Aug. 5, 2024

Robert Altman - The Player

Robert Altman - The Player
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Season 5 A Film By...

By listener request, Jeff and Amber debate the merit of Robert Altman's work with a nuanced conversation about celebrity cameos, tracking shots, and what may be cinema's worst directed sex scene. Join us for "The Player!"

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Now and then we take the opportunity for your requests.

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Sometimes it's a specific movie, sometimes it's a specific director,

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And in today's case, it is a specific movie by

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a specific director. We are going to talk about a

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film by Robert Altman, his nineteen ninety two underrated crime

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comedy The Player. Hello, everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm Amber Lewis,

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and this is a film by podcast and Amber Lewis

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is back from her vacation. Amber, we've missed you. We have.

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It's been a while.

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It's been a little while.

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I missed you, guys. I mean, well not really because

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I was on vacation, but.

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You didn't miss us. I'm sure you're missing your vacation

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is what you're missing. Yes, oh well, Amber, We've got

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we've got an interesting one today. We're going to talk

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about The Player by Robert Altman. I'm gonna ask you

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first and foremost, was this a first time watch for you?

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Or do you love The Player? Do you love Robert Altman?

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What's I am cracking up? Because this movie was like

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my life in nineteen ninety two. At that point the

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person that I was. It was all about like entertainment

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magazines and all the Hollywood gossip and knowing everything in

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the US to know about productions and movies that I liked,

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and doing deep dives, and so I was obsessed with

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this movie when I came out.

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Okay, I might throw some twists your way on this episode.

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I might have a couple of new things for you.

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But before we get to that, we are going to talk.

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We're gonna talk about what this movie is about. For

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a lot of people that maybe have not seen this.

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The player is I guess it's the best way to

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say it, certain that the anonymous threats he's been receiving

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are the work of David Kahane. Producer Griffin Mill tries

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to fix things over cocktails. Instead, Griffin ends up murdering

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the screenwriter and courting the dead man's girlfriend. As police investigate,

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Griffin concentrates on a prestigious film that might reinvigorate his career,

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but he's soon learns that David's demise hasn't been forgotten

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by everyone in Hollywood. Amber you, I mean, it sounds

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like you love the movie. You're a big fan of

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the movie. Yes, all right, Well, I'm.

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A big fan of Robert Altman. But when I was

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looking at his filmography like he had such a long career.

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I've only seen a very small fraction comparatively of his films, but.

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I think I think something like ninety directorial credits. I

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have seen but a handful. Here's a deal. So this

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movie is written by Michael Tolkien. It's based off of

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his nineteen eighty eight novel of the same name. You

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have you read the novel?

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I have not.

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Okay, are you familiar with the name Michael Tolkien?

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I mean just that he's made other movies.

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Okay, Well, I asked, because you know, for those of

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us that love the skateboarding.

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Like Gleaming the Cube.

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Gleaming the Cube nineteen eighty nine, most recent one of

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his most recent works. He created it, he developed it,

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he wrote it, talking about the offer, which was that

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that mini series on Paramount Plus it's all about the Godfather.

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Yes, I watched like the first third of it. I

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need to finish it.

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Oh, please finish it. Yeah, twenty twenty two. It is awesome.

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The reason I was I was thinking you might recognize

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the name immediately he wrote the nineteen ninety eight film

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Deep Impact. Didn't you well, didn't you just cover that

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over on that other, that other. He yes, it was

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he assistant writer. Yeah, you guys talk, didn't you guys

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just talk about deep impact on on docum based versus.

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The battle of that asteroids, that we're going.

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To battle the asteroid films.

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Desjoy the world?

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All right? Well. At the ninety three Oscars, the film

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wasn't nominated for Best Picture, but Altman was nominated for

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Best Director. He loses to Clint Eastwood for Unforgiven because

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that's just what was gonna happen in nineteen ninety three.

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I'm sorry nineteen I was. Yeah that no one's beaten

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Clint Eastwood.

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It's one of the best westerns ever made.

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It absolutely is. And I'm building this something here because

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among the accolades thrown at this film, I mean, it's

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featured on several lists of must see movies. In two thousand,

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it was one of five hundred nominees for AFI's Top

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one hundred Funniest American Movies. Three OSCAR nominations at the

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sixty fifth Academy Awards. We talked about, we talked about

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one of them, doesn't win any of them, but it

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does win two Golden Globes Best Motion Picture for a

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Comedy or Musical and Best Actor for a Comedy or

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Musical for Tim Robbins. This film has a ninety seven

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percent approval on Rotten Tomatoes. It's got an eighty six

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out of one hundred on Metacritic. Rolling Stone magazine called

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it one of the best movies of the nineties and

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among the mini critics just in love with this film,

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roder Eaber gave it four stars, calling it quote a

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smart movie and a funny one amber. What am I

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missing because this film is not even remotely funny. I

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really fine. No, I don't think it's funny at all.

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To quote Will Ferrell, I has everyone gone crazy? Because

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills? Like how how

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is everybody every publication, the news everyone loves this film.

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I don't understand why.

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Why they love it, or why they think it's a comedy.

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You didn't like that? Okay, I'm gonna get to the

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hell whether we're gonna discuss this, Yeah, we will, we

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have to discuss I don't. Okay, let's start with the

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easy thing. I don't understand why this is a comedy

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like satire? I could, I can? I can buy that

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like a Hollywood satire.

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Well, it's not like, you know, an Eddie Murphy laugh

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until your Side's hurt kind of movie.

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No, it's that's not an obvious comedy. It's but I.

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Like from the very opening, they open with an eight

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minute tracking shot. Okay, significant portion of which is fred

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Ward talking about the eight minute.

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Tracking I do, okay, I do want to We're gonna

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get to We're gonna get to the tracking shot. I

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got something about the tracking shot. But overall, I'm talking

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the breadth of this film. I just I don't. I don't.

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I don't find the the humor. I don't see it,

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and and part of me is like what. I watched

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it twice and I'm like, what what am I not

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seeing that everyone else is so in love with? And

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I couldn't wait to talk to you because I was like,

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is Amber with me on this or is she gonna

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you know? Because I feel like it's I feel like

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I feel like I'm just surrounded by pod people like

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this is Invasion of the Body Snatchers and no one

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like everywhere I look at, everyone's like the player, Robert Oatman,

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it's amazing, he's hilario is And I'm like, okay, sure,

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I don't. I don't know. I just I need help here,

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you know.

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Oh my goodness, there's at least a handful of scenes

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I could name that are or like I literally laugh

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out out like and I'm not a laugh out loud

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at the movies kind of person.

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So all right, well, we're gonna get to these scenes.

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I have a handful of scenes that I want to

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ask about, and I've got I've got i've got a

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i've got a special section to get to. But I'm

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glad you said that you have a handful of scenes

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because I want to hear about it. I want to

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I want to talk about those as we as we

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get there. I just I don't know. I just I

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feel like I feel like there's this great joke that

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I just don't under stand, and everyone's like, oh, it's

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it's hilarious. Okay, I'll tell you what.

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Let's uh, let's say it did make me think of

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our nineteen ninety six series, and we always talk about like,

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is the movie that we're speaking of, you know, emblematic

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of the nineties, and okay, boy, this one really is

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like there were a lot of things in it that

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I was cracking up at and I don't remember if

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I thought they were funny at the time, but I

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definitely think they're funny now because you know, it's it's

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so dated, but not in a dumb way.

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Just don't get me wrong. This there's there's a lot

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to There's a lot to love here.

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There really is, especially if you love movies, if you

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like thrillers. It's a good thriller. It's a good murder mystery.

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Is it though? Okay? One thing I will say one

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thing I write out the gate. I'm looking at my

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notes here and we're gonna get to my notes. But

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uh sorry, I got no. No, it's you're you're throwing

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me off the way this this film was thrown me

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off because.

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I didn't expect you to.

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Well, you know, here's the thing, here's here's here's plot

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twist number one. A lot of times on this show,

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I am defending the film. I'm defending my point of view,

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and I'm trying to like reel everyone back in or

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you know, like what, how could you not love this thing?

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But no, William is the greatest.

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Oh that's but this time out, I feel like everyone

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is loving this film. Like I said, this was this

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was this one was requested our our good friend David Wright.

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Def Dave himself was like, he's been after me for

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close to a year. You know, let's let's talk Robert

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Robert Oltman, let's talk about the player. Yeah, maybe we'll

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look at that. No, like he, I know, Dave's listening

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to this, and he's already I can, I can. I know,

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I'm gonna get my My phone's gonna start blowing up

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the minute he listens to this to give his his uh,

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his fiery retorts. But it's almost like he for a

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little while he was he was David Kahane. I was

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getting these text messages like, seriously, where's the player, Where's

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where's Robert Altman episode? I was like, Okay, it's happening.

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It's it's it's definitely happening. We're gonna do it. The

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movie has a pulse, if I if I can say

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something positive, this film has a pulse like it's it

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I feel like it's always moving, the cameras always scanning

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left to right. It's it's in motion. This movie is

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in motion. And from the time we get to the open,

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the opening shot, which again we'll get to and throughout

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one thing that I really appreciate is the way the

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movie just feels fluid, and that's an all thing he

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always has, like these these complex scenes where actors are

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topping on talking on top of actors and there's multiple

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actors talking.

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Love it. I it's a little frustrating for some viewers.

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I think you got to turn the subtitles on. It

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helps with the enjoyment of the dialogue.

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But it's a it's a bit Aaron sorkinish, right, Yes.

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But I love it when because that's how people really talk.

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You know, if you're in a room of ten people,

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they're not all waiting for their turn.

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No, absolutely not. It's hard enough to get people to

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wait their turn when we're doing one of these these shows. Yeah,

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you know, you know what I'm talking about. All Right,

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a lot to unpack here. Let's take a quick break

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and when we come back, well we'll get into this

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cast because uh, I want to I want to hear

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your thoughts. Amber. All right, we are back talking about

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Robert Altman's the player, Tim Robbins as Griffin Mill. We're

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a couple of years away from Shawshank right, Chevy Chase

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wanted this lead role and Warner Brothers had zero interest

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in him.

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Thank god.

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Okay, well I'm coming out. Okay, hot take, let's just

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let's just let's just live in this world where Chevy

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Chase has the lead for a second.

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Okay, Okay.

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If Chevy had done this, I feel like maybe it's

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a little more foul play. It's a little more fletch

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when you think about the narrative of this movie. I mean,

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I think Chevy could have pulled this off, you know,

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and and with him, maybe maybe it is a little

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more funny or at least it's the kind of funny

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that that that I'm I'm thinking, you know. Coincidentally, it

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was his father that actually published the novel, and that's

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what got him hot on the on the property. But

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you're you're quick how much.

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People hate him that his dad published the book. And

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they were like, if you you're not coming anywhere near

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this movie, I don't care who you are.

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All right. Well, despite Chevy Chase, the studio even offered

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Robert Oltman full financing if he would just cast a

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bigger star, and he stuck to his guns and declined

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to drop Robins. He was he was that adamant that

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Tim Robbins is his guy. I think that says something

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about Tim Robbins because at this point, again, he's he's

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not any any defrain at this point, which he did

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some amazing work before The Shawshankred.

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But Bob robert Chett, I'd have.

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To we'd have to double, I'd have to love.

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That was the one that really made me take him seriously.

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Okay, that's actually that's a good one to that's a

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good pick too.

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But like he was hilarious in Bull Durham nucle is great.

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But he's amazing. But for this character, yeah, I mean

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other than Bob Roberts, I think it would be a

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little surprising, but I think he's amazing in it.

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Okay, Okay, So he's something I.

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Always forget how good he is.

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He's clever. He's a clever actor because he can he

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walks a fine line between dramatic and comedic. Yes, you know,

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but I.

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Love how he plays Griffin as being like completely paranoid

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and high strung before anything's even happened yet. And that's

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just the reality of life in Hollywood and trying to

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stay on top. And it's all about it's not about

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your last thing, it's about your next thing.

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I'm all in on Tim Robbins from the beginning with

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his character until this movie takes what I feel is

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like a hard left turn about halfway in, and then

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the movie starts evolving and becoming something different. And maybe

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that's so. Maybe I don't know, Maybe my issues are

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with the editing, but I was loving this film from

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the open, that opening scene. I'm loving Tim Robbins, loving

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where We're going. All you know this is this is

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a film nerds movie, right, all the intermachinations, all the

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all the deals and all the talking you know, well.

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And like the little things like you know, it opens

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at the studio and he pulls into the lot and

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that ridiculous range drover, Like nobody drove cars like that

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back then.

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No, not unless you were like some douchebag producer, which

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that's what he is.

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He's the only one that has that car, you know,

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And just little things like that where you're just laughing, going, oh,

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so you're that.

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Guy, you're that guy. Uh, what's some of that girl?

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Greta Sacci, she's she's playing June Goodman's daughter.

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Yes, And I feel really stupid because I've seen this

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movie probably one hundred and eleven times and this was

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the first time I realized she totally made that last

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name up. That is not even her name. No, it's

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nothing about her Israel. I don't even know anything about

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her that's real.

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Yeah, well, what what about her performance?

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I thought it was really really good because the only

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other thing I had seen her in up until this

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point was presumed innocent, and there she was just supposed

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to be like sexy. She's the eye candy for the

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woman that like made Harrison Ford loses his mind. So

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that's like a tall order to fill. And so I

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was like, is this all you're ever gonna be? Is

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this all that you have? And then she popped up

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here and she's so weird and interesting.

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And my attention was always with her, and not not

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because she's you know, obviously she's a beautiful actress, but

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I feel like her character, I don't know, like her

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character is the one thing in this film that that

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never never became something different. You know, she's she's playing

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this chac this this character June almost feels like a

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Hitchcock character, you know, very close to a Hitchcock character.

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Yes, that's like a.

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Femme fatale, you know, uh no, you know she's strong,

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she's independent. You know, she's the artist in the in

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the film, who knows what she's knows what she's about,

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knows what she wants. And like when we're introduced to

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her with that, what I'm gonna say is like a

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creepy moment, you know, where Tim Robbins is talking on

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the phone with her but he's watching her.

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I love that scene, though.

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You can't love what he's doing. I mean, he's a creeper,

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but it's predatory.

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You know, Well he wasn't looking for her, he was

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looking for.

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Yeah, well he came there looking for David Kahane. But yes,

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just his the whole thing with him watching her, it

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just it felt evasive. It felt.

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Watching someone and they don't know you're doing it. Yeah,

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that's not it.

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Okay, But I mean that's the moment there where I'm like,

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I am I'm not with Tim Robbins anymore on this.

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He'sterious she is and.

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And you never really figure out who she is, Like, no, no,

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she doesn't sell her art. She just makes her art

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because it makes her happy. So like, what how does

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she have money? Where is she from? She's not really

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from Iceland?

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Like, yeah, this is how do you live in Los

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Angeles when you're you're your boyfriend is a struggling screenwriter

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who hasn't sold anything, and you're this abstract artist who

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paints just.

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For the for the joys.

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I don't I don't know who. I don't know who's

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paying the bills, but you know, at any rate, he's

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very MYSTERI yeah, there's more to her character. And I

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was waiting to peel, to peel a couple of layers

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to learn more about her. And that's something Altman never

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gives us. I don't know if the I don't know

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if the novel, you know, delves more into her, her

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background and who she's not like.

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That, it's just this weird, strange person. She's kind of like,

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she's almost like a figment of Griffin's imagination.

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I like that because I do. I do like the character.

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I like Greta Sacchi's performance. Let's talk about another performance,

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that of Detective Avery played by Whoopi Goldberg.

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Do not think that whole thing was hilarious?

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Well wait, which.

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Time was crying when she said the whole thing with

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the tampon, she said, they're swinging it in his face.

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I was dying. Okay, So he's so uncomfortable.

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That that was okay, that that's.

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The whole interrogation scene was great.

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Well, here's here's the here's the thing, all right. They

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are now the entar like the lineup scene or that

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one works the interrogation scene. I I've got, well, let's

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just jump into that scene real quick, because you brought

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it up because again a little bit of brilliant writing there.

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Obviously he'sn't Tim Robinson's uncomfortable. He's he's in, he's he's

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brought in for questioning and whoop, he does this this

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great thing. And again we talked about Altman where he's

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having his characters have conversations on top of conversations, and

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she's she's getting into this accusatory conversation with another detective,

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another female detective, about tampons and who who took her tampons?

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And you know this is not mine? You know this

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isn't mine. Heavy flat. I don't know. I don't know

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anything about tampons. I just I I felt awkward, uncomfortable,

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like like Tim Robbins, because there's we're talking tampons when

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we're should be talking about a missing a missing writer

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that was that was funny, okay. I I liked how

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his his his his dialogue there we had two things

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going on at the same time, and it was clearly

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to create a comfort issue with Tim Robbins, because he

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just wants to answer some questions and get out.

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But he's he doesn't know what they know, or he

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doesn't don't know, he doesn't really know why he's there.

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But I'm you know, looking at looking at my notes,

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I have a I have a little thing jotted down

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here place interview. Everybody's laughing, what the hell? Because it

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starts off I think the I think the the the

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scene in question starts off relatively uh funny. You know,

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it's a it's a funny thing for a guy to

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be caught in the middle of a conversation like that,

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because I we can't discuss that kind of stuff. We

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don't know what we're doing, we don't know what we're

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talking about.

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Well, and she's she's just the way. And then but

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then she's not really listening to him. She ignores him

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and talks to her partner, and it's all to throw him.

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Okay, but help me help me out here, Like because

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even had he why are you all laughing, the whole

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like the place erupts in laughter. So I'm thinking, Oh,

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are we stuck in some kind of fantasy sequence. Oh no,

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we're not in a fantasy suit. But just everyone is

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just laughing. It just it was it just felt so

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disjointed from what the film was. I didn't understand that.

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Why do you understand that they were just messing with him?

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Like she knows he did it, okay, but shecause it

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has pegged him from the very beginning, and it's just

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with him.

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Yeah, I went to have him come down and have

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everyone ridicule him. It just that's that's just I don't know.

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That seemedn't work. It started to work for me, and

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then it didn't work the way it ended.

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Well, here's the thing, she doesn't He is a very

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powerful person. Yeah, he can't just get in his face

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and start accusing him of staff. No, you know, she

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wants him to hang himself. So she's going to say, hey,

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you know, we were just having a relaxed conversation. I

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just wanted to know where he was, you know, what's

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his relationship with uh June, you know, or were they

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maybe having an affair? Did he know the writer you know,

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I just wanted to know and we were just having

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a Really, it wasn't an interrogation. I wasn't accusing him,

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so later on she can be like, hey, I was

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just asking.

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You haven't sold me on that that's that seat. You're

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making a good point.

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I mean you were too busy being an uncomfortable boy.

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It was super funny from a woman's perspective, that was hilarious.

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Was great.

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I want to talk about two other characters, and you

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might have you might have someone you want to call

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out here. But moving, moving right along. Peter Gallagher playing

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Larry Levy Le He's on point. He is playing the

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exactly the kind of person I would expect him to play,

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you know, the weasel, yes, trying to trying to warm

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him his way in and take take a Griffin's that

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whole where everything he's doing works.

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I love the pivot and it's so subtle from he

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is coming in and is going to take Gryffin's job

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to Griffin's now on top and he's scrambling uh huh

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to stay where he is, Like I thought that.

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Was great, nothing nothing, Yeah, everything he's doing works, like

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despite despite what notes he was given, despite any anything

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Robert Altman's telling Peter Gallagher to do. He is fantastic

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and he's he's good at playing this kind of character.

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You know, he played someone similar. He played a similar

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type in American Beauty, where here's a successful guy who

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is just trying to be a successful guy and he

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just happens to kind of be a little smarmy about it.

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He kind of happens to be a little a little

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bit of a douchebag the way the way he conducts himself.

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But but he's not. He's not genuinely a bad person,

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is how I'm looking at him. You know, he's he's

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the fresh guy, he's the idea guy. He's going to

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shake things up.

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And you know, tell me, I thought his boardroom scene

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was really good, was very well written.

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Oh absolutely, that was a great moment for him, Like

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we don't even.

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Need these writers anywhere.

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Yeah, that well, okay, and that was I love the

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sarcasm that that Griffin has there, Tim Robbins has in

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that moment, because that I would I would call that

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out as a really good scene because he shows up late.

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You know, his his job is on the chopping block.

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He he shows up late and you know, Peter Gallagher's

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characters already in the middle of this this little, very

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very poignant Dia tribe about how we can fix the

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studio system, how we can make make more money, And

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that one works for me because Griffin is already terrified

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about what he's done. You know this this this I'm

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gonna what what I'm gonna call is an accidental murder.

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He didn't, you know, there was there's no intent there

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with what happens to uh to David.

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Uh well, there was no premeditation.

469
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.559
There's no premeditation. No, well he didn't you know, he

470
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.839
was never out to kill the guy. He just it

471
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:19.160
was an accident. How he handled himself afterward. What you

472
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.759
don't you don't think that they're gonna well and.

473
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.400
Then you hold your their head into a puddle like that.

474
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.640
Well, okay, that's deliberate, all right.

475
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:34.680
You because I'm threatened and I'm going to beat you

476
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.240
to death of this umbrella like.

477
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.440
All right, Well, moving back to back to the cast.

478
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:45.559
Someone I love him well pretty much. Everything I don't

479
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.680
think I've ever not enjoyed him in a film is

480
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:55.160
Fred Ward. Oh Williams, Remo Williams. Can we please do

481
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:56.880
that somehow that's not an underrated movie. But we can.

482
00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:58.960
Can we find a way to do remo Williams, even

483
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.359
if it's on Patreon. I just want to talk rahamon Williams,

484
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.640
Me and you the Adventure will My dad.

485
00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:06.559
Had every single Destroyer book.

486
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.559
You're you're the one to talk to then, all right,

487
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.200
well his Okay, So his character Walter Stuckell, who's like

488
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:19.119
the the studio security. Yes, kind of not to not

489
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.720
to take anything from you, but he he's kind of

490
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.359
the voice of reason in this film, right he is.

491
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.200
He's trying to help.

492
00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:27.440
Step ahead of everybody.

493
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:30.839
Yeah. I wish if this movie could have done anything

494
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.480
for me, it would have been give me, give me

495
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.599
some more Walter Stuckle moments. I love this character. But

496
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.960
it's just one of those This movie's packed with with talent.

497
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:44.960
And I'm not even talking about like the seventy five

498
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.279
people that do cameos in the movie, which we don't

499
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:49.440
have time to talk about.

500
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:51.319
Any Yeah, that's a whole different episode.

501
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.640
Yeah, and that's and that's going to lead into something

502
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.440
that I take issue with here moment in a moment.

503
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.720
But fred Ward, it's just Dinamo. I love I love

504
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.079
that he there's there's moments where he's like he's Tim

505
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.079
Robbins's mentor even though he's working for him. There's moments

506
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.839
where he takes he takes point and he's he kind

507
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.920
of guides uh Tim Raminson on how to behave, what

508
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.880
to say, when to move like there like the first

509
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.440
time he Whoopi Goldberg shows up, you know she's in

510
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:23.839
the office.

511
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:25.920
He controls that whole interview.

512
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.480
He is in control. And and that's it's great because,

513
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.160
like you said, Tim Robbins plays this very powerful studio

514
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.480
producer and to see him handled, yes when when he

515
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.720
needs to be handled is is is kind of cool.

516
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.200
It's it's our man Fred Ward Raema Williams. Who's who's

517
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:49.400
doing it. So I did. I did enjoy that. So

518
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.079
remember as we said, you know, let's let's tell a

519
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.519
little bit about the background on this movie. Michael Tolkien,

520
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.279
he writes the novel in nineteen eighty eight, you know,

521
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.640
the player. He does it as a means of establishing

522
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:06.279
himself outside the movie industry. But it's a it's super

523
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.799
producer from you know, when I and when I say

524
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.680
super producers, I mean I mean I'm talking like movies

525
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.319
like Jaws, David Brown buys the film rights and convinces

526
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:20.200
Tolkien to adapt his own work. This doesn't happen often

527
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:24.160
in Hollywood, where someone writes a book and then Hollywood says, hey,

528
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.960
will you write the screenplay based on your own book.

529
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.599
I would like to read this book just to see.

530
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:34.599
How He's skills don't necessarily intersect all that Often it's

531
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:36.720
a rare William Goldman that can.

532
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.480
Yeah, a lot of time, somebody, Yeah, well, a lot

533
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.400
of times. What happens is when you ask a writer

534
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:49.279
to adapt their own work into a screenplay, a screenplay

535
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.799
might end up being four to five hundred pages, which

536
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:54.720
which doesn't work.

537
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:56.000
You know, got that kind of time?

538
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.119
No, any anyone, anyone, If you know anything about screenwriting,

539
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.920
one page equals one minute on the screen, So anything

540
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.440
past two hundred pages, you're like, We're like, what are

541
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:08.000
you writing here?

542
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:14.240
It would be interested to see this screenplay because a

543
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.559
lot of this was improvised.

544
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.920
Yes, And that's one of the things.

545
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.480
About Altman that I just think is so interesting is

546
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.559
that he creates this, you know, kind of world for

547
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:29.920
his actors and then just just like, you know, have

548
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:31.200
at it.

549
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.799
Help me out here. The allure of Robert Altman. And

550
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.519
I know we're going to get to his filmography later,

551
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.640
but it blows my mind that all these celebrity cameos

552
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.400
and it's like, again, this movie is riddled with celebrities

553
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:51.119
playing themselves. All of that is unscripted. They were giving

554
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:55.079
no dialogue, and he convinced all of them. Not only

555
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.240
did he convince them to work for scale, he convinced

556
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.440
them to donate their salary. He's to the Motion Picture

557
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.680
and Television country house and hospital for retired filmmakers, which

558
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.319
I didn't even know that was a thing, but but

559
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.400
I love I.

560
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.599
Love that it's the thing. But yeah, I didn't realize

561
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:12.079
that either.

562
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.599
I mean thinking about how many people take a Sunday

563
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.880
to go to the old folks home, and and in California,

564
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.960
in Hollywood, you can you can get to the old

565
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:26.559
filmmakers home. You know, I guess I wonder who's staying there.

566
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:26.880
I'd like.

567
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.519
That was how Robert Osborne got his career, was he

568
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.640
would go chat up these old Hollywood legends that like

569
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.960
nobody was visiting anymore, and got all kinds of good stuff.

570
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.119
Well, speaking of good stuff, let's talk about good stuff

571
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.160
that didn't. That didn't make it onto the onto the screen.

572
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:51.200
And again, clearly I'm I'm taking some issues with this movie.

573
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:56.039
But you know what I'll be about to talk about.

574
00:32:56.119 --> 00:33:00.519
Robert filmed there's a scene with Jeff Daniel was playing

575
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.960
golf and there's a there's a scene with Patrick swayzey

576
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.720
doing karate. He filmed him, he had it, he had

577
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.319
it on on on tape, and he cuts it from

578
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.839
the movie. What are you doing, Robert Altman? This is

579
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.640
this is just a couple of years past Roadhouse, and

580
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.480
you're gonna you put Swayze in your movie doing karate

581
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.200
and you're not gonna You're not gonna show it. Like,

582
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.119
I don't get that at all, honestly.

583
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.359
I mean, to his credit, I think that, uh, the

584
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:38.559
cameos did served to further the story. They weren't just distractions,

585
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:40.640
are just there for the sake of being there. So

586
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.759
you know, he maybe just felt it didn't serve the story.

587
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.960
But I love that all these people were calling him like, dude,

588
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.519
I got a day off, can I come.

589
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:58.279
Uh to me? It's weird? Uh? What what is? What's

590
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:02.119
what's the okay? What's the heel of Robert Alman? Because

591
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.759
if you told me Martin Scorsese or Steven Spielberg.

592
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:13.079
Well about that as you were talking. And I think

593
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.760
that there are directors that, like, some people don't like

594
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.320
the way Steven Spielberg works, Okay, that's not their thing.

595
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.440
And I think that Robert Altman, I think was just,

596
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.320
first of all, really nice guy. Like everybody that worked

597
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.760
with him liked him. Nobody had like horrible stories to

598
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:39.199
tell about him. And you know, whether the shoots were

599
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.880
challenging or not, it wasn't because you know, he's like

600
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.559
Hubrick making you walk through a door a hundred times.

601
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.719
Well no, And I think that he creates this environment

602
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.360
where you get to go and play and it's very

603
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.079
relaxed and it's conducive to actors doing what they like

604
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:56.599
to do.

605
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.000
Okay, all right, Well I got I got something here,

606
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.599
you know, deconstructing my notes here, you know, I actually

607
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:09.039
I have it. I have it typed out in from me.

608
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:14.199
It says, uh, deconstructing Jeff's notes, asking for Amber's quote

609
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:21.519
unquote reason on my observations and several scenes. So let

610
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.199
me you know, because I this movie takes some really

611
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.639
weird turns and I'm looking at my notes here to

612
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.840
me it does. So let's let's see what you have

613
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:34.239
to say. Uh, I'm saying, I'm skipping past. I have

614
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:35.960
something written here about the opening scene, but we're gonna

615
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.320
get to that because I do want to get to

616
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:40.719
the pivotal scene. And clearly the opening shot of the

617
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.400
film is the pivotal moment because it's a stunning it's

618
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.800
a stunning shot. But I okay, So I wrote here

619
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:53.119
amber the Nafrio like I've never seen him, tim Burton esque.

620
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.599
His accidental murder slash intended murder takes the movie into

621
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.960
an unexpected dark place I have never I was shocked

622
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.280
when when Vincent Dinafrio shows up as the pissed off

623
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:08.480
writer David de Kine.

624
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.199
Yeah, it's not like his other stuff. It's not Kingpin,

625
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:12.760
for sure.

626
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.000
It's not Kingpin. It's not full metal jacket. It's it's

627
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.199
not thor from, It's not Thorn from Adventures in Babysity.

628
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:25.480
He this is a like one hundred and fifty pound Vincent.

629
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.239
Nafrio mystic pizza.

630
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.440
He's got that, he's got that Tim Burton haircut. He

631
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.639
just I was I was surprised, but I was also

632
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.079
happy to see him mm hmm for for what little

633
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.000
we get of him. Your your take, like, was he

634
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:43.840
the right was he but the right choice for this role,

635
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.920
this angry writer, this angry snubbed person.

636
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.280
Yeah, I like it because he's one of those people

637
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.159
that kind of seems like they're always at a simmer anyway, Okay,

638
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.199
it doesn't take much to bring him to a boy.

639
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.800
You got another note here. We were talking about all

640
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:07.320
these cameos, right, I wrote minor distraction wondering if celebrities

641
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:13.239
are themselves or playing characters in the film, because after

642
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:17.679
the first two or three cameos where you're like, you

643
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.079
see Burt Reynolds just being Burt Reynolds, just say.

644
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.400
That's Burt Reynolds right there.

645
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.480
Yeah, that's just it's just Burt Reynolds. Like you have

646
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:27.679
Burt Reynolds being Burt Reunlan and that's.

647
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.039
One of the things, Like you didn't think that was hilarious,

648
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:31.880
he says Hider Griffin. He's like, hey, you know they

649
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.079
want so he his asshole.

650
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.960
Yeah yeah, and again like he knew nothing about he

651
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:41.199
wasn't given them that he just you get share in

652
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:44.480
this moment at this party scene. You got her front

653
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.920
and center. She never says anything. There's all these celebrity moments, right, but.

654
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:51.119
She's totally being share because it's a black and white ball.

655
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.360
She show up this red guy. Yeah, but even at

656
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:58.199
the like the producer's party or the network studio guys

657
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.679
party that he goes to. I mean, the camera is

658
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.480
just panning around and you're here's just people, just celebrities

659
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:09.880
being celebrities, like like Sally Kellerman, Jack Lemon, everyone. They're

660
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.599
just background. They're you know, background characters. They're not part

661
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:14.159
of that story.

662
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.559
People think, I mean, it's an interesting town and people

663
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.320
think that's what it's gonna look like when you go

664
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:20.039
to a party.

665
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.679
It is. But at the same time, because this movie,

666
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.159
it never stops. When someone is on the screen, you immediately,

667
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.000
like I started getting distracted because I was like, oh,

668
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.079
there's there's that famous person. Wait, oh, they're not playing

669
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.840
they're not they're not that famous person. They're actually a

670
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.800
character in the movie. And it happened. I don't know.

671
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.400
I feel like the celebrity cameos, there's a there's a

672
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.679
flood of them. It's a little too many, you know,

673
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.119
because we've seen movies about Hollywood before. We've seen. I

674
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.800
just I just felt it was it was minorly. It

675
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.079
was a minor distraction for me because I just I

676
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.239
would see somebody be like, oh, oh no, they're they're

677
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.840
not a character, or I'd be like, oh, that's a

678
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.360
cool little cameo went there.

679
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.920
Reminded me of that episode we did on the list

680
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.760
of Adrian Messenger where you're kind of sucked into like, okay,

681
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.880
a person in disguis? Is that somebody I don't know?

682
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.119
You might have won me over on that good good

683
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.119
pool on Adrian Messenger. That was a very fun episode

684
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.239
we did again, we did by request that was a

685
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:25.400
request on our Patreon. Uh check out uh a little

686
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:28.000
little Patreon plug there for you. Check out patreon dot

687
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.039
com slash a film by podcast because there's free episodes.

688
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.039
There's the tiered episodes you got you gotta pay for them,

689
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.719
but all you need is just to get to the

690
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.920
free stuff, which we're doing a lot of that stuff lately. Amber.

691
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.920
All you need is an email address to sign up.

692
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.920
That's it so spectacular.

693
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.119
Yeah, we got some fun stuff happened over there. What's

694
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:49.920
not fun is this next thing I want to talk

695
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.480
about and uh, before before I write before I read

696
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:55.360
what's in my notes, I'm just gonna let me set

697
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:01.440
you up that moment that Tim Robbins goes to to

698
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.039
June's June's house, he's he's had a rough day, right

699
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:06.800
he had? I think, I think we've had the rattlesnake

700
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.719
At this moment he shows up, he kind of looks like, hell,

701
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:14.239
you know, she's concerned, and their whole their relationship is

702
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.559
a head scratcher for me because she doesn't know this guy,

703
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.440
he doesn't know her. But she's, oh, come in, well,

704
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.719
how oh, something's wrong, you know, puts a glass of

705
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.480
bourbon in his hand, and he kind of SLINKs down

706
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.000
and we're like, is he okay? And I'm thinking this

707
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.000
is where he's gonna kind of crack a little bit

708
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:33.920
and she's either gonna start to hate him or start

709
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:38.519
to fall for him. And out of nowhere, he just mumbles,

710
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.599
I want to make love to you, and I really

711
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:42.519
out of nowhere.

712
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.199
It was a very long monologue.

713
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.199
That had nothing to do with his feelings, but I

714
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.159
thought we were getting somewhere and then he just you know,

715
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:51.880
and that's why I wrote. I wrote quote I want

716
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.480
to make love to you? What the hell, this movie

717
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.760
is in such a weird place. That whole scene just,

718
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.239
I mean, I thought it was like, is this a

719
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.280
Robert Altman movie or is this a David Lynch movie?

720
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:09.679
Because why have we just shifted the tone? So it

721
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:11.239
was a hard shift.

722
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.239
Well, I mean he was talking about how he can't

723
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.280
get her out of his mind, and You're all I

724
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.599
can think about. And and I know I don't know you,

725
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.960
but you're you're in my head and I can't get

726
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:23.400
rid of you.

727
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.880
And I don't know the second the second time you

728
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:31.079
meet someone. First off, the first time was to do it.

729
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:33.800
But she's like crazy.

730
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.199
Ever if if you're if you're her, isn't it time?

731
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.159
Like at that point you grabbing the glass back from him,

732
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:43.920
it's time to go. You need to leave, Like, yeah,

733
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:48.840
I mean that's me. I wouldn't that's every normal person. Again.

734
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:50.199
I would have been like, you need to go home

735
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.079
and take a shower and then we'll have a chat.

736
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:54.559
Stop coming to my house.

737
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:58.800
I just I don't know, that's what I mean.

738
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.360
I think she she's kind of like almost not even

739
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.000
a real person. She's like something that his mind is

740
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:09.679
invented or something. Well, and that's everything he needs her

741
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.320
to be the minute she needs, you know, he needs

742
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:12.639
her to be.

743
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.079
I was kind of, I was, I'm kind of at

744
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.280
that point, I'm like, Okay, is this are we in reality?

745
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.599
Are we in a dream sequence? Is this? Because this

746
00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:24.320
doesn't this just isn't the way that people would talk

747
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.599
in this situation. This isn't the way people would behave

748
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.119
And at this point I was, I'm still trying to

749
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.840
take the movie seriously, you know, but.

750
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.719
But maybe this is how she survives. Maybe she's one

751
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.800
of those people that what she sees from him is like,

752
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:45.840
I have information that binds you to me, and you

753
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.480
are successful, you have money, and this will be the

754
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:49.840
next person to take care of me.

755
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.800
All right, Uh, there's one more scene I want to

756
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.559
talk about before we get to that amazing opening shot.

757
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.679
And I'm just reading, I'm gonna read. I'm read my

758
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:09.159
notes verbatim. I wrote worst sex scene, period ever, period

759
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:14.880
extreme close up, out of focus of Tim Robbins's mouth

760
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.559
and chin. And halfway through the act he chooses now

761
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.719
to confess because he's trying to tell her that, oh,

762
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.440
by the way, I killed your your boyfriend.

763
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:29.199
And she says, you don't don't talk don't talk.

764
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:34.239
Don't talk, Okay, before we talk about how bad that

765
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.719
that that scene is shot? I want to I want

766
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.679
to pull something up here. Uh. I pulled this off

767
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.960
of you know, doing you know, doing doing my homework

768
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:44.800
for this movie, trying to get ready. I saw this.

769
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.760
I saw this was like I was like what I'm

770
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:53.440
reading here, It says Altman was praised for the sex scene,

771
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.960
in which Robin's and Sashi were filmed from the neck up.

772
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.039
Sashi later claimed that Altman had once did a nude scene,

773
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:03.880
but that it was her refusal which led to the

774
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.119
final form what do you mean he was praised for this?

775
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.880
This scene is It's the worst sex scene I've ever seen.

776
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:12.039
And I'm not saying we needed a sex scene, but

777
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.320
if you're gonna do one, and I don't need to

778
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.280
see things, but but at least shoot it to where

779
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:20.559
it it's not like, well, but.

780
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.719
I don't I don't know that it was supposed to

781
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:23.519
be attractive.

782
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.400
Oh it wasn't.

783
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.960
I mean it was very sweaty and very very close up.

784
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:36.159
And we could have done a silhouette type of thing.

785
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.400
You know, give me, give me like a blue screen

786
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:41.039
top gun, you know, just just.

787
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.960
I thought it was interesting that he chose to confess

788
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:50.719
like that he didn't want to like be that intimate

789
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.960
with her with and lie and not be honest with her,

790
00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:01.119
so it came out I don't know, but interesting moment to.

791
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:05.199
The movie loses all credibility that his main motivation in

792
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.800
that particular moment is that he needs to confess. That

793
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.960
should have been the last thing he's thinking about or

794
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.239
wanting to talk about in that moment.

795
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.119
But I do love that. What you get, though, is

796
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.519
the build up to the scene that I really like,

797
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.400
which is the one immediately following where they're they're at

798
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.960
the spa and the next day they're having like like

799
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:33.480
a mud back and they're laying, you know, they're each

800
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:37.920
in their own tub and they're you know, reclined and

801
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.320
they've got their eyes closed, and they're holding hands and

802
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.039
each without the other knowing, like they open their eyes

803
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.079
and kind of side eye each other, like, do I

804
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.039
trust you? Did you really say the thing that I

805
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.360
think you said? Did I really say that? Did she

806
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.159
hear it? You know? Like I love that whole sequence

807
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:01.039
of that unspoken moment. Was that was really good? And

808
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.280
you have not yet talked about Richard E. Grant and

809
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:08.440
the greatest movie pitch, like in the history of movie pitches.

810
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:14.119
Well, okay, well, let's let's talk about that one I had,

811
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.000
I had, I had it there, you know, because that

812
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.840
was gonna I was, I was last one, No, I was,

813
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.679
I was at tired the Richard D. Grant thing. Back

814
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:25.320
to the Okay, is he Richard E. Grant or is

815
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:29.440
he not Richard YE Grant? Now he's like another pretentious writer. Great,

816
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.920
that was was fantastic. Set that up. Tell us about

817
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:33.320
that one.

818
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:38.199
Okay. So Griffin is send a message that he's supposed

819
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.840
to meet the postcard writer at this restaurant. So he

820
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:46.800
goes to the restaurant and he is ambushed by Richard Y.

821
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:47.880
Grant And who's the other guy?

822
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.159
I can't remember Dean Stockwell, thank you.

823
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.159
I kept thinking Bob Ballaban and I know it wasn't him.

824
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.519
But so they ambushed Griffin at this restaurant and they're like,

825
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:02.760
we just need like five minutes, you know, And he's like, fine.

826
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.559
He's twenty five words or less.

827
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.440
Twenty five words or less, give me, give it to me.

828
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.960
And Richard E. Grant goes on this just magnificent. He

829
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.119
doesn't even have a script. He doesn't have a movie.

830
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.159
He's got a pitch and it is like so well

831
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.199
done and so pretentious and he is such an asshole.

832
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.119
And then the even better part is he pitches it

833
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.239
again and you can tell he's been practicing since he

834
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.480
changes a few things and he does a little better

835
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:30.280
the second time.

836
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.480
Uh huh and oh my god.

837
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.719
And then at the end you get like the final product,

838
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:36.440
which is just the best reveal ever.

839
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.599
That is a good reveal. I do like that, you know,

840
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:48.480
because the movie is and it's so Hollywood in this world.

841
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.079
Because they talk earlier about the change and the fatal

842
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:54.079
attraction ending. Yeah, and they you like, teed up for.

843
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.760
It, and I do. I do like the fact that

844
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.679
in this world of behind the scenes Hollywood, everyone is

845
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.480
making doing movie pitches, and everyone's pitching Bruce Willis as

846
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.760
the lead. Everyone's pitching Julia Roberts as the as the

847
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:08.760
and that's what we get at the end, we get

848
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:12.119
we get Julia Roberts being saved at the last second

849
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.039
by Bruce Willis, which I thought that that was. I

850
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.360
like the ending. I will say that I definitely like

851
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.400
the ending. Here. Let's talk about what I love though,

852
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.519
which is the best scene in the movie. I mean, they,

853
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:27.480
you know, kinda kind of kind of shooting your shot early.

854
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:31.159
But it's the opening shot of the film. Amber. You

855
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:35.480
said it yourself. It's an eight minute, unbroken tracking shot.

856
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.719
I mean, are you like me? I'm a sucker for this.

857
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:38.800
Love it.

858
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:44.360
Like the shot in Goodfellas. I just can't say enough.

859
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.199
Like I I just love when people can choreograph something

860
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:50.719
so and just tell you a story.

861
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.239
Yeah, I wrote here opening scene. Life on the lot

862
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.519
is going right into the rabbit hole, fluid camera work,

863
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:03.679
learning who everyone is without learning who they are. It's fantastic.

864
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.199
So they they planned this shot, and then they planned it,

865
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.440
and then they planned it some more. They use scale

866
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.599
models to map out the shot. They resurfaced the studio

867
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.480
a lot, which point of fact, is was Copola's old

868
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:24.000
zootrope studios on the Paramount. That's that's where they're shooting that.

869
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.480
They resurfaced it so that the dollies and the cranes

870
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.960
would would have fluid movement. They rehearsed the whole thing

871
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:35.400
with everybody the day before and all been still ended

872
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.480
up doing fifteen takes before he was satisfied. And to

873
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:41.840
your point. Fred Ward has some amazing stuff there, because again,

874
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.119
this is one of those things. He's like, I'm not

875
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.159
gonna give you dialogue, but I want you to talk

876
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.960
about the importance of tracking shots. Come up with come

877
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:55.159
up with some fun movie hit. I thought, I love

878
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.000
that this this, I would put this clearly. I'm not

879
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.519
I'm not I'm not buying a lost stock on Robert

880
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.119
Altman or this film. But I'm all in on this.

881
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.519
This opening scene, this is one of the greatest scenes

882
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.360
in a movie as far as I'm concerned. And it's

883
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.360
all because of the technicality. It's this tracking shot that

884
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.119
is just a masterpiece.

885
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:19.239
Well, it's the storytelling that you get with it. It's yes,

886
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:21.960
you know, like you said, you meet all of these

887
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:28.239
people and you get these little details where like the

888
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.159
assistant to the studio head comes out and she says

889
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.840
to her secretary, like, I need the dailies before he

890
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.239
gets here. Yeah, and so she takes off running. Well

891
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.880
then right is the scene ends. She gets there right

892
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:41.719
as he pulls in.

893
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:43.119
Uh huh.

894
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.639
And it's like that little thing, and.

895
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.840
I love you know, we're moving in and out, back

896
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:53.559
and forth. I immediately love that Buck Henry is there

897
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:58.159
laying himself. Yeah, this is the guy that wrote the

898
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.119
Graduate and he's pitching the Graduate too, And all of

899
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.519
a sudden, because Tim, because Tim Robbins is kind of

900
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.880
fading in and out of interest, the Graduate Too becomes

901
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.840
what's He's a psychic political thriller with heart And I'm

902
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:19.000
thinking Bruce Willis And I loved that the end joke there,

903
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.719
that was that was clever because in a pitch, you're

904
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.199
gonna say anything to get the green light, you're you know,

905
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:28.519
and when you when the studio exects like, well I've

906
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.719
seen this with such and such. Oh yeah, yeah, it's

907
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.199
got that. We're gonna do that, you know, it's like

908
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:40.800
what this is this? Yeah? You just you just say anything.

909
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:44.000
You know. These people are in these in these pitches,

910
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.920
they're just they're horing themselves just absurdly, and they'll say

911
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.360
anything just to just to get the second meeting right

912
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.719
the follow up. Love that moment, you know, and again

913
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.639
we're moving in the office out of the did you see.

914
00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:00.440
Like it's mirrored at the end too, because the male

915
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.800
guy falls in the parking lot and drops all the

916
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.920
mail and you're so focused on the postcard. Well then

917
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:12.519
Griffin's girlfriend comes over and she's helping the guy up

918
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.440
and everything. Then at the end she breaks her heel

919
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.280
and she's the one who falls in the parking lot

920
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.360
and the mail guy just walks past her. And then

921
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:22.559
that's life the lot.

922
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:24.920
Let me tell you, it's life on the lot. Yeah

923
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:30.000
you're out. Yeah, Well, before we're out, let's let's take

924
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.880
another break. And then, uh, I want to talk about

925
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.280
Robert Altman a little bit. We'll get into his filmography.

926
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.559
Welcome back, Amber. I got a couple of tidbits here

927
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.760
about Robert Altman. I gotta, I gotta. I got a

928
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.119
quote that I'm sure you'll you'll consider a barb after

929
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.159
I deliver it. But remember it was a it was

930
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:57.760
Alman that said it. But something something interesting here, you know,

931
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.960
because when I think Robert Altman, I definitely don't think

932
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.519
the two things I'm about to tell you about the

933
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:08.360
man nineteen forty five, he enlisted in the US Army

934
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.000
Air Forces and co piloted a B twenty four bomber.

935
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.239
Wow up there in the air. Yeah, Masters of the Air.

936
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.000
You know, I thought that was pretty wild. I can't

937
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.119
believe what I'm about to tell you. But and You're

938
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.639
not gonna like it. You definitely are not gonna like this.

939
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:28.880
He's working in Hollywood. You know, he's trying to break

940
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.960
into the business. Prior to nineteen fifty, he was a

941
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:38.079
publicity director for a pet tattooing business. You heard that right.

942
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:44.480
The idea he came up with identic code and involved

943
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.239
tattooing a number on your pets skin. This is you

944
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.079
got to think, this is this is pre nineteen fifty.

945
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.039
This is we don't have like the little chips that

946
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:55.000
you can insert in your pets, so if they get lost,

947
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:59.440
you know, his idea was tattooing the dog or the cat,

948
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.239
so if they're found, it's like, oh, this is four

949
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:10.039
nine seven three. It's like that what you're tattooing dogs?

950
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.960
I mean I have heard of that in like animal research,

951
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:16.239
they'll tattoo their ear or something because they have to

952
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:20.639
tell them my heart. But yes, I'm just thinking of

953
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:21.320
my puppy.

954
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.639
And I know I don't mean upset.

955
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.960
I hated when he has to get his vaccinations, like

956
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.679
I cry. I have.

957
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.679
I have several tattoos, and I can tell you having

958
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.239
sat in that chair, it does not feel good.

959
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.760
And you're doing it voluntarily.

960
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.280
Voluntarily taking the pain. Yeah, the poor dog that.

961
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.519
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna choose to forget this

962
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.599
a little tit bit about Robert Altman and just think

963
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:46.400
about the movies that he made that I like.

964
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:48.719
Do you know who the most famous client was, though,

965
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:54.840
was President Harry S. Truman's dog what. Yeah, there you

966
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:55.280
have it.

967
00:54:56.039 --> 00:55:00.519
You'd think, like the safest dog in the country. He's

968
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:01.840
got Secret Service protection.

969
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.079
Yeah, you know, I know we're gonna talk about this

970
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:08.079
here in a minute. But his nineteen seventy film mash

971
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.039
that's what made him a huge success. But he only

972
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:17.599
got that job after the first fourteen directors passed on it.

973
00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:19.000
So think about that.

974
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.360
I've never seen it, and since the unfortunate passing of

975
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.519
Donald Sutherland, I've been going through his whole filmography, and

976
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:28.960
that one is still on my list. But I loved

977
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:30.719
the television show so much.

978
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:34.400
There's okay, I'm not gonna say that they're like the

979
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:36.760
movie and the TV show or just hand in hand.

980
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.239
You know, the same characters, and but it's two different worlds.

981
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.119
But I feel like you're gonna enjoy the movie.

982
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.880
Honestly, I can't believe he was number fifteen on the

983
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.400
call number fifteen on the call, she that you know

984
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:49.960
he had done.

985
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.079
I think like his most prominent thing at that point

986
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.400
was he had directed some Alfred Hitchcock presents types of thing.

987
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.679
No, I want to find out, like what episodes it was,

988
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:00.519
I would love that.

989
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:05.719
But before we get into further into his filmography, here's

990
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.440
what he had to say about The Player. And I'm

991
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:13.159
quoting Robert Oltman here. He said, I think we were

992
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.840
too nice to Hollywood in the film. It shouldn't be

993
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:21.360
this successful. And I'm inclined to agree with him because

994
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:23.360
I'm still like, you know, you've won me over on

995
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:26.559
a couple of points here, but I'm still not sure

996
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.559
what the hell's going on and why everyone is raving

997
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:31.280
about this film.

998
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:35.480
But I think that there's another version of this film

999
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:39.719
where like you get to the end and you're like,

1000
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.719
I hate all of these people and I don't ever

1001
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:45.960
want to watch another movie again. Uh huh, because all

1002
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.920
of these indulgences and the way that Griffin gets away

1003
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.559
with it and stuff. You're like, and that's how we

1004
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.400
got stuck with Weinstein, and that's how he got away

1005
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.480
with it for as long as he did. Okay, then

1006
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.840
I think conversely, there's another, you know version of the

1007
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:03.320
movie that's lighter and funnier, and you know, it's like

1008
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:07.199
the Chevy Chase version. So well, I love this movie.

1009
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.920
I can't believe it. I feel I feel this movie.

1010
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.079
As for as many things that really work for me,

1011
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:18.280
I feel like this movie cheats on a lot of things.

1012
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:20.320
So I'm gonna I'm gonna pull out. I'm gonna pull

1013
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.960
an Altman here, and I'm gonna cheat our listeners because

1014
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.000
you said yourself you have not seen a lot of

1015
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.320
his filmography, and I'll tell you right now.

1016
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:30.519
That I've seen more than you.

1017
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.559
But well, okay, we'll find out. I've seen a lot

1018
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.280
o you know what, I'm going to keep track here.

1019
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.239
Now let's see howld on.

1020
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:36.480
Now it's a competition.

1021
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:40.400
I want to write a jay and so yeah, we're

1022
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:43.440
you know, I kind of jumped forward. I'm skipping all

1023
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:44.840
his TV his television directing.

1024
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.800
Yeah, well I have seen his Alfred Hitchcocks because I've

1025
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.559
seen them all, but I wouldn't.

1026
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.159
Know it's all right, So talk nineteen seventy mash is

1027
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.480
what puts him on the map, so to speak. Yeah,

1028
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.320
all right, you haven't seen that, so I'm taking that

1029
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:01.239
one because, like I said, Sutherland, I love donand I've

1030
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:04.840
loved Donald Sutherland and everything he's done. Sally Kellerman's great

1031
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.800
and it I think you're gonna enjoy it, Honestly, I

1032
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:12.559
really do. I'm thumbs up on mash for Robert Altlin,

1033
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:16.159
all right, and I'm going to skip around to like, Okay,

1034
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:18.280
I have heard of that film. I've just never seen it.

1035
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:19.199
Mm hm.

1036
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:21.840
And you stop me if you're like, whohoa, I got

1037
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:22.280
that one.

1038
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.679
Yeah, okay, all right.

1039
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.840
He does McCabe and Missus Miller in nineteen seventy one.

1040
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.599
There's a interesting backstory if you want to go down

1041
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.519
the rabbit hole. Him and who was it, Warren Baty

1042
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.679
famously hated each other during the filming of this. So

1043
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.800
I want to see it. I want to see it

1044
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:44.679
just for just for that, to find out what's going

1045
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:45.000
on there.

1046
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:46.960
I feel like this is probably one of those that

1047
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.000
I watched with my dad, because he would watch like

1048
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.960
every Western and this would be on like on a

1049
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:53.199
Sunday afternoon or something.

1050
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:56.159
One that's been on my list for a while just

1051
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.559
because I feel like, from what I understand, you either

1052
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.920
love this film or you hate this film nineteen seventy

1053
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:04.440
five film called Nashville.

1054
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.280
Same, I haven't seen either.

1055
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:11.639
Yeah, Karen Black, I love Karen Karen Black. Think about

1056
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.159
this all right, this film, here's here's why I want

1057
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:16.440
to see it. You know, you know I love I

1058
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.440
love the horror films. Right, Yes, Keith Carodine is starring

1059
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:25.119
with Karen Black, who is you know, done her more

1060
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.599
than her fair share of horror films. You know, we

1061
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:30.239
covered her on nineteen eighty six when we did Invasion

1062
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:31.440
Invaders from Mars.

1063
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:35.840
Oh that's the one. Okay, yes, he's also that was

1064
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:37.639
a good episode too, Thank you.

1065
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.639
Thank you. Check out our nineteen eighty six limited series

1066
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:42.639
on all the Awesome Stuff fro nineteen eighty six. But

1067
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:48.719
I digress Ronnie Blakely is in this film, who famously

1068
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:53.360
played Nancy's mom in a Nightmare on Elm Street. And

1069
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:56.679
then we just we just recently lost this. This talented

1070
00:59:56.679 --> 01:00:02.480
actress Shelley Devall is in this film. So Carrodinge, uh

1071
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:12.679
working working triple time with three of of horror finest there. Yeah, Nashville.

1072
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.280
I'm definitely watching this because, like I I've seen people

1073
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.119
where they're like this movie is brilliant. We love it,

1074
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.119
and people like that movie sucks.

1075
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.519
It's the one that everybody talks about, that one in

1076
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:23.679
mash Mash.

1077
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.719
Yeah, exactly right. So I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep

1078
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:30.679
scoping here because I think here's what we're going to

1079
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:36.079
agree on. Nineteen eighty Shelley Devall apparently he's got he's

1080
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:40.480
he's he likes working with Shelley Devall because the same people. Yeah,

1081
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:45.000
nineteen eighty Shelley Devall and Robin Williams do Popeye.

1082
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.679
Yes, this was on heavy rotation in our house when

1083
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:49.519
we were this one.

1084
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.079
It's so fun. It is like a kid. I was

1085
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.000
a kid. I love this. You know are you know

1086
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.079
you watch like those re run like that, you know

1087
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.920
you When we were kids Amber there were there was

1088
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.480
certain cartoons you could tell were made, like like our

1089
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:04.920
parents grew up on him. We watched them and we

1090
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.480
still thought they were great. Popeye, I love Popeye, the

1091
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:11.760
Sailor Man, yep. And Robin Williams he was for me.

1092
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.639
He was Popeye for the longest time. I mean he

1093
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:16.400
kind of like and.

1094
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.320
This was and he was Popeye.

1095
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.679
Yeah, he was morek but then he completely took on

1096
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.880
the Popeye character. I didn't see Mork, you know, and

1097
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.039
I absolutely loved, loved him in this Ray Wallston played

1098
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:32.639
his Uh yes, was his pappy?

1099
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:33.599
Pappy? Yep?

1100
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:37.119
Yeah, I love Popeye. Okay, well see we're seeing, We're seeing.

1101
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:41.599
I I now We're yeah, We're there. Uh how about

1102
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:46.280
did you ever see I'm I'm jumping, I'm skinning right through.

1103
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:47.559
I'm going right through the eighties here.

1104
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.559
Well, don't go too far, because in nineteen eighty two

1105
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:55.400
he did the weirdest movie I've ever seen, and I

1106
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:57.480
watched it like when I was way too young.

1107
01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.960
Okay, what do you got h come back.

1108
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.039
To five and dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean.

1109
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:06.480
Okay, that's one for you, because I I don't know

1110
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:10.079
what we're talking about here, but I'm looking at it.

1111
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.880
It's based on a play, okay, And it's about this

1112
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.800
little town in Texas where they filmed the movie Giant.

1113
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:20.039
Oh, I love Giant.

1114
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:25.159
And these women that work at this five and dime

1115
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:31.599
and have been friends forever. They were like teenagers when

1116
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.400
the movie was made, and now it's like, however, many

1117
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:36.119
years later and they're having a reunion.

1118
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.119
Okay, And these women you're talking about. I'm looking Karen

1119
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:45.880
Black once again, and share and share. Okay, Okay, so

1120
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:50.000
you're you're you're gonna you're gonna get Bates, Kathy Bates.

1121
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:55.119
Yeah, and I mean it's weird, it's very unusual story,

1122
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:57.719
but it's very good.

1123
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.320
Okay, and you're but okay, so obviously you're suggesting this

1124
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.519
one for the listeners, like check if you like, if

1125
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.760
you liked Aldman and you haven't seen come back to

1126
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:12.519
the five and die. Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean. You're saying, yeah, different, yeah, absolutely,

1127
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.000
all right, We'll all right, we're tired. That's two for

1128
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:18.400
that's two to two. We're tied up here. Now we've

1129
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.639
been talking about the Player, which he does in nineteen

1130
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:24.159
ninety two. He followed this up with h In ninety three,

1131
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.239
he followed this up with a film called Shortcuts. Did

1132
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.039
you ever watch that one?

1133
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:35.000
I did? This one is famous for, Uh Julianne Moore

1134
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:36.760
doing a bottomless monologue.

1135
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:41.519
That is that was not on my bingo card when

1136
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:42.960
I was about to ask you, like, what makes this

1137
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:47.280
movie a good movie or a memorable movie? Uh, Juliet Moore, Okay,

1138
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:50.000
tell it at nope, she's their famous bottomless scene.

1139
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:54.599
Ane Moore approves. The curtains match the drapes. Okay, carpet

1140
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:55.639
matches the drapes.

1141
01:03:55.800 --> 01:04:01.320
Okay, thank you. So I read in college else, yeah,

1142
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.239
it is, it is. This is in college. I read.

1143
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:09.920
I read this in college famous Raymond Carver. I'm remembering that, right,

1144
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.239
I hope, I am. Yes, I haven't seen.

1145
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:16.960
It's just like these lives of these people in la

1146
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:17.639
at the time.

1147
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:22.119
And you know it's just aside from aside from Julian

1148
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:27.079
Moore's undercarriage, who else, who else is in this film?

1149
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.280
It's another one. He loves these big on this a

1150
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.000
big ensemble thing, and you just get like little bits

1151
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.519
of each of them. So you got any McDowell, Tim

1152
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:43.840
Robbins again, Jack Lemon, Matthew Modine and Archer Fred Ward pops.

1153
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.239
Up again, okay, And there's all all little bits of

1154
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:48.159
the you said.

1155
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:52.079
Yep, yep, just little vignettes, little short stories, little.

1156
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.880
Little bits, little vignettes of Julian Moore. I gotcha. Nineteen

1157
01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:00.320
ninety four. Listen, you could not keep me out of

1158
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.800
the theaters. In nineteen ninety four senior year, I was

1159
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:04.719
ditching class A lot of times just to go to

1160
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:12.280
the movies. I went to see this movie Pete Porte, Yeah,

1161
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:16.480
which we know is ready to wear this is You

1162
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:21.719
didn't like that fashion clearly not not a film for

1163
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:27.400
seventeen year old jeff. I guess Who's Who? Vanity Project

1164
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:29.800
and it's all about what is about fashion week? I

1165
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:34.639
think if I remember right, yes, I guess Paris Fashion Week.

1166
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:37.599
It was kind of like the Paris Fashion Week version

1167
01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:39.320
of The Player a little bit.

1168
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:42.679
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's that's that's fair. Only the player,

1169
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:45.920
I'm saying it. The Player's way better.

1170
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.960
Yeah, it's a lot more fun. Ready to Wear is

1171
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:50.480
you know they.

1172
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:52.039
Got they got me in the theater because they had

1173
01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:55.039
that you know, they had that the hook on the trailer.

1174
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:58.039
You know, they had the the hot Stepper song by

1175
01:05:58.480 --> 01:05:59.480
Who's Ininy Cammosi.

1176
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:04.559
Oh my god, I've been singing it for like the

1177
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:05.559
last three days.

1178
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:08.599
No no, no, no, no, no, yeah, that's that song

1179
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:12.079
was awesome and I'm like, oh, hey, wait, it's that

1180
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:14.440
It's that song from Q one O two and there's

1181
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.199
Julia Roberts like, I think I'm gonna.

1182
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:18.519
Go see this And it was not as hip as

1183
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:20.119
it pretended not what I.

1184
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:22.199
Had hoped it was going to be. But all right,

1185
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:27.599
we both saw that. So you got me. You got

1186
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:30.760
me by one. Still on the Altman count, let's let's

1187
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.480
keep moving on. Well, there's not a whole lot to

1188
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:38.199
move too, though, right, because he's doing some TV work. Okay,

1189
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:40.159
Then we get to two thousand and we get to it.

1190
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:43.119
Oh you got something to Okay.

1191
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:48.000
The gingerbread Man. I will see Kenneth Branna do anything.

1192
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.960
The gingerbread Man. A lawyer uses his power to help

1193
01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:55.920
his lover put her father behind bars, but when he escapes,

1194
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:57.960
they're all in, oh, this sounds good.

1195
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:00.360
It is Oh WHOA said?

1196
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:04.519
This is a John Grisham book. Yes, Robert Downey Jr.

1197
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.480
Yeah, all right, Robert.

1198
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.760
I'm doing I'm doing the Nashville gingerbread Man double feature

1199
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.199
here tomorrow. Is what it sounds like.

1200
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:18.039
Well, that's the hard thing about that one is it's

1201
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:19.599
almost impossible to find.

1202
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.719
Ah, come on, you know what, uh here, this is

1203
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.559
a perfect time for me to plug one of our

1204
01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:29.760
sponsors who doesn't sponsor us. I'm gonna pull up the

1205
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:31.880
I'm gonna pull up the just Watch app and I'm

1206
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:34.760
gonna type this in here and uh, and let's just

1207
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:38.800
see this app, Brad Kozo, turn me onto this app.

1208
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:41.239
It's on your phone's free app. You just type it,

1209
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:43.320
you know, you add you could actually add all the

1210
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:48.480
streaming services that you use, and then you type in yeah,

1211
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.960
you type in the name of the like I typed

1212
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.079
in ginger That's all I got out, and it automatically

1213
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:57.760
populated what we're talking about, The gingerbread Man. Ooh, sorry,

1214
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.320
the Gingerbreadman is not available at the moment. Let us

1215
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.480
notify you when it's available, notify me. But it's cool

1216
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:05.880
because like it'll tell you, Okay, it's on Hulu, or

1217
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.400
it's on to b, it's on Pluto, it's on Max,

1218
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:12.480
Like go download the just watch app Amber, because that's

1219
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:14.679
this will help you, you know, when we're talking about

1220
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.079
movies and we're like and you guys are always like, well, okay,

1221
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:19.439
let me figure out where it's at, and I'm always like, hey,

1222
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:22.800
it's streaming on this And I'm not a program director.

1223
01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:25.520
I just I just used to just watch app. That's

1224
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.520
how I know Tom Berenger in this movie. Also, yes,

1225
01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.399
you got me hooked, You got me hooked, because remember that,

1226
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:38.479
remember I teased a little, a little, a little special

1227
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:41.399
coming up here. I told you that I might have

1228
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:45.319
like a certain lawyer on the show and talk about

1229
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:49.520
our top five courtroom movies. Yes, that will be dropping

1230
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.319
at the end of this month, the top our top

1231
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.600
five courtroom dramas or I'm sorry, our top five courtroom movies.

1232
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.840
And I've got a very special guest, James Buckley, who

1233
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:02.720
has been on the shot You Can't Be Serious podcast

1234
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:07.920
several times. We finally we finally got him. Uh, and

1235
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.319
he's he's gonna be here in a couple of weeks

1236
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:14.600
to talk about his top five courtroom movies. But all right,

1237
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:19.039
so you've got the gingerbread all right. Uh, and thank

1238
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:20.520
you for pointing that one out, because that's you know,

1239
01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:24.239
he and I talk. We're gonna talk John Grisham. You can't.

1240
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.760
You can't talk courtroom movies without talking John Grisham. So

1241
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:31.079
that's that's coming. Uh two thousand though, Doctor T and

1242
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:31.560
the Women.

1243
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:34.479
Yeah, I don't think I said this one.

1244
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:37.279
I'll take if you can you take a moment, I

1245
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:38.720
don't know if you're online, if you could take a

1246
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:40.600
moment just to look at the pull it up on

1247
01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:43.640
I m dB. Just so you can look at the poster,

1248
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:48.560
the cringe, the cringe e poster for this film, for this,

1249
01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.720
for this Richard Gear movie. I mean, if there was ever,

1250
01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:54.600
my god, if there was ever a movie.

1251
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.279
Is ever gonna be successful. I'm calling it right now.

1252
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:04.680
Any movie about a gynecologist is going to be a

1253
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:05.319
bad choice.

1254
01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:07.560
Emma, are you telling me that you're not going to

1255
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:11.039
meet up with your girlfriends for like brunch mimosas and

1256
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.479
then go see a movie about a wealthy gynecologist now

1257
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:20.960
played by Richard Gear this movie. Yeah, you know what,

1258
01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:22.399
if Richard.

1259
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.840
Gere was my gynecologist, I would still be mad about

1260
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:25.319
having to go.

1261
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.680
Like I it bothers me that I have to. I

1262
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.239
have to put a tally mark because I've I watched that.

1263
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:32.600
I don't even know. I don't even know how I

1264
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.119
watched that. But you're you're still up, You're still up

1265
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:35.880
one on the audi.

1266
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:38.840
You watch it just for the beautiful women's, well many

1267
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:40.239
beautiful women's in the movie.

1268
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.479
Yeah, I mean, look just look at the look at

1269
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:46.039
the poster Richard Gear and then under it under his name,

1270
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:48.600
Helen Hunt, Farah Faucet, Laura Dernt, Shelley Long, Tara Reid,

1271
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:52.560
Kate Hudson, lived Tyler. I'll confess I might have had

1272
01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:54.880
a thing for liv Tyler around that time.

1273
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:56.760
I mean, who didn't, Who didn't?

1274
01:10:56.960 --> 01:11:05.199
She's adorable. But yeah, let's move on, Doctor tamanousand.

1275
01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:08.319
He's redeemed by the next one because it's the greatest

1276
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:09.359
movie he ever made.

1277
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:12.880
In my opinion, we're talking about We're talking about two

1278
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:14.159
thousand and one's Gosford Park.

1279
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:18.199
Gosford Park is absolutely a work of genius.

1280
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:20.279
I might have put this to the list because I

1281
01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:23.079
just read this and listeners. If you haven't seen this,

1282
01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:25.239
like me, if you're not, if you're not big on

1283
01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:28.560
Altman like I am. It says, set in the nineteen thirties,

1284
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:32.239
a group of pretentious Oh, Robert Altman doing movies. Somebu

1285
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:36.840
pretentious people, sure, sorry. A group of pretentious, rich and

1286
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:40.239
famous get together for a weekend of relaxation at a

1287
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:44.119
hunting resort. But when a murder court occurs, each one

1288
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:47.800
of these interesting characters becomes a suspect.

1289
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:51.079
Well, and that's not one hundred percent accurate. They're not

1290
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:55.399
at a hunting resort. This is the movie that led

1291
01:11:55.479 --> 01:12:00.880
to us getting Downtown Abbey. Do you It's written by fellows.

1292
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:01.720
Okay.

1293
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:10.640
And it's about the aristocratic British upper class meeting at

1294
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:15.920
this rich guy's estate to go hunting on his estate. Yeah,

1295
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.720
and they all want something from him, They all need

1296
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:20.600
money from him.

1297
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:25.079
If he if if he left your cold with that

1298
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:27.760
cringey doctor t and the women poster. This one got

1299
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:31.720
a knife in someone's back. He at four, dinner at eight,

1300
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:40.239
murder at midnight. I'm in uh oh, all right, you

1301
01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:41.359
got me on that one.

1302
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:46.760
Every great British actor, I mean, so much fun.

1303
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.880
All right, Well, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna kind

1304
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.920
of circle the wagons here in two thousand and six

1305
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:55.399
with a we're.

1306
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:58.399
Gonna go first, we have to watch The Company.

1307
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.359
The Company two thousand and three and three.

1308
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:07.880
Starring Nev Campbell. I bet you didn't know train in Ballerina,

1309
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:09.079
wait in.

1310
01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:11.600
Real life, for in the movie in real life? Okay,

1311
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:13.680
I did not know that. Yeah, you love the ballet,

1312
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.520
so yeah, now that I see it's a it's a

1313
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.239
movie about ballet, obviously, yes, Malcolm McDowell.

1314
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:24.880
Yeah, if you ever wondered what it's like to be

1315
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:29.159
in a company and and and it's applicable to you know,

1316
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.000
a theater company as well, you know, any kind of

1317
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:36.439
artistic group like this, like this is what the life

1318
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:39.199
is like every day doing the grind.

1319
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:39.880
All right.

1320
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:43.239
Another another it's a delightful little movie, like there's.

1321
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:47.880
Another about it. Yeah, another Altman film for Amber. Uh yeah,

1322
01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:50.279
you're you're, you're, you're definitely you're pulling away in the

1323
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:53.760
stakes here you've seen. Yeah, but uh.

1324
01:13:55.439 --> 01:14:00.520
Yes, a very home Companion did another radio first.

1325
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:05.920
Never heard of it, oh, Jeffrey, Oh my sorry, you have.

1326
01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:09.199
To like find it. Well, you can find it online,

1327
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:11.680
I think if you just go to their website. Okay,

1328
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:16.359
you can listen to old episodes. My uncle got us

1329
01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:20.560
hooked on this, like back in the eighties. He got

1330
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:27.039
like the whole set on CD from PBS, and it's

1331
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:32.520
Garrison Keeler telling you these stories about this little town.

1332
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:41.239
And they do like fake commercials for flower and cooking flower,

1333
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.720
baking flower, and uh, you know, they have a whole

1334
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:49.319
thing with like the radio sound effects, and so the

1335
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:52.119
radio show is just delightful.

1336
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.680
And then another movie just is like one.

1337
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:55.359
Of those episodes.

1338
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:58.960
All right, Ano, they're ensemble because there's there's way too

1339
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:01.319
many people to even talk about right now. But there's

1340
01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:05.199
like fifteen people in it. But okay, so you've all

1341
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:09.039
in all, you've seen twice as many Robert Altman movies

1342
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:13.119
as I've seen, So he would be the expert. Okay,

1343
01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:16.159
you would be the voice of reason as it were.

1344
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:18.960
All right, I got a question for you.

1345
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:22.720
Typically about this point, we always want to talk about

1346
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:24.520
what's next for the director. What do we want to see?

1347
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:28.279
You know, we know we lost lost him. I want

1348
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:30.159
to say two thousand and six, maybe like right after this,

1349
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.680
right after he does a Prayer Home Companion. Yes, it

1350
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:35.760
was not long after, not long after that. One. My

1351
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:40.399
question to you, Amber Lewis, was Altman all hype or

1352
01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:42.520
was he truly a great director? And if he was,

1353
01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:46.800
please cite the film of his that makes your case.

1354
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:50.520
What movie defines Robert Altman as as an incredible director.

1355
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:55.399
I think that he has a signature, and that is

1356
01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:02.279
the the ensemble cast. That he really has this unique

1357
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:06.479
way of presenting them to us and letting them just

1358
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:08.560
kind of flow through the story the way they do.

1359
01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:15.319
And you know, my absolute favorite work of his is

1360
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:21.760
Gosford Park and the layers that he puts with the mystery,

1361
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:24.600
with the characters. You've got the upstairs and the downstairs

1362
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:33.720
people in the house. He gets amazing, subtle, nuanced performances

1363
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:39.199
from you know, these amazing actors, and you have to

1364
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:43.000
pay attention. You can't just you know, turn it on

1365
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:46.600
and do something else. So I think that's what he's

1366
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:49.840
the best known for is is this ensemble work. And

1367
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.000
I think that's the best example.

1368
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:57.560
All right. Well, unlike the gingerbread Man, Gosford Park Hand,

1369
01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:01.399
it can at least be rented. You know, it's on

1370
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:05.920
Apple TV, Google, YouTube, Amazon, It's it's out there. You

1371
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:07.479
can you can get ahold of that one. You can't

1372
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:09.880
stream it, yes, but you can't. You can't rent it, so.

1373
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:12.680
And you can definitely worth the three ninety nine. I mean,

1374
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:14.399
I have owned.

1375
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.000
You've made a strong case for Gosford Party.

1376
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:21.640
Turn the subtitles on, even if you don't like subtitles

1377
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:24.439
A lot of I know, but it's a lot of

1378
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:28.920
overlapping dialogue and you're gonna miss And it's very quiet too,

1379
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:29.960
because I can keep up.

1380
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:31.039
Are they are they English?

1381
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:32.199
Yes?

1382
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:34.800
Are you subtitles whatever?

1383
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:39.039
It's fine, Just there's so much good stuff there. I

1384
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:40.279
don't want you to miss anything.

1385
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:46.239
All right. Well, look, clearly you love the player. You'll

1386
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:49.119
recommend this one right. It's streaming on Max. You can

1387
01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:50.880
you know, you can.

1388
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:54.520
See Hollywood in nineteen ninety two if.

1389
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.880
You want to see a project, if you want to

1390
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:01.479
see a vanity project for Hollywood that oozes pretentiousness. I'm sorry,

1391
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:05.479
I'm not I can't endorse this one, Amber, but you can.

1392
01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:09.199
And that's the great thing here. Our listeners, you know,

1393
01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:13.399
if they haven't seen the player, they'll watch it on

1394
01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:14.600
Max and they'll either go.

1395
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.000
What the hell was Amber?

1396
01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:20.479
Course? Maybe that Maybe they'll say, Amber, it was right.

1397
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:25.359
Maybe they'll say, thank you deaf Dave for pushing this

1398
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:29.279
one on. Jeff. Yes, I don't know. We'll find out, listeners,

1399
01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:31.199
what do you think of the player? What do you

1400
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:35.079
think of Robert Altman? Do I have it? Do I

1401
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:37.079
have it completely wrong? You can let us know on

1402
01:18:37.199 --> 01:18:41.000
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1403
01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:43.439
can check out a Film by Podcast dot com. We

1404
01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:45.640
got all of our episodes there streaming free on the

1405
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:49.560
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1406
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:51.720
can write to us at a film by Podcast at

1407
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.920
gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns. I

1408
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.880
don't want any angry postcards or threatening postcards like Tim

1409
01:18:58.960 --> 01:19:00.880
Robbins gets in this movie.

1410
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:03.960
But you know what, if you know you can try him,

1411
01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:07.680
he's wrong in the most forceful of ways. Okay, thank

1412
01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:09.039
you ever be kind.

1413
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:11.199
We're gonna we're gonna cut your in Mike here real quick.

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But hey, now, let us know what your thoughts are because,

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as always well, we'll read your response on the show

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and send you some of a film by Swag if

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we do join us tomorrow for our Star Trek themed

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series Phasers Set to stun Aber. I know you're excited

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for this because Wayne David and Scott Are they're in

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that uh that next generation world of the movies. You know,

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there's four they're starting tomorrow. We got we got Star

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Trek generations, so they're gonna have a great talk about that,

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as as they always do on that one. And on Friday,

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Monty Python fans can rejoice because our limited series of

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film at forty five will celebrate the forty fifth anniversary

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of Life of Brian and next time on a film

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01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.359
by we were thrilled by Trap and we'll be ready

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to talk about more tension, more plot twists with a

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01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.760
film by m Night Shamalan. I'm talking about his twenty

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sixteen mystery thriller Split Amber Again. I'm so glad you're

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back from vacation. We've missed you. I know the listeners

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01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:20.000
have missed you. Anything coming up for you over at

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01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:22.239
your home away from home docu Base seventy seven.

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Yes, we are actually doing our own Python themed you're

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doing Python, we are. We are doing Holy versus Totly

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01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:34.319
Grail versus Life of Brian Holy.

1437
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Oh wow, Okay, you're doing Holy Girl.

1438
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We're going head to head. Which one is the best?

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I have the answer to that question, but we have

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the answer as well. All right, Well, we don't want.

1441
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I don't want. I don't want to sue.

1442
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My son's going to be on that episode, and I

1443
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:49.079
think it might divide the household.

1444
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:54.079
I don't know a house divided. All right? Well, yeah,

1445
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:56.079
I always look forward to what you guys do over

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there on Docu Based seventy seven. Also, so that'll be

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01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:01.560
that'll be an interesting one. I look forward to that

1448
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because I'm not I'm the casual Ithon fan, but I

1449
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think I think once I listen to you guys, and

1450
01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:11.640
once I listened to David Scott do their whole life

1451
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:13.439
of Brian. You know, forty fifth anniversary of Life of Brian,

1452
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.800
I might become a I'm more involved fan, I'm a

1453
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:20.520
bigger fan as it were. At any rate to all

1454
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:23.920
of you listening, and there's certainly been an awesome surge

1455
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.680
in our numbers lately, Amber, so there's there's a lot

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more of an out there.

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Yeah.

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Please, for those of you listening for the first time

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or the three hundredth time, please know that if you're

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following us, liking us, rating, sharing us, subscribing to our Patreon,

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we thank you and we appreciate you. Till next time,