Oct. 21, 2025

Phasers Set To Stun: Top 10 Episodes from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Season Two

Phasers Set To Stun: Top 10 Episodes from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Season Two
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Season 6 Phasers Set To Stun

On Phasers Set To Stun, we recognize the popularity of all things Star Trek, with a look at the television shows, animation, movies, and much more!

Our popular "Starter Treks" mini-series is back with a look at Deep Space Nine! Our crew is leaving the bridge and settling in at the Promenade to share the ten episodes you need to see from season two, if you aren't ready to watch all 26 episodes!

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The curated list discussed in today's episode contains the following Star Trek: Deep Space Nine season two episodes:
The Homecoming
The Circle
The Siege
Rules of Acquisition
Necessary Evil
Blood Oath
The Maquis
The Wire
Crossover
The Jem'Hadar

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Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation

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our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows,

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both new and old, to engage in debate about all

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things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt.

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Hello, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stunt. In

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this ongoing series from a film by podcast, we focus

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on every quadrant of the expanding universe of Trek by

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covering television, animation, movies, directors, and more. Applying the chorus

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as always is your Core Trek Crew. I am Scott.

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Hoffman, I'm David Barns, and I'm Wayne Whiten.

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And in this episode, we're continuing with Starter Treks, a

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spoiler free curated episode list of the top ten episodes

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you can watch as a great way to get into

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each series after listening to this episode. You can find

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that list in the description below. And just to be clear,

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we're talking about the ten episodes to watch in the

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order of appearance, not necessarily an order of preference. And

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what are we talking about, Scott Deep Space nine Again,

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you're coming back to us for season two, so crew,

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let's get into it. Dave, I think you're starting us

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off with the Homegoing.

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I Am the season two opening episode and the first

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one of a three part story. A Majoran earpiece arrived

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on board the station, which belongs to a thought to

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be dead but Jordan resistant legend Lee Knollis care Talksis

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Go into letting her go to Cardesia four along with

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Chief O'Brien to see if this individual is alive and

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if so, rescue him. While he's to go to search,

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bajor Is on the verge of civil war as an

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extreamis group called the Circle appears and are beginning to

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cause problems on the station. Their goal to eliminate all

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non Majoran and they are gaining power. This is all

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the reason why everyone hopes Lee n Eilist is indeed

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alive so he can help bring peace and stop this

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internal conflict. Written by Iris, Stephen Behar, and Jerry Taylor

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and directed by Rinnich Kobe. So this is a pretty

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eye opening episode, right, I mean three episodes immediately, which

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I know we're going to dig into a little bit more.

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But what I find very interesting about this episode Franklin Jella,

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for one, who refused any credit for this role because

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apparently he was doing it for his kids, who are

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like huge Star Trek fans. I think that is a

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fantastic move from him. I always like him. He's been

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around a long time, has done a lot of stuff.

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But one of the favorite roles of acquisition is in

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this episode. I laugh hysterically every time every once in

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a while declare, peace infuses the hell out of your enemies,

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And that's true. I love that one so much.

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Yeah, so, I mean this one. I found it really

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interesting because I had forgotten entirely that this is start

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the start of a three parter refresh my memory, like

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next Generation Deep Space nine. We haven't technically had one

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of those yet, have we.

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No, this is the first time there ever been a

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three parter yep.

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And it doesn't necessarily feel like it's setting itself up

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that way like it you know, you don't know that

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it's part one or part two of anything. It just

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bleeds right in. I think it's interesting how it starts

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to set the tone for the long play that Deep

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Space nine leans into really well, that it's going to be.

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a lot of it is made for the long term investment.

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And I don't know, it didn't seem like it was

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drawn out. I was. I was got into the entire trilogy,

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which is part of the reason we're going to talk

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about all three of those from the beginning obviously, But

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and it also gets into a lot of those deep

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political roots of this right about the you know, unrest

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and some gorilla warfare and how people are adjusting to

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the new Majordan government, the new balance of power. Uh. Yeah,

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I think it was a great way to start the season.

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I agree, having a three parter was was a bold

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move because they've never done that before. But this is

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the first time you start feeling that they're moving away

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from that that next generation style of storytelling, you know,

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the the the individual episodes. It gets even more so

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as the series goes by when they have this serialized storyline.

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away from the the monster, the problem of the week,

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and now we're getting more into the political Injure Greek

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and learning a lot more about Beijor it's politics, it's religion.

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It makes for a great season opener. And this is

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a season with a lot of good episodes, and I

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think it started off very strongly.

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This is this is starting to lean towards where we're

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going to get a whole season story arc.

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You see d space that is starting.

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To go that way a little bit, not just yet,

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but it is heading in that direction, which you know

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is a new theme for Star Trek.

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Yep, this is the season where that starts to here

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and you start feeling the bits of story they're starting

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to feed you, the little little seeds that will spring

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out and grow for the rest of the series.

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Yep. Absolutely.

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I know. The one thing that I want to talk

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about was when Cisco was talking to Daxon O'Brien, who

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already knew about Kira's plan. I thought it was funny

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that everybody kept coming in and talking about it, and

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its like, is there anyone on this station who does

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not know about Kira's plan and Cork.

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Well, and it's a good it's a good pull through

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with the end of last season in the hands of

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the prophets. Because what is her name? I hate her

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so much. I mean credit to Louise Fletcher. Louis Fletcher,

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who plays.

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We won't be done with her for a while, but

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but she's it's such she's such a good actor, such

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a great fact that you love it, you love to

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hate her.

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That's that's the mark of a great actor in a

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villain role. Yeah, it's also hard for me to not

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see Franklin Jela as the bad guy from Dave. I'm

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just like, it's always going to be that guy, but

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I just got to turn that off. All right, Well,

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let's move into the next one. The part two of

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this is The Circle.

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Yes, The Circle, written by Peter Allen Fields and directed

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by Corey Allen. In this second part of the three

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episode arc, Major Kira is abruptly reassigned from Deep Space

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nine as political tensions rise on Beijor. While she seeks

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spiritual guidance at a monastery, Vedic Burial helps her uncover

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a plot by the extremist group known as the Circle

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to overthrow the provisional government. Meanwhile, Commander Cisco investigates and

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discovers that the Rebellion is being secretly armed by the

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Cardassians to destabilize Beijor and drive the Federation away. As

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the Circle's force is prepared to attack the station, Kira

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and her allies race to expose the conspiracy before Beijer

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falls into civil war. This like being the second part,

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it really goes on the very strong performances of Nana

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Visitor and Franklin Jella. They really give way to Mean

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Lagella is a big draw for this series. I mean,

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he's a very well known actor, and having him on it,

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even though he's not credited, was a big coup for

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the for the for the producers, for the whole show,

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because you know they are and they're both very strong people.

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You know, Visitor just not get enough credit. She's phenomenal

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as Major Kiara. And this is a really good episode.

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But you know, even more this this episode even goes

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deeper into the political exposition. You know, it shows that

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that shift towards the serialized storytelling, you know, the beginning

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of that style. It's it's a great second part, which

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a lot of times those second parts in a trilogy

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kind of fall flat. This one doesn't.

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Not this one. And as we get to see Cisco's

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baseball for the first time, I yes, that's right. It

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starts making a lot of appearances throughout this season.

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I might add, which I didn't get the connection that

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that was a leftover from last season, from the wasn't

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there holiday character yea, So it's interesting. Yeah, I agree.

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It's a lot of depth you get with Kira in

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this one. You see how much she means to everybody

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on the station as they're they're letting her go. It

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seems like this, you know, legendary war hero is not

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much of a replacement, not really connecting. You can see that,

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you know, kind of his lack of faith in himself

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doesn't really engender a lot of faith in his his character.

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One of the things that struck me, like, the more

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we're talking about, the more we're getting into the circle,

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it's not the It's not the last time we'll see

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this kind of inner faction kind of uh, you know,

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come up as some kind of third force or third

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party in this. We'll have to talk about it when

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we get to the Maquis. But there are parts of

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mereskind like, is this like the start of the Maquis?

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Is this the mini Mocky or.

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Is it spoiler Scott spoilers.

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So for me, as a cinematographer and a guy who

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likes to direct, one of the things I want to

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point out is the director shot the scene in care

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of quarter in one continuous uninterrupted take they edited together,

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showing like some intercut close ups and stuff like that

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and reverse angles, but the master shot of all of

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it was there as one long take. I think that

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was really cool. I love it when directors do that stuff.

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You don't get to see a lot of artistic stuff

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like that in Star Trek.

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And it was neat to get a director actually pulled

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that one off in this one.

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So I wish we had a pity they didn't. Yeah,

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I p it's pitty they didn't keep that, just that

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one long take in there without the close ups, because

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I would have loved to have seen that. I mean,

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that's I love when the directors do that me too.

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And another thing.

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I mentioned this in the season one when we talked

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about Deep Space nine, but I tell you, every time

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Cork just loses it and starts laughing hysterically, I start,

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I start laughing along with him. When he got deputized

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by Odo and in the back I just started busting

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out laughing.

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Yeah, so good.

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I gotta give him credit for acting through those teeth.

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I don't know how that wouldn't take the heck out

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of the inside of your mouth, just all the different

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points I'm sure it was, you know, smooth down and whatnot.

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But man, you think you get and you're going I

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would think.

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So it's got to be he's got to be so

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hard to talk and think he did that for seven years. Yeah,

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absolutely incredible, Yeah, it really is.

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And to perform as good as he does, that's that's yeah.

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Yeah, all right.

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Well. Rounding out the third part is The Siege that's

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written by Michael Pillar and directed by Winrick Colby. Cisco

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and the Federation are forced to make a difficult choice.

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They could drive them out of d S nine, but

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they won't leave without a fight. With families and non

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essential personnel evacuated, they make a stand against Bajoran forces

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being manipulated by the Circle. Meanwhile, a reluctant Bajoran war

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hero but finally believes in himself enough to live up

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to his own legend and help the DS nine crew

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on Bajor, Kira and Dash find an old shuttle that

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takes them to the heart the Circle with evidence that

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could turn the tide. It's a strong conclusion to a

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three part opening that sets the tone for the season

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and possibly for the rest of the series. I don't

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know if either of you were a fan of Wings, Yeah,

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the show and it was out, so yeah, seeing Steven

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Weber as Colonel Day maybe happy in this one.

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He was, he was that show was still running when

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this was area it was I thought that was yeah,

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that was like ninety seven or eighty eight, So yeah,

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he was well known then at that time.

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guerrilla tactics they employed with this one, kind of hiding

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in Jeffrey, to Jeffrey's tubes and trying to fight back

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for the station. It's kind of hard to talk about

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this part of the trilogy without you knowing spoiling things. Yeah, yeah,

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more than I already have.

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character again here. You know, we talked about him last

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season in What Heed the character he shows with Son

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and stuff like it. But for the Station, this author

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shows his character as well. Because and I'm trying not

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to give anything away obviously because we're spoiler free here

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with this, but I mean the fact that the federations

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that you go get out of there, we're done, you

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pull pull your team out, and.

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He was like, I'm not doing that, I'm sorry.

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buy into that. You know, I won't fault anybody for

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you leaving, but then obviously we know what happens. I

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just think that was really shows how strong of a

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commander Cisco is.

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I totally agree. It's not the last time we'll see

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kind of a big, rousing speech from Cisco. And I

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think that's one of the powerful things about Avery Brooks

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is that you see a lot of the respect that

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he commands and a lot of the powerful stature that

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he has. There's a lot of great balance in there.

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he hands a letter to Jake that seems very conversational.

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He's basically saying, I might not ever speak to you again.

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So I put all this in this letter. H that's

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a big thing for anybody to say to anybody, let

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alone a father raising a son, alone to a young

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teenage son.

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So there's even a lion there.

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it says, dying get you off the hook, living for

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your people and I don't remember the rest of it,

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but I just thought that was a very powerful line

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that was given.

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You know, it's true, I feel now, you know, they

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it feels like the writers now have a grasp on

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what they're planning on doing with with Cisco. It felt

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a little rough during the first season with his character. Now,

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you know, especially with this episode, it feels like they

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finally got the hang of it. They know what they're doing.

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They made him a strong leader and you know, a

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strong commander of the station. And this episode, I don't

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know if you guys noticed, has probably the largest cast

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that I've ever seen on in one of these shows.

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Almost everybody is in this episode. You know, we got

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the entire regular cast, which is rather odd. Usually one

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or two are missing, but you've got you know, Ross

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and Chow's there, Max, Greta Chik, Aaron Eisenberg, Haiti Hayti,

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Philip Englin, Louise Fletcher. They're all there, all there, the

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secondary casts to it. It could make for a very

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very crowded episode, but it doesn't. They all feel natural,

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They all feel like they should be there. It's it's

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a great ending to the three parter. I remember when

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this first aired and watching it, I think this really

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made me fall in love with Deep Space nine because

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I wasn't sure about the first season. I really wasn't sure.

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It just felt like a copy of the next generation,

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like you know, you know, But now it's it's come

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into its own and I just remember loving this three

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part and loving this ending.

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So as with any TV series, season one is going

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to be a little rough. Okay, a lot of your

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characters you don't know where they're going to go yet,

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you don't know how you're going to develop them yet.

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But when you get to season two, you start to

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see that a little bit more, and you're right, this

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is where we're starting to see a lot of these

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characters start to shine, and they're starting to really start

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develop that chemistry together, and you see it with everybody. Practically,

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we're getting to know the characters obviously for one, but

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you're getting to see them get to know one another

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and start to.

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As actors even perform better with each other. Wayne, you

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know as well as I do.

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I was a bigger Babylon five fan than I was

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Deep Space nine at this time. A lot of my

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attention was on Babylon five at this time, and that's

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gonna come up a little bit.

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We'll talk about that in an episode that I'm going

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to discuss.

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But I so watching it now, Deep Space nine, you know,

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with you know what I know that I remember back then,

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I can see why I was aggravated with Deep Space nine.

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Then I was Babbelon five. But now in the future

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of me seeing it, look, looking back in hindsight, both

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of them were great shows.

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They really are.

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I should have given Deep Base nine a little bit

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more effort in my opinion.

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two shows. They were airing exactly the same time, and

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you know, during the first season, Deep Space nine just

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basically gave us more of what we saw in the

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Next Generation, which isn't a bad thing, but it's not

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anything original or Babylon five was given this blow away,

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you know, continuing storyline, things that we'd never seen before.

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So yeah, a lot of people were moving over to that.

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But I think this is the season where people started

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paying attention more to Deep Space not I think, because

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you know, by the end of this series, some people

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consider this and still do to this day, their favorite

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Star Trek series. And I can see why.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Well, we go from the seriousness of a very heavy

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three parter to Rules of Acquisition, which goes in a

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different total direction.

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Yeah, and this episode is really important, so I'm not

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really spoiling any things, but I'm going to give a

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little little bit of hints to what's going on in

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the In the episode, this is written by Hillary J.

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Bader and Iarin Stephen Baer and directed by David Livingston.

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Cork is chosen by Grand vegas Zek to negotiate the

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first Farringi business deal with the mysterious Gamma quadrant specie

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known as the Do Side. When Quark's new assistant Pell

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proves unusually skilled and ambitious, he is unaware that Pell

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is secretly a woman, defying strict Fringi law that forbid

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females from earning profit. As their partnership deepens, Pelle fells

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in love with Quark, and her secret threatens to unravel

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both their fortunes and reputations. There are two really important

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things to take out of this episode, which is why

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I kind of pushed for this to be included this

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in these top ten and the it's not really spoilers,

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if you know, but it's very important for the viewers

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to notice these things. Of course, the first is, of course,

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they're the character of the hell and how her her

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appearance pushes the development of the Fringi culture in Star Trek.

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You know, we've known that the Fringi women are not

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allowed to wear clothing, they're not led to have jobs

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or money, because this was established all the way back

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when the Feringi first appeared in the last outposts, back

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in Next Generation. So you know, that makes it really

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hard to show Fringy females on the screen, you know,

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if they have to be naked. You know this this

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was a clever way of bringing that side of their

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culture onto the show without having the the Spencers coming

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after them, really, you know. Plus then you also got

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the first mention of the governing force in the Gama quadrant,

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you know, called the Dominion, which is just a drop

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away mentioned here, which is why I'm not considering really

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it ailer spoiler, It'll become very much important, very much

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more important. You need to pay attention to that. But

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you know, I think, well, what I like the most

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is about this episode is it is played for comedy,

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but there's a lot of a lot of charm to

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the performance, especially between armand Shimmerman and their guest actress

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Helene Eddie who plays Hell. She puts a lot of humanity,

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humanity into her character, you know. And I like the

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way that Quirk is torn between his feelings for her

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and the culture, you know what he's been led to believe,

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you know. It's it's a standalone episode this season, but

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it's a very important one for the series as a whole.

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Udi was amazing as Pal For one. I loved her

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performance in this and she really shined and gave us

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that side of the FERRINGI that we haven't seen before,

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and I thought that was very, very impressive just on

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her part. Having wal as Shawan back a Zach is incredible.

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I love Wallace Sean, but the character of zek Is

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is hysterical to himself, especially the whole flirting and stuff

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that he was doing throughout the episode. But for the

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love of God, because police cut the hair out of

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his ears, that is disgusting, okay, foul and disgusting, all right.

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I love the way he screams and yells when he

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finds out that pells a wart. I think that's so hilarious.

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I also want to point out Brian Thompson, who plays

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in Glatu. I anytime I get an opportunity because I

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want to make a stab at Dayton at podcast.

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I mean, is the fact that he was in night Slash.

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He was nice slasher in Cobra.

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I love to keep pointing out Cobra favorite of yes,

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a favorite document something.

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That's why I keep pointing that out.

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But another thing I really want to point out too

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is Quark's outfit in.

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This is awesome.

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It is awesome, the whole different colors and it just

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it was vibrant and it really spoke to his character.

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I loved it.

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Yeah, I think, yeah, the development of the Ferringe is

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very interesting. And I would just say, and I think

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I'm talking to Jeff when I say this, be patient.

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I know that things like zex Zex's character is very

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creating on purpose. I mean, he has his ear hair

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groomed right. It should be hard to watch. But there's

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a lot of a lot of great depth that's building

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in this, a lot of great comedy, but it's also

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a very important look at a species that could have

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just been a throwaway of you know, fur vests and whips. Right.

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This this is just a great example of how much

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how much opportunity there is for it, not just in

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comedy but as a species. There's a lot of great writing.

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With a Frankie here, yeah, I agree.

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I want to also bring up that, you know, this

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episode was nominated for an Emmy Award for the Best Makeup.

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It didn't win, but it has some there's some great

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makeup in this. And also when this episode first aired,

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they's misspelled the title of the episode wrong. On screen.

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They corrected it, so if you watch it streaming, it's correct.

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But back then you if all of us old trekkers,

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if you have videotapes, go back there and check the

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acquisition is a spell right?

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Oops?

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Well quality and sixty six always up, Jack, Yes, quality

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control people come on now, all.

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Right, everybody, Well, before we get into the next episode,

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let's take a quick break, and when we come back,

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Dave will tell us about the next episode. All right,

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we're back. Dave tell us about Necessary Evil.

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Which I'm gonna say is my favorite episode of season

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two by Flora, written by Peter Allen Fields and Robert Hewitt, Wolf,

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directed by James Conway. Cork is visiting woman named Paua

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on Beijor negotiating, he learns she wants him to retrieve

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a strong box on the station that she can't do

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herself because of a murder investigation from the past which

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Odo was working on. Upon retrieving the strong box, Cork

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and Rahm can't hold back their curiosity and open it,

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revealing a list of AJR names. The list is forced

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from Quark's hand by an intruder and he is shot.

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Doctor BSh year racist to save his life while Odo

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questions rom which leads him back down the same path

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of investigation that he was doing years ago for Gold

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to Cod.

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So I absolutely love.

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This episode for many reasons. One the flashback sequences that

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we get, because the way they are able to make

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that station, change it around and make it look cold

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and unwelcomeing I thought was brilliant. But the other scene

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that I loved, and this is a cut an edit

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that they did, is when Odo types in the password

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of that room and the camera switches to the inside

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and it's immediately a flashback on how they cut that

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together when he walks into the room. I love that

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so damn much. But the other thing that I love

470
00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:50.599
about this episode is again Nana Visitor Holy crap. Does

471
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:53.440
Sheep pull out one hell of a performance in here?

472
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.799
You know, get we get to see some of these

473
00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:58.160
characters that we've already got to know the last season

474
00:24:58.160 --> 00:24:58.559
and a half.

475
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.799
Well not really half yet, but I guess it's close enough.

476
00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:03.480
We get to see them meet for the first time here,

477
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:08.039
and you know, the way we meet Kiara and Odo,

478
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.680
it's kind of like strange at first, like this is

479
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.160
how they met and it is and it's it's awkward

480
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.000
at first, and then you see how much growth these

481
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.359
two characters have had over the years.

482
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.160
Before we even met them. It's just so.

483
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.240
Intriguing and interesting and where they're going to go And

484
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.839
I just I loved this character and I'm going to

485
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.839
go back to something else rom scream.

486
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:35.000
I still laugh about that.

487
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:39.200
Yeah, it almost seems like it's non stop, Yeah, right,

488
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:40.960
like you have to hit a button to turn it

489
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:45.039
off or something. I totally agree. It's such an important

490
00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:51.160
episode to understand more about Odo and Kira's relationship. It's

491
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.480
a great look back at what the station was like

492
00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.160
before it is what it is today. Because I would

493
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.000
say at this point it's a they had to fix

494
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:00.519
a lot of things, but I would say it's a

495
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.519
fairly vibrant, lively place. It has to be. It should

496
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:07.400
be kind of a way station. Total opposite when you

497
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.400
see the flashbacks, I think the first scene where we

498
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.839
see Kira in a flashback is very emotionally powerful, and

499
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.319
I'd say the last scene that we see with her

500
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.160
is equally as powerful, if not more so. I love

501
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.920
the fact that it also gives us some history into

502
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:25.799
Odo's career. It's basically the beginning of his career as

503
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:30.160
a as an investigator. And interesting how he has a

504
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.119
reaction to the word constable. Yeah, even though that's how

505
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.000
everybody usually refers to him.

506
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.279
Yeah, it's this is real. So it's really an important

507
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.960
episode too, especially for those flashbacks, you know, like you said,

508
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.039
we get to see Odo's first a meeting with Kira

509
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:50.599
and Quark and Goldecott. But more so, this episode is

510
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:55.519
probably one of the most atmospheric, more most complex episodes

511
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.559
of the season. It's so well done, and mainly because

512
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.759
of Renee and and Nana's performances. They are so strong,

513
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.680
such such complex human you know characters there. You know,

514
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.720
neither one of them or human now said that word,

515
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.240
but it really this episode shapes Odo.

516
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.000
It does shapes hit her.

517
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.400
His personality, you know, the way he interacts with all

518
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:24.200
the other characters makes him very more morally. It justifies

519
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:28.039
everything that he has become, you know, really solidifies himself,

520
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:32.079
his reputation for you know, for what he does. It's

521
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:37.039
it's a great characters storyline or it's not storyline character

522
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:40.039
episode that you don't want to skip this one. This

523
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.400
one's no nominally good.

524
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.640
Episode, one of the best, and we're starting to get

525
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.480
to realize that Rom is not a complete buffoon, right,

526
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.759
You're getting to see that he's got some smarts behind him,

527
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.640
especially when it comes to mechanical and technical knowledge.

528
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.079
So I'm glad they're setting that up. Mm hm.

529
00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.200
So I think it's It's also an interesting one that

530
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:04.519
could bear a rewatch because I remember being kind of

531
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.880
surprised by this one and thinking back to what I

532
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.359
had just seen, even going back to the beginning of

533
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:14.000
the episode, it almost sets itself up as a murder mystery. Yeah,

534
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.880
and it even took me a little while to figure

535
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.599
out the resolution at the end. All right. The next

536
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.200
one is also very interesting and deep digs into history

537
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.400
of another character at this time, Jedzia.

538
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.079
Das All right.

539
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.839
So this episode is called blood Oath. It's written by

540
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:34.079
Peter Allen Fields and directed by Winrick Colby. An agent

541
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.759
Klingon Legend staggers into DS nine, finding himself lost without

542
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.359
purpose and reliving glory days in a hollow suite and

543
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.400
a drugkens tuber. Shortly after, another agent Clingon arrives with

544
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.039
a kinship and a sense of disgust at his weary friend.

545
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.559
What Dax discovers as a third Klingon arrives is that

546
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.759
this trio shares a blood oath, one that Curzon joined

547
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.799
and she's now beholden too. Their blood oath takes them

548
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.400
on a quest for justice that dives deep into Dax's

549
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.599
history and that jed Zy you can stand her ground

550
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.200
alongside anyone in battle anytime. It's an episode that will

551
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.039
come pretty important to her character and a great look

552
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:14.440
into her past and her future. I love seeing Dax's

553
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.720
history and I love how much focus they gave, how

554
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.400
much room they gave to explore that in this episode.

555
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:21.240
Mm hmm.

556
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:25.039
Terry Farrell, I think always does an amazing job. Yes,

557
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.640
there is one stand up performance in here, and I

558
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.079
could not shake it, and I was trying to place

559
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.279
it for the longest time. The voice the character of

560
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:40.359
Kang played by Michael and Sarah. And let me just

561
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:44.519
ask before I say who it is. Did did you

562
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.400
you have the same kind of feeling like I know

563
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.240
that voice you to get it? Did you have to

564
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:51.119
look it up? No?

565
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.200
I didn't have to look it up. I realized it.

566
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.960
I don't know about third or fourth time he was

567
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.799
on screen. It hit me then, like, oh crap, I

568
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.759
knew that voice.

569
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.920
Yes, God, the chilling voice of mister Freeze from Batman.

570
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.720
I forgot about that. I guess I just remember him

571
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:09.680
from Buck Rogers.

572
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.079
Oh No, that was a totally different place. But yeah,

573
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.240
oh my god. The voice delivery in this one, David,

574
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:21.440
Am I right? It sounds very very similar. It's always

575
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.880
to mister Freeze. It's just it's just as powerful here

576
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.359
as it is there. I think all the Cleons do

577
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:38.559
a great job. William Campbell, John Kalicos that play kind

578
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.799
of this this trio. They do a great job of

579
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.400
kind of challenging whether or not that should even be

580
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:49.880
involved and ultimately bringing her along for uh to kind

581
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.680
of satisfy this quest. It's hard to talk about it

582
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.039
without getting into spoilers, but it's definitely a worthwhile episode

583
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.880
to dive into a bit more of Clingon culture and

584
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:00.480
a lot more of Daxon history.

585
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.880
We all three of those actors are from the original

586
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.920
Star Trek. Yeah, let's let's playing play king that they

587
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:10.160
played Kingons. Yeah, John Clickers was an errand of Murphy

588
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.599
in sixty seven, William Campbell was in the Trouble with

589
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.599
Tribbles in sixty seven, and mikel and Sarah was in

590
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.440
Day at the Dove in nineteen sixty eight. So it's

591
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.279
really neat that they're bringing them back in this which

592
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:21.920
is really cool.

593
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:23.000
But they don't look the same.

594
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.240
No, they do not look the same. Not even clothes.

595
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.000
Much was different, Yeah, much much, A lot more pad.

596
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:28.720
A lot more hair.

597
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.640
Yes. Yeah.

598
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.039
And one thing I pulled from this episode is the

599
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:34.319
line I'm going to use a lot. It's been a

600
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:35.839
Klingon afternoon.

601
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.759
That it has for a couple of months. Yeah, yes,

602
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:42.319
that's true.

603
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.519
This would be the end we see them. Yeah, I

604
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.200
want to bring out that. You know, while we see

605
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.279
these three Klingons, two of them do return to Star

606
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.160
Trek later on to play those characters. You know, we

607
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.920
got Colicos returns later two more times in the series,

608
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.440
and King appears in Voyager the episode Flashback. But there's

609
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.240
one other person. I don't know if you guys pointed

610
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.839
him out. It's such a small part here. Christopher Collins

611
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.920
appears in this episode. Is one of his final performances

612
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.039
that he ever did before he passed away a little

613
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.000
about just about two months after this. You know, he's

614
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.400
a he's a very familiar voice. If anyone's ever watched

615
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.880
G I, Joe or Transformers.

616
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:22.279
Oh, yeah, that's true.

617
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.000
I'm sure they have. I know we have.

618
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.279
Actually we should talk about that sometimes.

619
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.400
Yeah, sometimes, right, I do.

620
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.160
I do want to point out the scene between Dax

621
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.559
and Kane was incredible. I love that the dialogue between

622
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.440
the two of them when they were first when he

623
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.960
finally realized that she needs to go with them, you know,

624
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.319
it was that that conversation that he didn't want anything

625
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.920
to do with it, and then him I mean, Dak's

626
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.119
basically telling this is why I need to go. This

627
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.759
is you know, and I just thought that was very,

628
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:56.400
very impressive. But it's almost it's almost like she's stepping

629
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.640
on the toes of the courtroom drama that we had

630
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.559
last season. You know, wait a minute, You're not that

631
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:06.039
person anymore. You're a different Perth. And so wait a minute, right, yeah,

632
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.000
you know, but now I thought that was a really

633
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.920
good thing, great episode.

634
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.839
All right, let's get into the next one, I think

635
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:13.640
when you've got.

636
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.319
This, yes, and this would be The Maque, which is

637
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.759
a two parter written by Rick Berman, Michael Pillar, Jerry Taylor,

638
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.559
and James Crocker. Part one was directed by David Livingston

639
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.799
and part two was directed by Corey Allen. Tingins erupt

640
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.079
when a Cardassian freighter is destroyed, leading to accusations that

641
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:37.880
Federation colonists are turning to terrorism. Commander Cisco travels to

642
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.319
the Border region and discovers that disillusioned Federation citizens, frustrated

643
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.200
with Starfleet's and ability to protect them, have formed a

644
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.079
resistance group called the Mackee. As he tries to mediate

645
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.319
between the colonists and the Kardashians, Cisco learns that a

646
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:56.599
Starfleet officer, Lieutenant Commander Calvin Hudson, his old friend, is

647
00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:00.680
secretly leading the rebels. The Crisis Force assisto to confront

648
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.920
the growing cracks and the Federation's ideals, and the beginning

649
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.559
of a dangerous conflict that threatens both peace and loyalty. Now,

650
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.920
this this two parter which aired back in April twenty

651
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.119
fifth and May second of nineteen ninety four, which that's important.

652
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:18.480
I brought up these states because this is very important,

653
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.719
not just to the continuing storyline of d Space nine,

654
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.800
but it's really important because it sets up the groundwork

655
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.519
to the upcoming series Star Trek Voyager, which starts, you know,

656
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.199
at the beginning of the next year, like seven months later.

657
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.599
Plus you know this story would also carry on into

658
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.159
the Next Generation. You know, we got the episode called

659
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:41.239
Preemptive Strike, which aired two weeks later after this. You know,

660
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.880
this this is such an important two parter. That's why

661
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.639
we've we've chosen this one and you need to watch

662
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.079
both parts to get the whole point, because you know,

663
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.719
you can't you can't skip this one. It's a great episode,

664
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:00.800
really really good Commander Cisco episode. But you know it's

665
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.760
it's got some great guest stars. Richard Poe as Golly

666
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.880
Beck is back. He's he's Pops in all the most

667
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.199
all this series. You know, he was on Next Generation's

668
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.239
Journey in he would be in Predemptive Strike, and then

669
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:18.199
he would appear in Caretaker Voyagers Pilots. But I love

670
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.079
this episode. I remember when it first aired, it was

671
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.719
really strong. I knew then that they were setting up

672
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.239
for something big, and it proved out I was right.

673
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:29.840
Well, I mean, this two part is really important because

674
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.320
again you're seeing the conflict between the Cardathians, the Federation

675
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.880
and the Maajorans, you know. So, I mean, if you

676
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.519
didn't have this episode, you'd be kind of lost of

677
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.360
what's going on with the Monkey. So it's vital that

678
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.320
this two parters, and I'm glad that we grouped it

679
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.639
together as one because both parts are very, very important,

680
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.159
you know, to be seen. But I do want to

681
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.440
point out John Chuck Wayne.

682
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.519
Yes, that's to cling On.

683
00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:00.760
In the Undiscovered Country and the Voyage Home. Somebody else

684
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.119
that we recently met Michael Bell.

685
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.199
Oh, yes, we met him a couple months ago, didn't we.

686
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.519
Yeah, he plays I know him as Duke and g

687
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.519
I Joe the voice in g I Joe obviously, but

688
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.320
he's done Transformers, He's done lots of stuff, but he

689
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.000
didn't I believe with the character's name, I'm in this

690
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:20.440
so no, I mean, these.

691
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:23.920
Two partners is vital. So there's definitely why.

692
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.920
We picked these, Yeah, and that makes sense to you know.

693
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.039
Like I said before, the Circle kind of sets a

694
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.159
little bit of a tone for this kind of idea,

695
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.599
so that we had another kind of a compound pair

696
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.559
of episodes with us. I think Brendan case it does

697
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.400
a great job as Commander Hudson. It's great to show

698
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:48.159
kind of the the conflict that that Starfleet officers have

699
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.199
to get undergo when they're facing issues related to the backy,

700
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.239
but also when there are connections with you know, people

701
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.840
in their past and trying to see the different perspectives there.

702
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.119
It's also a great pairing of Goldencott and Cisco as

703
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.000
kind of reluctant partners in a lot of situations, which

704
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.760
is a dynamic that I love to see because it's

705
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:15.559
almost like whatever situation they're in, there's always this subtle

706
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.719
little debate that neither one of them ever seems to win.

707
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:24.679
But it's great dialogue. It's a great pair of actors

708
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.519
going back and forth through a lot of dialogue that

709
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.000
just works together really really well. And to put the

710
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.039
two of them in a small space like a shuttlecraft

711
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.679
really kind of brings that to light. I think that's

712
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.639
one thing that DS nine does really well. Is the

713
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.719
only ships they have, the only transport is these are

714
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.880
these runabouts, So most of the scenes have to take

715
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.840
place in this kind of cramped conditions, cramped quarters, and

716
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.639
it just seems like a good setting for that kind

717
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:58.280
of internsal dynamic wherever it kind of pops up.

718
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.280
Absolutely, this is a great and one of the very

719
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:07.119
few examples of the producers using their advantage the fact

720
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.079
that there are two Star Trek series airing at the

721
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:11.960
same time. You know, like I said before, they're planning

722
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:16.760
these seeds that would sprout later on. You know, when

723
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.440
the show first appeared, when Deep Space nine first started airing,

724
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.039
we were hoping for this, this more connection, these crossovers

725
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.679
to the series, and they did a really good job

726
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:30.000
of you know, planting this whole makey idea and letting

727
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.239
it you know, grow throughout this season and on. You know,

728
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.559
we got the first bits were shown on the Next

729
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.239
Generation and Journey's end, but they weren't mentioned. We really

730
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.519
didn't know because they hadn't been formed yet. Now Here

731
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.719
we got the full two parter where we learn about them.

732
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.840
But then it continues on again in the Next Generation,

733
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.119
and then it continus in Voyager. It's it's it's a

734
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:53.880
great idea. It's too bad they didn't do this more. Really,

735
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.360
you know, plant these storylines to continue over through the

736
00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.320
different series. You don't now don't don't get me wrong.

737
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.039
You don't have to go and watch those other episodes.

738
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.719
It's not important to watch the other ones. It's just

739
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.000
nice that there's these connections making the whole Star Trek

740
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:09.159
universe feel like one.

741
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.239
That's fair. Well, while we're on the topic of very

742
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:19.079
important yet kind of a darker tone episode, dave I

743
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:19.960
wanted to talk about The.

744
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.760
Wire, written by Robert Hewett Wolf and directed by Kim Friedman,

745
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.400
the first female director of deepse Base nine, and the

746
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.239
fact they were so impressed with her they would bring

747
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.199
her back some for some major episodes. Later on, Cardassian

748
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.880
Garrick is with doctor Bisher heading to lunch as they

749
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.039
do once a week, when he starts acting a peculiar

750
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.760
and begins to fall ill, but denies any help, leaving

751
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.679
a very confused but year. It isn't long until Grek

752
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:48.119
has another attack and is quickly taken to the infirmary,

753
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:52.599
whereupon an examination, Bishier discovers Gerek has an implant that

754
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.360
has been placed in his brain by a group known

755
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:58.079
as the Obsidian Order. This implanet device prevents the person

756
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.920
it is in from giving away any secret and being interrogated.

757
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.679
Gerrik is declining, and to make matters worse, he begins

758
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:07.000
to speak of stories of his past, which are quite contradictory,

759
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.320
but Shure begs him to allow him to try and

760
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.840
save his life by removing the device while also doing

761
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.800
what he can to get a better understanding of who

762
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.519
he is. Yeah, this is a really unique episode, A

763
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.159
very good besher episode, I might add, Really we really

764
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.440
get to see him and his character really start developing.

765
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.119
We'll get a little bit more of that later on

766
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:29.679
at the end of the season, which I know we're

767
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.920
going to discuss, but I think this is a vital

768
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.400
basher episode for one thing. But I think this is

769
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:40.760
the first time Cardassia Prime is mentioned in this series.

770
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.960
And I have to say that Andrew Robinson, who plays Gerrick,

771
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.320
I think he did a fantastic job in this role.

772
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:52.519
His performance of you know, going back and forth of

773
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.000
you know, the different stories and stuff like that, and

774
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.480
you know, it's hard to fake pain, and I thought

775
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.880
he did a really good job of showing that on screen.

776
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:03.440
But I love the fact that we get to see

777
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.480
Bashir standing up against Odo. I thought that was something cool.

778
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.480
She doesn't usually do that, So getting to see that

779
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:12.800
in his character, it's like, all right, you go vi here.

780
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.199
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a welcome departure from

781
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:21.880
his role and like move along home, yeah, against screaming

782
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.960
to himself. Right, it just seems to be this guy

783
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.920
that you know, can never get, can never get with somebody.

784
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.480
I love the fact that they have this. This is

785
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:37.760
an important relationship between Grik and Bashir that you'll see

786
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.800
throughout the rest of the series, an important setup of

787
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:46.719
the element of kind of secret orders, like the Obsidian Order,

788
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.760
like Section thirty one, things that will come up a

789
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.280
lot later. So it's definitely important to watch for those

790
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.760
kind of reasons. But I absolutely agree the performance by

791
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:02.000
Andrew Robinson here going through his very pleasant demeter kind

792
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.719
of that disarming you don't quite know if you can

793
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.719
trust him, but it seems like he really wants to

794
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.840
win you over to somebody who seems to be going through,

795
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.639
you know, addiction kind of withdrawals. Very very interesting direction

796
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.519
here too. In the in the particular scene where she

797
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:22.800
is trying to help Garrick, even though Grek doesn't necessarily

798
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:24.679
want his help. And it's hard enough to say it

799
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:30.480
too much without spoilers, but just trust us. Very important episode,

800
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.239
a lot of powerful performances, but that will that will

801
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:36.840
become very important as the series progresses.

802
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.159
I mentioned earlier that I would get back to talking

803
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.039
about Babylon five a little bit, and this is the

804
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.079
episode to talk about it. Because the Obsidian Order was

805
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.679
actually ariginally called the Gray Order, but the creators of

806
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.039
Star Trek realized that Babylon five was introducing a group

807
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.440
called the Gray Council, so they felt like they were

808
00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:57.639
going to be stepping on some toes, so they decided

809
00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.360
to change the name when and that's what.

810
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:00.800
They came up with, City in Order.

811
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:03.440
Yeah, that would have been too close, Yes it was.

812
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:06.800
I remember there was a certain time when there was

813
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:11.039
Deep Space nine, Babylon five, and sequest DSV and I

814
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.920
was like, wait a second, and all three of them. Yeah.

815
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.880
This this is a really good, strong, important episode for

816
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:26.440
the relationship of Bashir and Garrett, but such an important

817
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.000
episode for Garrick because before you know, I always felt

818
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.960
when he first appeared last season and throughout he felt

819
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.000
more like a Guianan character to me, you know, one

820
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.760
that would just pop up and just to you know,

821
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.000
give some exposition or or move the storyline for just

822
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:44.960
a hair, just give it a nudge. But he never

823
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.440
really had any any of importance to the actual whole

824
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.920
Deep Space nine storyline. This episode, we've got more background

825
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.920
to him, you know. He it's a whole completely different

826
00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.119
performance from from him. It's it's so important because he

827
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.400
becomes an incredibly important character for the rest of the series.

828
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:10.599
And we're also introduced to his mentor, and who was

829
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.280
played by another actor, Paul Doodle. He's been in practically everything.

830
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.719
Is a fantastic actor. I remember him on the TV

831
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:24.400
series ALF That's what I remember him. But he's great

832
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:27.320
and we'll see more of him next season two. But

833
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.719
good episode, good, good Garrick episode.

834
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:33.199
All right, Well, before we get into our last two,

835
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.360
I think maybe we'll take another little break and we'll

836
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.119
come back. We'll talk about some familiar territory, going back

837
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.800
to the original series. All right, we're back. So, like

838
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.679
I said, this is this The next episode is one

839
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.039
that goes back to the original series. It's called Crossover.

840
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.159
Written by Peter Allen Fields and directed by David Livingson.

841
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.599
Kia and Basher are traveling home from the Gabon Quadron

842
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.119
when a shuttle malfunction takes them to an unexpectedly familiar place,

843
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.400
the Mirror Universe, although it's far from what we saw

844
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.159
in Kirk's adventure. The Terran Empire has weakened, which leads

845
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.760
to a new power form by an alliance between the Majorians,

846
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.760
the Klingons, and the Kardassians. Near the top of this

847
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.840
power structure is a dark version of Kira, who thrives

848
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.840
on cruelty and torture. The stranded duo have to weave

849
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.599
their way through several surprising versions of their closest friends

850
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.599
to find a way back to their own universe. Very

851
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:29.400
hard to talk about so many thesis episodes about spoiling things.

852
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:30.079
It is hard.

853
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.599
Yeah, but this is one of the kind of the

854
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:39.280
the apex of performance by Nana Visitor because she gets

855
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.840
to do it twice. We get the Mirror Universe version

856
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:48.840
of her obviously, and as the the Intendant is that

857
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:52.360
what they call her? Yeah, she has so she seems

858
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.360
to be having so much fun with.

859
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.760
That outfit outfit right, and the bathtub scene.

860
00:45:58.760 --> 00:45:59.760
Oh yeah, oh.

861
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:05.000
Yeah, easy, easy, But no, I mean, like every single

862
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.960
performance she seems to be every single scene that she's in,

863
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.639
she's in total control and to be having, you know,

864
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:16.599
a dialogue with herself, that's not easy. So we got

865
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.280
to give a lot of respect the Navista for that.

866
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:24.639
And it's it's an entertaining episode because it harkens back

867
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.079
to that near universe and that's been a big important

868
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.239
thing since original series. It's come up a lot of

869
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.320
other times. It's always a fun time, but this one

870
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:36.639
is an interesting look at how things have could have

871
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:41.280
could have gone in another direction. It's also interesting to

872
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:46.199
see how despite Kirk's best intentions with trying to possibly

873
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.159
turn some things in the original series, it didn't really

874
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:49.920
work out the way.

875
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.239
That he wanted to. So was it just me or

876
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.440
was Odo scary y?

877
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.599
Yes, he was like frighteningly scary, like he had complete

878
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:03.159
control of everything down there, And man, I tell you, there's.

879
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:06.360
No way I would want to cross that guy. No way.

880
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.280
Well, it's it's almost interesting if you watch this back

881
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.199
to back with necessary evil, you know, not that I

882
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.639
think it's just one bad day away would turn him

883
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.360
into this other character. But you know, you could see how,

884
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.639
you know, with some manipulation, how that could have been

885
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:22.079
the case.

886
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.599
And I feel, i mean, you know, the rest how

887
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.199
the rest of the series goes. I mean, I know

888
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:32.039
the new viewers don't, but when you look at where

889
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.920
Odo's from and what he could have been, had you know,

890
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.400
history different, he could have been very much like that,

891
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.920
you really think about, you know, where he could have been.

892
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:47.880
Well, and when we get into other things that we

893
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:53.000
discover about his species, how if he makes a certain

894
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.360
big decision related to that species, the you know, could

895
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.840
that possibly turn him in a different direction. We'll see

896
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:03.960
a lot of that play out. Just wait for season three.

897
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:04.760
Yeah.

898
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.000
One of the things I got from walking away from

899
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.480
this episode is I realized there is just like our Wayne.

900
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:12.679
He knows his music and composers.

901
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.239
One of the subtle things about this and is the

902
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:25.400
relationship between Mirror Cisco and Mirror O'Brien, the.

903
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.079
Smiley Smiley O'Brien.

904
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.039
Oh, that kind of made my skin crawl a little bit.

905
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.239
Every time I called him Smiley.

906
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.960
I was like, well, Cisco makes your skin crawl.

907
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:41.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a Cisco without Jake, right,

908
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.000
with a lot of other decisions to take him into

909
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:44.719
an evil place.

910
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:48.280
But you know, speaking of Jake, you know, it's not

911
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:53.119
unusual for Jake Cisco not to appear in an episode,

912
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.559
because he only appeared in like half of him last season.

913
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.679
But you know, we see the mirror universe in many

914
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:02.400
of the different TV series and media and stuff, and

915
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:07.320
there's always mere universe duplicates of the characters, all the characters.

916
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:09.840
We know. He is one of the very few, if

917
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.199
not the only character that doesn't have a mere universe

918
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:17.400
duplicate because he was never born. Yeah, because Cisco in

919
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.320
a different way. It's it's kind of unusual, but interesting.

920
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.280
I found that interesting. That did point out that you

921
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.199
know he's doing. And also this this episode went through

922
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.480
some very last minute rewrites too. Wharf was supposed appear

923
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.719
in this episode, but they couldn't get Michael Dorn because

924
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:36.559
he was filming all good things the finale, so they

925
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.480
had to shift the parts around and they gave all

926
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.280
the Wharf's lines to Garrick and gave all the Garrick's

927
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.440
lines to a new character. But it was a last

928
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.400
minute thing. It's interesting to know, to think about what

929
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.800
would have happened and what may not have happened later

930
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:50.679
on if you appeared in this episode.

931
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.079
Right, Boilers, Wayne spoilers.

932
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:54.679
I'm trying not to. Oh, I think I just go up.

933
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.679
So let's move on to the next EP episode. I

934
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.199
think wigh In lessens.

935
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:06.159
Yours yes, and it's no surprise that it's the season finale.

936
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:10.440
The jim Hadar, written by Iris Stephen Bear and directed

937
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.119
by Kim Freeman. Commander Cisco takes Jake, Nogg, and Cork

938
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.280
on a camping trip to the Gamma Quadrant for some

939
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:22.119
relaxation away from the station. Their outing turns perilous as

940
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:26.719
they encounter interests a mysterious alien woman claiming to have

941
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.760
escaped from a brutal warrior race known as the jim Adar.

942
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:33.719
After Cisco and the others are captured, the Jimidar reveal

943
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:37.840
themselves as the fearsome military force of the Dominion, a

944
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:41.360
powerful empire that rules much of the Quadrant. Back on

945
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.480
Keep Space nine, a surprise attack by a Jimidar ship

946
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:48.599
demonstrates their overwhelming strength, signaling the beginning of a new

947
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:54.519
and dangerous era for the Federation. Now this explosive to

948
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.199
be a good way of putting this season two finale

949
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.920
really marks the German added turning point for the series

950
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.039
and for they basically for Star Trek, the Star Trek

951
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.119
franchise as a whole. I mean, because you know, the

952
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.280
episode starts out rather lighthearted. You know, it's you know,

953
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.000
taking them to a camping trip, which is what we expected.

954
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.519
You know, at this point, you know, the game of

955
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.440
Quadron is just a place to explore. It's kind of neat.

956
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:24.320
But now we find out that there's a new and

957
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.679
terrifying threat there which completely changes everything, raises the stakes

958
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:33.760
for the series. Yeah, it's clear that that D Space

959
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:36.800
nine as the series has a grown that that familiar

960
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.280
episodic comfort I guess bilod way but of their early

961
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:45.920
seasons and it's now we're moving into some new territory

962
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:46.840
for Star Trek.

963
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:49.239
And it's a good charactor they're going because we see

964
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.320
where it's heading. I mean, when we first fell this

965
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.199
season air, we didn't know what was in the future

966
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.800
is held for us in D Base nine. But seeing

967
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.360
all of it and then looking back when this was

968
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.559
got introduced and you really no crap here we go

969
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:04.280
it's it's about to get serious, yep.

970
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.159
I mean of the of all the characters to be

971
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:18.360
stuck in that situation together like again, I gotta tell you, yeah,

972
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.360
him just like talking and negotiating the whole time to

973
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.960
get out of that cage. Oh yeah, it's a great performance.

974
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:28.079
I've got to give it to Molly Hagen as Heiress

975
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.679
the species that we'll see in the future becoming important.

976
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:36.760
Can't spoil anything, but I think her performance in this

977
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:41.840
from cover to cover is fantastic. Also interesting to see

978
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:46.599
and hear Alan Oppenheimer a familiar voice from the Master

979
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:52.039
of the Universe days. Oh yeah, but also interesting to

980
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:57.800
see it right, exactly interesting to see another very familiar

981
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:02.800
looking starship. It almost looks as if the enterprise is

982
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:03.280
the part of this.

983
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:13.559
I think, you know, the destruction of the terrifying scene

984
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:14.679
and I think I just wailed.

985
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:17.639
Jeff's got to cut that.

986
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:23.159
We can't do that, Yeah, you ruined it.

987
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:27.480
Another interesting aspect of this episode, aside from the you know,

988
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.280
the dramatic pairings and the performances that we see from

989
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:35.480
the the actors, there's a great use of ship battles.

990
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.159
In this one.

991
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:41.159
I think is kind of an interesting sneak peek into

992
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:45.079
the types of h space battle dynamics that we see

993
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.760
I think used to a great extent in this series,

994
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:49.360
and I think Wayne, you and I talked about this

995
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.360
a long while ago when we covered that documentary. But

996
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.559
one of the things that I'm consistently impressed with is

997
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:59.079
just watching how these they use ships in so many

998
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.199
different ways. That choreography of these ships is fascinating. We're

999
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.559
going to see much larger scale battles, and this one,

1000
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.519
there's a very very small one that raised the stakes,

1001
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:16.760
very meaningful and definitely raises the stakes with the jim Heddar.

1002
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:21.960
They're they're there, are there are species to watch out for,

1003
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.440
and they're not even at the top of the food

1004
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:26.000
Chicken comes the dominion.

1005
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.079
So very the visual effects we get here this this

1006
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.519
is was an expensive episode. You know, all the model

1007
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.159
shows that they had during the season really where them

1008
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.840
saving up for this this episode because the visual effects

1009
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.599
that we do get are really amazing and kind of

1010
00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:43.440
shocking for for d Space nine. And it's no surprising

1011
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.679
that they were nominated for Best Visual Effects for this

1012
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:49.960
uh this episode. They didn't win that well, they won,

1013
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.239
but they didn't win. They won for Voyagers Pilot rather

1014
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.639
than this one. But they're this this is a beautifully

1015
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.280
made episode wonderfully you know, directed, and very very important

1016
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:03.960
for the rest of the series, and.

1017
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.679
A very important setup for season three. I think there's

1018
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.519
a pretty direct segue into that. It's not to be

1019
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.840
continued necessarily, but a very important setup.

1020
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.599
And it's a big farewell too. It's the farewell to

1021
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:21.519
the familiar com badges that we've seen all through the

1022
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.599
next generation. This episode is the last time we saw

1023
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.119
him on television. We got new ones next season.

1024
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:31.119
Because oil I'm down from more latinum, grow up kind

1025
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:35.800
of change. Well, we've gone through our top ten favorites.

1026
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.360
Anything that we want to mention as a dishonorable mention,

1027
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.960
one that we should avoid or that we just recommend,

1028
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.320
probably isn't worth our time. David, did you have any

1029
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:46.920
ideas on that.

1030
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:51.039
Stay far, far far away from the episode called second Site.

1031
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.800
Cisco falls in love with a woman named I think

1032
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:00.639
it's Finna, who has a very weird personality and he

1033
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.719
liked to disappear reappear, and you know, while I think

1034
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.400
Dax is working with a brilliant scientist who is doing

1035
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:09.679
terror forming.

1036
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:11.679
Yeah, stay away from that episode.

1037
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.920
Wayne, would you agree, Well, I do agree that is

1038
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.280
that it's not one of the highlights of the season.

1039
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.320
But that wasn't going to be my choice because I

1040
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.079
thought there were a lot of mediocre episodes this season.

1041
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:27.679
But to my choice would be the Laura. It's it's

1042
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:32.519
not a terribly you know, bad episode. Uh. The episode

1043
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.719
features a doctor Bashir he falls in love with a

1044
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:40.480
crew member named Lieutenant Hasler. I think it's those love episodes.

1045
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.239
I don't know what's going on with that. Yeah, the Lieutenant.

1046
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.239
She's from a low gravity world and struggles to adapt

1047
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.639
to the life on the station. I find some of

1048
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.920
the concepts interesting. I find it very interesting that the

1049
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:57.079
show is attempting to, you know, depict a handicapped crew member,

1050
00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:59.800
you know, having to use an external device like the

1051
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:01.880
the exo skeleton to be able to move around. That

1052
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.559
part's well done, you know. Plus I have to mention

1053
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:09.960
the character Malaura's played by the wonderful Daphne Ashbrook, an

1054
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.880
actress I've met personally a couple of times, and because

1055
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.719
she would go on to play Doctor Holloway on Doctor

1056
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.239
Who just a couple of years later with Paul McGann.

1057
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:22.360
But despite that, I think the episode just falls completely

1058
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.679
flat for me. The romance element is just it's too sappy,

1059
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:30.480
too unconvincing. I know that their original intention for the

1060
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.800
character of doctor Basheer was to make him more of

1061
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:36.239
a playboy, you know, running after every alien woman then

1062
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.239
there's a station, but that just that whole idea makes

1063
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.519
besher so unlikable. I'm glad they mostly did away with

1064
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.800
that by my next year. That that's my choice, I

1065
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:47.840
think mine.

1066
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.719
I'm learning into. The reason I ask is because I'm

1067
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.280
leaning into Dave's camp for a second second. I'll admit

1068
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:57.039
there are parts that I just like, I just jumped

1069
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:01.719
forward a couple of seconds. Conceptually, it's just so odd

1070
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:04.480
that there there seemed to be a lot of times

1071
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:08.920
in Star Trek where in this episode main character falls

1072
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:13.320
in love with guest character. Will it last? No, it

1073
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:18.360
never does. I mean we'll see you know, romantic you know,

1074
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.920
couples emerge in this So I'm not saying that never happens,

1075
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:26.039
but it always seems like, oh yeah, they're gonna die.

1076
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:30.840
Like the Red Shirt con said, right, I also hate

1077
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:36.280
to have that happen so soon with Benjamin Cisco agreed,

1078
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:42.840
he just lost his wife now more than three years ago, granted,

1079
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.559
but it still feels like it's pretty fresh, and I

1080
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:50.639
understand the idea behind trying to delve into that, can

1081
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.639
he find love again? Can we respark something? But to

1082
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.840
see the execution of it in this way, I'm just like, wait,

1083
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.840
they got to do him like that? Like come on, yep,

1084
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:04.599
So stay away from second sight, don't give it another look?

1085
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.480
All right? Well back into the positive. So obviously, I

1086
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:12.039
think it's pretty easy to see. Stand out character for

1087
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:17.320
this season is major Kira. Dave. What is one particular

1088
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.519
moment for you that stands out as the kind of

1089
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:20.199
the apex war.

1090
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.119
Well, it's not really a moment, but you've already touched

1091
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.760
base on it. It's then a visitor's performance and crossover.

1092
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:31.239
You you talked about her going back and forth between

1093
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.079
you know, being good Kira, bad Kiara and just being

1094
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:40.079
able to perform to probably another obviously another actress who

1095
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:42.760
was supposed to be her in some of those shots

1096
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.760
and doing that split screen kind of thing. I think

1097
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:49.599
her performance and all that was phenomenal. And getting to

1098
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:54.119
see Kira as bad, which you could possibly see. I mean,

1099
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:56.480
she could have gone that route, you know, with all

1100
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:59.639
the crap that she went through, but the fact that

1101
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:02.320
it's shows how strong she is in the real world,

1102
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:05.920
the care that we love and enjoy. It just shows

1103
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.320
you how strong she is and the fact that she

1104
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:11.480
has become who she is, this person that Cisco can

1105
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:15.079
lean on, the station can lean on. So that episode

1106
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:16.480
just speaks volume to her character.

1107
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:20.800
It's also interesting how just when you were explaining that,

1108
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:22.440
one of the things that came to mind for me

1109
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:27.440
was that we rarely see moments of glee or joy

1110
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:33.239
major Kira. Not that she's not a person that wants

1111
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.760
to feel happy, that wants to feel joyful, but she's

1112
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.320
been through so much so to see such a stark,

1113
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.159
dark turn of that when she's just like reveling in

1114
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.719
it and she's like grinning ear to hear the whole time,

1115
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.360
and it's like, ew, I want her to be happy,

1116
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:50.440
but not in that way.

1117
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:52.400
No way, right Wayne?

1118
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:53.880
What about you? Well?

1119
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.280
I agree with you, David that Kira had a lot

1120
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.039
of great moments this season, but I feel her strongest

1121
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:03.519
and in fact, what I think is Nana Visitor's best

1122
01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:06.000
performance this season was the episode Necessary Evil.

1123
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:06.719
Oh.

1124
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.000
I don't want to give away the ending of that episode,

1125
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:13.880
because it's probably the season's most shocking revelation. But all

1126
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:17.960
during that episode, Kiara is defending herself in her past

1127
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:22.440
life as resistance fighter. And you can see how when

1128
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:28.199
Odo reopens the the investigation, how Kira is a demeanor changes,

1129
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:32.519
going from defensive to kind of reflective, you know, because

1130
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:35.320
she's forced to, you know, reveal that guilt and sorrow

1131
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.880
from all the things that she was forced to do

1132
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:41.239
during the occupation, all that stuff that she normally keeps

1133
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:45.199
very deep deep in her you know, it forces us

1134
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:48.440
to remember that while Kira seems to be in control

1135
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.280
and brave most of the time, but underneath, she's got

1136
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.760
a very dark history that she's not proud of. And

1137
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:59.280
and Nana Visitor did a phenomenal performance for that episode.

1138
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.559
She did one for both of you, act and crossover.

1139
01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:05.199
I love her. She's a great actress.

1140
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:07.920
That was my second pick in case somebody chows cross

1141
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:12.320
over because both those episodes were incredible for her. Yeah,

1142
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:14.679
I completely agree with both of you.

1143
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:21.159
I don't have a particularly emotionally powerful performance picked out.

1144
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.119
It just really struck me each time that I saw it.

1145
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.679
I rewatched the episodes twice when I when I had

1146
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:33.119
a chance. But I believe it was in Siege when

1147
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:38.760
Kira and Dax get the old Flyer out of the cave.

1148
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.800
Oh yes, I have the right episode because of their friendship,

1149
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.920
because of that dynamic between the two that we really

1150
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.039
get to see them in kind of a you know,

1151
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:54.159
straighten on a planet doing a certain thing. It was

1152
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.760
just a lot of fun to see their performances there,

1153
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:59.800
and I think it's an important thing to watch for

1154
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:06.199
because of them being so close and just getting a

1155
01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:08.719
little bit of insight into that. I think was a

1156
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:12.079
fun time aside from all the powerful dramatic performances. That's

1157
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.119
just one to keep in mind if you have to

1158
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:18.039
be selected, it's one worth watching out for. M hm,

1159
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.480
it is okay. Well, I know we've got a lot

1160
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:23.840
more startup to cover, a lot more DS than to cover,

1161
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:27.199
but we do. We gotta keep moving on. Thanks as always,

1162
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:31.159
Wayne and Dave for a great chat through season two.

1163
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:35.079
Looks forward to season three yep, my pleasure, and as

1164
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:38.320
always thanks to our listeners for joining us. Hailium frequencies

1165
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.360
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1166
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.519
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1167
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:44.599
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01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.159
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1170
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01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:57.760
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1174
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1175
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