Strange New Wednesdays - Lost in Translation

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Space the Final Frontier. These are
the voyages of Strange New Wednesdays. It's

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continuing mission to explore episodes of Strange
New Worlds, to seek out new information

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and new discussions, to boldly go
where no podcast has gone before. Hello

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everyone, and welcome back to Strange
New Wednesdays, where we continue to talk

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everything about the current season of Star
Trek Strange New Worlds. Once again,

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Red alert, please be worn spoilers
our head. So you haven't seen this

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week's episode, please stop, go
watch it and then come back to join

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us. I am David Burns and
I'm Wayne White. Once again, Scott

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is on an away mission. But
Wayne, I'm a little bit concerned.

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Last time I saw him he had
a red shirt on. Oh gosh.

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Yeah, let's hope that nothing happened
to him on his away mission. Yeah,

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So hopefully we'll see him on the
next week's episode, but we shall

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see. Yeah. Today we are
discussing season two, episode six lost in

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translation, you can let death win
or you can fight back? Wayne,

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can you go? As a quick
recap of this episode, sure, Ken,

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the Enterprise and its sister ship,
the Farragut, are on a mission

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to repair a deuterium refinery when instant
you Heara begins to hear strange noises and

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experienced hallucinations, including strained visions of
her parents' death and of the enterprise's deceased

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former engineered hammer. The investigations into
the refinery discover a saboteur who escapes and

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attempts to sabotage the enterprise. Uhura
pursues him, and with the help of

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the fair Gets First officer James T. Kirk and his brother Sam, the

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three work to undercover the mystery of
the strange hallucinations and the truth behind the

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saboteurus actions. Nice. First,
let me say, Celia Rose Gooding is

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freaking knocking it out of the park
as a horror She's fantastic. Yeah.

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Michelle Nichols would be beyond proud of
what she's doing on screen. Yeah,

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I would think the same thing.
Yeah, I mean every time I see

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her now. And of course this
isn't a horror episode. We get a

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little bit sprinkled of other characters in
this and I think everybody was freaking in

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this episode, just a little bit
here and there. But what I really

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loved about this episode was the fact
of horror finally getting to face the outcomes

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of losing her family and losing Hemmer
from the first season. You know,

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we get to see her dealing with
all of those emotions. And what I

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think is the most incredible thing that
they could have done in this episode was

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allowing James Kirk to be the one
that truly helped her, you know,

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by providing empathy and shows why they
worked together so well in the future,

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by starting to build that relationship.
Oh yeah, this episode was It's so

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important to the mythology of Star Trek. So many firsts happened. It happened

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here, and they were all it
was great to actually see these things that

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we've never seen before. We you
know, we got to meet to see

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Kirk and HR's first meeting and they
hit it off wonderfully. You got to

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see Kirk and Spock's first meeting at
the end of the episode then, and

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I hope we see much more of
that. Uh. And we also got

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to see Pike and Kirk's first true
meeting. Um you know back in the

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original series The Menagerie. Um.
Kirk mentions that he met Pike for the

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first time win and he became fleet
captain and they fix that really well without

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altering or changing any of the continuity, even though it was temporary. That

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that doesn't matter because Kirk didn't how
long he was first was fleet captain,

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and he just said he met him
when he became fleet captain, and this

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worked in perfectly. That's right.
Yeah, and again, Paul Westley,

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Holy crap, dude, he's so
Kirk Man. I mean, whoever cast

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is this show has just they've done
a phenomenal job, man, a phenomenal

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job on people, on characters that
we know from the past, on recasting

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them with new people. They're doing
an incredible job in these roles. They

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really really are. Yes, the
more I see uh Wesley as says Kirk,

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he um, I like him.
I mean he's more and more Kirk

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to me every time we see him. Um, he's bringing his own parts.

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But you can just get those little
bits of shatnerisms in his performance.

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That's that makes you know, this
is the Kirk that we're familiar with over

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the last fifty five years. You
know, he's fantastic in the role.

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They're all fantastic, and this this
episode proved that he deserves to play the

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part of Kurt. Yeah. Absolutely, I completely agree with that. I

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think it's funny that you mentioned them
the fleet captain part, because I thought

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that was funny when Una walked on
the bridge and he's all good. I

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didn't miss the the speech when that
was so funny. I mean, I

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mean, obviously she congratulating for the
new rank, but it was only temporary,

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of course. But I just thought
that was kind of a It just

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shows you the connection between the characters
there. You know, they respect each

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other's rank, they respect each other
on the bridge and the ship and what

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they do, but they still can
have a little fun and a little jabs

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from time to time with each other. I love that. Yes, So

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the cast has incredible chemistry. You
know. We saw that with a lot

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of the other show, especially the
Ex Generation, and we're feeling it with

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this show too. It doesn't happen
with every TV show, and sometimes the

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casts don't get along or they don't
mesh together, and that can make for

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a really rough run for a TV
show. But they don't have any problem

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here. There's no problems here at
all. They look like that they're they

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look like they're having fun doing this
as well, and it looks like they've

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been doing it for a long time, which is crazy because this is the

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only season two, but it looks
like they've been doing this for years and

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years together. That's what that's what's
phenomenal about this cast. Well, you

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know, they've been able to explore
their characters so well over this last season

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and this season too. I mean
we are learning all about their characters,

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and the actors are too. I'm
sure it helps with their performances. Yeah,

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I tell you, it was neat
to see Bruce Horick back as Hemmer.

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I know he didn't have a lot
to do, but it was really

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neat to see him back in that
role again. You know, it really

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made you feel that you missed that
character, just like the other characters did,

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you know, it pulled you right
in and I one of the things

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I really liked the touch is at
the end when a horror you know it

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had discovered what was going on and
how they were going to save the life

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forms. But at the end when
he was like that zombie hammer and then

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he slowly became the hammer that we
know and he's just giving her that nod

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like, hey, everything's fine,
you did the correct thing. I loved

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that final touch right there. I
just thought that was fantastic. Well it

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was. That was fantastic, And
wasn't it the zombie hemmer when he frightening

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makeup? Let me let me say
that the makeup whoever does the makeup,

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and I'm not sure who it is, they did a fantastic job on He

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said, they do a fantastic job
every week, but that that was a

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truly frightening look for him. Yeah, it really was, and it was.

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Again, we get some more Palea, but not a lot. She's

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in like little scenes here and there. We get a little bit more of

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her in this episode, but we
get some character development between her and other

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characters because we're getting some friction,
and you find out why we're getting that

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friction. And I loved the dialogue
specifically between Una and Palea when they were

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on the shuttle heading back to the
Enterprise there toward to the end, and

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you know, they have it out
basically right there, you know, uh,

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you know, you gave me a
c you know, and but basically

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come to find out, you know, it wasn't the sea. It's because

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you miss you think I'm replacing Himmer, and you know, I just I

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love the dialogue between those between those
two characters. There's not something they explore

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too much on Star Trek too.
You know, these characters they have to

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experience death a lot on their missions, and said, we're finally getting to

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see the characters and how they deal
with losing someone major in their lives,

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and um, that's something that needs
to be explored more. We did it

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a little bit. But usually with
the shows they do for like one episode

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and minutes overworth we forget them all
until like a year or two, like

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like a best example Tashi Yar.
But this it's good because this would linger

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on and you know, Pelly,
she's she's doing her job, steps in,

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but you know the other characters aren't
accepting her yet. You know they're

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they're so attached to the original chief
engineer and and hurt by his loss.

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I'm glad that the writers are exploring
that that type of storyline. Yep.

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There's there's so much that happens in
this episode individually with some of the characters.

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You know, that kind of gets
lost a little bit because you're so

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involved with a horror and her story, which is a good thing because this

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is about her and what's going on
with her. But there's some other characters

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like Spock and Chapel and stuff like
that. You get that that three D

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chess game going on between the two
of them, Um, you know where

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there's a little bit more involved with
them just playing the chest because it seems

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like they're a little bit of romance
is going on there as they're talking about,

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you know, what's going on in
the relationship, but also playing the

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game at the same time. I
thought that was a good touch. That

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was a good scene, and you
know, it shows that their storyline's not

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over with what we saw from from
last episode. It's going to continue on.

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That's great storytelling. Yeah, and
you kind of touched a bit a

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little bit that these characters have to
deal with death. Um. One of

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my favorite moments in this epid pisode
was when her was breaking down and Kirk

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was with her, and Kirk basically
talked to her about that, you know,

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and I'm not going to say it
word for word or you know,

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but you know, he basically told
her, you know, we have to

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deal with death. You know,
that's what we do as officers on a

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star fleet ship, you know.
And that's where he gets that line.

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You know, you can let death
win or you can fight back. I

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absolutely love that scene between the two
of them, and that is my favorite

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scene in this entire episode. And
I know there's a lot going on in

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this episode, but I love that
one. Well, you know, and

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this isn't exactly like you know,
it could be, or it couldn't be

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a continuity thing. But you know, I had to do a little bit

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of research on this. But this
episode takes place in twenty two fifty nine,

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and according to Kirk's history, only
two years before in twenty two fifty

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seven. This was mentioned in classic
series episode Obsession that when Kirk was Um

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was on the Farragut, he experienced
a huge, huge disaster where both are

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his captain and over two hundred of
the crew members on the Farragut died on

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a mission they were they were going
after a gas cloud. Um and he's

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felt that regret, he mentioned in
the episode Obsession that he had always held.

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He blamed himself for not acting fast
enough. He blamed himself for that

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all those deaths. And I mean
that's years later, so now we're only

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two years away from that, that
still has to be very freshen on his

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mind. So you know, he's
he's telling you or hear this from his

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own experiences, from the only the
own hurt that he holds inside him.

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Yeah. Absolutely, and again the
end of the performances there were just phenomenal.

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But what about any favorite moment from
you Wain? What did you thought

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was one of some of the best
scenes. Oh, all of Kirk and

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you hear as scenes together. I
just I loved And it's pretty close to

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the same scene. But when Kirk
and and you Hear is talking and he

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offers to get to the galley and
get her a cookie and she turns to

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I don't want a cookie. I
love I don't know why. I don't

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know why. I love that.
But you can see the friendship that that

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built between these two, uh,
you know, evolved during the episode,

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and then you know it's it's great. Then then you know, of course

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the final scene where the three of
them are sitting at that table and um

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and pulled back yes, right camera, Oh my god, I loved it.

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What I'm loved it perfect ending for
the episode. Uh, you know

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it's you after he you know,
he met spot. I always assumed that

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as captains of the ship. When
they become captains, said, so,

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you know they get to choose their
their crews, their their bridge officers.

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They're there their heads of the departments
and right and well, actually that was

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mentioned. I think that was mentioned
in the Star Trek the motion picture.

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I think Kirk was putting together his
crew and he remember him saying he wanted

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a Vulcan as a science officer.
But uh, you know, seeing the

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three of them together, you know, you've already got the basis of what's

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going to be a long friendship.
And I can see why he wanted to

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keep your hero on the bridge when
he took over, and and why they

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all stuck together over what it was
thirty years through the through the series and

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through the movies. So I you
know, seeing that scene where the camera

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was Phillip pulling out. There's two
camera movements in this episode that I just

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felt were like so good. The
fat one was one where the camera Phillip

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pulls back from Horace Bock and Kirk
talking at the table and getting to know

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one another. I got chills on
that scene when it was pulling back through

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the bar and goes out the door
and the door closed. I just thought

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that was such a beautiful touch.
It was perfect. But the other camera

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movement that I thought was phenomenal.
You know, they when she was on

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the bridge and they they blew up
the refinery and you know, Pike told

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her, you know, go back
to your position. There. She sits

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down and the camera just slowly moves
around her to reveal the screen behind her,

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and you get just hints of the
Star Trek theme right there of her

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sitting there. I was just like
applauding at that shot because it's just like

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these creators of Strange New World know
what they're doing. They know the areas

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that they're dealing with with original characters, and they're being very gentle and careful

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and respecting them, and and in
these shots you see that so well.

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Now, I agree the show has
always been beautifully shot. And those two

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scenes and I forgot all about that
that pan around here, era, and

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I know exactly what you're talking about. It stuck out when I was watching

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it. It's it's such a beautiful
shot. You know. I don't know

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if that's due to the cinematographer the
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it coming. Absolutely, just so
many other good scenes than this. We

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could be talking about this episode for
probably the length of this episode, to

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be honest with you, because so
much good stuff happened in here um even

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even um so when pale and her
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you know, her explaining what she
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I loved Palea's response, Uh,
you know, I know he was

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one of my he was one of
my finest students. And then she's like,

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I'm sorry, I only said that
because he is dead. He was

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just actually okay, but look what
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a person dies. We we do. We try not to say the worst.

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We always say the best, even
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but you know, just make people
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Another thing I like this is a
little bit of the Treky and Me.

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we actually got to see the Bizarre's
collectors on one of the ships actually

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being used for what it's was meant
to be used for. True, you

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know, it's always been there on
every one of the ships, and it's

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it's there to collect to fuel and
uh, you know, everything to to

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help the engines run and we've we've
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I think the only time that we've
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Starts Trek inst direction. Riker used
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but then he was using it as
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Uh. This this is an important
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seeing more of the ship, especially
the original Enterprise, UM, you know,

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seeing what it does. We learned
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known for almost sixty years now.
It's there's so much to explore. And

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we actually got to see the inside
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ever seen that before other than that
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from what I was reading, I
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blueprints that were originally written up back
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cool to the uh the design department
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of keeping with the continuity of Star
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and you know in in showing their
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that, I really do, and
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It really does. Oh and we
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Kelvin. Oh, that's right,
we did. Yes, that's the first

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time that's ever been mentioned. I
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Abrams film. M of course.
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and the Kelvina was destroyed, but
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Trek universe. So its a nice
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James were fantastic, Like you could
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A lot of sibling rivalry there,
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well. Well, Wayne, I
probably know what your answer is going to

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be. It is probably gonna be
mine. But which character do you think

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shine the most in this episode?
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my mind it's your hera. This
this was her episode, and I'm glad

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it was her episode. I think
I mentioned last episode I was hoping it

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would be, and it is.
We learned so much about her and we

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got to see so much more character
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we we saw it last season.
Mefort was it was briefly mentioned last season

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and Children of the Comet was the
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up, where about her parents death
and the shuttle acts. But but here

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we got to see it. Yeah, we got to see see the shuttle,

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see the crash, um, you
know. And and also it's her

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and her alone that can save the
enterprise and save the aliens. No one

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else is connected like she is.
Um, no one has any idea what's

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going on, just her. She
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then she goes to Pike and she
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I love this scene too, when
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are you sure about this? He
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her by her word and order the
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you know she got that. I
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say fire torpedoes. She did,
and that was that was great? Boy?

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She was she was She yelled it
out. Yeah. Did you did

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you see Pike look over just not
his head to like approval. Ye?

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Yes, I love that too.
She was just fired torpedoes. I loved

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it. But you could show her
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She knew she was doing the right
thing, and she knew that that you

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know, they had to listen to
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Yeah, the fact that he believes
in his crew, that just shows you

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right there how much he respects and
believes in them, Yes, and will

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do what they say to do.
So, you know, I loved that.

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It was a cool touch. But
the same with me. Man,

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I'm not going to deny or Cela
Rose Goodding again knocked it out of the

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park. She is doing an incredible
job and um, I look forward to

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more episodes with her and what they're
going to do with her without without a

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question. So, um, if
you could be any character in this those

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wood who wouldn't have been? And
why? Wayne, I'm curious of your

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answer on this one. Well,
you know, everyone was in this episode,

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and I really had to think about
this, go through all the characters.

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But you know, I'm going to
say you her, She's She's just

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perfect in this episode. She's so
brilliant and I love and I've always loved

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the character of Kirk, you know. You know that, and I thought

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about choosing him, but you know, there have been times where I felt

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that he needed a good punch in
the nose and we got it here.

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Uh, And from the last person
I would ever expect to punch Kirk,

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and that's you her, And now
I know she was. She was hallucinating

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an image of herself. She didn't
know she was hitting Kirk, but I

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get this feeling that maybe subconsciously she
knew that it was Kirk standing there,

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and I think that's why I'd love
to get the chance of punching him right

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on the nose. Sometimes. Well
for me, Wayne, good choice,

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by the way, very good choice. But for me it is a Kirk,

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but it's Sam Kirk because good Um. The reason why is um?

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When you know I have a brother
and we have that brother rivalry. So

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I feel very much like Sam in
his situation that you know, James gets

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all the respect, just like my
brother does. I love my brother.

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He is, you know, he's
awesome, but you know he was also

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the athletic one and the popular one
wasn't me, it was my brother.

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So I get where Sam Kirk is
coming from and the frustration he shows when

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James just refuses to give it to
him. Sam's a great character and I

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totally agree with you, A good
choice. M I hope we haven't seen

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we didn't see too much of him
last episode. And I love the what

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we did see of him. Now
we got to see more of him.

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I want I want to see more
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actually would like to see an episode
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like this. Um, we we
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He was dead by the time he
saw him in the original series. Sou

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what a great dynamic between him and
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no, I completely agree. Again, they're all doing a great job,

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and I hope they continue to do
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will. That there's the writers know
what they're doing, the people who are

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directing it, everything set, everything
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To keep continuing to use that phrase, but it's true, they really

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are. They are all right.
So, um, what are we seeing

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in the trailer for this week episode
seven? Those old scientists? Boy,

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let me tell you about this one, right, Well, most people have

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already seen this episode, a little
bit of a surprise that it was released

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a week early. Yep, I
have not seen it. I don't think

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you David have seen it. Heads
I will be seeing it very soon,

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but I think we know what to
expect on there. I mean it's going

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to be fun. But I have
a lot of fun watching it. I

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can't wait. I'm curious about the
episodes afterwards. I know they also announced

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that there is a musical and yeah, I'm a little terrified about that.

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I'll tell you. I'll be very
honest. I've seen other shows have done

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these musical episodes and I have not
been impressed. So hopefully Strange New Worlds

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will break that record and show me
something good. But you know, I

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have faith in these writers because they've
done so well for you know, all

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the episode we've seen in season one
and season two so far, so I'm

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going to give them the chance here. You're right, I'm not big on

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the musical episodes, but I'm very
curious because remember we had that fantasy episode

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in season one. Yeah remember that, which was just like totally off the

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wall type of episode, very strange, very weird, and it turned out

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to be a pretty good episode.
So you know, I'm very curious in

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what this is gonna be. Like. I believe that one's what Subspace Rhapsody

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is the musical episode nine, I
think it is. It's just hard to

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get get my head around that.
Did you ever in all the years of

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you watched Star Trek think we would
ever have a musical episode, I'm not

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at all. I don't know what
to expect. I'm gonna I'm hoping it's

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fun. I'm going to I'm gonna
have an open mind, of course,

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you know, and I'm going to
expect good things because that's what we've gotten

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so far for this season. Absolutely. All right, Well, we're going

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