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Space the Final Frontier. These are
the voyages of Strange New Wednesdays, It's

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continuing mission to explore episodes of Strange
New Worlds, to seek out new information

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and new discussions, to boldly go
where no podcast has gone before. Hello

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everyone, and welcome back to Strange
New Wednesdays, where we continue to talk

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everything about the current season of Star
Trek Strange New Worlds. Once again Red

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Alert, please be a warm spoilers
or ahead, so if you haven't seen

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this week's episode, please stop,
go watch it and then come back to

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join us. I am David Burns, I am Chief Engineer mister Scott,

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and I'm Wayne whited Scott. Welcome
back from your away mission. We missed

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you last episode. I missed it, but you guys did a great job

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last week and I can't wait to
dive into this one. Yeah me too.

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So today we are discussing season two, Episode two, add Astra Perth

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Barrio through Hardships to the Stars.
What does that mean you guys? I

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was kind of surprised to learn that
it's the state motto of Kansas. I

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think it's kind of telling. I
didn't see any kind of connection of Kansas

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to Star Trek. I'm sure there's
something. Feel free to put comments in

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um, but no. I thought
that was kind of interesting, But I

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think it gives a lot of depth
to this episode. It really does.

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Yeah, Wayne, can you give
us a quick recap of this episode?

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Yeah. Arrested for concealing her identity
as an Illyrian, the Enterprise's first officer,

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Una chen Riley is placed on court
martial for violating Starfleet's anti genetic modification

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laws as her commanding officer and friend, Captain Pike, travels to Ilaria to

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recruit her an attorney who also shares
past history of Una and plans on using

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the trial for her own personal purposes. The case seems straightforward Commander Chin Riley

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violated the law and philossil flated her
application to Starfleet, living a twenty five

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year long lie, but as the
trial progresses, it seems like her transgressions

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may bring the fall of others she
cares for, most concluding Captain Pike.

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Nice. So, gentlemen, this
was a very heavy, serious episode.

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Yeah. You didn't have any fighting
or major special effects. This was an

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emotional drama driven in courtroom fight in
a damn good one. I want to

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add, Yeah, it was a
gripping episode. I mean, a lot

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of the courtroom episodes are thinking like
you mentioned last time, Measure of a

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Man, the Drumhead, a lot
of those episodes really draw you in and

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dive deep into the drama, and
this is no different. I think this

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is one of the best courtroom episodes
we've had in Trek. Yeah, I

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would agree with that. I agree
too. Um. You know, this

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actually brought a lot of memories to
the original series episode Court Martial. There

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were a lot of similarities to it. Really, this is perfect Star Trek.

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All the shows have court shows,
and this could because this could have

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been written for any of the series, it would fall in perfectly. It's

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It's a typical but perfect Star Trek
episode. Yeah, you know, we

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get some really good character development in
this episode. You know, we really

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get to know you know, a
lot more than we ever have. But

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besides her, we got introduced to
a wonderful new character. And you know

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I'm talking about Niam played e Tide. I believe her name is pronounced Ea

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Tied Badaki Badaki. I believe today
did um. She was out standing in

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this episode. I mean I hung
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mouth, and when she basically used
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when she was put you know,
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questions. Um, you know,
she just went after her because she wanted

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to get the correct answer from her. Who you know, who turns you

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in? And you know, she
kept saying and finally she's that I did,

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and then she's why did you do
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details only to get those answers because
of what she was going to present to

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the court later on, basically turning
Starfleet's rules upon themselves, which I thought

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was incredible. Yeah, I don't
mind saying I was in tears. Yeah

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when that, when that revelation happened, My first thought was, oh God,

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she did this herself to protect her
crew. But it was so much

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more than that, and it was
just layers and layers and layers. Yeah,

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it just uh, even even Rebecca
Romain, her performance in this was

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phenomenal, guys. Oh yeah,
I mean when she was, you know,

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answering those questions and she was explaining
what had happened to her, what

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had happened to her family, it
was heartbreaking and so much in this episode

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is stuff that's going on in this
world, in this society right now.

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You know, it has a lot
to do what's going on, and just

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listening to being persecuted and you know, not being able to get the health,

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the medical help that you need because
your family is scared. It was

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just, man, it was just
your right, Scott. I mean it

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pros and tears. No, it
absolutely did. I think you're bringing up

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two of the actresses that just shone
so brightly, even though there there are

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some other stars in here that did
so well, but absolutely their their dynamic

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as both former friends and as illyrians
with different experiences, you know, those

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who were able to hide versus those
who weren't. And when you hear that

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backstory, when you hear the kind
of the crushing details behind it and all

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of it has laid bare in a
courtroom, it was intense, absolutely,

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and I completely agree. A.
T. D did an amazing job in

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this role, both as a lawyer
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thought her introduction with Pike was one
of my favorite moments, absolutely stand out,

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and she she was so I don't
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in that courtroom when she you know, she interviews Admiral April and uses that

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as a platform to say, like, this is wrong. You guys defy

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your own prime directive on a regular
basis. Yet you're not wanting to do

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this, even though that became an
attack on April. Very necessary and when

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you see how she uses that at
the end to perfectly wrap that up.

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I go back to Laon's line,
which I thought was great, where she

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was like, why do I feel
like I just get hit by a shuttle?

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I feel like that several times?
And on a second viewing, it

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occurred to me that Nia understood that
in that moment when Laon is giving her

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the book and saying, you know, kind of giving her that I guess

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prop I don't know if that's the
right word to kind of make her point

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about asylum. It was just so
masterfully done, and I didn't understand it

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at that moment, and I was
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here? Yeah, star Starfleet's biggest
problem was because of the genetic thing and

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because it was of the eugenics War. Do you have anything on that?

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Yeah? The Eugenic Swars, which
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Supposedly it was fought between nineteen ninety
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we're actually already passed that time.
So uh, you know, star Trekers

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really went away from current our true
current history. But apparently during the Cold

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War, the scientists attempted to improve
human race using selective breeding and genetic engineering

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to create a racist superman. They
called Augments. That that was what they

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were called. They rose to power, They dominated the earth over in the

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early nineteen nineties. They were led
by a man named Khan Nunion saying who

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he ruled the Earth with an iron
fist. But eventually humanity rose up against

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them and defeated the Augments. And
but the war, which lasted four years,

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brought the deaths of tens of millions
of people on Earth, but we

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won, and Cohn and about eighty
of his men were they just suddenly disappeared.

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Nobody knew what happened to him.
But then later a few years later,

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in twenty twenty four, man named
doctor Adams Song he he brought a

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ward a new eugenics warm and actually
brought to Earth into World War three.

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And that is where the band for
Geenetic Manipulation of on Earth. Started.

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It was after that they said no
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then later on that band continued on
into Starfleet. Well that's interesting. I

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didn't really know that about Adam song. Was that part of one of the

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other series, Yeah, that was
part of the final season season four.

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Was one of the main stories in
season four of Enterprise. Okay, okay,

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oh right, friends, Blinderprises are
all there, right, Yes,

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that's right, Yeah, yeah,
I remember that notes. Yeah, So,

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I mean, you see why it
was such a big legal battle for

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you know, for them in this
but when you know, he ate a

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way when you're eight away at it
and basically turn it completely upside down on

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them about the prime directive and you
know, all of those kind of things

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of you know, accepting people who
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You know, the Federation of Plans
were supposed to be there for that.

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It's arfully supposed to be there for
that. And how near it just

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turned that upside down was just jaw
dropping. Man, I've loved that.

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That's the best part of the episode
of my opinion. Yeah, I mean,

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it's a it's a fascinating um it's
a fascinating part of the series.

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Getting into the genetically engineered people,
you know, going all the way back

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to you know Cohn from Wrath of
Cohn obviously, but getting into enterprise like

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you said, and then, Um, I think Doctor Basher in DS nine

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went through what I feel like as
a similar story with doctor Basher. I

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presume when he when we find out
that he himself was genetically engineered by his

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parents, and there's that kind of
struggle about him, you know, them

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doing so because they felt like he
wasn't good enough that he was, you

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know, that he was struggling academically
and athletically and things like that. Similarities

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here where you've got somebody who you
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It's not something she was choosing to
do something it was to her when she

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was a child, right. Um, it's such a great callback to season

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one, Um I Forget in the
Name of the is a Ghost of Illyria

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um where Laon and Una get into
a fight and you hear Laan kind of

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spit the word augment at her.
Yeah, She's like, I've lived with

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my all my life augment, everybody
calling me augment and it's kind of like,

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oh my god, Like you see
the pain of that that is that

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is forced with people that live with
it, whether they choose to be part

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of it or not. It's really
interesting. I think um Nia had another

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great line where she had all I
think the entire arc with her in Lawn

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was fascinating. Um where she says, you know they've been telling you that

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there's a monster hiding in I do
there is? There is not right.

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It's because she has that last name
doesn't mean that she's predestined to, you

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know, rise up and take over
anything else like that. Exactly their individual

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decisions such a powerful angle to take
with this, yere so um. I

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mean, any favorite moments in this
episode. I think we've mentioned a few

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of them, but there are quite
a few, because I mean some of

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the characters really got some great moments. They were little, but that's what

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Star Trek is bringing out character moments. You know, Pike when he would

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threatened to affixiate himself just to get
to be able to talk to the way

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or a What a great character moment
for him. And then also you're refusing

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to give over the personal logs that
I like that too. I liked her

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standing up for what she felt was
right. M and then as you said,

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Lan, you know, she's facing
her own family history, the name

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that she has to bear, and
the problems that come with it. So

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I just love I love character moments. That's what Star Trek is to me.

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Yeah, there are so many good
ones in this one, Scott,

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what about you? Wayne named off
so many and there are so many.

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There are the one that I want
to kind of fixate on a little bit.

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Um. I guess it isn't necessarily
a moment as much of that mini

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mystery that was woven within this when
we were trying to figure out who would

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have done this, and they didn't
lean into it too much, but you

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could see how much that was weighing
on Laan that she thought it was her

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personal log that was somehow you know, stolen and used to do this.

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I don't know about you two,
but I did not see it coming until

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she admitted that it was her.
But in that in that moment when Nia

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and Laan are speaking to each other
and she's like, who stands to benefit

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from it? And I was like, I have number one, I have

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no idea who would ever won a
betray una, especially if the core crew,

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But I have no idea who would
benefit and then it hits you like

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a shuttle. I just love that. Yeah, there's so many moments in

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this episode that I just would just
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obviously we can't. But one of
the ones that I really loved to was

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the reverse effect when Vice Admiral Possk, he's the vulcan who was the other

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lawyer that was trying to you know, get her, you know, court

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martialed, when he turned the whole
conversation onto Pike when he asked her the

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question when did your captain? When
was your captain aware of this? And

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she kept pausing, and then they
went to you like different reaction shots of

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the crew because they're sitting on the
ship watching the trial on Tito, which,

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by the way, guys, I
thought that was incredible too. We're

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getting to see in the court,
but we're also getting to see the crew

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watching the court going on, you
know, from this ship. I thought

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that was a nice touch. But
then just seeing the facial react actions,

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especially if Pike when he was really
like, oh rap, you know this

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is going to turn into a conspiracy, which is exactly where he was going

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with it, and you know,
she couldn't lie, so she had to

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tell the truth, and I just
thought that was just an incredible perportance on

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the reaction shots from everybody, but
even the reactions from when Nia was turning

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it on Starfleet. If you watch
the lawyers, watch the judges, they

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knew they were had. If you
watch their facial reactions, they're like a

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little ton of smirks were going on. They were like, oh, corrept

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Shee's goddess idea. I just thought
that was so good. But the montage

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of the crew when they were on
the witness stand and they were cutting back

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and forth and they were getting their
responses of what Una meant to them,

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I thought that was fantastic. Yeah, there was a there was a great

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Easter egg in there that I'm not
sure how many people call it, but

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when Spock says he's asked if there
was something that he thought Una was hiding,

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and he was like, yes,
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I forgot that. That was in
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tracks where they're stuck in a turbo
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Listeners, go back and look for
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that. It is a great subplot, especially the triple episode. M but

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that was a fun watch to really
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characters to call on. You've got
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and you've also got on Um and
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a great litany of witnesses to call
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little continuity connections that they put during
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first of all, the new dress
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very similar to the original series.
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cards that they throw in the little
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and then we also saw yeah,
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courtroom that Una had her hand on
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is exactly what Captain Perk had in
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So wasn't there I'm gonna ask for
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me here. Um the Menagerie episode, Yeah, that was the two parter

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where they basically did the flashback with
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that's the one that showed the scenes
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it was also a courtroom episode two. Right. I think that's kind

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of an interesting tie. You know, you see a lot of those same

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elements used here. Um, and
it's another one where it's a it's an

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officer playing against type um and delivering
a great performance. Absolutely so well,

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I'm pretty sure we'd probably gonna know
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do you think shine the most in
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yeah, definitely hers, the number
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episode. Last week we had Spot, this week we had her. But

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really, I mean, all of
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They all had fantastic performances. So, you know, bravo to all of

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the cast. The chemistry on this
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Yes, I'm feeling next generation level
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good. Um Mine's gonna be Near
with when on Una. I thought she

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was incredible in this and it's a
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just was over the top. And
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is the first time I've seen her. I know she was like an American

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Gods and some other television stuff.
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blew me away. Man. I
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the most in this episode, both
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think it's an Emy worthy performance.
I think it's an absolute crime if they

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don't at least get nominated for this. I loved seeing that Yetide was a

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big Star Trek fan and she's been
aching to get onto this show, and

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what a way to enter it with
a character of Niram. I wanted to

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ask, Yeah, absolutely, I
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because I wanted to know I do
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find one that was a little bit
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Latan. I love her arc.
I think it was a really interesting choice

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to have somebody of the Nunian sing
bloodline on the crew and to carry through

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what she's kind of going through and
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struggles with being called an augment.
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different names that Una has been called, and the persecution that she went through.

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You get more depth into what Laon
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life, in her own Starfleet career. You know, I'm pretty sure that

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people know that she has a background
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engineered lineage, and she has maybe
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be hidden. And the guilt that
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first time that I've seen that that
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of stammering and unsure for somebody who
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was one of the early episodes when
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to blend in with with that planet. I forget what it was, and

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she refused the pain medication and she
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and she was like, I don't
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A character like that to see kind
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fascinating, and I love the fact
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little bit in this too. Well. I'm probably gonna think what your answer

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is for the next episode. I
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ask, But if you could be
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be? Scott? Uh? And
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I'd know more about how she's feeling about

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the trial and the events leading up
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if we had a little miniso that
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flashbacks, or if somebody wouldn't to
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that'd be fascinating. Wayne, what
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want to be one of the judges
because all those churches went through so much

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emotional turmoil that I wouldn't want to
go through that. So I'd rather just

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be able to sit there, watch
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and then go home. Yep,
David, what about you? For me?

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It's spock surprisingly enough, with the
exception of his heated conversation he had

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with Vice at which I'm sorry for
that, um mean, and being put

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on the witness stand, but you
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and watch, you know, in
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to be, you know, basically
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yeah, absolutely, So, um, looks like the next episode is tomorrow

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and tomorrow and tomorrow. Um,
looks like we get to see Captain Kirk

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again, is what it is?
What it looks like leon as a Scott

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was just talking about, looks like
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might be her episode to shine some
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think we're going to get from from
what I've seen a couple stills, there's

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uh, seems like there's good dynamics
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also made me think, so if
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it might be that we're getting into
a fun episode, possibly some alternate

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timeline kind of things. Um.
I do wonder if we're going to see

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a little bit of Carol Kane's engineer
I hope so twentieth century Earth in this.

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I think she knocked it out of
the park. What a yeah for

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an engineer lover lover Ye, yeah, she definitely feels that feels the shoes

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of any from Scottie, you know, and all that. I love her,

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love her so much. I cannot
wait to see more. Yeah,

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and I'm glad to see that Jim
Kirk character come back. That actor did

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such a great job in that season
one finale. It's great to see him

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coming back and having fun with the
So what do you think it's gonna happen

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next, guys. I think we're
going to get into lighter territory a little

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bit. I think we're going to
get law On In in a position of

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leadership with this one definitely taking center
stage, but not focused on you know,

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her her past with genetic engineering or
her past on the Gorn or anything

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else like that. Um. I
think it's interesting. We'll see a little

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bit of a different dynamic as far
as if Captain Pike wasn't there, who

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would be in the crew. And
it's not just Jim Kirk in the chair,

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but it's a couple of other changes
that I think will be an interesting

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dynamic. Right, We've we've been
hit so much, especially with this dis

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courtroom drama was so heavy, I
think, and we've got the crew back

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together again. I think we're gonna
start seeing those single episodes again for a

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little bit, you know, where
we're exploring and having some fun stuff.

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I think we're going to see the
little bit before we go back into the

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coming war with the Gorns and stuff
like that. So I feel that's where

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I'm going waining you. Oh,
I agree, with both of you.

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I think we're going to continue the
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We're definitely gonna get into the light, lighthearted territory. We know that's coming

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up. But yeah, I'm as
for the full storyline, I'm not really

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not sure where the season is going
to be going or where we're going to

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end up, but I'm looking forward
to seeing it. It's gonna be fun,

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man, It's gonna be fun.
I cannot wait. Yeah, especially

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with last week with the Klingons and
the Gorn. Ye, so many fun

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things to do. Yeah, and
again talking about this crew, how the

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chemistry is just incredible with them.
I cannot wait to go on further adventures

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with them. I just can't wait. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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