Aug. 3, 2025

Prince - Under the Cherry Moon

Prince - Under the Cherry Moon
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Season 6A Film By...

Some of your asked for it. Some of you feared it. What Jeff and guest Jason Colvin of the Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast started, David and Scott continue. Get ready for a Return to Cherry Moon!

Special appearance by Jason Colvin. Check out his hilarious observations on the episode below!
1986: Under the Cherry Moon

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This is like this if you if you've never seen

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this movie before, This is like if somebody watched The

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Phantom Menace and said, Okay, some good, some bad.

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I'm equating a Phantom menas purple ring. Okay, some good,

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some bad, some very exciting, some very interesting. Let's take

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the jar Jar Binks part and make a whole movie

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out of it and then make him the director.

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Oh wow, yeah, okay that that that that works. That

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absolutely works. Uh And and this is tricky just describing

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us about tricky. But I kind of feel like their

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relationship it looks a little intimate at times. Am I

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am I of line because.

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There's a lot of uncomfortable, very close talking between these two.

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Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. And and

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I can even I can even understand, when you know,

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you get angry with with someone, whether it's your friend

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or your brother, or your cousin or your sidekick, you

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might get within close proximity to talking to each other.

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But I can't imagine any situation where I'm going to

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take a bath and and you're gonna sprinkle rose petals,

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you know, like sporadically throw rose petals into my bath

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and sit next to me and talk while I'm while

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I'm bathing. That's that's just that's just weird.

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I mean, I you and I have become friends, but

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I Am not going to sprinkle rose petals.

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While you're taking a bath. Of all the things that

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I could ask you to do, that will never be

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well of them, It just won't. I'll tell you what

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I'm gonna give you, guys. I'm gonna give you guys

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a shot here. I didn't tell you as I didn't

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tell you I was gonna do this, but I was like,

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we could have some fun. We don't have to talk

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about this movie. Provided one of you can answer, oh God,

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a trivia question and I'll give you I'll let you,

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guys decide who can answer it, and I'm gonna give

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you the I'm gonna give you the category. The category

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is Star Trek.

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Okay, all right?

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Who wants to? Who wants to? Who wants to take

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a stab at? That's saving yourselves?

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Why why is Wayne not here?

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He's the guru?

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Uh Scott?

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You can all right?

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That might be a good That might that might be

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a good call. Because I'm going to ask you about

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a character from Star Trek Discovery.

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Oh ship.

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Okay, so Scott, Yeah, let me just google it real quick.

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You get out of there, Scott, Scott, all you need

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to do is tell me what character mentioned playing drums

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for Prince?

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Which character?

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Yeah, which Star Trek character had a dream that he

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was playing drums for Prince that he was Yes.

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In other words, we're talking about mm hmmm.

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I know there's hold on.

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No, you can't be cheating. You can't be looking it up.

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No, I'm not looking it up A drink of water.

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No, no, no, Gus, times run out, Scott, we need

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an answer, standards. I'm sorry, that's not correct. In the

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episode and obol for Charon, jet Reno, upon regaining consciousness,

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mentions having dreamed of playing drums for Prince, which means, gentlemen,

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that Prince is Cannon. Prince and his music is Cannon,

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and his movies are all Cannon in the Star Trek universe,

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jet Reno. Yes, I've never watched Discovery, so I don't

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know who that is. You guys had a shot.

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Though, well we had a shot O. Sorry, okay, No,

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it's it's fine. Other than the fact that Commander jet

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Reno is a twenty third century female Human Federation Starfleet officer.

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I don't know what that means in relation to the

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question you said, he I said, well, you know, I

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don't know who you did. You weren't gonna do it anyways.

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No, I wasn't gonna know it anyway.

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I wouldn't know either, So don't I can't sit there

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like that.

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But don't sit there like John McClain and Diehoer with aventures. No. No,

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the answer is one we're not going to We're not

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going to debate, you know, Jet Reno.

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Hey, you shot this is It's fine, this is Christopher

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Tracy's parade. Totally fine. I just I don't know what

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we did uh to make you make us watch this movie.

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But I'm really really sorry. I apologize unreservedly. I do

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offer a complete and utter retraction.

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Yeah, halfway through this movie, I'm questioning everything. I'm questioning life.

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What what?

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What did? What do you do to?

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Yeah?

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And where does that?

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All?

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Right?

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We'll talk about where this stacks up with Troll and

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powered the Duck and Scott.

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If there's any if there's any consolation, if there's any consolation,

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we're here today because it's entirely your fault.

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No, that's that's totally play. I will take this bullet.

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There's nobody I would rather talk about Under the Cherry

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Moon with than you and Dave. I just wish weighing

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the best of luck. When he and Amber have to

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say there, they're ten hail jefferies to uh serve their

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dependance and watch this this.

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I'll tell you what you know, we were talking, we

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were talking about Superman a minute ago out. I'll give

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you guys an opportunity. At the end of the pod,

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I'll give you guys an opportunity to be heroes. You know,

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we'll see, we'll see how we'll see how you're feeling.

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But in the meantime, let's talk about a film by Prince,

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his nineteen eighty six disastrous directorial debut, Under the Cherry Moon. Hello, everybody,

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and welcome back to a Film by podcast. I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm.

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David Burns, and I'm Scott Hoffman and Scott we are.

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We're here because of you me so as memory as

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memory serves. A couple of years back, you know, we

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had our limited series nineteen eighty six going, and Jason

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Colvin made a offhanded remark joking that we you know,

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we ought to do under the Cherry Moon mm hmm,

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and I pretended not to hear it mm hmm. But

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then I don't know, six seven times you you you

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brought it up on other pods, on other episodes.

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It's like Beetlejuice, I said it too many times.

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Yeah, you you don't open the decronomicon and start reciting

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incantations and not expect shit to happen. Man, like you

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said candy Man five times, You said candy Man five times,

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you said Beetlejuice three times. You just kept saying cherry Moon.

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And and then me and Jason took the bullet because

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as as I as I recall, I said, hey, guys,

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you want to do this? And you both laughed in

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my face. You said, absolutely not, We're not doing that.

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And uh, I got Jason, our our dear friend Jason

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Colvin from the Surely you Can't Be Serious podcast to

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join us. We did it. We took our medicine.

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It was a gem of an episode. Was genuinely an

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amazing episode.

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It was a it was absolutely a fun conversation, it

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really was. But then over the years, Scott, you you

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kept bringing up Cherry Moon.

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Oh, I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it.

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And that's why that's why we're here today for a

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return to Cherry Moon.

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So what have I done?

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I have got dragged a hell because of you, Scott.

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Dave. Several days ago, Dave sends a message in the

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chat what format, what outline are we using for this

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stupid movie? At that point, I was like, well, is

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this going to be? You know, we're not doing nineteen

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six because Jason and I already did that and you know,

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so I don't know what this is going to be,

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like an amalgam of things, I think, but uh, let

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me give.

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You much like this movie. Much like this movie.

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Let me let me give you three facts about Prince

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and uh and a quote. Diagnosed with epilepsy as a child,

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he suffered from seizures throughout early childhood, but in two

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thousand and nine, he openly talked about his condition and

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is one of the very few celebrities to ever go

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public about it, and he actually credits epilepsy with motivating

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him to become a performer.

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Well good for him, Yeah, yeah, that's wow. I had

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no idea.

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Let's talk about some of the company that Prince kept

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and I'm not talking about the ladies. We'll get to

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them in a minute. Prince, along with Sylvester Stallone, Roberto Obernini,

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Kevin Costner, William Shatner, because Dave, it all comes back

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to Star Trek Yes and Tom Green. These gentlemen, maybe

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with exception of Tom Green, you can say these are

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these are some pretty amazing actors in Hollywood.

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I agree.

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They all share the dubious honor of directing themselves in

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performances that won them a as the Award for Worst Actor.

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What a great club to begin.

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How about that club?

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It's got like paper coasters. There's like a streaming door

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on the front of it.

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We mentioned Jason Colvin, this one's for him. Prince was

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an avid basketball fan and his favorite team just happened

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to be the Oklahoma City Thunder, who recently won the

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twenty twenty five championship against the Pacers. Really that's cool now,

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Look quote from The Purple One on being cool, Prince said,

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cool means being able to hang with yourself. All you

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have to do is ask yourself, is there anybody I'm

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afraid of? Is there anybody who if I walked into

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a room and saw I'd get nervous. If not, then

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you're cool. Sounds like something David Burns would say.

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Was thinking when you're recording them. Hey, that's something that

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probably would say.

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Yeah, yeah, guys, let's I want to take a quick second.

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I want to watch I want to watch the trailer

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real quick.

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Let's do it. Okay, we get my tongus.

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Okay, what don't have to.

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See it?

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Just jump hear it from dust.

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Jail, don't.

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Feel it, extremely.

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Live it. I'm gonna show you a soul about.

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Princh his new motion picture Under the Cherry Moon. You

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feel the beat, you all feel the heat.

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We could help.

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Under the Cherry move all right. So here's the thing.

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Am I wrong in saying that this actually looks like

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a good mesmerizing neo noir film wise? Yes? I mean

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you gotta be a little excited for it, a little.

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I mean, if I didn't know the history, if I

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didn't know the history of this movie, you knowing it

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just seeing that trailer by itself, Yeah, sure, probably I

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would go with that.

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Yeah, I think it's probably good. You know, let's go

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back to when this came out. There's probably a little

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bit of phantom Menace effect going on. Here where you

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see the trailer, you see Prince who was like at

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the peak of cool, and he's doing a black and

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white noir movie. You know it's gonna be stylish, you

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know it's gonna have good songs. So yeah, it's no

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surprise I would pull people in.

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Here's the thing I don't get. Prince Rogers Nelson was

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five foot two and a half and weighed somewhere between

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one hundred and thirty five and one hundred and fifty pounds. Yes. Wow,

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Yet he's romantically linked to Kim Basinger, Madonna, Carmen Electra,

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Vanity Appollonio Catero, Sheila E, Susannah Hoffs, and Sherilyn Finn

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just to name a few. I mean, was like, fuck, yeah, yeah,

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and he's yeah, he's Prince. But you know, Kim Bason

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was five foot seven, yeah, barefoot. Kim Basi was five second.

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I think the shortest I think the shortest lady he's

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he's spent time with was five foot four. What Scott

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is he really is? Prince? Really? Was he that really

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that sexy?

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I mean, it's charisma, it's style, He's a musical genius.

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So I would say it's not that surprising. I doubt

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that he was wooing them while, you know, chewing on

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a butterscotch like he was in this movie doing the

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Bella Lagosi thing. But you know, there's I can see

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why they'd be attracted to.

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What do you think about is uh his clothes.

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His clothes were very prince, but they also felt very

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out of place, you know, for the period for everybody else.

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I mean, like, he's not gonna wear like a you know,

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a three piece suit the whole time. I get that,

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but it's very prince.

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We're on the we're on the French riviera. It looks,

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you know, we got mo and cars, but there's no

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clue as to what year it is, right m Yeah,

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I guess so his his his his outfits are a

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little questionable.

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Yeah, enigmatic, how about that?

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Okay, all right, here's here's my challenge. Here's my challenge.

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Yep.

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If I if I spend the money on one, just

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one prince outfit, I will pay for your conventions in

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twenty twenty six. All you have to do is, Dave,

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you get to here's the deal. You get to. You

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get to go to every every con in twenty twenty

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six for free. It's on my dime. You just have

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to dress like prince.

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Oh, I'll take you up on that offer. Can I

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choose what outfit?

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No, you can't.

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Well some of us can cook because.

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In the tuxedo. Try, I thought I had him, No

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pure prince good? Try Yeah, Dave, think of all the

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all the celebrities that we've met, Think about all the

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ones that we will meet coming soon. No, you get

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your photo? You could you could get a photo taken

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with them.

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No, because I know you too well and I know

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the offence that you're probably gonna pick for me.

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I'm good like that, you know, like that headband ensemble

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things playing piano. No, ok, I'm good.

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You might.

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You might look good.

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Just own it. Just burst into the door and say

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baby on the star man.

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A hundred minutes of this movie and painful minutes. Well,

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how many times have you watched it? Because this is

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it's like my third time. Now, jeez, I well, I

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made a mistake. I made a mistake because I forgot

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to say, you know, hey, I did my time. You

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know now it's it was supposed to my My thought

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was that you and Scott would be alone doing this.

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But but I didn't prep you. I didn't give you

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any kind of outline. So I was like, oh, I

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guess I gotta I can just moderate. I don't know.

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I'm kind of I'm stuck here too. I'm like the Harbinger,

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you know, I'm like the Red Skull, and I'm like

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the Red Skull and endgame. Just I'm stuck here with

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on the Cherry Moon.

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In the center hub. And then you had to go back.

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Scott has drug you to hell again. See you got

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away and you just got drug right back to.

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Yeah. I had seen this once before because you and

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Jason had watched it, because I had already been through

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Howard the Duck and Troll and uh I uh, a

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couple of other movies, and I went through it. I

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watched it, and I could not believe what I was seeing.

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And then for some reason, I just haded to watch

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it again for this episode.

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When you guys were talking about this movie, Oh, come on,

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it can't be that bad. Come on, it can't be

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that bad. And then I hit play and started watching it.

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And then I started the performances that I was witnessing,

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the eye rolling that he was doing while he's playing

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the piano and eyeing basically, I don't know, making love

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to this girl as she's he's watching her playing. Is

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he's young the piano? No immedi they Oh my god,

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what if I got myself into he.

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Scott, You mentioned Bella Lagosi and I don't know what's

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going on. He's I don't think he's purposely trying to

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be silly with this Bella Lagosi eye thing that he's

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got going on in the movie, but it's so awkward

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and it is cringey.

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He really needed an acting coach here. I don't know

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if he had one. I don't know. Maybe he refused wine.

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It's hard to say, but man, did he need one desperately.

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Yeah, And I mean you know that he's like, you know,

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he's playing into the silly. It's him and Tricky and

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Katie and they're saying like, well, we're not going to

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give you the rent, but what else can we do?

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And then then I feel like he is leading in

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to the silly of it a little bit. I think

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he and Jerome on several occasions here are having fun,

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but I kind of feel like they're having too much fun.

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It's kind of like, I mean, there's a difference between

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watching somebody have fun, and then it's kind of like, oh,

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it makes it fun for us, but it almost kind

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of seems like it's just fun for them so many

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times that that's what kind of pulls me out of.

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It some of these Scott, you're dangerously close to defending

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the performances of Prince and Jerome bitten and I'm digging this, man.

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I didn't I didn't have that on my Bengo card.

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So this is an alternate reality.

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Scott did not bother you guys. Do you guys are cousins?

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Right?

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Okay?

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I think they're supposed to be brothers.

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Okay, So I don't want to step on the episode

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that Jason I did too much. I'm gonna try. I'm

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gonna go out of my way to not do that.

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But we had this conversation, and when you do the research,

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it's something. Some things you read they're brothers, and some

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things you read there their cousins. And Tricky even calls

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him cousin. Yeah. Yeah, Yet there's some really heated moments

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between them where they are just millimeters from each other's faces.

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That's where I was going with that. Jeff, the scene

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where he's in the bathtub, and tricky is just like

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putting pedals into the flower, I mean into the into

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the water, and he's playing with a Fisher Price little person.

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I mean, Okay, so we've we've been on the road

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plenty of times, our group right where doing doing the

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convent stuff. So we should we share hotel rooms. I

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I gotta know, like, if if I'm taking a bath, Scott,

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how comfortable are you sitting subside having a conversation.

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You know that that's your personal time, Jeff, you do

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what you gotta do in there.

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Here's the thing I'm not saying. I'm gonna request that

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you distribute rose petals like sporadically in the bath while

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we're while we're talking. But I just kind of feel like,

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maybe there's a there's some boundaries.

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There's some boundaries. I think you can answer your own

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phone calls, you know. I feel like the cordial stretch,

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I feel like along those lines. You know, it's I

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don't know, it's entirely possible, and I don't want to

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step on the or rehash what you guys had already

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talked about. But maybe they're just thrown around those terms

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and making it kind of ambiguous. But they're friends that

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are so close that they kind of say like, oh

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cousin and YadA, YadA, YadA. But it's more like they

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had grown up together or they had that kind of relationships.

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They're not really related, but.

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You know, our friendships go nearly thirty years now, yep,

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And I don't because I don't feel phone after thirty years.

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I don't feel like I'm I'm bathtub close with you

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guys yet.

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No, and it won't happen either. Put that out there.

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Well, what I'm wondering was he didn't he didn't splurge

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for the bubbles.

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Like, yeah, that's that's that's the other. That's a good point, Scott.

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There are no bubbles narrow him a bottle of uh,

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you know, mister bubble to be found there. And I

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think could you use some some strategically placed SuDS.

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Well, let's let's point out that he gets out of

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the tub and then goes back in to the tub.

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Okay, one tub scene wasn't enough. We gotta get back

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in the we gotta get back in the water.

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Now, maybe Tricky is smart. He's throwing the petals because

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there's so he's trying to cover things up, trying to.

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Listen. There's a pile of washcloths on the table. We

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don't need, we don't need flower petals. We need we need,

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we just need some coverage.

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You need leaves of lettuce, lettuce. Just yeah, answer your

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own phone.

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That's all good, good, good call Scott Dave. For those

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that we're never brave enough to watch Under the Cherry Moon,

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can you can you tell our listeners what this one's

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all about? Can you give us one of your famous synopsis?

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Yeah, I've got one. It's short and I went with

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him as cousins, so we'll roll with that, okay, But

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first I must say I must have that disease. What

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is it called? It's called stupid. Just like this film,

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two cousins, Tricky and Christopher, who are from Florida, find

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themselves in Mediterranean and in the Mediterranean enjoying scamming as

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many people as they can to make a living. The

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cousins meet Mary, who was about to hear a lot

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of money, so they had to plan to go after her,

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but only for Chris to fall in love with her,

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making Tricky jealous, who eventually tells her what is going on,

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driving the cousins apart.

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Thank you, uh you know, and again, I'm gonna try

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not to do this often, but uh, I know, I know.

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Jason Covin called this cocktail meets dirty rotten scoundrels except dumb,

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with a little bit of dirty dancing thrown in there.

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Maybe well, okay, a little, maybe a little bit. He

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also said that, uh, this would be like, you know,

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because we're we're big prince fans. Real quick, where are

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you guys with princes?

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Are you?

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Are you prince fans? Like I'm talking to music, not

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of course, pecifically under the chairman. Okay, so we're all

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prince forrs. Right, Okay, let's get that out of the way.

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We loves Yeah. I think Jason said something along the

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lines of if this was Star Wars, it's like, let's

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remove all the good and let let's just do a

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whole movie about jar Jar Binks. And I was like,

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you know what that that actually that that's an cherry moon.

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That is under the cherry moon.

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It is it is.

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Uh, let's talk about some of the some of the

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some of the characters here though, Drome Bitten playing tricky,

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this is this is Jerome from a Morris Day in

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the in the time. If you if you weren't aware,

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I know you are. Scott loves Jungle Love. It's one

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of his favorite tracks. The Man, I'm yeah, the Man

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with the Mirror? Yeah, how could he? Scott? Could he

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overact any anymore than what he's doing here?

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I'm absolutely sure he could.

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Yeah, Oh you're thinking there's more? You think you think?

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You think he has a You think Tricky has a

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few more tricks up his sleeve.

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I think if he had had more scenes, he probably

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would have chewed that scenery as as much as possible

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because they were both just like they were just having

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a good time with this. So yeah, I think he

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would have turned it way up.

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Is the movie better with more more Tricky?

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No? No, no.

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Again, Scott, you're you're It sounds like you're you're definitely

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pro Jerome, and I think that ain't a bad thing.

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But it just seems like you're I think, as we

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go along, we're gonna we're gonna get to the you

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know this this the the center, and we're going to

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find out that maybe you maybe, yeah, maybe you like

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this movie get.

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To the post. Well, I'll tell you what, as oh,

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here we go has seen this? So what I realized

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watching this the second time. Is not that I like

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this movie, but I understand it. I think a little

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bit more that it seems to be a movie by

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Prince for Prince, possibly for Prince's deepest fans, his closest friends,

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because you see a lot of that Prince style. You

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see that he's not going to apologize for anything, and

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he's not going to change anything for anybody. But that

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gets in his own way, because to me, it's just

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like it's overly stylized, it's overly done, it's over the top,

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and they're just kind of laughing through it. But I

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kind of feel like if I had dropped a movie ticket,

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you know, bought a movie ticket for this, I would

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not be happy. In eighty six. It wouldn't be the

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kind of Prince movie that I would want to see.

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There's only one thing I like about this movie, and

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that was black and white. I think that was a

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good artistic way to go. But other than that, I

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didn't like the film at all.

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Yeah, all right, well, well I do want to talk

471
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:12.440
about that here in a minute also, Dave. But let's

472
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.200
focus on some stuff that's that's scoring good in the movie.

473
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.640
Kristin Scott Thomas Kristin Scott Thomas in her her feature

474
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:24.519
film debut. Yeah this is maybe this is peak Scott

475
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:25.119
Thomas Ton.

476
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.680
Oh, absolutely, yep.

477
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.079
You have to You have to love the introduction of

478
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.799
her character her birthday party, in her birthday twenty first

479
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.480
birthday party, she debuts her birthday suit.

480
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:39.240
Yeah.

481
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:41.960
And then for reasons I don't understand, she jumps on

482
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.960
the drums. She plays them very badly. And then this

483
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.599
whole thing with like Scott was bringing up the bell

484
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.119
Lagosi in the eyes like I don't know what's going

485
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.200
on with her, and and Prince like he's he's across

486
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:58.279
the courtyard and they're kind of having sex just with

487
00:28:58.359 --> 00:28:58.960
their eyeballs.

488
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.279
Yeah, I guess he does a lot in that in this.

489
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:05.200
So he does, he does. I'm gonna, can I get

490
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.279
Can I get controversial here for a minute?

491
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:07.759
Sure?

492
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:08.200
All right?

493
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:09.279
All right?

494
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.519
So two years before we get Purple Rain, which is

495
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.079
a classic nineteen eighty four it's just it's it's unbelievable.

496
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:15.440
Yep.

497
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:21.519
And we get Prints in Apollonia, the laters of the

498
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:26.720
waters of Lake Minnetaka. I know what I'm talking about. Yeah, Now,

499
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:33.079
I'm not saying we needed the audience's view. But shouldn't

500
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:34.559
we at least seen like a little bit of the

501
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:40.279
backside there, Scott, Yeah, you know, it's just you know,

502
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.599
it's it's a little playful. It's not like she's an

503
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.599
Oscar winner. She's she's twenty one years old. It's her

504
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.559
first movie. You mean, in that first scene or just

505
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:50.720
in that in that first No, in that first scene,

506
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:54.960
because they're The sex scene between them later is an abomination,

507
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:57.480
and the less we see of it the better, in

508
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:01.079
my opinion. In the car, yeah, well, in the car

509
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.119
and on the Rocky Shore, the hidden oh yeah, yeah,

510
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.119
Rocky Shore. Yeah, it's it's bad, but just a little

511
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.160
couldn't Scott, could we got things? Couldn't things have been

512
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:10.839
a little cheeky?

513
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.799
Possibly? But like we intended to see her when you

514
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.240
first hear her. I mean, would it have made sense

515
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.519
at the time in the story, yes, would it have

516
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.400
kind of popped the balloon on all our sex appeal

517
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.480
to say, like, hey, I'm naked, you're gonna see You're

518
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.079
talking just a little bit. You're not saying that.

519
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.680
I'm just saying no, I don't want to see I

520
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.839
don't want to see the audience that that's in front

521
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.519
of her. I don't want their peep. I just I'm

522
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.400
just saying, she drops the towel, you know, a little

523
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:39.759
I mean a little backside.

524
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.960
Maybe maybe that's in the alternate reality video store you

525
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:45.799
get a little taste of that.

526
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:46.920
Or she refused.

527
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:48.519
That could be the case exactly.

528
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.839
Maybe Prince wanted it and she's like, no, we're not,

529
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.839
You're not going to refuse. Prince.

530
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:54.160
Look at those eyes of his.

531
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.200
The Bello Legosia.

532
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.680
He's in a Bella Lagosia. Yeah, I don't know.

533
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.279
So I've got a quote from Kristen Scott Thomas about

534
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.599
this movie. Okay, so she says, when I left drama school,

535
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.480
I was more afraid of not working at all than

536
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.079
of the actual material I was being offered. And if

537
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:12.680
you look at me at my very first film, you

538
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.160
understand exactly what I mean.

539
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.319
I mean, it's amazing that she survived this and she

540
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.200
went like this. She went on to do the English Patient,

541
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.319
so you know she's okay, she did good. Hey, listen, Scott,

542
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:28.200
I'm not saying I like that.

543
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.000
She went on to slow horses, which is much better

544
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.079
than English patients. From Mary Sharon, I would.

545
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.559
Say, yeah, but wasn't she in The Horse Whisper too?

546
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:41.720
Didn't she play the mother in the Horse Whisper?

547
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:42.920
Uh?

548
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:43.680
Maybe?

549
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.640
Maybe? Scott? Are you are you connecting under the Cherry

550
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:51.000
Moon to the amazing Apple Plus TV show Slow Horses?

551
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.279
Scott? What are you doing? What are you doing right now?

552
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:57.279
Hell's happening here?

553
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.319
I'm saying she she shows up in this movie with

554
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.359
attitude and confidence and you know, all this other kind

555
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.799
of stuff. Does that help to set the pace for

556
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:11.319
other roles that she's gonna take Where she's in Slow

557
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.119
Horses and she's the the head of m I five

558
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.559
or whatever it is, and she's not taken anything from anybody.

559
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.519
You know, we couldn't have gotten there without this.

560
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.839
No, you know what she doesn't do in this movie though,

561
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:31.000
really not sure, but she doesn't save the movie. She

562
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.759
doesn't shore. But I'll tell you who who could have

563
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.200
saved this movie? Who was trying to save the movie?

564
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:38.200
Can we talk about the hero of the film?

565
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:39.240
Sure?

566
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:44.880
Sure, Burkeoff, mister Isaac Sharon?

567
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:46.279
Yeah?

568
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:51.519
Is it just is it bad riding? Is it bad direction?

569
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.240
Is it just bad in general? That the quote unquote

570
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.480
villain of the movie is the guy you're kind of

571
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.960
rooting for. The guy, the guy that you kind of

572
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.440
he makes sense, right, and.

573
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.640
You should clearly not be rooting for this guy. But

574
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:09.880
you shouldn't be, but you are.

575
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.680
What's okay? A bad guy does bad things? What did

576
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.279
mister Sharon do that was so bad?

577
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:17.240
He?

578
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.000
Let's let's run down, let's let's let's bullet point this.

579
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.400
He's like what a billionaire shipping magnet or something of

580
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.119
that along the lines, gives his wife and daughter anything

581
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.000
they ever want. On her twenty first birthday, he's giving

582
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.000
his He's giving Mary a fifty million dollar yeah trust fund.

583
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:38.119
Uh.

584
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.799
Mary knows it's pretty obvious that that Christopher Tracy, you know,

585
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.119
aka Prince, is a jiggielow. He's out for her money.

586
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.960
He's trying to swindle her. She knows it. And when

587
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:54.839
Dad tells her this and tries to explain it, she's

588
00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:02.200
all like, you know, like me, I just you know,

589
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.559
he's he's he's a good guy. What what was his crime? Scott?

590
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:07.559
What do you do? I?

591
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.280
I think the moment that he turned to murderous rage

592
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:17.039
was when Christopher Tracy goes over to a phone booth

593
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.880
and calls him and it just goes through this tirade

594
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:23.639
of I'm going to do this to your daughter. I'm

595
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.800
gonna do this to your daughter. Yeah, I'm that guy

596
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:27.920
the other night, and there's nothing you can do about it.

597
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:34.159
Like he was, he was. Definitely, he's definitely poking the

598
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:35.559
bear for sure.

599
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.519
Christopher Tracy is the woody woodpecker of the French riviera.

600
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.920
He is just he's just out to get get at you.

601
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.559
And uh, I don't know. Stephen Barkoff. He's known for

602
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:52.400
playing villainous roles. You know, Victor Maitland in Beverly Hills,

603
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:57.760
Cop Colonel Podowski in Rambo First Blood Part two. Mm hm,

604
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.039
you know he was a he was a general and octopusy. Yeah,

605
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.280
but he's not a bad guy here. He's not.

606
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:06.400
He's not.

607
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.239
You can understand for sure where he's coming from. Yes,

608
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.599
absolutely do I endorse murder.

609
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.079
Okay, well hold on, let's let's let's help coming from.

610
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.000
Let's help the listeners who maybe have made it this

611
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.960
far on the like Jesus Christ another cherry moon, maybe

612
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.159
they haven't seen it. Let's let's let's uh for those

613
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.000
that haven't seen it. There, let's let's clarify. He does

614
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.239
not murder. Christopher Tracy one.

615
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.159
Of his thugs. Is that fair? Well, I mean he

616
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.400
gets the order, does he not? He says shoot him.

617
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.760
In the heat of the moment, you know, stop that guy,

618
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:45.400
shoot him?

619
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.400
Order let him. In the series from a Film By podcast, we.

620
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.719
Say things like, you know, just because you say, man,

621
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.360
I could, I could kill that guy, doesn't mean you're

622
00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:04.480
gonna actually kill that guy, mister Sheeron, man, Dave can

623
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.920
ask you. I'm gonna give you choices. I like choices, Okay,

624
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.079
Choice one. You can hang around. You can spend the

625
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.800
day at an art gallery in Beverly Hills with Victor Maitland.

626
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:22.800
Or you can spend the day in Vietnam and I

627
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.679
don't know what he was doing besides torturing people with

628
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.719
electricity and bedframes, but uh, you can hang out with

629
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.079
you can hang out with Padoski, or you can you

630
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:33.960
can hang out on the French revi area with with

631
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.159
mister Sharon who you gonna spend the day with? Which

632
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.639
which burkoff are you spending your day with?

633
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.039
I think I'm gonna play it safe and I'm gonna

634
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.039
go with mister Sharon here on the French rivy Era,

635
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.840
because I mean, come on, it's the French riviy era

636
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.239
and let's have alcohol flowing and lady, So I think

637
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:51.400
I'm gonna go to the save route here.

638
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.400
Well, see, I knew you were gonna say that, and

639
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.920
it just it just strengthens my point that mister Sharon's

640
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:01.679
he's a good hang, he's good time, a good guy. Yeah,

641
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:02.400
he's a good guy.

642
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:04.800
He's not the villain, I'll give you that.

643
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.039
Who is the villain? Is it tricky? Is it Christopher?

644
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.320
I think Christopher Tracy is the villain. I think, so

645
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.960
let's let's not forget he. Okay, So he opens the

646
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:23.960
movie openly as a con man. He is seducing older

647
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.719
divorcees yep, to get their money and that's that's their

648
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:30.840
game like that, and he's like, aah, I'm getting tired

649
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:32.760
of this. So he's it's this is like one of

650
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.119
those classic one last score type of movies, right, and

651
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.760
here comes you know, twenty one year old smoke show

652
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.519
Christin Scott Thomas, who's got fifty million dollars and if

653
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.679
he could just get her and get all that money,

654
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.599
they can go back to Miami because like there's like

655
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.599
a weird subplot where they're on the run from someone.

656
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:53.559
Yeah.

657
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:56.639
I never understood that. Did you that missed something I've

658
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:57.960
I mean, I've only seen it three times, but.

659
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.239
You didn't miss anything because I discutched my hit on

660
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:00.880
that one as well.

661
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.039
They're hiding out in the French rivi Era, but they

662
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.719
want to go back home to Miami, but they're they

663
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.719
not until they get the money. So I don't know

664
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.760
who they I don't know who's after him, but that

665
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.760
would have been a cool avenue to go down.

666
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.719
Maybe maybe it's more interesting or pretty cool.

667
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.440
We don't need it, I think I think the only

668
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.719
thing Scott needs more than one hundred minutes. He's like,

669
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:26.079
we could have we could have delved another backstory a

670
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:26.480
little more.

671
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.840
The only thing that would say this is the Colvin

672
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.840
cut that you that Jason provided on the the episode

673
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.400
you did together. Yeah, that I would want to see

674
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.519
in the Alternate Reality Video Store once.

675
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.519
But just well, you know, listeners go back check out

676
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:50.360
are nineteen eighty six under the Cherrymoon episode. Because I

677
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.360
know we're I know we've alluded to it several times.

678
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.840
We probably will several more times. But there's some fun

679
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:57.480
stuff in that one. Jason Colvin we had, we had

680
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.320
a great time and you know, he gave us one

681
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:01.079
of his famous COVID cuts, how to how to fix

682
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.719
a movie. Basically, he gave us a better soundtrack. He

683
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.679
he he fixed the movie and good time had.

684
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.760
By all speaking speaking of that soundtrack, is it just

685
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.679
me or the music just did not match what was

686
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.639
going on in these scenes at well?

687
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.800
So there's like, let's be honest, there's maybe three good songs. Yeah,

688
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.679
you know it's it's the Parade album. A lot of

689
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.440
it didn't match, You're right, And I think that's where

690
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:31.119
Jason went with his his uh his recut, his remastering

691
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:32.639
of the of the soundtrack, where he was like, I

692
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.800
were to take this these two songs from this Prince

693
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.920
album and these two from this Prince album, We're gonna

694
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:42.039
move this scene to the Yeah, it's pretty cool even

695
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:42.400
when you know.

696
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:42.719
You're right.

697
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:44.760
When they were having at it on the island, the

698
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:45.559
music was going with that.

699
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:50.639
Was so well. Okay, So the song Kiss Kiss isn't

700
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.239
it's it's one of it's one of the best Prince

701
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.760
songs ever, Like it's it's it's iconic, yep. But him

702
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.199
mulling Kristen Scott Thomas on the beach with those close

703
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:05.800
ups of the hand holding. I don't know what's going

704
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:09.159
on there. I don't want to. I don't want to

705
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.000
get into his his his kissing style because me and

706
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:19.079
Jason talked at length about it, maybe a little too

707
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.239
awkwardly and uncomfortably. But but I will say this, it's

708
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.360
it's kind of like if you if you puckered your

709
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.840
lips and then just tried to smear them against someone's

710
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:32.679
face like a paintbrush. It's kind of what he's doing.

711
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.639
Yeah, I guess see that. It's like it's just batching.

712
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:37.920
It is terrible.

713
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.519
It's like watching two catfish fight over a life savers, like, Yeah,

714
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:43.519
it just didn't seem to.

715
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.159
Be like well, and here's the other thing about the

716
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.400
the If you look at the blocking of the of

717
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:50.360
that shot, like it's it's a lot of extreme close

718
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:54.559
ups because Kristin Scott Thomas is not five 't two

719
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.960
and a half, he's significantly taller, and then when you

720
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.039
put his one hundred and thirty pounds and that twelve

721
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.760
year old boy's body on top of it, it just

722
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:08.360
looks kind of weird. So weird, Yeah, a little word.

723
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:13.920
I know we'd normally take a little little commercial break here,

724
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:15.480
but you know what, I think, We're just gonna power through,

725
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:26.000
all right, We'll power through this. Yeah, that's right, cabbage heads.

726
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:33.199
All right, little background. So following, like we talked about this,

727
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.519
uh follow the smashed success of Purple Rain, Warner Brothers

728
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:42.079
green lights this movie based solely on Prince's initial concepts

729
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.760
of this character, Christopher Tracy, running around Miami, you know,

730
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:51.000
seducing women, and obviously you know they couldn't get Miami,

731
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.000
so he settles for the French rivier, which I don't

732
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:56.639
I don't know why he why you would say a

733
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.320
little you know, niece France. You know, we'll we'll settle

734
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.559
for the riviera. Right, that's a bummer. Here's a here's

735
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.320
a good one, f for you. He approaches Martin Scorsese

736
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:07.559
to direct this movie.

737
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:08.639
Mm hmm.

738
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:15.360
Shockingly Martin said no, he passed, shockingly. What kind of

739
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.320
movie do we get though? What kind of movie do

740
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.840
we get though? If Martin Scorsese is directing Under the

741
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.320
Cherry Moon? Definitely, clearly it's a little it's clearly a

742
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.599
little more serious. Right, Clearly, who's Scott who's doing the

743
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.360
narration throughout the movie? Is it tricky? Is it Maitland,

744
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:33.400
not Maitland.

745
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.199
Little slip slip of the burke off or is it

746
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.920
Mary or is it a is it a collection? Like?

747
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:43.840
Is it like are we going doing like a casino

748
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:47.480
or Goodfellas where you're getting like multiple people giving you

749
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.599
a little I.

750
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.000
Could see multiple people, but we would also get more

751
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:53.760
of their backstory from Miami with scorts as he because

752
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:55.360
it would definitely go more of than Mafia route.

753
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.559
Oh yeah, we know we didn't know who uh who's

754
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:01.039
after him.

755
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.760
Maybe that's so maybe the pursuer is doing the narration.

756
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.000
I can see that, and mister Sharon would have we

757
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:09.400
know more about mister Sharon too.

758
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.079
Yeah, sure, I say, I said. Marty definitely probably gives

759
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.079
him a little bit more of a criminal edge. He's

760
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:16.920
not he's at the hero of the movie that we

761
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.599
see him as. Maybe he's he's a flawed at best.

762
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.960
He's at best he's a flawed, a flawed hero.

763
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.760
Yeah ye, but yeah, uh.

764
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:29.719
So Marty, he's busy by the way he's doing. He's

765
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.000
doing a little film called The Color of Money. So

766
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.280
even if he wanted to, he he's not doing this

767
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.039
little film.

768
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:37.760
He chose wisely he did.

769
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:41.400
Yeah, we covered that one on our R eighty six series.

770
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:47.119
Great episode, a great great movie. Ultimately Mary Lambert, who

771
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:52.119
would go on to direct pet Cemetery one and two

772
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.760
Urban Legends, Bloody Mary. You know she she kind of

773
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.920
went the horror route. She was hired and Dave.

774
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.760
She quit over our favorite phrase, our favorite phrase, give

775
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:09.519
it to me. Creative differences, creative differences. A lot of

776
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.480
people quit over creative differences.

777
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:12.159
Uh they do?

778
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:13.039
You know?

779
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.559
Terrence Stamp was the original mister Sharon and he after

780
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:17.840
three weeks He's like, I'm out of here.

781
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:18.639
He seld the light.

782
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:27.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Scorsese, Mary Lambert, Terrence Stamp, Everyone's like, nah,

783
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:28.480
I'm out.

784
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:29.559
Uh.

785
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.199
Madonna was supposed to be Mary Sharon, which would have

786
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:34.440
made this blockbuster.

787
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:34.880
I know.

788
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.199
Again, Jason and I covered that, so I won't I

789
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.840
won't get into it, but we've seen her, but we

790
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.320
would We would have seen a lot of her. Yeah, yeah,

791
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:47.400
we definitely would have. She was busy though she was

792
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.039
also busy in eighty six. So she's doing Shanghai Surprise,

793
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.199
which Scott knows that movie all too well.

794
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:53.320
Yeah, what did.

795
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:57.519
We covered that one?

796
00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:58.360
On?

797
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.920
What Scott with that? A Patriot that was one of

798
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:02.719
the lost episodes, I think on our Patreon.

799
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:04.800
Yeah, I think, so it's definitely lost.

800
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.519
Go back, go back and listen to Scott fawn over

801
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.840
Madonna and Shanghai Surprise on our patret.

802
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.000
That's a good episode, classic movie.

803
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.320
All right, So, Dave, you mentioned one of the things

804
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:20.159
you like about the movie is that it's in black

805
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:20.559
and white.

806
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:21.000
I do.

807
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.679
Can we talk about the cinematography for a little bit,

808
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:31.320
the lack of well, okay, so to be fair, he

809
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.000
wants to shoot it black and white. Studio says no,

810
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.079
they shoot it in color, and then they turn it

811
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.880
black and white. Yeah, and you know that's always gonna

812
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.159
like you're lighting and everything's gonna look terrible. Yes, So

813
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.440
you're not happy with the cinematography.

814
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:46.880
Here, No, for one thing. I mean, even though it's

815
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.440
shut in black and white, it could have been done better.

816
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.280
It should have been shot actually in black and white,

817
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:54.159
because the blacks are not true blacks that you would

818
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.440
get if you shot this in complete black and white. So, yes,

819
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.440
that is a correct analogy you have get than about

820
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.480
shooting in color and sean black white. It doesn't work.

821
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.119
It does, but it doesn't look as good in my opinion.

822
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.639
Well, you're shooting in one of the most beautiful places

823
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.400
on earth, why don't you want some vivid color. It's

824
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:15.920
a mistake.

825
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.039
I think I could see that too. I think he

826
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.519
was just trying to go with something to really make

827
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:26.239
it stand out among other films in eighty six. I

828
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.239
really do, and I think that's why he went the

829
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:31.920
black and white route. Plus, come on Casablanca, those kind

830
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:33.639
of movies that were black and white back in the days,

831
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.559
and he's trying to give it that vibe. So I

832
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.480
see why he did it. But I also agree with

833
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:39.480
you as a two edgeword.

834
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.360
All right, So Scott, do you agree this is this

835
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.679
is not This is not good cinematography.

836
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.360
I totally agree. Yeah. I think the other thing that

837
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.519
I think they would have they would have created more

838
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:57.000
confusion if this had been released in color, even though

839
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:58.840
it was shot that way. So I can see that.

840
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.440
I can see that argument for it. But I think

841
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.639
the whole kind of you know, what time period is this,

842
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.320
we don't know, we don't know, we don't know, But

843
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.039
if it would have been released in color, it would

844
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.360
have seemed more modern, just because of the way that

845
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.000
Christopher Tracy is dressing the way that Mary is dressing,

846
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.519
it would have seemed like this could be nineteen eighty six,

847
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:24.519
which I think would have taken away from that kind

848
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:25.679
of mistique they were going for it.

849
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:31.719
So does the name Michael Ballhouse mean anything to you, guys? No,

850
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.559
it doesn't ring about Okay. So he is the director

851
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:39.719
of photography, So he shot this movie. Can I tell

852
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.760
you a few other movies that he shot?

853
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:42.559
Please?

854
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.199
So he is. This was a busy year for him

855
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.760
because as soon as he's knocking out this with Prince,

856
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.000
he's heading back to the States to shoot The Color

857
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:55.239
of Money for Martin Scorsese.

858
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:59.800
Oh wow, Yeah, that's shot extremely okay, all right, Oh oh,

859
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:01.599
I'm just I'm just getting started.

860
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.800
Nineteen eighty seven, he's the guy that gave us broadcast news.

861
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:06.960
Oh damn.

862
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.760
Nineteen eighty eight, he gets back with Marty for the

863
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:16.199
Last Temptation of Christ and Mike Nichols on Working Girl.

864
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:21.719
In nineteen ninety he shot Goodfellas with Scorsese.

865
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:23.000
What happened?

866
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.440
Oh but wait, there's more. Oh, there's so much more though.

867
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:30.159
What about Bob in nineteen ninety one, Bram Stoker's Dracula

868
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.000
in nineteen ninety two, The Age of Innocence in nineteen

869
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.519
ninety three. Again, Scorsese like, this is this is scorsesees guy. Yeah,

870
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.599
Wolfgang Peterson calls him up for Air Force One in

871
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.599
nineteen ninety seven, Gangs of New York, Gangs of New

872
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.320
York in two thousand and two, and The Departed in

873
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:48.079
two thousand and six.

874
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.920
So he's clearly a talented cinematographer.

875
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.039
Yes, yes, he's a vision. He's this is this is

876
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.679
one of the giants as far as I'm concerned. Think

877
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.440
about the cinematography for Gangs in New York work or

878
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.000
Bram Stoker's dracket.

879
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.320
Is beautiful, beful.

880
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.199
Yeah. And he also did Under the Cherry Moon.

881
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:11.960
I mean, everybody's got to start somewhere.

882
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.519
Can you really put that on him? Well, you know,

883
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.719
he's he's now John. I'm just I'm playing his greatest

884
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.199
hits there, Scott. He's been working since like the sixties.

885
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:21.280
Yeah, so.

886
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:23.559
It's just amazing.

887
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:25.039
Maybe he needed a paycheck.

888
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:31.480
And this is a Michael Caine Jawles revenge situation by

889
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:31.920
a house.

890
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:32.440
Yeah.

891
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.440
Can we take a look, uh, can we take a

892
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:41.719
look at this very stylish poster for the film.

893
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.760
Sure, very stylist yes, very stylish.

894
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.960
See it, hear it? Feel it lived, just like the trailer,

895
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:54.840
I mean, Scott this it's a gorgeous piece of work.

896
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:56.800
You gotta you gotta admit that, right.

897
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:01.039
Yes, yes, I would lose the the lines at the top,

898
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.000
see it here, I feel it livet Yeah, I'd lose

899
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.480
that entirely. I think it works much better without that.

900
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:10.840
I think they could have found a better pose for Tricky.

901
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.360
Yes, I agree with Okay, yeah, maybe maybe get him

902
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:15.880
off the phone.

903
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:22.840
Yeah, yep, yeah, maybe a better shot of Chris Scott Thomas.

904
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.920
But it's a very stylish outfit.

905
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.599
So it's it's a gorgeous poster. Yeah, can we can

906
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:31.760
we all agree that it's a it's a gorgeous poster.

907
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:32.440
It is.

908
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.079
My question is why is he sketched and they're not?

909
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.000
Well, that's a that's another good that's another good call.

910
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.480
I don't I don't know if that's like a maybe

911
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.719
that's a timing thing, like he didn't have enough time

912
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:43.159
to finish.

913
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.880
It could be because maybe if they'd.

914
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.800
Done that, it should have Yeah, it should have been

915
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.360
it should have been all like an all or nothing.

916
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:54.320
But uh, guy behind this poster, man named John Cosh,

917
00:50:55.400 --> 00:51:00.199
and he is an art director responsible for some of

918
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.199
history's greatest album covers, like the Rock and Roll Hall

919
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:06.719
of Fame up in Cleveland, where our buddy Andrew Blakeley lives.

920
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:11.199
There's like a whole thing dedicated to just his album covers.

921
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.519
And when I say he's done some of the biggest

922
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.840
and the best, this is the guy, the guy that

923
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:17.840
the guy that created this poster is the guy that

924
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.400
created the album cover for the Beatles, Abbey Road, Oh

925
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.000
Damn Wow, the Eagles Hotel, California. He did like a

926
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.800
dozen things for Linda Ronsad. He did about a dozen

927
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.039
Jimmy Buffett singles. We love you know worst Cincinna guys,

928
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.639
so we know we love Buffett. Oh, Tom Petty and

929
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.880
the Heartbreakers. This guy has worked with some of the

930
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.480
biggest and the best in the music industry. And when

931
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.800
you think of some of the most amazing album covers

932
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.760
you've ever seen, chances are it's John Cosh. Rolling Stones.

933
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:48.920
He did.

934
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:50.559
He did two covers for the Rolling Stones as well.

935
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:51.800
Impressed.

936
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.480
So when you think about, like, you know, I think

937
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.239
we're so quick to when we look at movie posters,

938
00:51:57.320 --> 00:51:59.320
we were so quick to say Drew shure Zan, you know,

939
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.119
because we we love his work. But then when you

940
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.079
see something like this and it's so stylized and so cool,

941
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.320
look and you're like, I wonder what that guy's done.

942
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.079
Well there you have it, yep, Well, and it takes

943
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:10.679
you back to the time period it's supposed to that

944
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.320
it's trying to write. Does want the font a dead

945
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:18.280
giveaway with that kind of thing and the saw blade

946
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.960
edges going down the side. Maybe that's why they chose

947
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.840
to go with the illustrated prints in the center. Like

948
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.079
he's wearing his tucks. He's not going into like the

949
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:31.920
you know, the stylish kind of prince outfits that we're

950
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.159
seeing throughout this maybe, so, you know, I think that's

951
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.599
a good choice because it at least makes it keeps

952
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:40.960
it ambiguous, but it feels like it's leaning a little

953
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.880
bit more towards this is something that happened in the past.

954
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:48.079
All right, let's talk. We've mentioned a couple scenes. I

955
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.440
might want to mention a few more, and maybe we

956
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.639
can we can talk about what the pivotal moment of

957
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:54.679
this movie is. I think we're all going to agree,

958
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.880
but I don't think we need to go back into

959
00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:59.880
the bathtub, So let's move on from that one.

960
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.800
He's no, how about how about.

961
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:08.599
This Keystone Cops Groucho Marx thing happened and where Tricky

962
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:13.800
and and Christopher used the cartoony ladder to sneak in

963
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:16.280
and you know, he's up, he's he's doing like a

964
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:20.360
Romeo Juliette thing where he wants to go seduce Mary,

965
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.599
but he goes into the wrong bedroom. It's their moms,

966
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.400
and there's kind of like a mistake and sexual assault

967
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:26.440
that's about to happen.

968
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.840
Yeah, I think delivering a pizza.

969
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.719
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well is it funny?

970
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:33.960
Is it?

971
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:34.440
Like?

972
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:34.920
Is it?

973
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:35.280
Is it?

974
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:36.159
Is it silly?

975
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:36.320
Like?

976
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:37.159
Is it silly enough to be?

977
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:37.280
Like?

978
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.320
All right, that's that's kind of fun. The whole mistaken

979
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.239
identify This is like a Jack Tripper Three's company moment.

980
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.320
I feel like, yeah, I mean he didn't go too far.

981
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.239
No, No, she was.

982
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.519
She was welcoming it, so it doesn't it So, yeah,

983
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.119
I don't take it went too far at all.

984
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.880
No, it's not that went to I mean going too far?

985
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.079
Is you know?

986
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.800
Lewis Skolnik in the Ruins of the Nerds, like wearing

987
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.159
the Darth Vader mask. Right, that's that's going too far.

988
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:02.880
Yeah, too far?

989
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:06.440
Yeah, Yeah, I get yeah, he does. It's it's it's silly,

990
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:10.119
it's a little funny. You know, Tricky's climbing up the

991
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:11.800
ladder and sneaking in and stay.

992
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.519
You know, I'm surprised Tricky went up there and got him.

993
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:19.000
I'm surprised Tricky didn't just take the letter and take.

994
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.920
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I honestly, I don't know

995
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.480
what motivates Tricky and less.

996
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:30.199
Money there is, what is it? Money that's the only

997
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.800
thing to motivate him, That's it, because clearly there was

998
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:39.360
something going between him and Mary, right, I mean if

999
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.519
there was, like you seem like I thought it was

1000
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.320
going that way and then all of a sudden it

1001
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:47.760
became Christopher and Mary Problis you get that jealousy, right.

1002
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.000
Yeah, for like ten minutes, like she's dating both of them,

1003
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.239
is what it seems like. Yeah, and I you know,

1004
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.840
that's another weird angle to this whole movie.

1005
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:59.719
But I think would have been a little bit funnier

1006
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.960
in that scene, as if Tricky climbs up the ladder,

1007
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:05.840
pulls the ladder up, and then uses the ladder go

1008
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:10.199
to Mary's room and say you deliver your pizza. I'm delivered.

1009
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.519
Mind is is this ninja gaiden?

1010
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:13.840
Like he.

1011
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:18.960
That's right, Scott's dog got Tricky to a park coral

1012
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.519
over this mansion Riviera. Yeah, I don't. I don't see

1013
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.440
Tricky being able to pull that ladder up. No chance, man.

1014
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.119
All right, So another scene and Scott kind of briefly

1015
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:33.880
touched upon this. We get the really awkward love scene

1016
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:38.960
on the beach, and then Prince does what any guy

1017
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:44.039
would do. He goes and calls her dad and basically

1018
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.400
taunts him mm hmm and tells him all these like

1019
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:48.960
I'm gonna do this with your daughter and this with

1020
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.079
your daughter, and you know, like what what the hell's

1021
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:52.599
going on there?

1022
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.119
Like what what?

1023
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.639
What's the motivation there?

1024
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.320
Like his first reaction was like, I'm gonna call your dad?

1025
00:55:58.800 --> 00:55:58.840
What?

1026
00:55:59.320 --> 00:55:59.519
Yeah?

1027
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:00.960
Who does that?

1028
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:07.400
Who does that? And yeah, I don't know. It's just

1029
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:08.599
it's a it's a creepy moment.

1030
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:13.880
It's yeah, it's it's the same person that keeps uh

1031
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.760
this odd assortment of candles in some kind of watery

1032
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:23.840
beach cave. Yes, like it's the Lost Boys or something like, and.

1033
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:25.519
Then he leaves her. Didn't he take her to the

1034
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:29.519
island and then leaves, Yeah, and then goes back to her.

1035
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.079
Of course that leads up to the ending. I'm like,

1036
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:32.519
what what the hell is going on?

1037
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:33.519
Yeah?

1038
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:34.239
Yeah?

1039
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:35.159
Uh?

1040
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.679
Do you guys want to talk briefly about how how

1041
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:44.079
absurd the climactic moment is where he where he gets killed?

1042
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:46.440
Well, first off, what I want to know is how

1043
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:49.639
the hell did Tricky get there so fast? Did he

1044
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:50.239
gets warped?

1045
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:50.400
There?

1046
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.119
Is that? What happened? Apparently? I think so?

1047
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:58.039
Yeah, Tricky drops off the candles, that's what it is.

1048
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:04.360
Ah ah, Tricky's setting up his little his little sex scene.

1049
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:05.199
Is that? What is that?

1050
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:05.719
What's going on?

1051
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:08.000
But Christopher left first?

1052
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:10.800
Yeah? Way, wait, wait wait wait, we're trying to make

1053
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.360
sense of this movie's okay?

1054
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:19.840
Yeah again, and you know the French police like, let's

1055
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.119
not forget it's it's not is it Maitland's Maitland? I

1056
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.440
did it again? Yeah, mister Sharon. Is is it Birkhoff's

1057
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:28.679
thugs that that shooting him or is it the French

1058
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:35.480
police because they're all chasing him? Yeah, for sure, because

1059
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:37.800
no one's going to jail Scott, No one don't know

1060
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:38.599
if you notice.

1061
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.559
That, Yeah, everything's okay, honky dory, we're good.

1062
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:44.920
Well, the good guy, the good guy won. You know,

1063
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.840
he protected his daughter from this predator. Yeah, who was

1064
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:50.760
Stiller money?

1065
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.000
You're saying that the the French police were complicit and

1066
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:56.559
they were like, yeah, we didn't like him that much

1067
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:57.239
in a way, all right.

1068
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:59.400
I think so working they're working with mister Sharon. Come on,

1069
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:00.599
clearly that's happening here.

1070
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.519
I think that. I think that's going on. Yeah, maybe

1071
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:05.440
that maybe that's where mister Sharon's a little shady. Maybe

1072
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.639
he's he's got the police in his in his back pocket. Maybe.

1073
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:10.559
And can I bring up the one thing that I've

1074
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.320
talked about numerous times of what I hate the god

1075
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:18.079
dang most in films, freeze frame. When they did that

1076
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:20.960
to Isaac Oh, I.

1077
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.159
Was like, here, give me, give me the freeze frame.

1078
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:28.360
Come on, Dave. Yeah, alright. Pivotal moment, though, pivotal moment

1079
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:35.639
is the cocktail moment. Mister Sharon, trying to avoid further complications,

1080
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:37.280
is going to buy him off.

1081
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.800
Oh, one hundred thousand dollars check, one hundred.

1082
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.280
Thousand dollars check. Just leave my daughter alone. Yeah, And

1083
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:48.000
Prince who has now seen the light, he's found true love.

1084
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.199
He rejects the one hundred thousand dollars check.

1085
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:53.239
Right, F you on it?

1086
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:57.639
I think, yeah, yeah, she's like the Chinese, who is

1087
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:07.000
fuck you? Yeah? It's Chinese? Oh man, uh, Dave, what's

1088
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:07.840
what's the pivotal moment?

1089
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:08.039
Is it?

1090
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:08.280
Is it?

1091
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.119
Is it Tracy? Is it Christopher Tracy refusing the check?

1092
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.519
Oh yeah, of course, of course it is, because that's

1093
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:17.119
turning his character h to become a good guy.

1094
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:25.079
Yeah, yeah, good guy. Oh man, Scott, pivotal moment. Are

1095
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:25.719
you with us on this?

1096
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:30.840
I'm with you on it? Yeah. I think something else

1097
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:32.760
that I've noticed. It's just a little annoying when you

1098
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.000
say like the you know, the f you he writes

1099
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:39.440
and stuff like that. So I watch movies with subtitles

1100
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.159
all the time, right, just because I've lived in a

1101
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:46.039
loud house and whatever. Can't avoid it. There are so

1102
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.360
many moments in this where he uses like if he's

1103
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.960
saying the word two, he uses the number two. If

1104
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.719
he's saying you, he used the letter you style. How

1105
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:02.320
he you know, you know, how he kind of like

1106
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:05.119
you said his style. At the time, it just got

1107
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.800
a little obnoxious. It was just like, look, buddy, we

1108
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:08.480
get it.

1109
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:11.119
Are you saying the subtitles do that?

1110
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:12.880
Yeah, the subtitles.

1111
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:17.159
Yeah, it uses the letter you subtitless tracing all over

1112
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:17.639
your movie.

1113
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:20.880
Yeah, four to two and you all over the place,

1114
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.440
which appears in the credits as well. And I'm just like,

1115
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:29.079
that's just overdone. Like I said, it's just like taking

1116
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:32.320
the whole bottle of stylish syrup and just pouring the

1117
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:34.559
hell out of it on it. It's just like too much.

1118
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:41.119
Scott Hoffman, a Film Buys subtitle specialist, how did how

1119
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:47.159
did the subtitles handle recosto? Did you get that one okay?

1120
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.599
Or yes, as it appears with no numbers, but yeah,

1121
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:53.719
everything else it was like fours and two's and use

1122
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:56.960
up and non the sideways way too much. And the

1123
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.239
one scene that was written that was supposed to be funny,

1124
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:05.719
the Rocoesto uh scene, just did not land all. It

1125
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.599
was one of those times and it's like this is

1126
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:12.519
funny too, Prince and Jerome and that's about it, and everybody's.

1127
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:17.280
Like, yeah, we get it, but I'm embarrassed for for

1128
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:18.360
him trying to make it funny.

1129
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.880
Yeah, yeah, just trying way too hard.

1130
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.519
So this movie had a ten million dollar budget, right, Yeah,

1131
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.239
So clearly they didn't use that amount of budget for

1132
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.519
sound effects, because did you hear the terrible punching sounds

1133
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:36.320
when Tricky punches the thugsy go Oh my god, it

1134
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:37.800
was horrendous.

1135
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:41.440
You can well, it's Warner Brothers. So they probably just

1136
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:45.559
be using like their Looney Tunes cartoon sound effects probably,

1137
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:46.840
did you know?

1138
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:47.360
God?

1139
01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:52.239
All right, uh you know if this was on an

1140
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:56.079
anniversary uh, you know, right about now, David be going

1141
01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.360
all right, well, let's quote this, and we've we've had

1142
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.000
a couple of quotes already, but I got I got

1143
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.960
one for you guys. In a nineteen ninety Rolling Stone interview,

1144
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:11.280
Prince said, I don't regret anything about Under the Cherry Moon.

1145
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:15.760
I learned that I can't direct what I didn't write.

1146
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:18.679
Could you be a little more full of yourself, while

1147
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:22.440
also throwing shade at writer Becky Johnston because yeah, that's

1148
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:23.760
a shitty way to look at it.

1149
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:25.199
Man, it's just crappy.

1150
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:30.840
That is like, yeah, he basically saying the movie sucks.

1151
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.480
But it's not my fault, No, it is it is you.

1152
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.400
I'm sorry, this is such a Prince movie, Like you

1153
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.639
can't say that like it seems like he was forced.

1154
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:41.960
Like no, there's a lot of prints in.

1155
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.239
This one Scott sequel, prequel remake.

1156
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:47.320
He wants it a prequel.

1157
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:54.360
You know this. You want the Miami movie, right, you

1158
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:56.920
want the prequel in Miami that that that ends with

1159
01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.360
him heading to the Riviera. Is that what you're going for?

1160
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.559
I think I would. I think I would. Yeah, I

1161
01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:05.920
definitely wouldn't remake it because how do you remake a

1162
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:07.559
Prince movie without Prince?

1163
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:09.920
I got that makes sense, I.

1164
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.280
Got late honest, all right.

1165
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.559
I want you to think about current artists, and I

1166
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:20.559
want you to think about current artists who act and

1167
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:23.440
actually don't do a bad job. Are you telling me

1168
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:27.039
that we couldn't remake Under the Cherry Moon? Maybe a

1169
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:31.480
little more serious with someone like the Weekend and his music?

1170
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:33.880
And you give me, you give me like a Lily

1171
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:36.199
Rose dep like that, like that, you know that HBO

1172
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.800
Max show that they did together. Give me a Sydney

1173
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:43.159
Sweeney as Mary Herron. I mean, as long as it

1174
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:48.039
has a new script, it's it's it's definitely gonna have

1175
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:51.480
a new script. Yeah, we're not doing like this isn't

1176
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:55.599
a gust Van's Aunt shot for shots. It's a it's

1177
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:59.320
a it's a better film with updated music. But well

1178
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.079
we'll keep it black and white, but Dave will shoot

1179
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:05.880
it black and white. Yes, did that work? But yep,

1180
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.119
Dave you what throw your hat in the ring? Sequel

1181
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.000
preg where you make anything come to mind?

1182
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.400
Nothing comes to mind. I wanted to put this film

1183
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:14.079
out of my mind.

1184
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:16.440
I'd say that.

1185
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:17.000
Yeah.

1186
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:19.239
All right, Well here's here's my last question for you,

1187
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:24.320
you guys in I'll take you back to what Jason

1188
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.559
Colvin said when I asked him. Is Under the Cherry

1189
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:33.880
Moon the worst film of nineteen eighty six because it

1190
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.800
went head to head at the Razzies with Howard the

1191
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:43.159
Duck and tied. And I'll remind you that at the Razzies,

1192
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:48.480
Under the Cherry Moon wins five of the eight nominations.

1193
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:55.880
It won Worst Picture, Worst Director, Worst Actor, Worst Supporting Actor,

1194
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.599
Worst Original Song, which is kind of weird because it's

1195
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.440
pretty how does Prince lose? Or how does Prince win?

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Worst Song when he's Prince? But it was also nominated

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for Worst Supporting Actress, Worst New Star, and Worst Screenplay

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did not win those ones, So Scott, yes, Under the

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Cherry Moon or Howard the Duck. What is the worst

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movie of nineteen eighty six.

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Under the Cherry Moon?

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David, you're, without question Under the Cherry Moon.

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Okay, so as it stands, that's one vote for how

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Are the Duck? Jason spiked the football and said, how

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Are the Duck was the worst one of eighty six,

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and now that's three votes for Under the Cherry Moon.

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I told you, guys, I was gonna give you an

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opportunity to be heroes. We've arrived at that moment. Sweet

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next year is, in fact the fortieth anniversary of Under

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the Cherry Moon. What's say we do a special one

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off a film at forty where you guys cover Under

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the Cherry Moon doing doing your your like you're You're

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a film at forty going behind the go behind the

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lens and quote this and the you know the impact,

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all all that cool stuff that you guys do. You

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guys are doing you guys. First off, you guys are

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doing an awesome job on Patreon right now, our Patreon.

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You got the film at fifty your Jaws episode, Uh,

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just phenomenal. I cannot thank you guys enough for that one.

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We made that one a free one, just so Even

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if you're not a Patreon subscriber, you can still get it.

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All you gotta do is just sign up for a

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01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.400
free membership with your with your your email address. I

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know we had like four or five people do that,

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so I know I know they had to be happy

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with the Jaws episode. But I say all that to

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say this, how about how about next year fortieth anniversary,

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you guys come back and we'll do a film at

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forty under the Cherry Moon Return Because if you say no,

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if you say no, then I'm just gonna make Amber

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and Andrew take a turn.

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Oh Scot, say no, Dave.

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I mean, we haven't done a fifteen minute episode yet, but.

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I want I want the full I want the full

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thing here. I want the full guy. Oh boy, you

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gotta you gotta cheap out.

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They need their turn, Scott, Come on, they need their turn.

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Scott. Listen, Scott. You're you are a You're one of

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the guys on the bridge on Phaser sets the stun.

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I think one of the most heroic things in Star

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Trek is when Spock sacrificed himself for Kirk. You can

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sacrifice yourself right now, Scott, you can save you know

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the the needs of the many outweigh the needs of

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the one. You could you could save your uh, your

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01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:57.800
your your your team members here they could. I mean,

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01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:00.800
you're gonna drag Dave down with you, but what do

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01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:01.960
you what are you gonna do? Scott?

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You know, everybody has to form their own opinions about

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this movie, so I'm gonna leave them in the diletheum chamber.

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And yeah, wow, there we go. Thank Scot. Oh there

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you're supporting it. You're not even you're gonna okay, well maybe,

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01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:26.600
well okay not maybe definitely we've done Under the Cherry Moon.

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Today was a fun conversation, uh with Return to Cherry

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Moon based on how they're getting dragged into it, Scott

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01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:38.960
when they hear this episode, I'm pretty sure next year

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we'll be doing Revenge of Cherry Moon.

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So that's totally and I totally expect that they're going

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to you know, return the torture and set us up

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for Control two or something like that.

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So all right, well listen, there's what do you think

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of Prince and his directorial debut Under the Cherry Moon?

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Have you seen it? Uh? Did we get this one wrong?

1263
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:07.000
We didn't get this one wrong. We're two for we're

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two for two. Uh. It is streaming for free, by

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01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:12.479
the way, on YouTube. Where'd you watch it?

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01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:14.520
Scott YouTube? Yeah?

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YouTube? No one paid for it? No, no, sorry? All right,

1268
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well listen. You can check it out on YouTube free

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with ads.

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Uh.

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Let us know what you think of it on You

1272
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.840
can find us on social media Facebook, Instagram, X check

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01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:31.680
out the website.

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Uh.

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We we talk about it every every week. Send us

1276
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.279
an email let us know. Uh, you know, thank you

1277
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.439
for covering the Cherry Moon again or what the why?

1278
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Why what are you doing? I'm not listening to that. Yeah,

1279
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send us an email. Let us know, because I promise

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01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.880
you we will definitely read it on on an upcoming

1281
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:53.039
show and we'll send you some film by Swag. Guys.

1282
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:54.039
We got some new stuff coming.

1283
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:55.680
Yeah.

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Look, I saw the I saw the I saw the

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new shirts today and I'm smiling.

1286
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So look forward to wearing them conventions.

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Absolutely absolutely. All right, Well, guys, I know you are

1288
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right back into the Phaser set, the stun weekly recap.

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Stranger Stranger World is back. Yes, it is excited, yes, yeah, yeah,

1290
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and uh we got what are we halfway through? Uh?

1291
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The film at fifty you guys, got like, what five more?

1292
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:31.880
Five more to go? Right, five to go? Yeah, I'm excited.

1293
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:33.279
I'm loving what you guys are doing there. So I

1294
01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:37.479
want to thank you, thank you for humoring me and

1295
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:43.399
not one, but several of our listeners who actually asked

1296
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:49.880
for this uh revisit of Under the I always thought, like,

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if we're going to do another one, like Dave, we

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01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:53.560
talked like when we get to the five hundredth episode,

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we'll we'll do Legend again because that was the first

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one we ever did, and maybe we will, but I

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just I was just in we'd get to like we

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do like Iron Eagle, like, you know, we get to

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01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.880
go to that one again. I never thought Under the

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01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:09.000
Chairman would be back on the menu.

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And uh and here we are, yep, here we are.

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Hey, Yeah, we got through it. You guys took your turn.

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We'll just hope, uh for the best for Amber and

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Andrew next year we will.

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It's right.

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On that note. To all of you listening to the show,

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01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:34.920
following us on social media, subscribing to the Patreon, we

1312
01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:36.760
thank you, Thanks everybody.

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Thanks