Phasers Set To Stun: What We Left Behind: Looking Back at Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to
Phasers Set to Stun. In this ongoing

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your core Trek crew. I'm Scott Hoffin

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and I'm Wayne Whiten, and our
crewmate David Burns is on a classified mission

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and we hope he'll be able to
join us again soon. But in the

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meantime, Wayne and I are taking
a look at one of the many Trek

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focused documentaries to help you find the
best behind the stories available. We're talking

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today about the twenty eighteen documentary What
We Left Behind, a look back at

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Star Trek DS nine. So obviously
we haven't covered Deep Space nine yet.

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We'll get to that in Starter Treks, So consider this a red alert for

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spoilers. Highly recommend that you watch
the series obviously before you see this documentary,

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definitely, but just to give people
an idea of what it's about.

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Beyond the obvious and the title,
What We Left Behind is more of a

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than a personal love letter to the
show and its fans from the creators and

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cast. It's narrated by showrunner Iras
Stephen Baer, and it's a documentary that's

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more than a collection of talking head
interviews that brings together the original writers and

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showrunners to imagine what the next unproduced
eighth season would look like. Is that

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twenty years after the finale. It
also gives a rare last glimpse of the

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original cast coming together for a look
back at what the show meant to them,

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to the Star Trek Universe, into
television in general, for any Deep

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Space nine van In my opinion,
this doc is a must see. I

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do you agree? I definitely agree. It's a fantastic documentary. So what

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brought this to the top of year
watchlist or to the well this the documentary

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came to my attention sometime I think
it was early two thousand and eight,

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or excuse me, twenty eighteen.
It was right after the crowdfunding on Indiegogo

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was finished, which that unfortunately meant
that I couldn't help take part in it.

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But I was really interested in seeing
it because I love Deep Spaceline.

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I'll love all the Star Trek tell
you the truth, to be honest.

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But you know, I followed Deep
Space nine from beginning to end. I

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thought it was a great idea.
You know, DS nine seems to be

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like the forgotten Star Trek anymore.
It's it's rarely talked about, rarely rerun

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on television anymore. You know,
it's usually the only reruns we see is

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Next Generation. But you know,
during its seven years on TV, and

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it had a very rocky production,
a lot of behind the scenes problems,

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and I knew there'd be a lot
of interesting things to be told with this

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documentary, and a lot of things
revealed, a lot of stories we'd never

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heard of before finally being told.
You know, Like I said, I

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was a big fan of DAS nine
from the beginning. I remember when being

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really excited when they announced it back
in ninety two. And I love the

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pilot. I still think it's the
best pilot episode of all the Star Trek

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series. And I watched every episode
through all its seven year run. You

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know, heck, I remember watching
I watched season finale with David at his

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place when it first aired back in
ninety nine. So I look forward to

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this and when it was released,
I immediately bought it. Yeah, yeah,

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I agree. Deep Space nine I
think is underappreciated, even though I

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know it has a strong fan base
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Those who like it love it,
and it had a very strong fan base

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when it aired, to very vocal
fan base when we all knew it was

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going to end at the end seven
years, because that's the way Next Generation

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did, but they really came out
and argued with Paramount to try to continue

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it to its eighth season, which
would have been interesting. And with this

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documentary we actually get to see a
little bit of maybe some plans of what

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it would have been like. Yeah, that's one of the things that surprised

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me about this one is that they
set out to make sure that it wasn't

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just a collection of interviews or group
discussions or anything else like that. That

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they said, Okay, there's no
study involved. Budget is not an issue.

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We can do whatever we want.
How would we come back to this

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twenty years later? Which is kind
of an interesting thing to see nowadays having

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been through three seasons of the cart
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the same kind of thing. Yeah, you're right, it's very similar.

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And you know, for me,
the question would be, you know,

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should the series come back, I
don't know. I'd have to debate that,

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but if it did, I think
what they came up with was was

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unique and I would actually work really
well on TV. Yeah, there were

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there were definitely some some shocking moments, and we'll talk about that a little

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bit later, but a lot of
surprises in this one. Right out right

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out of the gate. It's showing
that Max Grodenchick, the actor who played

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Ram, can sing well, can
sing pretty well like it. It opens

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up with a kind of a music
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other cast members. That's right.
It's a great little musical piece. Yeah.

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It's also kind of an interesting time
capsule because we get to see a

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lot of those who we've lost.
Right, Rene helped me out with pronunciation

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Renee, that's right. And Aaron
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It was great to see their perspective
on the show. And I really

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am glad that this documentary was done
at a time when we could capture all

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of that and it was just done
too, because Renee passed away just a

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couple of months after this show was
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to hear how rough the critics were
on this show. I thought it was

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an interesting choice for them to kind
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that they were getting or kind of
the fan mail and kind of read that

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aloud. That was a little heartbreaking. Oh, it was saving. It

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took places. Some of that was
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about that all day, especially today. I mean you hear about a lot

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of especially with the Star Wars.
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vocal, and you know, they
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not something new. That was something
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in nineteen ninety three. Yeah,
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was that we didn't get a chance
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the cast. Yeah, that was
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but biggest disappointment. I don't know
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part in it. I mean,
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from which I think was recorded for
the DVD release, but which it fit

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perfectly. I mean, you know, he's there in spirit and with the

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interviews. But considering he's taken part
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and he's always been very very supportive
of the show in his time on it.

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Over the years, you know,
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don't know why he didn't appear in
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this one, but he did.
I guess they did talk to him,

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and it was his idea, Avery
Brooks's idea to not do this as a

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regular documentary, not and do it
something special. And I believe Stephen Behar

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said that it was because of Avy
Brooks that they came up with the idea

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of creating the season eight idea.
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there's the section in this where it
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comment that talking to Avery is like
talking to a jazz musician. Yes,

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right, And it's a very very
fluid, very kinetic It takes you the

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surprising but good places. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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Anything else that surprised you in this
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I knew it was coming, but
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You know. The footage that was
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was all done and remastered in high
definition, and it is the only high

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definition footage that we probably will ever
see of Deep Space sign and they did

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that on purpose. I don't know
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story, but back in twenty twelve, Paramount went through the whole process of

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doing the Next Generation in high definition, and that was a monumental task.

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They ordered all the negatives from the
salt mine where they were stored, and

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you know, everything. They re
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were, and then all the visual
effects had to be recreated. Of course,

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with the next generation, all the
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physically, with models, and so
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allowed them to do it within a
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I believe it was something close to
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post production for every episode. One
hundred and seventy eight episodes, and for

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Deep Space nine, the exact same
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with Deep Space nine and Voyager,
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they started to move from fusing physical
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that they don't have that building blocks
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that all the visual effects would have
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and it would raise the price incredibly
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actually consider even doing the series in
high definition, which means we'll never see

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it in HD. But for this
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pay for it to send them that
raw footage, and for the thirty minutes

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of footage that they have from the
series, they did just that. They

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rebuild it from the ground up and
did all the post production, and we

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see a glimpse of what the show
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in high definition. And it's beautiful. It really is beautiful. That scene

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with the battle is incredible. Yeah, yeah, and it makes sense.

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I mean, I wasn't aware of
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It's a beautiful I mean, I
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War and also the kind of stuff, and I think it's a standout aspect

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of this series, the way that
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I think all of those sequences are
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does a lot for it. All
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incredible in those scenes. It's sad
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that, but at least we got
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what were some of the most interesting
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for me, and let me put
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here. For me, it was
hearing from her own mouth exactly what happened

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with Terry Ferrell and the producers the
end of season six. There had been

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a lot of rumors, a lot
of tabloid headlines back in the day that

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was nineteen ninety eight, but we
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know. I remember back then we
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was feeding us. That she left
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just doing one more year of the
show, and she was offered a part

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on a new sitcom called Becker with
Ted Danson, which was a much more

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lucrative and longer job. And of
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you know, but here in this
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actuality, she was forced out,
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it's a really hard subject for her
to talk about. And seeing her

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break down and cry on screen,
you know, describing the abuse that she

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took from the producers was really heartbreaking. You know, Terry Ferrell, she's

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such a sweet and wonderful actress.
You know. I got to meet her

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back in December a Galaxy con and
I told her how much I loved the

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character Jessia Dax, and I wouldn't
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my favorite character on the series and
always has been an action figure of jen

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z Is sitting on my work desk. I'm here at home and have for

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quite a few years now, sitting
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Zech. You know, two of
my favorite characters. You've got the Vegas.

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That's fantastic. Yeah, and I
totally agree. She did an amazing

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job in that role. I think
she's a fantastic actress. I'm glad you

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got to meet her. I think
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We got a great follow up performance
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So nothing against Nicole, but uh, that was one of the things that

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actually made me angry when I was
watching the show Originally. It was like,

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what one of the favorite characters from
the beginning. She did so much

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for the Trill culture, but also
for strong female characters, which is a

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theme throughout this show. It did
a lot for l elevating female roles in

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the Star Trek universe. Yes,
I mean, look how much the Deep

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Space nine contributed to the whole Star
Trek lore. You know, you're not

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You just mentioned the Trills, but
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the Ferengi were all explored and expanded, and you know, it's it's incredible

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the folklore the mythology of Star Trek
that came from the seven years of the

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show. Yeah. Well, and
I mean you mentioned one of the one

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of the things that interested me the
most was learning more about the Ferrangi cast

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and the Free characters. There's a
lot of great stories in here about the

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closeness of the cast that was in
the Ferengi life. So we've got the

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characters of Quark, ram leda Moogie, the Grand Negas all apparently would come

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together at Armand's house, at Quark's
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that they're such a close knit group
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interesting to just know, you know, from Next Generation. I think we've

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talked with Jeff before and he's like, I can't stand the Ferengi. They're

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just they're very grading characters. But
in this one they bring them to such

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a higher level, seper level that
we're we talked about in lower decks and

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we see play out in a lot
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But just hearing how much they kind
of stuck together and became a little

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family unit within a larger family unit, it's fantastic. And it was also

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just interesting to hear that their their
forehead prosthetics were basically like fingerprints for the

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individual characters. I didn't know they
were that union. Oh yeah, you

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this series is incredible, and they
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the actors had to go through,
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that makeup. And I can understand
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I think of all the different aliens
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know, Renee and Armed Shimmerman and
all the all the the fringy they had

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to wear that day after day after
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little bits, isn't it just bits
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you know, full head makeup.
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having to wear all that for for
seven years? No? Wonder they hate

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it. No, I mean it
says a lot for Renee specifically, Like

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I love the story that Ira brings
up where Renee comes out in frustration and

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just rips his facial propity and cross
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it, and then Iras still has
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really sweet. Oh that was great, And you know, I loved they

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were showing. They did show a
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rehearsal for the FERENGHI and I found
it rather humorous that. And I understand

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too that they rehearsed with their teeth
in yeah, because it changed the way

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they talked, to change the way
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to. And you know, I
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seeing them and without the makeup,
but with the weird, nasty teeth,

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and it was actually rather humorous,
but it made sense they'd had to

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do it that way. Yeah,
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Yes, they're willing to do that
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tidbit about the makeup chair where I
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cole Mini would complain about makeup,
even his makeup process to take like three

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to five minutes, and everybody else
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sweating. Yeah. Did you get
to meet not a visitor? Yes I

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did. Yes, I did that
same convention in Galaxicon. I've met quite

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a few of the Deep Space and
although I've never met Avery Brooks, I

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did years ago get to meet Renee
abushen Wan. He was fantastic. I

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mean, my mom was with me
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was such a joy and always smiling. I'm so glad I got to meet

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him back then. But yes,
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to meet armand at one time I
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lot of great things to say,
a lot of great reflections on her arc

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as a character, which is amazing
and interesting to kind of think about her

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past as a terrorist and you know
how that would how that would play out

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in twenty eighteen, let alone today. Yeah. I found that a very

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interesting part of the documentary, you
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you don't really think about. I
don't think that could have written the series

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as they did today. It just
it wouldn't have worked. Yeah, well,

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I know. It was one of
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there were differing memories of the show. Like there was the scene where Nana

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is talking to Ira about the time
that he tried to convince her that he

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was going to write a script where
she had an affair with Goldicott, and

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she gets very fired up. She's
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don't tell me that didn't happen,
because it happened. Yeah. I loved

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hearing reflections from the actor who played
Garrick, Andrew Robinson. He has a

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lot of personality he adds into this. He does the same with James Darren

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reflecting on Vic Fonteine, I love
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I loved James Darren. I loved
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on Face nine. He's fantastic.
Yeah, it's a very surprising use of

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a holiday care it is. But
I mean it was great that he you

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know, he was a late timer
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appearances. Every time he appeared,
I looked for those episodes and they were

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fun. They were fun episodes.
Absolutely. Yeah. Well, and he

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has a great arc with nog a
very formative arc that speaks with a lot

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of the issues that they addressed back
when they were you know, when they

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were airing that we hadn't even thought
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they get into, like you said, war PTSD, they go through a

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lot of the issues that they helped
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there were some regrets about what they
wanted to pursue but didn't, but it's

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very interesting to see that aspect of
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culture of television and beyond. Yes, all right, exactly, all right,

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let's talk about that unproduced episode that
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all right, we're back. So
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this has a unique aspect to it
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from the series to say, if
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an issue, what would be the
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they bring back the cast. I
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kind of connective mystery, is a
good way to kind of follow up on

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you know, we don't know where
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where Canon is going, but it
reflected a lot of the cast and I

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think after seeing the entire arc of
that first episode, i'd definitely watch it.

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would have been fantastic, It really

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would be. I was surprised on
some of their choices for where the characters

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had gone, especially Kira. I
guess I never saw her heading in that

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direction, but the way they talked
about her it made sense. Yeah.

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He was also connect to where we
left with Cisco, Yeah, which they

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did a great job of kind of
answering that, like what happened to him?

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It felt to me personally like when
I stopped watching the show. I

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was like, it did it felt
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it was also a little bit like
it felt like there was more to be

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said that we wouldn't get and we
never did get. We never we never

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did get to you know, whatever
happened to Cisco, Well, let me

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ref we did in the comics recently, but I don't think those are really

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part of the canon of Star Trek, so you know, he's still out

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there, but they've never really been
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new season and find out what happened yep.

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they don't necessarily take an entire segment
of the documentary and just focus on what

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would be that extra season. They
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visitor, they kind of use that
episode writing to dive more into her story

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and her behind the scenes and things
like that, which is a great idea.

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of I think very well animated animatics

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for it to help you kind of
imagine a little bit more fluidly what it

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would what would entail, and what
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I'm glad they went to that that
link with it, and it was a

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pretty decent season opener. I'll get
admit that it had a really nice cliffhanger

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at the end of it. I
mean, I really want to know what

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happens at the end after that.
You know, we've got the Defiant coming

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back from the wormhole. Obviously there's
some sort of new formidable enemy or or

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force that was chasing them, but
we never did find out exactly what that

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force was, which is a pity. Yeah. Yeah, there was an

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attempt. Actually I did find this
out that you're Stephen Behar was contacted by

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I believe it was IDW Comics to
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but he unfortunately turned it down,
so we'll never know. Yeah, well,

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i'd definitely be able. I'd be
very happy to see it imagine or

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played out however they were able to
do it, whatever kind of media it

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takes to do so. I would
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this, and we get perspective from
people outside of the cast. Mark bernardin

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one of my favorite podcasters and authors
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I thought it was also interesting how
they brought in a lot of fans

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for I guess it was at a
convention. They had a DS nine confessional.

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twenty seventeen Vegas convention, I believe.

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of heartfelt people coming on and you

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know, talking about what it meant
to them, how it changed their life,

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how it influenced their career choices,
how it helped them through some personal

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issues, and those are always great
stories to hear. And you hear that

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with all the Star Trek series.
Dave and I heard quite a few of

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that. When Voyager was wrapped up, we went to the series ending convention

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that they held, and we heard
a lot of the stories of people who

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were affected by not just Star Trek, but by Voyager. And I'm sure

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it's happened with all the series,
and it's interesting to hear these. You

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know, I don't think I've ever
been that affected by Star Trek other than

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enjoying, you know, an hour
of television. But for some people it's

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life changing. Yeah, Well,
it speaks to the range of characters that

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they had on this show. I
mean, every star Trek iteration, it

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seems, gives you a broader range
of characters and perspectives that I think a

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lot of people can see themselves in. I know that I remember hearing that

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Aaron Eisenberg was approached by a lot
of veterans that related to his PTSD story,

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yes, and his arc, And
to think about how that character goes

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on a really big, sweeping arc
through the series, it speaks to how

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much they invest in the characters.
I know that Ira had even said at

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one point that plot plot was important, but secondary. It was more important

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to bring the most out of the
characters than you possibly could, And we

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definitely get that with Deep Sways nine. I think that's one of the major

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strengths of it. I agree.
I loved hearing from Renee just because I

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missing a lot. I think he
was so fantastic. I actually I remember

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I clapped when he said when he
mentioned Benson because I remember watching that a

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lot when I was I loved him
and Vincent. I've watched a few of

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the episodes recently. I loved that
show. Yeah, so good. But

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also Jeffrey Coombs had some great stories
and he was somebody else that you had

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met recently, right, Yes,
a same convention of Gallaxi Khan, but

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worth going to if you like Star
Trek. Yes, absolutely well, and

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it just shows how you know,
his character of Wayou seems like it would

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be a secondary character, seems like
it would be a supporting character. But

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one of the things this doc brings
to light is how many secondary or supporting

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characters so to speak, were given
the chance to shine and really expand beyond

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just that supporting role. That surprised
me too. And they had like the

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bulletin board where they had the one
of them had the cast in it,

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and then they panned over and showed
the secondary cast. There's so many of

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them. I never realized until you
really think about it, how many secondary

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characters, and they're all very strong
characters that had their own individual story arcs

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that were in this series. It
just amazed me. Yeah, well,

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I mean Casey Biggs was a great
example that came out in this doc.

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His character of Damar could have been
easily dismissed as a henchman so to speak,

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right, but had a very very
interesting arc all the way through to

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the end of the Well, I
guess the end of the Dominion War,

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near the end of it, and
he gets a chance to speak about his

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character, where it went, and
the appreciation of those types of roles and

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how that kind of some to be
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When you look at that whole wallboard
that you mentioned, I can't imagine them

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removing any of those characters. No, they're they're too important. Yeah,

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they were too important to the story. Yeah. Any other favorite people you

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heard from, I mean you mentioned
my favorites, you know, Andrew Robinson,

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I loved, I love Garrick.
I loved him from the beginning.

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He had such a great story.
Him and Basher two of my It was

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a great pairing, one of the
best Star Trek pairings ever. And I

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loved hearing him even in in in
real life as Andrew Robinson. He's He's

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incredible to listen to. And but
seeing you know, Renee a vision wag

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again. You know, I love
Odo And I mentioned that he had passed

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away just a few months after this, you know, watching this, I

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watched the documentary back when it first
came out and then watching it again this

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week for this podcast. He was
kind of you know, bittersweet with all

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that in mind, but you know, it brought back a lot of good

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memories of me watching the show and
just made me remember how of a great

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of a character actor he is and
everything that he's done. I love Odo

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and I love Renee. One of
the things along those lines that surprised me

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when I watched this and when I
saw it on Roku with ads. I

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also saw some additional clips on YouTube
that I guess didn't make it to the

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final cut. Yeah. One of
those, unfortunately, was some perspective from

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Aaron Eisenberg on how he felt that
his own life paralleled Nogg's story. And

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it's a very emotional moment for Aaron, who like Renee. Unfortunately, we

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lost yea too soon. But I
think it's great that they were able to

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get that perspective from him, that
they were able to get that footage and

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give him a chance to talk about
Nog, because, as we see in

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the the eighth season they start writing, Nog is a very important character who

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is in a very different place when
you start a pretty unexpected place. One

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of the biggest chuckles for me and
was when when he finds out what they

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had planned for his character. He
has a great reaction to that. Yeah,

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and we won't say what happens,
but no, no, he does

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a great bit. It's fantastic,
So I think it goes without saying.

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I'd recommend seeing this obviously for any
Deep Space nine it's an absolute zee way.

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Would you agree, Oh, definitely, of course. But I do

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suggest so waiting and watching it until
after you've seen Deep Space nine. I

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think you'll appreciate it a lot more. Yeah, that way, it's just

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you know, you need to have
the full story and then hear this all

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the behind the scenes and the continuation. Yeah, and I know that we're

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going to get a chance to cover
this in Star Trekrects a little bit later.

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I'm looking forward to that absolutely.
I can't wait. But I would

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also recommend for anybody who watched Deep
Space nine and maybe gave up on it

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a little too early, or something
kind of threw you off and you didn't

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quite feel like it because it didn't
feel like next Generation or whatever, I'd

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encourage you to take a look at
this documentary and get a little bit more

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insight into what it meant, how
many different directions this show is able to

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go in, and what you can
get out of it because I think for

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any Star Trek fan in general,
let alone of the series, they'd be

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missing out if they missed this series. And I think that's really that seems

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like it's pretty true through for a
lot of Star Trek series. I think

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a lot of people kind of fall
in love with theirs and then maybe take

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a break from it, give it
a chance. There's some spoilers obviously in

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here if you haven't seen the entire
show, but once you hear what they've

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put into it, where they plan
to go with it, I think it'll

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be surprised and I think it'd be
pleased if you give it a chance.

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I agree, Wayne. Where did
you end up seeing this? Well?

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I watched it when it came out
in Blu Ray for the first time back

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in two thousand and it was it
eighteen or nineteen, I think it was

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eighteen. I had pre ordered an
Amazon and waited for months, and I

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remember it arrived two days before the
actual release date. So I watched that

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night and loved it. And then
I immediately went and found out that they

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had a soundtrack CD for it,
and I ordered it as well. You

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know that is something we didn't mention
too, is that. You know,

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they got back all the all of
the minimums so many of the actors talked

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about. But they also got Dennis
McCarthy to do the music for this stockum

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enery. You know, he did
the music for the TV series, So

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you know, I'm a huge fan
of Dennis McCarthy and all of his his

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work. So I ordered the CD. But that's how I first saw it.

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I saw when I came out on
Blu Ray. Now does that Blue

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Ray come with extras? Yes,
it has the extra scenes, including some

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of the ones that were mentioned,
the bits where they're talking about trials and

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tribulations, and I believe it also
has the scenes with Aaron that you were

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discussing. There's there's quite a lot. I'm trying to remember. I didn't,

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I haven't I watched him, but
they that was back when it first

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came out. There's probably about a
half hour I believe of extra interview footage,

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including some there there is some audition
footage on there, which I was

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not aware of, but Peter Capaldi
actually auditioned for the series, and it's

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it's on there a lot of the
audition. You know, what ifs that

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could have been on the series.
Well, if everybody's looking for that Blue

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Red, they can still find it
on Amazon, but if you prefer streaming,

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I know that I was able to
do. I saw that it was

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available on a lot of different services. I was able to find it on

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Roku with ads. But I'd definitely
be interested in seeing that, especially if

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it has extras to get into trows
and tribulations. That was a brilliant episode

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and also you know too, if
you want to stream it as well and

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watch the documentary. It's also available
on Pluto TV with ads and also to

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be which is where I watched it
recently. For this it's also the available

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there with ads. Cool good to
know. Well, we'll definitely be looking

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for more documentaries like this to talk
about. I know that I haven't seen

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many way and I think you've probably
seen the majority of them, or a

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fair amount of them. But I
think it's good to kind of help people

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understand what they could get out of
it, to give it a chance,

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because there's a lot of things to
watch nowadays, but a lot of these,

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you know, looking back at the
series that we grew up with,

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that can be a great way to
look back on it and let me mention

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too that the producers and creators of
this documentary are currently right now working on

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a Voyager version that went into crowdfunding
and succeeded, and that we should be

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seeing with the next year a Voager
version of a very similar documentary like this.

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Yeah, I think I'm gonna have
to start Our tracks will be my

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first full go around with Voyager,
so I'll have to wait on that documentary,

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but I'm glad they're making her.
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