Strange New Wednesdays - Under the Cloak of War

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Space, the Final Frontier. These
are the voyages of Strange New Wednesdays.

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Hello everyone, and welcome back the
Strange New Wednesdays. Will we continue to

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talk everything about the current season of
Star Trek Strange New Worlds once again,

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Redd Alert, Please be worn.
Spoilers our ahead, so if you haven't

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seen this week's episode, please stop, go watch it and then come back

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to join us. I am David
Burns often and I'm Wayne White. Today

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we are discussing season two, episode
eight, Under the Cloak over War Incoming

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Transport. Incoming Transport. We get
a big shift in this episode from the

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laid back comedy of those old scientists
to this much serious, dark episode about

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war and dealing with PTSD. Wayne, can you give us a recap of

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this episode? Yeah? It definitely
was a one hundred and eighty degree turn,

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wasn't it? But here we go. The Enterprise place host to Ambassador

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Drocra, who during the Klingon War
was known to have killed his own officers

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for attacking civilians on the Moon of
Jacal before defecting to the Federation. His

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presence on board ship has split opinion
upon the crew. Veterans of the war,

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including Chapel, Artigas and the Benga, despise and distrust him, while

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others who didn't serve believe he should
be given a second chance at redemption.

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DoCRA states that he is there to
bring peace to the two war races,

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but the ghosts of the past still
haunt those who fought, and for doctor

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Membinga may bring out a darker side
that he's kept hidden for a very long

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time. You know, Um,
we finally get that origin story from Membinga

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and Chapel. Um, you know
that that we've been wanting. Um,

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you know, we get some flashbacks
scenes with them in the war, you

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know, helping the wounded and dying
in which to me is some of the

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darkest Star Trek I have seen.
Yes, you know, getting to see

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actual surgery which we don't really get
to see in Star Trek and all that

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blood was just a shock to me. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely get

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to see a how how shocking that
side is for the characters in those roles.

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Uh specifically, Uh, lets see
ensign Inman played by Brendan jeffers Um

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kind of has this. I think
he has this line of dialogue where he's

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talking about, you know, I
signed up to explore. I didn't signed

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up to be a soldier, but
here I am and having to just keep

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getting shoved back into the front lines. It was. It was rough.

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It was and you know, just
you mentioned, you know, seeing what

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we had last week, but there's
old scientists and moving to this, it

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was what a shock. And you
know what I love about to do is

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this This episode in the last episode
just shows you the range these actors have.

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You know, they go from such
a light, fun hearted episode,

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you know, to this very serious, dark tone of under the Cloak of

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war. I mean, just phenomenal
performances across the board. Yeah, especially

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when you see doctor Embenga's reaction when
doctor comes into the medical bay, the

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look on his face just kind of
backing up and the horror from that.

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We've gotten kind of glimpses of this, we've gotten kind of hints at it

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with him and Chappell, but just
so perfectly executed in this. But it's

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it's always been in the past for
them before now here finally it's right there

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in front of them. They'd have
to confront this right there, and it

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brings it's bringing up so many different
and terrible emotions to all of the veterans

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of this war. And you can
see that in Ambinga the PTSD was getting

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I mean when he was like shaking
and just trying to control himself right holding

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his heart. Yeah, yeah,
just wow. And then and then when

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Chapel step in said I'll handle this
so that he could go, you know,

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go away, and then she just
moved on in. It just my

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goodness, man. It just the
at tension there and it looks it looks

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dramatic the way he was he was
doing where he was shaking and steading.

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That is very very accurate. I
can tell you to PTSD and a lot

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of the veterans that I see,
UM, very accurate. They have these

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these physical almost it's almost like a
heart attack. It it's it's a very

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physical manifestation rather than just mental.
And he played it perfectly. He did.

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Um, this is one of the
best performances I've seen him give.

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And I'm probably already gonna give away
who I think is the shines the most

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in this and I'm just giving it
away because he was phenomenal in this episode

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and it really was his episode.
I know. I know Chappell was there

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too, um and you know,
we get to see her side of how

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she met and membang and you know, got involved with the war and stuff

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like that. But just his brilliant
acting. Just like you said, Wayne,

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you know, it's almost like he
went and studied the reaction to people

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who really have PTSD in order to
be able to perform that, because you're

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right, he was incredible with that. Yeah, this was a really dark

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turn for that character. I mean, oh yeah, you'd I'd say,

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I'd call him he's a damaged man. He's traumatized by the actions during the

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war. He's suffering from some serious
physical psychological scars that's created. But I'm

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glad that the writers went with this. We we have too many characters and

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start Trek that I would say have
perfect lives that a greader, you know,

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clean, they're perfect disparsier to see
a character in this franchise presented with

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histories like this and this, this
isn't something that the writers can just just

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do as a story of the week
and push off to the side and forget

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about it. Think the writers will
need to have to follow this through because

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all of us are out there wondering
what is going to happen to him.

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I won't mention what's going on to
the in the ending right now, we'll

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get onto that, but there are
definitely far reaching consequences from what happens in

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this episode. Well, you touched
on something they're wayne that. You know,

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we alluded to a little bit toward
in the beginning of this episode.

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And you know, Star Trek has
always been that that clean, shiny,

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everything's perfect, you know, in
this in this galaxy, in this galaxy,

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in this world is universe. This
episode is nowhere near that. We're

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seeing a side of Star Trek that
we've never really seen or explored. That's

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why those flashbacks. He just caught
me by surprise, because I'm like,

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wow, this is mark for Star
Track. Yeah, try things like this

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before in D Space nine, that
was a major war story, and they

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tried episodes like this, but never
to this extreme. Never, never anything

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like this, not with not with
this blood, just dirt, this grimes,

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this psychological impact, It's it's incredible
what they're trying to do here.

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Yeah, and I mean that first
scene where we have Chapel coming into the

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scene and um, you know being
told like there's no landing pad, we

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just kind of drive by and drop
you off. And when she was being

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led through by Buck Martinez played by
Howard, it brought me back to Mash.

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Right, yeah, very much Mash
kind of feel to it where it's

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kind of like we're on the front
lines, about as close as you can

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get. We do the best we
can with what we have, we have

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to triage and move on. I
think that was a very clever, you

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know, ten City, a very
clever way of showing that angle of warm

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and very shocking. I thought the
first scene where m chappell was trying to

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treat somebody who had massive damage to
every organ and I thought, all right,

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Amenga's going to have to kind of
like, you know, discuss the

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reality of like we might have to
make a tough decision here, and decides

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to keep him in the transport buffer, which it sounds like they're doing with

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a few characters. I thought that
he was actually lying to her in that

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instance and just saying, you know, we're going to do this, but

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he's ultimately not going to make it. But I need you to move on

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from this, So we're just going
to triage and kind of get through it.

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And that leads to important scene later
Scott too. Yeah, yeah,

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when he has to delete it.
Yeah, especially considering what he was going

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through with his daughter. Yeah,
I'm glad to brought that up. The

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same kind of thing, the same
thing, yeah, oh, because you

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goose bumps. Yeah, And you've
got a rounding out this trifactor of war

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veterans that are, you know,
having to you know, push down some

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emotions and kind of balance that with
their duties. Ortegas, who again an

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amazing performance here, and you get
three different angles. You get Abenga,

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who is who has been on the
front lines the longest with this but also

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has to wrestle with expectations that people
have of him as a warrior, as

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a soldier. You've got Chapel,
who's just getting introduced to the front lines

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and having to experience that and go
through it with Ambenga. And then you've

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got Artegas as a pilot who has
seen friends, who has lost friends on

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of her own and gone through the
horrors from from her angle. And I

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think the way that they show the
three of them handle diplomacy. Ortegas does

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it with such respect and reverence.
She doesn't go to insubordination. She has

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a whoops moment on the bridge,
but at dinner when she kind of stands

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up and just kind of stands there
and you know, doesn't throw a fork

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down or anything. I was like
that, just stands up with respect to

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say, like I don't feel comfortable
being here. Yeah, very important moment.

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And you see with those three characters
too, three different ways of dealing

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with the trauma that they went through
with Mebenga he is hiding it deep inside

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of him, Chapel is pretty much
denying it a lot. She's she's just

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pretty much not ignoring it until it
comes out. And then Ortegas is just

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she has new Filder. She's bringing
it all out and saying everything she wants

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to say on her mind. Yeah. That that whole dinner scene when they

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were all in there together and then
some of them had to excuse themselves,

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Ortegas had to leave him in Chapel
went after her. And then the scene

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where Membinga was in there and he
was starting to break and Pluck recognized it

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right away and he leaned over.
He says if you want to go check

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on him, to go ahead,
because he knew what was happening with Membinga

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and get him out of here.
And of course what does that lead to

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when membing is trying to leave the
room. Oh yeah, that scene I

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audibly shouted. I was like,
don't do that, do not do that

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when doc Ra kind of you know, grabs him by the arm to stop

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him and say like, you know, I heard that. You you know,

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practice martial arts and we should really
sparse sometime, we should have some

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sessions as he has been gripping the
arm of his chair the entire time,

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trying to hold it in. Oh
god, so tense it was, and

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may just it's just, oh my
god, I can't stop myself in watching

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that because you could feel what Membinga
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that kudos through the writers there and
the performance of him before that, because

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it's enabled for them to make you
feel like that you have been pulled into

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that story, which means you care
about what's going on. That's incredible.

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Yeah, And I want to take
a moment to just call specifically the writers

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out, you know, a Kiva
Goldsman, Alex Kurtzman, Jenny Lumt,

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Davy Perez, and Nitri Johnson.
This is an example of why the writers

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are so important on these types of
show shows. They're they're the lifeblood of

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it because you see the power of
this episode versus the comedy of the previous

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and to see that it all still
fits within the same show. It's absolutely

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incredible. And we let's go ahead
and talk about the ending, guys.

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Um, everybody's where we've got spoilers
here? Um, that that ending caught

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me by surprise, every everything that
happened, what was going on with men

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being a to find out mem Mingo
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you know was responsible for killing the
Klingons and stuff like that, right right,

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he's actually he was the butcher.
Yeah, And then we get that

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obscure shot behind that like screen to
see did he start the fight or did

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or did um cut with his name? Um the doc ra did doc Ross

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start to fight? You know,
we kind of know who did. But

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and then Chapel comes to his defense, which of course she would you would

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too if you were in an experience
like they did together, you absolutely would

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protect one another. And this really
takes these two characters in a completely different

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direction than we were expecting. Yeah, this is going to have ramifications for

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that character in the years to come. And it makes sense because when this

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series was first announced and they first
announced that Mebinga was going to be the

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chief medical Officer in the Enterprise,
I was a little confused and surprised,

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because you know, this isn't a
new character. This isn't some of them

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creative for this series. We've seen
this character before. He was in two

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episodes of the original series, but
he was not the chief medical officer.

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He was serving under under doctor McCoy, and there's another doctrine between Mebinga and

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McCoy. I can't think of who
it was that served on Enterprise too,

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But why wasn't he still chief medical
officer? Is this Are we seeing the

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beginning of a storyline that's leading to
his demotion? I think you're right it

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could be. I mean, who
knows where where they're leading with this.

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As long as we see we see
more and we see the effect of his

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actions continuing on in the story.
And I really hope that's more of a

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slow burn than anything I do,
because you don't want him to go away

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as CMO anytime soon, David,
When you were mentioning the ending of this,

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I kind of thought of another ending
that we saw with the analogy of

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the biobed that he still has a
hard time of fixing and then he finally

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gets it fixed and then it kind
of flickers in and out. Such a

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brilliant piece of writing there to have
that analogy like it's going to work for

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a while, but it has to
keep you know, it needs help,

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it needs continual maintenance to try to
you know, get it to do what

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it needs to do. It's right. And to have him go through that,

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oh so good, I know,
I know. Well, let's talk

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about some of our favorite moments in
this episode, Wayne, any for you?

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Ah? Well, you know,
I always have fun trying to find

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the continuity and the episodes, and
there was there was a few, not

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too many, kind of some of
them were a little vague. But the

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one big thing I noticed was Jail
notice in the recap that we saw all

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scenes from Discoveries first season and scenes
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It's pretty much been forgotten now.
I was really surprised to see that,

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and I was really surprised not to
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was kind of hoping that they would
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what Deep Space Nine did with the
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never saw anything more of them,
so I don't I don't know their reasoning

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for showing those scenes. But there
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Just the the whistle, the Bostwain
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using Star Trek sixty Undiscovered Country,
and even then in that movie, what

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they whistled it for the arrival of
the Klingons. And we got Racca Gino,

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which was Jazia Dax's favorite drink on
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in this same type of cup too. I was actually rather impressed with that.

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Pike and his cooking goes to Mabinga
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Delta, we saw that that's from
Star Trek, the motion picture that is

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where Aliah came from. The the
they are very sexually advanced race on that

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planet, so I can only imagine
what they're what they're partley can do to

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you. And of course you know
this, the sonic showers that's something we

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rarely ever saw in the show was
sonic showers. I think they showed it

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once in Voyager and lower decks had
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remember the next generation they had regular
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a choice. The officers must be
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real showers or sonic showers, but
they were in there. And then my

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favorite Easter egg, it's not really
an Easter egg, but my favorite thing

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was Clint Howard. I mean,
he deserves to be on this show.

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This is his fifth Star Trek series
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we're talking to someone that that was
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in the first aired episode of the
original series, and it's great seeing him

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continue on. But um, you
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that dinner scene. I won't go into

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too much details, we've already talked
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that also reminded me of the dinner
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yeah, since that scene was and
how it didn't quite go the way

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it should have and it showed out
to you know, nobody holds it in

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it really brought out some of the
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the actress had. It's such an
uncomfortable scene to watch. And Spock coming

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to the rescue of Chapel to getting
the subject chance. Yes, that was

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That was a nice touch too.
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you know, acknowledging like that's not
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and Chappell saying like, this is
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Yeah, it's not about you.
Please don't make it about you because I

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need I need to get through this
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give me time, give me space. That was that was so well done.

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I love that depth that they're giving
to that relationship. Absolutely, Scott,

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what about you? Aside from what
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I like that kind of encouraging refrain
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think this is the last we're going
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that, you know, that gesture
where they kind of rub under the eye.

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come up here. I thought it
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to that that battle enhancer that we
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the one who engineered that, and
when he gets approached by you know,

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somebody who's trying to get more soldiers
and he's just like, I I can't

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do it. The scene where the
ensign Um is coming back out after they've

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had to literally pump his heart with
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I gotta go back out there,
and it's kind of like, how can

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you, buddy speaking? Yeah?
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so young. Um. And then
you know, obviously Clinton Howard did an

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amazing job. I love the fact
that he couldn't get any sayings right where

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he would say, well, running
up the flag pole and see if it

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whacks. Yeah, like he got
messing up those things, you know,

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totally understandable and yeah. And then
last thing is just that relentless refraid of

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incoming transport. Yeah. Just that
sounded like the choppers from Mash right.

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It was. It was very very
creepy and just put you on edge,

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like war should of of incoming wounded. You know. That was a really

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cool touch to put into a Star
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very much. My biggest part of
love of the scenes that I love were

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the flashback scenes, the war scenes, but the director in me the photograph.

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For me, I have to call
out the transitions they did moving back

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and forth from the flashbacks to present
day, going back and forth. I

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thought their transitions were phenomenal in this. Yes, and I you know,

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I love to call out creators and
editors when I see stuff like that,

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and they should be called out for
this because that was fantastic work and it

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added to the depth of the emotions
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this episode. So, you know, kudos to him for the good work.

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Great work. Absolutely, I do
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I know we're running along. But
as far as guest stars, Robert

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Wisdom as Doc Raw, yeah,
I think he did a great job at

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that diplomat that you you really want
to hate, but he's doing such a

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good job of being being a diplomat
that you can't quite trust. So hats

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off to that actor for his work
in this and to he and to Abs

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for their their sparring scenes. Again
knowing that Babs is a black black belt

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in Brazilian jiu jitsu, so to
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down, you don't see anger,

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you don't see like rage filled faces. The closest you get is when he

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has the chance to like hit doc
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shaking fist just at Bay. Yep, it was just so tense, but

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such a great use of that actor's
background. Yeah, I've already given mine

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away. So which character do you
think shine the most? Wayne? Oh,

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there's no doubt we've been this season. We've been working through all the

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characters. Each character has gotten their
own episode, and now we're down to

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the Benga. I mean, you
can't deny this is this is this is

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his episode. You know, it's
great that everyone's been able to get an

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episode to shine. We've got two
more episodes left. I think probably the

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next two are pretty a pike.
But this is a dark turn for this

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character. We've mentioned so much more
already before, So I won't go into

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two judge detail, but please,
writers continue with this storyline. Yeah,

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please, Scott? What about you? Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree.

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It absolutely spotlights Benga, and Babs
does such an amazing job of portraying

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this character. The writers have done
an amazing job at giving this character so

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much more depth than when we already
had so much depth to explore in season

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one. The characters are only getting
richer. Yeah, it's it's a tough

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call. We've got that strong trifecta
that I was talking about before with the

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Benga Chapel and Artegas, but for
me, it's got to be in bigger

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It's It's funny. The three of
us in a few episodes have already mentioned

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that the actors and the characters in
this show have become so good with each

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other that we feel like it's the
Next Generation all over again with their chemistry.

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I read an article the other day
John and Freaks pretty much said the

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exact same thing. He said,
this feels like the Next Generation crew all

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over again because of their chemistry.
And it's true. It is absolutely true.

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Yeah, So, if you could
be any character in this episode,

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who would it be? And why? Scott? I don't want to be

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a Buck Bartinez. As much as
he has to go through all those horrors

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of war, it'd be interesting to
see, you know, how he handles

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this from day to day. It'd
be interesting to see his relationship with Benga

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before Nurse Chapel arrives. I don't
think I would want to have to live

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through what he did, but it
looks like an interesting character to kind of

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live through. Yeah, absolutely,
Wayne, What about you, Well,

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I can tell you it's not definitely
not gonna be Benga m I have no

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desire to go through what he did. But I'm gonna tell you this isn't

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gonna be a funny answer for me
this time because I'm going to see Chapel.

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Oh as as you two know most
of this, don't you know.

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I'm a long serving paramedic and I
understand the feeling, the frustrations that everything

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the Chapel was going through. It's
it's it's rough, But you know,

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there's a strong line between your the
intentions that you have on the field,

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what you want to do, and
what you're able to do with the resources

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that you have. And it can
be very frustrating when you find yourself helpless

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to do anything or when the situations
escalate beyond what you're capable of dealing with

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it. But you keep you keep
focused, you you do your job,

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and you hope that that whatever efforts
you're able to make makes a difference for

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at least one person. Uh.
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was going through. This is what
they were showing in the flashback scenes.

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And and um, I can relate
in every way to what she was feeling.

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It's and Jess Bush, She's isn't
she wonderful? Oh? She's incredible.

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I mean I look at the character
of Christine Chapel and I see a

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whole new perspective on the character.
You know, she's she's making this one

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of the all time great characters in
the Star Trek universe week after week.

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And and I know she's she's doing
such honor to Mijel Barrett, who was

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so limited to her appearances and what
she could do in the original series in

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the movies, that it's fantastic that
that Jess has been able to take this

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character and the writers and the writers, uh and and make it such a

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great character to watch every week.
I just can't wait to see what they're

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going to do in the next two
episodes and for the seasons in the future.

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And if she's listening, please do
some convention us police, please,

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will will all three come and we'll
tell you in person exactly how we feel,

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Yes we will, and any member
of the cast, they're a delight

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to meet in person. And I
would love to just geek out these members.

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I did I got back in March. I'll tell you everybody to eat

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Anson Mount and he is the nicest
person. If you have a chance to

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meet him, meet him please,
He's he's fantastic. Yeah. Well for

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me, I'm going with Laon because
well she didn't get to do too much,

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but she was always around and well, come on, guys, she's

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a badass. Any other Easter eggs
that you guys might have found besides Clint

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Howard being the biggest one, I
think, yeah, I think I mentioned

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him all you did? Okay,
so well we know what the next episode

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is going to be. It looks
like we might be going back to a

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little bit of a fun episode.
Uh Subspace Rhapsody. Uh. It is

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apparently the musical that we have always
wanted in Star Trek right, right and

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Wayne. This is a first for
Star Trek right, I believe so.

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I don't remember them ever breaking out
in song before other than you hear,

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but I don't know. I'm waiting
till next week to watch it and see

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what I feel you know, I
have faith in the these writers, so

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I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. It makes me think of a I

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don't know how many people watch Buffy
the Vampire Slayer, but they had that

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musical episode where they couldn't do anything
but just saying everything. It feels like

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it's going to be that and I
can't wait to see it. Yeah,

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I knew everybody's talking about the musical
episode that I'm We've got two more episodes

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left and I'm really curious to what
they're gonna do for the season. For

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now, we know what's going to
kind of what's going to happen. It's

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the Gorns are going to reappear.
Oh yeah, But my curiosity is they're

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They're not supposed to have met the
Gorns by now, so are they going

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to change continuity or are they going
to try to find some clever way of

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sticking to what we've seen and know
already. That's a good question. Well

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