Phasers Set To Stun: What We Left Behind: Looking Back at Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

0:01 Space the Final Frontier. Join us for a bold conversation our prime directive to recap our favorite Star Trek shows, both new and old, to engage and debate about all things Trek. Prepare to energize with Phasers Set to Stunt. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Phasers Set to Stun. In this ongoing series by a film by podcast, we explore every quadrant of the expanding Trek universe by covering television, animation, movies, directors, and more. Plotting the course, as always, is your core Trek crew. I'm Scott Hoffin and I'm Wayne Whiten, and our crewmate David Burns is on a classified mission and we hope he'll be able to join us again soon. But in the meantime, Wayne and I are taking a look at one of the many Trek focused documentaries to help you find the best behind the stories available. We're talking today about the twenty eighteen documentary What We Left Behind, a look back at Star Trek DS nine. So obviously we haven't covered Deep Space nine yet.

1:23 We'll get to that in Starter Treks, So consider this a red alert for spoilers. Highly recommend that you watch the series obviously before you see this documentary, definitely, but just to give people an idea of what it's about. Beyond the obvious and the title, What We Left Behind is more of a than a personal love letter to the show and its fans from the creators and cast. It's narrated by showrunner Iras Stephen Baer, and it's a documentary that's more than a collection of talking head interviews that brings together the original writers and showrunners to imagine what the next unproduced eighth season would look like. Is that twenty years after the finale. It also gives a rare last glimpse of the original cast coming together for a look back at what the show meant to them, to the Star Trek Universe, into television in general, for any Deep Space nine van In my opinion, this doc is a must see. I do you agree? I definitely agree. It's a fantastic documentary. So what brought this to the top of year watchlist or to the well this the documentary came to my attention sometime I think it was early two thousand and eight, or excuse me, twenty eighteen. It was right after the crowdfunding on Indiegogo was finished, which that unfortunately meant that I couldn't help take part in it.

2:35 But I was really interested in seeing it because I love Deep Spaceline. I'll love all the Star Trek tell you the truth, to be honest. But you know, I followed Deep Space nine from beginning to end. I thought it was a great idea. You know, DS nine seems to be like the forgotten Star Trek anymore. It's it's rarely talked about, rarely rerun on television anymore. You know, it's usually the only reruns we see is Next Generation. But you know, during its seven years on TV, and it had a very rocky production, a lot of behind the scenes problems, and I knew there'd be a lot of interesting things to be told with this documentary, and a lot of things revealed, a lot of stories we'd never heard of before finally being told. You know, Like I said, I was a big fan of DAS nine from the beginning. I remember when being really excited when they announced it back in ninety two. And I love the pilot. I still think it's the best pilot episode of all the Star Trek series. And I watched every episode through all its seven year run. You know, heck, I remember watching I watched season finale with David at his place when it first aired back in ninety nine. So I look forward to this and when it was released, I immediately bought it. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Deep Space nine I think is underappreciated, even though I know it has a strong fan base with a lot of heart behind it.

3:54 Those who like it love it, and it had a very strong fan base when it aired, to very vocal fan base when we all knew it was going to end at the end seven years, because that's the way Next Generation did, but they really came out and argued with Paramount to try to continue it to its eighth season, which would have been interesting. And with this documentary we actually get to see a little bit of maybe some plans of what it would have been like. Yeah, that's one of the things that surprised me about this one is that they set out to make sure that it wasn't just a collection of interviews or group discussions or anything else like that. That they said, Okay, there's no study involved. Budget is not an issue. We can do whatever we want. How would we come back to this twenty years later? Which is kind of an interesting thing to see nowadays having been through three seasons of the cart Yeah, right, and they essentially did the same kind of thing. Yeah, you're right, it's very similar.

4:50 And you know, for me, the question would be, you know, should the series come back, I don't know. I'd have to debate that, but if it did, I think what they came up with was was unique and I would actually work really well on TV. Yeah, there were there were definitely some some shocking moments, and we'll talk about that a little bit later, but a lot of surprises in this one. Right out right out of the gate. It's showing that Max Grodenchick, the actor who played Ram, can sing well, can sing pretty well like it. It opens up with a kind of a music number between Max and a few of the other cast members. That's right. It's a great little musical piece. Yeah.

5:39 It's also kind of an interesting time capsule because we get to see a lot of those who we've lost. Right, Rene helped me out with pronunciation Renee, that's right. And Aaron Eisenberg, Yes, yes, it was. It was great to see their perspective on the show. And I really am glad that this documentary was done at a time when we could capture all of that and it was just done too, because Renee passed away just a couple of months after this show was released. Wow. But I really hate to hear how rough the critics were on this show. I thought it was an interesting choice for them to kind of read from some of the negative criticism that they were getting or kind of the fan mail and kind of read that aloud. That was a little heartbreaking. Oh, it was saving. It took places. Some of that was incredible. But you know, we hear about that all day, especially today. I mean you hear about a lot of especially with the Star Wars. You know, some fans can be very vocal, and you know, they take it to an extreme, and that's not something new. That was something that was done all the way back there in nineteen ninety three. Yeah, I guess the other aspect that surprised me was that we didn't get a chance to see Avery Brooks with the rest of the cast. Yeah, that was my biggest It was a surprise actually, but biggest disappointment. I don't know why he didn't. He refused to take

7:12 part in it. I mean, they were able to use archive interview footage from which I think was recorded for the DVD release, but which it fit perfectly. I mean, you know, he's there in spirit and with the interviews. But considering he's taken part in quite a few other Star Trek documentaries and he's always been very very supportive of the show in his time on it. Over the years, you know, he still makes convention appearances and I don't know why he didn't appear in this one agree to do new interviews with this one, but he did. I guess they did talk to him, and it was his idea, Avery Brooks's idea to not do this as a regular documentary, not and do it something special. And I believe Stephen Behar said that it was because of Avy Brooks that they came up with the idea of creating the season eight idea. Yeah, which is which is great because there's the section in this where it talks about several people that seems like independently comment that talking to Avery is like talking to a jazz musician. Yes, right, And it's a very very fluid, very kinetic It takes you the surprising but good places. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

8:37 Anything else that surprised you in this wee, well, it was a surprise. I knew it was coming, but just to see it was a surprise. You know. The footage that was used from the series in this documentary was all done and remastered in high definition, and it is the only high definition footage that we probably will ever see of Deep Space sign and they did that on purpose. I don't know if you know a little bit of the story, but back in twenty twelve, Paramount went through the whole process of doing the Next Generation in high definition, and that was a monumental task. You know, they had to completely build the show from the ground up. They ordered all the negatives from the salt mine where they were stored, and you know, everything. They re edited the episodes back together the way they were, and then all the visual effects had to be recreated. Of course, with the next generation, all the visual effects were done, you know, physically, with models, and so they had all that footage and that allowed them to do it within a budget. And the budget was quite high.

9:39 I believe it was something close to four or five million a season. Wow, because they had I mean, they were basically doing the entirety of post production for every episode. One hundred and seventy eight episodes, and for Deep Space nine, the exact same thing would have to be done. But with Deep Space nine and Voyager, by the way, starting with season four, they started to move from fusing physical models to CGI, and which means that they don't have that building blocks like they have with the next generation, that all the visual effects would have to be created from scratch by CGI artists, and it would raise the price incredibly high, way too too high to actually consider even doing the series in high definition, which means we'll never see it in HD. But for this documentary they were able to convince Paramount and pay for it to send them that raw footage, and for the thirty minutes of footage that they have from the series, they did just that. They rebuild it from the ground up and did all the post production, and we see a glimpse of what the show would look like if it was ever done in high definition. And it's beautiful. It really is beautiful. That scene with the battle is incredible. Yeah, yeah, and it makes sense.

10:56 I mean, I wasn't aware of that, but it definitely looks like it. It's a beautiful I mean, I know there's different opinions on the Dominion War and also the kind of stuff, and I think it's a standout aspect of this series, the way that they went into it. It is and I think all of those sequences are choreographed beautifully, and yeah, the remastering does a lot for it. All the colors pop and the details are so incredible in those scenes. It's sad that we won't see the entire series like that, but at least we got this glimpse that they did exactly. So what were some of the most interesting things that you learned in this doc Well, for me, and let me put a little bit of a spoiler learned here. For me, it was hearing from her own mouth exactly what happened with Terry Ferrell and the producers the end of season six. There had been a lot of rumors, a lot of tabloid headlines back in the day that was nineteen ninety eight, but we never really knew the true story, you know. I remember back then we were being told with this is what Paramount was feeding us. That she left voluntarily because she didn't want to commit to just doing one more year of the show, and she was offered a part on a new sitcom called Becker with Ted Danson, which was a much more lucrative and longer job. And of course you know that all made sense, you know, but here in this documentary she tells the true story and in actuality, she was forced out, and you know, even twenty years later,

12:31 it's a really hard subject for her to talk about. And seeing her break down and cry on screen, you know, describing the abuse that she took from the producers was really heartbreaking. You know, Terry Ferrell, she's such a sweet and wonderful actress. You know. I got to meet her back in December a Galaxy con and I told her how much I loved the character Jessia Dax, and I wouldn't line, I really do. That's that's my favorite character on the series and always has been an action figure of jen z Is sitting on my work desk. I'm here at home and have for quite a few years now, sitting right the link next to Grand Vegas. Zech. You know, two of my favorite characters. You've got the Vegas. That's fantastic. Yeah, and I totally agree. She did an amazing job in that role. I think she's a fantastic actress. I'm glad you got to meet her. I think we with the with the Dax symbiote.

13:28 We got a great follow up performance in that last season with Ezri Dax. So nothing against Nicole, but uh, that was one of the things that actually made me angry when I was watching the show Originally. It was like, what one of the favorite characters from the beginning. She did so much for the Trill culture, but also for strong female characters, which is a theme throughout this show. It did a lot for l elevating female roles in the Star Trek universe. Yes, I mean, look how much the Deep Space nine contributed to the whole Star Trek lore. You know, you're not You just mentioned the Trills, but the Cardassians, the pa Jorians, the the Ferengi were all explored and expanded, and you know, it's it's incredible the folklore the mythology of Star Trek that came from the seven years of the show. Yeah. Well, and I mean you mentioned one of the one of the things that interested me the most was learning more about the Ferrangi cast and the Free characters. There's a lot of great stories in here about the closeness of the cast that was in the Ferengi life. So we've got the characters of Quark, ram leda Moogie, the Grand Negas all apparently would come together at Armand's house, at Quark's house and rehearse together. And to hear

15:07 that they're such a close knit group is great to hear, and it's also interesting to just know, you know, from Next Generation. I think we've talked with Jeff before and he's like, I can't stand the Ferengi. They're just they're very grading characters. But in this one they bring them to such a higher level, seper level that we're we talked about in lower decks and we see play out in a lot of other I P that's related to track, But just hearing how much they kind of stuck together and became a little family unit within a larger family unit, it's fantastic. And it was also just interesting to hear that their their forehead prosthetics were basically like fingerprints for the individual characters. I didn't know they were that union. Oh yeah, you know, that's another thing you bring up. You know, the makeup on this series is incredible, and they do touch on this, the hardships that the actors had to go through, you know, those actors. Hey hated that makeup. And I can understand because I mean, you think about it.

16:15 I think of all the different aliens you know, you have, you know, Renee and Armed Shimmerman and all the all the the fringy they had to wear that day after day after day. And those aren't just you know, little bits, isn't it just bits on the forehead. Those are practically, you know, full head makeup. And I mean, could you imagine having to wear all that for for seven years? No? Wonder they hate it. No, I mean it says a lot for Renee specifically, Like I love the story that Ira brings up where Renee comes out in frustration and just rips his facial propity and cross thesis off and says, here you take it, and then Iras still has it in his library. I think that's really sweet. Oh that was great, And you know, I loved they were showing. They did show a little bit, a little clip of the rehearsal for the FERENGHI and I found it rather humorous that. And I understand too that they rehearsed with their teeth in yeah, because it changed the way they talked, to change the way they vocalized their words, so they had to. And you know, I never really thought about it until that point, seeing them and without the makeup, but with the weird, nasty teeth, and it was actually rather humorous, but it made sense they'd had to do it that way. Yeah, well that speaks to their endurance too.

17:32 Yes, they're willing to do that season after season. There was a funny tidbit about the makeup chair where I think it was Arman was talking about how cole Mini would complain about makeup, even his makeup process to take like three to five minutes, and everybody else is in this chair for hours and just sweating. Yeah. Did you get to meet not a visitor? Yes I did. Yes, I did that same convention in Galaxicon. I've met quite a few of the Deep Space and although I've never met Avery Brooks, I did years ago get to meet Renee abushen Wan. He was fantastic. I mean, my mom was with me and he treated her so well. He was such a joy and always smiling. I'm so glad I got to meet him back then. But yes, I got to meet Nana, We got to meet armand at one time I met Chase Masterson. I can't think.

18:30 I can't even remember him on now. Yeah. Well, she had a lot of great things to say, a lot of great reflections on her arc as a character, which is amazing and interesting to kind of think about her past as a terrorist and you know how that would how that would play out in twenty eighteen, let alone today. Yeah. I found that a very interesting part of the documentary, you know, And they're right, it's something you don't really think about. I don't think that could have written the series as they did today. It just it wouldn't have worked. Yeah, well, I know. It was one of the many stories where it seemed like there were differing memories of the show. Like there was the scene where Nana is talking to Ira about the time that he tried to convince her that he was going to write a script where she had an affair with Goldicott, and she gets very fired up. She's like, no, no, no, don't tell me that didn't happen, because it happened. Yeah. I loved hearing reflections from the actor who played Garrick, Andrew Robinson. He has a lot of personality he adds into this. He does the same with James Darren reflecting on Vic Fonteine, I love that. That's someone I've met before.

19:48 I loved James Darren. I loved him on Time Tunnel and I loved him on Face nine. He's fantastic. Yeah, it's a very surprising use of a holiday care it is. But I mean it was great that he you know, he was a late timer on the show, but I loved his appearances. Every time he appeared, I looked for those episodes and they were fun. They were fun episodes. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, and he has a great arc with nog a very formative arc that speaks with a lot of the issues that they addressed back when they were you know, when they were airing that we hadn't even thought of at the time. But I mean they get into, like you said, war PTSD, they go through a lot of the issues that they helped to address on the show. I know there were some regrets about what they wanted to pursue but didn't, but it's very interesting to see that aspect of it. How it's the impact on the culture of television and beyond. Yes, all right, exactly, all right, Well, wait, let's take a quick break and when we come back, let's talk about that unproduced episode that they put together. All right, all right, we're back. So as as we mentioned and in the beginning, this has a unique aspect to it because they bring together the writers showrunners from the series to say, if there's no study involved, but it's not an issue, what would be the start of that eighth season twenty years later they bring back the cast. I thought it was a great use of this

21:21 kind of connective mystery, is a good way to kind of follow up on you know, we don't know where the characters have been, necessarily depending on where Canon is going, but it reflected a lot of the cast and I think after seeing the entire arc of that first episode, i'd definitely watch it. Oh, definitely. Yeah, it would have been fantastic, It really would be. I was surprised on some of their choices for where the characters had gone, especially Kira. I guess I never saw her heading in that direction, but the way they talked about her it made sense. Yeah. He was also connect to where we left with Cisco, Yeah, which they did a great job of kind of answering that, like what happened to him?

22:10 It felt to me personally like when I stopped watching the show. I was like, it did it felt natural considering how the series started, but it was also a little bit like it felt like there was more to be said that we wouldn't get and we never did get. We never we never did get to you know, whatever happened to Cisco, Well, let me ref we did in the comics recently, but I don't think those are really part of the canon of Star Trek, so you know, he's still out there, but they've never really been able to continue to explore his character. And I would love to see this new season and find out what happened yep. And when they when they do go through it, it's it's interesting how they don't necessarily take an entire segment of the documentary and just focus on what would be that extra season. They kind of intersperse it with different characters.

23:04 So when they reintroduce Kira and they have a chance to talk to not a visitor, they kind of use that episode writing to dive more into her story and her behind the scenes and things like that, which is a great idea. And they also put together a lot of I think very well animated animatics for it to help you kind of imagine a little bit more fluidly what it would what would entail, and what we get out of it, And so I'm glad they went to that that link with it, and it was a pretty decent season opener. I'll get admit that it had a really nice cliffhanger at the end of it. I mean, I really want to know what happens at the end after that. You know, we've got the Defiant coming back from the wormhole. Obviously there's some sort of new formidable enemy or or force that was chasing them, but we never did find out exactly what that force was, which is a pity. Yeah. Yeah, there was an attempt. Actually I did find this out that you're Stephen Behar was contacted by I believe it was IDW Comics to actually write this as a comic series, but he unfortunately turned it down, so we'll never know. Yeah, well, i'd definitely be able. I'd be very happy to see it imagine or

24:34 played out however they were able to do it, whatever kind of media it takes to do so. I would a lot of people came back together for this, and we get perspective from people outside of the cast. Mark bernardin one of my favorite podcasters and authors from Fatman Beyond joins for a little bit. I thought it was also interesting how they brought in a lot of fans for I guess it was at a convention. They had a DS nine confessional. Yeah, I think it was the twenty seventeen Vegas convention, I believe. Yeah, But they had a lot of heartfelt people coming on and you know, talking about what it meant to them, how it changed their life, how it influenced their career choices, how it helped them through some personal issues, and those are always great stories to hear. And you hear that with all the Star Trek series. Dave and I heard quite a few of that. When Voyager was wrapped up, we went to the series ending convention that they held, and we heard a lot of the stories of people who were affected by not just Star Trek, but by Voyager. And I'm sure it's happened with all the series, and it's interesting to hear these. You know, I don't think I've ever been that affected by Star Trek other than enjoying, you know, an hour of television. But for some people it's life changing. Yeah, Well, it speaks to the range of characters that they had on this show. I mean, every star Trek iteration, it seems, gives you a broader range of characters and perspectives that I think a

26:11 lot of people can see themselves in. I know that I remember hearing that Aaron Eisenberg was approached by a lot of veterans that related to his PTSD story, yes, and his arc, And to think about how that character goes on a really big, sweeping arc through the series, it speaks to how much they invest in the characters. I know that Ira had even said at one point that plot plot was important, but secondary. It was more important to bring the most out of the characters than you possibly could, And we definitely get that with Deep Sways nine. I think that's one of the major strengths of it. I agree. I loved hearing from Renee just because I missing a lot. I think he was so fantastic. I actually I remember I clapped when he said when he mentioned Benson because I remember watching that a lot when I was I loved him and Vincent. I've watched a few of the episodes recently. I loved that show. Yeah, so good. But also Jeffrey Coombs had some great stories and he was somebody else that you had met recently, right, Yes, a same convention of Gallaxi Khan, but worth going to if you like Star Trek. Yes, absolutely well, and it just shows how you know, his character of Wayou seems like it would

27:42 be a secondary character, seems like it would be a supporting character. But one of the things this doc brings to light is how many secondary or supporting characters so to speak, were given the chance to shine and really expand beyond just that supporting role. That surprised me too. And they had like the bulletin board where they had the one of them had the cast in it, and then they panned over and showed the secondary cast. There's so many of them. I never realized until you really think about it, how many secondary characters, and they're all very strong characters that had their own individual story arcs that were in this series. It just amazed me. Yeah, well, I mean Casey Biggs was a great example that came out in this doc.

28:29 His character of Damar could have been easily dismissed as a henchman so to speak, right, but had a very very interesting arc all the way through to the end of the Well, I guess the end of the Dominion War, near the end of it, and he gets a chance to speak about his character, where it went, and the appreciation of those types of roles and how that kind of some to be more important than just a secondary role. When you look at that whole wallboard that you mentioned, I can't imagine them removing any of those characters. No, they're they're too important. Yeah, they were too important to the story. Yeah. Any other favorite people you heard from, I mean you mentioned my favorites, you know, Andrew Robinson, I loved, I love Garrick. I loved him from the beginning.

29:26 He had such a great story. Him and Basher two of my It was a great pairing, one of the best Star Trek pairings ever. And I loved hearing him even in in in real life as Andrew Robinson. He's He's incredible to listen to. And but seeing you know, Renee a vision wag again. You know, I love Odo And I mentioned that he had passed away just a few months after this, you know, watching this, I watched the documentary back when it first came out and then watching it again this week for this podcast. He was kind of you know, bittersweet with all that in mind, but you know, it brought back a lot of good memories of me watching the show and just made me remember how of a great of a character actor he is and everything that he's done. I love Odo and I love Renee. One of the things along those lines that surprised me when I watched this and when I saw it on Roku with ads. I also saw some additional clips on YouTube that I guess didn't make it to the final cut. Yeah. One of those, unfortunately, was some perspective from Aaron Eisenberg on how he felt that his own life paralleled Nogg's story. And it's a very emotional moment for Aaron, who like Renee. Unfortunately, we lost yea too soon. But I think it's great that they were able to

31:00 get that perspective from him, that they were able to get that footage and give him a chance to talk about Nog, because, as we see in the the eighth season they start writing, Nog is a very important character who is in a very different place when you start a pretty unexpected place. One of the biggest chuckles for me and was when when he finds out what they had planned for his character. He has a great reaction to that. Yeah, and we won't say what happens, but no, no, he does a great bit. It's fantastic, So I think it goes without saying. I'd recommend seeing this obviously for any Deep Space nine it's an absolute zee way.

31:45 Would you agree, Oh, definitely, of course. But I do suggest so waiting and watching it until after you've seen Deep Space nine. I think you'll appreciate it a lot more. Yeah, that way, it's just you know, you need to have the full story and then hear this all the behind the scenes and the continuation. Yeah, and I know that we're going to get a chance to cover this in Star Trekrects a little bit later. I'm looking forward to that absolutely. I can't wait. But I would also recommend for anybody who watched Deep Space nine and maybe gave up on it a little too early, or something kind of threw you off and you didn't quite feel like it because it didn't feel like next Generation or whatever, I'd encourage you to take a look at this documentary and get a little bit more insight into what it meant, how many different directions this show is able to go in, and what you can get out of it because I think for any Star Trek fan in general, let alone of the series, they'd be missing out if they missed this series. And I think that's really that seems like it's pretty true through for a lot of Star Trek series. I think a lot of people kind of fall in love with theirs and then maybe take a break from it, give it a chance. There's some spoilers obviously in here if you haven't seen the entire show, but once you hear what they've

33:15 put into it, where they plan to go with it, I think it'll be surprised and I think it'd be pleased if you give it a chance. I agree, Wayne. Where did you end up seeing this? Well? I watched it when it came out in Blu Ray for the first time back in two thousand and it was it eighteen or nineteen, I think it was eighteen. I had pre ordered an Amazon and waited for months, and I remember it arrived two days before the actual release date. So I watched that night and loved it. And then I immediately went and found out that they had a soundtrack CD for it, and I ordered it as well. You know that is something we didn't mention too, is that. You know, they got back all the all of the minimums so many of the actors talked about. But they also got Dennis McCarthy to do the music for this stockum enery. You know, he did the music for the TV series, So you know, I'm a huge fan of Dennis McCarthy and all of his his work. So I ordered the CD. But that's how I first saw it.

34:07 I saw when I came out on Blu Ray. Now does that Blue Ray come with extras? Yes, it has the extra scenes, including some of the ones that were mentioned, the bits where they're talking about trials and tribulations, and I believe it also has the scenes with Aaron that you were discussing. There's there's quite a lot. I'm trying to remember. I didn't, I haven't I watched him, but they that was back when it first came out. There's probably about a half hour I believe of extra interview footage, including some there there is some audition footage on there, which I was not aware of, but Peter Capaldi actually auditioned for the series, and it's it's on there a lot of the audition. You know, what ifs that could have been on the series. Well, if everybody's looking for that Blue Red, they can still find it on Amazon, but if you prefer streaming, I know that I was able to do. I saw that it was available on a lot of different services. I was able to find it on Roku with ads. But I'd definitely be interested in seeing that, especially if it has extras to get into trows and tribulations. That was a brilliant episode and also you know too, if you want to stream it as well and watch the documentary. It's also available on Pluto TV with ads and also to be which is where I watched it recently. For this it's also the available there with ads. Cool good to know. Well, we'll definitely be looking for more documentaries like this to talk about. I know that I haven't seen

35:39 many way and I think you've probably seen the majority of them, or a fair amount of them. But I think it's good to kind of help people understand what they could get out of it, to give it a chance, because there's a lot of things to watch nowadays, but a lot of these, you know, looking back at the series that we grew up with, that can be a great way to look back on it and let me mention too that the producers and creators of this documentary are currently right now working on a Voyager version that went into crowdfunding and succeeded, and that we should be seeing with the next year a Voager version of a very similar documentary like this.

36:19 Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to start Our tracks will be my first full go around with Voyager, so I'll have to wait on that documentary, but I'm glad they're making her. And as always, thanks to our listeners for joining us. Hailing frequencies are always open for you to share your thoughts and questions on Facebook, Instagram, and your favorite social channels. You can email us at a film by Podcast at gmail dot com, find us online at a film by podcast dot com, and if you're looking for more exclusive content and swag, send some latinum our way through Patreon. We'll see you next time for another episode of Phaser. Just said it's done.