Dec. 23, 2024

Ted Demme - The Ref

Ted Demme - The Ref
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Season 5A Film By...

It's Christmas Eve! Before you head home for the holidays, Jeff and Amber are debating dysfunctional families, Christmas, and Denis Leary in Ted Demme's The Ref!

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Lambert, it is Christmas Eve, and I have to know

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what what is Christmas all about? For you?

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Really? Christmas is just my family being together, with us

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being so far apart. Sometimes it's a it's a FaceTime

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or something like that. But Christmas Eve, Liam and I

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always spend together. That's always been our kind of thing.

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And then Christmas Day was always you know, the who

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rest of the family. So it doesn't really matter if

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you get the tree up or not, or how many

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presents you were able to come through with this year.

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You know, we were all just about getting together, playing

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games and stuff like that.

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So, in essence, Christmas is all about family.

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Yes, So how about you? What is Christmas all about

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for you?

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That's easy. It's all about sex and drugs and women

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being set on fire. Amber, Let's talk about a film

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by Ted Dimi, his nineteen ninety four underrated dysfunctional family

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Christmas film The Ref. Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson, I'm

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Ambra Lewis, and this is a film by podcast Merry

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Christmas and Happy Holidays, Right Amber.

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It's Christmas Merry Christmas.

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Episode Christmas Eve. Yeah, hopefully people are listening. They're on

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their way to the family get together. They got something

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to listen to. They can turn this one on, yes,

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or they're driving home, they're driving, they're driving somewhere, you know.

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And depending on how that family get together goes, you

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might want to watch this movie when you're finished.

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Yeah. Maybe, yeah, you never know. Before we get going,

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I want to start by welcoming our newest Patreon member, Lisa. Lisa.

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We hope you're loving our exclusive content on Patreon, and

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we'd love to hear from you if you've got a

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favorite episode.

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Yeah, bet Welcome Lisa.

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Yeah, I'm betting that favorite episodes is gott include Amber Lewis.

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I mean, maybe it could be two for two, so

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you know, hey ten ten for two is ten for

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two is really quickly becoming a favorite. So yeah, we'll see,

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we'll see. But happy to have you, Lisa and uh

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and a very merry Christmas and happy Holidays to you

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as well as well as our other Patreon subscribers. Because

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there Melissa's building. Amber. I don't know if you've noticed that.

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It's I knows, whole family of our own over there.

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Loving loving it. Speaking of family, last week, you and

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I did another one of our listener favorite nineteen a

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six episodes. We did Something Wild, which was directed by

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Jonathan Demi, and here we are today talking about a

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film directed by his nephew. What were the keeping it

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in the I don't even know what the chances were

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that it's it's almost like it was planned, but it

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actually wasn't.

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The fact that it wasn't is what is really astounding.

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Oh yeah, well yeah. I always love when I when

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I'm doing when I'm doing research, I'm like, wait what.

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And the fun thing here is that not only did

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we just do something Wild on Patreon that connects to

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this movie, we have one last nineteen ninety six episode

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and it's going to tie to this movie coming out.

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So it's just a conspiracy theory.

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It's aliens, right, It's it's crazy Amber. I know. This

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one's a little This one's a little underrated. It didn't

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do well at the box office. Maybe because it came

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out in March. Uh maybe maybe there are other reasons,

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but it has established I established.

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By Dennis Leary talking about how they just destroyed the marketing.

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I believe it, Like, why is this coming out in March?

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Why were they selling it? Like he was coming off

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all of his stand up stuff. So they were pushing

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that stand up MTV shenanigans and yeah, like he goes

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on one kind of riff at one point. That's just

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not really who he is in the movie. No, So

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he was very you know, I love Dennis Leary. See,

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he was very outspoken at how he thought they messed

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the whole thing up.

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Yeah, they definitely were pushing this very hard in a

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this is a this is the aggressive, fast talking Dennis Leary,

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because that's what we you know, it was nineteen ninety four,

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that's what we knew him as. Right. But over the years,

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this has gained quite a bit of a cult following.

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It's one of those I love to watch this movie

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every Christmas for whatever reason, whether I want to laugh

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or I want to you know, see something. You know,

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maybe I want my family to feel a little more normal.

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Watching this family.

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Is not my wheelhouse. And I was like, why would

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you even watch this? But I thought, you know, there

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are a lot of people for whom the holidays are

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a challenge. Yeah, and if you can come up and

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watch this again, oh, I'm like.

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That, Yeah, this this is We're not watching the Lewis

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family here, you know, We're not watching the Johnson family.

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This is the Chasseurs or is it that I pronounce that right? Yeah?

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Eighteenth century French and Huguenot or whatever. Yeah, they are.

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Just when he busted out Huguenot, No you didn't.

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They are a dysfunctional family. But Amber for those that

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maybe miss this one, because this one does fly under

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the radar still even though it's got that cult following,

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give us a quick synopsis. What is this movie all about?

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This is a quick synopsis, just as short as the title.

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A cat burglar is forced to take a bickering, dysfunctional

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family hostage on Christmas Eve.

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Dennis Leary is the cat burglar.

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And this is one of the parts that made me laugh.

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It opens with him burglaring a house and this guy

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has set up like a magui Ver style trapped burglar.

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Just it's a new definition on the cat of cat burglar.

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Yeah, hold on, you're I love, I love your enthusiasm.

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We're gonna get to it. Let's let's put a pin

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in that this is celebrating its thirtieth anniversary. Oh god,

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my question, my question to you, I want to know

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how you feel about the filming. Does this does this

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hold up or does it feel really dated to you?

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What's your take?

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No, It's did not feel dated at all. It just

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I don't like this kind of angry, spiteful treating of

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each other. Like that's just not my thing. So like

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movies like this, and like the Four Christmases, you know

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with Reese Weatherspoon and yeah, movies like that, I just

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I don't like that. I want to watch Happiness at Christmas.

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So but having said that, like this totally holds up.

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And for people that like that kind of humor, which

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it is funny, they think I only enjoy it.

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I think the only thing, the only thing that feels

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slightly dated is that it's nineties era MTV Dennis Leary. Now,

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for you and I that could feel a little bit dated.

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But for someone that's that maybe is not familiar with

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his nineties work, his stand up, they're not gonna, they're

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not gonna, they're not gonna pick up on that. So

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I yeah, this movie. They they could have made this

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last year.

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Yeah. Well, and like I said, there's one part where

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he kind of slips into that pattern. But I was

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actually really impressed. I think this was his first movie,

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and not as first, I mean headlining.

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Well, okay, you got me there headlining.

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Yeah, you know, so I was impressed that he was

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not doing that stick the whole time, that that was

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not how it was written.

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Well, I'll tell you what. Let's you know, I want

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to talk casts. Let's let's just stick with Dennis Leary

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for a second. Here here's my thought, because I think

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he's fun when he's playing this character of himself. And

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when I'm talking about I'm talking about the MTV spots,

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I'm talking about Who's the Man, you know, where he

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played the police captain. But he's really great when he's

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not doing Dennis Leary. And what I'm talking about there

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is the Sandlot demolition Man, Judgment Night. That's where I

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think he's doing his best acting is when he's not

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playing Dennis Leary, but he's he's immersing himself in like

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a role that could not be Dennis Leary, if that

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makes sense.

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Yeah, I do have to agree with that. He has

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I think maybe has more range than than he always

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knew that he had, maybe a project or a director

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to bolster that confidence, to stretch a little.

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Yeah. Well this this movie, this is part of a

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three picture deal he gets with Disney, which let that,

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let that marinate for a seconds.

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Starts it's like Disney and then you see Don and

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Jerry Breckheimer come on, They're like, are we blowing things up?

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What is this?

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What? What's going on here? You? And it's an R

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rated Christmas movie with foul mouth Dennis Lyric stand up? Yeah,

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what are we doing? I think he's fantastic here though, Yeah,

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because again he's playing that that that iconic nineties character

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that he created. But it's for ninety minutes, ninety plus minutes,

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but it doesn't get old. It feels it's just fun,

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you know, because he has there's there's a couple of

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moments where he dials it down and he has some conversations.

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We'll talk about those here when we talk about noteworthy scenes.

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But he's just fun to watch.

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Right, Yes, yeah, yes, absolutely, And.

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I feel like, you know, I granted this is nineteen

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ninety four, so he's the headliner, right, but it never

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feels like it's the Dennis Larry movie. There is such

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a great game of catch happening between him, Kevin Spacey,

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and Judy Davis throughout the entire film, and they never

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dropped the ball. That's my that's my that's my thoughts.

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Yes, absolutely, and it's neat that they don't none of them.

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Let Kevin Spacey run away with the movie either, which

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what's kind of.

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Hard it is, And we'll get to him, but before

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we do, I want to talk about Judy Davis.

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She's playing Caroline her so much.

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Okay, So here's the thing, sixty eight credits on IMDb,

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and I only know her from this and playing Jennifer

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Anderson's insanely awesome boss in The Breakup, which leaves sixty

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six roles that I'm unaware of. How do we feel

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about her, Amber, because you seem to know her, you

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seem to love her. Take me on the Judy Davis trip.

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So she is just this bonkers Australian who is insanely talented.

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She did a Judy Garland biopic okay, and is just

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completely unrecognizable like Judy Garland. She becomes Judy Garland like

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it's absolutely amazing. And she did a lot of Woody

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Allen and she is perfect for his movies, Like she

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is perfect playing this New York fast talking neurotic. Get it,

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just like Barrel of Energy.

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You you just solve the puzzle for me because I

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agree with you. She seems like a perfect fit in

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a Woody Allen film, like her her level of performance.

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But we all know my disdain for Woody Allen, so

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I've seen very few of his films, so I've probably

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missed a lot of Judy uh in his work.

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So yeah, unfortunately, it's She's fantastic. Hard to I loved

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Woody Allen back in the day, but it's hard to

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go back to that anymore.

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I think he's overrated. I think most of us stuff's

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bourgeois junk.

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Oh see, I never thought that before. Yeah, he's a

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horrible human being.

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So I like mighty aphrodite. I'll give you that. Yes,

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that was good.

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So there's one movie that she made that I don't

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think is a bailable but it's worth like trying to

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hunt down. It's called One Against the Wind, and it's

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about a woman who worked for the French Red Cross

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during World War Two and she's sneaking Allied airman who'd

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been shot down. She's like sneaking them back across enemy lines.

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And it's like a total Judy Davis typical character, where

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it's this strong woman who like she's going like toe

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to toe with these Nazis and not putting up with

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their crap and it's a really amazing story. It's a

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true story.

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Is it a TV movie or is it a movie? Yeah, okay,

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I want to track this down because.

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It's Sam nil in it.

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I'm in.

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Yeah, it's really really good, but it's hard to find.

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But if you don't like Wody Allen, that's another one

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that really shows like she's just she's just amazing. She's

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just this barrel of energy that comes in and yeah,

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it turns the movie on its ear.

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back to the Breakup, which I think that's it's hilarious.

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It's just it's funny. It's funny, but it gets a

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little dark and doesn't really exactly have the happy ending.

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Is that what you're saying?

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I haven't watched two hours of people learning to hate

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each other and breaking up like that's misery.

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But oh I watched it and I hated it.

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Oh my lord, we're gonna cover that next year, I think, uh,

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and I'm gonna have to have you on just so

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the whole movie and just comes in and pushes the

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plunger on the dynamite and it just explodes. She's awesome.

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So I just I'm sitting here thinking, like I was

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and I'm like, where is this woman? Why didn't we

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get more from her? And then you know, come to

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find she's done plenty. I just it's stuff I haven't seen,

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so I yeah, yeah, I'm definitely I got I gotta

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find the World War II Sam Neil Nazi movie because

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that sounds awesome. So thank you for that. I'm looking

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that one up. You mentioned that it was gonna be

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difficult for Kevin Spacey not to steal the show, but

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let's let's think about that. It's nineteen ninety four, which

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means he's not the top draw, and up to this

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point he's slowly breaking out of the that guy persona

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because when you look at his his roles pre nineteen

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ninety four. Probably his biggest moment is in Glenngary Glenn

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that film because everyone dials it up to eleven, you know,

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and that movie's awesome. That's one of the greatest movies

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ever here, which is saying, yes, some of the greatest performances.

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But when you think of that, remember in.

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had its like that thing to do.

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We loved it. Are you kidding me?

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It was so good.

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I can't tell you how many times I've quoted Alec

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Baldwin from Glengarry Glenn Ross watch more than Your Car.

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I've used that one, you know, different story, we'll talk

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about that off off Bike.

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diabolical piece of dialogue in that entire movie, and he's

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so quiet and like just horrible about it, and you're like.

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This guy was the freaking villain through the whole thing,

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cerebral assassin. Yes, this is nineteen ninety four, which means

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he's one year away from his Breakout performance in the

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Usual Suspects in nineteen ninety five, also does Outbreak and

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Seven that same year.

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I mean, he got the Oscar again for American Beauty

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at playing kind of this character.

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Okay, so let's you know you're right, like he goes

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on a hit parade for the rest of the nineties.

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I want you to listen to this list of films

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he did after the ref and tell me which movie failed.

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Tell me to find the weak spot here, because for

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the rest of the nineties he does A Time to

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Kill l A Confidential Midnight in the Garden of Good

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and Evil, then The Negotiator, A Bugs Life, Hurley Burley,

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the Big Kahuna, and then American Beauty. Where as you said,

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he wins the Oscar for Best Actor. That's one hell

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of a trip in the nineties.

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Wow, yeah, amazing.

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What do you think? What do you think about Kevin

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Spacey playing He's doing both comedic and dramatic stuff here,

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but the comedic stuff is hilarious. I think, yes, yes,

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there was no stop sign.

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He's he's I think that he and Judy Davis paired together,

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were perfect because nobody can do this. Bickerson's you know

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deal like the two of them, I mean, just bringing

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a history that you don't know, but they bring to

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every word they say.

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I believe they've been together for twenty plus years. It's

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it's unreal. Like you watch this and hats off to

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Judy Davis, hats off to Kevin Spacey because their relationship

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where you're seeing it at its darkest and most vulnerable point,

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they have this ability to show show you like the

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good times they had and just the little the little

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things that they're doing where they're they're taking digs at

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each other like I love like when he does the

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you know, like he kind of patronizes their use the

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ouch list. We have a bunch of you know, like

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but he's like, She's like, what do you expect? I'm afraid,

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you know. I so buy them as a couple, and

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I love what I love what they're doing here. But

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moving forward a few more people I definitely want to

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talk to you about. Should we talk about Christine Baranski

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playing Connie the sister in law. She's she's one of

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these amazing actresses where the second I see her face,

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I recognize her and I know who she is, and

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she's done like a hundred movies. But it's not like,

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oh I loved her in this movie or I loved

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her in that movie. But I always remember her in

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the ref playing this, this nineties version of a Karen

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you know.

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Well, it's so funny because it's so against type, because

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she's usually more of a New York glamorous type of

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Digiti Davis's character. Like really she was in the Birdcage,

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she was in OK, Mama Mia, Like she's always shows

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up and she's just fabulous and bitchy. And see, so

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that'd be a little.

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Bit different for her fabulous and bitchy because the roles

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I associate her too are this one where she's playing Connie,

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the sister in law, and then when she's playing doctor

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Nora on Frasier and when she came in, like just

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came in and just burned, burned the studio down. He

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couldn't stand her. Yeah, so she's fantastic in this. I

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love I love when her daughter you know that. You know, Hey,

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there's a there's a guy in the loose. The police

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are looking for him and daughters in the back seat.

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Maybe in the spirit of Christmas, they'll catch them and

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let him go. She's like the spirit of Christmas is

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either you're good or you're punished and you go to hell.

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This woman's awesome, you know, completely completely, just eviscerates her husband.

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That guy, he's a total tool.

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Well at the end, like he says something about who

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thinks I should shoot the mother in law or whatever?

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She raises her. She's like, yeah, that's fine, go ahead.

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Well after after the family's arguing, I know we're jumping ahead,

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but when the family is like all out at war

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and the and the mom is like, who the hell

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do you think you're talking to? And she's like slipper

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socks medium, like this wealthy woman has given the shittiest gifts. Yes,

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oh I I'll tell you what was. Will put a

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big SMA in my face. JK. Simmons playing the superintendent

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the colonel at the Military Academy Amber. This is his

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feature film debut.

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I can't believe that he's the one that I feel

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like has been around forever. I'm like, he was just

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making movies at the same age he ages. He's this

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guy and he's been around forever. I can't believe this

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is his first movie.

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Yeah, you want like because he does he typically you

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know he truthfully does look the exact same. Yeah, And

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as soon as I saw him, was like, I immediately

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got a little sad because I was like, I know,

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his role in this is very small, and I just

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wish it was bigger and we had more of Ciskel.

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I was. I was disappointed that it ended so soon.

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I don't have I don't remember the full story, but uh,

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I was reading something a couple of weeks ago where

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the writer named his character Ciskel because he wanted to

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show like a slimy because you know, you know, he's

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a nice guy, but obviously he's being blackmailed by their

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son Jesse for things he shouldn't be doing as a

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family Maynor. The writer named him ciscl after Gene Siskel,

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because Geene Siskel wrote some kind of scathing article about him,

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you know, when he was writer.

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Of the screenplay Richard.

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La GRAVINESI I know he's Italian.

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He's written all kinds of amazing things, like I can't

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believe he brought the vitriol to this movie. And this

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is the same guy that wrote A Little Princess and

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Bridges of Masson County and the Fisher King and Jean

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Siskel famously hated the Fisher King.

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was something about like where he was nominated for like

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the like some I don't know what award, maybe the

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maybe the Oscars, but it's like a screenplay award. And

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Ciskel was like upset about it, like this, this writing sucks.

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He shouldn't ever, you know, so he wrote like that amazing.

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He deserved to have a mean guy with his name.

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You know what Ciskel said when he found out about this,

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Oh god, he said, oh he said, oh man, I

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wish they would have got someone like Jack Nicholson to

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play me. Then rude, just just ciscling all over the place. Yeah,

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he's fun. I got one more and this one, this

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one was tricky because he's not He's in the movie,

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but he's not. Because this is the story. The subplot

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is all about Dennis Leary trying to escape this town

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who which is locked down. It's like one of these

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like Connecticut towns, Massachusetts whatever. It's like a yeah little.

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It's like a.

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Super rich neighborhood. It's unlocked. He's trying to escape out

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because he attempted to uh burgle the uh the Willard Mansion.

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You Jeremiah Willard. I can't remember. I know the movie.

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I just I feel bad because I just watched a

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movie and I don't remember what. But he's like a

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you know what was he like a theme park tycoon

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or something like that. I can't remember for sure, but

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oh yeah, do you remember when they showed like there

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was like a newscaster and they're like, Jeremiah Willard is

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offering a two hundred thousand dollars award blah blah blah,

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and they showed like the photo like in the news

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on the on the news, or showing the photo of

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the guy Jeremiah Willard.

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I mean, I don't think I was paying that close attention.

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You just saw a photo of a guy, right, you

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know who that guy was?

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I don't really care.

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No, Kenneth Utt who we just talked about a Thin

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Wild episode on Patreon, Little Little the Little old Man

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from Silence of the Lambs.

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Oh that's so funny.

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Yeah, and that's weird. I wanted. I tried to dig

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to find out what the what the connection here is

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besides there being a you know, connection between Ted and

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Jonathan Demmy. But UH is not producing this because you

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know he does. We talked about he produced and executive

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produced a lot of stuff, a lot of big things. Right, Yeah,

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well he's not a producer on this movie. He just

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happens to be the the photograph.

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Of the he knew to a guy or something.

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It's got to be something like that. I don't know,

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but it's fun. As soon as I saw that, as like, oh,

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Amber's gonna smile. What are the chances we're talking about?

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What are the chances we're gonna talk about Kenneth utt

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on more than one episode and it's back to back episode.

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So I thought that was fun. We'll take a quick

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break when we get back, we'll discuss noteworthy scenes and

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the pill little moment, maybe a little background on this movie.

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Welcome back, talking about Ted Dimi's nineteen ninety four Christmas

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comedy The ref Amber. There's there's plenty of scenes in

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this movie that are gonna make you laugh or not

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make you laugh, but I want to talk about a

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couple of them, and then I would love to hear

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what you feel is the pivotal moment, because I got

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I got a hunch that we have the same one.

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But let's go back to the beginning of the movie

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where we open with therapy with doctor Wong.

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Taking a break from cloning dinosaurs.

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Goatcha yea yeah bad, that's b D Wong. You're right, yeah,

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you're absolutely right. This open, this, this these first like

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three or four minutes tells you everything you need to

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know about this this couple. You can hit the disdain

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on Kevin Spacey's face as she's talking about her dreams

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and you know, her surd dream with we were you know,

469
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:02.880
it was like it's you know, I went to have

470
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.559
dinner and it's it was his head with his penis

471
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:09.319
sticking up his ear and just you know, and then

472
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:09.720
she's like.

473
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.000
I totally felt like she read that in a book

474
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.319
somewhere and was like using it to just get a

475
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:16.240
dig at him.

476
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:22.519
Yeah, well I just when she when when when doctor

477
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.680
Wong is talking about their sex life and she just

478
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:36.119
brutally assassinates him with with the line the sex wasn't noteworthy.

479
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.359
The way she says it, it almost sounds like it

480
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.359
sounds worse than her saying it was never good or

481
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.880
it was bad, like it wasn't noteworthy. You know, I

482
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.400
just you know, I love this moment because you know,

483
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.720
you feel like, yeah, you take on Kevin Spacey in

484
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:59.000
this moment is that he's pissed at her for her infidelity,

485
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:00.720
but he just wants to get past it. He just

486
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.839
wants to forget about it, and he just wants to

487
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.759
hold it over her indefinitely.

488
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.160
Yeah. His big thing is like, I don't want to

489
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.799
talk about it. Yeah, I don't want to address it.

490
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:12.440
I don't want to deal with it. I don't want

491
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.920
to decide if we should stay together or break up.

492
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.000
I just want to act like it didn't or I

493
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:20.519
just don't want to talk about it. But I want

494
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:22.319
to treat you like garbage because you did it.

495
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.119
Yeah, doctor Wong, how do you feel about this dream?

496
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:33.359
I'd like it to stop talking about it at dinner parties. Yeah. Great,

497
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.559
great moment, but equally great because this movie is all about,

498
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:42.039
you know, three people. Ultimately, let's go over to the

499
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:46.000
Willard Mansion where Dennis Leary is breaking in and you start,

500
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.799
you started, you started talking about this and I had to.

501
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.039
I had to. I had to. I had to hold you,

502
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:55.200
just hold you back. Oh my gosh, is this like

503
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.319
Kevin McAllister grows up and this is his mansion? You

504
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.400
know the booby trap app with this safe. Breaking into

505
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:06.440
this safe is awesome. What makes me laugh every time

506
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:09.920
I watch this movie is the moment he opens it.

507
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:16.680
He cracks it. You hear a cat scratch, a cat streage,

508
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:21.440
you know, and then and then the little thing jumps

509
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.039
out and sprays cat piss all over it.

510
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:28.119
It's so gross. Then like the movie people are like,

511
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.039
he saw a cat?

512
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.200
Yeah? Well that I love when movies have a running

513
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:37.920
joke from beginning to end. And that whole thing. Do

514
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.359
you smell something? Shut up? Because he got spray. He

515
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:46.559
he can spray with cat piss in his face. And

516
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:50.480
then this whole thing like again, no one, no one to,

517
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.920
no one to quit because he's taken all these jewels

518
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.000
and all this crazy. You know. It's like he's robbing

519
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.960
the Clue mansion. And then there's one last little ring

520
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.000
in the back and the second he pulls it, it's

521
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.119
like a booby trap where the floor falls up, you know,

522
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.160
opens beneath him. Hees falling down, the slide hits the

523
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.160
ground and there's that brutal attack dog waiting.

524
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.279
For him, so terrifying.

525
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.079
He throws a pool ball at it and it catches

526
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.720
it and crushes it in its mouth. Have you ember,

527
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.039
have you ever held a pool ball in your hand?

528
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:28.039
I mean, of course, but I was laughing, like, my little,

529
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.000
my little Yorky would have decimated that pool ball. He

530
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:32.960
can eat anything.

531
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.720
Jaws, you know, super Jaws.

532
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.640
I love this name. Cannibal.

533
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:43.880
Yeah. Yeah. When they're like, you know, she's like, oh

534
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:47.119
you're bleeding, He's like, yeah, goddamn dog bit me, Cannibal

535
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:50.079
bit you. And he's like he stops with his name

536
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:54.480
is Cannibal. What kind of psychopath gets a dog and

537
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.000
names it Cannibal. That's just weird, you know, but it's

538
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:01.000
it's hilarious in the movie. I think another thing kind

539
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.359
of ongoing throughout the movie. This guy gets several scenes

540
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.039
and every time he shows up it gets better and better.

541
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:13.559
Talk about drunk Sannah George. He just you know, he's

542
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.000
getting forced. You know, he's walking around doing the holiday thing.

543
00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:19.480
He's in costume as Santa Claus. The kids are just

544
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.000
cramming cookies and milk at him, and he starts to

545
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.440
lose his cool. Yep, oh, man, go home, George or

546
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.839
drunk you know this guy Amber. I think he's the

547
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.480
best Santa Claus since Dan Aykroyd in Trading Places.

548
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.599
Yes, they're definitely a pair.

549
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.480
They're on the same bowling team. I think absolutely, Yeah,

550
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.599
love drunk Sanna. And then I want to talk about

551
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:49.319
the Christmas dinner with the family, because, as you kind

552
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.480
of alluded to, this movie is hilarious, but it takes

553
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.079
some serious turns and it loses the comedy. But I

554
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:58.960
think it works. But I don't know that you think

555
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.839
it works because is this this dinner scene. It's it's

556
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:07.440
it's fun until it gets like, oh, like this is

557
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.240
this just got this just got real? Right? How do

558
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:11.160
you about this moment?

559
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.160
Well? It I mean it makes my stomach hurt, Like

560
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.720
just the thought of being at this table is anxiety inducing.

561
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:25.400
But it is the moment when they really you know,

562
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.240
Judy Davis finally reaches a point of intoxication where she

563
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:33.240
doesn't care anymore. She's like, I have fought with my husband,

564
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:38.799
I've been kidnapped, I've been tied up, and now everybody is,

565
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.640
you know, giving me a hard time about this neat

566
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:48.839
dinner that I tried to make for everybody, and she

567
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.920
like is out of anything to care about, so she

568
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.400
just starts telling her truth and it is brutal, and

569
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:02.200
Kevin Spacey's like, well, now, let me just give it

570
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.759
a little counter attack, because yes, everything you said was true,

571
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.400
but you're leaving a few little details out.

572
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.000
Well yeah, Like there's a lot of laugh out loud

573
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.799
moments around the dinner table, but when she kind of

574
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:22.359
slips into this, telling it like it is, and then

575
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.960
he started like, it's like attack counterattack, and they're just

576
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.000
they're just airing out all their dirty laundry in front

577
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.240
of the family. It's almost like you're watching a Neil

578
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.279
Simon play. All of a sudden, it's like, whoa, whoa

579
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:37.000
this I'm not laughing anymore. But I feel bad for her. Wait, no,

580
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.119
I feel bad for him until you get to I

581
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.000
feel bad for both of them. They just seem miserable,

582
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:43.640
you know.

583
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.240
And I can never quite figure out, like why they're

584
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.079
still together. Like the scene is so thick, like just

585
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:53.119
walk away.

586
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:55.720
She wants out, like she makes it clear at the

587
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.359
beginning of the movie, and he makes it clear we're

588
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.200
not getting a divorce. So I feel like for him,

589
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.240
he's miserable, but for him it's a status thing, like

590
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.359
it's a I don't want to look like I failed.

591
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:08.440
I don't want to, you know, he wants to keep

592
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.760
up appearances in this rich neighborhood that they live in.

593
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:14.480
And she just was like, I'm ready to leave. Like

594
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.440
what's what she say when she's like lashing out, She's like,

595
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.199
I'd rather be a truck stop waitress with blue hair

596
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.519
and pineapple wearings and you know, be alive instead of

597
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.679
being dead here. You know, they go they go dark.

598
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.840
I don't know that I love I don't know that

599
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.400
I I love it. Well, I definitely don't love it,

600
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.039
but I think I still like it because you can't

601
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.679
just laugh nonse. It's not a comedy in the sense that,

602
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.320
oh this you're could have laughed the whole time. It's yeah,

603
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.719
it gets a little it gets a little serious. There's

604
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.559
there's there's a couple of moments about the movie where

605
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:48.679
it's a little more serious. You know, I want to

606
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.639
talk pivotal moment because I want to hear yours because

607
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.239
I think we have the same one.

608
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.559
I doubt it because mine's very small.

609
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.719
Okay, what do you got The The moment in this

610
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.840
movie that makes that makes the movie.

611
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.519
The moment for me was when they first get back

612
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:10.159
to the house and Dennis Leary has them tied up

613
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:17.320
in the kitchen and they're arguing about did Judy Davis

614
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:23.280
quit smoking or not? And then he finally like shoves

615
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.000
them so that their chairs fall over and they're laying

616
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.480
on their back on the floor and he like gets

617
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.840
in her face and he's like, you know, where are

618
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.920
the cigarettes? And she finally tells him where they are,

619
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:35.599
and Kevin Spacey's taking the highroad and he's like, see,

620
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.719
I knew that you can't follow through with anything. And

621
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.719
then Dennis Larry just gets in his face and he goes,

622
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.079
did you see the stop sign? Yes, you saw the

623
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.760
stop sign, and he finally makes him admit that he

624
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.000
is just as much of a liar as she is.

625
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.639
And I was like, that is a therapeutic breakthrough the

626
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.519
doctor Wong could never achieve.

627
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.719
Exactly. Yeah, then you two are a liar. There go

628
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.360
little I, little a little R period. Yeah, because Kevin

629
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.480
Spacey is is so happy that he is putting her

630
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.840
in her place and he and Dennis Leary sees that

631
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:19.360
grin and that's you know, you sell stops on Denny Lloyd, Yes, yes, and.

632
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.599
That's like that's the moment when like Dennis Larry he

633
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:22.679
has now invested.

634
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:29.320
Yeah, all right mine definitely not a comedic moment, but

635
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.960
it's the moment where Dennis Leary's character is having somewhat

636
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.679
of a heart to heart with their son Jesse upstairs.

637
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.159
Because this kid is a juvenile, delinquent. He's you know,

638
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.519
he's bribing people at school. He's bribing is, he's bribing Siskel.

639
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:48.039
He's got all this money, and he's he's just a

640
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:53.960
bad kid, and he thinks Dennis Leary's life is amazing

641
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:56.360
and wants that life, and he's like, where do you go?

642
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.199
And Dennis Leary kind of breaks down and tells him, like, well,

643
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:00.440
here's here's how we do it.

644
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:00.599
You know.

645
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.760
We we steal all this shit and then we fence

646
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:04.079
it and we get half, and then we go down

647
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.400
to Jamaica and we hang out and then we lose

648
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:07.960
all our money and then we come right back up

649
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.360
and it sucks and it's not a great life. Like

650
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.000
Dennis Leary is breaking down and talking about how terrible

651
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.079
his life is and how it's not glamorous. It's like

652
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:17.599
he's trying to get through to this kid. He's trying

653
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.519
to reach this kid and let him know, like you've

654
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.920
got a great life. You've got parents that love you,

655
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.119
you got all the you know, the big house, you've

656
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.239
got a formal education, and they just can't see my

657
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.800
eye because the kid's like, no, my life is awful

658
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.400
and you've seen my parents. And I think that's the

659
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.320
moment where you're like, you know what, Dennis Leary is

660
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.960
not a bad guy. For all the things that he's doing,

661
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:45.199
robbing and you know, taking hostages, he's still trying to

662
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.119
keep this kid on the up and up. So I

663
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.159
think for me, I really liked that moment in this.

664
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.480
And Dennis Leary's doing some great acting there too, because

665
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.440
he's at the end when he realizes he's not reaching,

666
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:57.280
he's not getting through to this kid. He's just like,

667
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.599
you know, yes, love it. I know there's not a lot,

668
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:08.719
but let's talk background. You mentioned the writer Richard Logrevinisi,

669
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.880
so he co writes this with his sister in law,

670
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.400
Marie Weiss. Apparently it's inspired by their families. Did you

671
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:15.719
see that?

672
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:18.679
Yes, which I was like, ew wow.

673
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.760
Yeah, what a family. Yeah. She says she was inspired

674
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.679
by an argument that she had with her husband, thinking

675
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.119
to herself, wouldn't it be great if a third party

676
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.239
just stepped in to referee. So several drafts are written

677
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.760
before it's taken to Disney, which, okay, it's nineteen ninety four,

678
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.719
and Disney's the first place they go. And I know Disney,

679
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.519
you know, thanks to Dayton Johnson from the Documented seventy

680
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:50.400
seven podcast. He was just on our Film at forty

681
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.719
five series and he was talking about how Disney created

682
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.000
Touchstone so they could kind of do more adult movies.

683
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.320
I don't know when Touchstones starts, but I'm just saying,

684
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.360
a movie like this that you've written, it's a rated R,

685
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.920
dark Christmas family dysfunctional movie. How is Disney the first

686
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:06.400
place you go?

687
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.480
I don't know. I guess maybe if you figure, you know,

688
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:15.239
a lot of the bigger production companies have other fish

689
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:16.440
to fry, and this is a.

690
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:18.719
Smaller movie, I guess, but.

691
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.119
You know that that'd be the place to get it

692
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.280
made if they want to start branching out into this

693
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.719
edgier business.

694
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.000
Well, the crazy thing is, like I'm writing this. If

695
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.480
I'm writing this script, I'm going to Fox. I'm going

696
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.079
to Warner Brothers, going to Universal, not going to Disney.

697
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:40.079
But she was right, because Disney approves the project. The

698
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:41.440
same day they meet with her.

699
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:43.719
Yeah, it was like in twenty minutes.

700
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.719
Yeah, yeah, you got twenty minute meetings in the.

701
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:50.519
Player and made their pitch and that was it.

702
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.760
Oh, I got something on the player. I can't you

703
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.280
always find a way to get back to the player,

704
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:56.840
but I've got I was going to bring something back

705
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.719
to you. So how about that? Yeah? But you know,

706
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.760
so your of rewrites finds its way to Ted, Demi

707
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.000
and Dennis Leary, who had just worked together on his

708
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:11.159
stand up special No Cure for Cancer Again Dennis Leary

709
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.280
Red Hot MTV No Cure for Cancer and Amber. You've

710
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.920
you've seen that special, You've heard that that that album.

711
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.719
Oh my god, how is Disney going? Can we get

712
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.079
Dennis Learry on the phone again? It? The way this

713
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.920
all comes together is just it stupefies me. But one

714
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.239
more thing. You know, we just talked about the pivotal moment,

715
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:32.599
So you know I was talking about I was talking

716
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.199
about how Gusts and Jesse's heart art conversation about whose

717
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.400
life is worse? Yes, did you read about Here's here's

718
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.280
what I can't fathom the original ending of this movie.

719
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:44.039
Can we talk about that for a second.

720
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.719
Yeah, because I don't even know how anybody thought this

721
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:49.679
was going to be a plausible ending.

722
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.000
Okay, so clue the listeners in, how does If you've

723
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.880
seen the ref we know how it ends, but tell

724
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.639
tell us how it how it originally ended.

725
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:05.360
It originally ended with Dennis Leary turning himself in to

726
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:10.559
show Jesse that a life of crime, you know, isn't

727
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.840
going to lead anywhere. It's ultimately you're going to get caught.

728
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:16.960
What a crock of shit, Like, there's no.

729
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.199
Freaking way this guy is gonna be turn himself in

730
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.760
for some kid that he met like two hours ago. No, like,

731
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.119
what a bunch of horseshit.

732
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.119
Yeah, test audiences hated it.

733
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.360
Set up the whole movie, like he's your hero. He's

734
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.400
an anti hero, but he's a hero nonetheless. Yeah, and

735
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.960
so of course you wanted him to get away.

736
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.800
Like, well, it's a good thing you got a big

737
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.119
studio like Disney behind you, because they reshoot the new

738
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.239
ending three months before the film's released. Incredible.

739
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.519
When they do that down to the wire stuff, it

740
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:54.920
just stresses me out.

741
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.639
I don't I don't understand why to do it, but yeah,

742
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.679
do it? All right, Well, we're going to take one

743
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:03.880
last break and when we return, we'll talk a little

744
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:11.199
bit about Ted Demi and wrap things up. Welcome back, Amber.

745
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:15.880
Let me throw three things about Ted Dimi to you.

746
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.800
And I got a little quote. I've got a cryptic quote,

747
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.400
but I think there's something in here that you're gonna

748
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.880
be like, what. So let's talk about the first thing,

749
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:27.840
and this one is going to blow our friend deaf

750
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:34.199
Dave's mind. Oh boy, Amber ted Dimmi began his career

751
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.280
working as a production assistant for MTV, works his way

752
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.119
up and in nineteen eighty eight creates a show called

753
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:48.880
Yo MTV Raps. Oh my gosh, this guy created Yo

754
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:55.920
MTV Raps. How what tc? Yeah? And on that note,

755
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:59.440
the first thing he directed was, in fact, a music video.

756
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.199
You've talked and I've talked before about these directors that

757
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:05.679
start get their start music videos. Yes, I know for

758
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.559
a fact that young Amber was jamming out to this one.

759
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.119
You know, a video he directed his his The first

760
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.440
thing he ever directed was this was this music video.

761
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.360
I mean, it's gotta be a rapper.

762
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:23.119
Salt and Peppa's push it. Yes, how about that? Oh man?

763
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.920
That was the jam? Oh my?

764
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:29.519
Who is this guy? Right? Yeah? And you know, I

765
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:30.719
don't want I don't want to bring that. You know,

766
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.360
this movie we laugh and then we it gets a

767
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.199
little serious. I don't want to. You know, we're laughing now.

768
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:36.360
I gotta get a little serious with you.

769
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:37.400
Yeah.

770
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:41.599
Sadly, following a celebrity basketball game for the NBA Entertainment

771
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.719
League where he did collapse, he died several hours later

772
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.920
from a thrombotic heart attack, and coroners believed it was

773
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:55.239
brought on by cocaine. This was he was a young guy.

774
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.239
This was you know, I remember when I remember when

775
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.559
this happened, and I was like, what, m m you

776
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.079
got a heart attack playing basketball?

777
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:02.880
What happened? Right?

778
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:04.320
Can't do coke?

779
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:04.960
Yeah?

780
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.119
I mean this is the guy that that directed blow.

781
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.480
I mean, so exactly.

782
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:14.800
Personal knowledge.

783
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.360
Here's a quote for you, and like I said, a

784
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:23.280
little cryptic, he once said. Quote. The older I get,

785
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.599
the more I realize there's no real good guys or

786
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:30.239
real bad guys. And I'm curious about how the good

787
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.880
guys got good and how the bad guys got bad.

788
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.559
Wow, that is a kind of cryptic.

789
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:38.920
That's one like you listen, you hear that, and you're like,

790
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.039
that's deep and it makes you think, Like I've been

791
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.599
thinking about that for a couple of days. I'm like, what,

792
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.360
it's heavy, you know, yeah, great, great director. You know.

793
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.119
I think we definitely lost him way too soon. But Amber,

794
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.159
if someone was unfamiliar with Ted Demi and they watched

795
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.039
the ref and they said, I love this movie, and

796
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.159
you know, what's what else? What else? What else? You got?

797
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:06.719
Which three films would you suggest they watch?

798
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:09.599
Wait, it doesn't really have.

799
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.960
He doesn't, but he directed like county music videos. I

800
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.199
think he's got like what twenty twenty four credits to

801
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.639
his name. Yeah, but there's three that are must watches.

802
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.639
I saw that he did a couple episodes of the

803
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:33.360
television series Homicide, which I loved and is now available

804
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:37.480
on Peacock. And if you need an excuse to watch it,

805
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.960
I don't know what other reason you would need other

806
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:42.559
than Andre Brower.

807
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.480
But all right, well hold on, let me just say this.

808
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:54.039
Scott Hoffman wearing an Amber Lewis mask. It's the rule breaking,

809
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:59.639
rule breaking. I asked you, which three films would you suggest?

810
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.559
But it's it's Christmas Eve.

811
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.079
Wait, you just said here music videos. He didn't even

812
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:08.400
make three movies, did he?

813
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.880
Yeah? He made three awesome movies.

814
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.880
Listen, listen, also be movies that I've seen.

815
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.920
Spirit of Christmas. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you Homicide.

816
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.760
You know you're gonna also have to give me, uh

817
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.679
the Dennis Leary New Care for Cancer because that stand

818
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.400
up is absolutely amazing.

819
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.920
TV stand Okay, you're really pushing it here, but okay,

820
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.079
I'll give it. I'll give it to you. You got

821
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.519
you got one more? No, you don't, you don't have one. No,

822
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.920
I mean, I'll tell you what tell tell your friend? Listen,

823
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.079
I I really don't know. Why don't you go ask Jeff?

824
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.519
He'll probably such a straight because here's what I would

825
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:51.159
tell What would you say? First off, I mentioned Blow

826
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.000
with Johnny Depp. Movie's awesome. That is definitely one I

827
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:55.599
would recommend.

828
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:59.599
You haven't seen it, Padro Escobar.

829
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:04.320
Right, No, it's about George. I can't remember his last name. George.

830
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:09.159
You know George drug the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

831
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:10.079
it's a good word.

832
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:14.280
But he was not playing Escar.

833
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.800
No, it's a It's a fantastic film. I would recommend that. One.

834
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.239
One of the last things he directed was a documentary

835
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:26.159
called A Decade Under the Influence. A must watch for

836
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:32.199
anyone who loves seventies filmmaking because it's a documentary. Him

837
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.800
and a couple other guys basically interview some of the

838
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.800
biggest directors from the seventies and it's all about how

839
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.920
seventies cinema, you know, came about like that.

840
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.960
You know, Oh that sounds amazing.

841
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:48.840
I'm telling you, it's fantastic and.

842
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.679
I completely agree with all of it.

843
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.679
So yeah, definitely check that one out. I think you'll

844
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:54.039
love it.

845
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.280
Oh my god. Yeah.

846
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.360
And lastly, you gotta put this one on your list,

847
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.400
you know, because I'm assuming you haven't seen it. We

848
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:06.599
are going to be covering it this Friday. We got

849
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:11.280
one last episode from our limited series nineteen ninety six.

850
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.519
Our buddy Andy Frye is going to be back to

851
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.280
talk with me and we'll be discussing his nineteen ninety

852
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.119
six film Beautiful Girls.

853
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.039
Oh. Dayton Johnson loves this movie.

854
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.199
Well he should. I love this movie. Andy Fryer loves

855
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:28.840
this movie. I can't believe you haven't seen it. You

856
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.840
would love you would love this movie. I'm talking all

857
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.679
star cast here. Everybody is in this movie. Timothy Hutton,

858
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:40.679
Uma Thurman, Michael Rappaport a young Nolly Portman. She's like

859
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:46.079
she's like post Leone but pre Star Wars. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

860
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.480
you know it's all about Timothy Hutton's h Dylan. Yeah,

861
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.480
but you know it's and I'll clean you in real quick.

862
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.920
Timothy Hutton's like he went off to New York to

863
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.239
be this amazing musician, but he's kind of kind of

864
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.079
grinding it out. I was really guying war. So he's

865
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.280
kind of like having like a crisis of like do

866
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:04.559
I want to do this or do I want to

867
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:06.800
do I not want to do this. He goes back

868
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.760
home for his high school reunion and all his friends

869
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.159
that he graduated or grew up with, they're all they

870
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.599
never left town. So it's kind of like a coming

871
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:21.239
home movie. But it's it's dramatic comedy. It's it's so

872
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.960
much fun, and we're going to talk about it this Friday.

873
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:24.840
So awesome.

874
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.840
Yeah, I have to watch it and you'll have to watch.

875
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:29.840
It, so know what you guys have to say about it.

876
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.039
Absolutely So those those are my three picks. Amber. I'm

877
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.360
almost nervous to ask the question, but do we recommend

878
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.159
seeing this film? Well, you know what's what's your final

879
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:39.639
thoughts here?

880
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:47.360
I think if you like that kind of darker humor,

881
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.199
like if you're a person who prefers the British Office

882
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.960
to the American Office television show, then this is the

883
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:57.840
kind of humor that you like. This is the kind

884
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.000
of movie that you like if you like the movie

885
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.280
The Breakup and you know, poor Christmases and stuff like that,

886
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.079
or if your family is just a dumpster fire and

887
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.440
you need to, you know, have some a movie that

888
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.480
you can like commiserate with and these people feel your pain,

889
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.679
you can watch this movie. But if you're like me

890
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.920
and you want Christmas just to be shiny and Charlie

891
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.000
Brown and you know, then stay in your happy place,

892
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.239
all right. Well, and maybe March was a good time

893
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.079
for it to come out for people like me.

894
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:37.760
I for one, love the unconventional, darker Christmas movies, the

895
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.960
dysfunctional family Christmas movies, because I laugh at it. But

896
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.079
I also when it gets a little more serious, it

897
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.599
helps me appreciate what I have, because I my family

898
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:55.039
is the farthest thing from the Chasseurs right that you

899
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.440
can get God, So I love seeing movies like this

900
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.480
because it makes me because I know they're our families

901
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.920
out here that are like this. If there weren't they,

902
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:06.440
we wouldn't get movies like this. And I'm happy. I'm

903
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.760
happy to know, like you know, later later this later

904
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:11.639
this afternoon, I'll be going. I'll be going to a

905
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:18.079
very warm and loving family get together and enjoying Christmas. Yes,

906
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:24.199
unlike unlike Lloyd and and Uh and Caroline. So but

907
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:26.599
they have a happy ending, right they you know they do.

908
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.480
Dennis Leary helps them work through their ship and they

909
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.960
come understanding. Yeah, he kind of saved Christmas, so it

910
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.639
ends happy. We can give it that well. Listeners, what

911
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.559
do you think of the ref Have you seen it?

912
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.719
Please let us know on social media. You'll find us

913
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.800
on Facebook, Instagram, and x You can check out a

914
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:50.639
Film by Podcast dot com for our film and TV articles,

915
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.480
our entire library, which is streaming free. You can write

916
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:56.360
to us at a Film by Podcast at gmail dot

917
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:59.599
com with your questions, comments and concerns. We may just

918
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.719
read response on the show and send you some film

919
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:06.639
by Swag and Real Quick. Too many to name, but

920
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.039
I know we will name them on our New Year's

921
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:14.199
Eve special Amber. We have gotten plenty of responses. We

922
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.159
put out we put out an email to all of

923
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:20.400
our subscribers asking them, you know, what are your top

924
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.559
ten movies for the twenty twenties. At this point, we're

925
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.920
halfway through the twenty twenties, so we told everyone, hey,

926
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.400
you know, twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, what's your

927
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.239
top ten? Andrew Blakely is going to be hosting a

928
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:35.079
little New Year's Eve special that we're going to drop

929
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.800
on New Year's Eve, which is another Tuesday, And I

930
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.079
believe Jason Colvin from the Surely You Can't Be Serious

931
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:44.119
podcast will be joining us to kind of go over

932
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:46.079
what are the top ten films? So Amber, I know

933
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.159
he wants to hear from you too, Like he's like, where's.

934
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.599
I am working diligently on my list?

935
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.679
All Right, We're good. We're into this year with a band.

936
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.079
We've got a lot of fun stuff, and then we've

937
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:58.360
got so much fun stuff in store for twenty twenty five.

938
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.679
Can you talk about We're not ready to talk about it,

939
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.039
are we?

940
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.280
We were talking about it though and planning, and it's

941
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:05.159
going to be a great year.

942
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.880
I'll tell you what a little sneak peek, We're gonna

943
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:13.039
have a lot more Amber Lewis. Yes, I'm looking forward

944
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:16.000
to it. Yeah, some fun, fun new limited series with

945
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.079
Amber Lewis that we'll get to in the new year.

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Until then, Amber, thank you so much. I hope, I

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hope your Christmas today is fantastic. I hope you guys,

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you and Liam and the family. I think, I hope

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you guys all have a wonderful day.

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Thank you you as well.

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Thank you, and to all of you listening to the show,

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following us on social media and subscribing to our Patreon,

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we thank you. We wish you a very merry Christmas

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and the happiest of holidays.

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Happy Holidays, everybody,