Strange New Wednesdays - Hegemony

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everyone, and welcome back to Strange
New Wednesdays. Or we continue to talk

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everything about the current season A star
trek Strange New Worlds once again Red alert.

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Please be warned. Spoilers our heads, So if you haven't seen this

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week's episode, please stop, go
watch it and then come back to join

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us. I am David Burns,
Scott Hoffman, and I'm Wayne Whited.

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Today we are discussing season two,
episode ten, season finale, Hegemony Gentlemen,

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the Gorner Back. But before we
get into that, Wayne, can

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you give us a recap of this
episode? Sure. The USS Cayuga on

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a resupply mission to Parnassus Beta is
taken by surprise during an attack on the

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colony by the Gorn. The Cayuga
is destroyed and what's little of the crew

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has survived or trapped on the colony, including Captain Pottell. Captain Pakeke immediately

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wants to come to the rescue only
to be told by Starfleet that the borders

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have changed and Parnassus Beta now sits
in Gorn territory, and he is ordered

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not to cross over and potentially start
a war. Nevertheless, Pike mounts a

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rescue mission to the surface, where
he finds Captain Patell alive, meets a

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stranded Scottish engineer, and thousands of
Gorn young lings surround him. Meanwhile,

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Spok in the Enterprise attempt to use
the wreckage of the Kayuga to knock out

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the Gorns jamming signal and beat the
landing party and survivors off the surface,

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but Spot discovers that Christine Chappell has
survived the attack and is trapped on board

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and comes into first contact with an
adult Gorn out to kill both of them.

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It's the season finale blockbuster, complete
with thrilling action, spectacular special effects,

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and an ending that will keep us
guessing for months to come. Yeah,

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good old cliffhangers, you got to
love them. I remember the days

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when I was a kid. You
got there the Cliffhangers at the end of

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the season. You had to wait
all summer. Oh do you remember best

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of both worlds? And that cliff
This reminded me most of that and the

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agony of having to wait three months
for the conclusion and not the guessing,

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not knowing what's going to go on. It's going to be the same here,

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but I have a feeling we might
have a longer wait and we'll get

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into that. Yeah, a little
bit longer waited. Let it tell you

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what. I love the Gorn episodes. I know we've only had what two

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of them? Yeah, I know. Last year season one, All Those

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Who Wonder was a really really good
episode and this one was just the same.

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I love the fact that they treat
the Gorn as the like these monsters

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right now, and the episodes feel
like Alien, the Alien movie. You

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know. I love that so much
about it. Yeah, this is our

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third time seeing them. We had
All Those who Wander obviously with you know.

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Unfortunately that's when we said goodbye to
Hemmer Memento Mori. Oh that's right,

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it did in season one on Memorial
Day. Yeah, brilliant. And

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yeah, we get we get a
lot more depth into the Gourden here,

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right. We get to see them
using technology, We get to see some

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of their behavioral instincts kind of expanded
on here. Sam Kirk talking about them

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having certain responses to solar flares.
Uh. And of course, speaking of

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the Alien movies, I love the
Alien three moment when one of the Gorn

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gets right in Bettel's face and stops
yep because she's carrying and oh. I

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was just like, oh no,
oh god. Yeah. As soon as

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that happened, I knew that man
goodbye Betel. Yeah, I really really

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hope they you know, aside from
the fact that I think Captain Bettell's a

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great character, I think that actress
does a phenomenal job. I really hope

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this isn't saying goodbye to her.
Obviously. It's a very It's the most

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tense moment Pike has ever had to
go through. Right, Bettel is in

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sick Bay carrying and she's at the
end of the gestation cycle. He's got

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some key crew members held in a
Gorn ship and everybody's attacking him. Start

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that he's saying to take off,
and if he does, he says goodbye

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to them. I thought it was
very interesting to see that moment of heightened

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tension with Pike, and very interesting
that both season finales we've seen Pike end

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with a look directly into the camera. I don't know if you notice that.

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Yeah, you know, speaking of
going back a little bit about the

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Gorn, we're seeing them use technology
now. You know, at first,

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we know, we thought that there
were these monsters, these mindless creatures,

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but they're not. They're intelligent,
you know, I mean, clearly they're

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intelligent because they've got ships. But
we're starting to see more to that.

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And it's a race that we haven't
really seen hardly anything at all. It's

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never been explored. It's not like
you know, the Klingons or the Romulans.

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You know, we know nothing about
it. We saw it, saw

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them once back in nineteen sixty seven, and that's it. We we have

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no idea about this. They've got
a blank slate to play with the Salient

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Race, to do anything, to
create a whole new race and background and

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everything. And I've always wondered about
the Gorn, you know, we've never

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got to mention at all whatever happened
to them in the future. Well,

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you know, there was never mentioned
in Next Generation or anything. The only

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time we ever saw them was on
the Enterprise, which of course that takes

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place before this series. But I'm
glad that we're exploring this race that we

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know nothing about. Would it be
fair to say that this is a strange

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New World's board. Yes, I
agree. This is going to be the

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main villain, the main enemy for
the Enterprise for Pike in them. Yeah,

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yeah, I think so too.
I know. One of the moments

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that I really appreciated was when Pike
realized that there he couldn't cross that border

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and he knew Batel and that crew
was on the other side of that.

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The look on his face that he
got when, you know, telling everybody

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to the ready room. You knew
what was coming. You know, there's

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no way he was going to stay
and hold back and not go after a

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rescue. No way. Well,
and we had talked last time about the

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you know that the idea of Captain
being emotionally compromised, right the Admiral had

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said, you know, are we
good? Can they killing you to hold

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that together? And this definitely stretches
that to limit. Absolutely it does.

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I thought the c GINUS episode was
incredible, fantastic. It's one of the

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things I really appreciate about where we're
at now with streaming services and stuff like

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that, that episodes of TV shows
have equaled motion picture when it comes to

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CGI and stuff like that, and
I just was in all the entire time

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of this episode for that. Yeah, it's it's definitely one of the more

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cinematic episodes for sure. I think
we could have had this as a two

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parter on the big screen, Yeah, which wouldn't be a bad thing,

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you know, if we could have
it maybe premier with like you know,

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buying tickets and you get to see
it with the group. I've got a

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shout out to Legacy Effects, the
company behind the Gordon. So if you,

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if you have a chance, watch
the Ready Room. I think I'm

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always pushing the Ready Room, but
it is a great look behind the scenes.

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The puppetry and the practical effects work
that they do that's combined with the

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CG is astonishing. You'll learn about
how this group used to work with stan

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Winston Studios. They design a lot
of the special effects, if not all

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the special effects for Strange New Worlds, and just some of the nuances they

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put into it, like they when
they We've seen several stages of the Gorn.

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We've seen the babies, we've seen
the adolescents. Now we've seen an

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adult. We've seen the larva or
whatever you call it. When they kind

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of emerge from someone. They've designed
each of those puppets, each of those

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rigs, each of those body rigs, and apparently when they were designing the

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Gorn, they reverse engineered from an
adult. So even though the first ones

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that we've seen were the larva and
the babies, they always had the adult

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in mind with each of those designs. And the one that you see,

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good god, the massive presence of
that adult Gorn. I think the name

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of the performers were Insurer that plays
the adult Goren' that's a massive suit.

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Like when you see the episode,
it's one hundred pound rig on the person's

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head, all manner of articulation and
design. It's just absolutely beautiful and terrified.

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Quite a change from a man in
a rubber, rubber costume like we

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saw it in back in sixty seven. Yeah, that whole sequence when they

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were fighting on the bridge like that
was just incredible, man. You know

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when they lost a pistol and Chapel
was going after it and oh my gosh,

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that was just so intense and so
well done. Yeah, just reaching

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out and barely catching at the fingertips. Yeah, magnetic book catches her.

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Just it was so good I loved
it. Well, one thing I really

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want to talk about. I had
a conversation a few weeks ago and we

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were just talking about, what do
you think they're going to start introducing some

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of the other original crew members to
strange new worlds, and lo and behold,

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we get Mountgomery Scott go up,
big surprise. I was like,

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holy as soon as he started speaking, like, please tell me this is

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Scotty, Please tell me this is
Scotty. And sure enough it was played

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by Martin Quinn. I gotta say, and I've called them out before in

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this series. The casting department knocks
it out of the park every damn time.

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Yes, spot on perfect. Yeah, we get a Scottish Scotty and

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I thought he was he knocked out
of the park man. I just I

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want more of him, and clearly
we're going to get more of him because

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we know how this episode ends.
So I can't wait to get more of

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that. And I love the fact, you know that everybody was calling him,

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you know, Scott and stuff like
that until we see a palea who

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runs into him, you know,
to help him out, and causing Scotty

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like, yes, there we go, you know, saying that he was

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her best student. Did she really
mean that because she knows what she's done

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before. Yeah, Although it was
interesting, She's like, you're my one

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of my best students with the worst
grades. It was like, that's an

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interesting dynamic. I think the way
they're exploring the entire engineering department is fascinating,

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absolutely fascinating. I'm looking forward to
seeing the dynamic between Scotty and Ahura,

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who has you know, a lot
of interest, a lot of connection

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to the engineering department. I think
they've got some great things to do here.

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I can't I can't wait to explore
that in season three. And we'll

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talk a little bit that here at
the end of this episode of what we

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can expect and stuff like that.
You know, you gotta you gotta feel

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sorry for Alan, she's a prisoner
again for crying out loud to the gorn.

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Really you gotta do this to this
character all over again. Wow.

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I when they got beamed up there
at the end, I'm like, all

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right, everybody's getting saved until you
found out what exactly happened and you're like,

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oh crap. But then we may
be in for next season when they

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start exploring that, you know,
last last episode or not last episode.

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Two episodes ago we got to see
the Benga and how he had to deal

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with with his PTSD with Klingons for
making an episode with her having to deal

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with hers with the Gorn, and
I really would like to see that episode.

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I think there'd be fantastic. I
think that'll be an episode that's all

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center on her and it will really
give that actress something something very dramatic too.

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To actor chops Off, yeah nothing
so too. Well, let's let's

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talk about some of her favorite moments, Scott, do you have any uh?

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Yeah, I mean you know one
that's kind of non Gorn related,

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but Ortegas finally gets her away mission
finally, it's with a little bit of

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trepidation, like why did I sign
up for this? I loved the flying

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flaming rock into the planet moment when
everybody's just like you gonna pull up,

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you canna pull up, you canna
pull up, and you get that final

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swoop over the tree line I thought
was great. I think kind of a

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similar idea basically steering the saucer section
of the Cayuga. That was a brilliant

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plan that was just fraught with tension, like when when Spot kind of floats

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past the window, and she and
chapels like banging on the window like spok

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Spock and can't get him. So
much great use of atmosphere in there,

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very much an alien the first Alien
movie kind of environment. There was great

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to see. Aside from everything we've
mentioned about the Gorn, I've got a

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shout out to Sam Kirk his work
as a xenobiologist to help understand them.

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I think it's going to be so
if I'm not mistaken that the crew that

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was beamed up to the Gorn ship
includes Laon, a Benga, and sam

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am I forgetting anybody, not that
I can. That's correct. So it's

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interesting to see that triad. When
you've got Sam who was able to understand

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that they had a reaction to light
that that triggered some kind of a feasting

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instinct. So we'll get him get
to or take us I'm sorry, oh

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yeah, getting to you know,
understand like how are they working, What

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are some things that we know about
other species that might help us figure out

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the Gorn. You've got Laon,
who has a great arc of somebody who

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went from the hostage to someone who's
in more of a position of power.

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She can use her history with the
Gorn to help them escape, help them

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figure some things out. She finally
gets to take out of Gordon, So

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that's got to feel satisfying to a
certain degree. You've got a Benga who

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is probably going to have to help
treat if anybody gets infected with the Gordon,

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if they get eggs in them,
and then Ortega's kind of think we're

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probably going to get to see her
piloting a Gorn hunter ship or something like

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that to get back. That would
be fantasy, would Wayne? What about

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you? Well, let me first
start off by talking about something we've we've

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barely even mentioned this season, and
it really deserves a shout out here.

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The musical score. Nammy Melamad,
that's her name. Earlier year she won

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the David Raskin Award for a New
Talent and on her work for Stranger in

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World season one, she's really his
shine this season with her music. One

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of the biggest issues I've had with
New Star Trek, with Discovery, with

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the card and this show is that
the current style of sound mixes that they

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have kind of takes brings the music
into the background and it hides behind the

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dialogue and the sound effects. But
every now and then the soundtrack will come

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out, you know, and then
I'll listen to him like, well,

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this music is great. You know, why why didn't I hear this?

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But this episode she had a lot
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effects and the dialogue and and let
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and it it really helped that there
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director had planned out where she could
give it a powerful underscore. She really

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channeled James Horner with this episode.
I heard a lot of his style,

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and rightfully so, since you know, it was obvious that this episode was

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influenced by aliens. Yeah, and
you know, that actually brings me to

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my first Easter egg for this episode
that I noticed, And it just happened

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to be perfect timing because I've been
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I've been listening to the scores for
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that were released from Lalla Land Records
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few differently. It was about three
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Arena and when in this episode,
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clouds at the beginning of the episode, Melman, she quotes a few bars

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of the Gorn theme from Arena in
her score. And this is something I

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would never have noticed. I would
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But I've just been listening to these
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I thought, well, that sounds
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I listened to it. I listened
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there spot On. It's great that
she she did something like that, a

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little bit of a connection. And
then there wasn't very many easter eggs are

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continuity things in this episode, but
I did see they had the new Assault

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phasers for the Gorn. They had
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vibe to those through the later phasers. But I do want to mention that

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I have a continuity boo boo that
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He smashes the face shill and exposes
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But it in the Star Trek Enterprise
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it's established it that Gorn can survive
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this doesn't bother me. I love
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I'm not bound by them. If
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no problem with that. I just
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that maybe didn't catch that, or
the viewers it did, and let them

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decide whether they like it or not, whether they want to discuss it.

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that's going deep. But good call
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going back to meeting Scotti for the
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such a great thing to see because
I didn't expect it this season at all

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to meet anybody else of the original
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hold off on season three. So
the fact that we got that nice little

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treat at the end of this season
and knowing that we're going to get more

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just gets me giddy deep down,
because I'm very excited about that at all.

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But I also want to talk about
the one scene when they were talking

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about with Una and they were talking
about the sending the saucer section down,

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you know, and she came up
with that when Pala looks at Palea looks

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to her. So well, if
you would have come up with answers like

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that in school, you would got
an ay. I thought that was wonderful,

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nice touch between those two characters.
You know, they're still bringing that

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out between the two of them,
that underlying like whatever. You know.

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Loved it, loved it. So
which characters do you think shine the most?

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Wayne? Well, you know,
I was going to say Pike because

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he had a lot to do,
and Anson mounted an incredible job showing the

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tension and the horror of everything.
But I'm actually going to give this Montgomery

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Scott. It was such a great
surprise if they were able to keep secrets.

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And I think Quinn m Martin Quinn
plays played the character brilliantly and he

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even looks like a very young James
Dowan to me. I hope that they

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keep him on the show. I
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least a reoccurring character in the upcoming
seasons. And I'm sure the producers have

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plans for him in the future.
They wouldn't have introduced him now if they

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didn't. I like him. I
like his character, and I'm glad they

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introduced him here in this episode.
Absolutely, Scotty, what about you mean,

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stay mister Scott. It is absolutely
my choice too. I think it's

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a great introduction to the character that
doesn't give me the sense that, oh,

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well, now that mister Scott's on
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ahead and hand over the keys,
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I think it's a great idea to
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role if he happens to join the
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but I can see a lot of
what was hinted at in his first

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appearance happening on the ship, where
he takes certain things and jury rigs them

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certain ways, and it's not supposed
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I kind of, you know,
filled with this and plugged it into this

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and also the kind of stuff and
a lot of experimentation, a lot of

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using the imagination and engineering and doing
things that probably should blow us all up,

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but it's actually going to work out
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so clever to use the tension of
the scene to introduce him, because I

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thought for sure they were going to
get caught in a Gordon trap at first,

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and then he kind of steps out
and he's like, oh, sorry

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about that, let me turn it
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just nuances like that. He's got
a great character that seems like it has

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a lot of potential, and I'm
glad to see him introduced. It was

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that gasped too soon as he spoke
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I think it is? Oh?
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very excited. What about you?
So I will agree with both of

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you on Montgomery Scott. That was
just incredible. But I want to give

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a Hoffman answer. I want to
give it to the entire team. I

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thought everybody did an incredible job in
this episode. Everyone pulled their own weight.

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Their performances were fantastic. Each character
had something to do. Each character

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had an important thing to do.
Uh in this episode. You know,

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it was well developed in that area, and without any of them it would

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have have fallen apart. So I
definitely say it's the entire team for this

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episode. For me, that's a
mega Hoffman answer. It is. But

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it's a good choice, very good. They were all were fantastic. Yeah,

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they sure were. So if you
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who would it have been? Why
Scott? Mister Scott. I mean,

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he's had such a and I'm thinking
back before the episode when he's leaving

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what was it the Stardiver, the
ship that he was on before this episode

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that was attacked by the Gordon Just
to kind of, you know, I

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guess I'm going to be kind of
like a fly on the wall to see,

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you know, what he comes up
with, how he acts in a

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crisis situation, and how he's able
to get through it with apparently a very

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good attitude. He should be so
much more traumatized based on you know,

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what's happened to him losing an entire
crew and having to run away from this,

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you know, bloodthirsty pack of monsters. Really, so yeah, I

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just love to see how he responds
to you to these situations. Nice Well.

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I chose Erica Ortigas because I love
Star Trek shuttles. I love the

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designs of all of them, from
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the next generation there. They're sleek, they're speedy, and some them are

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damn comfortable, like the Das nine
runabouts, and they look like so much

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fun to pilots and they take us. She not only does she finally get

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to go on her away mission that
was promised, but she pilots that shuttle

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with perfect skill and finesse and and
she got to scare the hell out of

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everyone on board, which and she
had a lot of fun doing it.

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So I could look on her face. Oh, I couldn't imagine it.

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Just I think I would love to
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she was like, I thought you

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were a test pilot and he was
like, I was as tense. Yeah,

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David, what about you? I'm
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You know. Sure she was working
hard, you know, but she

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was safe on the enterprise and provide
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So I definitely want to go with
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of her. I still feel like
we got a little cheated with her.

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I wanted to briefly mention that too, you know, I was rather surprised

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on how little we saw of her, and when we did, it was

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just popping in for seen. Did
any of you get the same Dinan vibes

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with character? Absolutely. That's I
wonder if that was their original intention all

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this time with her, or could
be were they planning on doing more?

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know that that leads us into our
next little topic here. You know,

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we can't really talk about what's the
next episode because well we don't have a

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next episode until for a while.
Anyway, you know this this gave us

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that to be continued. Of course, I knew it was coming, we

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all knew it was coming, and
in sure enough it happened. So what

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do we think is going to happen
in the upcoming season three? Well,

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I think you've got a perfect dynamic
still on the ship that's going to be

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able to you know, you've got
a Pelia and mister Scott working together to

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come up with some you know,
probably off the wall solutions, but ones

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that could help them get out of
a pinch. I think we're gonna see

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Bettel's status used to their advantage because
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scene where Una was talking to Spock
about zombie movies and that sometimes they would

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you know, blend in with the
zombies by looking like a zombie. I

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think It's entirely possible. Given how
the Gordon reacted to Mattel and they backed

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off when she was carrying that,
they will probably find a way to use

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that to their advantage with the Gordon, and maybe Abenge is going to be

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able to help them do that and
be able to kind of make their way

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through. Like I said, I
hope we get to see or take this

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pilot of Gordon ship, and I
hope we get to see more activity on

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the Gordon ship, a little bit
more into them as a species. I

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think when Pike dropped that hint of
you know, is there a way to

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reach them? And I think it's
interesting, you know, given the last

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season finale where we kind of saw, you know, the consequences of him

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being a captain and that wants to
reason a little bit more than fight.

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I don't think it's necessarily going to
be reasoning with the Gorn like fun appealing

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to their better nature as much as
it's finding out how they think and using

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that to their advantage to get out
of the situation. So I'll be interesting

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to see how that plays out.
Wait, and what about you, well,

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I definitely see the next season going
into a much deeper exploration with the

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Gorn. I don't know if this
what will happen at the end of this

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storyline, this story that we're current, that weve got to be continued,

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but whether we're leading to conflict with
the Gorn. But we're definitely going to

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be getting into a much deeper look
at the at the Alien race. Maybe

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learn maybe I should say Starfleet and
Pike will learn more about this race.

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I don't. I'm gonna say I
was really surprised that it didn't happen in

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this stuff asode. I don't see
Captain Mattel surviving the season finale, I

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really don't. I really thought she
is going to die this one. I

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think I mentioned that before, and
I'm I just don't see here surviving.

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I don't think it's I don't think
we are in it. It's the series

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is in a position to allow that
character to survive and Pike, I think

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it's necessary for the story for for
that character to be written off, and

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it could be interesting to explore the
consequences that they're invocations with with Pike after

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that. None of you know some
we know some of these characters are safe.

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We know you're here are safe.
We know Scotty's safe and all of

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those but a Tegus number one Lan
whatever happened to those characters? Right?

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You know, we don't know anything
about them, do they do they survive?

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Don't they survive? You know,
I don't expect all of them to

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survive the end of the series.
I don't say. I'm not just saying

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they're gonna die in the next episode, but I think we could be leading

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more to that. And I also
see them continuing on showing the consequences of

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Mabinga's actions two episodes ago. I
think he's in for a lot of trouble

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with the Federation, with star Fleet, with Klingons. I hope they continue

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that, and then I hope also
that they continue this uh let's uh spotlight

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a character in episode because it worked
fantastic this season. We got to learn

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a lot more about these characters.
But there's a lot more to learn and

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I want to I want to see
each one of these characters develop in the

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years to come. And it could
be a while too. I mean,

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you know, let me say that, you know, the writers and actors

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strikes could continue for a while.
I know everybody's talking about when this show's

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going to come back, and they
never started filming. They were at the

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from what I understand, and they
were at the the pre planning and writing

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stages when this happened. That when
they had to stop. So unless these

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strikes are over very soon, like
in the last or the next month,

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we probably want to see this series
that continue until twenty twenty five. Yeah,

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I would agree with that. Along
those lines. You know, thank

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you to Henry Alonzo Myers, the
writer for this episode on Nature Johnson.

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We've mentioned before, thank you for
the work you do on this And I

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hope they can come to some kind
of resolution because the cast, the crew,

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the writers on this show are doing
so much for Star Trek, and

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I hope they have a chance to
come back. Of those predictions way and

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I hope the one that doesn't come
true is Bettel's status, because I think

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we already know that Pike has a
limited span before he ends up in that

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unfortunate situation where he ends up and
Bettel. You know, I'd love to

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see him have a personal emotional constant
in Battel, someone who's not part of

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the crew but that he's connected to
that can be close to him, you

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know, before he gets to that, to that point and maybe through it,

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so hopefully. I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I

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like the character Bettel, Don't get
me wrong. I don't want to sit

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here scratched off right now. I
just Pike has always struck me from the

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beginning as a tragedy, as as
a character that is going to lead to

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disaster, to to tragedy, and
of course his his the accident. I

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just can see that the writers leading
in that direction of adding more to the

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pain of Pike's life by killing this
character off. Yeah, who knows,

415
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Yeah, nobody knows. But you
know, I think I'm gonna agree with

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you on this way, and I
don't want to see her go, but

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I think they kind of have to. They have to send Pike's character to

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a different trajectory because everything's going too
good for him right now. You know.

419
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I know this just happened, which
isn't a great thing, but I

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think they need to lean that way
a little bit more for his character.

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So I have a feeling that will
be the case. It could be completely

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wrong, but we'll see. I
know one of the things that they are

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discussing, and I when you and
I were going back and forth us a

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little bit, but they're talking about
raising some more episodes person even, and

425
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I really hope that happens. You
know. I know we're not going to

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get the length of seasons that we
got with the Next Generation back in the

427
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eighties and nineties, but I would
still like to see at least two or

428
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three more episodes per season because it
would give us a lot more to explore.

429
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And the era of twenty six episodes
a year are is over and we

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don't need that anymore. That was
for network television anyways, and it created

431
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a lot of what they would call
bottle episodes where they had to have really

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cheap and we don't need that anymore. But I do see this series could

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continue to thirteen episodes. Just three
more episodes would allow them to continue with

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these these individual stories for the characters
and explore more with you know, the

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Strange New Worlds. I saw an
interview the other day. They were talking

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to the creators of Strange New Worlds, and they're saying, are we ever

437
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going to see Doctor McCoy and any
other original characters? And they said,

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everything's on the table, nothing's off
the table. And they said, if

439
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if the show continues the ratings that
it's getting, we can continue to keep

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making season after season, and you
can guarantee that's going to happen. We're

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going to see a lot more original
characters pop up because they have to.

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And they said, if we go
into the the area of the original series

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and everybody wants it, we're going
to do it, and we want it,

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00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.000
We absolutely want it. I'm sorry
all there's those people out there who,

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00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.000
you know, love the original Star
Trek with you know, William Shatner,

446
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:30.039
Leonard Nimoy, they were awesome.
But if we can get some news

447
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.839
stories with the same crew of the
original Star Trek with the cast that we

448
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.799
are seeing now, I want it
immediately after Strange New Worlds. Yeah,

449
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:44.519
after Strange New Worlds. Yeah.
So there's a lot to come, and

450
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.400
I hope they do some more expirations
of characters. And you know, we

451
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.400
can talk a little bit about our
favorites. You know, Wayne, you

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00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.799
touched them. That's one of my
favorites of this season. I love how

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each character got their time to shine. We got to be emotionally pulled to

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00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.480
them a lot more than we have
before. You know. I love how

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the episodes opened up with them doing
their own you know, a star date,

456
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.519
their journal. You know, I
love they were giving those characters that

457
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.119
opportunity to do that instead of always
hearing the captain do it. You know,

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00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:15.799
each character is getting their chance to
do it and shine. And I

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00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.960
love that. And for me,
when you talk about our favorite episode,

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Minds the Old Scientist these, I
absolutely love that episode and it holds up

461
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.160
so well. Scott, what about
you? Oh you're opening the Hoffman box

462
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:34.160
here we go. I mean,
it is very hard to challenge those old

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00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.240
Scientists with anything because it hits so
many tumblers. It's just some some other

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00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:42.039
highlights from this last season that we've
already talked about, but I mean,

465
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:47.599
like at Astros per Aspera challenges Starfleet
itself, which is a great place to

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00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.160
go tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.
How that great emotional arc used at present

467
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:58.039
day time travel, but it still
made it relevant and you know and emotionally

468
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:02.279
jarring Charai. It's one of the
favorites because we see that other aspect of

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00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:07.440
Spok without not make without taking it
away anything away from Spok. You get

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more of his you know, of
his personality. And I'll double down and

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00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.920
say a Subspace Raps rhapsody. I
don't care, man. I loved that

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00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:22.559
episode and i've I've picked up the
soundtrack on iTunes. So I think they

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00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:29.760
took some chances this season and they
came out better for it. So I

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00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.159
think it's I think it's a great
season. Can't wait to see what next.

475
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:36.320
You're right, Scott, I'm glad
that they did take the chances.

476
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.280
I mean, good or bad.
I don't think they all worked, but

477
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.679
some of them I think they do, and I hope they continue that.

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00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.920
I hope they continue to push boundaries, not just doing the special episodes like

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00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:55.519
the Animation Crossover are the musical,
but pushing the characters such as Mabenga and

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00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:04.360
what happened with him and Lan and
hit her relationship with Kirk. And I

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00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:12.159
know they'll continue that, but keep
moving past just the regular Star Trek formula

482
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.440
and keep trying new things. You
know, we agree. I loved those

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00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:16.800
on side as those are always That's
going to be my favorite for the season,

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00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.239
lads down. But besides that episode, I'm going to choose loss in

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00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.199
translation. I really really enjoyed that
episode, not just because it was a

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00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.519
Uroe episode. I think the actress
did a phenomenal job with that. But

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just the way the story came together
all you know, all the different elements

488
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.960
and the characters, they all all
the story just just all nicely tied together

489
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:43.559
in the in the end, and
then we had the historic meetings during it.

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00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.360
It just I just felt so like
it was like just a full meal

491
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:52.360
and we were all just enjoying everything
that was being handed to us in that

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00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.599
episode. And I want to see
more of that. So I want to

493
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:59.000
see more of them. I want
to see more of the original crew and

494
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:00.880
want to I want to see we've
got Scotty now so we get we get

495
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.360
to see his introductions to the classic
characters. Yeah, I mean said,

496
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.519
hopefully we'll get to see Sulu check
off. You know, bring them,

497
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.119
bring them. The casting department's knocking
it out of the park, so we

498
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.000
know they're going to do a good
job with the casting in that area,

499
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.480
so bring them on. I mean, we don't need them all right away,

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00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.519
you know, little little treats here
and there, like you're giving us

501
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.079
now, it's perfect. We love
it, and we're all eating it up

502
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:28.440
because clearly the ratings are going really
well for this show. Oh yes,

503
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.119
yes, so keep bringing it to
us because we are loving the Star Trek

504
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:36.320
that you're giving us now, to
all the creators, to CBS, to

505
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.920
all of you, keep bringing it
to us. We love every second of

506
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.760
us. So some of us may
not agree in every episode, but you

507
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.159
know what, keep trying these original
ideas because that's what we want, that's

508
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.920
what we need. We don't want
the same boring stuff over and over and

509
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.639
over. Give us new treats.
But we have a track record this season.

510
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.960
You know, with the exception of
just one episode in which we were

511
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.880
divided, all the other episodes,
nine out of out of the ten episodes

512
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.239
we've we've all agreed that we're fantastic. They were well, they were well

513
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:08.280
acted, well produced. The crew, the writers, the producers, the

514
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:15.159
team, the actors, they're they're
doing an incredible job with the series.

515
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.519
Paramounts is listening, so they're they're
going to continue and the show will continue

516
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.559
to be number one meetings in the
streaming ratings. Yeah, and I mean,

517
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.400
you know, regardless of how anybody
feels about, you know, the

518
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.840
episodes, it's keeping it in the
conversation, right, We're having more more

519
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.719
rich conversations about Star Trek than we
have in a long, long time,

520
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.559
and they're they're taking in so many
different ways. There's so many things that

521
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:46.880
can appeal to so many different people, and you know, it's it's always

522
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:52.360
great to you know, talk about
what we love or you know, debate

523
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.719
the points. It's always in conversations. We've had fun this season. Yeah,

524
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.000
I've had a great time talking about
Star Trek, watching episodes, just

525
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.559
just chatting, chatting with you,
and I hope that the listeners have a

526
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.880
lot of fun listening to us.
It's it's that water cooler thing again that

527
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.599
we used to have back a long
time ago. You gathered the water cooler

528
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.320
and talk about the current episode,
how exciting it was, and you know,

529
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.079
and just talk about your favorite characters, and you know, it's it's

530
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:21.800
this all over again. And I've
enjoyed this so much, you know,

531
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.840
so to our listeners out there,
you know we're going to come back absolutely

532
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.000
for season three. But you know, this wraps it up for season two.

533
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.119
But you know, we are leaving
the bridge and we're heading to the

534
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:39.639
lower decks to start talking about another
great Star Trek series. Absolutely can't wait

535
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.400
to dive into that animated world.
Obviously, we're big fans of those old

536
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:49.000
scientists, and there's a very big
reason. Come along with us for the

537
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.119
ride, and we'll take you to
a different place. And I have fun

538
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:58.039
looking for those Easter eggs and lower
decks. Is just four of them yet

539
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.000
to the easter basket, all right. So if you want to leave a

540
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.679
comment, discuss what's next, or
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541
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.159
at www dot film by podcast dot
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542
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:13.440
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543
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.920
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