Nov. 3, 2025

Sydney Pollack - Out of Africa

Sydney Pollack - Out of Africa
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Season 6A Film By...

Following our Robert Redford tribute episode, we couldn't pass up the opportunity to dive into one of his movies that was mentioned, especially as it celebrates it's 40th anniversary. Amber and Andrew discuss the beauty of the African plains, the surrounding dangers, and the romanticism of hair washing in Sydney Pollack's superb 1985 drama, Out of Africa!

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Andrew.

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If you were free to go off and have an

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adventure in a wild part of the world, where would

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you go?

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That is so hard to say. There's so many beautiful places,

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especially as an animal lover. A part of me things

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like Northern Canada or Alaska. I goanna se bears, but

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I think there's a part of me that always is

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drawn to North Africa. It's beautiful, it's wild, it's interesting,

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it's different culture, it's different everything. And I mean, who

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doesn't want to see lions, right right?

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I like the African thing, but I want to do

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it like in the time period of this maybe, like

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like the nineteen tens, nineteen twenties, So I need a

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time machine as well as a plane ticket. But we

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kind of have something in common because for me, I

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love polar bears. I always have They're my favorite animal.

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So you can go to this town.

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Called Churchill in Manitoba, Canada and do like a polar

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bear excursion, and I would love to do that.

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So it's it's funny that you mentioned that. I actually,

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about an hour ago, was just listening to a podcast

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about a polar bear attack in Churchill, and it was

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in twenty thirteen on Halloween, so that's why they were

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doing it this month. But yeah, it's They also covered

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the lions of Tsavo, which is the wonderful vol killer

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movie The Darkness. Yeah, it's about that. So they've covered

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a lot of real animal attacks. It's a phenomenal podcast

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called Tooth and Claw. But I just listened about Churchill

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and was already thinking, hey, we should go there, right.

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I thought it was a little bit safer than that, But.

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But polar bears are always a little bit.

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Of a right there, an apex predator, what are you

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gonna do?

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But every time they mentioned Zavo in this movie, like, I.

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Got a chill.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and they mentioned it several times.

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Yeah, all right, Well, speaking of wild parts of the world,

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we tonight are going to be talking about a film

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by Sydney Pollock celebrating its fortieth anniversary, his nineteen eighty

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five classic Out of Africa. Welcome to the Film By Podcast.

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I'm Amber Lewis.

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And I am Andrew Blakeley.

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And so we have a little bit of a different

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film choice for our listeners on this episode. We usually

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do underrated films, but this is definitely a classic. It

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won seven Academy Awards. But if you listened to our

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tribute to Robert Redford last month, we learned that Andrew

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had never seen Out of Africa, while I myself have

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seen it dozens of times. So we thought it would

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be fun to cover this film from like two different perspectives.

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Yeah, I'm so glad that you mentioned it too, because

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this is one of those movies when I was growing up,

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I never would have watched. They looked boring. Obviously it's

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not I know that now, but I think you know,

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as a kid, when you see these kind of movies,

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it's like Legends of the follow or something like that,

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where you know, as an eight year old, you're like, please, no,

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I don't want to watch that. But now as an adult,

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I can definitely appreciate a lot more.

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Well, and I can remember when it came out. It

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was everywhere, like you heard the soundtrack on television every

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two minutes because the trailer was showing, and you know,

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it won so many awards that it was all anybody

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was talking about, so you kind of got beat into

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submission with it. It was like, watch this movie because that's

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all anybody's talking about.

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Well, and I obviously missed that train you know, because

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I wasn't born for a few years.

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Right, So let's kick things off talking about Sidney Pollock,

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the director of this movie, who I just adore. I

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love it when he would pop up in one of

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his movies.

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It was just such a treat.

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He's one of those rare directors that had as many

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or more acting credits as he had directing credits.

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Yeah. I kind of think of him first as an actor,

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and I you know, obviously he's made amazing movies. But

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I think in I picture his face, I picture him

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on the screen. But I love that the you know

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Redford as well. You know, he has obviously has some

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great directing credits. I think, you know, if you've got

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an eye for film, if you understand character and you

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understand story, why not do both? And clearly he's got

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the talent for it. This is a beautiful, beautiful film.

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Yeah, absolutely so. Some facts about some fun facts about

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Sidney Pollack. He was mentored by Bert Lancaster. Oh he

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Pollock began his career as an actor, but after Burt

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Lancaster observed him coaching child actors on the set of

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the movie The Young Savages, he said to Pollock, why

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are you horsing around trying to be an actor? You

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should be a director. And then he arranged for Pollock

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to start like directing episodes of TV dramas and from.

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There he would call him.

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Lancaster would call him to do like uncredited work on

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a picture if he was having trouble and like a

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scene wasn't working or he wasn't communicating with the director,

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well he'd be like, hey, kid, come work on this movie.

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For a couple of days.

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Yeah, it doesn't really get much better than that, and

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you have the hands on practice at the hands of

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one of the greats. Like that's fortunate. Yeah, and it worked.

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Like I love Burt Lancaster, but I love him a

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little bit more now. But it like fits his personality

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though too.

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Yeah, he was definitely a character. I think, you know,

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it makes sense that he would, you know, be I

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don't want to say breaking the mold, but just like, yeah,

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having fun with it, like, yeah, come on, try this out.

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I think I think you got to die for it.

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You know. He doesn't seem like a stuffed shirt type.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Another fact about Sidney Pollock, he believed his creative relationship

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with Robert Redford to be the most.

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Important of his career.

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From nineteen sixty six to nineteen ninety they made seven

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films together, and he said, we did films in our thirties,

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in our forties and our fifties.

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I've grown old with him.

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Yeah. I did not realize how many they had done

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together until like I was watching this and obviously I'm,

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you know, pulling up Pollocks, you know, his filmography, and

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I was just like, oh, Redford, Redford, Redford, which I

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get it. I mean, if you got that kind of talent,

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you got that kind of working relationship, Like clearly they

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understood each other. That's I love seeing that. You love

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seeing one a great director, Like I know you're a

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huge Nolan fan. Obviously he's got his favorites he goes

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back to. I love seeing that because you know it,

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if you can find somebody that can help fulfill your vision,

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why wouldn't you keep going back to them?

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You know, yes, yes, And I think it just I

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don't know, somehow it makes the movies more interesting when

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you know that, like this director has their little cast

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that they always go back to that well, you know,

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and are able to use them in interesting ways. They

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don't always cast them as the same person every time, and.

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It works like the same with a composers as well.

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If you're using the same composer for every one of

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your films. That collaboration isn't just good because you know

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what you're going to get, but it's also you guys

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can play into each other's strengths or support each other's weaknesses,

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and I think that you both grow and become better

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and the art becomes better as a result.

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Yes, absolutely, I totally agree.

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The last fun fact that I have he was an

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accomplished jazz pianist and an avid pilot.

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I did not know that he doesn't seem like a jazz.

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Guy well or like, I don't know, he's so he

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seems very kinetic. So to do something that's relatively you know,

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insular where you're sitting at a piano just like the

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plain thing kind of makes sense.

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But oh yeah, yeah, that that makes perfect sense. I mean,

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especially when you watch this movie. Like I wouldn't say

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flying is narratively huge part of it, but it is

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obviously one that they took a lot of of joy

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and filming, and they understood that the beauty of the

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getting to fly over the African continent. It was just beautiful, like.

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Kenny's beautiful country.

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So yes, they really showed that well.

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And I love that they used that old gypsy moth

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like those early planes are just beautiful.

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Oh yeah, yeah, my brother his email address is still

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staggering because we just love biplanes growing up. They're they're

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the open cockpit like I've always I've always wanted to

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fly in one, unfortunately never have yet. But it's just

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so beautiful, so fun on it's so romantic.

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Yes, well, and also kind of it reminds me of

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my dad liked to drive a stick because he felt

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like it was really driving more than just kind of

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holding onto the wheel in an automatic.

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And I feel like it would be that.

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Way in the open cockpit too, like you're you're really flying.

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Yeah, you're feeling it, you know. It's it's art as

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much as it is science. I like that. Yeah.

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And then the quote that I picked, I just picked

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it because my dad's from Indiana and Sydney Pollocket was

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from Indiana. He said, I'm from Indiana. If I get it,

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everyone gets it. I just thought that was great.

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Maybe maybe that's why I love Kurt Vonnegut so much.

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He was he was a Hoosier as well, and you know,

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he's some some of the most relatable works. So they

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make good stuff.

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They tell it like it is.

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Yeah, all right, so let's get to actually talking about

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this film. Like I said, it won seven Academy Awards

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for Best Picture, Best Director, Adapted Screenplay, Cinematography, Original Score, Sound,

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and Art Direction. Andrew I'm gonna give us a little synopsis.

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It's very short and sweet. In twentieth century colonial Kenya,

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a Danish baroness plantation owner has a passionate love affair

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with a free spirited big game hunter.

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Simple direct and to the point, I feel like that

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barely encompasses how much of this movie, Like what all

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this movie is. I mean, I don't feel like Redford

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really becomes a major part of it until maybe two

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a third of the way through. Oh at least, Yeah,

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it's it's to me, it feels much more like the

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romance of it is more of the poetic romance of Africa.

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Like their love is obviously the driving narrative feature, but

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like this movie was made to celebrate colonial Africa, you know,

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and what it was and what was taken from them,

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and just celebrate the land. And I think that's why

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why Redford's character of Dennis is is such a good character,

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because he really leans into the romance of this doesn't

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belong to us, you know, we're just passing through and

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the freedom and the wild nature that comes with that.

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He's such a great like inroad for us, especially, you know,

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us as white people who like, I don't know about you.

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I've never been to Kenya. I love their coffee. That's

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really the main thing I know about them. So it's

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a really good in for us to have a character

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like him kind of walk us through that.

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Absolutely. Let's take a quick break and then when we

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come back, we're going to dig into the cast and crew. Okay,

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so first and foremost Out of Africa is one hundred

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percent Meryl Street. Oh yeah, as Karen Blixon. She like

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is in almost every scene.

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Yeah. I hadn't thought about it, but you're right, they're really.

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There's a couple, like you've talked about, there's some transition

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periods as time passes where you're just looking at the

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beauty of Africa, and then there's like two conversations I

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think between Brarr and Dennis that she's not involved in,

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and I think she's in every other scene.

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Yeah, I think I can think of one between Dennis

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and Barkley when he's when he's sick, and that's about it.

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But yeah, she's on screen for three straight hours basically,

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and it's I mean, it's Meryl Streep, so of course

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she nails it. Like you don't really have to say that.

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it's Meryl absolutely.

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I mean, sometimes, you know, I run hat and cold

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with her.

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I either love her or she gets on my nerves.

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But this, this is a performance that I feel like

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and I feel like part of it is the accent,

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but I feel like she just disappears completely.

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Yeah, the opening when she starts, so I you know,

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I watches the first time blind, you know, other than

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you telling me to watch it and knowing that there

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was a romantic hair washing scene, I knew nothing. So

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when she comes on and you hear that Danish accent,

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I was like, oh no, Like I hate a fake,

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forced accent. It kills me. But she nails it, and

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it feels so natural coming from her that I honestly

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forgot about it pretty quickly, which I mean that's hard

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to do because again I'm not usually a fi.

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Well, and like, Danish isn't something you hear often.

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You know, you hear people do British accents or different

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you know, regions of America or whatever, but you know,

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Danish is not one that I that I hear that often,

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So that could be a little off putting if you're

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you know, not a fan. So I'm glad that it

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was grading on you.

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Maybe that's why it wasn't so bad, because like you know,

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when they do British, you can hear when they do

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it wrong, or when they do Southern you can hear

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when that doesn't sound right. I couldn't tell you if

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she screwed up Danish because I don't know enough Danish people,

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so right, I think.

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It was mesmerizing.

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I and her voice is a little deeper too, Like

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it was just completely interesting to me.

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But I kind of like when you have a.

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Movie like this and your lead focus truly does carry

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the movie, like this is her story, this is her movie,

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Like you really don't care about anybody else.

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You want to know what's happening through her eyes. So

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I kind of like that. Do you feel like it's

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too much or no?

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I think a lot of actors could let this fall short,

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or a lot of directors could maybe let the character

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stay stagnant. But I think because her growth throughout the

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movie is she's constantly changing and learning and doing, and

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so you're curious about what's going to happen next. You know,

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it's not like she's just an observer. She really is

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changing constantly throughout the movie. And so, yeah, like you said,

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it's super engaging and for three hours, that's that's not

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easy to do.

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Yeah, But I I do love that arc that she

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has where she starts out and she's almost a colonialist,

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like she's really trying to make it.

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You know.

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Even Finchatten says to her, like, isn't this Denmark? Because

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she's got her househut set up just like she was

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at home, you know, and she brought probably everything she owned.

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She has so much stuff. Yeah, And then over time

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you watch, is that all just kind of falls away?

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And it's so interesting the way she embraces just this

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wild country.

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Yeah, and it changes her for the better in so

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many ways. Like at the beginning, you know, the driving

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force for her to go to Africa was to marry,

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to be a baroness, to use her money and her

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wealth for title and you know, status, and by the

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end of it, she's using her status for good. She's

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using her status to help and she doesn't really care

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necessarily about the title as much. She doesn't care about

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those things. She wants to help the people who are

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on her land. She wants all these things, and so

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she's still powerful. Even at the beginning. She's very self assured,

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she's very confident, which I love, but her intentions shift entirely.

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And I also love that they don't make that necessarily

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Finchatton's doing, like he definitely helps, and they definitely build

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off of each other, but it's something she just develops

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naturally throughout it. There was no like Savior that convinced

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her or anything like that, you know what I mean.

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Yes, yes, well, And I love this time period as well,

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where you've got this marriage of you know, we're using

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kerosene lanterns, but then we also have now we're starting

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to get cars and you know, that mashup of old

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and new technology. And I love that period in part

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because everything was so new, Like she just went to

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this place, you know, there was hardly any kind of

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community there when she got there, and the bravery that

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it would take to be like, I'm gonna go start

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a farm, let's see what happens. It just blows my mind.

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Yeah, especially with the likes of her her husband Broer,

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who I think, you know, I was kind of doing

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a deep dive on these people because this is based

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on a true story. I'm of the opinion that I

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think the real Broer was gay and this was sort

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of a a not necessarily lavender marriage. But you know,

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they're marrying for status or anything, like they were still

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they were best friends even after they got divorced, Like

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they got along. He just really wasn't interested in having

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a wife, and so I think this is one of

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the situations where like he was her gay friend and

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they married to help, you know, build each other up.

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That doesn't come through in the movie, But that's my theory.

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Obviously we'll never know if it's true or not. But right, yeah,

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like you said, though, they both moved this area, and

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that's wild, that's that's insane, that's an insane thing to do.

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But she immediately steps up, she knows her shit, She

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takes over, she takes control of this farm. And coffee

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farms are no joke. They are a lot of work

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and they require a lot of maintenance, and she doesn't

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know anything about it out of the gate, so she's

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got to learn all this stuff on the fly. And

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that's that's badass.

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Well, and it doesn't really come through in the movie,

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but that farm that she was on was like six

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thousand acres and she had like eight hundred CCUO laborers

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working on that farm. Like it was not some little,

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you know, meager little farm.

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It was like a straight up plantation.

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Yeah, And I mean, you need that, especially at that time,

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to be profitable in the coffee industry. But it can

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be a really good investment, but can be a really

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dangerous investment, as we obviously learn, not usually just from fire.

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There's a lot of things that can go wrong. But

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I love that. I love that as the option for her,

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because clearly, as soon as there was work to be done,

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she rolled up her sleeves and did it. And I

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just think that's, you know, especially as a lady around

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the turn of this venture who was raised in money

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and married into a being a baroness, she was not

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afraid to get her hands dirty. And I love that.

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Yeah, And it's such a contrast between her and Broer,

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because he immediately says like, I don't want to be

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I don't want to have cows. You have to stay

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with them all the time. Yeah, like Coffee Planet, it grows.

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I don't need to be there, you know.

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And he clearly just wants to, you know, kind of

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be a deletant and go hunt and do whatever and

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drink with his buddies.

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And yeah, he's such a great contrast to to Redford's

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character because both of them clearly want their freedom and

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their independence, but how they go about that is so

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wildly different, and what that means for the people around

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them is so different. And that's why I love that

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clearly she has fondness for both of them. She still

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cares about Broer even after their divorce. But I think

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she was also very independent, and so were they, and

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that's why they're all kind of swirling around each other.

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They love their freedom and where else can you find

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that freedom? But in a place like this.

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Absolutely Now you said that you didn't like, you know,

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fake accents.

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So so.

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Sydney Pollock casts Robert Redford as Dennis Finnchatten, who was

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a British aristocrat, and they actually shot a few takes

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with Redford doing a British accent, which I cannot, dear

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god even imagine what it sounded like. And then Pollock

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was like, yeah, we're not doing that, just a normal and.

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We don't want a Keanu Reeves. We don't want a

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Keanu Reeves situation here.

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I mean, can you imagine, Like he's great in this movie,

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but Robert Redford's always Robert Redford to a certain extent.

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Yeah, And I think he's perfect for this in that role.

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Like it's it's not relevant whether or not he's British

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or American. I think.

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No, I don't think imagine.

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Because they're all still white colin colonizers. They're all white

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colonialists in North Africa. It doesn't matter which one of

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the you know, white colonial countries they're coming from. It's

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the same general narrative. So but yeah, I've never I

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kind of think, I've never heard Robert Redford do a

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British accent. And I don't know that I would be

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able to tolerate it if he tried.

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No, I mean he does.

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He does something interesting with his voice in this to

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make it, I don't know, a little different, but it's

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it's definitely not you know, like Downton Abbey or anything

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like that.

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Thank the Lord. Meryl Streep said that, uh.

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Sidney Pollock asked her, like, give me like the one

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line that this movie is what to you is like

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if you had to say it in a sentence, what

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is this movie? And she said, it's about a woman

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whose lover is more beautiful than she is.

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I mean, Meryl Streep is a very, very beautiful lady, and.

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She's I don't think ever been more beautiful than she

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is in this Oh there's.

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A couple of times her hair is pretty rough.

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I don't know. I like that though.

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I love she arrives at Lake Natron and she's like

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covered in dirt and just looks like a wreck.

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That is that is a badass scene for sure. But yeah,

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Redford's hair was always so on poiant. I was like,

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there's no way he's been living out in the bush

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like Safari, leaving Safaris and he comes back with that

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perfect like yeah swoop of golden hair like no, I'm sorry,

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that doesn't happen, and.

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Like his white smile, like his teeth are always brushed.

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And he's always clean shaven, like he's just.

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He's an obnoxiously good looking man.

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Yes, how much? And maybe it's just me, but how

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much did you love for aw?

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I didn't think much at first. I thought of him

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just maybe as an opportunity to show that the Baroness

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was a decent person and whatnot, you know. And then

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as it develops, like and you start to see because

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his actings really subtle, like he's not doing anything particularly

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over the top. So by the end of it, when

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you start to kind of see through that, I loved

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his character. By the end of it was he was

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so cool. I kind of want to watch it again

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to start to see more of what he's doing with it.

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Because some of those actors, I think they very intentionally

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played it very straight things because they're they're servants of

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white people in the I think nineteen thirteen. Yeah, yeah,

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they're not going to be doing a whole lot. They're

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not going to be overacting and emotional in front of

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these people. They have to keep the mask on. So

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I want to watch it again with a closer eye

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on him, because it wasn't un till the end that

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I appreciate.

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Yeah, that's the only time that I cry in this

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movie is when she says goodbye to him.

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Oh that is it does.

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When she says I want to hear you say my

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name like that just breaks me every time.

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I love that.

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And he actually I was surprised because they hired a

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lot of Cocudia that were descendants of the people that

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Karen knew when she was there, so I thought maybe

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perhaps he was, you know, a relative of the real

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Ferrah or something. But no, this guy is actually a

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really he had like a pretty decent filmography. He was

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in The Believers, Ali Outbreak and Tears of the Sun.

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Oh damn, Yeah, that's that guy's got a resume.

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This was not his only, you know, thing that he did.

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I was so impressed. The other thing that impressed me was.

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The character of Felicity, who is the young woman. I

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loved her too. She's not in it very much.

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She befriends Karen, and then later she's the subject of

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her argument with Dennis that kind of starts there they're

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falling out. She's based on a real person who was

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still alive when they wrote the script, so.

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They couldn't like.

472
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:53.839
Interesting.

473
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:55.200
Yeah, it was a.

474
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:59.400
Woman named Beryl Markham who was just as fascinating as

475
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.160
Karen Brooked and like she grew up in Kenya.

476
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.119
She was the first person to.

477
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:11.039
Fly solo from England to North America, from east to west,

478
00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.559
and then she wrote her own best selling memoir about

479
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:19.200
it that no lesson. Ernest Hemingway said to a friend,

480
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:20.880
have you read this book, because it's really good. This

481
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:21.920
woman can write.

482
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.119
That's awesome. And I especially love that because she's such

483
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.359
this like young, sweet, like I want to learn and

484
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.079
I want to grow character. So to kind of learn

485
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:32.200
that character does grow up and become a badass in

486
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:33.759
her own right is fantastic.

487
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.640
And then we also get some fun little appearances. Did

488
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.480
you recognize anybody in the supporting cast?

489
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.079
I did so about halfway through, Like I was constantly

490
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:51.480
watching his character Delamere trying to figure out it was

491
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:54.119
driving me nuts, and it's it's I don't know if

492
00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:59.480
it's pronounced Michael, go go guff Okay, but it's it's Alfred.

493
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.680
It's Alfred Anyworths and from.

494
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:03.839
We were like halfway through the movie and.

495
00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.000
Liam was like, yeah, because he's not on screen a

496
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.839
whole lot. He has plenty of scenes, like you get

497
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:11.480
enough time to really get to know his character a bit,

498
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:13.279
but he's not on screen a whole lots. Every time

499
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:14.799
I'd get a glimpse and he'd be gone, I was like, no,

500
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:16.720
show him more. I need to figure out who that is.

501
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:19.440
Well, and he's a little bit younger, he doesn't have

502
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:20.839
the glasses.

503
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.200
You know, so some really nice long hair. You know.

504
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.160
It's a very very different character.

505
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.000
Yeah, so it's just enough different that.

506
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:34.839
Yeah, it was such a challenge. And then Barkley, when

507
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.880
Dennis goes to visit him when he's ill, we meet

508
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:43.880
his companion, played by the supermodel actress Emon.

509
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:50.839
Oh. Yeah, I picture her much older because that's how

510
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.440
I always saw so I don't think I would have

511
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:53.160
recognized her.

512
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.799
Yeah, she this was very early on in her career.

513
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.640
Yeah, and of course she's you know, all made up

514
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.960
and African garbs, so not as easily recognizable as she was.

515
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:09.039
On like the Runway, but gorgeous still nonetheless.

516
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.000
Right, You're like, well, I can't blame Berkley for hooking

517
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:12.880
up with her, working izz.

518
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:14.880
If you're gonna die, it is a good place to

519
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:15.400
do it.

520
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:19.200
Right, So, like we said, The screenplay is based on

521
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.880
Karen Blixon's memoir, which she wrote under the pen name

522
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.359
Isaac Denson. And it also incorporates material from other sources,

523
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:29.720
like one of her other books and then like a

524
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.400
couple of biographies about her.

525
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:33.920
I love that.

526
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:38.000
They filmed in the actual locations where she lived.

527
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.079
Yeah, it would have sucked if they didn't. I think,

528
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:47.480
not just tonally, like obviously you get a real feel

529
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.559
for Africa, and you get a real feel for the

530
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:54.319
people and the surrounding nature of it, but also like,

531
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.079
I'm a firm believer if you're gonna tell your story

532
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:58.880
based on a true story, based on a real person,

533
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.039
authenticity key. I hate when they say based on a

534
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:07.599
true story. Like years ago, I remember sitting down talking

535
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.000
about American Gangster and just how much I hated it.

536
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:11.039
I was like, I don't care how good of a

537
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.079
movie you think it is, that saying it's based on

538
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.680
a true story ruins it for me because it's so

539
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.279
far from the truth. Whereas sometimes you have to have

540
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.200
some creative licenses or simplify a story. But the fact

541
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.599
that they put that effort in to make it really

542
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.480
about Karen Blixen and really what she went through, I

543
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:30.519
think bleeds into everything else in the movie, and you

544
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.519
can feel that so areas that they did tweak something

545
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.920
or maybe simplify the storyline or shorten this become irrelevant

546
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.119
because you're really trying to show who this person was. Yeah.

547
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.240
I was so pleasantly surprised when I started looking up.

548
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:47.359
I kind of was win saying, looking up, like truth

549
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.039
versus fiction? How real is this movie? And what I

550
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:55.079
found was it was stuff like you see her with this.

551
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.160
I think it's like a Irish wolf found or something

552
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:02.000
throughout the movie this of hers and it was like, well,

553
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.359
they were actually Scottish deerhounds and she had.

554
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.240
Three Yeah, exactly.

555
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:08.640
Okay, look and that's.

556
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:10.640
Where we have to stretch to to say it's not

557
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.480
one hundred percent accurate, then I'm okay with it exactly.

558
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.400
So yeah, I love that, especially for if you're gonna

559
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.279
be basing off someone's memoirs, like come on that that's

560
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.920
the whole point of the story, you know.

561
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:29.519
Yes, the behind the scenes of this is just fascinating

562
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.200
to watch because you're seeing photographs.

563
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.880
Of course, of the real people. And then like the

564
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.039
I can't remember the young man's name, but.

565
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.359
The young man who she fixes his leg and he

566
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:45.279
becomes her cook.

567
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.319
Like they talked to the they talked to the real.

568
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.039
Guy who's now like an old man in this interview

569
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.279
and he's like, yeah, she hadn't fixed my leg, I

570
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:54.839
would have died.

571
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:57.640
Oh it's so sweet.

572
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.079
Yeah, and he just ran a this thing about her,

573
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.720
and you're like, crab, it's.

574
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:05.160
A real guy. Well.

575
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.200
I love hearing anecdote. You know.

576
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.160
I love hearing that too, because my first instinct and

577
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.279
I did the same thing. I always whenever I'm watching

578
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.240
a true story movie, I'm always like looking at how

579
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:18.920
true it is? Watching this when I kind of got

580
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.200
the feeling like, oh, they're making her seem like way better, Like, oh,

581
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.039
she wants to help the Africans because this movie was

582
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:26.160
made in the eighties and we recognize how shitty things

583
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.079
were that then, but like, no, she really did. You

584
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:30.440
know by the end of her her time that she

585
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.440
really was trying to advocate for these people. And I

586
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.079
think that's really really cool. So to hear that, you know,

587
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.359
even little stories like that aren't just a narrative way

588
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.359
of showing that, oh no, she's one of the nice ones,

589
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:42.079
Like it actually is true. I think that's awesome.

590
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.160
Yes, I also love that with a little bit of

591
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.480
Hollywood magic, the fact that they were really there, Like

592
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.960
Meryl Streep talks about how like they were sleeping intense

593
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.599
when they were doing some of the filming and like

594
00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:59.759
you hear a lion.

595
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:04.799
Just out there somewhere, you know.

596
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:06.759
And then like one night she woke up and she

597
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.519
heard this noise and she looked out and there were

598
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:13.119
two hippos fighting like ten feet from her tent.

599
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.279
No, no, thank you, I know, said I don't want

600
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.200
to go to Africa, but no, I remember. There's a

601
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.440
couple of times some amazing shots of animals in this week.

602
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.960
Some great. Obviously, some of it they edited around, like

603
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.599
when the lines get shot, you can tell they did

604
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:31.559
some clever editing to make sure that it was safe.

605
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.759
Wall also, yes, still very believable. But there's one point

606
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.599
where they're by the water and they see two hippos

607
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.279
in the water and they're just standing there. Its supposed

608
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:39.880
to beautiful and idea like I'm like, if I see

609
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.559
hippos in the water, I'm out of there, Like I'm

610
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.480
not going to stand by that water's edge. No.

611
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.839
Well, but that was real, and she said, like the

612
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.160
hair washing scene is so romantic, and she's like I

613
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.200
was terrified the whole time because if you get in between.

614
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:57.359
They told him, if you get in between.

615
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.240
A hippo and water or a hippo and their child,

616
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:05.000
like they'll just eat you. Like there's no warning shot,

617
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.160
there's nothing, like, they just eat you.

618
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.640
And that's than lions.

619
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.240
I saw a video of a hippo grabbing a lion

620
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.440
and throwing it like a rag doll like they were

621
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:16.799
to be messed with.

622
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:19.240
Oh my god, that's terrifying.

623
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.960
Yeah, so you know, the lions are already scary enough,

624
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.359
but yeah, if I see hippos, I'm bugging out for sure.

625
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.039
Well, and then there are several scenes with lions and

626
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.680
the one, like you said, the lions are supposed to

627
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.160
be like actively attacking them, which obviously you can't do.

628
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:38.960
But there's.

629
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.359
A scene where the lion it uh, invades her camp

630
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.279
and is trying to kill the ox and she's trying

631
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.279
to like she's got a bull weapon. She's trying to

632
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.720
get this lion away from this ox. And that was real,

633
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.960
Like these were California, Hollywood lions that they ship to Africa,

634
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.200
which I think is hilarious. They ship to Africa to

635
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.799
make this movie. But the lion was tethered by one

636
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.400
leg so that it couldn't actually get to her.

637
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:13.640
Yeah, But then the other scene.

638
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.039
Where she the first time, she just like decides, Oh,

639
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.160
I'm just gonna go riding in the savannah like by

640
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.359
myself and it'll be fine.

641
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.519
A lion starts to approach her.

642
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.960
And Finch hat and arrives and she's terrified and she's like,

643
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:33.240
shoot it because it's coming towards her, and he's like, well,

644
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.319
let's just give her a second. She's already had breakfast.

645
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.759
Just stand still, she's probably not.

646
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:40.440
Going to attack.

647
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:44.680
And that whole time, that lion was not tethered to anything,

648
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:50.160
and the trainer was behind Meryll like enticing it with food,

649
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.400
and Meryl was like, they said it would just go

650
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.440
for the food, and it wouldn't go for me. So

651
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.160
I was supposed to just stand still, and that's what

652
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.720
I did and it worked out well.

653
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.920
Luckily she's supposed to be acting terrified, so she felt

654
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:04.319
that it's.

655
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.000
Only well imagine, like I just I don't know.

656
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.840
Oh. I mentioned the podcast I Love about this earlier

657
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.119
Tooth and Claw. They talk a lot about lion attacks

658
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.880
and whatnot and what to do. So it's funny listening

659
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:17.360
to this and him saying, well, if you turn a run,

660
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:19.039
like that's how they decide who they're going to attack,

661
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.440
which is what the animal experts say as well. So

662
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.079
like I'm watching it going, I mean, what are you's

663
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.679
saying is true as I understand it. I wouldn't want

664
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.639
to be the one testing that theory, but I do

665
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.719
think it's it's it's really cool that we can do that,

666
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.519
that we have the ability to train these animals. But

667
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.519
at the same time, yeah, I don't want to be

668
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.320
near a lion. There's certain animals that I want a

669
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.079
good distance between, right.

670
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.320
I love the scene when they're on Safari and they

671
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.679
come upon these these lions that have just made a

672
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.360
kill and they're like, Okay, we're just going to back

673
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.039
up real slow and hope.

674
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:54.840
That they don't see us.

675
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.039
And what I love about it is that they're just

676
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.559
walking along and like all of a sudden, there they are,

677
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:07.559
and I this is this is my like suburban white

678
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:11.519
girl comparison. But my only comparison to this is when

679
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.199
we went to Animal Kingdom at Disney World. You'd go

680
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:19.000
on the safari and they stopped the tram and the

681
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.079
guide said, okay, now look to your right and there's

682
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.519
just grass and he says, you see that tree and

683
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.000
we're like yeah, and he says, okay, come down like

684
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:33.639
ten feet and like right freaking there was a family

685
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.320
of cheetah like and you could totally see. I had

686
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.639
no idea they were there. It took me a minute,

687
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.480
even with him telling us where to look, before I

688
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:44.159
saw them. And you could see how you'd just be

689
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.159
walking out there and just step on one and then

690
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:47.280
that's the story of you.

691
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.519
Yeah, lines especially, I mean, they're they're such great pack hunters,

692
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.320
they're such they're so smart about it. It's funny you

693
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.920
mentioned that. I'm literally wearing my Everest shirt from a

694
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.079
kingdom right now. So we were just there last week

695
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:03.159
and yeah, we're looking at the tigers and there was

696
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.280
one just napping up against the glass, and that just

697
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.239
the sheer size of this thing. And I mean tigers

698
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.800
are just slightly larger than most normal African lines, but

699
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:15.239
still like gigantic. So the thought of you know, anything

700
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:18.280
that size or that much muscular literature that could sneak

701
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.599
up on you, right or you could stumble across it. Yeah,

702
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.840
I would want to have a gun handy, that's for sure.

703
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:29.400
Absolutely, And you know, our enthusiasm for for all of

704
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.760
this realism, really, I think is what makes this movie work.

705
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.320
There were a lot of criticisms that it was too long, it.

706
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.039
Was too slow, you know. Uh, I can see that

707
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:42.400
kind of drags.

708
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.079
But honestly, I think if you start kind of getting

709
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:51.800
tired of the relationships between these people, then you have

710
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.079
this beautiful scenery to look at, and you take a

711
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.280
little break and then you come back and you see

712
00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.920
what the people are doing, you know, and I like

713
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.039
the pacing of it.

714
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:02.519
I think it works really well.

715
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.079
Yeah. The reason it works for me is because this movie,

716
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.639
like a lot of like biopics or memoir based movies,

717
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:14.360
is not really narrative driven. This one is a love

718
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.599
letter to Africa. It is a love letter to North Africa,

719
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.079
to this region in Kenya. There's so many just beautiful shots.

720
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.400
They really relish in those ones where Dennis is flying

721
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.480
over and the camera just hangs on it and you

722
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.000
see animals running or just long shots of the wild

723
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.800
buffalo out there and whatnot, and it's it's gorgeous. So

724
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.760
it's like, that's really what we're watching here. You don't

725
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.239
need to rush that, you just need to kind of

726
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:41.119
sit in it. And that's that's the beauty. That's why

727
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.840
that area, that that wild open area is so great.

728
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:48.119
It's sometimes quiet, sometimes peaceful, sometimes scary, but you don't

729
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.599
rush it. This isn't like a fast paced what happens next,

730
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:52.039
what happens next kind of movie.

731
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:53.320
Well, and I like that.

732
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:59.400
You know, they do start, they do transition from you know,

733
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.119
being on her back and with wagons and stuff too,

734
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.039
you know, having trucks and things to get you know,

735
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.800
out on safari to these locations where they want to

736
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:16.559
go hunting. But I like that this idea of you know,

737
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.440
Borer tells her when she first arrives. She says, I

738
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.599
want to see my house, and he says, well, very

739
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:24.519
change clothes and put on something comfortable because it's a

740
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.920
two hour ride. And you know the fact that just

741
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:33.559
the great distances in between things and you really are

742
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.039
kind of living with the land and with the people

743
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.280
that are a part of this land. You know, it's

744
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.920
it's not there for your convenience.

745
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.360
Yeah, the movie kind of reminds you of that every

746
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:50.960
once in a while, if you forget it that you

747
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.239
get out there with those animals or you get out there.

748
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.880
I think about it when you see shots of them

749
00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:00.000
flying in that beautiful plane. He's just landing in the grass.

750
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.280
You can't do that in most places. You can't just

751
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:04.239
land a plane wherever the hell you feel like it.

752
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.599
But they're in the middle of nowhere, you know, there's nothing,

753
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.119
and the wildness of it is what makes it special

754
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.599
and what makes it magical. And I think it's cool

755
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.840
because it would be scary when you first get there,

756
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:19.440
if you're if you're in her shoes, you know, when

757
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.920
you first get that's very overwhelmingble But the time she leaves,

758
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.920
you can just you can feel her sadness leaving it,

759
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:26.400
and I get it. That's I think how I would

760
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:26.960
feel as well.

761
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.920
Heartbreaking when she leaves, absolutely heart right.

762
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.679
But you know, one of the scariest scenes for me,

763
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.440
and it really they kind of just roll over it.

764
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:36.800
They don't make a big deal out of it. But

765
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:41.440
I am terrified of baboons. I think they are horrific animals,

766
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.760
Like they scare the daylights out of me. And so

767
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:49.480
when she when she first gets there and her you know,

768
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.599
the guy that's running the farm, the day to day

769
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.599
operations of the farm is kind of taking her around

770
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.800
and showing her the fields and kind of talking about

771
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.599
how much they're going to plant and that and the other.

772
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.320
There's baboons just like all over the place, and you know,

773
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:06.559
there's workers scaring him off, and he's like, yeah, they're

774
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.239
gonna eat your dog too, so you might want to

775
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:09.920
watch out for that.

776
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.239
And I'm like, no, no, no, I don't want to

777
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.039
just walk out in my backyard and there they are. No, no,

778
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.079
And you know, you're.

779
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.480
So focused on the lions you forget that, like there's

780
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:22.639
black mamba's there.

781
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.840
There's all kinds of stuff that wants to kill you there.

782
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.519
Oh yeah, yeah, not for me. I'll go on a

783
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.119
nice safari. But it's also I think it's comforting when

784
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.079
the people that have lived there for you know, millennia,

785
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.920
so you're like, oh, this is just how we handle it.

786
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.519
Like if they say that, I'd be like, all right, cool,

787
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.559
Like if you're comfortable sitting here, I'm comfortables in here,

788
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:42.519
but like, don't leave too far from my side.

789
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.760
Yeah, just stay with me. All right.

790
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.079
Let's talk about some noteworthy scenes and if if there's

791
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:58.320
a pivotal moment in this movie, my absolute favorite seat,

792
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.239
I don't think it's a pivotal mine, but My favorite

793
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:03.719
scene is that hair washing scene, Like it to me

794
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:09.880
is like absolutely so romantic. I can't breathe when you

795
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.480
saw it, were you like, really this is a check thing?

796
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.119
Or did you get it?

797
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:19.119
No? I get it because they haven't really like neither

798
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.840
of them have admitted really their their feelings for each other.

799
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.079
They're both kind of still playing that game where he's

800
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.599
clearly trying to woo her, but they both know that

801
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:27.480
she's married and.

802
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.639
Well, and she's straight upset, like, I am not sleeping

803
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:34.039
with you on this trip, pal y. Is that why

804
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:34.719
I'm going with you?

805
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.280
Yeah? And he plays it so slow and so confident.

806
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.559
I mean, you know, I get anybody that's wooed by

807
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:47.440
Robert Redford, but also him him reciting the rhyme of

808
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.760
the Ancient Mariner. It's I love that poem. I actually,

809
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.719
when looking at fun facts about this, a section of

810
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.119
the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner is actually on finch

811
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.360
Hatton's Great So that was sort of a nod to

812
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.599
him as well, which I think is beautiful. So I

813
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.519
get it. Not necessarily my thing hair washing. I don't

814
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:11.320
think it's gonna do it for me, but I see

815
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.199
where you're coming from and I get why that one

816
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.000
stands out in your mind for sure. O.

817
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.320
Good, I'm glad you didn't like roll your eyes. What

818
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.760
was What were some noteworthy scenes for you?

819
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.920
There are two, the first of which is when she

820
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:30.920
rides out to the delivery supply during wartime.

821
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.840
Yes, that for me is the pivotal moment. That is

822
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.960
where she completely changes. It's such an adventure. The fact

823
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:42.960
that she was willing.

824
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.280
To do it and she had fun, like but you know,

825
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.079
she's like, it was actually pretty great. It was very challenging,

826
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.400
but it was awesome. So that, like, I think that

827
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.360
is definitely the pivotal one. That's the one that really

828
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.880
sets her character up for the rest of the movie.

829
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.360
And it's bad ass, Like when she gets there and

830
00:42:58.360 --> 00:42:59.679
all the guys are like, I told you to send

831
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.840
somebody else, It's like fuck off, you know what I mean?

832
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:02.559
Right?

833
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.199
Yeah, So that was phenomenal. But I think the one

834
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:09.599
that's gonna stick with me is actually the I guess

835
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.000
you could call it a fight that that she and

836
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.320
Dennis have near the end of the movie when he

837
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.840
says Felicity wants to join him, you know, on his

838
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:22.320
next safari and they're going back and forth, because it's

839
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.880
one of those scenes where, like, I love his character.

840
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:27.920
I think his character is the type of person I

841
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:29.599
envisioned when I was, you know, like a late teen,

842
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.519
early twenties, Like that's who I want to be free.

843
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:34.199
Nothing's gonna tie me down. And I get where he's

844
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:35.960
coming from, and I get what he's saying by like,

845
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:37.760
I don't want you to take my freedom, but I

846
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.599
also don't want to take care is like weird, you know,

847
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:41.559
I want to take this day by day. But I

848
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.400
also get where she's coming from saying I want to

849
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:48.199
be valued. You know, I want to being with me

850
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.159
has a cost because I'm worth it, you know what

851
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.159
I mean. And I want somebody to choose that. I

852
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.320
think they both have such great points, and they clearly

853
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:56.159
love each other, and I think that that made it

854
00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:00.239
really heartbreaking but also kind of beautiful that they're both

855
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.960
just fully honest with each other, and so, you know,

856
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:06.400
it was a really really cool scene. I think from

857
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.320
an actor's standpoint, they both played it really well, and

858
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:11.079
so that's the one that I think will probably stick

859
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:13.199
with me the most. But yeah, that her delivering supplies

860
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.280
is easily the most important part of the film.

861
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:20.320
Yeah, I think that that argument is so brilliantly written

862
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.320
because kind of like you said, like neither one is

863
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:29.960
really wrong. Yeah, and that is what makes this movie

864
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.760
for me. I have a really hard time with the

865
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.920
way we were, Like it's a very romantic movie. There's

866
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.320
a lot to love there, but I cannot get past

867
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:42.400
he is such a rat bastard in that movie, Like

868
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:46.760
I cannot get over it, and it just like I

869
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.480
can't stand a minute. So to have him be kind

870
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.920
of a similar character, but it's like the edges are softened,

871
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.280
and this is a guy that like I can understand

872
00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:58.800
his point.

873
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.679
He's still wrong, but I understand what he's saying.

874
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.719
But I don't think he's wrong because he's choosing what's

875
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:06.320
what he wants for him and if it doesn't work

876
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.000
for her, that's fine. And I think that's how.

877
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.320
Well I mean to the other.

878
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.920
Yeah, he was very honest, and he's the thing that

879
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.800
she loves about him is that he's like he is

880
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.760
this romantic, almost mythical figure that is completely free and

881
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.519
he's a free spirit like Africa itself. Like that's what

882
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.679
she loves about him, and he has to come to

883
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.840
it honestly to say like, I'm choosing this, not your

884
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.880
telling me I have to choose this, because when she

885
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.079
says like you have to and he says, you don't

886
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.159
understand the effect that language has on me. All right,

887
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.760
Like I got goosebumps because again, both of them, I

888
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.519
think have a great point, but I get where he's

889
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.440
coming from, like saying I have to do this, like

890
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.159
you don't get to tell me what to do, Like

891
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.119
I'm not. You can't have me the same way you

892
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.400
can't have Africa. It's not yours. You're just passing through.

893
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.800
So it's it's such a great scene. Yeah, and it

894
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:53.800
gave me goosebumps.

895
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.320
But yeah, let's talk a little bit more about the

896
00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:00.440
trip to Lake Natron. That was a sixty five mile

897
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:08.880
excursion that she went on. Oh, I mean, like, holy crap,

898
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:13.960
and you know, with all these wagons and oxen and

899
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.079
she does at one hundred percent now where she's going.

900
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.480
And what I love about it is the balls on

901
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.679
this woman to like be like I'm just gonna take it.

902
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.800
But then like there's parts of it where she's scared.

903
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.440
She's like, you know, I might have gotten us lost,

904
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.079
and I don't really know what to do about that,

905
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:38.679
and you know where she's sleeping in a tent because

906
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.559
you know that's what women do. And then she hears

907
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:45.639
the lions kind of just vocalizing out in the savannah,

908
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.360
and she comes out and sleeps with the men next

909
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.119
to the fire. She's like, forget it, I don't even care.

910
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.079
I'm sleeping on the ground as close se flames as

911
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:55.599
I can get.

912
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.239
You know, I just like it.

913
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.639
And like you said, when she comes riding into that

914
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.480
army camp and RR says, you changed your hair?

915
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.760
I yeah, And it's a great opportunity where you kind

916
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.920
of learned the way that the African like idea of

917
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.239
God is. You know when I love the scene after

918
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.960
the lion has killed the the buffalo or the ox rather,

919
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.960
and he says, you know you were you're you're sad.

920
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.960
You don't get the ox. The lion's hungry, he doesn't

921
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.039
get the ox. The wagon's heavy and it doesn't get

922
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.440
the ox. And I forget exactly his exact language about it,

923
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.760
but it's several times it comes up where's they're just

924
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.119
like God is good. Like the place is burning down,

925
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:45.159
They're like, God is good, right, what are you gonna do? God?

926
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:46.800
God's testing us. I guess that's what it is. But

927
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.559
it's always this very positive mentality of it. And I

928
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:51.639
think that's a fun time for them to show that,

929
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.239
because when she says, uh, you know, I think we

930
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.840
may be lost, he just goes, oh God is good. Yeah,

931
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.119
that's that's all. That's his only response. It's like, what

932
00:47:59.159 --> 00:47:59.719
are you gonna do?

933
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.559
Yeah? Exactly.

934
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.079
There's a story she went flying with with Dennis one

935
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.840
time and they landed, you know, on her property, and

936
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:13.360
one of the cuckoo you came up and said, did

937
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:18.159
you see God? And she said no, no, we didn't

938
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.800
fly that high. And he looked at Dennis and he said, well,

939
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.880
are you gonna fly high enough to see God? And

940
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.400
Dennis is like, no, you can't. You can't do that, like,

941
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.559
you can't fly that high. And he's like, then.

942
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.519
What's the point He turned out offed away. I was like,

943
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:36.280
oh my god, that's such a great thing.

944
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.480
There are so many great moments where they kind of

945
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.920
show the limitations of the colonial thinking, like when the

946
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.159
she's talking about teaching them to read, which, like I

947
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:47.559
do think is a good thing. I think reading is

948
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:51.239
a valuable skill. But when the chief finally says the

949
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.840
taller kids can read too. She's like, yet reading super

950
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.679
valuable and he's like, you guys can read, what's that

951
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.440
done for you? And then just walks away. It's so good.

952
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.840
There's several times where like the native populations just like,

953
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.280
you guys think you're better than us, and you're just not.

954
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.079
It's not, We're just different. That's fine, you know, I

955
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:11.239
think obviously Dennis explains it the best, but it's I

956
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.280
love that it's a recurring theme throughout this, like you

957
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.039
think you're better than us, but knock it off.

958
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.320
We didn't ask for your help. I love when he says,

959
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:20.559
did they ask to learn to read?

960
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:20.800
Though?

961
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:22.639
Yeah?

962
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.840
I mean as a teacher, I love that she taught them,

963
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:26.679
you know, she arranged for them to learn to read.

964
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.679
But he does have a point, yeah, yeah, yeah, one

965
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:31.280
hundred percent.

966
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.840
And all of those British are just every time she

967
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:38.360
goes into town, like it just I know it's done

968
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.840
to show like the passage of time and kind of

969
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:44.880
how she was an outsider even among her community, her

970
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:49.159
own community. But oh my god, they just every single

971
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.639
one of them are assholes. Like they just turned my

972
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.280
stomach every time she goes to that club and I

973
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:54.719
hate it.

974
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.280
I know you're supposed to love it.

975
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:03.239
But when she arrives in uh Mambasa, yes, thank you.

976
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.880
When she arrives in Mombasa, she goes to this British club,

977
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.519
this gentleman's club. She's looking for bra because they're getting

978
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:13.320
married that day.

979
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:15.639
And she goes into.

980
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.480
The bar and the men are like horrified that a

981
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.159
woman has even just walked into the room, and they

982
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.800
throw her out because women aren't allowed in there. And

983
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:31.599
then at the end, like it's supposed to be like honorific,

984
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.920
like they invite her in and buy her a drink,

985
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:36.360
and I'm like, fuck you.

986
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.159
Like they did the bear fucking minimum she's allowed in

987
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:40.519
the room.

988
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:46.800
Oh yeah, yeah, it's it's rough, and especially I mean

989
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.880
that it does a really good job of not centering

990
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.760
itself around the sexism or the colonialism or any of

991
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.360
those things, while also keeping those themes running throughout it

992
00:50:57.400 --> 00:50:59.960
and highlighting that they're here, they're present and the relevant.

993
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:01.840
But that's not what the story's about, you know what

994
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:02.159
I mean?

995
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:06.280
Yes, yes, absolutely, all right, we're gonna take one more

996
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.440
break and then we're gonna come back and wrap things up.

997
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:16.480
All right, So we have been talking about Sidney Pollock's romantic,

998
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:24.480
super romantic love Letter to Africa classic film Out of Africa, Andrew,

999
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:28.480
if someone hadn't seen this movie like you, they watch

1000
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:30.119
it for the first time and now they want to

1001
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.199
watch more Sidney Pollock movies.

1002
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:34.280
What are you gonna send them to next?

1003
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.760
Well, after our last conversation where we talked to Robert Redford,

1004
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.400
I added this to my list, but I also added

1005
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:48.400
our friend Jeff Johnson's almost namesake Jeremiah Johnson, and absolutely

1006
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:50.639
loved that, So I've absolutely got to put that on

1007
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:54.519
the list for sure. It is a beautiful movie, obviously

1008
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:59.760
also Redford. The other one is Tutsi, which we talked

1009
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:01.320
about as well. Yeah, I know you and I have

1010
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:03.079
talked about your love for that movie, so I assume

1011
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:04.039
they would be on your lists.

1012
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.119
Yes, in my opinion, it is one of There are

1013
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.280
a handful of movies that are perfect movies, and that

1014
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:11.119
is one of them.

1015
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:13.880
And the other one is it's an older film. It's

1016
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.800
I don't know if it's his first or one of

1017
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.119
his first. But did you ever see They Shoot Horses?

1018
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:18.519
Don't They?

1019
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:19.400
No?

1020
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.239
Is that Jane fond It?

1021
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.199
Yeah? Yeah, it's sixty nine. I think is when it

1022
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:29.639
came out, so it's definitely older, but it's a phenomenal movie.

1023
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.280
It's about it takes place in the Great Depression. It's

1024
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:37.320
essentially trying to think how to phrase it. It's like

1025
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:41.880
a tragedy, I guess, but a bunch of people doing

1026
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.360
a dancing competition, trying to earn money and just being

1027
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.840
taken advantage of during the Great Depression. It's really sad.

1028
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:50.840
It's definitely very tragic, but it's an interesting story. It's

1029
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.559
interesting way of showing the story, and I think you

1030
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.719
see a lot of what makes Pollock's movies great later

1031
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.400
on in it. So I wouldn't necessarily say it's best,

1032
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.039
but I think if you want to learn who Sidney

1033
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.800
Pollock is is a it's definitely one worth watching.

1034
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.320
I'm definitely gonna have to give that a try because

1035
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.840
it's one of those I just kind of passed over,

1036
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:10.400
didn't really think about.

1037
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.199
So I will add that to my list.

1038
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.599
Yeah, just be Ready to be Depressed. Though it's not

1039
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:17.639
exactly a happy movie, right.

1040
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.079
I mean, but sometimes those are good stories though, Yeah,

1041
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:20.679
Oh for sure.

1042
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.920
So my list is I had tittsy on there.

1043
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:29.320
Because obviously it's just it's just.

1044
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.760
So good and I mean, for nothing else watch it

1045
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.760
for Bill Murray alone, Like he is so funny in

1046
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.440
that movie. Like I have seen it a million times

1047
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.559
and I laugh hysterically every time.

1048
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:43.760
I also put the firm on there.

1049
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:45.079
Good choice.

1050
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.000
Yeah, it's one of the few movies that's just as

1051
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:53.079
good as the book and makes a few changes that

1052
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.639
I kind of think make the story a little better.

1053
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.679
So and has a spectac cast, and I.

1054
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.199
Think that's something that Sydney Park is really good at,

1055
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:10.360
is taking like a big cast of really powerful people

1056
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:15.639
and showcasing all of their best things without having anybody

1057
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:16.920
overshadow anybody else.

1058
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.920
Yeah. I've never read the book, so I can't speak

1059
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:21.880
to it to that, but yeah, it's a phenomenal film.

1060
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:23.039
I would definitely recommend that Tam.

1061
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:23.679
Oh my god.

1062
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:25.559
When the book came out, like it was one of

1063
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:28.239
those we call it like an airport book, like everybody

1064
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:32.840
in the airport had a copy, and I was on

1065
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.239
the edge of my seat, Like I loved that book.

1066
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.440
I it was one of those stay up till three

1067
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:41.320
in the morning to finish kind of things. So I

1068
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.519
was really impressed when the movie came out and it

1069
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.039
was just as good. And then the other one I

1070
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:52.119
picked was Three Days of the Condor, which you and

1071
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.719
I have talked about Captain America, Winter Soldier and how

1072
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:01.880
much we love like the seventies, you know, spionage kind

1073
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.039
of thing, and this is one hundred percent that only

1074
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:06.239
just not Captain America.

1075
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.480
I mean it's Robert Redford though.

1076
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:12.159
So yeah, oh my gosh, he was just he was

1077
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:13.239
in America.

1078
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.320
He was Captain America before we had the MCU.

1079
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:22.360
Yes, absolutely, So do you recommend out of Africa?

1080
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:23.320
Like is this?

1081
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:24.360
Yes?

1082
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.320
And no, I don't think like a lot of the

1083
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.360
other movies you've talked about that, I'm like, oh, you

1084
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.000
got to see this, you got to see this. This

1085
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:33.400
one is an acquired taste. It's like a you know,

1086
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.599
a fancy wine. If you want to appreciate it. Absolutely

1087
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.719
if you love Africa, if you love adventure and romance,

1088
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.440
and I don't mean romance in the like two people

1089
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.440
falling in love sense, although that is a thing here,

1090
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.360
but like more the the romantic idea of adventure, and

1091
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.440
if you like the idea that you know Hemingway writes

1092
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.599
about things like that, That's what this movie is. And it

1093
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.119
is slow, it is from a pacing standpoint, not going

1094
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:01.079
to have you on the edge of your seat. But

1095
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.719
if you want to take some time and just really

1096
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.920
appreciate a nice work of art, then yeah, I would

1097
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.440
recommend this, but I wouldn't just put a blanket statement.

1098
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:11.880
Oh you got to see out of Africa, you know

1099
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:12.239
what I mean?

1100
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:13.760
Yeah, I agree.

1101
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:15.639
I like what you said about it being like a

1102
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.599
fine wine, like take some SIPs, sit with it a while.

1103
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.119
You got definitely have to be in the mood.

1104
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.320
Yeah. This isn't like a like a Michael Bay you know,

1105
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.119
shot gutting a beer kind of thing. Like this is

1106
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:27.800
a whole other.

1107
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.159
Ball game, not even a little bit.

1108
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:34.320
But it is beautiful. Yeah.

1109
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:34.599
Yeah.

1110
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.880
If you're a completionist and you know you want to

1111
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.119
watch all of Robert Rudford's movies, you know, especially after

1112
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:47.119
we did our episode, it's definitely worth your time. Like

1113
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:50.519
like I said, the way we were, like, I love it,

1114
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.800
but I can't watch it, like it's just it's too

1115
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:56.679
much where I would definitely push this one over that one.

1116
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:01.039
Yeah, And it is funny that you know that this

1117
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.920
one came up from our tribute to Redford because I

1118
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:08.960
only specifically watched Ghost in the Darkness because of our

1119
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.079
tribute to Val Kilmer. So apparently I'm just going to

1120
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:16.360
keep watching movies about Tsavo every time we lose a talent.

1121
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:22.400
Yep, you're being called back to Africa this movie. I

1122
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.840
bought a copy off of Prime. I bought a digital copy.

1123
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.239
It's been off and on streaming on Netflix though, so

1124
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.199
you know, if you're not really into spending the money,

1125
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:33.840
just keep an eye out.

1126
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:35.039
It'll come back around again.

1127
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:37.719
Yeah. I don't know that you would recommend this one

1128
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.280
is a bye unless you really really do love it.

1129
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:41.440
This isn't the kind of thing that you're going to

1130
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.360
pop in all the time. I feel like this isn't

1131
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.440
an every year kind of watch type thing for me

1132
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:45.920
at least.

1133
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:48.519
Well, I feel like I watch it enough that I

1134
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.800
was like, ah, buy it. But the one thing I

1135
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:57.440
will say, you know I mentioned earlier YouTube has a

1136
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:03.039
behind the scenes, like a thirty minute making of kind

1137
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:06.440
of documentary and it's really good. So if you watch

1138
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.599
the movie and you enjoy it, it's really neat to

1139
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:13.760
see the real places. Talk to historians that you know,

1140
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.159
know more about Karen Bluxen's life and her writing, and

1141
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:19.280
you get interviews Like I said, you get interviews with

1142
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.320
like people that really knew her and that you just

1143
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:23.119
saw in the movie.

1144
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.360
You know, that's all very fascinating.

1145
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:29.159
Yeah, and then you also get like the good, you know,

1146
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:34.639
movie making stuff along with it. So, listeners, what do

1147
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:38.360
you think about of Africa? Have you seen it? Where

1148
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:41.039
does it rank on your list of love stories? Let

1149
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:45.519
us know on social media on Facebook, Instagram, and x check.

1150
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:48.320
Out feel about the hair washing scene. I want to

1151
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:50.800
hear your right like, it's.

1152
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.519
One hundred percent sexy. I'm just saying he all he

1153
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:55.199
had to do is just bend down and smoocher.

1154
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:57.920
That's why you had to get the digital copy because

1155
00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:59.159
you would have worn out the vhs.

1156
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:00.920
Yes, run it back again.

1157
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:09.079
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1160
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