The Hughes Brothers: From Hell

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What would you say is your favorite
graphic novel adaptation when it comes to films,

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And I'm not talking about the heavy
hitters like Batman or Superman or spider

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Man. Yeah, yep, I'm
talking like I'm talking about indies. I'm

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talking about Underground. The one that
surprised me the most and the one that

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just sticks with me is Sin City. Good choice. Knowing that Robert Rodriguez,

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which is a director I've had mind
for a long time, collaborated directly

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with Frank Miller to do a true
interpretation of that was groundbreaking. Honestly,

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I love when they take graphic novels
and tournament into movies, especially like these

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underground comics, these indie comics that
a lot of people mainstream doesn't know about.

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Let's talk about a film by the
Ughes Brothers. There are two thousand

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and one underrated crime classic from Hell. Hello everybody, I'm Jeff Johnson,

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I'm Scott Hoffman, and this is
a Film By Podcast. Before we get

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into today's discussion, I want to
call out one of our recent Patreon members,

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one of our newest and most recent
Patreon members, Steve Cooley. Scott,

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I think you might know this guy, right, yes, Steve,

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how you doing man? This episode
is being brought to you by Steve Cooley

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and Scott. I know you're excited
about another recording that we're going to do

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later. Steve has requested a very
specific movie for his exclusive episode on Patreon.

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Yep. I can't wait. Thank
you to Steve. I can't wait

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to talk about Bubba Hotep and that's
gonna be a fun on Scott, how

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do you get an exclusive episode on
Patreon? Well, you do what Steve

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Cooley does. You find us on
Patreon and you subscribe. It's that easy,

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that's right. I have been looking
forward to discussing the Hughes Brothers specifically

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so we could discuss this movie,
Scott, you want to tell our listeners

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what this one's all about. After
five ritualistic murders are committed in eighteen eighty

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eight, London Inspector Aberlein's assignment is
to investigate the Jack the Ripper murders.

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Along with the string of mutilated prostitutes. He incurvers a conspiracy involving the government

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that goes all the way to the
crowd. So the Jack the Ripper murders

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occur between August thirty first and November
ninth, London, Whitechapel District, eighteen

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eighty eight. The film would kind
of have you under the impression that maybe

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this is all happening in like the
same week or so, but you know,

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in reality, this this took several
months real quick. I want to

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discuss a couple other Jack the Ripper
movies or Jack Ripper themed movies. Okay,

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does any is there a movie aside
from frum Held? Is there a

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Jack the Ripper film that comes to
mind for you as one that you're like,

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you know what, I like that
one or that one was was pretty

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damn good. The one that comes
to mind for me is one that I'm

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actually interested in digging into that I
haven't seen, and it's a series about

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Jack the Ripper featuring Michael Kane.
Now, is it called Jack the Ripper

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or is it Guy? Is it
under? Does go buy the other name

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because that's just Jack the Ripper.
Yeah. Well, I'm surprised because I

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thought if there was one surefire answer
that you were gonna give the Scott Hoffman

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answer, it would it would be
Batman got them by Gaslight. I was

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going to say just one answer because
it's a Scott Haffin answer, so it's

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going to be really complex. Now, Batman Got Them by Gas. That

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is such a great I mean,
well, it's a great graphic novel that

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became one of the better DC animated
projects, and in my opinion, I

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think it. I think it's the
best Batman one I've seen. Yeah,

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I love the exploration of things that
I don't know if they still call it

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else Worlds, but it was definitely
that start of that kind of line where

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you could see these staple characters appearing
in different time periods and yeah, gotam

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by guess that is a great call. It's streaming on Max right now.

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Listeners. If you have not seen
it, I strongly recommend it. It

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is fantastic. Uh, not as
fantastic, but enjoyable. Do you remember

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one called Jack's Back from nineteen eighty
eight? It feels familiar, but no

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starring the awesome James Spader. Interesting. All right, well, no,

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that's too that I gotta check out. You got to check that one out.

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I know you saw Shanghai Knights,
not that that's a Jack the Ripper

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movie, but yes, I remember
they kind of bumped into Jack the Ripper.

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That was kind of cool thing.
Which I think is underrated. It's

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you know, it's you know,
not necessarily you know, thought provoking.

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Fair, But damn, that's a
good movie. Yeah it is. It's

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fun. I'll tell you what else
was fun. This past Christmas, we

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had we had a managanic on the
on the show and we talked about Bob

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Clark's Black Christmas. Bob Clark also
did a Jack the Ripper movie called Murder

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by Decree with Christopher Plumber. Have
you seen that one? No? But

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I mean you had me at Christopher
Plumber, so well, hopefully I have

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you at this. It just happens
to be a nineteen seventy nine film,

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so maybe maybe you will find a
way, maybe you'll find a way to

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cover it on a film, right, all right, Scott, let's talk

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about this cast and crew. Johnny
Depp as Inspector Aberline. So he turns

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this down at first because he had
just played icobat Crane and Sleepy Hollow.

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And I don't know about you,
but like, I'm watching this recently and

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I almost feel like it could have
been the same character. Not that ikobad

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Crane was smoking opium and chasing the
dragon, but you know, same time

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period, same style, stylistic choices. Yeah, pretty similar. Look right,

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they could have at least been you
know, twins separated at birth,

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Yeah, just in different parts of
the world. Yeah, glad he did

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take the role though it was actually
it was meant for Danield Lewis. The

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Hughes brothers had him in mind when
they got their hands on this script.

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So you know, he's famous for
being being very choosy about his projects.

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Yeah. And according to Alan Moore, uh, Sean Connery was cast for

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a time, and after he drops
out, Hughes brothers meet with Brad Pitt

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and Jude Law, but ultimately they
go with Johnny Depp. Yeah. I

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think they made the right call.
I give you all those names? Is

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that the right call? I do? I think so? Yeah. Now

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I'm curious Sean Connery in Johnny depth
Roll very interesting because that makes me think

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about what the dynamic would have been
with Mary, right with Mary Kelly Graham.

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Obviously they have they have a lot
of chemistry in this one. But

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I don't feel like it's over.
You know, it's not like you know,

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star cross lovers and they're destined to
be together and Audiens like that.

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It's just circumstances where they happened to
make a connection, we'll say, And

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I don't know, I can't see
that happening with well, not really with

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Sean Connery. That seems like quite
an age gap. At this point in

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his career. Connery is working opposite
like Catherine Zita Jones yep, trapman,

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Yeah, you know, Alison Duty
in Last Crusade, yep. I mean,

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he's still I'm not gonna say it's
believable that these these younger, beautiful

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women are fawning all over him,
but it's possible. It's possible. I

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mean, don't get me wrong.
He's got the charisma and the look too

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to certainly pull that off. But
it does seem like there's just a bit

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of a disparity, and I think
I can't really I'm trying to picture Sean

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Connery in Opium Den just you know, with the the eight ball contact lenses

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kind of you know, sitting back
and getting lost in the visions, and

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it just doesn't feel right. He
couldn't do it. That would feel cartoon,

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That would feel cartoony. And I
know this is based off a graphic

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novel, but it would it wouldn't
feel right. I believe Johnny Depp as

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an addict in this movie. Yeah, I believe his chemistry with Heather Graham

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absolutely right. I also feel like
as a as a younger actor, him

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not necessarily knowing as much about the
Freemasons and kind of getting deeper and deeper

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into that world as the movie goes
on. Is it's more believable or seems

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to fit when you have a younger
character versus if Sean Connery was there.

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It feels like it would be,
you know, somebody who's seasoned and has

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probably worked with these inspectors and has
known about this stuff all along. Good

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point. What do you think of
Robbie Coltrane as Sergeant Godley Is. I

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mean, he answers to Inspector Aberline, but he also he kind of keeps

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him in line, right, he
does. I thought he was fantastic.

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He's perfect in this role. He
really is, you know, obviously he's

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He's very well known and loved as
Hagrid in the Harry Potter series. But

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for me, it makes me think
of his role in GoldenEye. It makes

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me think of his smaller role in
Was It Ocean's Twelve? I think he

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does a great job of being kind
of the the number one to inspector Averline.

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Right, It's interesting that he continues
to kind of drop Shakespeare in references,

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almost like he's trying to kind of
up the intellect of conversations with Averline.

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That is probably my favorite aspect of
the character is how he quotes Shakespeare,

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you know, because he, I
think, if I'm not mistaken,

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he quotes Hamlet, he quotes Romeo
and Juliet, he quotes Henry the Fifth.

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He doesn't quote a fella, but
he does mention that Depp is kind

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of becoming Othello with all his paranoia, and yeah, that was a great

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drop. Yeah, He's a fantastic
character in this film. Yeah, we

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mentioned Heather Graham. She plays one
of the one of the White Chapel prostitutes

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Mary in the late nineties. She
is on a white Hot streak Boogie Nights

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in Scream two in ninety seven,
Lost in Space in ninety eight, Austin

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Powers The Spy Who Shagged Me,
and Bowfinger and Eleni Kravitz music video in

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nineteen ninety nine. Yep, this
woman is doing no wrong at this point,

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right, Yeah, Yeah, And
I think it's a very smart choice

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to take this movie in particular because
of you know, a lot of the

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other things that you mentioned, especially
Boogie Knights. It feels like this is

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a bit of a left turn for
her. It feels like a role that

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she can get pretty deep into the
character. And it's a it's a pedal

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character in the movie obviously, and
it's an interesting take on the character or

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the person because it's you know,
as we're as we're going all through this

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discussion, people like Mary Kelly were
actual people that lived at that time,

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but as kind of a what I
want to say, kind of like a

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almost a redemption for that person's story
or kind of an alternate what if where

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we come up with a better ending. I like that. I like that

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very much. Yeah. I remember
they're they're filming this in Prague in the

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Czech Republic, and on the on
the sound stage right next door, they're

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filming another movie. She happens to
meet Heath Ledger and they begin dating for

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a time. What he was he
was doing A Night's Tale? Yeah,

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talk about Yes, it isn't you
know what that that Scott? That is

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an underrated movie. Yeah, it's
got a lot of people we like in

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it, and I'm sorry I'm I'm
ashamed to say I don't know who the

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director is right right off the top
of my head, but we might have

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to look at that one here,
I think we will. Yeah, all

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right, Scott, let's do thats
pay attention to that one, yeah,

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Alan Tutic, Yes, pay a
whole lot of attention. Yes, one

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guy, one guy you always got
to pay attention to in a movie Ian

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Home. Oh, he's he's playing
doctor Goal in this. Interestingly enough,

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Nigel Hawthorne, who we loved his
voice work in Black, Black Cauldron and

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Watership Down. You guys talked about
him on the seventy eight year for a

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film at forty five. He was
originally cast in this, but he had

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to withdraw from the project because of
a terminal cancer diagnosis. Interesting, and

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it was his his buddy from the
Madness of King George Ian Home that he

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he gets they get to replace him. This was a This was a time

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capsule of a viewing for me because
for some reason, as soon as I

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saw Ian Holme, it brought me
back to fifth element of all the things,

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of all the things, all the
things. Now he's got a breadth

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of work obviously beyond that, but
just thinking back to this kind of this

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time period or this kind of era
in film. It just wouldn't made me

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want to see that all over again. But obviously we've got a very different

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character here. And one of the
first things I noticed. It's kind of

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an odd thing to pick out,
but the height difference. Yeah, I

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home and certain characters, like there's
the there's a hospital scene where you're first

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introduced to Sir William, I would
say, and you can see that he's

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he's looking up at most of the
other characters, but know somewhat happens with

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his character. And we're not spoiling
anything here, right well, you know

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that's before we before we go forward. Let's just do this because I don't

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want to restrict us and our our
our our comments. So let's just say

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this. Listeners, if you haven't
seen from Hell, go see it and

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then come back to us, because
we're definitely gonna give away some spoilers.

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I think we don't have a choice, So spoiler warning right there. Scott,

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back to the conversation talking about the
height difference. Think about this.

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Nigel Hawthorne was six foot and he
they were pretty far along in pre production,

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so the Hughes brothers even even have
commented on this. Actually they speak

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about this on the audio commentary for
the DVD. They were ready to go,

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and then when they had to bring
Ian Holman, they basically had to

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rethink a lot of their shots because
of the drastic difference in height, because

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Ian Holme's like five foot three.
And then the immediate concern was how do

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you make him? How do you
make him fierce? How do you make

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him intimidating when it's when it's necessary
for his character to be fierce and intimidating,

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right, Well, the great thing
is about that is you don't have

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to because his character doesn't need to
be intimidating at all. In fact,

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he probably has to be somewhat disarming. And I think ianholm has that great

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range. And you know I've seen
that pops into my head is in Lord

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of the Rings when he's talking with
Fredo and you know they're kind of exchanging

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in the Ring, and there's a
moment when he kind of goes into like

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this large marge kind of Gollum moment, right, and his face just transforms

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completely. You see that transformation play
out at a longer at a slower burn

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here, but you definitely see range
of this, this person that you'd probably

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go for, you know, a
cup of tea, no questions asked,

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Sure, I'm not in any danger. And then when he goes into the

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snarl, it is terrifying. You're
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and I'm thinking about his performance as
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where here's someone, here's someone that
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trust them because why wouldn't we trust
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then the reveal hit hits and then
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and then we're terrified of them.
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this flat expression, that's just you
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get into the background of this film, talk about its production history a little.

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We're back, Scott and I are
talking about the Hughes brothers from Hell.

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So this initially, they have a
deal with Disney through one of the

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EASTA Pictures and they offer him a
choice of From Hell or con Air.

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but they're unhappy with the From Hell script,

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and you know, by their own
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rather corny, and it has this
happy ending where Johnny Depp and Heather Graham

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end up in Ireland, you know, dancing in the in the courtyard.

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it's at this time that Disney moves
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doing this anymore. The film kind
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new lines involved. It ultimately lands
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of the Apes remake, and when
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do from Hell. Now before we
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is happening without Alan Moore, right, Yeah, absolutely so, Scott tell

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us tell us a little bit about
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referenced him several times already. Who
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Alan Moore, get comfortable because there
is a big collection of work to pour

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through, and his contributions to storytelling, specifically illustrated storytelling, is one of

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the most important in the field.
He's an author from Northampton, England,

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responsible for groundbreaking work in comics,
including Watchman obviously, from Hell v for

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Vendetta, the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, work that helped to redefine key characters

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at d C, including Batman,
The Killing Joke, Superman, whatever Happened

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to the Man of Tomorrow which Jeff
is a Superman fan. I really hope

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you've read that. I have read
it, I own it, and I

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happen to love it fantastic. He
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eighties run of Swamp Thing, where
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the Demon, the Phantom, Stranger, dead Man, and he created John

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Constantine with Stephen Bissett and John Ridgeway. Name any comic based award and he's

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won it several times over. But
he's famously not a fan of adaptations of

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his work in movies, television,
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form. It seems like anything I've
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me. And I'm not trying to
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he is one of the best of
all time, But I mean, has

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he ever, like, has he
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has happened from one of his books, Not that I know of. In

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fact, it seems like he's wanted
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that I found and said that as
long as I could distance myself by not

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seeing them in terms of the films
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he would be assured that no one
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he wants to make sure that his
name is is not associated with certain work.

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series on HBO. This is the
first. This is the first from Hell's

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the first Fox movie, right,
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take a run at an Alan Moore
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Extraordinary Gentlemen in two thousand and three. No, so he ultimately he does

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get Sean Connery as in the lead
role. So that's right. Be satisfied,

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Alan Moore. Earlier, you mentioned
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Freemasons in the film, So I'd
be remiss if I didn't if I didn't

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mention this. You know, I
wanted to about the Freemasonry connection that the

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movie has. Obviously it's in the
source material, you know. The plot

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suggests that Jack belonged to the Freemasons. Uh, and it depicts Masonic imagery

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and themes. It also suggests that
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matters on their own. Yeah,
I gotta tell you, I get a

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kick. You know, this isn't
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thing happen in movies. I'm I'm
a third degree Master Mason, So you

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know when I see all this stuff
about secret societies and you know this is

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that I won't. I won't,
I won't. I won't say what I'm

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thinking, but I will say that
it's always, uh, it's always amusing

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when I when I see see certain
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like the triangle with the eyeball in
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mean the all seeing eye and the
compass in the square. There's there's a

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lot of Masonic imagery in this film. You know. Don't ask me,

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Scott, you know, if you
want to, you want to find out

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that maybe we'll talk about you.
Initially, there's just there's just a knock

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at my door. Ye one person
who is not a free Mason talking about

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Marilyn Manson. Surprisingly, he slated
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film score, but Once he realized
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he opted instead to remix his song
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It just so happens to be my
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having said that, I can tell
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film, even with the end credit
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what the Used brothers were thinking with
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eighteen eighty eight and it just doesn't
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if maybe that wasn't the director's choice, but maybe more a studio choice,

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maybe more a studio recommendation that got
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Uh, let's I know, we
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before we do, there's two scenes
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your thought on. Let's talk for
just a moment. Let's talk about this

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lobotomy scene. Sure, or scenes, I should say scenes. They are

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barbaric. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's interesting that you're you're talking

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about pivotal scenes. What happens with
Ann and her entire arc from the moment

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she introduces her baby through the lobotomy
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Think about this. They were doing
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done right up until like the late
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understand how modern modern medicine held onto
something so grizz so obscene for so long,

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you know, Yeah, and how
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Like when you see it happening,
it's it's almost like, you know,

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hammering and nail on the wall,
Like you're pounding into somebody's brain in

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three different directions with a tool that
looks like what I usually used to,

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you know, carve out the hole
for a doorknob. Right, Yeah,

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this this woman's hysterical. Quick,
get the hammer in the spike. It's

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god. Sorry, It just really
frames up the struggle for women, especially

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in this profession at that time.
They're horrible mistreatment and the empathy, the

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empathy that you build for Mary Kelly
and her friends because you have somebody who

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is almost out and then goes way
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an institution. Yeah, I'll tell
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me that we just talked about night
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talking about Night Shift, and Amber
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of that episode about about the treatment
of women. You know, when we're

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talking about when we're talking about prostitution
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know, we get the Hollywood treatment
and it's glamorous and it glitzy, and

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then and then we see that it's
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man, the the lives that these
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it's it's heartbreaking. It's the total
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It absolutely is. I'll tell you
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without its grisly moments. The Morga
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It is. It's scary, looking
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it was filmed in a basement of
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I don't know why they would have
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it work. Yeah, definitely definitely
has one of my favorite moments for depth,

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he has the line the butcher is
a rational yet meticulous and deliberate I'm

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talking about you know, because at
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it's it's these pimps from the East
East End and you know they're just

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slaughtering these girls and depths like that. No, this is someone that's methodical,

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someone that is patient, someone that's
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of those places where I think the
Hues have that mastery of atmosphere, right,

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works so well without really having to
see any of it. Like I don't

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remember many scenes where we actually saw
what they would see when they peeled the

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curtain back or they you know,
drew back the fabric, but you feel

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it, you know, when every
one of those doctors is repulsed and has

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a hard time seeing it. That
to the you know, the cavernous kind

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of setting of that moorg it all
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implied, and what we don't know, what we don't see, our imagination

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makes makes it so much worse,
right, Yeah, But when you got

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these you know, like onceing where
the doctor like they pull the pull the

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sheet and the doctor himself like he
pulls back and wretches and vomits right there

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and then and then k it takes
like three steps and then faints. Yeah,

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and from the midshot we can just
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the table. We can't we don't
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And the Hughes brothers do such an
amazing job making you feel sick to your

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stomach, you know, making you
nauseous, making you horrified at what we're

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looking at. Yeah, they do
it just with you know, the actors,

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I should say, do it with
just their performances, how they are

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just they they withdraw in terror at
what they're looking at. Yeah. It

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sharply reminds you of the state of
medicine at that time and what these poor

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doctors had to see and go through, especially during these murders. But you

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know, day to day life in
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let's move on because we might have
a lunch crowd listening, Scott.

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Let's talk. Let's talk about the
pivotal moment. Is there a moment in

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this movie that and I'm not talking
about the epic climax or you know what

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you saw on the trailer I'm talking
about a scene where you just said,

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you know what, this particular moment, this particular scene says so much about

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the movie or the story or one
of the actors performances. What do you

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got? So to me, it's
the first meeting between Sir William and Everlin

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because it works very well in a
detective thriller type movie. It feels to

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me like that moment when you get
the hint that Aberline suspects that Sir William

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might be the person he's looking for, but he's not quite ready to do

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so. He's not quite ready to
piece all those together, but you get

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those kind of hints just in the
look of his eye. To me,

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that helps to kind of reset this. And I think it feels like when

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it first came out, is set
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I think is a bad representation of
it. It's it's a grizzly thriller,

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it's a grizzly detective story, but
it doesn't feel like a horror movie to

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me. Even though it has gory
elements, it just doesn't fit in that

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category. So when I think of
something that kind of helps to define what

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kind of movie you're looking for that
to me? Does it great? Analysis?

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More great the phrasing of Grizzly Detective
thriller, and I wish I would

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have used it in the opening of
the of the of the show. That's

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fans just edit it back in there. Yeah, what about you? What

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do you think is the pivotal scene
that that there's watching? Well, I

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gotta tell you, this movie takes
an unexpected turn towards the middle when we

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start to see a relationship developed between
Inspector Aberline and Mary. Because up till

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this point, we've seen Johnny Depp. You know, we know his wife

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died. Whether it was six years
ago, six months ago, we don't

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know, but we know that she
recently he's he's he's still mourning and he's

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he's coping with her with his loss. In the Opium den. I think

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the pivotal moment here is the first
kiss between Aberline and Mary, because there's

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this gentle moment where she's she's fallen
for him. She moves in, he

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kind of recoils. She takes it
the wrong way, like, you know,

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he was just trying to get you
know, she was trying to use

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her services. So she's offended.
But then he lunges in and it's like

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that passionate kind of kiss. I
think it's fantastic, and then you know,

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we got the the police. The
policeman interrupts some the cinematographer on the

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audio commentary, he kind of makes
the comment about how Johnny has this method

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of withdrawing into the alley shadows,
almost like he's been caught doing something.

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But then he quickly re emerges,
unashamed, and then you know, the

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cops like, oh sorry, I
didn't recognize you, inspector. I love

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that moment for the movie because it
gives Mary the opportunity to have something that's

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that's nice, something that's good,
something that's pure in a life that's so

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awful, right, yeah, yeah, And it also gives the inspector an

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opportunity to move forward, you know, to heal, even if it's for

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even if it's not gonna last,
because we know where his story ends.

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But I don't know. I love
that moment, Scott. Let's take one

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more break and when we come back, we got to talk a little bit

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about the Hughes brothers and their filmography. Hey we're back, all right,

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Jeff, So what can you tell
us about the Hughes brothers. Well,

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before we get into their filmography,
I will let you know they were born

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in Detroit, Michigan, in nineteen
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Allen, who were raised by their
mother. She was very supportive of their

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filmmaking ambitions, gifting them a camera
when they were twelve years old, and

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like a lot of directors that we've
talked about on this show, they spent

404
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.079
a lot of their free time making
short films. Both twins dropped out of

405
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.319
high school at the age of eighteen
and began shooting music videos for artists like

406
00:33:53.400 --> 00:34:00.359
Tone Loke and Tupac Shakur. And
because of their experience co directing music videos,

407
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.680
they become the first duo since Jerry
and David Zucker to be given a

408
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:12.039
waiver by the Director's Good of America
to take co credit as directors. On

409
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.199
set, Alan usually works closely with
the actors. Albert typically looks after the

410
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:22.960
technical aspects of filmmaking. He is
the one that took filmmaking classes in school.

411
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So let's talk about their filmography,
Scott, and we're gonna, we're

412
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gonna, we're gonna stick to the
movies that they did together because they have

413
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.960
done some solo projects, but uh, let's let's stick to their team efforts.

414
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Nineteen ninety three Menace to Society.
This is This is teenage crime and

415
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.480
coming of age in the neighborhoods of
Watts and Crenshaw. Yeah, this is

416
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one that I have not seen in
a long time, and after watching from

417
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:01.679
Hell again, after kind of into
their filmography, it's absolutely one that I

418
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read when to rewatch now. One
of the main reasons that I want to

419
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:12.000
see it again takes us back to
an alien three conversation that you recently had.

420
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.079
Because Charles S. Dutton, I
think has a great role in Menica

421
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.320
Society. Oh, fantastic role.
I'm not mistaken. You've got the introduction

422
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:28.440
of Lorenz tape, You've got Samuel
L. Jackson, You've got Glenn Plummer,

423
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.119
a huge cast, and I think
a groundbreaking movie at the time that

424
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it came out. If I mean
everyone, everyone has seen Boys in the

425
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:44.239
Hood, and if you told me, hey, if you like Boys in

426
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.559
the Hood, here is a movie
that is much more visceral, much more

427
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:52.239
impacting, I'd say, you're out
of your mind. But Menisa Society is

428
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:58.039
that movie. I would challenge anyone
that's a fan of Boys in the Hood

429
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.320
to and I love Boys in the
Hood by the way, big John Singleton

430
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:07.760
fan. But I would challenge anyone
that hasn't seen Menaced to Society and have

431
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.119
that kind of reaction because it is
such a it's so it's such a fantastic

432
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.360
film, and you gotta remember this
is their directorial debut. That blows my

433
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:20.039
mind right there. Yeah, absolutely, like that is a that is a

434
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.159
great way to come out of the
gate swinging. Absolutely. It's also you

435
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:30.000
know, talking about some other kind
of debuts and where people started to really

436
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:35.239
kind of stand out. I'm remiss
if I don't bring up Jada Pinkett Smith

437
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.159
Jada Pikett at that point. Yeah, and she is. I mean,

438
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:43.199
listen, I'm not gonna get into
the whole, the whole Jada Pinkett Smith

439
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.679
as we know her now, but
if you want to see some some very

440
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:51.320
fine acting, she is doing it
in this film. Absolutely absolutely and one

441
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:52.840
of my one of my favorite parts
of Tales from the Kirk Demon Knight,

442
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.440
by the way. But that's let's
uh, that's that is another discussion for

443
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:04.039
another podcast. Let's Talk nineteen ninety
five, they re team with Lorenz Tate

444
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:09.119
do a movie called Dead Presidents,
great film about Black War vets post Vietnam

445
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:13.119
era. You know, they have
nothing, you know, society has not

446
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:20.719
given much opportunity. They start Robin
Banks. This one not as critically acclaimed,

447
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.960
but still a really good film.
Yeah, this is one that I

448
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:34.559
want to rediscover, just because I'm
looking at this cast and you've got Lorenz

449
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:39.679
Tate again, but you've also got
Keith David, Keith David, best presences

450
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:46.519
in the industry, voiceover acting,
you name it, Chris Tucker, Terrence

451
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:52.119
Howard, Clifton Powell stands out.
I always remember Clifton Powell in the Rock

452
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.719
Sorry, in Rock. Now we're
going to talk about another broadcast member.

453
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.000
When we talked about Bubba Hotep.
But when I see the trailer for this

454
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:08.079
one, I'm absolutely captivated by it. Nineteen ninety nine, they do their

455
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:15.079
first documentary, American Pimp, which
is all about the underground pimp culture and

456
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.199
the exploitation of women. I would
like to see this one. I have

457
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.920
not yet, though, have you? No, I'm in the same camp.

458
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.719
All right, let's look for that
one. We've been talking about two

459
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:29.559
thousand and ones from Hell. After
this they take a little bit of an

460
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.000
extended break. I think at this
point they were kind of doing some solo

461
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.800
work, hadn't really got together,
and then twenty ten they're back together.

462
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:45.840
We have The Book of Eli Scott
Denzel in a post apocalyptic drama where Gary

463
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:51.159
Oldman is the villain. M Yeah, yeah, that's that's all you have

464
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.639
to say. This is probably my
favorite Hughes Brothers movie. It happens to

465
00:38:54.679 --> 00:39:00.280
be also one of the more recent
entries that we're talking about. My God,

466
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.639
Like, when I think of From
Hell and I think of a Book

467
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.719
of Eli, it just shows how
again they have that mastery of atmosphere and

468
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:15.239
perspective. There are so many shots
in both where you can just see them

469
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.280
letting the characters kind of step into
the shadow. They're using the perspective.

470
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:25.800
It's kind of draw you in to
various scenes. I think that one's fantastic.

471
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.880
It took me by surprise your thoughts. Recently, they've announced that we're

472
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.280
going to get a Book of Eli
television show. It's like a prequel series,

473
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:42.519
okay, and John Boyega is in
the Denzel role. I think John

474
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:49.360
Boyega could do a great job in
that story. I'd be much more fascinated

475
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.559
to find out what the story is
and how far back it goes before a

476
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.679
book of eli. That's part of
what makes me a little hesitant, Like

477
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.239
are we talking about when this apocalypse
first hit or are we talking about something

478
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:08.079
that's earlier days in the apocalypse.
Yeah, I'd be interesting to see where

479
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:13.639
it goes. In that case,
would you be interested to see what's next

480
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.239
for these directors? I would tell
me about what's coming. Albert Ughes is

481
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.760
in pre production on a film called
North Hollywood. It's basically bank robbers versus

482
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:28.840
cops in the nineteen ninety seven shootout
he was like in the San Fernando Valley

483
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:36.199
yep. Meanwhile, Allen has two
biopics. First film, What's Going On,

484
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:40.400
focuses on the life of Marvin Gay, and the other is an untitled

485
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:46.960
Snoop Dogg film. Interesting, very
well, I'll tell you what I'm interested

486
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:52.960
in. Let's hypothetically, let's get
these guys back together, Scott, if

487
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.159
they were going to tackle another graphic
novel, what would you want to see

488
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.800
them adapt? So this is an
interesting question because it's making me think,

489
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.760
you know, I'm going up and
down the shelf, which honestly is filled

490
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.800
with a lot of you know books
by Alan Moore. There's a lot of

491
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.639
mainstream books up there. But the
one that I'm interested in is inspired by

492
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:21.559
one of the many comic book comic
based conversations I've had on Docking Base seventy

493
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:27.920
seven, specifically talking to John Wright
of the jw Ort Studios. But we

494
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.079
had a chance to talk about Something
is Killing the Children created by James Tynan

495
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:39.880
the fourth and We're there dellaed Era, published by Boom Studios. Their use

496
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:45.880
of atmosphere lighting perspective to step the
stage for a thrillian brutal story would add

497
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:52.000
a unique perspective to that novel.
Just to give you a quick synopsis,

498
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.840
when the children of Archer's Peak begin
to go missing, everything seems hopeless.

499
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.440
Most children ever returned, but the
ones that do have terrible stories and possible

500
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.159
stories of terrifying creatures that live in
the shadows. Their only hope of finding

501
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.519
and eliminating the threat is the arrival
of a mysterious stranger, one who believes

502
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.920
the children claim to see what they
can see. Her name is Erica Slaughter.

503
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.239
She kills monsters, that's all she
does, and she bears the cost

504
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:22.159
because it must be done. That
is an excellent choice, Scott. I

505
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:28.079
remember that episode. I remember telling
Dayton Johnson, you know, I would

506
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.639
have liked it a lot more if
I knew the source material. Two days

507
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.559
later he gives me like six books
and says, get to work, and

508
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.239
Dayton, I will return those very
very soon, I promise you. Yep.

509
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.440
All right, So Jeff, what
about you? What would you do

510
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.079
well? I know you mentioned Constantine
was one of the characters that Alan Moore

511
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:52.480
created. I loved the Constantine film, the Warner Brothers film with the Keanu

512
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.920
Reeves. Yep. I know they've
talked about obviously, with the popularity of

513
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:02.039
John Wick, they've talked about bringing
that character back. I would love to

514
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:07.079
see what the Hughes Brothers could do
with a Constantine story, something like Hard

515
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.599
Time, when Constantine kind of went
to jail and we don't know why he's

516
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.519
in jail until the you know,
they explain it later, but it almost

517
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.360
was like, you know, and
we mentioned Watchman. I love that.

518
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.760
One of my favorite scenes in Watchman
was when Rorshak was in prison and he's

519
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.480
like, I'm not in here with
you, You're all in here with me.

520
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:31.519
And Constantine goes to some really dark
places in that storyline, and I

521
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:36.360
think it'd be really cool to see
what Albert and Allen could do with that.

522
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.639
Yeah, i'd pick that up,
all right, Scott, Well your

523
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:46.800
recommendation when it comes to From Hell, I'd definitely recommend taking another look at

524
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:53.679
From Hell, and specifically, I
would say watch it as a standalone movie

525
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.079
and if you're interested enough in seeing
more about the story, then pick up

526
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.559
the book. Just treat them as
something that's that's separate. I think it's

527
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:07.920
definitely worth a rewatch. I think
it definitely holds its own as a as

528
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:14.039
a as a thriller What about You? During its opening weekend? From How

529
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:20.480
Outgrossed, Writing in Cars with Boys, The Last Castle, and Training Day,

530
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.840
Wow, I absolutely recommend seeing this
film. If you're a fan of

531
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:31.320
true crime, horror, Johnny Depp, the Jack the Ripper stories, you're

532
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:37.599
gonna love it. And I absolutely
recommend the DVD. It has a fantastic

533
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:43.840
audio commentary that features both Hughes brothers
Robbie Coltrane, as well as the screenwriter

534
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.239
and the cinematographer. Scott, Where
did you see this one? Do you

535
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.719
have a Do you have a copy
of it or did you you stream it

536
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.920
somewhere. I was lucky enough to
be able to pick up a DVD because

537
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:58.480
I reserved it at my local library. And the library is a great way

538
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.840
to pick up some of these these
movies that might be a little harder to

539
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.320
find. I know it's in a
lot of places in streaming, but you

540
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:09.639
get so much more when you're able
to pick up that physical copy. What's

541
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:15.599
that library card cost you, Scott? Not a dime? What's the rental

542
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:22.400
costume? Not a thing? And
no overdue charges if you are if you're

543
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.400
like us, if you're looking for
a movie you haven't seen a while and

544
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.199
you know it's not available, and
you're like, oh, it's not streaming

545
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:35.840
anywhere, the library wants you to
show up watch the movie on their dime.

546
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:37.440
That's fan I love. I love
when you come up with that kind

547
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.679
of stuff, Scott, because it
you know, I often forget that and

548
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.199
it just reminds me I got to
get to my local library or for sure

549
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.639
for sure? Listeners, what did
you think of the Hughes Brothers Jack the

550
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:55.239
Ripper film from Hell? Let us
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551
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.679
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552
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553
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.320
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554
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:14.280
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555
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:20.400
send you some A film by swag
Scott. Always always a fun time talking

556
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.360
movies with you. You want to
tell us a little bit about your various

557
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:29.480
film by series that are going on. Yeah, SO two in particular,

558
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.519
I just want to make sure people
know about so A film at forty five.

559
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:37.239
I'm back with David Burns to talk
about a focus on nineteen seventy nine

560
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:43.119
in Films, their forty fifth anniversary, and I'm very happy to be a

561
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.800
part of Phasers Set to Stun,
which is already well underway. I'm joined

562
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:52.119
again by David Burns and Wayne Whited
to explore every quadrant of the Star Trek

563
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.360
universe, from movies to animation and
beyond. Our next episode brings us to

564
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:59.960
season three, one of the best
and certainly most pivotal in the series,

565
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.159
if not the franchise, you're talking
about, the series Season three of Star

566
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:06.880
Trek the Next Generation. Right,
that's right, yep, all right,

567
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:13.239
awesome, and you guys and your
first film of forty five episode was like,

568
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.440
what last week you guys had a
patche Ramos. Oh, you guys

569
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.960
did The Warriors one of my favorite
movies. Oh my god, bless and

570
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:29.679
honored to start that series with such
an enormous movie and a huge part of

571
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:32.760
that movie, I've patchy. Thank
you so much for joining us listeners.

572
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:36.559
If you have a chance, do
yourself a favor and check that out.

573
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:45.639
Hell of a show, hell of
an episode. This Friday, ninety Days

574
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.719
in the Nineties, author Andy Frye
returns to the show and kicks off our

575
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:55.760
latest limited series, nineteen ninety six. We'll be discussing the cultural significance of

576
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:01.920
the nineties in the poly Shore comedy
bio Dome. And next time on a

577
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:07.519
film buy, Amber Lewis and I
will be debating investigative journalism, death row

578
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:13.280
and Nicole Kibmen's method acting when we
talk about a film by Lee Daniels,

579
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:19.400
his twenty twelve crime drama The Paperboy. Thanks for listening.