Nov. 30, 2025

Stanley Kubrick - Eyes Wide Shut

Stanley Kubrick - Eyes Wide Shut
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Season 6A Film By...

We're kicking off the holiday season with Stanley Kubrick's final film, which also happens to be one of his strangest, and most divisive works. Brad Koszo makes a welcome return to the show to dive into the secrets, dangers, and erotic thrills of Eyes Wide Shut!

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Let me take you back to December eighth, twenty twenty.

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We were finishing up our very first season with our

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Richard Donner Scrooged episode, which opened with a conversation about

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our top five non traditional Christmas movies. What about the

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non traditional Christmas movies? You have? You started any of those?

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Okay, so what do you constitute as non traditional Christmas movies?

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There's certain movies that you want to watch a Christmas

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time because they have a Christmas background, but they're not necessarily.

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About Christmas, if that makes sense.

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You know, a movie set against a Christmas backdrop, but

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but not your typical holiday movie.

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Right that it makes sense?

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Do you have like a what would your top five be?

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If you had that?

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My top five would in no real particular order. I

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would say one that kind of gets overlooked and could

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go for two different holidays is the original Black Christmas,

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the original horror film. I think it's been remade like

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two times, but the original Black Christmas definitely works. Another

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one that works I think really well is Batman Returns.

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Is it a Christmas movie? No, but like you said,

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it takes place pretty much all during Christmas. You know

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that Tim Burton loves Christmas. Obviously. There's a film that

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is very underrated called Mixed Nuts. It's a film with

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Steve Martin, Maddeline con Parker, Posey Rita Wilson, Adam Sandler.

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This film in and a huge fantastic performance by leave Shreverer.

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If you ever get a chance you see Mixed Nuts,

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get check it out. Number two and I really looked

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into it before I picked number two. Eyes Wide Shut.

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The film does take place. Yes, the film, Eyes Wide

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Shut takes place during Christmas weekend. It only takes place

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during two nights, and it is Christmas time during that time.

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Well, I mean, if anything says Christmas to me, it's

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weird kinky sex parties with people in masks. So yeah, sure,

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what else?

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She gets the very so and number one and you

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think you might know it? But die Hard two? I

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like die Hard too. I think it's a fun movie.

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It's a fun Christmas movie.

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Listeners, we've covered Black Christmas, Batman Returns, and Mixed Nuts.

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Tonight we'll talk about a film by Stanley Kubrick, his

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nineteen ninety nine underrated psychological erotic thriller Eyes Wide Shut. Hello, everybody,

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I'm Jeff.

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Johnson and I'm Brad Kozo.

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The Ghost of Christmas Past. Brad Kozo, about three years

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ago you went out for a pack of cigarettes and

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you didn't come back. But you're back now.

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Yeah, daddy duty has gone to where at least can

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be part time now.

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It is fantastic to have you back. Can we can

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we go ahead and say that? Can we just can we?

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Oh?

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Yeah, you're not going Yeah, Brad Cozo back in the studio.

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You can only imagine what we've got lined up for

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next season. But before you know, we don't want to

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put the sleigh before the reindeer. Brad, it's Christmas time.

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I can't believe that. You know, season one your top

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five movies for a non traditional Christmas movie, and all

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these years later, we've we've practically covered every one of them. Uh,

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the only one left is going to be die Hard Too.

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After this episode.

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That's good. I I thought you did one of die

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Hard too, But yeah, that actually sounds good.

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No, we you know, I guess we got to say.

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We will say it for you, you know, when you're

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ready for I.

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Definitely wanted to be a part of Diehard too.

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Let's talk about Stanley Kubrick. Brad, this is our second

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Stanley Kubrick episode. You and I did the killing, That's right.

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I want to say that that was a second season

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way back then. Yeah, it was early on, very early on.

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I I you you recommended that one. I'd never seen it,

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and obviously, you know, listeners go back check out that episode. Uh.

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I absolutely love the film. It's fantastic movie. But uh,

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let's talk. We didn't we didn't do this back then, Brad,

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but you know, the formats kind of changed over the years.

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So how about let me hit you up with three

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facts about Stanley Kubrick and a quote.

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Okay, Uh, what I can tell you is that, unfortunately,

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as most people know, that Sanley Krubrick died four days

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after delivering his final cut of this film to Warner Brothers.

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Now Sydney Pollack did a little bit of the final touches,

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but that was the cut that he got to deliver.

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So one of the other facts is that it is

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based on a novella, Trum Novelle by Arthur Schnitzler. Actually,

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Kubrick optioned to do this about twenty eight years before I,

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before it actually was even made. It just took him

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that long, and that many projects and projects set aside

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to actually get to it. And I'm sure everyone remembers,

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I know I do. The once this movie was announced,

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who was directing it, what it was going to be about,

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the rumors that were circulating. I mean, and this is

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pre chat you know, rooms and stuff, so you know,

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but the rumors about this film of things things I

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tell you what, things that were told that was going

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to happen and never happened. Bill having sex with the

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Mandy Corpse kid men and Cruise in the orgy sequence,

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Cruz and lely Sobieski having sex in a gay love

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scene with Cruse and another man. All of those rumors

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were proven like not true. So I mean it's the

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movie was not as shocking I think as they promoted it.

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I uh, our listeners are gonna be like Children of

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Divorce getting to getting double Christmas. I was about to

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give you three facts. I didn't realize that you had.

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Oh you paused. You paused, So I was like, I

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guess that's me.

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Hey, you just you just shot three Stanley Kubrick facts

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out off the off your hip. You know that's that's awesome, dude, Like,

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uh but uh yeah, Okay, I'll give you. I'll give

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you three now.

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Oh okay, I'm eager to get back into this, you know.

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Yeah, let's say you know, you know you got you

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gotta get back in the saddle man. That was awesome.

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I thought someone muted my mic. I was like, hey,

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all right, three more facts, as it were. And I

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dig the fact that you went all eyes wide shut

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on your facts. So I'm gonna go, Stanley Kubrick, I'm

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gonna go. I'm gonna cast a wider net. Every film

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he made was adapted from a novel, with exception to

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three films, Fear and Desire in nineteen fifty two, Killer's

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Kiss in nineteen fifty five and two thousand and one,

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A Space Odyssey in nineteen sixty eight. Now, for those

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of you out there saying, hey wait, Arthur C. Clark

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wrote the novel two thousand and one, let me remind

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you that the film and the novel were created simultaneously,

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with Kubrick and Clark collaborating. So, Brad, almost all of

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his films involve a plan that goes horribly wrong.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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I'll just say you're the Kubrick guy, right, You're when

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it comes to and Scorsese, I think you're the guy

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that can fact check this, like.

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So it was right around nineteen ninety eight or something

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like that, when you know, I finally could afford my

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first Yes DVD player, and I only had a few DVDs,

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but one of the big things that I saw coming

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out was this Stanley Kubrick DVD box set with basically

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everything except Pasive Glory and the Killing and Spartacus. So

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I bought this immediately because this is Dayton Johnson from

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Doctor May seventy seven's fault too, because he was the

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one that kept pushing me about two thousand and one,

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and he gave me a copy to take home and

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I watched it. He goes, you're not gonna like it,

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but you're gonna want to come back to it, and

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he was right. I didn't really care the first time,

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but I kept coming back to it, and then I

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got in this big Kubrick phase and I watched these

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things religiously. Then I heard it that he died, and

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then I was just like, and I think he died,

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like even before that box set came out too, So

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so I was ready for this movie and I was

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I was in my Kubrick like phase. And everybody goes

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through their their phases, you know, their led Zeppelin phase

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or you know, or something like that, Like you go

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through a phase, and mine was going through my Kubrick

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phase leading up to this, you know, July nineteen ninety

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nine date.

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Brad beginning with his film Lolita in nineteen sixty two.

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Every one of his films has at least one scene

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taking place in the bathroom. And when you think about

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like the ones I'm thinking off at the top of

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my head, nothing ever good happens in the bathroom. No,

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like ever a little quote from Stanley he once said,

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every thing has already been done, every story has been told,

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every scene has been shot. It's our job to do

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it one better.

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Mm hmm.

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This this from the guy who was notorious for like

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hundreds of takes for his uh, his actors and actresses.

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You know. And some of that is true, and some

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of that is you know, a little exaggerated. But I mean,

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even though it is a kind of a not a huge,

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you know, list of films that he made, every one

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of them are stellar, you know, So he he really

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was as but a lot of people considered one of

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the great one of the or the greatest director of

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all time, and it's it's hard to argue with that

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he's at least in that top five.

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Absolutely all right, now, let's uh his His films are

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known for their ambiguity, right, They're known for may forcing

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the audience to question what am I watching? Or what

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did I watch? Or what's my take on it? I

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will challenge you, sir, can you give us a brief

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synopsis for Eyes Wide Shot? And give for the listeners

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that maybe haven't watched this one, or maybe for the

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ones that have watched it like ten times and still question,

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like what is going on? Can you give us the

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Brad Kozo take?

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So I feel like this would have been the back

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of the VHS box book. Doctor Bill Hartford is a wealthy,

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well known doctor living in upscale New York City. He

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has a beautiful wife, Alice, a seven year old daughter,

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his own practice, and a list of high profile patients.

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Just when Bill's life seemed to be picture perfect, a

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night at a wealthy aristocrat's holiday party sends Bill on

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a journey of sexual desires, fears, temptations, infidelity, and possibly murder.

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That would be a great couple of paragraphs on the

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back of the Blu Ray. I think, yeah, Brat, let's

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let's talk about the original trailer that came out. This

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is This is Tom and Nicole melting the screen with

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their sexuality. This is nineteen. I want to say it

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was like late ninety eight when when we got the

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first trailer. Maybe that or early to or early ninety nine. Yeah,

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but we've got Chris Isaac's very playful, very dirty, very

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naughty baby did a bad, bad thing song playing over

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all these quick cuts, right, and it's just you can't

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take your eyes off the screen.

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No. And it's the perfect song for it because it's

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just baby. The way it's sanked into the trailer, it

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is these people are doing things, these very very bad things.

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And after rewatching the trailer again, I can sort of

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see how those rumors got started. But it looked like

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a Kubrick film. When I saw it, it felt like

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a Kubrick film, Like I remember seeing the trailer be like, Okay,

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it looks like his. You know, the way the lights are,

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the low lighting lighting, the walking through the corridors with

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the steady cam. I mean a lot of that is

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just him. And I'm like, that's what I'm expecting, and

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that's pretty much what I got. But yeah, the trailer

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was I'd say, yeah, it said Cruise and Kimvin, but

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the star was Kubrick.

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Well, you don't know what the hell the film is about,

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but you can't wait to find out. I don't think,

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you know, like the the only time I can think

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of a trailer this good that tells you nothing but

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but just get you so excited for the film would

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probably be uh, paulp fiction that when that trailer came out.

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But but Tom and Nicole signed open ended contracts, specifically

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agreeing to work on the project until Stanley could release

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them from it, regardless of how long the project would take.

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And keep in mind Mission Impossible to and practical Magic.

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Their next features they get, they get basically they get

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bumped like they can't do them because Kubrick is not ready.

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And ultimately this production goes what four hundred days.

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I get it. The chance to work with the greatest

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director you know of all time, you know, and he's

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willing to like get personal with you, and he's gonna

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be You're gonna be working with Stanley Kubrick and you

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are met even have a relationship with him. Like I

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can see it. You know why they did it, but

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I also feel that it was probably very difficult after

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the camera sep rolling, Oh, I have.

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how long they end up staying in the UK. Their

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their children took on English accents after a while. I

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remember there's a fun story h Vincent Dinafrio. Uh, you

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know he we know him as Kingpin in the Marvel

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universe now, but he once did a Kubrick movie. You

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know he played uh, he played Laurence Leonard Lawrence right

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Private Pile and in Full Metal Jacket. And uh, I

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love the story I read where he found out that

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they were doing a Kubrick film and his he said,

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my advice, buy a house. You're not going anywhere for

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a while, Brad. Let's take a quick break, and then

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when we come back, we will we'll start talking about, uh,

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this small but very impressive cast. Welcome back. We are

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talking about Stanley Kubrick. And his psychological drama, his erotic thriller.

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I don't know what you call this, Brad. It's Christmas movie?

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Can we call it a non traditional Christmas movie?

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You did a non traditional Christmas movie? Yes?

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Yeah, talking about eyes Wade shut and uh, this this

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this amazing cast. Tom Cruise as doctor Bill Harford. So

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back when Kubrick is conceiving the film, he's looking at

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Harrison Ford. That doesn't happen before Tom shows up. He's

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looking at Johnny Depp. That would have been interesting.

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I think a little too young, you think, do you think.

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Ninety nine Depp is a little too young to play it?

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Maybe a little too young and a little too pretty

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for the part.

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You know, you're saying he's too pretty. But meanwhile, Tom

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Cruise does get the part.

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Brad Well, Tom Cruise. We just know, we know Tom Cruise,

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you know, and this, I mean, it's like, you know,

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before we all even I feel like I don't know

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a time when we didn't have Tom Cruise, you know,

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in our movies the ends, And I'll always say something

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about his performance in this. The way he has to

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play this part is really like no other. And this

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is why I think he's great at it. He has

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to play a character very unlikable, very lots of scenes

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of being embarrassed, shameful. Huge. I mean, if somebody asked

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me what is this movie about, I think I'd say insecurity,

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and it was I mean as big as a movie

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star that Tom Cruise is. Even as watching you know,

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he's doing these things and I'm like, stop, stop, idiot,

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it comes you know, it's like his character is not

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very bright, he's not very good detective. He does not

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cover his tracks, and so this is not the Tom

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Cruise movie star we're used to. It's really seeing him

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as a kind of a weak, vulnerable guy. And yeah,

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that's why I think it's such a great performance. Because, yeah,

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people that I think if you don't like Tom Cruise,

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you will love this movie because he's kind of a

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punching bag in the movie.

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I really think you're onto something here. Because Tom Cruise

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himself was quoted as saying he didn't like playing this character,

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but he did confess that he would have absolutely been

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kicking himself if he hadn't done this project. He had

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to do it. But you're right, this is this is

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not the action hero Tom. This is not confident Tom

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this is no. Yeah, how about that? What do you

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all in all you're saying this is one of his

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better performances in.

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Oh yeah, absolutely, you know, but like I said, this

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is one of those I mean, I don't know, what

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do you want to talk about? It was like, this

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is one of those movies that was kind of scorned

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when it first came out, and over the last you know,

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twenty something years, has really kind of gotten, you know,

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aged very well. It's part of pulp culture people. I'm

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here people making jokes about it on other movies or

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shows and stuff, and like, wow, more people have seen

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this movie than I think. And you always see those lists,

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you know, here's the underrated Tom Cruise performance you're missing,

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Here's the Stanley Kubrick movie that has aged better than

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all you know, so stuff like that, and it has

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kind of picked up momentum.

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this first comes out, I mean, the internet is in

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its infancy. Yeah, there are no no there's no podcast,

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there's no movie websites. It's not it's not really a

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thing yet. So you go see a movie and maybe

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you read an article in Entertainment Weekly from a critic.

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But it's it's hard to understand why a movie is

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considered great or why it's considered a flop, especially when

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you don't have anyone to share your ideas with aside

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from the people that you go see the movies with

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at the time. And this was very divisive. You know,

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this is a movie where the movie, even when you

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watch it like your fifth time, you're still debating on

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what actually happens at the end, what's going on in

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this this secret society, this on this underworld, if you will.

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And it's not until recent years where you've got like

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subreddits on Reddit and you've got you know, people writing

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full you know, uh like thesis papers on it and

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and digging into all the little things that come with

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a Kubrick film where you start to go, hey, wait,

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I never thought about that. You know, all the conspiracy

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theories start popping up, right, and there's some crazy ones

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with this one, you know, kind of a kind of

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The Shining, you know. We there's an amazing documentary on Netflix,

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What Were Room two three seven that go just goes

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off the charge, It just goes off the rails with

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what The Shining was actually about. But I feel like

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eyes Wide shut. Is in that realm where you think

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that's not that good. I didn't didn't, I didn't make

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it didn't make sense to me. Therefore I don't care

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for it until you hear someone's theory or you hear

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someone's take on it, and then all of a sudden

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you're like, I have got to go back and watch

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that film. I had no idea what was going on,

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and that's.

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What Kubrick was very good at. That's why his films

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need multiple viewings. I don't think any one of them

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that I've sat down and watched for the first time

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I loved immediately right away, you know. But it is

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this itch that you keep coming back to, like this,

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I gotta go back and watch. I didn't really care

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if that, but there's something itching that I gotta find out.

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And then you just keep going here. Let you start

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to realize something each time. That's he was just always

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ahead of the curve with everyone.

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Before we get too far away from that trailer. One

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last thing about the trailer with that just perfect song

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by Chris Isaac. Do you know how that song found

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its way to the.

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Trailer that I don't know because I it wasn't made

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for the soundtrack. Was it?

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It was not. But here here's the fun thing. Obviously,

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Nicole Kidman has got to do a lot of a

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graphic sexual acting in this film. There's a lot there's nudity,

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you know, and this is something we're not used to

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seeing with the Nicole Kibmen. So while they're on set

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and she's doing like, you know, she's stripping out of

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her slinky black dress at the beginning of the film,

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and she's trying on lingerie and this and that to

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help her get comfortable, Kuprick just said, hey, play whatever

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music you like, just get into it, get into the mood,

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you know, feel get loose a little bit. It was

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baby did a bad, bad thing that she played a

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lot to help her find her confidence and help her

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get comfortable. On set, he fell in love with the

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song and said that that song's gonna be in the marketing.

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We got we gotta make that with the trailer, so

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we got we got Nicole Kiben to think about that.

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Nicole Kimmen playing the wife, the dutiful wife, Alice Harford,

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she's Brett. She said, working with Kubrick was like attending

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film school.

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Oh, I'm sure and so my wife waned through about

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half of the movie last night, but before falling asleep,

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but like she was, we did talk about actually a

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little bit before the show, and like she's saying, she

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owns the first quarter half of this movie.

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You know that's Nicole.

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Yeah, she just tears it up.

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You know.

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It feels like a lot is him and a lot

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is him. But when she's when she's on, she's on.

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Could anyone else have played this role? And keep in mind,

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like they're I mean, they're married at the time they

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go into this film. You know, think back to ninety

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eight ninety nine. They were Hollywood's power couple.

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Yeah, you know, they're America's sweethearts.

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America's sweethearts had done they've done a couple. You know

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what at this point we had had what Far and

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Away and Days of Thunder where work together, and you

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know that we were just not expecting something as sexually

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charged as this film. And she's mesmerizing. Yeah, he is

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absolutely mesmerizing.

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She just liked was very I don't know, she just

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seems so like she was always kind of toying with

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him in his head, in her head, you know.

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Yeah, Well she's in control oh yeah, Oh yeah, I

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knew how to be in control too. You know, the beginning,

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they're getting ready for Ziggler's party. Even even when you

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think this guy, this this predatory older guy who's dancing

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with her for for like a for like a second,

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you're a little concerned, you know, where is she a

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little too drunk? Is she a little because she's kind

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of hazy? And he's like, hey, let's go upstairs and

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look at the private art gallery. Yeah, And for a

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minute you're like, hey, be careful, Nicole. But then she

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just snaps out of it, puts this guy in his place,

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and then later you know, I know we'll get to this,

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we'll get to the scenes. But just the way she

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controls the I don't know if you want to call

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it an argument, but the discussion after the party that

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she has with Tom, she's never she's never not in

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control of their of their relationship. I feel like in

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the film, well you.

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Can tell the hungarian guy has never been told no.

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He's he looks like he's very good at seduction and

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so seeing her, and the thing is too, is that

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he knows he can tell a little bit that she

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kind of wants to go with him.

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Well, you know, you said the film, your take is

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that the film is about insecurity. I would I would uh,

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I would offer that the film is about the desire

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and dare I say the deception of power? Mm? Hm.

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And I think this is something that Nicole Kimmen does

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expertly in this film with this performance, I'll tell you, uh,

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maybe the surprising performance for me is uh is Sidney

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Pollack direct.

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I love when Sidney Pollack. I love when he acts.

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It's usually just a little bit, but when he acts,

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he's so much fun to watch. So he's actually a

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really good actor.

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So the only reason he's here, Harvey kaititel Is is

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Victor Zeigler. And then after like the two hundredth take

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of walking through a doorway or something like, Kit tells like,

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all right, I'm out, I've had enough. He leaves, he quits,

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and Sidney Pollack is you know, he shows up at

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the eleventh hour to take on this role. And I

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love the fact that, you know, the the billiard room

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scene at the end of the movie, and I know

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we'll talk about it. It takes an insanely long time

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to shoot this thing, like a couple of weeks and Tom,

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you know, had mentioned that, Hey, I think Sidney Pollack

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showed up a little too prepared. He had he had notes,

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you know, for Kubrick. So Kuber's like, okay, well we'll

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do We'll do a different version each time and we'll

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just see, like do you if okay, I get it

466
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your Sidney Pollock, but do you show up to Kubrick's

467
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:05.559
film and give him some suggestions or give him some

468
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.880
thoughts or do you just show up and do the job?

469
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:11.200
I mean, I would just show up and do the job.

470
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.039
But hey, you know, if he got the balls to

471
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:15.960
do that, go for it.

472
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:18.640
How good is Sidney Pollack in this film?

473
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.480
He's he's so good every time that he's in something.

474
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.640
Just like I said, he's only in it for a

475
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.759
little bit, but he always kind of makes the scenes

476
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.880
a little bit better. But the character that he was playing,

477
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.519
he had that look. I could I could believe that

478
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.680
he's playing that kind of guy. You know, he's he's

479
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.039
very much like it's okay, and you know it's like

480
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:43.480
we'll take care of it. We'll take care of it.

481
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.599
He's got it. He's got a tight power grab.

482
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.200
Well, he's used like the like the hungarian guy who's

483
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.599
not used to being told no. Ziggler's just used to

484
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:55.920
not only getting his way, but when things don't go

485
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:58.480
his way, he's used to he immediately has a way

486
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.200
to sweep it under the rug. You know, like the

487
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.480
first time we meet Mandy, you know, Tom Tom's down there,

488
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.480
Tom Katton with the two young models, and then you know,

489
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.079
one of Ziggler's guy's like, hey, we need you upstairs.

490
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:17.039
You know, beautiful, beautiful woman, catatonic, she's odeed and he's there, like,

491
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.960
you know, in his tuxedo pants and his suspenders. He's like, ah, yay,

492
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:21.680
we things got a little messy here.

493
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.079
You know what do you notice? It seems like this

494
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.559
isn't the He acts so natural, as like he's done

495
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.119
it again. I feel like he's the Ziggler has done

496
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:36.880
this kind of thing before, and he knows and I mean, Jesus,

497
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.680
the balls on this guy to be having a Christmas

498
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.599
party his wife and everything is downstairs and he's having

499
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.960
sex with this prostitute up and the bathroom or like

500
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.559
the bathroom right, you know, and stuff, and I'm like, man,

501
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.160
I'm like, he's just get through the night, you.

502
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.119
Know, at least well, how about you're absolutely right. He's

503
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:02.720
done this multiple times, and just the coldness of his

504
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.880
demeanor where he's like, all right, she's uh, we go

505
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:07.440
ahead and get her out of here, right, And Tom's like,

506
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.759
I know, I think she needs you know, at least

507
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:16.039
an hour. He's like an hour, like, yeah, you did

508
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.519
a bad thing. You you don't want the naked hooker

509
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.720
to be hanging out upstairs and uh, your your your house,

510
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.279
you know, like I get it, but but but.

511
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:28.680
It shows that his character is one of these many

512
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:35.559
sexually possessed you know, sex addicts that cannot say nos.

513
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:37.640
You know, yeah, they have to have it.

514
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.759
This society, these these I mean, let's let's be honest.

515
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.519
You know, when you when you think about the party,

516
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.559
everyone that's there, you got to think the poorest guy

517
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.240
in the room is probably a multi millionaire. This is yeah,

518
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.799
this is society's like the one percenters, right, this is

519
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:59.240
the elite of the elite. Right. Yeah, I'm getting ahead

520
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.039
of myself, Brad. Let's let's talk a little bit about

521
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.200
the background, because I know you probably got got a

522
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.440
little bit about this, like you said, uh he he

523
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:11.480
optioned the Schnitzler's novella took a long time to to

524
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.559
get get around to doing it. But uh, you know

525
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.640
one thing I will add to your factoid. He actually

526
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.440
found this book while he was making Spartacus and it

527
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:27.480
was only because he was doing therapy with Kirk Douglas. Yeah,

528
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:30.039
because they were not getting along. I guess the book

529
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.960
was was there and you know what's this picks it

530
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.039
up and I think I'll make a movie about this

531
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:41.599
in a few decades. Uh. I gotta tell you, Kubrick

532
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.680
maybe crossing the line a little bit with his stars. Uh.

533
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.880
And I'm not talking about the contract, the insane contract.

534
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.799
To get them ready, he joined them in psychoanalysis sessions

535
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.079
where he had, you know, he had Tom and Nicole

536
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:03.000
confess their fears about relatelationships, about their real life marriage,

537
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.759
you know, divulging secrets. According to Nicole Kipman, it was

538
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.640
a very I'm quoting her, she says it was a

539
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:17.079
brutally honest and blurred line between themselves and their fictional characters.

540
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.359
And after they did these sessions, they made a vow

541
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.720
to each other to never reveal the details of what

542
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:25.359
they discussed.

543
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:26.319
Right.

544
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.400
I get you, I know you're Stanley Kubrick, but isn't

545
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:30.759
that going a little too far?

546
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:36.200
He wanted to try something different. You know, it was risky,

547
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.519
time consuming, but I think he just wanted to see

548
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:42.400
what he could get out of it.

549
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.079
You know.

550
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:46.839
It's like how he's always been that kind of director

551
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:50.319
that's gonna go over the edge. If he's gonna do it,

552
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.279
then full on do it. I mean, you gotta think

553
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:55.960
that anybody that was a part of that crew now

554
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.079
looks back on that is like I got to spend

555
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.920
all this time working with Stanley Kubrick. At the time,

556
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.519
they probably hated it, but now looking back on it,

557
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:05.960
they wouldn't trade it for a second.

558
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.519
I've got one more fun little fact about the production.

559
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.720
And because you took all of mine, you already.

560
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:16.400
Is there any anything else you want to add? Though?

561
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.640
Before I give you you got you got.

562
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.559
The record for the longest shoot. Harrison Ford's first choice

563
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.079
for Bill Irby I tell and jenniferjason Oh yeah, Jennifer

564
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.160
Jason Lee was another one that had to quit.

565
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.160
What about she was Jennifer Jason Lee. I didn't know

566
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:30.599
she was in this.

567
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.440
Yeah, she was supposed to play the girl that her

568
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:41.880
father dies, mary Anne, mary Anne, and so yes, she

569
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.119
was supposed to play her, but I think it was

570
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.559
she had to start her next project. You know, I

571
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.839
can't say, you know, like Harvey Gotell was like, I

572
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:52.079
got other jobs.

573
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:52.279
I have to do.

574
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:53.640
I can't keep staying here.

575
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.839
So she was like, oh, uh, four hundred day shoot

576
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:58.480
and you want to do six hundred takes of it. Yeah,

577
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:03.599
I'm good, Yeah, I'm moving on. Yeah. Brad. After he

578
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.759
finished his production and we've got like three or four

579
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:13.240
miles worth of film to edit, he several times watched

580
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.240
Basic Instinct, Fatal.

581
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:18.440
And your favorite movie.

582
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.400
Well it's not my favorite, but what but truly a

583
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:30.599
Jeff Johnson's favorite Showgirls. Uh, he's watching these films to

584
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.160
get an idea of how explicit the sex scenes can

585
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.440
be in the movie without getting the dreaded NC seventeen.

586
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.920
I mean, so, you know, I'll go to be honest,

587
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.599
the next time someone gives me shit for liking show Girls,

588
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:47.759
I'll remind them that one of the greatest cinematic minds

589
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:51.799
of our of our time, Stanley Kruber, also watching that show.

590
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:57.440
Let's you want to take a break and then we'll

591
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:04.519
talk some noteworthy scenes. Absolutely all right, okay, welcome back.

592
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.039
We are going to talk about a couple noteworthy scenes

593
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.719
and hopefully find our way to the pivotal moment. Brad,

594
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:18.559
Can we start with the discussion between Bill and Alice. Uh,

595
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:23.519
they get home from Ziggler's party, they smoke some pot.

596
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.400
This is the next night? Is this? Yeah?

597
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:27.679
Yeah?

598
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.760
So the party and then they have.

599
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:34.480
She was like yeah, she because she's like, we should

600
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.840
we should call and thank him for the fun party.

601
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.480
But they're they're hanging out, you know, they get high,

602
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:45.760
they're getting a little frisky. And then Nicole, Uh, I

603
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.199
should say Alice gets a little aggressive. You know, let's

604
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.280
just say, hey, you know what this I think this

605
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.159
pot's making you a little aggressive, Alice.

606
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.239
But she had bad weed.

607
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.320
She had some bad weed there, I think. But this,

608
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:02.400
this is an incredible, incredible conversation they're having, and it's

609
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:08.599
all about jealousy and evolution, and you know she's because

610
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.360
you know she It starts off like, well, who are

611
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:11.280
there's two little.

612
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.400
Yeah, they're getting they're kind of like getting off on

613
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.800
each other, telling each other about somebody else. You're like, oh,

614
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.800
it's about to get get crazy in here, all right, Yeah?

615
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.519
And then who who is that guy you're dancing with Oh,

616
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.000
he's just someone, you know, and you know he's he's

617
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:27.719
he's kind of I mean, it's it's raw, you know,

618
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.159
he's kind of he's kissing on he's kind of groping her,

619
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.599
and he's like, oh, this guy wants to fuck my

620
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.559
wife and yeah, and he's like that's she gets yeah,

621
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.320
it's hot, and she gets upset. She's like, oh, so

622
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.480
no one, no one's gonna look at me unless they

623
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.760
want to fuck me. And and then he realizes he

624
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.920
has definitely taken a wrong turn.

625
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.679
Here, and he keeps doing it.

626
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:55.199
Yeah, just let her man. Yeah, but this is the

627
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.280
scene that sets this whole movie, you know, this odyssey,

628
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.320
this this night long odyssey that he goes on because

629
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:05.360
he's like, hey, you know, guys are guys, but girls

630
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.679
don't think like that. And then she destroys him with

631
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:12.920
this this story that's like, hey, you remember Kate Cod

632
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.760
last summer, that naval officer that we saw in the lobby,

633
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.840
couldn't stop thinking about him. I would have given up anything, you,

634
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.719
our daughter, our life, our marriage just to have him.

635
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.400
And she talks about this fantasy that she's got and

636
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.119
just cuts him down to pe you know, down to size.

637
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:34.079
I think it's such a powerful moment for her character.

638
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.519
Yeah well, I mean you got to think about how

639
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.599
you're supposed to react to what she says. You can

640
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:46.360
be aggravated, you can be mad, but technically she didn't

641
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:52.239
do anything wrong. She just had some feelings, but still

642
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.639
pisses you off. And it's like, you know, and he's

643
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.719
seeing himself because you can tell when he left those

644
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.159
two models, he was like, that's girls. I can you know?

645
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.199
I can't you know? And he's like, I left those

646
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.719
two models. And she's telling me this story and it's

647
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:17.960
like she just toyed with him, I mean just annihilated him.

648
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:23.119
I mean his manhood, his like I said, to his

649
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.440
as ability as a lover, as a husband, as a father,

650
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.199
a provider. She just cut it all down and saying,

651
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.400
for one night with this dude, you know, giving it

652
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.880
to me, i'd I would, I would leave you guys

653
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:43.079
in a second. And it's like, what am I supposed

654
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.800
to say about that? I mean, he's just stuck because

655
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.400
you can't you can't be like, oh, you know, oh

656
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.199
she did this wrong, but she technically didn't do anything wrong.

657
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:58.239
She takes okay, so she all she does. Her crime

658
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.840
is that she's honest with him, right, but I mean,

659
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.239
like a brain ninja, she has put this thought in

660
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.400
his head. And now we're inside Tom's head, or we're

661
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.760
inside Bill's head, because what's going to happen is obviously

662
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.440
he's going to imagine what she's talking about, and it's

663
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.800
going to be the rawest, most dirty, just most graphic thing.

664
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.159
And these were difficult scenes for her to film. You know,

665
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.400
when you watch this film and we're and we're in

666
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.800
Bill's mind thinking, you know, like what like the worst

667
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.760
possible thing. It's not the soft, beautiful, candlelit type of

668
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.559
love making. This is animalistic to a point. You know, this,

669
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.960
this this sailor is like he's taking her her underwear off,

670
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.840
he's stripping her, he's on top of her, he's all

671
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.559
he's all over her, and it's you know, I mean

672
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.159
imagine that, like you're Tom Cruise, You're one of the

673
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.159
most powerful guys in Hollywood, You're married to one of

674
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.079
the most beautiful stars some one of the most powerful

675
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:04.039
stars in Hollywood, and Nicole Kidman and and this is

676
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.360
this is a day at work. You're watching this guy

677
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:10.000
who's well like twenty four years old, just go to

678
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.440
town your wife like that could not be a good

679
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.880
work environment for two I just couldn't be, especially for

680
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:16.800
four hundred days. Man.

681
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.239
Yeah, I mean he just he goes down the just

682
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.920
bad man verse that he shouldn't go down because in

683
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:33.000
his mind he thinks, well she would have so I could, right, yeah,

684
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.679
so I could.

685
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.679
Well he's mad, right, he's right. He wants to get

686
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:42.480
even with something that she didn't even do, and within

687
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.840
within a twenty four hour period, he's what, He's kissed

688
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:48.440
two different women, you know, solicited to prostitute. He doesn't

689
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.440
go through with anything with the prostitute, but still, you know,

690
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.159
then he finds his way to the next scene. I

691
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.039
think we got to talk about, Brad. What is the password?

692
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:59.639
Sir Fidelio?

693
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.599
Is this not the party that you would absolutely love

694
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.119
to be at? Well?

695
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.639
I don't know who it was that said it, but somebody, uh,

696
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:13.360
some reporter that's actually been to one of these types

697
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.800
of parties says that this is very tame the one

698
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.159
and eyes by shut compared to what the real one is.

699
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:24.800
I mean, this is something that I think, this is

700
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.639
a be careful what you wish for type of thing.

701
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.920
This you know it's who is It's Nick Nightingale who

702
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.360
tells him like, hey, the blindfold, you know, wasn't that

703
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:41.199
tight in the things I saw, you can't imagine it's so,

704
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:44.400
you know, and I get this is the scene that

705
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.480
kind of sparks plenty of conspiracy theories online about what's

706
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:52.320
actually happening at these parties. And I don't know how

707
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:53.679
much you want to get into the theories.

708
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.920
No, I just I mean I think it was. Yeah,

709
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.800
it was definitely over hyped of what was what was

710
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:06.480
going to be happening. I expected something like something like that,

711
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:07.920
but I mean.

712
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:10.639
Well I'm not. I mean, I'm I mean, yeah, we

713
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.599
get it. There's a it's a there's a sexual orgy happening,

714
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.679
you know, all after all the pageantry, after all the

715
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.719
the ritual, you know, with the masks and the Yeah,

716
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.280
the music that I'm gonna say is scary as shit, Like, yeah,

717
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.679
that music, you know, I'm not even talking about the creepy,

718
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:36.239
deep voiced Latin or whatever that is going on. I'm

719
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.760
talking about that stinging piano, that one note that just

720
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.159
hits every now and then. This is horror film music

721
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:46.079
at its best. And it's not even a horror film.

722
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.559
But but maybe it is a horror film because you know,

723
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.119
one of the prevailing theories, Brad, is that this is

724
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.880
you know, we get it, it's a secret society, but

725
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.400
this is like your upper you know, like the elite

726
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.800
of the elite, the most power people in the world,

727
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.760
and this it's it's all about sex trafficking, you know,

728
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.719
but it's about the grooming of women at an early age.

729
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.800
Oh yeah, so, and I think there's a lot of

730
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.400
that going on, you know, And that's that's one of

731
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:15.840
the fun things about this movie. You said, you know,

732
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.480
this is one you go back, you watch it over

733
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.119
and over again, or you find yourself in uh, you know,

734
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.000
a subreddit on Reddit, or you find yourself, you know,

735
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.599
reading someone's thoughts and you're like, I never picked up

736
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:28.559
on that, you know.

737
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.119
Yeah, I mean you got to sometimes fill in the

738
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.559
missing pieces with your own kind of assumption of what

739
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.719
happened next or in between, you know, type of thing.

740
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.480
Because you know, before he shows up, before he goes,

741
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.679
he had just went to see Domino and he got

742
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:50.119
bailed out, you know, saved by the bell. You know,

743
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.440
his wife calls him and he feels really guilty. He

744
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.840
was okay by them, but he figured, I'm still gonna

745
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.159
walk around. Okay, I'll go see my buddy, I'll hang

746
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.559
out with a guy. I'm mean, yeah, guy shot you

747
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.880
drink my manhood back. And then he tells me about

748
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:07.920
that and he gets hooked again. It's he just keeps

749
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.960
getting hooked when he needs to stop. It's like, we're

750
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.079
telling you this is a bad idea. You've been warned,

751
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.559
and he keeps doing it.

752
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.320
Yeah. The Secret Society is doing their best to give

753
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:24.119
him every opportunity to just stay away, and he can't.

754
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:27.639
Yeah, right, this ends, you know.

755
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.880
Okay, So there's some stuff happening here, like think about this.

756
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.960
You know, he needs the costume right right, very specifically.

757
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:38.400
He needs a cloak with a hood and a mask

758
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.920
and a tuxedo. He goes to the the Rainbow Costume

759
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.079
Shop or whatever, and there's some weird shit happening there

760
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:52.880
with you know, Millich, the owner, and then his his

761
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:59.039
very young daughter, who is played by h Lely Sobiski. Brad, Yeah,

762
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.360
for teen year old le Lily Sobiski. And there's clearly

763
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.079
that you can't tell me that that's not some kind

764
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.679
of you know, child sex trafficking thing that's happening in

765
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:12.679
that shop. Oh yeah, with the Asian guys. But you know,

766
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.239
but she's been groomed. She's kind of into it. And

767
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.920
even when Tom, like like Tom shows up that weird

768
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.159
moment right where she whispers something in his ear.

769
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.079
Yeah, and I always thought she said something really you know,

770
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.360
sexy or nasty or something. She said something about like

771
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.559
putting on this certain kind of like silk liner in

772
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.079
like with the with the tux eater or the cloak.

773
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.400
You'll need an ermine lining your cloak. Now, kind of

774
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.519
odd that this costume shop just happens to have the

775
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.000
kind of a tire that you need for one of

776
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:50.400
these parties. But she clearly is has been around the block.

777
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.360
She knows about it because she's suggesting to him hermine,

778
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.920
so that, you know, because it's like a status symbol,

779
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.760
like you know, if people see this as the lining

780
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:00.199
of his cloak, they'll know that he's one of the

781
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.719
upper you know, upper the elite. You know, right, he'll

782
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.320
be along, right because he, like you said, he's a

783
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.679
terrible detective. He's yeah, you know, like Pollack says, you know, well,

784
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.159
you know, you showed up in a taxi, but a cab.

785
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:14.920
Rest of us are in Limos pal you know.

786
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.559
And then I noticed last night watching it that he

787
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.159
doesn't put his mask onto. He's like all the way in,

788
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.519
like yeah, halfway into the building. I'm like, you need

789
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.239
to put that thing on before you knock got the door.

790
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.000
Put the mask on in a taxi cab. Hey, I'm

791
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.599
going to this fun party and just hang out. Man,

792
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.920
here's here's a hundred bucks. He's awful at not giving

793
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:35.599
himself away.

794
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.639
Well, I think is that if you put it in

795
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:44.320
Bill the married man with seven year old daughter's perspective,

796
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.039
He feel likes he's lost his youth. He feels like

797
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.800
maybe he's at his sexual peak. His wife isn't. He's

798
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:54.119
starting to think about other women. But when he goes

799
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.480
out this night, he sees how dangerous some of the

800
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.840
stuff that he desires is. Oh, you you want this

801
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.280
crazy sex stuff? This is how it is, you know,

802
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.760
the fourteen year old girl, the crazy cult. You know,

803
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:11.880
it's like, trust me, you're good where you are, be happy.

804
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.639
With what you have. Yeah, well, ignorance is bliss right

805
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:19.239
like you you know. Uh, Ziggler tries to warn him,

806
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.000
like you I'm not gonna name names. You know, if

807
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.480
if you knew who's at that party. I'm not gonna

808
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:24.840
tell you who's at that party, but if you knew,

809
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:29.760
you'd he'd be scared, you'd you know, you'd be worried. Yeah,

810
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.960
and that you know that. I guess that kind of

811
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.079
brings us into the third scene that I think we

812
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:35.480
need to talk about. And if there's another scene that

813
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.320
you want to talk about after this, we we certainly will.

814
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.880
But it's that that moment where he confronts Ziggler, or

815
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:44.719
I should say Ziggler confronts sim and says, hey, I

816
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.519
know where you were. I know what's going on. And

817
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.280
he's still just trying badly trying to hide what he's

818
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.960
been up to, and Zick just like I was there, man,

819
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:57.559
I saw you. Yeah, Oh well gave me away and cruise.

820
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:02.079
When he knows he's caught, he I mean, he literally

821
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:06.079
looks sick to his stomach, like he's that's always like

822
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:10.239
he looks so embarrassed. He doesn't know what to say,

823
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.719
and he like he got him. You know, it's like

824
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.320
he tried to put off I don't know what you're

825
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.320
talking about. No, you're a terrible liar.

826
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:20.880
Man, Yeah, let's cut the bullshit, man like yeah, And

827
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.800
the look on Cruise's face where he's it's like he's

828
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.800
fighting the urge to just explode into tears in emotion,

829
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:31.480
but he's still trying to. He's smile and he's like, well,

830
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:34.599
I don't know what you're talking about me. Yeah, but

831
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.599
he's he's caught, you know, you know, but he can't

832
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.760
let it go. Even even though he knows he's caught,

833
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.559
he still has to know, like what is this all about?

834
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.760
Who are these people? And Ziggler is doing his best

835
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.719
to tell him who these people are and what they're

836
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:52.719
capable of doing. Yeah, especially if he doesn't back off

837
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.840
and just forget it right Yoh yeah, yeah.

838
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.960
I mean he's trying to do his little you know,

839
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:03.440
Johnny detective thing. It's just like you said, he is

840
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.800
you have no idea, You have no idea how powerful,

841
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:11.119
how high about this goes you're And two, it's because

842
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:15.079
he's like wants to find out if they murdered that girl,

843
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.840
you know, Mandy, who was supposed to be There's a

844
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:22.519
lot of things that you sometimes don't know for sure.

845
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:24.199
This is one of those movies you don't know for sure.

846
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:25.559
Like, was it her?

847
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:29.119
He says, it's her, but was it her? Oh? And

848
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.719
uh well, oh real quick about the orgy scene, do

849
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:35.880
you know who does the voice of the man party

850
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.239
was about to say Mandy.

851
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.559
I was just about to say, like, we we've got

852
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.679
three different actresses playing Mandy on purpose, and again it's

853
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.679
it's to kind of I think it's it's confusing us

854
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.960
and and Bill right, because we're Bill's our avatar or

855
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.960
we're along for the right with Bill and I remember

856
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.519
the first time, you know, you see Mandy, you get

857
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:00.960
a very good look at her head to toe in

858
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.920
the Ziggler's bathroom, and then the woman you know, she's

859
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.280
she has the mask and you're like it, you know,

860
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.239
not to be crude, Brad, but it could be her.

861
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:14.320
It could be that's not you know, I'm yeah, I'm

862
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:18.480
looking at another naked female body, but yeah, that's I

863
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.119
don't think that's her. I'm pretty sure.

864
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:22.800
And it's like, yeah, and it's like I only saw

865
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.920
her for a very short amount of time. Yeah, it

866
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.599
seems like it's her, but it's a little different in

867
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.800
my head. Even when he looks at her on the

868
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.039
slab lab in the Morgue, it's kind of like that's

869
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.119
the only way he can identify her is to basically

870
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.920
stare at her naked body because that's what he saw

871
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:43.000
up front.

872
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.800
And then meanwhile, the actress who play who plays the

873
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.840
the Mandy at the at the party, or I should

874
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:58.800
say at the Yeah, Amanda Curran. Uh So in real life,

875
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.280
she's got a tosh accent. Obviously, because they're in the

876
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:04.719
United Kingdom. Kubrick doesn't want that. He wants an American accent.

877
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.679
They find another actress who has a pretty good American

878
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.519
accent but also is not American. Who is that, Brad?

879
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:14.239
It's Kate Blanchett.

880
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.480
Kate Blanchett. And I'm telling you, man, like the first

881
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.960
couple of times you watch it, you're like, your brain

882
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.199
doesn't hear Kate Blanchette. Is You're looking at a naked

883
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.719
woman with a mask on, right, But then when you

884
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.400
when you know it's Kate Blanchett, it messes with you

885
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:33.480
because you're like, that is clearly, clearly Kate Kate Blanchette's voice. Yeah,

886
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.920
but that's is that Kate Blanchett? What's going on here?

887
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:42.559
You know? Yeah? I got these three scenes, Brad are

888
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.440
one of them. The pivotal moment of this film, or

889
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.039
do you have something that you feel is the pivotal

890
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.320
moment that that we haven't talked about.

891
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:53.800
I think the pool table scene is because you see it. Yeah,

892
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.760
it's the confessional. It's everything on the table, and it's

893
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.119
you're not gonna win this one. You're not gonna in

894
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.039
this argument. A girl is dead and there's nothing that

895
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:06.760
you and I can do about it, he tells me.

896
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:11.119
He tells him it was fake, and like I said, like,

897
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.039
you don't know for sure, but you make your own

898
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.519
conclusion out of it. But he is basically saying, yeah,

899
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:18.960
it was fake, but if we really wanted to, oh yeah,

900
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.519
we could have killed her and just dumped her and

901
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:24.480
made it look very easy. You know, powerful people there,

902
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.079
probably worked for the newspaper. They can write it up

903
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:28.760
in them.

904
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.440
Yeah. Yeah, it's I think what what Pollack is doing

905
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.519
in that scene, and I agree with you it's the

906
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.360
pivotal moment of the film. What he's doing is a

907
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:41.320
plausible deniability. Yeah, it was all in act. Yeah, when

908
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.599
she says she was, she'll redeem you. She'll she'll yeah

909
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:46.599
she did. We didn't kill her, she just you know,

910
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.440
got her brain left out, you know. It's Yeah, I

911
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.880
feel like he's basically didn't like say that she's fine.

912
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.960
But if we don't want her to be fine, she's

913
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.000
not gonna be fine. Like it's like I'm gonna be

914
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:01.400
We're gonna be scary, but we're also not gonna admit

915
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.960
to doing anything evil. That's how I took it.

916
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.760
Yeah, absolutely, and like you said, to scare the ever

917
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:08.760
living shit out of you.

918
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.079
Yeah, one uh one final, one, final moment that you

919
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.840
just didn't see coming. And it's it's that whole Chekhov's

920
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.119
gun thing right where we saw something at the beginning,

921
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.599
you know, or in the middle the mask. You know,

922
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.920
Millach is like, uh, where's the mask? You don't have

923
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.320
the mask? He's he's given the costume back. I must

924
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:32.559
have dropped it. I don't know, it's where's it at?

925
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.559
And the first first time you see this, you're like,

926
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:37.880
who gives it? It's a twenty dollars mask? No deal.

927
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:44.239
Until the end, the scary piano comes back. Nicole Kimmen

928
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:49.599
sound asleep and on his pillow lays the mask. Brad

929
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.079
she knows, Uh.

930
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:55.440
I don't think she knows yet. What they that shows

931
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.519
is we can get right to your family. Yeah, you

932
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.960
have them ask we can get you, and you'll never

933
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:06.119
even see us coming. They were right next to his wife,

934
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:07.800
putting that there in his house.

935
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:12.360
Okay, so your your thought is she okay thought here

936
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.159
she finds the mask. Okay, So either she finds the

937
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.639
mask puts it on the pillow as like more of

938
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:22.840
a we need to talk, or you're saying she's sun

939
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:25.280
asleep and these powerful men get in the house and

940
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:26.400
put the mask on the pillow.

941
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:27.960
Oh yeah, that's right.

942
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.320
And then he just gives himself up.

943
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.639
Oh yeah, he gives himself out this base say we're

944
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.480
in danger, we could be in danger, and that's when

945
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:38.440
he yeah. It's like, oh yeah, you didn't think how

946
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.760
powerful we are. We just got right next to your wife,

947
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:43.239
and who knows if we wanted to, we can get

948
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.760
your daughter too, So shut your mouth.

949
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.599
Okay, speaking speaking, we can get your daughter too. Another

950
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.280
theory I found online, I want I want the brad

951
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:56.519
Kozo take on this. Okay, the entire movie. Every time

952
00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:01.239
we see the daughter Nicole Kidman, is you know, feeding her,

953
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:03.880
primping her, combing her hair, straightening her hair. She's always

954
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:08.400
like She's like grooming her to some extent. So there's

955
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:11.440
one theory out there that suggests that Nicole Kidman was

956
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:17.440
one of these brainwashed women in the colt, right, and

957
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.840
that she was given to you know, like Tom, you

958
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.679
know Bill, not like given, but like it's like, hey,

959
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.119
we're gonna let him meet this woman, and she cook

960
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:29.679
she can have a life. And then she it's almost

961
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.239
like hypnotizing her, like the creepy hungarian guy when they're dancing,

962
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.679
he's saying certain things and she's like, not drunk, but

963
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:37.760
maybe she's just getting like she's fallen back into like

964
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.639
the the brainwashing of this cult. Right. Yeah, So one

965
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.840
theory suggests that Nicole Kimmen was one of these women

966
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:51.159
who they allowed a life and now the price of silence,

967
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.599
the price of admission, is we're taking your daughter. And

968
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.159
I was like that, that's not right. That didn't happen.

969
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.599
But people online point out that the last scene, they're

970
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.960
in the toy store and there's two creepy guys that

971
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.239
were at the party, you know, like the one guy

972
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.679
that was falling on the street. They're in the toy store,

973
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.880
and the last time you see the little girl, she's

974
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.800
walking away with the two men, and then we cut

975
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:18.719
to tight shot on Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise and

976
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:21.880
they're talking about how they move forward and what we're

977
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.239
going to do to get past this, and then the

978
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:28.199
movie ends. So does that hold any any water for you? Bread?

979
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.559
What those people online said is so wrong and so

980
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:43.039
out of context. Okay, absolutely not. I think if anything,

981
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:48.440
maybe they are watching him. But no, she's just she

982
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.119
knew nothing about it. And I think I know why

983
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:55.079
that kind of started. Nicole Kimmen in recent years has

984
00:55:55.199 --> 00:56:00.320
played very similar characters that have that are powerful, that

985
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:06.000
have a sexual past. Okay, So I feel like a

986
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.079
lot of that came like a couple of things that

987
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.119
she has done, like from a series of Netflix, you know,

988
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.760
Big Old Liars and all that stuff. It's a lot

989
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.760
of that is is very similar to those characters. But

990
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:18.960
I don't think she's a she was a part of

991
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:19.400
it at all.

992
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:23.159
Okay. But and I'm not I'm not I'm not on

993
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.599
the side of the internet sleuth. But I'll point out

994
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:30.159
one thing, just playing Devil's Advocate here, when he did

995
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.400
when he gets home, Yeah, and she wakes up, you know,

996
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.559
she's like laughing, and then he wakes her up from

997
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.480
what she is all the night before nightmare, Yeah, the

998
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:45.119
night before, and she basically explains a very specific scene

999
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:49.320
that he just witnessed at the party, and it's all

1000
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.760
about her having sex with hundreds of guys. She can't

1001
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.719
keep track of how many guys. And when you put

1002
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.760
that her dream, it's almost like is she was she

1003
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.239
dreaming or was she was it a repressed memory from her,

1004
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:06.199
like her youth, and like, you don't think so that's

1005
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:06.559
not there.

1006
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.440
I just I feel like, so he comes home originally,

1007
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:13.920
you know, from the you know, the from the party,

1008
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:16.840
and I think he's got it, like, okay, I got

1009
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:20.079
out of this one. Yeah that was just way over

1010
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.840
my head. I'm out of my league, and it's said,

1011
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.199
but she kind of just keeps pushing. She brings up

1012
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:29.159
the naval officer again and all this stuff, and I'm like.

1013
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:29.760
Why do you.

1014
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.239
Can't this just be a hey, we got a little

1015
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.639
too stoned and we argued, they don't take don't listen

1016
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.079
to me, you know, It's like that's all they had

1017
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:44.440
to do. But yeah, she just she picks at him again,

1018
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.239
and then so there goes the thoughts.

1019
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:47.440
You know.

1020
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:50.440
The next day, he's buying Mandy you know, a piece

1021
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:55.559
of cake and calling Mary you know, the girl that

1022
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:59.639
tries to kiss him. So it's like he was, he

1023
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:02.519
was out and then she just keep picking at me.

1024
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.000
He's like, well, god damn it, I'm gonna go look

1025
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.159
for some more more girls. He's gonna find a way

1026
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.119
to get revenge on her somehow, Brad.

1027
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:14.039
Uh, I don't know. I I still I love this

1028
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:19.639
film and I've seen it dozens of times. Yeah, and

1029
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:24.679
I'm still not sure what actually is going on. Oh yeah, neither.

1030
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:27.239
And I love the film for that, like you know,

1031
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:30.199
because like I said, you know, like before the break,

1032
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.400
I was talking about some of these these theories that

1033
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.480
are out there, and some of them I kind of

1034
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:37.280
I buy into some of it, right, but then you're like, no,

1035
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:39.599
that's not what's going on. So I don't know where

1036
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:40.039
to go in it.

1037
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:41.960
But it's fun to think them.

1038
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:46.639
Well, let's think about some other Kubrick stuff here. I

1039
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:49.599
want to know and and listen, I'm not I'm not

1040
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.199
gonna I'm not gonna get in the way with with

1041
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.559
some of my picks because I've been doing this. Uh,

1042
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:57.719
but this is Kubrick and this is Kocho. So Brad.

1043
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:02.440
If someone was un familiar with Stanley Kubrick, they watch

1044
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:08.679
Eyes Wide Shut and they are like, WHOA, I need

1045
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.079
to see more of this guy's work, Brad, What three

1046
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.400
films are you going to suggest they watch?

1047
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:20.239
Pasive Glory two thousand and one, Space Odyssey, and Doctor Strangelove.

1048
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.000
I mean, first of all, every one of these films

1049
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:29.079
is fantastic, but those three are so unique in their

1050
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:35.480
own way. You know, a war drama, a space adventure

1051
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:40.960
into the unknown, and then a comedy about nuclear war.

1052
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:45.559
It's I mean, those are the those are your I'd

1053
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:48.960
say the three to get your all right, know what

1054
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.280
I'm getting into. And then once you see the whole filmography,

1055
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.360
you know, and I mean I love everyone. I have

1056
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:57.880
every one of them. I mean, and like you said,

1057
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.159
you like this movie, I loves Maybe. I saw this

1058
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.920
movie opening weekend, and when I saw it, there was

1059
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:10.679
a lot of people uh giggling, laughing, hissing, not enjoying

1060
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:13.159
this film because they thought they were going to see

1061
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:17.760
a kind of Far and Away, the R rated version beautiful,

1062
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:21.440
you know, and Tom is the hero and she's the

1063
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:24.880
damsel in distress. And it wasn't that at all, you know,

1064
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.079
I saw a lot of women going to the movie

1065
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.639
together as being like, Oh, we're going to see this

1066
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:30.920
sexy movie, and they're like, this isn't what we thought.

1067
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:34.719
But I loved it when it came out, and because

1068
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:38.400
it was it was very Kubrickian, you know, I was

1069
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:39.800
like very Cubrician.

1070
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:42.840
Think about the word on the street was like before

1071
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.360
we saw the movie, before word got out. You know, again,

1072
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.800
this is this is very early years of the internet.

1073
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.159
So you couldn't just watch a trailer over and over again.

1074
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:53.239
Even if you watch this trailer, you don't know what

1075
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:56.559
the hell's happening. But let's not forget early on people

1076
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:01.639
assumed that Tom and Nicole were playing so psychiatrists that

1077
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:07.559
liked to have indiscretions, we should say, with their patients

1078
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.360
and then and then try to one up each other. Yeah,

1079
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:12.079
that would have That would have been a weird movie.

1080
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:14.719
Oh yeah, and I'm glad we didn't get that. I'm

1081
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:17.559
glad we got we got what we got. But your list, Brad,

1082
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:23.280
your three suggestions. If I could, I would remove Past

1083
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:26.920
the Glory and I would insert one that you and

1084
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:30.519
I saw together for the first time, a clockwork Orange,

1085
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.679
because that film, man, I think it was the third

1086
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.840
time I watched it where like just the light went

1087
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.079
off or the light turned on in my brain and

1088
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:39.360
was like, I get it. I know what this is

1089
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:40.039
about it.

1090
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.559
Yeah, a masterclass once you. And that's the thing. It's

1091
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.079
like he was just always ahead of the audience. And

1092
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:50.400
that's what I can still put in one of his

1093
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.239
movies and be like, get something new out of it

1094
01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:57.199
every time. Every time, you just have to do it,

1095
01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:59.679
like there's there's more there, There's more there. You gotta dig,

1096
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:00.320
dig dig.

1097
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:06.039
This film deals in ambiguity, but I don't think there's

1098
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.239
any ambiguity about how we feel about the film. We

1099
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.480
both are recommending this one, right Brad, Oh yeah, yeah,

1100
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:14.840
I gotta. I gotta believe that you own a copy.

1101
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:16.239
Uh yeah.

1102
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:19.840
I have every Stanley Kubrick movie on physical media.

1103
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:24.000
I've got the Blu ray of this loaded with extras.

1104
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:27.960
But Brad, we got a we got a Criterion four

1105
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.920
K coming out. We we're gonna have to pick this up,

1106
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:31.239
aren't we.

1107
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.280
Yeah. That's one of those that choice I would love

1108
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.760
to have, but it's it's not on my absolute must

1109
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.679
have right now. I mean, I think eventually all the

1110
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:47.159
most of the films from Kubrick will eventually go to Criterion.

1111
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:49.360
I mean The Killing and Pas the Glory that I have,

1112
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.960
those are both Criterions. You know, I think Barry Lyndon's Criterion,

1113
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:56.880
and uh, I think they'll all eventually get on that list.

1114
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:59.719
But eventually, you know, I got the rest of my

1115
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:01.599
life to get that, and that'll be one cool thing.

1116
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.519
In like ten to fifteen years, it'll be like, all right,

1117
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:07.440
the Criterion version of you know, Eyes Wide Shut. You

1118
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:08.719
know it's a new experience.

1119
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.400
Well, Brad, I don't know about you, but uh, I

1120
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:13.880
want to get I gotta I gotta get ready for

1121
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:17.000
a party. I still have to go go fun, still

1122
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:18.400
go out. I still have to find my cloak in

1123
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:23.360
my hood. So, listeners, what do you think of Eyes

1124
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:26.840
Wide Shut? Have you seen it? Is it a divisive

1125
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:29.199
film for you? Is it a non traditional Christmas movie?

1126
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.639
It is, Brad. There's Christmas lights and trees and music

1127
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.079
all through the whole movie, So we're calling it Christmas movie.

1128
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.119
But listeners, let us know. On social media. You'll find

1129
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:41.119
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1130
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.639
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1131
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.079
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1132
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.400
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1133
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.719
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1134
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:56.960
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1135
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:01.719
the show and send you some of and by swag. Brad,

1136
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.920
I gotta say, man, Uh what a way to kick

1137
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.559
off the month of December. Uh what a gift. Brad

1138
01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:13.679
Kozo returns, Yeah to a Film by Podcast and uh, man,

1139
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.840
I know listen, I know for our Patreon members, this

1140
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.599
is no surprise to our Patreon members. They got to

1141
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:23.440
hear you. Uh last month you joined film at fifty.

1142
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:28.119
You guys did uh Cuckoo's Nest, which was just brilliant,

1143
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.119
and uh you got I know you got to you

1144
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.199
go one or two other episodes happening in this this month.

1145
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:34.639
But yeah, you gotta go back with those guys one

1146
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:35.880
more time too, aren't you doing? Uh?

1147
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.199
I think we're doing three days of a condor. I'm

1148
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:41.519
just yeah, waiting when they uh want to do it. Uh,

1149
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:45.000
I'm game. I'm ready to watch it whenever. So yeah,

1150
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.119
I and I love that movie too, so that that's

1151
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:50.920
definitely one I want to do. But yeah, it's it's

1152
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.519
good to be back and have you know, a couple

1153
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:57.599
of years to re educate my brain in film too,

1154
01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.800
and I built up a lot of stuff I wanted

1155
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:00.760
to talk about.

1156
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.239
So I was like, oh my god, hey, we're we're

1157
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:06.639
we're wrapping up season season six here, so we're we're

1158
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:08.920
still young. You've got you've got plenty of time, all

1159
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:12.800
right to give those ideas out. So listeners to all

1160
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:18.039
of you out there, following us on social media, subscribing

1161
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:23.519
to our Patreon, subscribing to the YouTube channel, listening to

1162
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:31.760
the show, we thank you. M m m m m