Oct. 22, 2024

Robert Zemeckis - What Lies Beneath

Robert Zemeckis - What Lies Beneath
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Season 5A Film By...

Jeff and David analyze the Hitchcock-inspired suspense, as well as the supernatural elements of Robert Zemeckis' moody, ghostly thriller What Lies Beneath! 

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I know we're we're just off camera talking about this

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this new movie here that's about to come out. You'd

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never you hadn't seen the trailer. You just watched the trailer.

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What now, I gotta know your thoughts. This is going

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to be a pretty powerful film. I see a The

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last shot of that trailer really nailed me when he

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walks into the room and says, we used to live

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here something this wife, this is where we lived.

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This is where we lived. But just the I'm guessing

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a lot of this movie takes place in one room

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or one house.

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I guess. I think the whole theme, the whole the

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whole gimmick. You know, Zamechis loves his gimmicks. Every couple

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of years he's doing something crazy, and you know, at

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the forefront of technology, and we've got we've got Tom

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Hanks basically growing up in this house and living his

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whole life there. And yeah, it's and it's like it

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looks like it's a static shot. It's like one shot,

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like what like the camera's just stuck in the living

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room because watch the whole movie.

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Yeah, because it shows the whole past too, like dinosaurs

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and like a cavewoman and then I guess everything is

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right there.

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You know that Casey Affleck movie Ghost, We should cover

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that sometimes. I know we've been talking to horror movies

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all month long, but we should cover that at some

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point because it's amazing. But same kind of premise, like

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where he's stuck in the same spot and we never

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leave that spot. Like, I don't know, man, I think

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Zamechas is up to something brilliant here.

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I think so too, and I'm very excited about it.

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Well, on that note, let's talk about a film by

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Robert Zamechis, his two thousand underrated horror mystery What Lies Beneath. Hello, everybody,

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I'm Jeff Johnson. I'm David Burns, and this is a

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film by podcast. It's been a great month. We've talked

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about some excellent horror films here and on our Patreon. Uh, Dave,

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I know you've been very busy over there.

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It's been a little crazy busy, Jeff, I've been. I've

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been involved in a lot of podcasts this month, but

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but I know we had a lot of fun with

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Scott Haffman with nineteen eighty six Psychoe three.

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I have been so waiting to cover Psycho three with

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you guys, Yeah, cause you know how we'll let the

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listeners hear that one. But you know how I feel

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about it, and I was. I would like to say

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I was surprised by the uh the reactions that you

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and Scott gave, but I'll leave it. I'll leave it

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at that. Yeah, moving on, Yeah, you know, and then

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like you know, nineteen ninety six, you know you you

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did Scream, You did, you did From Dust Till Dawn

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a film at forty five, you guys did the Amityville Horror.

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It's been a busy month for you not to mention

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the uh the stuff you've been doing for a film. Buy. Yeah.

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Absolutely, it was an enjoy having Wayne with the Amityville

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Horror because he was always frightened that movie.

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He is terrified of that film. I can't believe you guys,

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maybe you sit through that.

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Come on, Sorry, Wayne, but hey, you yearned it.

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What lies beneath Dave? You and I have been talking

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about this one for a while. We were gonna do

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this last year. Remember the schedule. We just couldn't get

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the schedule figured out.

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Unfortunately we couldn't. But hey, we've got it now.

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Absolutely, Well, why don't you tell the listeners what What

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Lies Beneath is all about?

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Absolutely, he was the perfect husband until his one mistake

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followed them home. CLAIREA and Norman seemed to be a

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normal married couple taking their daughter off the school, but

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things began to quickly unravel when Claire believes there was

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a ghost in their home. To make matters worse, Claire

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believes the ghost is trying to tell her something, leading

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to discovery that she never could have even imagined. What

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Lies Beneath is a Hitchcock style film with lots of surprises,

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incredible camera work, and beautifully directed by the master himself.

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Roberts mechis hold on tight as this mystery unravels in

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dramatic fashion, not only for Claire but for us as well.

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You mentioned Hitchcock, so let's go ahead and have the

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Hitchcock conversation. Of course does the meccas asks himself, what

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would Hitchcock have done with this script? So a couple

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of things, you know, And this is I'm quoting, I'm

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kind of paraphrasing him. He says, you got to cast

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a big star for the husband. First mission accomplished right easily. Yes,

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you got to make sure our female lead is blonde. Yeah,

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they think about I mean, if you think about all

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of Hitchcock's the female leads, they were all blondes. Yep again,

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you're doing great. Yep. Knocked out of the park. Yeah, Ford,

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Harrison Ford, Michelle Pfeiffer. They were his first and only

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choices for this movie. I can't even imagine who else

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could have done this movie because their chemistry and we'll

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get into we'll get into their their relationship, their marriage,

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whatever throughout the while we talked. But but the chemistry

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that these two have is just amazing.

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I think two incredible actors at the top of their game,

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no doubt about it, and their chemistry was phenomenal in

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this film.

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Mm hmm. I'll tell you what I love. I've made

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no secret that rear window is my all time favorite

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Alfred hitch hoy Home. I know there is a lot

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of rear window happening here at the beginning. You know,

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you got Claire spying on the furs, the the the

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the couple who lives next door. Yeah, you know, you

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got the husband. I love the husband removing something large

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and wrapped in plastic and stuffing it into the trunk

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of his car during a thunderstorm. Yeah, Wabachelle Fiver's watching

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in terror. Yeah, you know, we got the the wife

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goes mis see for a little bit. You know, Claire

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Michelle Pfeifer's character, she's spying, she's snooping, No one believes

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her her suspicions. I love that about about this movie, honestly.

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Yeah, you gotta have you gotta have those neighbors, right,

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I mean you've got to have that mysterious neighbor to

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keep things rolling. So yeah, of course.

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Every every uh, every neighborhood needs aklopex living living somewhere.

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What about that? And then we got the psycho homage.

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You know, there's a lot of terror in this movie

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that takes place in the bathroom.

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And you know, it's funny as how that's the first

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shot of the film.

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Mm hmm that you know, I'll say, if you're gonna

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open your movie with Michelle Pfifer in the bathtub, that's right,

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I'm in. I'm in. Yeah.

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I mean this movie has got like foreshadowing like crazy

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in it. There's like three things they foreshadow that clearly

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comes into play later on in this movie, and that's

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one of them. Puting up with that bathtop. You know,

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obviously something's gonna happen in there later.

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Yeah, well, you know, and and then later like we

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you know, just because we're talking Hitchcock. Now. I love

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the fact that Michelle Feiffer pulls the shower curtain in

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a very a very familiar way. I found an interesting

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quote Zameca's actually he uh, Dave, I know you uh

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you have this one on on DVD. Correct, Oh, yeah,

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of course they do. Yeah. Uh. The audio commentary, I

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noticed a Za Mecca stated, and I'm quoting him here

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about the bathroom. He says, quote, it's the most vulnerable,

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vulnerable room in the house. It's the creepiest room. And

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they offer bathrooms offer many of the same services as

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a morgue. I'm telling you right now when he like,

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I heard him say that, and I thought about, like,

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think about bathroom brightly lit, a lot of hard surfaces,

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you know, cleaning, preparing drains, drains. He's not wrong, No,

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he's not.

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That's kind.

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I haven't been to the bathroom all day just because

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I don't know if I want to do the bathroom

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to night now.

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Yea.

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And of course there's you know a lot of the

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pacing of this film, the camera angles especially. You know,

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I don't know how much you want to talk about

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camera angles, but there's a lot of hitchcock.

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If you know me and camerangles, Buddy, I talk about

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it all the time because I love cinematography.

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Yeah, tell me what tell me, tell me what you

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thought about the shots of this movie.

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Yeah, I'm telling you, man, towards the end of this film,

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when you get that whole sequence of her trying to escape. Okay,

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we're gonna go back to one of them a little

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bit later that we're going to talk about and that's

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going to the floor. But yeah, the ones I'm talking

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about is when she runs out to get to the vehicle.

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She jumps into the vehicle and then she it won't start,

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and then she has to open the door and the

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camera goes with the mirror you kind of see what's

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going on behind her to add even more attention to

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what's going on with her character. And then she goes

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through the truck. She gets the truck, she takes off,

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but yet you're she's still looking in the mirror back.

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You see the rocking chair moving.

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Yeah, on the porch, Yes, so you.

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Know someone has gone off. Come off that porch. But

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even before that, you get that shot of him sitting

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up inside the window.

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That's that silhouette where he yes. Yeah.

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So many good camera angles in this movie. Man, that

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just very Hitchcock, very Hitchcock. I remember when I first

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saw this in the theater and that scene was like,

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oh my god, he literally this is a love story

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to Alfred Hitchcock. That's exactly what that was.

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It is it is uh and the music and I,

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you know, we'll kick this down the road a little

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bit because I know we're gonna talk about it later,

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but even the music is such such a Hitchcock homage.

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And I absolutely love what Alan Silvestrie does. But we'll

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get to that. We'll get that a little bit later here.

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But Dave, are you aware that this film has a

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very infamous connection to a television show?

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No, I don't think I do.

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This makes me a little a little sad, It makes

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me a little suspect. But apparently this film has a

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lot in common with an episode of Charlie's Angels Real

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But All Shows, Season four, episode thirteen was called of

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Ghosts and Angels. This came out in nineteen eighty, So

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I'll give you a rundown of the episode because it's

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out there. The Angels attend a weekend party at a

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creepy mansion and there's a woman. She's one of the angels,

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her friend I think Shelley, the one that the angel

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that Shelly Hack played. She's friends with her. And this

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woman happens to be terrorized by a ghost that was

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in a relationship with her husband. Turns out the husband

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is the villain. You know. They they solve the crime

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using stuff they find in the house. You know, it's

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apparently there's a lot of similarities, even with some dialogue,

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and not only not only does does DreamWorks not talk

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about this? There's no credit, there's no nods, no mentions,

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nothing to the Charlie's Angels episode of ghosts and Angels?

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So interesting. I didn't know that at all. Well, you know,

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they don't want you to know about it.

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Yeah, you don't. They don't want you to know. But yeah,

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check check out season four, episode thirteen, and I will.

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You might go. You might ask yourself like, what are

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you what are you up to? Robert? Yeah, he's very

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very Harrison Ford like is his cribbing. But speaking of

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Harrison Ford, he's playing he's playing Norman as in as

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in Norman Bates Norman Spencer Dave. He immediately signed on

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despite being cast against type. I think this is amazing, Like,

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I love that. I love the fact that he he's

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been the hero for so long and then a chance

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to play a real villain comes along and he's he

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snaps it right up.

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Well, it throws you off, and that that really helps

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the film in my opinion, because when you when you

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watch it, you're you're kind of fooling yourself because like,

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this is Indiana Jones.

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He's not bad. No, I'm sorry, he's not bad.

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And then when you realize, as been Claire learns, you're like, oh,

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Harrison Ford is a jerk.

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Well he he goes from like, hey, he's Harrison Ford.

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He's gonna save us. Two, Okay, you know what you're

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you kind have a shitty husband. You know, you had

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an affair, but you're still Harrison Ford, so we can

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get past. It goes a little bit deeper. You covered

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up a murder, yeah, no, he you know, a suicide. First,

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you covered up a suicide, which at that point you're like,

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well wait a minute, hold on, why would you do that? Yeah?

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And man, Harrison Ford is. I think he's doing some

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of his best acting when he's got her her lifeless body,

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when you know, when she's paralyzed by the drill. Yeah,

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he is just he's one of the best villains I've

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ever seen on a screen.

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Yeah, that whole sequence man, of when he drugged her

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and then takes her to the bathroom. Oh my god, dude,

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and she's in the bathroom, turns.

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The water on.

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Dude.

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That terrifying. Think what was terrifying?

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Just the camera angles in themselves, you know when the

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water level is rising.

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Well, and you know, we've seen we've seen Harrison Ford

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work with so many talented directors, and I'm asking myself,

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why did we have to wait until the year two

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thousand to get these two guys lined up? Turns out

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he was the original choice to play Eddie valliant and

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who framed Roger Rabert, but at the time Zabecca couldn't

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afford him. Yeah, he is Harrison Ford after all, that's right.

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He is forward, so he comes with quite the price tag.

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His lovely and talented wife, Claire Spencer laid by Michelle Pfeiffer,

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The Beautiful, The Beautiful mesmerizing Michelle Pfeiffer we're talking about.

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I feel like we've been talking about Michelle Peiffer quite

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a bit this season. I know, I know we talked

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about her on Lady Hawk with me and Amber Lewis,

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But I'm always happy talking about Michelle Feiffer. This is Dave.

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You gotta think this is not the first time. You know,

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we opened the month talking about Michelle Pfeiffer, Amber and

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I did talking about Wolf. That's right, and now you

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and I are closing the month talking about Michelle Pfeifer,

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like the next little Michelle Feiffer sandwich. So yeah, I

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like that. Uh that that DVD audio commentary I mentioned,

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Becca Zabecca says, and you know he's talking about Michelle Feiffer,

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obviously he's as The whole reason the movie works on

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a suspense level is because the audience is. It has

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nothing to do with technique, it has nothing to do

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with effects or sound. It's all because audiences are one

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hundred percent emotionally involved with Michelle's character. It's true. He's

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absolutely right.

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Yeah, you attach yourself to her character really quickly. Yeah,

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and you want to believe her, you want to be

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with her. You want to be behind her, you know,

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in believing what she's doing, and you want to protect her.

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So yeah, you attached to her pretty quickly.

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I'll tell you something. You and I. I mentioned you

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and I talked about Scream on our nineteen ninety six

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limited series. This is something we didn't talk about, but

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Michelle Pfeiffer actually took inspiration from Drew Braymore's performance and Scream.

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That's right, Yeah, saying the character's terror was was so real.

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It was so real. She thought, that's that's how you

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do it.

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That is exactly how you do and that's why it

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works so well in that film. That's why it works

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so well in this film.

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Yeah. Well, she spends this whole movie trying to convince

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everyone that she's not going crazy, but at the same time,

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she's wondering, am I going crazy? Yeah?

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You know, and and as you as an audience that

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are thinking the same thing. Because what I like about

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this movie about her character, you know, you don't get

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it through dialogue right away of kind of her past

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when she goes downstairs and she's looking through the photo

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album and you're looking at the pictures and stuff like that.

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Just in that you're starting get a little tidbit of her,

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of her background, of a story that you want to

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know more of, And of course you get that a

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little bit later on what happened to her previous husband.

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Yeah, well, movies, movies have to give us exposition. Some

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movies do a poor job where they just ram it

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down her throat. And then you have a movie like

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What Lies Beneath where it's very subtle, like with the

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scene that you're talking about, cause you you know, the

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first thing you cleue in on. You know, the daughter's

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going away to college. They're packing her up, getting her ready,

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and the daughter's concerned, and she says, don't worry. I've

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got my garden, I've got Norman, I've got you know.

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And I'm like, wait, why didn't she say dad? Right?

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And I'm like, wait, is the girl not? Is Harrisupport

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not her father? And then you find out you're looking

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at this this photo album she was married before to

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a musician. Yep, it was a you know, he passed away,

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and you know, a lot of a lot of a

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lot of emotional baggage Michelle Feiffer's carrying. We don't it's

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not told to us it's shown to us in a

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very subtle, quick way just looking through a photo looking

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through a photo op. And I think that's such a

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brilliant way it is to tell a lot about someone's past.

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Yeah, it's a very talented way of doing it. Because

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in working in the movies you want to use left

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words and more visual. That's exactly what they did right there,

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and it works perfect.

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Yeah. Other than that, Zameccha's is doing doing great foreshadow,

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Like you talked about her in the bathtub opening the movie,

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and even when you get exposition through dialogue, think about

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when she's scared. You know, she hears some noises in

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the house, she goes to work, you know, she she

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goes to see him at work. And you get to

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like the lab, the lab guys that the lab techs.

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They're just talking about what this that this drug can

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do to mice. And you know, the first time you

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watch this, you're not even thinking about it night, not

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at all. It's just like whatever. Yeah, you know, same

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thing like when they go to dinner and cross the bridge. Yeah,

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oh yeah, the crossing the bridge and the cell phone signal. Yep,

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them having dinner with their friends and they're having that

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that that situation where he's talking about another professor that

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was let go because he got involved with a got

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involved with a student and hairsports like that. I don't

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mess around with that. Yeah. There's so little, so many, yeah,

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so many things that you you missed the first time

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you see this movie. Yeah, and it's funny to go

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back and watch and pick them up.

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The movie's full of that foreshadowing stuff and yeah, you

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don't really catch it.

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Yeah, I mean, we're we're we just what we just

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did was tip of the iceberg, you know, you know,

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and if we just and if hey, if we ruined it,

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I'm sorry. Has been out for twenty four years.

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So yeah, I think you had your chance to see this.

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Come on, come on, sorry, I'm not sorry. How about that?

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That's great. James James Remar and Miranda Otto play the

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problematic couple that's just moved in across next door the

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Fears again. Remar in small doses is amazing. I think

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I love his character. Oh yeah, me too, because he's

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creepy when she goes next door to kind of snoop

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around try and find the wife. He's polite, he's not threatening,

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but his creep factors off the charts. Still, really, when

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when will your wife be back? I have to go

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so you know, you know, man, he's great. I love

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the fact too that he gets I love the fact

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for James remar that he gets to save the line

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I didn't kill my wife in front of Harrison Ford,

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who says it in like what nineteen ninety three fugitive

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in the Futuitive.

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I tell you, there's there's a There's a couple other

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scenes I really love with him. One was and you

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really feel like bad because when Clara goes off off

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the rocker at the party blaming him from murdering his

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wife in front of everybody, and then they turn his

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wife like walks in, they're like, oh rap, well okay,

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I just made a full of myself. But the other

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part was later on when there I guess was at

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the dinner party.

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Or the dinner party for the Dean or something for

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the Dean.

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Yeah, and like they're together and he's pretending like he's

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choking her.

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Oh yeah, he sees her from across the across the

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party and he gives like the high nod, but then

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like play strangles his wife, like I gotcha, you know

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Miranda Auto. Uh, this is two years before she's playing

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Iowin in The Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Kind of

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nice for ze Meccas to get. You know, you look

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back on this now, it's like, wow, Mirandato. You know

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she's in such a small role, right, but she really

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wasn't you know? She had? Yeah yet that's some TV.

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He done a couple couple of small roles. But hmm yeah,

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nice seeing her in this though. I think it was

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I think he also was. Nice.

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Thing is Joe Morton who plays that doctor Drayton.

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Oh, yeah, he's been in a ton of stuff, you know,

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Miles Dyson exactly.

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Everyone's gonna know him a Mile Dyson from T two.

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He plays one of those uh, he's he's playing the therapist though,

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like when Michelle Wiffer's going crazy or thinks she's going

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crazy and she needs to go talk and he's he's

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doing one of those therapists bits. So where you know,

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why do you think you're here? You know? And I.

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Want to point something out here, Jeff that I don't

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know if they did this on purpose or not. So

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the movie is called What Lies Beneath? Yeah, did you

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notice the Psychiatric's office was below ground.

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You're right, the windows were like you saw people like

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above them. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if that was

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intentional or not, but I bet it is.

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That's pretty cool.

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I bet it was. Yeah. He's been a nice little

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he gets what I think he gets. Like what two

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scenes she goes to seam twice. Maybe it's always it's

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always nicee Joe Morton, Oh yeah, it's always nice to

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see uh. Amber Valletta, supermodel, supermodel, Amber Valletta. She's playing

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Madison the Ghost yep, Dave. This was her feature film debut,

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is it mm hmm. Now, I don't know about you.

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I I know her aside from playing the creepy ghost

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in this movie. I always remember as the object of

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Kevin james affection in that Will Smith movie.

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Hitch oh yeah, hitch, Yeah, you're right.

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She was like the she played the girl like Kevin

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James had a crush on her, and Will Smith was

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gonna help him. You know, He's gonna give him some game,

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teach him how to talk to girls or whatever.

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Sure, Kevin James, we believe you.

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I believe it. I believe I want to live in

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a world where Kevin James can can land someone like

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Amber Valletta, because.

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I guess because that gives me home to You're right,

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she gives you hope too, man.

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Yeah. Yeah, So it's it's this is one of those

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fun things though, where like you see her and like

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you gotta be careful that because at any any given

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moment she turns into like the ghost, the the coord

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the the decayed corpse ghost version of Madison. So I'm

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happy to see her sometimes and sometimes I'm like, you know,

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pull the blanket up. I'm not ready.

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Yeah, that that whole sequence of her when she was

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when the truck obviously crashed into the water and you

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get that whole secret underwater fantastic. Yes, that was an

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entirely incredible scene from beginning in there. But then you

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know she comes up and basically grabs mister Ford there

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and helps him drown.

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Mm hmm, just just you know, justice served, right, that's right,

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Justice served. Let's uh, I want to talk about the

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film's background, but before you do that, let's take a

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quick break and we'll be right back. Welcome back. We're

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talking about what lies beneath Dave. I found something that

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you might know this, but I'm gonna share it anyways.

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Because our listeners are gonna you know, it might blow.

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We might blow some minds here. DreamWorks has a script

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treatment from Sarah Trona Chan. Now if you don't know

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that name, it's partially our fault because we did not

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talk about her on our limited series nineteen eighty six.

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She was the writer for nine and a half weeks.

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But she gives us a script treatment and it's involving

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a retired couple dealing with compassionate spirits. Apparently yep, which

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is not this film. No DreamWorks. DreamWorks likes it enough

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to get it. Then they hire Clark Greg to rewrite it.

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Clark Greg, Clark Greg, you know who I'm talking about.

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No, please tell me.

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Oh well, I'm gonna blow your mind too. Clark Greg

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00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.960
is Agent Coulson from the MCU. What oh my, yes, yeah, Clark.

466
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.359
I was like, I'm looking at you by Clark Greg,

467
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.599
and I'm getting no reaction.

468
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.119
I'm like, because they didn't connect it to that's the

469
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:15.720
same person.

470
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:21.480
Holy crap. Agent Coulson wrote What Lies Beneath all right? Yeah,

471
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:27.119
And in nineteen ninety eight, Steven Spielberg hands agent Coulson's

472
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:32.359
script to his friend Robert Zemeckis. M that's that's that's

473
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.119
the starting point for this one. You know, I don't

474
00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:36.799
know where we can talk about it, but I want,

475
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.400
I do want to. We we gotta talk about the

476
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:42.559
music before it gets away from us. Oh yeah, Alan's music. Yeah,

477
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.079
composed and performed by Alan Silvestri. I love his music here.

478
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.000
I love the nods to Hitchcock that he's doing in it.

479
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.880
It's so Hitchcock. I mean, he could. I mean, Allen

480
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.200
Sylvester has worked with the Meccas for many, many, many

481
00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.720
years and many films, so of course he was going

482
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:03.319
to high Silvestri. But the fact that you know Zamakis

483
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.839
was going for this Hitchcock style film, he knocked it

484
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.599
out of the park with Soda Sevestri. Both of them

485
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:11.519
camed up very well to pull that off.

486
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:16.400
It's incredible what he does here, because sometimes the best

487
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:20.440
thing a composer can do is nothing at all, And

488
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:24.920
there are several scenes where he purposely has no music

489
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.839
and all you're left with are the sounds in.

490
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:33.279
The house as as a frightening Well, think about this.

491
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.599
Think about every time you've ever been in a situation

492
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:42.359
where you're alone and you're scared, the silence is almost

493
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.440
deafening because everything is amplified because you're listening so intently,

494
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:49.440
and you get that, you get that in this film.

495
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:53.160
Some of the best moments are are the moments where

496
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.559
there's no music because you're you're you're like like you

497
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.160
you mentioned like you know, we're along for the ride

498
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.599
with Michelle Pfeiffer, and we are put in that same,

499
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.920
that same place of fear with her. Because his music,

500
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.720
I think would sometimes music can have a way of

501
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.640
telling you what's gonna happen, right, And I like the

502
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:16.119
fact that this time out his score when it does

503
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.039
kick in, especially at the end, which is when it

504
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.640
should kick in when it should and it just now,

505
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.799
then it's telling you, like, buckle up, right, yep, Well

506
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.839
I'm gonna buckle up because you know, you know as

507
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:31.039
well as I are. Our good friend Wayne Whiteed loves

508
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.240
Alan Silvestri. So I think it's time for another of

509
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.880
Wayne's score sessions. Let's do it, Wayne, take it away.

510
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.839
The year two thousand was an interesting year for cinema,

511
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.880
with quite a mix of films including Gladiator, Castaway, Dinosaur

512
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:48.960
X Men, The Patriot Chicken Run, all of which I

513
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.720
saw in the theater, And another film that I saw

514
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.039
in the theater with my family was What Lies Beneath,

515
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.680
not because I like the trailer or the plot of

516
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.559
the film sounded interesting, but simply on the fact that

517
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.440
it was acted by Robert Simchis. Zamechis was a director

518
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.119
that I had followed with for more than a decade

519
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.720
at that point, ever since the release of Who Framed

520
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.480
Roger Rabbit, and I always made sure that I saw

521
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.640
every one of his films in the theater, even if

522
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.359
I didn't care for the film. There was always one

523
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.559
thing that I could rely on that every one of

524
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.599
his movies would have a fantastic score by Alan Silverstrey.

525
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.599
But this was a different genre film that I was

526
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:31.599
used to hearing from Silvestri, the horror film. At this point,

527
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.920
Silverstrie hadn't scored many horror films. The only film that

528
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.839
comes to mind was his electronic score for the nineteen

529
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.880
eighty five film Cat's Eye. I know he had scored

530
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:43.599
three episodes, as Mecha said, directed of the TV series

531
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.240
Tales from the Crypt, which I loved, so I believed

532
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:48.160
he was up for the task.

533
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:49.359
But was he.

534
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.440
I'm finding it difficult to answer that question. Silverstrie has

535
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:58.680
a style, a unique sound that, like most composers, can

536
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.559
be heard throughout every one of their scores. It's like

537
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.960
a fingerprint, and within a few bars of music, I

538
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.039
can tell it's his. It's in his scores for Back

539
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.240
to the Future, It's in his music for Judge Dread

540
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.759
Richie Rich Young Guns too. Hell is even in his

541
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:19.240
earliest scores for the TV series Chips. That uniqueness is

542
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.079
missing with his score for What Lies Beneath. Silvistrie had

543
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:26.880
created one sound with his score, one tone, and it's

544
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:32.920
a low, droning monotone, oneasiness. At times he will lift

545
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.359
his music above that, creating short bursts of full orchestra

546
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.559
that start to remind me of his other more luscious

547
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:43.119
scores before they need backs down and returns to the

548
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:48.400
quiet and somber undertones. What Lies Beneath is a case

549
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.960
of where the score works best within the context of

550
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:55.680
the film and not as a separate listening experience. Get

551
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.960
me wrong, There are some wonderful cusity created one that

552
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.680
sets the mood of the scene. It's accompanying without ever

553
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.039
going overboard and moving above the dialogue and sound effects

554
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.839
that Simcha's has expertly crafted. One would be the cue

555
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.720
panic Attack, using quiet strings and woodwinds to set the

556
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.720
tone before ending with a brief reprise of his main title.

557
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.640
Another is Forbidden Fruit, the longest cue that Sylviistry created

558
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.720
for this score, which at times begins to mimic the

559
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.039
sound of Bernard Hermann and his score for Psycho, and

560
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.400
where Sylviistry side finally starts to lift his music above

561
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.839
the ominous droning and into more familiar orchestral themes, with

562
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:41.960
several outbursts of percussion leading to string and woodwinds mealy

563
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:46.319
and ending with a very creepy ensemble of screaming female voices,

564
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.599
and then the course the score ends with a very

565
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.519
satisfying six and a half minute end credits, where Sylvistry

566
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.839
takes all his new themes and combines them into one

567
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:59.240
concert piece to cap everything off. The score for What

568
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.519
Lies Beneath was first released on July twenty fifth, two thousand,

569
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.880
with a thirty minute CD consisting of nine selected cues,

570
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.119
released by Very Sarah Band Records just in time for

571
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:14.799
the film's theatrical release, but then this year, on May fourth,

572
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.440
twenty twenty four, Very Sarah Band released the complete score

573
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.319
in a twenty five track sixty minutes program featuring two

574
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:27.000
source cues, newly remastered with beautiful clear sound and with

575
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:31.079
new liner notes, and an interview with screenwriter Clark Gregg,

576
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:35.079
which I'm just now realizing is that the same guy

577
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.440
that played Agent Cools Avengers. It is okay, Well, I

578
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:44.519
learn something. The score is still available through the company's

579
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.039
website and at various soundtrack dealers like in Trodden Screen Archives.

580
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.519
While I wouldn't call it an essential buy, those who

581
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.440
would enjoy a different side to Alan Silverstree, which should

582
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:56.359
pick it up for their collection.

583
00:31:58.359 --> 00:31:59.000
It's amazing.

584
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.279
Wayne is so good about breaking down a score for us. Yeah,

585
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.599
and I'm so glad that we're doing this now and

586
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.119
getting him involved with these scores because people need to

587
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:13.559
hear what he has to say. And I couldn't agree more. Wayne,

588
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.319
you are absolutely right about Silvestri's score and what he

589
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:17.880
did for this film.

590
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:24.039
Absolutely. Back to the production, Dave DreamWorks brings Fox into

591
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.480
this deal. They agree to a package that involves Castaway.

592
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.920
I think this is a very unusual situation here because

593
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:37.599
Samechis shoots What Lies Beneath while Castaway is on a hiatus.

594
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:39.640
Well, yeah, the d heady of Tom Hanks time to

595
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.079
lose weight when he was stuck on that island. So

596
00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.319
I mean it made sense, right, you need to waste time.

597
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.039
They're shooting Castaway. He's out on the island. All right, Tom,

598
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:51.640
you need to grow your hair, you need to grow

599
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:55.279
the beard. You need to drop about thirty forty pounds.

600
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.240
We'll see in six months. Right, we're gonna film another movie.

601
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.400
We're gonna go fill another Think about that, though, I mean,

602
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.559
you dave you as a director, think about the idea

603
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.759
of shooting something, being right in the middle of it,

604
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.119
and then hitting the brakes and then jumping into a

605
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:18.599
whole different project and shooting the entire thing pre production, production, post,

606
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.519
and then jumping right back to the movie that you're

607
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:20.920
working on.

608
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.359
It boggles my mind that there are some talented people

609
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.640
out there who are able to do that. You just

610
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.160
turn it off and turn something on and then off

611
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.720
and then on again, because I mean, you're switching gears

612
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:34.720
so much, and you know how involved it is with filmmaking, Jeff,

613
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.400
you know you've been behind the scenes and making films too.

614
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.240
But this reminds me of Spielberg when he made Sinders

615
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.880
List and Jurassic Park at the same time.

616
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.279
How do you do that? I don't understand what these

617
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.160
guys how they do what they do, But I'm so

618
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.720
happy that they do. Oh yeah, what they do because

619
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.279
their films are incredible. They absolutely are. Yeah, this film,

620
00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.000
I mean, this film was incredible in its own right.

621
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.359
It did earn two hundred and ninety one million dollars

622
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.039
on a budget of one hundred million. It opens at

623
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.159
number one at the box office. It beat the X Men, Yeah,

624
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.599
Bryan singers X Men, it beat it. And you know,

625
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.880
but here's the thing. When we speak about it being underrated,

626
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.559
it's with the critics, you know, because they praised Michelle

627
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.039
Pfeifer's performance, but they went cold on the film overall.

628
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.440
And I don't understand that. I've read so many reviews

629
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.880
of this, Dave, and I'm like, what film did they what?

630
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.320
What were they watching? I don't know.

631
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.360
And this is why, man, just go to the theater,

632
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:30.960
don't you know. The critics are a good thing to

633
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.159
read to get an idea, but just go get your

634
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:36.880
make your own mind up, go see movies. And this

635
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.920
is a perfect example of that, Jeff, I don't know

636
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:39.800
what they were watching.

637
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.000
I saw this. I saw this at the theater I

638
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.480
did do, and it was it was phenomenal. You know,

639
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.280
I have a funny story about when I saw this movie.

640
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.880
Oh tell me, I gotta I want to hear.

641
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.039
So I was working at Suncoast. I was living in

642
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:58.800
Indiana at the Lafayette Store at that time. Okay, so

643
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.039
my family had come out to visit me. And you

644
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.559
know my niece, Meghan, oh yeah, who loves horror movies,

645
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.440
but she has a tendency to get scared very easily.

646
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.480
So her and I decided to go watch What Lies

647
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:14.599
Beneath in the theater, just her and I. And it

648
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.440
was fortunate for us because when we went to see this,

649
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.800
we were the only two in the entire theater that

650
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:21.920
saw this movie, so we had this theater to ourselves.

651
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.559
But the only reason why I say that, Jeff, is

652
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.880
because the scene in the movie where Claire's walking around

653
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:33.719
and the radio comes on, oh yeah, nowhere, it's really

654
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:37.960
loud and makes you jump. So when that happened, Megan

655
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:42.159
let out the most blood curdling scream I have ever

656
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.760
heard in a theater, and I'm like, oh, I was

657
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.000
laughing more at her than anything else.

658
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:49.199
So that for this movie here.

659
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.440
I have so many fond memories of that, and I

660
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:52.800
just I'd love to tell that story.

661
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.719
Seeing seeing movies on the big screen and sharing it

662
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.559
with an audience, even if it's one person, sometimes makes

663
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.320
a huge difference and whether or not you're gonna enjoy it,

664
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:05.920
And that's I love when stuff like that happens. Actually,

665
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.400
oh yeah, yep, you mentioned earlier there was a scene

666
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:10.719
you wanted to talk about.

667
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.320
Oh yeah, the the the shot of going under the floor. Yep,

668
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.239
you know, this was an amazing This is when she's

669
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.719
getting drugged and the camera comes basically over top of it.

670
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.320
He goes down underneath the floor looking up at her,

671
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:32.480
and of course Harrison fordas he's coming over her in

672
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.000
the commentary that you talk about, Jeff, I watched listen

673
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.960
to that commentary and when he got to that point, says,

674
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:39.800
we're not going to talk about this scene. I got

675
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.000
so agitated because of that happening in that commentary.

676
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.719
I remember, I remember you and I talking about that moment,

677
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:49.760
and then I remember this comes out, and I remember

678
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.199
I hadn't listened to the commentary yet, and then you called.

679
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.960
I remember you calling me angry. I was because you

680
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.880
were like he he mentions the scene and I was like, well,

681
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:03.000
why you so upset? Like what he goes because he says, oh,

682
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:04.440
here's this great scene, and we're not going to talk

683
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:09.760
about it. Moving right along, You're like curious. Yeah, it's

684
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.519
him and the two producers on that audio commentary. They're like, oh,

685
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.000
here's a great scene. You know, we're gonna talk about

686
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.440
how we did it, though, you know, sometimes you just can't.

687
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.920
You can't tell everything. But we're living in twenty twenty

688
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.119
four now, yeah, we know the answer. We know the

689
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.199
answer now. Yeah. Yeah.

690
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:32.159
So irritating. But apparently they had done a glass.

691
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:33.320
Floor, uh huh.

692
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:35.119
So when the camera goes under and looks up, you're

693
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.760
looking through obviously glass, and they just replaced it digitally

694
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.559
with the wooden floor, which is very unique on how

695
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.000
they did that. I love when they do stuff like that.

696
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.960
I think it might be one of the best camera

697
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.840
shots in the entire film. I do too.

698
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.119
And they kind of did it again a little bit

699
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.199
later when she was escaping. Remember she knocked the keys

700
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.079
out off at that little dish or whatever it was,

701
00:37:58.119 --> 00:37:59.840
and they fell on the floor. The camera kind of

702
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.559
goes underneath him, again, so they kind of did it

703
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:02.239
again right there.

704
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.800
Yeah, yeah, he double dipped on that one about but

705
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.760
I was totally cool with that. Oh yeah, me too. Yeah.

706
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.199
Best scene for you, like most like whether it's the

707
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:16.199
most intense, whether it's I'm thinking, you know, I'll just

708
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:17.079
I'll jump ahead of you.

709
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:17.719
Mm hmm.

710
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:22.119
I think it's Ford where he's he's he's getting her ready,

711
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.440
like he's he's gonna murder her. Oh yeah, And you know,

712
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:27.639
we we always see this. It's it's a cliche when

713
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:32.320
a villain is going to explain their whole motives to

714
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.000
the hero that's gonna that we know is gonna get away.

715
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:39.800
But he's so arrogant and he's so smarmy the way

716
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:44.079
he's he's talking about what he did to Madison and

717
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.639
why he did it, and even that moment where he's

718
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.920
he's kind of sympathetically like he's he's resting his chin

719
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.320
on the on the on the edge of the tub, yep,

720
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.719
and he's like, you know, I always I'm I'll always

721
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.119
think of you. When I look at you know, your

722
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:03.519
daughter's eyes. It's like the creep factor shoots through the

723
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:07.039
roof on that because now you're thinking wait, why is

724
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.280
he even thinking about the daughter, you know, the nineteen

725
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.039
year old daughter away at college. Because you know, he says, oh,

726
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:13.440
this is gonna your death is gonna bring us so

727
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:19.039
much closer. It's like, oh dude, yeah right, No, Harrison Ford, like,

728
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.280
would you let me give a chance to be a villain?

729
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.760
He goes all in right that that whole sequence, You

730
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.519
know that you took the words right out of my mouth.

731
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.400
That whole scene there in the bathtub, in the bathroom,

732
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.679
just every camera angle, every word, everything that was done

733
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:38.880
there was just perfectly done. And the scene where he

734
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.920
gets scared because he sees the the ghost mm hm

735
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.360
and he hits his head. Dude, I don't know how

736
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:45.679
they filmed that, but that looked real.

737
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.920
It looks well, it looks real because it's it's really

738
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.079
Harrison Ford. Because they talk about him doing his own

739
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:52.599
stunt there, like he was like, no, I can do it.

740
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:55.519
I do not want to take a tumble in a

741
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.719
marble bathroom. No, with with a cast iron tub, That's

742
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:03.039
that's not for me. But even the close shots that

743
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.840
like right, he's right up, the camera's right on the

744
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.519
shell fifer as that water is getting closer to her

745
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.800
mouth closer to her nose because she can't move.

746
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.320
She's paralyzed, but she's awake, but she's getting slow movements

747
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:15.280
in her toe.

748
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.440
Slow mood. Yeah, but I love that that he keeps

749
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.840
the water. I love that he keeps the camera right

750
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:23.960
on the bath water yep, so that you feel it's

751
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:27.719
a very tense moment because you feel like that, that

752
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.800
that anxiety, like you're about to drown, like the water's

753
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:30.800
getting too close.

754
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.119
And that can want to show you what camera angles

755
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.280
can do for you. They help tell the story and

756
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.079
pull you into it.

757
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.920
Yeah, well, then the whole you know, she gets out,

758
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.719
you know, he he he sees the ghost, He tumbles,

759
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:48.199
busts his head open, there's blood everywhere. She regains feelings.

760
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:52.199
She's able to escape, narrowly escapes the bathtub drowning, but

761
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.000
now he's missing, like where's he at in the house

762
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:58.119
And she's got to creep around like it's it's always

763
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.519
you always feel for the like the fine girl in

764
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.440
a horror film when she has to quietly try to

765
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.239
get out because you know you're you're you're screaming, like

766
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.239
just run, make a mad dash for the door. But

767
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.679
the reality is when you're in a scary situation. You're

768
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.199
not gonna no one's gonna do that because you're every little,

769
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.719
every little movement, you're terrified that absolutely that that thing

770
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:20.840
that's out the getch is right there right. Yeah, it

771
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.320
makes perfect sense. I think we need to talk about

772
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:25.519
Zamechas and his filmography.

773
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:28.400
Oh yeah, absolutely, let's do it, all.

774
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.400
Right, So I'll tell you what. Let's let's do a

775
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.840
couple of bullet points. Uh, and then we'll take a

776
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.159
break before we do his filmography. But I do wanna,

777
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:37.880
I don't want to share a couple of things for you, Dave.

778
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:38.679
So.

779
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:43.559
He attended the University of Southern California, the School of Cinema.

780
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:49.760
His classmates were George Lucas and John Malace. No, how

781
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.719
about that. Can you imagine the talent sitting in that room.

782
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.800
It just baffles your mind, doesn't It does?

783
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.719
As I say it, it baffles me. We've never done a

784
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.559
George Lucas episode. We have not.

785
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:03.480
Uh.

786
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.159
We put that, we put that on the list. We

787
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.440
got we gotta do that next season. Certainly there's something

788
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.519
that George has done that we can do that's underrated.

789
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.719
So yeah, we'll get to that. Uh, here's something that

790
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:20.559
surprised me. Robert Zemeckis, his first wife appeared in several

791
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.840
of his films talking about Mary Ellen trainor Wow, and

792
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.760
that was his wife. Yeah, And for those of you

793
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.119
listening that don't recognize that name, she is one of

794
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:35.239
the quintessential moms of the nineteen eighties. This is this

795
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.880
was this was a Mikey's mom from the Goonies. Yeah,

796
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.360
you know, she was the mom and a monster squad. Yeah,

797
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.159
that's right. A lot a lot of us loved her

798
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.639
as the she was what what was she like? The

799
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.559
the therapist, the police therapist that was always trying to

800
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.199
get Rigs to calm down and come talk yep. Yeah,

801
00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.159
wonderful lady. Wonderful lady. One other thing, Dave, I'll tell you, uh,

802
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.159
you know, his movies like we and we kind of

803
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.880
mentioned this earlier, but his you know, although his movies

804
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.119
are typically at the forefront of special effects technology, his

805
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.119
favorite effect is the good old fashioned close up shot

806
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.159
because of its uniqueness, and he uses it several times

807
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:17.320
in this film. He does.

808
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.519
Yeah, every director has something they love to use, and

809
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:21.760
that clearly is his.

810
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.199
You know, I always like to before you get into

811
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:26.760
the filmography. I always like to offer up a quote,

812
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.320
Oh yeah, the director, but you you just you, You

813
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.039
and Scott do such a great job on a film

814
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:35.519
forty five. I taskeed you. I said, hey, man, give

815
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.159
me give me a good Zamechas quote. What do you

816
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:37.880
what do you got for me?

817
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.920
So this has come directly from Roberts and Mechas.

818
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:41.679
He says.

819
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.239
I feel that one of the reasons I enjoy having

820
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:48.079
films that are historical or revisionist history or a period

821
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.239
film is because I think it's one of the things

822
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.320
that cinema can do best. It can do it well

823
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.599
in two areas. One is that you can recreate the

824
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.239
past in a movie and present present it in a

825
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:03.599
fictional way because we know what it looked like. And

826
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.920
the second reason is by having time pass, you can

827
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.480
examine the truth about something that happened in the past

828
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.039
because you've been able to look at it through the

829
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:13.000
prism of time.

830
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:18.280
That is very meaningful. I'm gonna guess that you you

831
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.719
chose that one because I know you're You're the biggest

832
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:21.559
history buff I know.

833
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:23.519
Any huge history buffs.

834
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.159
Of course, very clever of you, mister Burns. I'll tell

835
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.480
you what Let's take one last break and then we'll

836
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:39.719
do Uh. The filmography of Roberts A mechis welcome back.

837
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:48.679
We are talking about Roberts mechis What Lies Beneath? And Uh, Dave, Yeah,

838
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.480
his first film is a you know, he did a

839
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.519
couple of shorts, but his debut. I can understand how

840
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.760
you and Scott might have overlooked this one on a

841
00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.639
film at forty five, the first season when You Guys

842
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.679
Wed in nineteen seventy eight movies. Yep, he does a

843
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.559
movie called I Want to Hold Your Hand and I'm

844
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.559
looking at this, says. In nineteen sixty four, six teenagers

845
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.760
from New Jersey run off to see the Beatles perform

846
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.400
on The Ed Sullivan Show in the hope of meeting

847
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.159
their idols. However, they don't have tickets. Along the way,

848
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:21.199
they learn new things about friendship and growing up. I

849
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.599
don't know. I mean, I like the Beatles, I do

850
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:27.039
you do? But never ever heard of this one? I'll

851
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.559
tell you. I bet I bet our friend def Dave

852
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.559
has heard of this one. You know, he better have

853
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:34.920
heard of it, because he better have as big of it.

854
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.559
He's the host of the Apples and Oranges podcast right

855
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:42.559
where they match up the Beatles against the the Beach Boys.

856
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.119
So we'll have to reach out to Dave and get

857
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.360
his take on. I want to hold your hand because

858
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.159
I can't tell you anything about it, but I can

859
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.199
tell you I want to see it now. Nineteen eighty

860
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.119
he does used Cars, Kurt Russell. What do you think

861
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:56.719
about that one?

862
00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.239
It's been so long since I've seen that one, to

863
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.079
be honest with you, so I can't remember too much

864
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.760
about it. I remember he was a car salesman, right, Yeah,

865
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:07.239
I remember correctly. Yeah, I don't remember too much about it.

866
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.079
I do remember it was enjoyable, but it wasn't something

867
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:11.199
that really stood out to me.

868
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.039
It's one of those like you're at home, you're board,

869
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.079
you're looking for something to watch, and you're like, oh,

870
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.000
used Cars is on. I haven't seen this in ten years,

871
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.599
fifteen years. Yeah, you know. And this is a this

872
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:25.920
is a very young Kurt Russell, obviously sineteen seventy eight.

873
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.519
This is he's right out of the Disney factory. I

874
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.639
might I might have I might have to give that

875
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:36.400
one another another look. See, Yeah, me too. But I'll

876
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.559
tell you what I what I can talk about endlessly

877
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.719
Romancing the Stone in nineteen eighty four. This movie is so,

878
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:45.960
so freaking fantastic.

879
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.599
It is a really good film, one that I've only

880
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.639
seen once or twice. To be honest with you, are

881
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.880
you kidding me? I'm not kidding you once or twice? Yeah,

882
00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.679
I just I do remember as a family watched it.

883
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:02.679
We rented it on video and that was the very

884
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:04.079
first time that I had seen it, and it was

885
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:04.880
very entertaining.

886
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.679
Oh absolutely, It's It's one of those movies where, look,

887
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.239
we had had Raiders at the Lost Ark, we wanted

888
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.800
more of it, and it's okay if we can get

889
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.519
a couple more action film. I know, I know this

890
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:17.000
movie got a lot of heat for trying to be

891
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.000
be a Raiders, you know film, but it works so

892
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.760
well on its own. It's the chemistry between Michael Douglas

893
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:30.159
and and Kathleen Turner. It's well, it was good enough

894
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.679
to do a sequel, right Joel and I so well? Yeah,

895
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.519
I mean, Dad of the Vido though, is so fun

896
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:37.320
as like the bad guy in this.

897
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:40.440
Amazing and everything.

898
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.000
I swear, I love, I love Romancing the Stone. I'll

899
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.159
tell you what, I'll tell you what you need to

900
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:46.880
do because you said you've only seen it once or twice.

901
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.159
I'll remind you that it is celebrating its fortieth anniversary

902
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.360
this year. It is, yeah, forty years old. Let's not

903
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:01.800
forget our our buddy Dayton Johnson covered this on docum

904
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:02.559
Base seventy seven.

905
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.119
Oh yeah, that's right, and he.

906
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.559
Invited a couple gals that we have worked with before,

907
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.760
U Testa Nicole from the Doom Generation. That was a

908
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:14.719
fun episode that the three of them did on Romancing

909
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.239
the Stone. So listen, Dave, check it out. Listeners, check

910
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.800
it out, because anything I could say about Romancing the Stone,

911
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.800
those three individuals are going to say it better. Yeah.

912
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.440
From there, Dave, he the hit the hit machine is

913
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:34.440
in full effect though. Nineteen eighty five, we know this. Yeah,

914
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:40.079
Back to the Future a man again. What can we

915
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:41.400
say that hasn't been said already?

916
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.239
Great trilogy, great trilogy. We know he did one, part one,

917
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:45.119
part two, part three.

918
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.679
Yeah, part one, Yeah, he did the whole trilogy. Yeah,

919
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.360
I remember though, think about this though, Remember remember when

920
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:52.800
you went to the theater and you saw Back to

921
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.119
the Future Part two and then you immediately freaked out

922
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:59.400
because it it went right into like, oh, get ready

923
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.960
for part three. Yep, and we had to wait. I

924
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:03.960
think it was what six months it was released.

925
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:06.960
Yeah, it was a very rare occasion that happened too.

926
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.639
I think was that the first time that's happened.

927
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.199
I know, I know, that was the first time I

928
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.880
had ever seen, uh to be continued type of situation

929
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.920
happening because the first yeah, in the theater, because the

930
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.400
first movie lends itself to like, oh, that'd be cool

931
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.639
if they ever did a second one, but there was

932
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.320
no guarantee, right, you know, but the second one at

933
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.920
the end it says to be concluded, right, So and

934
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:33.679
then they even got you know, they kind of did

935
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:36.159
the horizon thing that Kevin Costner did this year where

936
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.360
you got a couple couple of shots scenes from Back

937
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.639
to the Future three. So yep, yeah, pretty incredible. Uh

938
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.119
you actually we met one of the cast members. We

939
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:49.679
sure did. I mean earlier, earlier this year.

940
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:51.880
I mean I was in a movie with one of

941
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.320
the actors from Back in the Future.

942
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.679
Yeah, pardon, pardon the big star here.

943
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.079
We we met Tom Wilson at Motor City Comic Con this year,

944
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.239
and the dude was so freaking funny, Jeff, as you

945
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:13.039
know that guy can turn it on and off like

946
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.760
it's nothing. And oh, he's definitely a performer. There's no

947
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:17.320
doubt about that.

948
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:23.320
Yes, you said it, no good, you said it perfectly. There.

949
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:24.880
He can turn it on, he can turn it off

950
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:27.480
because he definitely was working the crowd. He was had

951
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.719
a lot of energy. He was turning it on. I

952
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.840
know you had a great experience with with with him,

953
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:34.480
and I want to hear about it. I want the

954
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.280
listeners to hear about it. Well, it comes to turning

955
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.039
it when he when he turned it off. I definitely

956
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:42.360
feel like he turned it off when I when I

957
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.840
was talking to him, because he he apparently was not

958
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:51.280
happy with me bringing up let's get Harry or several

959
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.719
other things about his career. He just looked like he

960
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.360
was going, yeah, he wanted nothing to do with me.

961
00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.559
But but you, on the other hand, you had a

962
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.280
great experien's at least I did. Yeah, tell us you

963
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:02.559
know so.

964
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.400
Like I said, I was in Andersonville with him where

965
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.199
we shot a movie for three months back in nineteen

966
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:11.360
ninety four, and I wanted him. We got a book

967
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.400
that we got because the cast and crew received and

968
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:18.480
I wanted him to sign it. Obviously, so when I

969
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:20.280
went up, you know, to pay for his autographs, they

970
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:21.800
basically told me to go ahead and get the item

971
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:22.519
out of my bag.

972
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:23.880
I pulled it out.

973
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.480
As soon as I pulled it out and started walking

974
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.639
through towards Tom Wilson, he saw it, and Jeff, you.

975
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:29.400
Saw his reaction.

976
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.320
He was lit up when he saw what I had

977
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.280
for him to sign, because I mean, come on, let's

978
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.280
be honest here. He probably that's all he signed is

979
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:38.960
back to the Future, Back to the Future, back to

980
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.519
the future, everything, and for him to get to sign

981
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.840
something that's not Back to the Future, and you can

982
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:46.519
clear least tell he had a good experience with that

983
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.280
movie because he lit up about it. And then I

984
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.960
had a photo album full of photos that I had

985
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:54.599
taken behind the scenes as we were making that movie,

986
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:56.280
and you know, we went through the pages and stuff

987
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.719
like that. He was pointing out people he remembered, and

988
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.440
we talked a little bit back and forth right then

989
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.320
and there and really complimented me on a great collection

990
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:06.199
of photos that I had. So it was a wonderful experience.

991
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.519
The guy was so genuine, so nice and just you know,

992
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:09.199
so funny.

993
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.960
He absolutely was that for you. I'm happy. It was

994
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.840
great for me to watch you have that experience because

995
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.639
you were, like you said, he all he gets to

996
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:21.719
talk about is Back to the Future. Yeah, you were

997
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:26.480
discussing Andersonville gave him an opportunity to talk about another

998
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.559
another one of his projects. Like I said, I tried

999
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.679
his His whole table was just covered in Back to

1000
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:35.559
the Future. Yeah, I was, and I jokingly was like, hey, man,

1001
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.840
where's all the let's get Harry stuff. Let's talk, let's

1002
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.760
talk action. He just he gave me that uh what

1003
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:48.119
are you looking at butt head kind of look. Yeah,

1004
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:53.239
it was moving right along. Uh. Nineteen eighty six, Robert

1005
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:58.559
Zemeckis is doing a couple of the Amazing Stories YEP episodes.

1006
00:52:58.639 --> 00:52:59.559
I love that series.

1007
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.599
You to a lot of famous directors came through that

1008
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:03.280
Amazing Story.

1009
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.440
Is that available? But I feel like that would be

1010
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.719
like on two B or Pluto.

1011
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.320
Don't it's streaming anywhere to be once you I owned

1012
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.480
the box set which come on DVD years and years ago,

1013
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:16.639
I don't not even streaming anywhere. To be honest with you,

1014
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:17.440
I well.

1015
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:19.239
You know, I'll just I'll just come over bar years

1016
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:24.679
and never give it back. Moving on, Moving on, nineteen

1017
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.920
eighty eight, Who Framed Roger Robert another little film you

1018
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.800
might not have heard of, just kidding. The idea it's

1019
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.079
still to this day. I mean, this movie's been out

1020
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.599
for decades. And the idea that someone said, hey, what

1021
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:41.079
if we took all the Disney characters and all the

1022
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:44.280
Looney Tunes characters and put them together in a movie

1023
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:50.960
with live action reactors blows my mind again. Robert Zemeckis

1024
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:52.480
is the guy you call when you want to do

1025
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.320
something that hasn't been done before. Yeah, you know, it's

1026
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:59.559
like yeah, yeah, It's like it's like, hey, uh, George Lucas,

1027
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.880
Jim Cameron, Robert Zamkas. Yep, that's that's the that's the

1028
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.559
three of the Mount Rushmore when it comes to, let's

1029
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.840
make a movie where something has never happened before, and

1030
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.639
we'll we'll just create the technology, right right, Yep. This

1031
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.239
is one of those other This is again, this is

1032
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.039
another situation where you know, I gotta plugs I gotta

1033
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.679
plug Dayton Johnson and the docum maay seventy seven podcasts

1034
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.880
because he did a great episode on Who Framed Roger

1035
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.159
Rabbit and he happened to do it with our friends

1036
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.360
Jason and Dee the Shirley you Can't Be Serious podcasts,

1037
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.639
So you know again you want to you want to

1038
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:37.079
hear some great stuff about these movies. Uh, check out

1039
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.760
our friends both both the Shirley you Can't Be Serious

1040
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.719
podcast and the Docum Bay seventy seven podcast. Absolutely. Uh

1041
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.360
you know. Back to Future two comes out in eighty nine.

1042
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:50.079
Back to Future Part three comes out in ninety ninety two.

1043
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.639
He does a film that I absolutely love it is

1044
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:59.079
so it's critically underrated. Hm, it's hilarious and I'm talking

1045
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:03.599
about Death Becomes Yeah, Bruce Willis, isn't it Bruce Willis? Yeah?

1046
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.519
I think they absolutely Goldie Haunt and Meryl Street Cure

1047
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:08.320
in that one as well.

1048
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:12.960
Yeah, them is like fading actresses. Yeah, you know, learning

1049
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.920
how to be immortal and but not being able to

1050
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.039
put their their rivalry behind them. And man does this

1051
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.400
movie go off the rails in such a fun way,

1052
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:26.360
a fun way. Yep, that's one of It's one of

1053
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.559
my favorite Bruce Willis movies too. Honestly, that says a lot. Yeah,

1054
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:33.559
he's just he's hilarious. He's so fun in this movie.

1055
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.679
I love it, you know, And I always remember like

1056
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.719
I remember at the end of the movie when they

1057
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:42.519
go to his his funeral, he you know, he has

1058
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:46.000
dieded like you know, of extreme old age, but he's

1059
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.559
lived this amazing life after he got away from him. Yep,

1060
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:54.400
and the reverence like you know, as he once said,

1061
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.280
life begins at fifty. And you know, as I as

1062
00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.639
I get closer to fifty, I'm starting to wonder, like, Okay, yeah,

1063
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.880
let's let's live that. Bruce willis life. That's gonna go

1064
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:08.480
with this nineteen ninety four again, Let's he's breaking new

1065
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.840
ground because he's bringing all kinds of celebrities back to life,

1066
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.480
put them on the big screen in Forrest Gump.

1067
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.760
Using all the old footage that he does in that movie.

1068
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.719
You're right, he's breaking all new ground again by putting

1069
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:27.639
Tom Hanks Forrest Gump into those scenes Forrest Gump.

1070
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.400
You know, say what you will about it now, But

1071
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:35.159
in nineteen ninety four, it was it was mind blowing

1072
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:40.519
because of the special effects. The soundtrack was everywhere. You

1073
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.639
could turn the radio on and not hear something from

1074
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:49.440
the two disc CD soundtrackep and it had it gave

1075
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:51.800
us all this great stuff in the fifties the sixties,

1076
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:57.679
the seventies, eighties. I mean it's like the Mega soundtrack, right, Yeah, yeah, fantastic.

1077
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:00.800
And Tom Hanks gives us the performance.

1078
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:03.719
If it's not a lifetime to be honest, of a lifetime.

1079
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.719
Yeah, I mean when he's reading the letter h the

1080
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:11.440
jinny at her grave, there's not a dry eye on

1081
00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:14.519
the audience. No, there's not. You watch that movie now

1082
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:15.960
and you still get a little choked up.

1083
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:17.519
Oh, he does that when he tries to get through

1084
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:19.760
that beautiful score too by mister Sovestry.

1085
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:25.400
Oh man, I'm memorable score by Alan Silvestri. Yep. Absolutely

1086
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.039
love that. I tell you another one and you know,

1087
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.000
back to like another. I'm gonna say this a little underrated.

1088
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:33.239
But a couple of years later, in nineteen ninety seven,

1089
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:39.079
he does a sci fi film called Contact. Yep, Jodi Foster,

1090
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:44.280
Matthew McConaughey, Man, this movie. This is another one. Like

1091
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:47.199
I'll tell you right now, if we do another Robert

1092
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.760
Zecca's movie, or I should say, when we do an

1093
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.880
when we do, it's probably gonna be Contact. Yeah. I

1094
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.199
adore this film. Absolutely love this one. YEP. If listeners,

1095
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.480
if you haven't seen this one and check it out.

1096
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.559
Jennie Foster plays a doctor who, after years of searching,

1097
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.400
she finds she basically finds proof. She finds evidence of

1098
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:14.039
extradustrial intelligence. And then they start sending plans. It's almost

1099
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.960
like they're like doing this long distance pin pal thing

1100
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:22.920
to like build a machine that can connect us, we

1101
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:29.400
can bring us together. It is absolutely fantastic. Love that one.

1102
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:31.639
So another one that I love. Of course, we know

1103
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.400
we're talking about what lies beneath, which was after contact

1104
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:39.960
passed away. Jeff, I love this film so much. If

1105
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:41.119
I want to say that you and I saw this

1106
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:42.119
in the theater together.

1107
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:44.360
We saw this one in the theater. I remember this one.

1108
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.079
I never could imagine having a movie that made me

1109
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.760
feel so emotional about a damn volleyball.

1110
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:57.320
This is the magic of Robert Zemeckis, because he does

1111
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:04.320
have us very upset over a volleyball, a Wilson brand volleyball.

1112
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:08.840
Right seriously here, Oh your heart.

1113
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:11.760
Is broken into a million pieces. Yep. The moment that

1114
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:14.920
ball floats away and Tom Hanks is just laying there

1115
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:18.400
on that makeshift raft apologizing.

1116
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.840
I'm sorry, Willson, sorry, Oh my god, your heart breaks like.

1117
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:27.000
It's a volleyball. But still it was his best friend. Man.

1118
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:32.199
I gotta tell you, you can't talk about Castaway without

1119
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:36.440
talking about, you know, the character that drives Tom Hanks

1120
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.039
the whole time he's on the island. I'm talking about

1121
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:43.159
Helen Hunt's character. I have I have thoughts, do you.

1122
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:48.639
I don't know that she's entirely innocent. No, she's not.

1123
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:50.559
Oh okay, so you're with me.

1124
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:52.440
I'm I'm with you on this. Yes, I know where

1125
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:53.280
you're going with I.

1126
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.719
Kind of I kind of feel like maybe she was

1127
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.840
a little unfaithful, yeah, till told Chuck Nolan. Yep, and uh,

1128
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:02.960
I think she had something going on with the dentist before.

1129
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:05.519
I have that feeling too, Yeah, because I mean he's

1130
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:06.559
so wrapped up with his job.

1131
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.719
Yeah, a little a little too convenient for for her

1132
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:13.840
to just move on so so quickly, right, Yep. I agree.

1133
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:17.159
It's a situation where and this isn't like years later,

1134
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.360
I'm like, oh wait a minute, I remember seeing this

1135
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:21.480
and we might even talked about it that, you know,

1136
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.559
when we saw in the theater. Like, it's a situation

1137
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:26.800
where I'm like, I don't know if I trust her,

1138
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.440
you know, right? And I was, I was, I remember

1139
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.360
being happy that they didn't end up together.

1140
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:33.440
Oh yeah, me too.

1141
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.119
I love the fact that he his his world is

1142
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.159
like wide open. At the end of the movie, he's

1143
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.519
got that great that great monologue about you know, he's

1144
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.760
just the sun will come up, you know, you know,

1145
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.760
I will got to keep moving, gotta keep breathing.

1146
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.679
And the whole symbolism again that Zamechis does so well

1147
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.519
reaking the cross Roads of life.

1148
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.880
Mm hm oh at the end of that film. Yeah,

1149
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:01.920
it's just it's amazing that is it? Could that be

1150
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:04.119
as a mechus like his best work.

1151
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:09.039
I think between between that and Forrest Gump, they're they're

1152
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:11.480
pretty close for me, in my opinion, to be his

1153
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.880
best work, which is saying a lot looking at this, Yes,

1154
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.719
I mean he's look at his filmography.

1155
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:20.440
It is his very impressive philmography. I might, I might

1156
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.119
go on the line right now and just say, yeah,

1157
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:23.639
I think Castaway is his best work.

1158
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.039
All right, all right, don't hold me to that. But

1159
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.440
it's it's it's not a bad choice, Jeff, it's not.

1160
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.400
Now And I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna use

1161
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.000
the phrase bad choice, but questionable choices. He goes on

1162
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:39.199
a little bit of a CGI tear here after Castaway,

1163
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:42.159
he was getting tiring. Okay, okay, I'm glad you said,

1164
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:43.719
because I didn't want I didn't want upset you. But

1165
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:47.079
you're not all right. Two thousand and four, we get

1166
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.880
the Polar Express. Two thousand and seven, we get BeO Wolf.

1167
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:52.360
Two thousand and nine, we get a Christmas Carol. Yep.

1168
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:56.880
Here's the thing. It's stories we've all known, we all

1169
01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:01.639
grew up with. Yep, it's this new cutting edge CGI

1170
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.159
that just to me feels kind of creepy, like they

1171
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.760
they they're onto something here, but it's not perfected. So

1172
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.440
like the eyes, everyone's eyes are kind of dead. Yeah,

1173
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.440
and they look it almost looks like corpses, like if

1174
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:22.239
you're making their mouths move in a way. I get it.

1175
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:23.840
I get it. In two thousand and four, you know,

1176
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.760
twenty years ago, it was like, wow, look at this,

1177
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.880
we can do computer animation that looks just like Tom Hanks. Yeah,

1178
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:35.039
but it just it didn't work for me. Man, I'm

1179
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:35.639
with you on that.

1180
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:39.039
I'm hoping he's out of that stage now no more.

1181
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:41.599
Well, I hope so too. And you know, Polar Express,

1182
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.159
like all right, hot take I don't get it. I

1183
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:48.840
don't get the magic of it. Yeah, it's one of

1184
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.239
those it's one of the Christmas stories I've just never

1185
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.960
really been big on. I don't care about it. Yeah,

1186
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.159
it's super popular, though. I know I'm not saying, you know,

1187
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.079
it's just not for me, that's all, you know, it's

1188
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:05.800
I don't I don't deny that it's what it did

1189
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:11.440
for cinema. But you know, Beowulf, Yeah, yeah, I think

1190
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.199
I think I enjoyed reading it in Missus Hatcher's ninth

1191
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.280
grade in English class more than watching this movie. Yeah,

1192
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:20.239
I would agree. And in two thousand and nine, when

1193
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:23.920
you got Jim Carrey doing the Christmas Carol in this

1194
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:28.280
CGI animation, this was the moment. This was the kind

1195
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.639
of the time frame. I was really sick of Jim Carrey.

1196
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:33.760
Oh yeah, me too. I'd had enough, yep, like take

1197
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:36.360
take some time off or do something different. And he did,

1198
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.480
you know, he went off and did like a you know,

1199
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:41.320
he did his serious dramatic acting for a little while.

1200
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.719
So I was happy about that. But I'll tell you

1201
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.599
what I was also really happy about. Zamechas comes back

1202
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:51.119
in a huge way in twenty twelve. He calls up

1203
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:54.119
Denzel and he gives us the movie Flight. Oh Yeah.

1204
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.239
To this day, when I think of the scariest plane

1205
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.840
crash scenes ever filmed in a movie, I don't know

1206
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:07.320
if it's Flight or if it's Castaway, because they're both

1207
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:12.199
absolutely terrifying. They both are, yes, And what Denzel is

1208
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:14.960
doing in this movie is just on a whole other

1209
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:18.559
level because he's he's a very damaged individual. He's a

1210
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:23.760
flawed character. We should not be rooting for him the

1211
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.920
way we are. But I can't help you know, you

1212
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:31.440
can't help it. You know, I don't know. I just

1213
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:37.039
talk about a high functioning alcoholic drug addict. Yep, does

1214
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:39.440
you know he did? He's he was in the wrong,

1215
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:43.199
but he did the right thing. Kelly Riley playing a

1216
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:49.199
very emotional role. This is this is way before Yellowstone.

1217
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:51.800
So everyone that's like, where's Kelly, where's Kelly Riley? Been?

1218
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:52.559
Well?

1219
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:56.039
Shit, go watch Flight. She's she's amazing in it, you know. Yep.

1220
01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:02.960
John Goodman's character, Harlan Mays, that hippie drug dealer character

1221
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:08.280
he does, Oh man, he's so good. He is so good. Yeah,

1222
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:12.599
I Flight, oh Man. I went all in on Castaways,

1223
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.920
saying that's his best best work. And now I'm talking

1224
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:15.800
about Flight, and I'm.

1225
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:17.599
Like, that's what I'm saying. It's hard to pick because

1226
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:19.840
he has so many good films.

1227
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:21.920
I will go on the record right now and say

1228
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:28.159
that his best work involved a very traumatic plane crash. Okay,

1229
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:32.519
to go, and that covered for Flight or casting? I can,

1230
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.960
I can, I can flip back and forth. Now, yeah, Dave,

1231
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:38.440
I'm gonna I'm gonna admit something here and I'm a

1232
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.880
little a little embarrassed. But I've got some homework to

1233
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:46.599
do because after Flight, I have not seen any of

1234
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:48.079
his filmography.

1235
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:53.000
So I've not seen The Walk and I've not seen Allied.

1236
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:57.840
Okay, well, let's well The Walk twenty fifteen Joseph Gordon Lovett.

1237
01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:02.199
He plays this tightrope walker that correct walks between the

1238
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:06.079
World Trade Center towers. Yeah right, yep. I watched the

1239
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:11.239
trailer a couple hours ago and my palms were sweating. Yeah.

1240
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.119
I couldn't imagine like the trailer was like, see it

1241
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:17.039
in Imax three D. There's no way I could watch

1242
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:19.960
a film like that on an Imax screen in three

1243
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:23.920
D where the guys trying to walk a tightrope between

1244
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.559
the World trade center buildings. Yeah, but I do want

1245
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:30.800
to see it. The trailer looked amazing, you know, so

1246
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:34.039
I'm putting that on the list. This movie Allied in

1247
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.280
twenty sixteen, I mean, Brad Pitt going up against the

1248
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:44.639
Nazis already I'm in I don't was this. I have

1249
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:47.360
to okay, I have to believe that this came out

1250
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:50.559
up against some kind of juggernaut movie that just wiped

1251
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:52.199
it out at the box office and we don't even

1252
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:55.280
remember it, or we don't you know, because it's got

1253
01:06:55.320 --> 01:07:00.400
you know, Brad Pitt, Marin Qatar, Jared Harris, yeah, eyes,

1254
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:02.960
you know. Listen, listen to this. Dave nineteen forty two,

1255
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:07.320
a Canadian intelligence officer in North Africa, encounters a female

1256
01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:10.679
French resistance fighter on a deadly mission behind enemy lines.

1257
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.360
When they reunite in London, the relationship is tested by

1258
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.440
the pressures of war. This is what Hanover Street should

1259
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:17.719
have been.

1260
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:21.119
Yeah, right, absolutely, it should have.

1261
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:26.559
Man, it looks great. I'm putting it on the list.

1262
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:30.880
Yeah I am. Listeners, listeners, let us know, like, you know,

1263
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:37.360
the Walk Allied, how are they twenty eighteen, We're going

1264
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:42.639
back to the the weird stuff. The visual effects. Yep,

1265
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:49.400
who's it Steve Carroll. Steve, Yeah, he does. Does this

1266
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.960
movie called Welcome to Marwin. I remember seeing the trailer

1267
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.159
for it, but I never watched it.

1268
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.119
I honestly just like this. I thought this was going

1269
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.159
to be another Forest Gump. And I'm not talking for

1270
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:02.480
another Force Gum. I'm talking like, you know, you're just

1271
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:04.639
gonna you're getting that vibe. It's gonna be very powerful,

1272
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:09.639
very dramatic. Yeah, you're gonna get another character in that style.

1273
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:15.159
But man, this movie phil flat for me. Uh. I

1274
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:16.479
saw this in the theater.

1275
01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:19.319
Okay, because isn't this where he like he's creating like

1276
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:22.279
a he's dealing with like his trauma he.

1277
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:25.359
Gets He gets beat up by a group of really

1278
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:28.520
bad gets attacked, and the only way that he can

1279
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.439
find a way out of, you know, coming back from

1280
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:36.439
that mentally, he like takes pictures of like figures and

1281
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:39.760
like action figures and stuff war war like figure army

1282
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:41.399
figures or whatever you want to call them, and build

1283
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.920
like a little village with them, and and and creates

1284
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.960
a story and stuff like that with him and takes

1285
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:49.800
pictures and stuff like that, and like it it fades

1286
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:52.039
in and out of like, you know, actually showing like

1287
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:55.640
they become the life and those kind of things. But

1288
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:56.520
it just doesn't.

1289
01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:59.439
It didn't work for me at all. And yeah, all right,

1290
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:02.399
so you're saying skip it. Yeah, I think a lot

1291
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.399
of people. I think a lot of people did skip it.

1292
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:07.479
It didn't at all. Right, Well, you know, two years

1293
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:11.520
later he does a remake of The Witches. I guess

1294
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:12.800
a lot of people skip that because.

1295
01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:14.039
It's I didn't see that either.

1296
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.680
It's a it's got a rating IMDb rating of five

1297
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:22.399
point four. That's that's not great. No, it's not. Did

1298
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.560
you did you see his? Uh? Look, you know how

1299
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:29.399
I feel about these Disney Live action remakes. I'm not

1300
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.079
I'm not a fan of them. But twenty twenty two,

1301
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:36.239
he did Pinocchio with Tom Hanks. I did see it. Okay,

1302
01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:41.039
not a fan, Not a fan. Okay, No, not even

1303
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:43.159
Tom Hanks can save it. No.

1304
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.359
No, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there

1305
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:47.840
who do love it and like it. You know, Hey,

1306
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.399
good for you, and you know that's fine. Everybody has

1307
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:53.560
their opinion. I did not like it. I hated the

1308
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.880
ending of it. Jeff, And I don't want to ruin

1309
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:01.079
anybody because it's a fairly newer film, so go watch it,

1310
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:04.680
and they're the the ending. I just was not happy

1311
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:07.680
with it at all, So please listeners, go watch it

1312
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:09.720
and let us know about it. If you think that

1313
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:12.239
I'm wrong, well right, I don't know, but I was not.

1314
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:14.680
A fan chef. Well it sounds like a lot of

1315
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:17.680
people were in a fan because if you thought the

1316
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.439
his his uh the IMDb, the i MDB rating five

1317
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.680
point four for The Witches was bad. Pinocchio was rated

1318
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:25.359
five point one.

1319
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.000
So you're going the wrong ways, a mechas, come on.

1320
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:32.479
We're going the wrong way. But I think he's about

1321
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.720
to turn it around, because I do want to talk

1322
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:41.920
about his his upcoming film, which is it's out. We're

1323
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:45.199
a couple weeks away from it. Actually we talked about it.

1324
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.720
You know, we're at the beginning of this episode. You

1325
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.920
just watched the trailer for the first time. YEP, this

1326
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:54.640
film called here. He's back with Tom Hanks. He's back

1327
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:58.399
with Alan Silvestri. Uh, think about that. He's been doing work.

1328
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.880
He's been working with Alan Silvestri for forty years now.

1329
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:02.439
That's insane.

1330
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:06.039
Man romancing the stone all the way to hear and

1331
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.760
this film. Man like like we kind of talked about it.

1332
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:14.319
It's like you know, like a it's like one setting. Yeah,

1333
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:16.680
and we're gonna watch this all you know it And

1334
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:19.760
again this is where like that deep fake technology is

1335
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.800
now caught up where now it looks really like the

1336
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:25.760
Tom Hanks, like the young Tom Hanks that we see

1337
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:28.960
in this trailer. Yeah, is like the Bosom Buddies Tom Hanks.

1338
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.560
You know, he's like the uncle Ned from Family Ties

1339
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.319
Tom Hanks. Like it's it looks real. So I can't

1340
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:38.600
wait to see it. I am so excited. We will

1341
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:40.279
definitely go see that in a couple weeks when it

1342
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.439
comes out. Yep. I'm also excited about what he's got

1343
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.840
in development. Though. Have you have you have you heard

1344
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:48.319
about the King? No? I don't know anything about the

1345
01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:53.880
King all right. So one thing that Zamecha's has really

1346
01:11:53.920 --> 01:12:01.239
never done for us is a biography, right, Yeah, he's

1347
01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:04.479
not known for the biopics, and that is what the

1348
01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:08.720
King is. He's he's working with the Rock Dwayne Johnson.

1349
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:16.960
It's all about King Kamahamaha, who fulfills his lifelong prophecy

1350
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:23.920
of uniting the Hawaiian Islands. And it's written projects being

1351
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:29.399
written by Randall Wallace, Oh most notably gave us Brave Heart, right. Yeah, absolutely,

1352
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:32.119
And this is a passion project for the Rock because

1353
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:35.800
he has said this is the dream project he had

1354
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:40.560
on his had set his sights on since the beginning

1355
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:42.640
of his Hollywood career back in two thousand and one.

1356
01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.439
So I'm excited to see what this is going to be,

1357
01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.560
what we're going to hopefully, hopefully they get that put

1358
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:52.680
together here pretty quick. Yeah. I do have to ask, though, Yeah,

1359
01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:56.000
because you know, we got a great movie coming out

1360
01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:59.039
next month, we got something cool in development. But if

1361
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:01.039
you could pitch something to U sa Mecca's what would

1362
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:02.560
you want to see him do next?

1363
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:05.560
So listeners, don't shoot me when I say this, but

1364
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:10.439
I want to go back back to the future, not

1365
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:14.279
a remake, but a fourth film. We catch up with

1366
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:17.920
Marty still played by Michael J. Fox and write in

1367
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.920
that he is suffering from Parkinson's and is living out

1368
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:24.399
his best life with his family. He married Jennifer and

1369
01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:26.640
they have a beautiful family and things are going as

1370
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.800
good as they can. That is until a mysterious individual

1371
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:34.399
arrives late one night and starts the chaos all over again.

1372
01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:38.239
It is his great granddaughter from thirty years in the

1373
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:42.520
future coming back to get something without his knowledge. This

1374
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:47.479
mcguffin is somehow related to doc that Marty has kept

1375
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:50.439
hidden from everyone that is left over from their adventures

1376
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.560
when he was young. Something is desperately needed by his

1377
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:57.600
great granddaughter because something terrible has happened in her time.

1378
01:13:58.359 --> 01:13:59.159
That's my pitch.

1379
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:08.000
That pitch was very well constructed. It was detailed. It

1380
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:15.199
it offered plot specific points, and in my mind, the

1381
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:21.960
only word I can come up with is sacrilege. If

1382
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.239
I was John Lithgow and footloose, I would be raining

1383
01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:29.199
down on you right now with lastphem me. Then we

1384
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.960
don't talk of that. Really another Back to the Future movie?

1385
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:33.520
You'd want that?

1386
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:36.199
Yeah, I'm not remaking anything.

1387
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:38.560
It got. It got destroyed in the Old West, So

1388
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:41.119
you can't. You can't go back in time. You don't

1389
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:43.520
know that. I I don't know about that. That's that

1390
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.079
is that that take is so hot. I can't. I

1391
01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:51.640
can't touch it with with gloves. I'll get burned. Fair enough,

1392
01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:56.479
Dave back to what lies beneath? You own it? I

1393
01:14:56.520 --> 01:15:00.199
do I own it? Obviously your recommendation is to check

1394
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:00.680
this one out.

1395
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.479
Of course, that is, if you've got time, October is

1396
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:07.720
almost over with, you definitely want to experience a scary movie.

1397
01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:09.479
This is definitely one you want to check out. It's

1398
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.479
you love Hitchcock. You this is right up your ally,

1399
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:15.840
trust me on that you heard us talk about it.

1400
01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:18.119
I mean, if you've not seen this film and you've

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made it to this point and we've already ruined it

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for you, but hey, it's still worth the worth of

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shot to go look at it.

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Highly recommend a check it is currently streaming. If you

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don't have a copy of it, it is currently streaming.

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So I'd definitely say you got to check this one out.

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If you're looking for a great Harrison Ford film, you

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want a great Michelle Pfeiffer horror film, like Dave said,

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if you're in the mood for Hitchcock, if you're looking

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for a great date movie, I feel like this film

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delivers all that and more. Yeah, well, listeners, what do

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you think of what lies beneath? You can let us

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with your questions, comments and concerns. We may just read

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your response on the show and send you some a

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Film By swag. Join us tomorrow for our Star Trek

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theme series, Phasers Set the Stunt. On Friday, our limited

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series of Film at forty five will celebrate the forty

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fifth anniversary of one of the all time great horror films.

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Boy, that's right, Yes, we're talking about Fantasti.

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Oh. I'm so excited to hear you guys cover that one. Yep, Man,

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that's gonna be a good one. Yes, it is, Dave.

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It's always a pleasure, sir, It's always fun. Man. Thank you,

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and to all of you out there joining us every week, listening, subscribing,

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and following us on Patreon, we thank you.