Strange New Wednesdays - Those Old Scientists

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Space the Final Frontier. These are
the voyages of Strange New Wednesdays, It's

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continuing mission to explore episodes of Strange
New Worlds to seek out new information and

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new discussions, to boldly go where
no podcast has gone before. Hello everyone,

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and welcome back to Strange New Wednesdays, where we continue to talk everything

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about the current season of Star Trek
Strange New Worlds. Once again red alert

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please be warned. Spoiler to our
head. So if you haven't seen this

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week's episode, please stop, go
back and watch it and then come back

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to join us. I am David
Burns, I'm Scott Hoffman, and I'm

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Wayne Whited. Today we are discussing
season two, episode seven, Those old

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scientists. Guys, do my eyes
look huge? As my arm always done?

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This? Well? Before we really
dive into this, Scott, we

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get quite a treat with this week's
episode. Can you give us a quick

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recap? So let's to say we
start this episode in the animated future of

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Lower Decks, where Boimler, Mariner, Teddy and Rutherford investigate an ancient portal

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it's ben doormant for one hundred and
twenty years. What starts as a nostalgic

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debate about who discovered it Orion scientists
or are those old scientists Pike and crew

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from the TS Days quickly becomes a
leap into the past for Boimler as the

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Enterprise crew tries to find a way
to send him back before he fumbles the

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future. We see a run in
with Orion scientists, some accidentally poignant moments

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with our crew, and another time
traveling moment as Mariner joins the scene.

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The two ensigns enjoy a trip to
the past while having an impact on their

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heroes before heading home, and we
get what I think is one of the

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best crossover episodes in TRECK history,
certainly the funniest. Without a guest,

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what a treat is a treat?
And you know, um, I know

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we're going to talk about it a
little bit more in detail, but you

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know, there has been a lot
of animated characters. There have been video

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game characters who have been brought to
life in live action, but I gotta

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say Jack Wade and Tonny Knutham are
probably the best ever in my opinion.

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Yes, yes, yes, high
praise for both. Dear God, they

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got casting and like perfect crossover,
a blend that you can you can see

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those animated characters perfectly brought to life
by these two actors, And it makes

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you wonder if they had planned that
in the first place when they first cast

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him, because that's very rare for
an animated series to gather their actors looking

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just like their characters. They made
a plan that, Yeah, and you

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know the one episode, one scene
in this episode that's just there's a lot

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of scenes in this episode it would
just have you rolling with laughter. But

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when Spock and Boiler are doing the
uh the experiment, the experiment and then

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it explodes, scrieves. Yeah,
I've got to assume that, like,

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seeing these two actors in the recording
studio had to be an inspiration for their

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animated likenesses because they're just they're so
they're hate animated, they're so animated,

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like they play it so perfectly.
And I can see them both doing all

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these things in the studio and just
expiring some great animation there there, their

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mannerisms, everything. If you watch
them closely, it's just like their cartoon

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characters in the animation, it's dead
on it. In that scene in the

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hall when uh Una suddenly appears,
he does that that walk away strut that

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they always have on the show.
It was perfect. Yeah. Yeah,

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the power walking, Yes, the
power walk Yeah, oh god, that

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was so good. I've gotta I
know we're going to get into like favorite

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moments and things like that, but
I gotta give I gotta give hats off

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to the writer's first. Aside from
you know, um Akiva Goldsman and Alex

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Kurtzman, you've got Catherine Lynn,
Bill walk Off and Onita Johnson are just

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doing an amazing job with this.
And the direction by Jonathan Frakes dipping into

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sorry Onnitrich Johnson. Um, Yeah, the direction by Frakes dipping into comedy,

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he just knocks it out of the
park. Yet, I just there's

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there's so much goodness about this episode. You know, I knew we were

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all anticipating this episode, we knew
it was coming, we knew which episode

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it was, but man, I
did not know what I was in store

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for me. And when I got
halfway through this, I just found myself

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laughing so much and just enjoying a
Star Trek episode that we've never really experienced

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like this before. This was just
incredible. Yeah. Yeah, you know

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what what I find humorous too is
Pike is always cookie have you guys noticed

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this always going back to this now, Yes, I love it. I

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love it. That's such an important
part of his character and something that gives

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him so much more depth. I
think, you know the fact that he's

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taking the time to be really hands
on and kind of take time in those

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moments to to talk to crew members
or visitors. In this case, that

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all centers around cooking, and it's
something they introduced in the first season and

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and keeps coming through here. The
way his meals look too, he probably

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spent hours fixing them, so it
makes sense that we'd see him cooking all

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the time. This is true.
Yeah, I think we've we've got to

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see an antson Mount Um you know, cooking class at some point. That

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would be an exactly another I thought
was really cool by this episode. I

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love that they animated them opening title
sequence yes, yes, yes, yes,

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and then and then the whole ending
too with the animation of the Enterprise

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crew, which is spectacular. Yeah. So, something that I've always kind

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of noticed from the start with this
is how similar the intro for Um Strange

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New Worlds, How similar it is
to the lower decks intro right where it's

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kind of like shows the critos like
flying up to a board ship and then

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nope, just turning around and flying
away. Um. When I first watched

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this episode, I actually skipped in
the intro and if somebody hasn't seen this,

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I strongly encourage you to go go
back and watch that because they even

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insert not only is it animating the
Enterprise, but they put little Easter eggs

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in there, like the alien was
kind of suckling on them in the cell.

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I think they're supposed to be like
a panda face in the background.

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Thank you, I didn't catch that, but yeah, it's such such a

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cool detail to sneak in there.
This episode was full of Easter eggs too.

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I mean that's what Lower Dex does. They meant. There's so many

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mentions, and I think they touched
every series that had ever been made for

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Star Trek on this. They had
to have Oh yeah, my goodness.

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I mean, go ahead and tell
us Wayne, all right, I'll just

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read off a list really quick,
and these are just the ones I found.

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Um starting off, Rutherford's hollow camera
was exactly like the doctors and voyager.

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Um boiler shouts, remember me when
he gets sucked through the portal.

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Well, that's exactly what Beverly Crushers
shouted when she got sucked through the portal.

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And remember me, Yeah, of
course we just mentioned the space Quali,

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which you know has the Universe on
its back, is mentioned many times

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on lower decks. Set like two
is mentioned, and um, if you

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remember, Set like three was the
planet where Miles O'Brien was on his original

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ship and thought the Kardassians, that's
where the massacre happened in the Wounded and

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then uh boiler, he does the
Riker chair maneuver and he shouts out Riker.

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That was absolutely perfect, especially director. Yeah, the Orion ship matches

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a design that the remastered effects for
the original series episode Journey to Babel.

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And continuing on, there's so many
of them. They mentioned Spock's pet from

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the animated series. They mentioned the
Belle Riots of the twenty first century from

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DS nine's Past Tense. Uh your
HER's pad. This surprised me. Showed

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both references to the Jordan and Kardassian
language. And I wouldn't even know where

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the Starfleet had met them at this
time, but here there's here's a reference

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that they have. Then they find
out the portal was Nausican. Another reference

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to the next generation that the episode
Tapestry, and we knew that they'd already

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met them because they were seen an
enterprise right. Um. And then of

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course the game the game dom jot
Um And then also and this took a

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couple of times for me to catch
us one Ortega's mentioned star based Earnhart and

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that is the star base where Captain
John Lupicard are in s John Lupicard was

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stabbed in the heart by the Nausicans
for I got into a fight because of

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a dumb jot game. Then there
were mentions to Wharf and Q and Churlane

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from the original series, and then
of course the big one, the big

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easter egg is Archer in the NXO
one. Um they mentioned Boiler and Mariners

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mentioned that they went to the Fleet
Museum, which we saw it recently in

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piccard, and of course or Taking
Yuhara mentioned are talking about Travis Mayweather and

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Hashi Sato from the series, which
their their idols, And um, I

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believe I reached the list end of
my list. Did you did you catch?

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There's one other one that I caught? Did you catch when Mariner stood

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up talking to Herror and he did
the piccard. I didn't catch that one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, she
pulled it down. I'm like,

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oh, he just did the piccard, which I thought was fantastic. I

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had a blast trying to find all
these. It was fun. The whole

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episode was just fun to watch.
It really was. But man, that

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was quite a list of far some
of those I didn't even catch. My

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gosh, Wayne, well done,
yeah done. That's one of the great

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things about Lower Decks. I mean
it, it's it does an amazing job

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of writing um episodes standalone. It's
not just fan service. But the way

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they kind of sprinkle those in is
so clever, like, yeah, he

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says, holy cue and they don't
know what that is yet, don't do

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it that maybe laugh Worf to say
Worf's on her, kind of like Scouts

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on her. He's like, dang
it, I can't say that yet.

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And I loved how they reference the
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and the fact that I think it
was Marner the mentions how how everyone talks

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so slowly. Yeah, and then
of course mentions that they're very specific with

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their references. So many good ones. Um, I know, we've got

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a load, and this is going
to open up a can of worms.

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I'm sure favorite moments for this episode, Scott Oh, I gotta start by

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playing off of some of Wayne mentioned. The riker Um I I watched The

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Ready Room. I think they do
a great job with that. It's a

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great follow up if you have a
chance, check it out. When they

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had that discussion, I'm pretty sure
that was something that Jack Quaid improvised and

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they didn't know what was going to
happen, and to do that in front

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of Jonathan is just it's brilliant.
I loved the laughing and smiling Spoku.

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Yeah, I saw one place call
out that that kind of in the cage.

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I think in the pilot episode we
see Spok kind of smiling while he's

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like looking at some flowers, so
it kind of helps to explain that a

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little bit. It was great how
they played that as this unnerving kind of

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thing, like I can imagine the
animated version of that just played perfectly.

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But it's one of those poignant moment
that it also gives us when he's talking

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with Chapel and he's like, Yeah, in my world, he's not like

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that at all. I mean,
none of the history talks him being like

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that, and she's like, so
I have no significant impact on him in

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the future and this is just temporary
and it's not going to last great,

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and it's like, oh god,
So it's a it's a heartbreaking moment in

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the middle of a comedy that just
still works so well. You don't lose

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any comedic timing, you don't lose
any comedic beat for that, but it

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still gives a little bit of depth
to the character. Same kind of thing

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with Pike talking about his father and
the fishing trip yep, that was so

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expertly infused into an otherwise hilarious episode, and Burner's response to that Scott before

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you go on when he says one
day you're going to be gone and the

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people on this ship, which they
had one more day with you, right,

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that is fantastic. Yeah, and
then being real careful about talking how

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you know, talking about his future
and what's going to happen, and they

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you know, the moments when they're
like, we don't want to screw anything

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up, like him even thinking that
bringing up the captain's birthday would be screwing

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up the future. I like,
how chaplain Ortegas are giving him kind of

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hazing him with that, you know, that was fantastic. Even the first

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shot of Boiler in the biobed how
they had the shot framed at the end

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of his feet and you could see
I think they were like insignias on the

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bottom's feet, but it looked like
an animated shot. It made him look

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like an animated character, right,
um, not touching any of the buttons,

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geeking out over the size of the
bridge. I kind of like that

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POV shot that they had where that's
how we would probably act if we were

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exploring that without a doubt. Yeah, you already mentioned like the power walking,

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the boilerisms that come through in this, like when he like screeches in

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the experiment. It's it's so perfectly
Boiler and Mariner. It is such a

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great addition to this whole formula.
Like you spend part of the episode thinking

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you're just gonna get Boiler, and
then we get even more with Mariner so

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so amazingly portrayed by Tawny. My
god, the way that she gets her

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to loosen up, like you can
you can see Mariner so crisply like it's

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exactly like that is in the animated
series when she was sitting at the table

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and they were all talking and they
were looking at me. You know,

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it had zero instructions. And then
she slowly pulled her hands back and you

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hear the on her hands on the
table. Yep, yep. The last

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two big ones that come to mind
for me. I liked the whole device

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of Una on the poster. That
was another poignant, beautiful moment. At

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first, it's a little bit of
an interesting kind of callback to Rebecca Romain

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in her Sports Illustrated Swimsuit days.
Um, so she's kind of like,

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oh, he's got like a pin
up poster, and then you find out

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that just the courtroom episode we just
saw a few episodes ago, becomes this

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inspiration for recruitment and the reason he
joined Starfleet. That was beautiful. The

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second time I watched it, that
actually got me tearing up a little bit.

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I was like, holy crap,
go Una, well done. And

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then the follow up to that seeing
Ransom, Um look at the poster in

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the animated world and he's like,
hey, yeah, she's the best look

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at number one there's ever been.
Ransom is played by Jerry O'Connell, who

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is actually Rebecca's husband in real life. So I love that crossover. David,

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what about you? Um, well, you mentioned quite a few of

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them, but there's a couple of
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back and watched him again and just
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he knows how to track the Orions
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you guys just don't look, and
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that was so smart and it works, it did, It worked so well.

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telling Spock about trading with Orions and
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hear you, I am right here. Yeah, yep. So many good

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moments Wayne, what about you?
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of mine. Um, there's so
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Pike scenes the most. You know, he's frustrated having these time travelers on

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his ship and he but but he
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all the hero warship that Boiler's directing
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about his hair. Um, and
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around on the Bridge and Una says, is this wise and he goes,

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that's that's Pike, um, you
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of Archer in the NX one is
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It really showed a side of Pike
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like this lighter version of him.
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bringing brand new stuff every time we
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You're absolutely correct. And I love
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Mariner said, uh, he even
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he said, oh, I didn't
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for ever talking about all the favorite
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good. So um, I'm probably
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but we're gonna go with it.
Wayne, which character you think shine the

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most? Well? This was actually
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obviously this is Boiler and Marner's episode. I mean that they're there's the center

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stars of this, but I'm only
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this time I'm going to say,
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Rebecca remained played her in this episode. You know, she was reasonably freaked

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out about how Boiler was acting around
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mentioned the poster thinking it was a
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I love that scene too, And
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get the payoff at the end when
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remembered. She's literally the face of
recruitment for Star Fleets. That was that

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was beautiful and that that was so
great. It touched on in the earlier

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episode that with the trial, It's
what an honor they've done to this this

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little character that you know, only
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in two parter that pretty much was
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She is creating this almost completely herself, and she's doing a fantastic job at

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giving us one of the strongest characters
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to defer to you first. I
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I appreciate Wayne went with strange new
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about. But um, at first, I wanted to give it as a

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tie between Quad and Tanny Knewsom,
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to give the edge to boimler um
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little bit more than Mariner in this
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his mannerisms, his movements, um, his squeals, his screams,

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everything was just absolutely phenomenal, in
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I have to give it to him. Yeah, and I'm in a

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similar boat. You really want to
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a power duo. Yeah, the
two of them together are just perfect and

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I can love to see them.
I would love to see them more.

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because I see her really is the
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that that's the intention, but she
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to look at this universe in Yeah, you know what I mean. She

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she does a great job of like, you know, she's the one that

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kind of has her a kind of
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side come out of you. I'm
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but a little bit of a doubt
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it. I think we get a
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and he did a great job,
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Decks really comes through from from Tawny
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you know, again, you know, getting back into ready room looking at

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some of those behind the scenes conversations. I didn't know how much of a

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trek expert she is, but Jack
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need trek knowledge, I go right
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her own podcast, the Pod Directive
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listening to that and I cannot wait
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who has started getting into track through
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perfect gateway into that. Even though
some of the references, it's absolutely there,

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so I've got to give it to
Tawny amazing job. I've also got

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a shout out a couple of things
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Obviously he's the son of Dennis Quaid. I didn't know that he's actually

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the latest Superman on HBO's My Adventures
with Superman, so that's what I'm definitely

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gonna be checking out. And he
almost played Spider Man, and that he

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was the voice of Peter Parker in
Gwen Stacy's Spider Woman Universe and across the

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Spider Verse. Nice. I think
that's amazing. So hats off, Jack,

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You're doing amazing work. Both of
you. Jack and Tawny, keep

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it up. Thank you for everything. So if you could be any character

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in this episode, who would it
be? And why Wayne I'm pitching it

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to you. Oh, no doubt. Boiler of course. He's literally the

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ultimate Star Trek fan. He's he's
all of us Trek. He's out there

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and I have no problem using that
word. He gets to have his own

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time travel episode, he gets to
meet his heroes, he gets to walk

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alongside them. Many of yours return
back to what I think is the most

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fun ship in Starfleet Day the Sarritas. He is living the most perfect star

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trek life and having a blast doing
it. So I mean, who wouldn't

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want to be him? Absolutely good, good choice, and I would expect

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you to pick that one. So
will done, Wayne Scott, what about

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you? Um, I'll give a
Hoffman answer and say, um, it

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wouldn't be a character. It would
probably be director Jonathan Fraakes. But seeing

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seeing all of this stuff come together
is amazing. If it has to be

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a character, I completely agree,
Boimler. If nothing else to do.

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The Riker moment, Yeah, that's
classic for me. I'm going with Spock

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because he is clearly just having a
ton of fun doing experience, smiling and

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being socially awkward. Yea, yea. And those smiles and the use of

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the laughs were just so perfectly they
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of that room before that thing explodes, he didn't say anything. I love

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that. That that made me laugh. Yeah, it was great, It

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was great. All right, you
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uh, to cap everything off,
this is, in my opinion,

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Strange New Worlds. This is their
high point. This is this is the

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episode people will be talking about for
years to come. This episode will be

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most remembered. It will be the
episode that gets the most the most rewatches

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from this series. This is Strange
News World's version of sitting on the edge

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forever of yesterday's enterprise, trials and
tribulations flashback. We've we've already hit the

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high point in the second season.
I cannot wait to see what comes up

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next. Yeah, and David,
let's talk about what we're seeing in the

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trailer for next week. So,
um, yes, Scott, So what

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is it under the Cloak of War? I believe it is, yep,

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so getting a very stark contrast to
this week. It looks like we get

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a look into the battlefront of the
Klingon War, and we get a little

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bit of a closer look into the
past of Embanga and Chapel, a little

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bit of back history on Ortegas,
and it seems to be a very tense

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episode. So coming after what we
just talked about, it'll it'll be a

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bit of whiplash, but I think
it's absolutely worth it. It's back to

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our normally scheduled program. Yeah right, I agree, Yeah, yeah,

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totally agree. Well, we're gonna
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