

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I think that's right.

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She can be a Klingon, so they had to change

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roles for her.

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when they were doing the pilot because she was supposed

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to have prosthetics, and yeah, caused problems. That's why they

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changed it, because.

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I mean, she's the Klingon expert. It's war of course,

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but I mean it would have made sense that she

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was with them, so but hey, it still worked out.

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Something that I think confused me and I would think

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would kind of irritate Wharf is that he wasn't recognized.

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Like there's the scene where somebody says like, yeah, very

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I think it's Martox says you have a very familiar

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face in reference to O'Brien, and Wharf is probably like

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anything like, really, I mean this big hall and nobody

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recognizes me, Well, I feel really left out.

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And Cisco got recognized, right, yeah.

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Right, if like you know at that point, you know,

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the the reveal happens. If I was Warf, I would

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just toss down in battle with and I would be like,

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nobody in this hall recognized me. It's a bit fine.

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Forget you, guys, Forget you. It's right anyway, speaking of

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Wharf We've got another one. The next one in is

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mine uh Looking for Parmak in All the Wrong Places,

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written by Ronald D. Moore and directed by Garrick himself

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Andrew Robinson. In an episode we didn't cover, Quark accidentally

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killed a Klingon, which resulted in him becoming the head

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of a Klingon house, being married to a Cleon named Grillka,

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and divorced all in the same episode. I forget which

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season it was, but it's a doozy that's an important

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part of this episode when Grilka arrives and is instantly

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crushed on by Wharf, resulting in one of the oddest

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love triangles I've ever seen on Deep Space nine a

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wharf once Grilka da Wharf, who is totally dimmed her flirtations,

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and Quark just wants some Grocu sexy time. So Dax

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has to coach these dim wits on the matter of

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kling On romance, while Quark tries to help settle Grocu's

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finances without getting killed. Meanwhile, in a storyline that feels

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a little too creepy and how to talk about, oh,

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Brian and Kira start getting too familiar with each other

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while she's carrying Keiko's baby. It's a little dizzy the

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way they've described it, although I feel like it's a

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totally accurate description, but worth watching. For the Wharf Quark

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Dax dynamic. It feels like this is Cyrano de Bergerac

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with stub ubles and fight coordinators. Yeah right, I don't know.

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It was an interesting dynamic. It's a it's a standout

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Quark episode, I think, because I don't know of any

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other Feengi that could probably navigate this whole relationship that

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he has to do with Groca and everybody surrounding Groca.

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Mm hmm.

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But I just can't believe how just utterly dim Wharf

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is to all these flirtations. If you had Das flirting

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with you, I'm sorry, I'm gonna be like, okay, yes please.

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There's a continuity problem in this episode for all of

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star Trek for Wharf because he says, I've never been

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I never have never courted a klingon woman, You liar,

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you have to yeah, right, that's a bunch of lies.

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Uh huh.

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And she shows up, she's gonna be like you forgot

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about me too, all right. That's why they'll don't recognize

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you in the Klingon Hall.

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In his defense, if it was he didn't really court Klar,

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he she kind of went after.

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Him so with a relationship with her.

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Well yeah, he was, You're right, So I.

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Mean, yeah, I mean, I guess there is as it's

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a fine line right there.

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Way, yeah, very fine.

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But still what he said that, I was like, wait, wait,

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what what did you say? But the biggest question in

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this episode is Quirk brings up war. What is it

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good for? If you ask meolutely nothing.

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He should have taken his advice as an advice later

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in this season, but we won't talk about that.

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We won't talk about that.

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You know, well, you know this this is definitely a

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breather episode. It's very lighthearted before all the war stories begins.

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But I I know, everybody finds the other the BT

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story creepy, but I actually think that's the highlight of

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this this episode. This isn't one of my top favorite

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episodes of the season, but I think the storyline with

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with Kiera and O'Brien are actually actually the highlight. It's

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it's very real for those characters, the way they're acting.

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I mean, if you really think about it, So Brian

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you know, he's worried about the baby, and he's asking

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you know, Kira to take it easy, which you know

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she's offended by. You know that that makes sense. You

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know he got you know what. Shakar is there and

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he's very he's acting very awkward because he's not sure

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how to deal with with Kira's pregnancy. You know, it

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does bring a lot of depth to these characters. Despite

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it's it's it is a little creepy because you can

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definitely tell there's some remani tension between Kier and O'Brien.

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the kling On opera that Worf is listening to, you know,

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very interesting and I find it funny Worf when he

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realizes that she is, well he doesn't know who she

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is just yet, the cling on female and tell his

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friends to Quark and say she's a friend of the

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far Ringy. You know, he doesn't like to call him Cork.

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I absolutely love that.

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I love the scene where Dax is trying to coach

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Quark through some relationships and some you know, sexy times

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there that's just kind of like, this is so awkward

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and Warf has to just be fuming on the side

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like he's you know, yeah, I.

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some awkward scenes. Yeah, yeah, best it was fun.

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Speaking of fun episodes, wanted to tell us about.

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The next one.

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First off, thank you for letting me have this one. Uh,

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this is such a treat for this season. It's a

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tree for all of the Deeps based on Anybody who Loves

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Star Trek So Trials and Tribulations written by ronaldy Moore

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and Renee at Saveria, directed by Jonathan West. The Department

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of Temporal Investigation arrive on the station. They are there

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to get the truth from Benjamin Cisco about an incident

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on the Defiant. Benjamin explained that they received an ORB

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from Brajor that they were taking back to the station

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when something goes wrong and the crew of the Defiant

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found themselves transported back in time. It has learned that

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a Klingon spy, Darvin, had caused the ORB to send

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them back to the time of the USS Enterprise under

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the command of Captain James D. Kirk. They blend in

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with the crew right in the midst of one of

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the most memorable episodes of the original show, to stop

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Darvin from changing the events of history. You know, I

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believe they stated this was the most expensive episode of

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Star Trek to.

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That date ever. Looks like it because they had to.

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Recreate the sets to make it look like the original

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enterprise from the sixties.

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didn't have the originals. Yep.

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the director went out of his way to make sure

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he was using the style of lenses from the sixties

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to give it that look, blighting techniques to and he

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used a stock of film from the sixties to give

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it that grain, which I think is why it looks

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so good that it matters. It blends so well some

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of those scenes, Man, I tell you, you almost can't

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tell no because they did such a fantastic job of

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blending them together. I just thought it was It's a

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very impressive episode. For anyone who's never seen this episode before,

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you are in for an amazing treat. You really are.

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And whenever I remember when they were advertising this, I

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was like, WHOA, how the hell they're gonna pull this

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one off? And man, did they pull this off brilliantly, I.

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Might well, specifically the fight scene, Yeah, I think to

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be able to cut that together with so much quick

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action going on, really really well written.

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I love the integration of the time cops yep.

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And they were funny.

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That's what I liked about it. They're pretty humorous.

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Yes, yeah, for sure. I've never expected to get so

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much there, to see so much being made out of

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the tribles like from the original series. It seems like

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that would have been like it's one and done, but

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it's been used to great effect. I think with a

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lot of things that we've seen. We talked about the

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what was it the short track?

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I think I think this one was hilarious. It's interesting

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that nobody gives Odo a second look.

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Nobody.

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Yeah, they're just like, oh, yeah, that's a guy. Yeah,

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you've never seen a changeling before, but it's a guy.

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The discussion of we'll them looking to warf of like

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what happened to the Klingon? They're like, wharf, what happened?

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I loved, I loved that conversation that went on. But

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I love the fact too that Warf was like petrified, trible. Yeah,

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he was angry at the Trouble Is because what happened

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at the end of that epithiode.

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So yeah, you know, this was If anyone doesn't know,

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this is the thirtieth anniversary episode, because it was, you know,

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in nineteen ninety six, this one in Voyder. We're all

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doing a big thirtieth anniversary special. I think this is

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the They're both fantastic, but this is definitely the highlight

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of the two. It took a while for them to

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decide they were going to do this episode. Their original

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idea was to actually use the episode Charlie X because

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the original actor is still alive. But then they thought, well,

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let's do an episode based on a piece of the

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action where they go back to the planet and find

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out that the civilization's now imitating Kirkins back and the Enterprise.

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But then for Scump came out and that is that

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was the thing that that really made this episode happen.

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They saw that film, they decided, hey, we can do that,

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and that's why they chose the Trouble Turtles, which is

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I mean, it really it had to be that episode.

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That's probably the one of the most popular episodes of

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the original series. It's definitely one of the most remembered.

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It's just it's amazing what they did. It's it's mind

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blowing what they did to recreate everything. I mean, you know,

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everything had to be done by from scratch, and they

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got even got back one of the original actors, which

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I think is actually the you know, the the icing

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on the cake here, you know, Charlie Brill. He was

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the perfect person to return for this just makes this

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episode even more fantastic.

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When when they donned the original uniforms, that that right there, think,

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oh man, we are this is gonna be a lot

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of fun. It really is. And of course Dat looking

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incredi incredibly attractive in her uniform. I'm not gonna argue that.

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But man, there's just so many good things about this

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that's just I just love watching this episode. I've seen

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this episode quite a few times because I love to

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go back to revisit this one because it's just so

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much fun and it's it's just the way they put

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it together and edited was just brilliant, especially when Kirk

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had everybody lined up wanting to know what happened, and

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they blended the actors in lely with that. Yes, and

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then another thing, if you know somebody behind the scenes

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when they filmed the original tripled episode when all the

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triples come out and pile up on Kirk, they had

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production assistants back there throwing tribles out to hit him.

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How cool was it that they actually had Thelm in

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this episode doing that, throwing the triplesting him. It was perfect.

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It was perfect that one that hit him in the

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top of the head. You know they had jud z

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It through it. It's just show. It's amazing how they

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they integrated everything so perfect into that episode. So believable.

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Well, way in the next one is yours tell us

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about Rapture.

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A Rapture was written by L. J. Strom. The teleplay

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was by Hans Bremler directed by Jonathan West. After discovering

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an ancient Pajoran artifact, Captain Cisco experiences powerful visions that

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deepen his connection to the prophets and reveal long lost

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Pajoran history. As the visions intensify, he becomes obsessed with

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deciphering their meaning, even as the strain begins to threaten

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his health. Cisco ultimately warns Baijor against joining the Federation,

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believing that doing so would lead to a catastrophe, but

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the visions began to take a physical and mental toll

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on Benjamin Cisco, and Jake is forced to make a

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decision that would end the visions but save his father's life. Now,

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I fought for this episode to be in there because this,

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in my opinion, this is a turning point. This is

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a serious turning point in the series. Well, first off,

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anyone who's watching this episode is going to nose one

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big change in the series, and that's the of course,

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because this is the episode where Deep Space nine switches

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from wearing to wearing the new Starfleet uniforms that we

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see in Star Trek First Contact. And it's quite a

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shock at first, but I gotta say they look pretty

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good in with cast.

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You know.

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But you know, this isn't it's a turning point for

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the series, but it's more of a warning of what's

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to come. It's a very detailed, important episode deals with

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the show's religious mysticism, it's politics, personal sacrifice for Cisco,

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you know. It just it just forces every character to

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confront the implications of Cisco's spiritual authority with the Prophet,

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or as the prophet excuse me, Starfleet's worried about his

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mentals instability, and kai Win envies his connection to the profits,

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and Kira just has faith in him and accepts them.

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You know.

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It just it's it's something that the series has been

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avoiding for the past five seasons, and it needed to

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be addressed because it's it's it's very important because it

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made me re evaluate the character of Juve and Cisco

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in his mission on Beajor. You know, remember back in

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the pilot when we've when he was first assigned to

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d S nine and Captain Pickaarr told him that he

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was to do everything short of violating the Prime Directive,

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you know, to get Baijor to join the Federation. Well,

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Cisco went and basically made himself a god to the Beajor,

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which is probably you know, the first thing that's uh

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listed in the Prime Directive handbook, not what to do

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you shouldn't do this. Yeah, they probably teach that first

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day at Starfleet Academy. But right here in this episode,

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he's directly influencing the development of the planet Beaijor. It

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it's may not be the most interesting episode of the season,

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but it's it's a really really important character part and

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and it makes you consider and think about this. It's

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also a big turning point for kai Win as well.

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You know, you got to think think of that. Five

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years she's doubted that Cisco is the true emissary and

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she's plotted against him. But now here she's finally accepted it.

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She has to you know, that he's the emissary. But

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you know, her character changes now. You know, now that

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she's accepted, she's got to start to begin to resent

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him and become jealous from it.

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And there's a wretch that has finally turned the corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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am I the only one that does not like Yates?

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Oh?

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I like her? I guess so? I mean I I

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think she's a great addition to the cast. You know,

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she's not she doesn't know over to stay or welcome.

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But it's nice to see a romantic relationship that that

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takes a long time to develop. That's not something we

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really see toomuch much on Star Trek.

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She's not a fan of that character.

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I'm sorry, Well, what don't you like about her? I'm curious.

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I don't know. She just gets on my nerves. She

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there's just something about her that I just don't like.

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I'm jealous. No, she's taken Captain Cisco.

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I don't know, not at all. I'm not at all.

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I don't know.

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It just it just feels like it's fake, the relationship.

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I know it's not, but it just it just it

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just feels weird and strange.

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Well, Wayne, I'm glad you lobbied for it because I think,

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you know, thinking of people who are rewatching this series,

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this is you know, for those who know what happens

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at the end of the series. This is one where

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it's going to help to connect the dots a lot more.

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Let's take a quick break, and when we come back,

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I'll take you into the next one. All right, we're

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back in the next one is mine. This is called

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The Begotten, written by Renee Ecaveria and directed by Jesus

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Salvador Tevignil. It's more baby drama in this episode, but

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this time it revolves around the uh Kira and O'Brien dynamic,

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as well as Odo to sum up the former Kiras

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in labor and the clueless Miles O'Brien and Shakhar can't

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keep from getting in the way of each other. Meanwhile,

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Quirk sells something interesting to Odo. He has a trinket

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that seems to contain a dead changeling, which is odd

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in itself, but Odo buys it because he recognizes it's

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not dead. It's actually a baby changeling and one that

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needs his help. He helps to nurse it back to

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health and sees it as another chance to get things right,

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correcting for all the mistakes that Doctor Mora made in

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raising Odo. However, Odo finds himself needing Doctor morris help

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as they work together to help coax this baby through

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the essential steps needed for a changeling to start thriving.

465
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.039
It's a massively important episode for Odo and one of

466
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:34.160
Renee's best performances in my opinion in this role. He

467
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:39.440
has so much emotional range in this one, which goes

468
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:44.640
from you fascination to joy in some moments. It still

469
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:47.799
stretchs me as odd sometimes to see Odo smile, which

470
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.000
is such a weird desision, but.

471
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:51.720
It is just seeing the joy on his face in

472
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:58.160
this episode is just priceless. It really feels you with warmth.

473
00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:02.759
It does, but I'm chilling the scene where he is

474
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.599
talking to it, and it's like a long, long piece

475
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.759
where he's like, you know, trying to you know, you know,

476
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:10.480
get get something out of it, where it's reactions and

477
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.960
stuff like that. Yeah, there's a piece of music that

478
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:17.240
goes along with that. The score is absolutely beautiful as

479
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:21.240
he is performing this, you know, but I agree with you, Scott,

480
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.240
this is probably Renee's best performance in the entire Deep

481
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:29.160
Space nine and Odo's best scenes because getting to see

482
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.759
him almost be like a father because he knows he

483
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:34.799
doesn't get an uppert he won't get an opportunity to

484
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.440
do that, and getting to see him doing that here

485
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.799
is just gold. And getting his reactions again, we can't

486
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.400
give anything away of what happens at the end at

487
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.759
the end of this episode, but wow, what a performance

488
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:50.279
and what a wonderful episode.

489
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:54.160
I want to shout out to James Sloyan, who plays

490
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:58.079
doctor Mora on that note. On that note, Dave specifically,

491
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:03.079
because as a as a father of you know, older kids,

492
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:06.119
and you know you've been through you know, you get

493
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.160
to the turn where it's like you're talking to your

494
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:12.480
you know, somebody who you've raised as an adult and

495
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.880
when they're kind of looking back on you know, on

496
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.400
how to raise someone, on how they have been raised,

497
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.839
and things like that. It's it's interesting that to kind

498
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.119
of relate to both those aspects of it. You can

499
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:28.240
see doctor Morris saying, like, you know, I understand the

500
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.079
things that I did, and I regret those things, knowing

501
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:36.319
that he you know, should have taken made other decisions obviously,

502
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.240
but then you know, odo at that moment of trying

503
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.000
to feel like as a new father kind of like

504
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.039
my first responsibility is to get things right that went

505
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:47.640
wrong with me.

506
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:53.480
Yep, right, you're right. The highlight of this episode is

507
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.359
definitely the Auto story, but in terms of the continuity

508
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.279
of d Spaceline, you can't miss this because of the

509
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:03.559
b storyline. This is the episode where Kira gives birth

510
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:09.680
to Kiria Yoshi O'Brien, which is what they named the baby. Yeah,

511
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.880
it's it's important for that and and good old Miles

512
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:15.400
of Brian he got to be there for the birth.

513
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:17.079
I'm so glad he what he was. He didn't get

514
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.680
to be there for for when Molly was born. But

515
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.640
another thing too, This is the final appearance of doctor

516
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.599
Mora and it's also the final appearance of Shakar on

517
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.119
the series, and I was surprised to see this because

518
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.680
we still got to you know, two and a half

519
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.279
years left to go on the show. But this is

520
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:38.519
the third of the last appearance of Keiko. She only

521
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.440
makes two more appearances in the series. And I guess

522
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.720
the actress actually saw this coming because, uh, you know,

523
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.640
we well for two things. One now there's two kids

524
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:53.119
to deal with, you know, and she's pretty much when

525
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.960
she appears, it's going to be the kids and the

526
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.880
whole thing with you know, getting children to work you

527
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.960
know with in Hollywood and have to work around schedules

528
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.000
some times and schools and stuff makes it really really

529
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.759
difficult to do scenes. Plus she knew that the war

530
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.400
stories were coming the really we're we're going to be

531
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.759
getting into the heart of the war that's coming, and

532
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.799
she's going to be taking a sidelines. So you know,

533
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.359
I've always loved the character of Keiko ever since her

534
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.559
first appearance back on the Next Generation. I'm glad that

535
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:26.519
she came over with Cole Mieni to Deep Space nine,

536
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:28.559
and I'll be sad to see her go, but I'm

537
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.799
glad that she was able to be on the series

538
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:35.119
and appear what she did because I think it's nice

539
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:39.319
to have a married couple on Star Trek for a change, Dave.

540
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.359
Next one is Yours for the.

541
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.079
Uniform, written by Peter Allenfield and David Weddell, directed by

542
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.160
Victor Louis. Benjamin is on a mission to rendezvous with

543
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.640
a friend to find a way to capture the trader Eddington.

544
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:52.920
He would do whatever it takes to capture and bring

545
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.960
him to justice. When his friend doesn't show, Benjamin and

546
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.720
Crewe take the Defiant to track Edington down, but they

547
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.400
find themselves in trouble, tricked by the man they seek,

548
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.119
and they're fine is rendered almost useless. Eighteen months, Benjamin

549
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:07.000
has been doing his best to track the man down

550
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.000
and has failed at every turn, which now leads the

551
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.839
Federation to make a drastic decision. But will that stop

552
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:15.960
the commander of Deep Space nine is yet to be seen.

553
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.839
Some really great scenes in this one. One of the

554
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:22.799
things that I'd love to see that we're getting to

555
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:28.519
see that Benjamin losing his temper, out of control, losing

556
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.400
his temper, and it's starting to affect him a little

557
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:35.240
bit in his command. Not much, but yeah, he just

558
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.400
is gone over the edge of revenge, of going after

559
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.640
Eddington and you really see that. I mean, even the

560
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:43.319
crumb of the crew are like kind of taking a

561
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.880
step back to like, uh what and he know what

562
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.799
he does in this episode, and even Wharf hesitates, like

563
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.279
do I really need to do that? And I mean

564
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:59.799
he basically crosses that line in this episode. Benjamin does,

565
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.960
and you it's hard to side with him. But when

566
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.519
you think about it, with what Eddington was doing and

567
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.400
everything that was going on, what else could have Cisco

568
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.319
done in this situation? To be honest with you, he

569
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:14.839
was put in a corner. Maybe he put himself in

570
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.160
that corner, yeah, but he couldn't get out of it

571
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.319
any other way. And the fact that not only him,

572
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:23.319
but the Federation just could not get anything no matter

573
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.680
how close they got, he was always three steps ahead.

574
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:31.640
And Benjamin didn't have a choice. And that's one of

575
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.720
those decisions that you don't see in Star Trek much

576
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.079
of what he does. And you know, I hate to

577
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.559
be like to think about it, but I probably would

578
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:42.480
have done the same thing, to be honest with you,

579
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.640
because you have to do something drastic in order to

580
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.519
catch that guy, and he had to pull it, so

581
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.039
he did. But I thought this was an incredible episode,

582
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.200
and I felt like it was a strong Benjamin episode.

583
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.519
And we've had a lot of great performances from him

584
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.920
from Avery Brooks, but this one made and I tell you,

585
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.440
it's just wow. Just seeing him on a whole new level.

586
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:08.799
It's just a whole new experience.

587
00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:14.119
Yeah, it's it's definitely a turn, not necessarily a one eighty,

588
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.240
but it's definitely a turn in a specific direction for

589
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:25.000
the Star Trek franchise. Through this series and the storyline, like,

590
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.400
you get glimpses of the kind of places they have

591
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:32.079
to go, and it's getting deeper than simply exploration or

592
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:38.519
observation or connecting to new life. It's some of what

593
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.440
happens with that in certain situations. I think it's it's

594
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.079
a it's a brave move to go where they had

595
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.480
gone in the writing of this series and in the

596
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:52.200
you know, the character's decisions. It's it's definitely not one

597
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.319
to miss because you get a sense for the tone

598
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:56.480
of where this is going.

599
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:57.039
Yep.

600
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.079
You also start to get the tone of what he

601
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.359
has to kind of with the decisions they.

602
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:02.680
Have to make.

603
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:05.799
We we talked about quite a few times actually over

604
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.319
the last few episodes. For the previous seasons of the

605
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:10.640
show that it's going to get darker. This is this

606
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.359
series is gonna get darker and darker, and this episode

607
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.079
proves that point that it gets darker. You don't usually

608
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.200
see that in Star Trek like this. You know, I

609
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.960
know we talked about like best of both worlds. How

610
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.720
you get that dreaded feeling deep down? You know, it's

611
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.559
it's the same thing that what Benjamin had to do

612
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.319
in this episode, and you know there's more to come,

613
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.400
and it's just it where it's kind of like a

614
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.480
place that you never imagined the writers of Star Trek

615
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.960
to go, and they are finally going that way because

616
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.240
they wanted to Deep Space nine needed to separate itself

617
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.559
from the rest of Star Trek, and in order to

618
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.000
do that you had to start pulling different cards, and

619
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.400
the rest of the other series have done and this

620
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:53.039
one did it.

621
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.960
Yeah, I'm with you with that. You know, Cisco's actions

622
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.720
in this episode are debatable. I guess it could be

623
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.119
a good way to put it to you know, it

624
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.400
really really shows that Cisco's you know, he's willing to

625
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.839
step away from his Starfleet ethics do whatever is necessary

626
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:10.880
to win, even if it goes against everything that his

627
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:14.880
uniform stands for. You know, he's become obsessed really with

628
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.920
capturing Edington Eddington and do anything to get get him.

629
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.920
I don't want to spoil the episode, but it really

630
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.920
shows the difference between what Cisco would do compared to like, say,

631
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.079
the Card, because the Card would never have done this. No,

632
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.440
Kirk maybe, but the Card never. And it kind of

633
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.160
shows that that really Cisco and Eddington are are just

634
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.759
the different size of the same coin. It's just the

635
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:43.640
cause that they're fighting for is.

636
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.920
Different one that can't be invested for sure.

637
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.279
Let's not forget about the individual they use for communicating

638
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:55.599
with Engineering in this episode. Nog Oh yeah, oh yeah, Yes,

639
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.079
that's a good youth of his character, and I'm so

640
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.680
glad that he's involved. They did and just write him

641
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.400
off to go to Starfleet, say up, we're done with

642
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.079
that character whenever we're not bringing him back. I'm so

643
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.079
glad Nog is there in getting to experience some of this.

644
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:09.920
I thought that was a great way to use his character.

645
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:12.159
Well, he does such a great job of holding his

646
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.679
own Oh yeah, he does. And it's an interesting like

647
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.239
there's more of a militaristic feel in some of these episodes,

648
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:21.719
and this is definitely one of them where you have

649
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.320
people that are like, you know, shouting to different It's

650
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:25.679
like watching people on a submarine.

651
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:27.800
I don't know.

652
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:29.840
I think it's one of the things that makes this.

653
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.280
I know there's debates about, you know, taking Star Trek

654
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:37.119
in this kind of direction. I thought it was thrilling.

655
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.239
I thought it was refreshing to see it a different

656
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.440
kind of direction, even if I don't always agree with

657
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:42.480
the decisions that are made.

658
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:44.880
But I don't know.

659
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:46.440
I think it's a fascinating part of.

660
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.159
The series with interesting you talk about summary because the

661
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.599
writers did in amange to run silent, run deep in

662
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:52.360
this episode.

663
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.679
Yeah so yeah, Well, Wayne, I think you've got a

664
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.360
two parter.

665
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:03.239
In Purgatory Shadow and By Inferno's Light, written by Robert

666
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.960
Hewitt Wolfe and ear Stephen Bear. Part one is directed

667
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.280
by Gabrielle Beaumont and part two is directed by Leslandau.

668
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:14.639
When Garrick receives a mysterious Cardassian distress signal from the

669
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.960
Gamma quadrant, he and Warf travel through the wormhole and

670
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.800
discover a Dominion prison, pulling in a brand Tan and

671
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:26.280
several key Alpha Quadrant captives, including the real General Martak

672
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.360
and one of their own back on Deep Space nine.

673
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.119
Their capture coincides with the Dominion's massive invasion plan. As

674
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.519
a fleet prepares to enter the Alpha Quadrant under the

675
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.719
guise of a peace mission. Warfander's beautal combat in the

676
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.840
Jimadar Arena, while Gerrick attempts to desperate escape even as

677
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.840
he confronts Tane's final, complicated confession of paternal affection. Meanwhile,

678
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.320
the Changeling, posing as a familiar face, sabotages DS nine

679
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:58.000
and tries to destroy Bejor's son. I'll admit I completely

680
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.679
forgot about this story. When we were recording last podcast.

681
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.639
I stated that Deep Space Line didn't have any more

682
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:08.239
two parters, and I was wrong. Here it is, and

683
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.639
it's such an important two parter, and that it really

684
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.800
talk really changes the political climate for the series. The

685
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.960
first episode excels at building tension for the story, from

686
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.440
the discovery of the Dominion prison camp to the shocking

687
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.960
reveal that one of the main characters has been replaced

688
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.280
by the Changeling. Every twist that this story has really

689
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:33.199
heightens that sense that the Alpha Quadrant is the break

690
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:37.400
of disaster. Really, I have to point out Andrew Robinson's

691
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:41.719
Garrek in this two parter. His performance is phenomenal. You know,

692
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.480
with Garrek having to confront that Anna Britain has is

693
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.960
still alive, which if you remember in the last season's

694
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.519
finale Broken Link, the Founder had told him that everyone

695
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.000
had been killed. So it comes as a shock that

696
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.400
you know, he's he was lied to and he's still alive.

697
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:00.880
But on top of another shock, reb which is a

698
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:04.039
big spoiler and I won't reveal it. I also want

699
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.320
to out point out how much of a trooper Andrew

700
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.880
Robinson was because when he filmed his scenes in that

701
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.159
crawl space, not only does suffer from claustrophobia, but he

702
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.480
had a really really bad flu that day that they

703
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:14.960
filmed them.

704
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:18.119
Ood really yeah wow.

705
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.159
And the second part, you know, delivers the punch ending

706
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.639
for the story, which it has some damn good fight scenes,

707
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.119
especially that scene with war fighting the Jimidhara. I love that.

708
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.400
It's really hard to talk about the second part because

709
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.639
it's it's one spoiler after another, but just let me

710
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.000
say this, the stakes are really high and the ending

711
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.599
is the number one major turning point to the series

712
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.239
and sets the story for pretty much the remaining two

713
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:43.320
and a half years left come.

714
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:45.360
This episode is crap hits the fan.

715
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:48.000
Yes, yes, that's a good way to put it.

716
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.840
That's exactly what this is interesting enough. You know I

717
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.599
put in put in boat on here, edge of your

718
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.440
seat tension, because that's exactly what the ending of this was.

719
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.079
It was on the edge of your seat, because you know,

720
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.000
we don't get a a lot of these endings like this,

721
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.119
with a few of them we have, but this one

722
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.760
is really starting to set what's going to happen, and

723
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.320
you know, we know it's gonna happen at the end

724
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.119
of this season. We're going to get to that here shortly.

725
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.559
But the next two seasons are just hold tight because

726
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.159
there's a lot to come and it's gonna get crazy.

727
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.960
But my question is when did Princess LEAs bouch come

728
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:22.960
to star trek Oh.

729
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.719
I see that every time. It's hard to have to

730
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.760
see boush there. Yeah, you can't help it every time,

731
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.199
and I'm like, I don't know I had that. Well,

732
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:35.920
my sister gotta give props. So Laura had that. Figures.

733
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.639
It's such a cool design. I love that they don't

734
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:40.719
try to adorn it with a lot of things to

735
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:43.079
try to hide it. But yeah, it's hard not to see.

736
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:43.880
Yeah it is.

737
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:44.519
It is.

738
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.760
But when you're right about the reveals and we're not

739
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.960
gonna give one away, because when they do reveal that,

740
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:55.800
you're like what no, yeah, you tricky people.

741
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.519
Yeah, and it makes you go back and think about it, like, well,

742
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.280
you know, you know, what did he do? You know,

743
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.159
back in those episodes, when did it happen? What was

744
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:05.199
going on? Yep?

745
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:11.639
Exactly, absolutely essential watching rewatchers, very important to get back

746
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:13.880
into in a reason that I'll that'll remind you why

747
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:15.519
a lot of people love this series.

748
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:15.880
Wayne.

749
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.679
I got to commend you for doing a great job

750
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.800
of dancing through spoilers. There there's not it could have

751
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.719
been like these are really good, you should watch them,

752
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:25.159
all right, move on to the next one.

753
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.800
That stok a few couple times of rewriting to change

754
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.639
some things. Yeah, yeah, And there's two points I do

755
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:35.760
want to bring out. Also during the episode, it's mentioned

756
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.519
the Borg attack, which is this is the first reference

757
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.199
to the events of Star Trek First Contact. Although this

758
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:44.719
there's a little bit of a continuity problem with that

759
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.599
because the Star dates stated for this episode which is

760
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.280
five oh five six four actually take place before the

761
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.079
star dates that are mentioned in First Contact five eight

762
00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:02.039
nine threes, which doesn't make any sense. When the producers

763
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.039
were asked about they said just just ignore it, okay, okay.

764
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:10.119
And also, you know they this episode is dedicated to

765
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.559
Derrick Garth. If you don't know, this is he was

766
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.880
a FIRS behind the scenes person that he died in

767
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.480
a car accident while he was on his way to

768
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.320
work on this on the series for this episode, so

769
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.559
this episode is dedicated to him.

770
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.320
I'm can I can I put in my uh my

771
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:33.079
usual Babylon five thing here? Yeah, I still as much

772
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.880
as I love it, don't hate me Trek fans, I

773
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.400
still have the field. Babylon five villains are.

774
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.880
Creepier, Yes they are. Shall stand with that. I'll stand

775
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:42.159
with that.

776
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.239
They were much more of a threat in my opinion

777
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:47.800
than the Gym Hdar. But that's my sign up for

778
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.239
Bablon five gets to get back to Star Trek.

779
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.400
Sorry, buddy, I'll keep that in mind when you guys

780
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:53.480
walk me through Babel of five.

781
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.199
Yes, but both shows are running at the same time,

782
00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:58.960
so that's why you know the two shows about two

783
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.519
different space stations. You know, come on, you guys, see

784
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:04.840
the similarities and stuff between the two shows at times,

785
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.280
and there's nothing wrong, and you great sci fi show

786
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:08.000
is running at once.

787
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.800
Let's see at this time, we'll see we're now getting

788
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.840
into the Dominion War and Babylon five was getting into

789
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.760
the Shadow War. Correct, Yeah, you couldn't help but compare

790
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:17.039
the two.

791
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.679
No, not at all, you can't. But I just I

792
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.079
just I like the Shadow War. Just that was just creepy.

793
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.000
It Coke pepsi.

794
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.800
Oh wait a minute, this is good comparison for Wayne

795
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.920
Coke pepsi. Which one's coke? Which one's pepsi?

796
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:34.639
Oh?

797
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.199
Interesting, pepsi is Babylon five.

798
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.239
Okay, we better move on. Let's move on and take

799
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:43.880
that as you will.

800
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:45.679
All right, I'll quickly get it.

801
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:46.519
Just into the next one.

802
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.119
All right, Well, I'm gonna take a turn with our

803
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.880
next one. A little bit of a lighter fare, but

804
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.440
still important for reasons, very important, Doctor Basher, I presume

805
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.360
it's our next one. Written by Jimmy Diggs and Ronald More,

806
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.599
directed by David Livingston. This is a great episode for

807
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.840
Voyager fans and fans of Robert Piccardo, which I assume

808
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.119
is everyone who's ever seen him in anything ever. In

809
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.480
this episode, he plays doctor Lewis Zimmerman, the inventor and

810
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.239
life model for the emergency medical hologram that we know

811
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.119
and love from Star Trek Voyager. He's here with an

812
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.960
offer for doctor Basheer that Julian has been chosen for

813
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.079
as the life model for the long term medical hologram

814
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.480
that's gearing up for launch. This puts Julian under a

815
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.400
very uncomfortable microscope as he's examined and self examined thoroughly

816
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:41.039
to capture every element for an accurate recreation doctor. Doctor

817
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.159
Basheer agrees on one condition that his parents are left

818
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:47.800
out of the investigation. Of course, doctor Zimmerman ignores this,

819
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.000
and he uncovers secrets that doctor Bashir desperately wants to hide.

820
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.920
On another note, we also see doctor Zimmerman crush on Leda,

821
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.960
who just wants Rom to finally admit that he has

822
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:02.239
feelings for her. So the relationships on the station would

823
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.280
benefit so much if people would just talk. I mean,

824
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.599
it's a little bit like Three's company communication.

825
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.519
Please it helps. Come on, I know, Ron, what are

826
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:13.159
you doing, buddy?

827
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:20.480
Yeah? Great performances here a lot of depth about doctor

828
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.800
Bashir and kind of an interesting look at a character

829
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.519
I think has changed quite a bit from early episodes

830
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:31.079
like you know, move along Home to what he is now.

831
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:36.079
It's also an interesting change how others perceive him. And

832
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:43.360
Robert Riccardo standout performance here, always entertaining, always fascinating to see,

833
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:48.960
like the aspects of his emh character in Voyager compared

834
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.639
to the person that kind of created that. It almost

835
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:58.079
seems like there's parallels with Brent Spiner doing Doctor Sung

836
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:02.239
and Lower Right, just different aspects of the same kind

837
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:03.599
of love this episode.

838
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.280
One of my favorite scenes in this episode is Beshar's

839
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:11.480
outpouring to O'Brien. Really, it really reminds me of the

840
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.159
scene remember when the two got drunk and they were

841
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.599
talking about, you know, being friends and stuff. I think

842
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.639
it was last season that we talked about that episode,

843
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.320
but it really reminded me of without the alcohol and

844
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.360
getting drunk, but because it was a lot more serious

845
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:29.719
this time, just O'Brien trying to you know, calm beshear down. Obviously,

846
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.360
we have to be careful what we say here because

847
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:33.800
we don't want to get anything because there's another big

848
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.840
reveal in this episode for crying out loud. But the

849
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.000
relationship between these two characters, again, just like Beshear has

850
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.960
come a long way, these two characters relationship has come

851
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.239
since a long way too, and even even playing darts

852
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.840
together just as simple as that, getting to see them

853
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.480
being the friends, but everything they have been through. Remember

854
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.199
the episode last season you know where you know O'Brien

855
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.280
was telling Bashir not to do the things he was

856
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:03.599
doing for the Jimidar, remember on that planet? Yep, yep,

857
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:05.719
you know, and they kind of got into it, got

858
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.639
into a fight about in an argument, but they were

859
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.000
still such good friends that they were still able to

860
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.920
put that behind them and continue on. And you see

861
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.320
that here and in that scene between the two of them,

862
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.639
you really see how much they have developed with one another.

863
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:25.679
Yeah, there's a lot of mutual respect there and interesting

864
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.559
to see in a moment where one friend is really

865
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.320
depending on the other but putting it all on the

866
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.679
table and saying, I don't know what to do about

867
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.079
this and I desperately need your help.

868
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.079
Another thing, also, I wanted to bring up a little

869
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.679
bit about continuity. You know how I love continuity. O'Brien's

870
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.159
comments about Starfleet having not ever dealt with a genetically

871
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:54.199
engineered officer in one hundred years actually fits pretty good.

872
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:56.960
The writers would never have known about this, okay back

873
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.239
in nineteen ninety seven. But you can actually say that

874
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.079
this is a reference to the trial of on Star

875
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:08.000
Trek Strange New Worlds placed just a little bit over one.

876
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:11.760
Hundred I am likely you are giving away some spoilers

877
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:12.840
here for what.

878
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:19.920
Oh I love the look at the realization, like, oh.

879
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.000
I didn't realize we were that was okay? Well, yeah,

880
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.119
that is a pretty big spoiler.

881
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:29.320
You're right, all right, Please, I see where you're going

882
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.559
with it, though, Yes, you can definitely see the connections

883
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:32.159
and stuff like that.

884
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.280
Yeah, I love it when when continuity works together everybody else.

885
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:38.840
Since you didn't hear that because the phaser just you know,

886
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.079
burnt right through me, go back and watch this episode

887
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.960
and then watch that Strange New World's episode. It was

888
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.679
the second season or second episode of the second season.

889
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:50.719
You'll see the connection, ye, But I don't forget this

890
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.760
is the first time we've heard about Nog's mother, yes,

891
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.159
and we've never heard about her at all until.

892
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.119
Now, so we get some of that in here. I

893
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:03.519
think He gets mentioned again later on in another I

894
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:04.639
don't know if we're going to cover it or not,

895
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.119
but yeah, the first time we've got to hear that story.

896
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.320
And along those lades. Shout out to Chase Masterson and

897
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:15.960
Max Gridonchick for their roles in this.

898
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:17.480
It's a b story.

899
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.840
It's a relationship story, but an important one, I think

900
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.159
in their development. I love their relationship and I think

901
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.920
both their performances are stand out in this one. I

902
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.800
love their characters and I'm glad to see where they

903
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.280
start to go. Absolutely all right, let's take a quick break,

904
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.719
and when we come back, I think Wayne, it's your turn.

905
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:43.280
We're back, Wayne, You're up next with Blaze of Glory.

906
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.639
Written by Robert Hewitt Wolf and Iris Steven Bear and

907
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:52.000
directed by Kim Friedman. When Starfleet intercepts what appears to

908
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:56.039
be a launch of Jimmadar equipped Makey missiles aimed at Kardaska,

909
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.440
Cisco reluctantly frees Michael Eddington from prison to help track

910
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.159
them down. Editing used the mission to manipulate Cisco into

911
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:08.679
aiding a group of surviving Makey refugees, revealing how thoroughly

912
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.280
the Dominion has destroyed the movement. As they close in

913
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.920
on the supposed missile base, it becomes clear that Eddington

914
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.360
has tricked them to force Cisco into helping the survivors escape.

915
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.440
Now we've included this episode on the list because of

916
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.639
its importance in the closure of the McKee storyline, which

917
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.159
has been going on since season two. We get the

918
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:33.239
return of Michael Edington played by Ken Marshall one last time.

919
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.320
The producers wanted to end the McKee's story now before

920
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.719
they got into the heart of the Dominion war next season,

921
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:43.239
because they didn't want too many loose threads left for

922
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.559
the series. And because of this, it kind of tore

923
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.199
the fandom in half. Some were satisfied with this ending,

924
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:55.880
some were left to disappointed with the closure. But besides

925
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.519
all that, Avery Brooks and Kenneth Marshall, they deliver really

926
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:02.000
superb performances in this episod, so in my opinion, you know,

927
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.320
the character of Eddington started off strong and very promising

928
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.400
back in the at the beginning of season three, but

929
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:10.760
you know, as time went on, a lot of people

930
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.800
found him irritating, underused, and then Wharf was brought on

931
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:16.840
board and the character kind of lost any sort of

932
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.639
purpose that he had, and so they made him an enemy,

933
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.559
you know, which is a great idea, but I don't

934
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.480
think it worked out the way that they had hoped.

935
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.000
But here in this episode is the best they've ever

936
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.599
written for Eddington, and it really gives Marshall something to

937
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.559
act with and show his character's strength, and which leads me.

938
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:39.119
I'm going to rant now, okay, in my opinion, and

939
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.159
I'm gonna have state that the whole m key idea

940
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.519
and storyline was badly handled by the producers and writers.

941
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.519
And I'm not just talking d Space nine. I'm including

942
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.440
Voyager in that statement. It's a fantastic idea and it

943
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.280
was well handled back during the second season in the

944
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.559
two parter McKey and the Next Generation's Preemptive Strike. But

945
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.760
then Deep Space nine introduced the Dominion and we had

946
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:04.840
that war, and then we had the Klingon War, and

947
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:08.000
suddenly Deep Space nine's trying to juggle way too many things,

948
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.360
too many storylines, and the McKee's story kind of fell

949
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:13.679
off to the side. The writers just got bored with

950
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.519
it because there were new wars to write about. And

951
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.920
over on Voyager it's even worse because you know, you

952
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.039
have this major conflict between Starfleet and the McKee and

953
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.559
the Pilot Caretaker, which showed so much promise, you know,

954
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.760
so many things they could do that with that, and

955
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.599
by the second episode it's just practically forgotten about except

956
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:34.599
for maybe, you know, like one time, I'm per season,

957
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.719
I'll get more into that when we start talking about

958
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.000
Voyager and we're in for a long discussion there. But

959
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.199
that's just that's my opinion on the McKee. It's it's

960
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.119
a great idea that they just just went poop poo with.

961
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:53.960
What do you think so awkward silent?

962
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.280
I think it's interesting as somebody who hasn't really gotten

963
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:59.920
into Voyager as much, but I can see what you're

964
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.440
saying with that. I can see why they had to

965
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.719
go off in a different direction. But it seems like

966
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:11.719
it's unmined territory that could be fodder for you know,

967
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:16.480
I'm sure if there isn't novelization or comics out there

968
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.480
that have pursued it, that there could be. I think

969
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.719
it's an interesting thing to start to pursue, maybe from

970
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.159
the McKee's point of view, because you don't get much

971
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.280
of that. I do think it's interesting the glimpse that

972
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.159
we do get into that and the the role of

973
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:35.239
desperation that they kind of have in this one. All right,

974
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.039
well let's round it up, Dave, You've got the next

975
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:38.920
one called Arms.

976
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.360
Remember Robert Hewitt, Wolf and David Weddell, directed by Alan Crooker.

977
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.840
The Jym Header continues to infiltrate the Alpha Quadrant, preparing

978
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.559
for war as they watch more and more ships come through.

979
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:52.679
Benjamin Cisco decides to place mines near the wormhole to

980
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:56.000
stop the invasion, which forces a confrontation with the Dominion.

981
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.559
Benjamin and crew prepared themselves for the inevitable well at

982
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:01.880
the same time, I'm watching allies that the Federation began

983
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.440
to leave. All of this leads up to a season

984
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.599
ending cliffhanger that Deep Space nine hasn't seen and will

985
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.960
lead into the oncoming war of Wars that the Federation

986
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.320
hasn't seen in years. All I've got to say for

987
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.679
this is it is one hell of a finale, because

988
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:20.760
this is probably the best finale I have seen for

989
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.159
Star Trek, and that's all of the next generation up

990
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.639
to this point. Incredible. This is exactly what I want

991
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.280
from Star Trek. That we've not seen tons of ships

992
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.360
on screen fighting. You know that that dog fighting thing

993
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:37.559
that you see. This is one thing that Star Trek

994
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.440
has kind of missed out on that Star Wars nailed

995
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.400
and I'm Baplon five nailed it too, by the way,

996
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.119
but I add that. But Star Trek finally nails it

997
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:51.159
here with this finale. And may I tell you it

998
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:53.199
may not say to be continued in this, but it

999
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.599
is to be continued because there is a lot on

1000
00:52:55.719 --> 00:53:00.159
the horizon that's going to happen. So there's this so

1001
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:01.800
much and the stuff that I would love to talk about,

1002
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.519
but I really can't because it's going to give away

1003
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.559
too much. One of the things that I absolutely loved

1004
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:13.239
was the fact that Benjamin left his baseball just for

1005
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.719
the mere fact it didn't come out to be said.

1006
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.559
And I can't say who found the ball, but it's

1007
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:22.719
almost like, let's play ball. It's basically what Benjamin was

1008
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:23.480
saying right there.

1009
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:24.639
A message.

1010
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.039
It was a message yep. And I love that.

1011
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.000
Interesting you bring up Star Wars because I feel like

1012
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:31.760
this is almost like the Empire strikes back.

1013
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.519
Yeah it is nine yep.

1014
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.280
In terms of the story arc, it definitely feels like

1015
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.239
that kend of it. Feel it's almost impossible to talk

1016
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.400
about anything in this episode without spoiling, right, but absolutely

1017
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:46.000
critical aside from the fact that it, you know, if

1018
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.719
it's the last one of the seasons, so I feel

1019
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.320
like we typically cite those as ones you have to watch.

1020
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.320
But it's done so well that I think it's it's

1021
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:57.760
absolutely essential watching it. I would say, you know, it's

1022
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.599
something that a Star Trek fan should should look at

1023
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:03.719
when they're looking for, you know, what are some reasons

1024
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.360
that I should care about watching the Deep Space nine

1025
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:07.400
does want to proves it?

1026
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:11.559
Yeah, and I think doesn't this start the seven episode arc?

1027
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:12.840
Yes, it does.

1028
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:18.079
We'll just pick the first SIPs and just saying, look,

1029
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:19.280
here are the things that happened.

1030
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.000
This isn't just the season finale. This is also very

1031
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:27.559
important for in one aspect, and this we're saying goodbye

1032
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.039
to one of the most important elements of Star Trek

1033
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.400
up to this point, physical starship models. It's cgi all

1034
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.280
the way from now on. This is the last episode

1035
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:38.440
they actually used models.

1036
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:41.800
Yeah, I mean it was time for them to move

1037
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.440
on to that. It's same, I love models, but I get.

1038
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.519
It was that it was there at that point where

1039
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:47.800
they can use analia. Yeah.

1040
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:50.119
Absolutely, and then they start using it as a great effect.

1041
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:55.800
Yeah, some great things there between Ram and Leda obviously. Yeah,

1042
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:58.880
and you know, the youth of Benjamin in a certain situation.

1043
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.119
But yeah, so much happens in this episode that it's crazy,

1044
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.599
and it just so much goes on inside the station,

1045
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.559
outside the station. It's just there's just it's amazing they

1046
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.000
were able to fit this in in that what forty

1047
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:14.880
five minute time frame? It's crazy.

1048
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:20.079
Well, let's go to the other side of the coin.

1049
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.159
We've mentioned a lot of great ones. Let's do a

1050
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:28.159
round robin, quick round of dishonorable mention that episode the

1051
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.079
week are the episodes that we feel we can skip

1052
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.679
because they're just not quite up to par with the

1053
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:34.800
rest of them. Wayne, why don't you start with your pick?

1054
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:37.360
Well, there are a few mediocre episodes of season, but

1055
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:38.760
the only one that I could say that I really

1056
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.440
didn't like was let He Who Is Without Sin? The

1057
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:46.440
Risa episode where Wharf and Jesia goes from Risa thinking

1058
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.480
it will help with their relationship. Then Julian and Leita

1059
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.599
and Corko with them, and Wharf gets involved with an

1060
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:56.239
organization that's protesting the comference and sexual freedoms that Risa offers,

1061
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.400
I think the thing that I dislike the most is

1062
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.039
how they show Wharf in this episode. He's so jealous

1063
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:05.519
and insecure because, you know, he learns a former lover

1064
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:09.840
of Kurzon Dax runs the Planets, which played by Vanessa Williams,

1065
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:14.880
and so he joins this this moralistic, anti pleasure extremist group.

1066
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.039
But I'm sorry, that's not the Wharf that we've been

1067
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.800
watching for like ten years at this point. It's awkward,

1068
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.039
and it just really throws the chemistry off between Michael

1069
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:27.320
dor and Terry Ferrell. It's it's what's even more frustrating

1070
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.480
is that there's some really good ideas in this episode,

1071
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.880
but they're written so wrong. It just makes the whole

1072
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:33.679
episode unwatchable. It's a pity.

1073
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:35.239
Hey, I assume you agree?

1074
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:35.559
Oh?

1075
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.960
Absolutely, I agree. There was no doubt this was immediately

1076
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:40.559
going to my least favorite.

1077
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:41.440
Yeah.

1078
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.320
I knew it was gonna be our least favorite like

1079
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:48.760
ten minutes into watching it, But I got to get

1080
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:53.000
through that gag reflex. I mean, the absolute joyless Wharf,

1081
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.159
who wouldn't know happiness if it sat on his face,

1082
00:56:56.320 --> 00:57:01.519
That goes from grumpy to weaponized killjoy. I'm surprised that

1083
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:08.400
the relationship between Jaxon Warf continues this episode, Buddy, what's

1084
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:11.599
wrong with you? No kidding bout getting back to a

1085
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:15.440
positive note. We always put the spotlight on one standout character,

1086
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:19.519
and this time it's Quark. Dave, whytn't you tell some

1087
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.480
some reasons why Quark stood out of such a spotlight

1088
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:24.400
character for this season?

1089
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.760
Well, there was quite a few scenes that I really

1090
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.159
enjoyed him with. Obviously, I talked a little bit about

1091
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.800
the There was a scene between Odo and Quark in

1092
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.559
the episode you know where he had the little the

1093
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.239
little kid, I should say, but I actually chose a

1094
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:40.400
scene that we didn't even talk about a scene an

1095
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:41.840
episode We even talk about the ascent.

1096
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.320
Yes, I love that.

1097
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:48.800
I love that episode because it is probably the best

1098
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.480
episode between Quark and Odo. And it's a shame it

1099
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.400
didn't make it to our top ten because we really

1100
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.880
couldn't because there's just so many things going on and

1101
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.039
it's gonna get worth the next two seasons. But how

1102
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.840
much those two characters go through on this planet that

1103
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.360
it's a frozen planet, that they have to get to

1104
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:08.320
the top of this mountain to you know, get a

1105
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.519
signal out while they both hate each other with a passion,

1106
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.480
but yet they find a way to get along with

1107
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:18.599
one another and just Cork and himself being himself. He

1108
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:22.079
one thing I like about Cork is he always is

1109
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:26.480
true to his character. Always, from the very first episode

1110
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.039
to the last episode. Cork is Quirk. Even though he

1111
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.920
may lay a little bit, tiny bit of you know,

1112
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.599
friendship pull through, but he's still Cork and he's going

1113
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.559
to do something about it. I love the way it ends,

1114
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:42.480
with the how they meant every word. They hated each

1115
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:44.760
other almost in a way that they showed how much

1116
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.119
they love one another, if that makes sense. But it's

1117
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:51.440
true that's the way that those two were reacted to

1118
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.039
each other through this entire episode. They had to help

1119
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.440
each other obviously to get out of it, but they

1120
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.400
still do not like one another at all in a

1121
00:58:58.440 --> 00:58:59.280
way they still.

1122
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.280
Like pile on that. I'll pile on that because I agree.

1123
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:04.920
I love that episode, and I think it's one of

1124
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.880
the things that shows, you know, they have a mutual

1125
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.280
respect of a certain degree although they despise each other. Yeah,

1126
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.639
or they always feel like I'm right on the cusp

1127
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:20.239
of getting this person caught, and but I can't imagine

1128
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.280
turning this person into something that I don't know that

1129
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.760
I know that they would never be. Quark has a

1130
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.599
lot of growth. Quarks a great representation of why the

1131
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.920
Ferengi are worth another look beyond the fur codes and

1132
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:37.719
the whips from the early Nice Generation episodes. And I

1133
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:40.119
like what you said, Dave about how he stays true

1134
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:44.920
to himself. He's not always the you know, best example

1135
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:48.239
that you want to follow, but you can see the

1136
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:52.920
the genuine moments come through, And yeah, I think it's

1137
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.280
a great big Wayne. What about you?

1138
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:57.639
Yeah, I agree. The Assent is actually the strongest Quirk

1139
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.639
episode this season. But I chose a specific scene from

1140
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.079
the season finale called to Arms. It's a scene where

1141
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.000
Cork and Rahm are together and Rama is working on

1142
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:13.239
the sabotage work with the minds and he goes, you know,

1143
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:18.199
he asks why Cork is staying, and you know, he says, well,

1144
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.440
I have to look out for my bar and Rom says,

1145
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:22.559
and I'm staying because I have to look out for you.

1146
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:26.920
You're my brother. Whatever happens, we belong together. And Cork

1147
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:28.800
returns and says, well, you know, like I said, you're

1148
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.760
an idiot. But then he kisses him on the back

1149
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.119
of the head. It's you know, it's like an unspoken encouragement.

1150
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.920
Shows really shows how far this character has grown from

1151
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:41.079
that purely self interested farringy barkeep from the earlier seasons.

1152
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.480
He shows that you know, he's he's he has the

1153
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.320
same feeling everybody has staying when Starfleet leaves the station,

1154
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.760
he's he's anxious because customers are leaving the bar, but

1155
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:55.440
he's accepting the chaos that's coming, and his decision to

1156
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.480
stay on the station under dominion occupation shows that Quark's

1157
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.440
just he's not all profits agreed, that there really is

1158
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.760
a hero that's kind of underlying all that, And I

1159
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:06.119
just love that little scene.

1160
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.920
As always, listeners, thank you for joining us, and gentlemen,

1161
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:14.400
thank you both for being here. I need another. It

1162
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.840
feels like a long way to go on Deep Space nine,

1163
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.960
but it's it's worth It's well worth it to see

1164
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:23.519
you both. It is. As always, thanks to our listeners

1165
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:26.639
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1166
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.119
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01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.559
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1169
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:38.599
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and release and I'm going back to the beginning and

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reading them for you, giving you the lowdown on which

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books to pick up and which ones should stay on

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the shelf. You can find them on our website at www.

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A Film by podcast dot com and click on the

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articles tab at the top of the page. I hope

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you check them out and happy reading, Wayne.

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I love that you're doing that, Abby too. What are

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my favorite authors you know? Growing up during the Peter

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David run on Incredible Hulk. I love what he had

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done with some of the Trek novels, but that's only

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just a taste of it. So I love that you're

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diving into that. Thanks for thanks for taking that indeed dive,

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I'm looking forward. Thank you digging into that event, and

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if you're looking for more exclusive content and swag, send

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some Latinum R away your Patreon. See you next time

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for another episode of Phaser, Set to stun

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And