Sept. 29, 2025

Tom Holland - Thinner

Tom Holland - Thinner
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Season 6A Film By...

We're kicking off scary movie month with a Stephen King adaptation that won't leave you hungry! Jeff and David discuss Tom Holland's 1996 underrated body horror film, Thinner!

This episode features an additional 30 minutes of content that is anything but thin! Jeff and David serve up an additional 30 minutes with a Top 10 list of their favorite Stephen King film adaptations, packed with some fun facts and personal anecdotes! Listen now, exclusively on our Patreon with a FREE 7-day trial. You can also sign up as a free member! 

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There have been more than sixty film and television adaptations

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of Stephen King's work so far.

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Damn, that's a lot.

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That's a lot. I mean when you think, like when

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you when you're like, hey, yeah, I love Stephen King movies.

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I've seen all of them. I don't think I have.

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I don't think I don't think I have. And what's

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more amazing is when you realize that there's at least

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at least twenty that have yet to be adapted. M hm,

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this man has given us so much. Yes, well, it's

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October it is. Let's kick it off. Yeah, let's kick

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it off the right way. Let's talk about a film

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by Tom Holland, his nineteen ninety six underrated Stephen King

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body horror adaptation Thin Air. Hello and welcome back. I'm

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Jeff Johnson. I'm David Burns, and this is a film

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by podcast David Burns, otherwise otherwise known as a white

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Man from Town.

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I am a white man.

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Yeah, Dave. I gotta say I know that we are audio.

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We we rarely do video for our Patreon or for YouTube.

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But you, my friend, have over the last month or so,

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have gotten quite thinner. You what have you lost?

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Thirty five pounds.

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Thirty five pounds, yeah to.

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Watch to Watching this movie really made me think, Wow,

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that's scary.

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Were you were you cursed by a gypsy? That's what

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I'm saying, right you. Uh, you've been, you've been, You've

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been eating clean and uh yep. I have to wonder like,

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what if could I could I even tempt you with

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like a homemade gypsy strawberry pie? Would you? Would you

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go for something like that right about now?

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Hell? No, never seeing this movie, I want nothing to.

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Do with that. Oh man, No, man, you are you

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are looking fit without a gypsy curse. So congratulations to you.

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Thank you.

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Let's talk about Tom Holland and uh yeah, listeners know,

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not not our friendly neighborhood, not our friendly neighborhood spider

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Man who's currently filming Spider Man brand New Day. No,

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this is Tom Holland, the actor slash director. Uh famous

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director for his his whole work, Dave. Let's talk how

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about a couple of facts. Yeah, what's in trivia about

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this Tom Holland? This one made me happy. He got

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his start in the nineteen seventies directing toy commercials for

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has Bro.

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Oh man, that's like right up our alley.

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Right up our alley. You have to wonder, like, how

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close were we to getting a Tom Holland directed G

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I Joe toy commercial? Because those were Let's be honest,

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was those were fun?

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They were Can we have a Tom Tom Holland figure

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and for G I Joe? How often would that be?

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I'm I'm ready for that. Let's let's definitely let do it.

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Has Bro get on it now. Listen when you when

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you talk about this Tom Holland, his name is synonymous

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with the horror genre, right. Oh yeah, whether he's writing

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or directing. This made me happy.

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Though.

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Did you know that he wrote the screenplay for nineteen

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eighty four's Cloak and Dagger.

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I didn't, we did, Okay, I didn't know.

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Yeah, you know stuff. I didn't realize that. I didn't

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realize that. I absolutely I love that film. I do too, Yeah,

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Dadney Coleman, Henry Thom, that movie was fantastic.

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I love it.

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Here's something concerning for you, though. During production of Thinner,

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he suffered from Bell's palsy. And this is listeners. If

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you don't know Bell's palsy, this will this Basically, this

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paralyzes one side of your face now, Dave. The effects

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could have been minimized if he had just left the set,

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went straight to the hospital and got a steroid shot immediately.

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I'm assuming that didn't happen.

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That didn't happen because producers insisted Slash threatened that he

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stay on set and continue working. So his treatment was

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delayed thirty six hours, and because of that, it took

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him over a year to fully recover.

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Wow, worse, Oh shad for this that I think they

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kind of should have stepped in and said, Hey, this

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guy's got to go to the hospital. Man, what do

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you doing it? Yeah?

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This is you gotta remember this is this is nineteen

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ninety six. You're not getting away with this kind of

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stuff nowadays.

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But no way, I.

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Will say this though, by all accounts he's he's doing

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just fine. I know we like to offer a quote

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from the director at this point, but I'm not going

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to do that. I would rather hear about your interaction

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because you met Tom Holland and did last year we

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were at Scarefest, which might be the greatest horror show

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on Earth. Oh wait, you know when it comes to conventions,

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love Love the Love scare Fest, me too. I can't

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wait to get there, not a couple of weeks. But

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you met him, right, can you? Can you share that story?

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I know, I know we typically do this for con

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Men episodes, but come on, it's it's Tom Holland. It's

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a Tom Holland episode. You gotta you gotta tell us.

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So it was one of those situations where he was

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there and you know, I I, Jeff, it's been a

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fortune and autograph that weekend. You know that I really

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are with you. And I had already gotten an autograph

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on my child's play poster and he was there and

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I wasn't really going to do it, but I said,

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you know what, the last second, like, I'm going to

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go up meet Tom Holland and get his autograph on

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my child's play poster. So I did. The guy was

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so nice, very sincere, very welcoming to talk about, you know,

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child's play a little bit. I don't remember exactly what

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he said, but I do remember just how wonderful he

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was with me and the guy that was in front

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of me. The funny thing is is when he went

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to sign he first off, he wanted to know what

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color I wanted, and his handler said, let's go with

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blood Red. I said, yes, let's do that. Blood Red

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is perfect. And Tom went down to sign it and

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he completely signed it and stopped for a minute. He goes, oh,

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let me fix this. His a tea in his Tom

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wasn't like, didn't look good, so he made sure he

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went back over it to correct it.

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Great guy though, yeah, he I mean every time we

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walked by him, he was all smiles, really engaging with

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with his fans. I remember that because we had just

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been We've just been hanging out with Don Costcorelli talking phantasm,

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and you were all excited about, you know, this Child's

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play stuff. I was like, Tom Holland's right there, obviously

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you have to talk to Tom Holland. You're like, I'm

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doing Yeah, of course I'm going to talk about Tom Hank.

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Tom Hank, great guy though, absolutely great. I hope I

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hope we see him in another another con in the

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near future. I'd love to talk to him.

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Yep.

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I love talking him about Cloak Dagger. Now now that

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I know that, absolutely everyone'll be like Chucky and Child's

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Play with him, and I'll be like, hey, can you

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let's talk Cloak and Dagger. So Dave, like we said,

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over sixty Stephen King film television miniseries, adaptations exist. It's

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a good chance maybe some listeners have not seen Thinner,

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or maybe they saw it in ninety six. It's almost

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thirty years old. Now maybe they saw it. They're not,

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They're they're late. They they were fresher. Can you tell

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us briefly what Thinner is all about?

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There is no such thing as a gyp He's curse,

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or is there. An overweight lawyer by the name of

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Billy Halleck finds himself at the end of a curse

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by a Gypsy man for hitting and killing his daughter

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with a vehicle. He now finds himself getting thinner and thinner.

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No matter what he does. It is a race against

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the clock for him to find a way to change

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the course of this curse before it is too late.

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In a classic film based off the book of the

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same name by the master himself, Stephen King, is.

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It any surprise to you that Tom Holland is hired

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based off the fact that Stephen King loves his work

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Child's Play especially, I could see I could see Child's

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Play being something like Stephen King would have written. You know,

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I was like hearing him like when you've when you've

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got one master of horror, like, what what does Stephen King?

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Like?

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What's what scares him? You know?

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Right?

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So I I think that's fantastic when you hear like,

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oh you what the guy that did Child's But yeah,

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get that guy?

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And how would that make you feel as the director too?

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To be chosen by Stephen King?

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Gosh, I have to I have to feel any any writer,

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any director who's gonna adapt his work if you get

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if you get his seal of approval, you've got to

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be on cloud nine. Absolutely, unless he hates your work

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and you're Stanley Kubrick and you just don't give a

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shit because you're Stanley Kubrick, you know.

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Although Stephen King has to kind of change his tune

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a little bit about that, but still regardless.

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Yeah, yeah, but there's I mean, there's been so many great,

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great films that don't well, I definitely want to talk

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about this very eclectic cast. But before we do that,

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let's take a quick break. Welcome back. We are talking

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about Stephen King's Thinner, directed by Tom Holland Robert John

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Burke in the lead role as Billy Hallick. I gotta

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tell you his voice is so familiar to me, and

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I could not figure out where I knew it from

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because I don't recognize him. What's your what's your relationship

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with this guy?

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Like?

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Where are you know him from?

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Thinner? Well, when I think of him, this is this

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is the movie I immediately go to.

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To be honest with you, sounds like our research on

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Robert John Burke is thin.

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It is Thinner.

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You're right, Uh, let's let's talk about this role. Though

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he he's not the first choice. Now, I don't know

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if you know this. Dave Stephen King wanted none other

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than John Candy to play the role. Interesting, Yeah, now

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keep in mind this is a year before John Candy

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passes away.

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M hm.

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Which, by the way, have you seen the trailer? Not

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to get off topic, but have you seen the trailer for.

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I, like me, cannot tears are gonna be flowing? You

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know it?

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We should cover that. I think it comes out what

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January on Prime something like that. I could be wrong,

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but yeah, here's my question. I get that you want

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John Candy to to for this role, but given the

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given what the film's about, Like, how do you expect

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John Candy to play Billy Halleck? When he's one hundred

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and twenty pounds. This is nineteen ninety six, so we don't.

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I mean, I get like, today they can do anything

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with the CGI, it's it's unlimited. But in nineteen ninety six,

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we didn't have I mean, it was good, it wasn't

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it wasn't.

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Nowhere is that good?

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So I'm kind of wondering, like what were they thinking,

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Like were they going to have like another actor playing

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and like Candy just do the voiceover or.

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I don't know, it's interesting that that would be the choice.

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I mean, I love John Candy, don't get me wrong, absolutely,

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but in the role of I mean, he could pull

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it off at the beginning, but you're right when he

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gets down to one hundred and twenty pounds, which is

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even thinner than me, it's just crazy. But I don't

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know how they could pull it off without John Candy

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actually losing weight. But that's a lot of weight to lose.

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Listen, this is a it's a bit of a troubled production.

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It goes through several years. I think I think it

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took eight years for Holland to get this one completed.

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So I could understand if we were good, maybe if

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we're gonna do like a castaway thing like with Tom Hanks,

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where you film Candy and then you take a break,

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let him lose some weight, and then you film Candy.

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And I don't know that that's the case. That's I

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don't know that that was their their plan or their thought,

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but damn I wish they would have done something like that,

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or they could have they could have gotten to commit

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because you never know, that might have that might have

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helped prolong his life, that might have helped save his life.

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Yeah, absolutely could have made a difference in his life

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for sure.

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Well Candy, Candy turns down this role. They go to

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Michael Douglas. Yeah, that would have been fun. Yeah, like

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a heavy set Michael Douglas at the beginning of this movie.

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I I could have had fun with that. Especially this

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is ninety six, so he's right at the peak of

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playing the sexy guy, the sex civil You know, he's

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a couple of years past basic Againstigue. I think, is

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this the same year he does an American President or a

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year before. I know Amber Lewis and I covered the

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American President. Yeah, he's this is like his Silver Fox era.

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He could have done it. That would have been He

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would have been cool, but he turns it down to

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Who didn't turn it down was Robert John Burke, who

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had to lose some weight. He willingly lost twenty pounds

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to play the role, which means David, he was not

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as committed as you since you've lost thirty five out there.

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He Yeah, he got himself down at one hundred and

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sixty pounds though.

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So I do want to say the makeup for that,

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the special effects they did for him was incredible, Okay,

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I mean he never looked fair when he they had

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the heavy outfit on him at all, and you see him,

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you know not I don't want to see all of

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them in the shower for carrying out loud, but you

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see some of his body and it never looked fake

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at all.

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Yeah, it's this is incredible makeup because, uh, you know,

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just do a little bit of homework on the movie.

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They actually used like a full body suit with with

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silicone uh pieces for like the chest area, so that

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he had that that flabby, that jiggly movement. It's amazing,

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you know, I think it's amazing by today's standards. Honestly.

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Oh yeah, even when he got down to so thin,

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I mean that looked incredible too. I mean it was

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like yuck and I mean to go from one end

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to the other end, one end of the spectrum to

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the other end of the spectrum, that was just incredible

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work for the special effects team. In the makeup.

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Yeah, he's he's at when when we see him at

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his thinnest, he's in real life he's weighing one hundred

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and sixty pounds, but he looks so gaunt and yeah, sunken.

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And some of it's just easy tricks, like putting larger

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clothes on him and then of course, you know, sensing

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the belt too tight, and but just the makeup on

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his face, he looks so emaciated. Yeah, I mean he's

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he's like Christian Bale and the Machinist, Yeah, except that

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he's not so Yeah, four to six hours every day

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in that makeup chair to pull that.

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Off, me go to do that. Yeah, that's a lot

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of time. It is.

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Uh, Joe man Tanna as Richie the Hammer Janelli is

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what's what's up with Joe? Did didn't he play on

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the Simpsons? He wasn't he like fat Tony or something?

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He was like it's funny as soon as I hear

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his voice, I'm like, oh, Simpsons, It's like, I rate

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that every single time.

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It's so tough. It's so tough to hear anything. Listen, Uh,

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I gotta, I gotta shout out our our nineteen eight

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are limited nineteen eighty six series, as you Were called,

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Dave you and I you were. You were the first

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person to do an ninety six episode with me. We

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did the money Pit. So I always think of fat Tony,

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but I also think of art shirt. I'm the carpenter.

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I'm just thought she was good looking wool. I'm talking

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about a Shelley Long hitting on her.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, this guy, I love him. Every time he turns up.

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He's he's got like a reputation for playing a mob

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boss or a mob you know he was an artist, Yeah,

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for obvious reasons. But I dig the fact that he

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he gets this, he gets the role. He goes straight

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to the novel, doesn't read it. I mean he reads it,

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but he studies it. He studies the source novel so

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that he can understand the Hammer's motivations. Because, let's be honest,

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the richie, the Hammer kind of like a guy you'd

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want to hang out with.

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Him.

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You know, he's he's having fun at the club. He's

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he's the ladies guy, but he also has your back, Like,

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is there if you got to have a mob guy

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in your back pocket, you want the Hammer?

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I would think absolutely, yeah, without question. When he came,

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when he showed up and he came basically to the

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rescue to defend Billy, I'm like, this is the guy

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that you want to watch your back without question.

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Yeah. Everyone's like I can't believe he took the case

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of that that that mob guy, you know, because he

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gets him off, Like what is he He's like in

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the in the trial, he's like there's like death threats

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and but he, you know, Billy is able to to

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win the case. And then yeah, the Hammer's like, hey,

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I owe your your firm like shitload of money, but

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I owe you my life, So you need me. I'm there.

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And it's cool because I I think I think Richie

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might be one of my favorite characters in the movie

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just because he's the boss. He could have sent any

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one of his soldiers to go save Billy or help Billy,

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but he's personally invested in taking care of this guy.

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And I dig that the best was him showing up

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as the FBI agent. Oh, it's so good, so good,

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and it gets him that he gets her to go

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with him and he shows I'm looking, this is the

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guy and it's his picture.

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Yes, I am so scared for uh carry whirr in

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that moment because you don't know what the Hammer is

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gonna do. He's not called the Hammer because he's a

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nice guy.

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Right, he's not a carpenter.

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No, he's not not in this movie.

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It was this movie.

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He's looking at Cary Woarre. I just thought she was

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good looking. Wool You know, I'll tell you who's not

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good looking in this film. Michael Constantine is playing the limky,

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the old the old man who the gypsy that has

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the curse? Why Dave? Why? Why is it that for

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twenty or twenty five years, I've always assumed that Paul

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Sorvino played this part. I had, I had that, I

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had believed that. I was like because I was I

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used to. I was thinking, like, why Servina doing such

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a small role.

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And a creepy one.

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Well, let's be honest, like you can see where I

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would make that mistake. He I do real Paul Servina

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look happy?

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Yeah, yeah, and he wasn't that old when he took

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on this role too. No, which is really strange.

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You made makeup? Yeah? Yeah, Constantine. Uh, I mean I

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know where I know Paul Servino from. You got any

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background on Constantine? Have you seen him anything that other

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than Dinner that you like? No, he's a character actor.

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I know that. I know. I've seen him in other things.

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Yeah, I think I've got it, you do.

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I've always I only seen it once. Uh my, big, my,

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big fat Greek wedding. He was the dad. Did you

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ever see those movies?

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I've never seen those movies, so I can't say.

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Yeah, I know I know him for something else. I

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think it might be like in his younger days. I

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think he was in The Hustler or maybe Cool Hand Luke.

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I know it was a Paul Newman movie. I just

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don't know which one.

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So con Luke sounds right, But I could be wrong.

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Could could he have been one of the He's He

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was either in the pool hall in The Hustler or

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he was in the bunk house in Cool Handler. Yeah,

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all right, more on that later. This is not the

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this is not the Michael Constantine episode.

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No, it's not.

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Can we talk about Limky's great granddaughter, the lovely Carrie

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Warr playing Gina Romani.

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Beautiful Gina. Absolutely we can.

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She is a wild thing in this movie and a

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little scary.

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She a little scary, Jeff, how about very scary?

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Okay, very scary? Well, I would say she is as

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scary as she is sexy.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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I just I like her, But I like her a

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lot less when she's got a slingshot with ball bearings

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in her hands.

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Yeah, no, thank you. I like the playful part that

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she did with the quarter. You know, I loved all

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of that. But let's leave the slingshot somewhere else, Okay,

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I want nothing to do with that.

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I have to imagine in the mid to late nineties

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a lot of VHS tapes having some tracking issues around

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that moment, as thirteen year olds everywhere are renting Thinner.

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I had the biggest crush on her back then. You know,

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you remember her. She was on a remote control that

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MTV game show YEP with Adam Sandler before he was

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Adam Sandler.

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Yeah, I remember being in with it Ana Conda and

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like a freaks. I believe I remember correctly.

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Higher Learning. She played Swanson's friend. Well, she was her

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friend until you know she you know, Christy Swanson went

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and you know, went a different path and you know,

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met other people and all that kind of stuff. You know,

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she was like a sorority sister who didn't really care

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about stuff. Yeah, she is awesome in this I don't

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care what anyone says, like, very believable in the role too.

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I have to I have to say, yeah, I gotta now,

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have you read Thinner? Did you read the novel? The novella? Not? No,

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So I will say this for anyone that's wanting to

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read the novel. Uh, you know, the Hammer comes after

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and I know we'll, I know, we'll talk about that

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scene here when we talk about some noteworthy scenes. But

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all I'll say is this, the hammer gets gets a little,

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a little come up and from Gina. They just never

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filmed it. So I'll tell you. I'll tell you have

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to break, you know, next break and you don't want

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to spoil it. Good, She's awesome, got a got a

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fun cameo in this one. You Yeah, nine times out

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of ten, if you're doing a Stephen King adaptation, chances

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are you're gonna get Stephen King to do a cameo.

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Of course you you want to talk about this one.

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It's uh where he plays the pharmacist in this which

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is absolutely hysterical. One thing that I want to point

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out that I kind of giggled. I didn't catch this

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when I watched it years ago. But when he's in

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the court taking uh you know, being a witness for

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the accident that happened. Yeah, I was laughing because I

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was thinking, hey, look it's Stephen King on the stand.

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Well then did you catch his name? The pharmacists name?

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What was his name?

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He's playing doctor Banger and let's not forget that he's

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from bangor yes, yeah, yeah, I love see he I like.

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I love the fact that he goes out of his

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way to play like the goofiest, nerdiest guy. Most like

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that Trucker and creep Show too. What happened the guy

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got creamed, That's what happens.

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He is. It reminds me of Alfred Hitchcock. Alfred Hitchcock

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always put himself in his films no matter what, and

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I love when Stephen King does it because you're right,

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he plays the quirkiest stuff and it's just hysterical.

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Director cameos are always fun because I think on one side,

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you've got the hitchcock in the John Carpenter style cameos

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where they are just in the background or they're walking

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by and it's a blit you have to find them right.

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And then you've got the cameos like like Shyamalan or QT. Tarantino,

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where they're like they're most minor characters, they're giving themselves dialogue.

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And then right there in the middle, like Stephen King

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is the is the the line where he's in it

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very minimally, but also he's going to have a goofy

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few lines. So I always look forward to Stephen King

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and his stuff. You know, we were talking about the

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makeup effects for Robert John Burke and the well, let's

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be honest, like the old man Limkey with the not

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only is he like one hundred and forty or something

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and just you know he's got that rotting thing on

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his face that he goes to see the pharmacists for.

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All this is thanks to the talented work of one

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Greg Cannem Dave. You and I are horror aficionados, we are,

472
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.839
and I am I'm a little embarrassed not to know

473
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:12.000
his name right off the top, you know when when mentioned.

474
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:13.920
Yeah, because I don't recognize the name, and I'm probably

475
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:14.960
gonna be embarrassed too.

476
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.359
Oh you will be, so I will say this. Let

477
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.400
me let me begin by saying sadly, he passed away

478
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:26.279
earlier this year May third, twenty five, seventy three years old.

479
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.480
But I am happy to say that. He was honored

480
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.200
with the Academy Award for Technical Achievement in two thousand

481
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:37.000
and five. He also won the Academy Award for Best

482
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:42.319
Makeup for Bram Stokers Dracula in nineteen Old Game and

483
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:46.839
Missus Doubtfire in nineteen ninety four. Wow, now hold on

484
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.640
to your hold onto your hat here, Dave. He was

485
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:58.039
also nominated for the Best Makeup Oscar for Hook Hafa Roommates,

486
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:04.680
Titanic by Centennial Man, A Beautiful Mind, The Curious Case

487
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:08.599
of Benjamin Button, and Vice. Wow.

488
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:10.839
That's an impressive catalog of films.

489
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:15.039
Yes, now, and just because this guy is so incredible.

490
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.200
Stuff he wasn't nominated for, but is going to blow

491
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.279
your mind when I tell you, this is the guy

492
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.920
that was working on these movies or was behind the

493
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:26.920
you know the effects, He was driving this stuff The Howling,

494
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:35.599
Michael Jackson's thriller Dreamscape, Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories, Nightmare on

495
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:40.759
Um Street Three, Dream Warriors, The Lost Boys, Dick Tracy,

496
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:48.359
The Mask, Batman Returns Blade, and Dave Star Trek six,

497
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:53.039
The Undiscovered Country. Why because it all comes back to Treck.

498
00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:54.920
It all comes back to Trek. That's right.

499
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:02.519
I'll move on, but just know this. I only gave

500
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:08.759
you a handful of his incredible work. I'm leaving out

501
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:10.839
about another twenty or thirty that are just like what

502
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:11.920
he did.

503
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.160
That Wow. Yeah, I'm embarrassed not to know that name,

504
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.920
but I'll know it now. Yeah.

505
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:22.279
You have to little background about this movie. So it's

506
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.279
initially set up at Warner Brothers in nineteen eighty eight. However,

507
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.720
in nineteen eighty six, which Dave, I think we know

508
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.480
is the best cinematic year of the eighties.

509
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:35.240
That year.

510
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.759
Yeah, in nineka six, after finishing Maximum Overdrive, which is

511
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:46.000
another Stephen King adaptation, Uber producer Dino di Laurentez wanted

512
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.880
to make Thinner on the condition that he make it

513
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.599
with Sam Raimi. Oh that would have been great, honest,

514
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.680
that's what it host. Yeah, And when you think of

515
00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:00.000
Sam Raimi and Horror and Gypsy Curses. We did eventually

516
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.400
get that movie. We got Dragged Me to Help. Yeah, yeah,

517
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.200
which is awesome. We should cover that next year, maybe

518
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:09.279
that Uh. Unfortunately, Raymie was a little busy working on

519
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:13.319
Evil Dead two, Dead by Dawn, So Dila Rene says,

520
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:16.160
that's fine, I'll just I'll produce that one instead. He

521
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.559
basically just wants to give money to Sam Raymid Whether

522
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.799
it's Thinner or Evil Dead two, He's He's happy either way. Now,

523
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.279
I told you earlier that we this movie went through

524
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:32.119
some serious delays. A lot of that's because of now.

525
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.400
A lot of that is because of studio interference, big shock,

526
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:44.000
of course, shocker, budget concerns, creative differences. We love that term,

527
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.599
don't we Yes, concerns about the makeup effects. Back then,

528
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:50.319
they were wondering like, can you can this look real?

529
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.319
Can you realistically pull it off and make this guy

530
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.640
look like he's you know, three seventy five down to

531
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.640
one twenty? You know? Is it going to work?

532
00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:58.720
It worked?

533
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.839
Yeah, it did. Here's something that really blew my mind.

534
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.720
I saw this. I got several sources pointing this out.

535
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.720
They put it on hold. A couple of times because

536
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.359
the studio was afraid that the main character's rapid weight

537
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.000
loss would be compared to the ongoing AIDS epidemic.

538
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.920
Mm. At the time, that makes sense.

539
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.319
I guess it makes sense, but I mean it's still

540
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.359
it's a little bit of a stretch. I would think. Yeah, Now,

541
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.839
here's the good thing about some of these delays. Once

542
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.799
the production went into turnaround and it's it's changing hands

543
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.359
from Warner Brothers to Paramount mm hmm. This gay producer

544
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:39.160
Richard Rubinstein, Tom Holland and Stephen King, who at this

545
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.119
point are getting along famously. They run off and make

546
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.640
the Langeleiers mini series, which I never saw that. Did

547
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:46.359
you ever see that one?

548
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.480
Yeah, it's been a while. It was, okay, I remember

549
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:50.799
being very impressed by it. Though.

550
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.480
Is that the one about the aliens? Or am I

551
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.240
thinking about the Tommy Knockers.

552
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.680
Or Tommy Knockers or things? I think? Isn't that the

553
00:29:56.680 --> 00:29:57.480
one with the cat?

554
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.400
Yeah? The jet? Yeah? Okay, so yeah, we got to

555
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.400
put that on the list of the other with the

556
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.240
other sixty that we.

557
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.319
I think isn't Bronton Pinchow and the lang Leaders too.

558
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.519
I think I think he is. Yeah, I love Bronson,

559
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:17.279
Sis yeah, or Balkis from Perfect Shrinkers.

560
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.839
Oh that's right, Balkie Bartacamas Yep. Much to Hollin's dislike,

561
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.400
the film's ending, which at the time was faithful to

562
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:31.920
uh Stephen King's book, was changed because test audiences weren't happy.

563
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.359
I don't know, how do you feel about Can we

564
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.480
just quick, quickly? Can we just talk about test audiences? Like?

565
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.559
And I ask you because look, we're both writers. You

566
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.119
are a very incredible director, so we know what goes

567
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.559
into We know what kind of work gives into a

568
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.400
film project. We know kind of passion goes into it.

569
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.759
You filmed something, Dave, and then the studio comes back

570
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.880
and says, yeah, we tested it in several markets and

571
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.119
everyone hates this scene or they hate this ending, so

572
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.359
we're going to change it. How do you feel about that?

573
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.759
It bugs the hell out of me, because I'm sorry,

574
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.839
this should be the director's vision. It really should. And

575
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.680
if you're going back and changing the ending because an

576
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:12.119
audience doesn't like it or a test audience doesn't like it,

577
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.680
you're you're basically telling the director, well, your vision isn't

578
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.559
good enough, so we're going to we care more about

579
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.440
the money, which we all know that's what it boils

580
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.400
down to in the end anyway, So we're going to

581
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.440
change it. You got to change it. And to me,

582
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:26.960
that really bothers me. And that's why I like the

583
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.960
independent word a whole lot better than the big studios

584
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:32.839
like A twenty four. They're fantastic with allowing the dropt

585
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:33.640
to what they want to do.

586
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:38.119
I love A twenty four. Yep, before we talk about scenes,

587
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.799
I got one more. I'll call this a fun fact

588
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.039
Joe Mantanna. Yeah, if you don't have time to sit

589
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.119
down and read, or you just prefer the uh, the

590
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:55.799
convenience of audiobooks. The audiobook for Thinner is narrated by

591
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:56.519
Joe Mantanna.

592
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.079
That's awesome. I did not know that.

593
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:05.319
Yeah, down with three or something. Yeah, it's it's well,

594
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:09.400
it's it's considered a novella, so it's it's definitely short.

595
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.799
But I would imagine you could listen to it probably

596
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:12.559
like in a day.

597
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.039
Yeah, but I like that though. You're right, let's let's

598
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:16.960
sit down and listen to Tony tell us the story.

599
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:23.480
Yeah, absolutely love it, Dave. Let's talk about a couple

600
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.440
of scenes here. Is there either we talked about. I

601
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.240
don't know how how detail we should get about the

602
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.240
quarter scene with Karrie Warr, but.

603
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.799
Well, one of the things I love about this movie

604
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.119
is I like when you get some character depth, because

605
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.079
I mean, let's let's be honest. I mean, we've had

606
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.599
some movies where the characters feel very card bootish and

607
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.799
you don't care about them. What I like about this

608
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:47.720
one is the relationship between the daughter and the father,

609
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.119
and I like the little playfulness they have at the beginning.

610
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.279
Remember when he's getting ready to go to court, yep,

611
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.079
and you get them they're both talking about mobster, talking

612
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:56.440
like mobsters.

613
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:57.599
You know, like that was so much fun.

614
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.079
I really loved that scene because it really help develop

615
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.119
what's going to happen towards the end of the film.

616
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.680
And you know, Billy obviously has a thing about his

617
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.519
wife because you know what's going on with her and

618
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.599
the doctor, and you know, he's very becomes very venomous

619
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:17.960
about that and wants to get revenge on that. But

620
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.400
I love the fact that the daughter never gets in

621
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.119
the way that he cares about that doubt he loves

622
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:26.039
her very very much. So I like that character development there.

623
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.240
I think at its core, This is a movie about family.

624
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.319
It is because on one side you've got Billy and

625
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.400
you know, he does a terrible thing. It's an accident.

626
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.440
He doesn't mean to hit the gypsy lady, but he

627
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:41.359
does go along.

628
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.039
With the cover up he does, unfortunately, and.

629
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.160
There's a lot of family dynamic playing on his side.

630
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.480
You know, his wife is concerned about his health and

631
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.359
his weight. He has that playful banter with the daughter,

632
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.759
which I love that, you know, where it's like, you know,

633
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.000
you know she's definitely she's a daddy's girl, right, oh yeah.

634
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:03.680
But on the opposite side where you have the Ramani's,

635
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.599
you know that come to town, very very tight knit family,

636
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.840
very protective of one another, very loving towards one another.

637
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.000
So what it comes down to is it's a it's

638
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.639
a fight between families. And it's hard to see who

639
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.519
is who is the villain in this film throughout most

640
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:23.719
of it.

641
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.840
If you ask me, it does it gets it gets

642
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.159
tangled up. You don't know who to care for in

643
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.559
this film, because I mean, they're both being bad, they're

644
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.639
both being good, and you see why they're doing what

645
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.599
they're doing. But in the end you're like, I don't

646
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.639
know how to feel about this, So I agree with you.

647
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.920
Yeah, I love the fact that the Gypsies are they're

648
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.679
a little supernatural. Obviously, we you know, we're talking about

649
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:48.159
a curse. You know, the Old Man puts a curse

650
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:51.000
on several people in this movie. But I also like

651
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.800
that there's there's other things and again getting you know,

652
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:59.480
bringing this back to the quarter scene. You know, Billy

653
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.320
is in and on the top floor of this office

654
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.920
building with his boss. You know, he's just won the case.

655
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.800
They're looking out the window because the Gypsy's have kind

656
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.000
of set up like a fun little festival, and they're

657
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.639
looking at at Cary War and you know, his boss

658
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.440
is like, you check her out. You know, he makes

659
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.239
some very lude comments about offering her a quarter, and

660
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.199
Billy is like, and she kind of like they're looking

661
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.440
down at Cary's character kind of looks up with a

662
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.000
with a with a she gives them a look, let's

663
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:29.360
be host.

664
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.000
And this is a long distance. There's no way she

665
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:32.480
can hear ye, no ways.

666
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:34.480
No way she can hear them. They're they're like several

667
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.679
floors up there in the office building. She's across the street,

668
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:39.960
and uh, you know, Billy's like careful. I think she

669
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.840
might have heard you, like, just playfully. But then he

670
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.679
goes outside and you know, she smiles and he smiles back,

671
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.960
and then she pulls that quarter out. Yeah, and then

672
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.679
you're like, and don't get me wrong, what she does

673
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:56.039
is very uh hello, but it's also a little scary.

674
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:00.000
It's a little creepy because clearly she did in fact here.

675
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.480
Yeah, all right, there's some magic going on there for sure.

676
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:05.639
Yeah, a little little little supernatural magic there.

677
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.960
Yep. So I know there's a lot of things that

678
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:10.519
that we would love to talk about, but we can't

679
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.800
be here forever. But what about the scene when Richie

680
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:18.400
takes her hostage and that where was a barn or

681
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:19.199
a barn?

682
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.159
But yeah, but can we talk about how he does it?

683
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:24.639
How he how he pulls it off? Because like he

684
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:27.840
Mobster walks. You know, Mobster shows up to the gypsy camp.

685
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:29.760
She's not just gonna go with.

686
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.880
Him, right, you know, shows up as an FBI agent.

687
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.719
He's under cover, Yeah, as an FBI agent. This guy's

688
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:37.960
he's insane, man.

689
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.320
He is. Because he tells her that he they have

690
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.960
who's responsible, and uh, he needs her to come to

691
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:48.119
identify the the individual. So that's obviously how he tricks

692
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.360
her to go uh. And then it leads into the barn.

693
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.639
Well again it's it's blurred lines because there's an attack,

694
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:57.960
you know. Uh, Billy goes to see him saying, you know,

695
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.320
he's he's basically saying, you need to take the curse

696
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.039
off me or bad thing. You know, bad things are

697
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:05.039
going to happen, and they're like white man from down

698
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.800
you know. And yeah, he pleads for him, but they're

699
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:09.320
mocking him.

700
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:09.880
Yep.

701
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.559
And then Richie the Hammer shows up opens fire on

702
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:16.239
these people, but he tricks them into thinking, you know,

703
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.079
because he's got her husband like, he's got him tied up,

704
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.360
and then he sends him out into the field. Richie

705
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:23.039
doesn't kill.

706
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.960
Him, No, they kill you. Yeah.

707
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.719
So again it's the lines between who's responsible for what

708
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.280
are very blurred in this movie, you know. But again

709
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.119
the Gypsies obviously they say it like, you know, Richie

710
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.079
killed her husband and he must must pay for it.

711
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.039
But him showing up as the FBI agent is fantastic.

712
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:43.760
I agree, Yeah, loved it.

713
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.840
Yeah, And again, how how is she not you know,

714
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.840
he he has a badge, he has credentials. Why wouldn't

715
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:50.920
she get in the car with him.

716
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.719
Right, and then he then he goes and then he

717
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.639
goes to the little level of showing the photo of

718
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:56.880
him of himself.

719
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.840
Yeah, we've identified the man who killed your husband. And

720
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.239
and he holds up a photo of himself and she's,

721
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:06.559
you know she But here's what I love about her.

722
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:10.079
She's a hell cat. You know, she's Oh, she goes

723
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.079
straight on the attack. It gets physical. I'm happy to

724
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.440
see that she holds her own, you know. She she

725
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:17.480
leaves some marks.

726
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:17.639
On the guy.

727
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:23.039
But how scary is it when he's got that acid

728
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:26.199
that that that glass jar of acid and he just

729
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.400
carefully balances it on her head and tells her not

730
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:29.760
to move.

731
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:32.039
Well, first he threw it on her, but it wasn't

732
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:32.519
the real way.

733
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.440
Well, yeah, he throws it. He's like, I got acid

734
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.000
and he throws it and it's just water. But then

735
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.639
he pulls out the other one. He goes, this one's

736
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.320
the real one. And then you're like yeah, and then

737
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.400
he hits her like her her sweater and it you know,

738
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.800
but that's just a that's a terrifying moment for her,

739
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:50.239
for for you watching it. I was just sitting there like, oh,

740
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.800
don't move, don't like, how are you gonna get away?

741
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:57.039
Right? I don't know. I would say, like how we

742
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.880
talk about Ritchie and how you know he takes care

743
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:02.000
of those who take care of him. Remember when he

744
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.280
when he hired the individual to watch for him, the

745
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.119
young guy in the car. Yeah, uh huh, you know,

746
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.639
and even though he really he didn't know him, he

747
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:12.360
hired him to him, Hey, call me, uh what make

748
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.320
the move? And then the guy calls him and says

749
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.519
that I think they're onto me, and of course they

750
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.719
killed him. They take the car in front of him.

751
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.519
Yeah they are. But I mean you can see how

752
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:24.480
that just sends Richie over the edge even more than

753
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.760
he already is well because personal for him exactly, because

754
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:29.079
now someone him.

755
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:34.000
Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what. You know, we we

756
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.440
could keep talking scenes, but we talked. We just we

757
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.679
just rehashed the entire movie. This is a very lean,

758
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:41.719
mean eighty.

759
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.159
Nine minutes it is.

760
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.400
I mean, there's no fin thin movie, no fat.

761
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:48.559
There's no fat on this one at all. They did

762
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.199
a really good job about that. They kept the pacing

763
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:51.440
going extremely well.

764
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.559
I think so, I think so, h you know, I'm

765
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:55.880
having a lot of fun with it. I'll tell you

766
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:56.800
that right now.

767
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.800
So, what do you think is the moment in this film?

768
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:03.880
If the pivotal moment for me, pivot old moment, what

769
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.800
do you think is is it for you? I'm curious

770
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.119
up here.

771
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.320
I'm gonna say, and we kind of touched upon it.

772
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.400
But for me, I kind of feel like it's it

773
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:18.280
might be when he goes from pleading please I apologize,

774
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:22.920
take the curse off, to turning that that that evil

775
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.800
he makes that evil turn when he becomes white man

776
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.480
from town and and then tells him that all of

777
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.760
them are in trouble. Now, I don't know, I think that,

778
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.559
you know, because you gotta wonder what happens if the

779
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.519
gypsy the old man just says that's all he wanted

780
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.400
was the apology, the admission. Yeah, and he takes it off.

781
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:45.360
You know everyone at this point, everybody lives, everybody is happy.

782
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.400
You know, did they judge that yet right now that

783
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.400
he's in his dream remember and had his dream yeah

784
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:54.519
getting killed?

785
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:56.880
Yeah, he got killed in the was it like the

786
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:58.440
oncoming the head on collision or whatever?

787
00:40:58.559 --> 00:40:59.559
Yeah?

788
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.280
Yeah, well okay, so not everyone's haply the chief of

789
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.559
police and the judge, who are complicit. You know, yeah,

790
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.000
but they were, they were. They deserve punishment, Let's be honest.

791
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.880
So can I give a Hoffmann answer? Go ahead, But

792
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.800
they kind of go hand in hand, okay. So one

793
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:19.559
of the pivot on ones that I feel is when

794
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.159
he goes to visit Hoply okay, and you know, Hopley's like,

795
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:25.000
you got to go get get this curse off of them.

796
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.440
Take the gun. Take the gun. Oh you leging at him,

797
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.559
and he doesn't want to take the gun because he said, look,

798
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:31.360
I'm gonna go talk to them, see if I can

799
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:33.960
get this curse off of us. And Hopley's like, you'd

800
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.079
think he's gonna sit there and listen to you. You

801
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:38.239
think he's just going to randomly just take it off.

802
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.800
Don't be stupid, take this gun. And he doesn't, and

803
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.039
he chases ability out of the house and basically, you know,

804
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.039
just go do your thing whatever. So when he does

805
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.719
go and does what he said, he do, you know

806
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.360
what the scene that you're talking about when he goes

807
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.840
to plead and obviously he wants nothing to do with it,

808
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.239
and by then, you know, he gets the hand shot

809
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.559
with the bearing from the ball bearing like right through

810
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.119
the hand and then at that point he turned. So

811
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.039
I think those two things kind of go hand in

812
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.159
hand for the pivotal moment because one of them drives

813
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.079
him to the other point. So okay, that's fair, but

814
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.199
I agree with you on that. The major pivotal point

815
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.039
is when he's like, you know, what the hell with you,

816
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:20.880
I'm going to be the white man from town and

817
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.880
I'm going to put that curse on you, And they're

818
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.599
all laughing at him, like, yeah, you can't put a joke.

819
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.159
You can't put no curse on us. You're just a

820
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.360
white man from town. And then he calls his buddy

821
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.519
Richie and makes that happen. Yeah.

822
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:40.639
I meane one family uses the supernatural to get justice

823
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:42.320
and one family uses the hammer.

824
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.400
Yeah.

825
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.320
Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what, Dave. It is time

826
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:53.360
for a break. Unless you're listening on Patreon, because if

827
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.320
you're listening on Patreon, you're about to hear us give

828
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:04.480
our top ten favorite Stephen King adaptations. Just hit just

829
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.400
hit stop. If you're listening on Spotify, you're on Podbean

830
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.079
or Apple or one of those. We're on all of them,

831
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.440
I know that, but just hit just hit pause. Go

832
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:15.360
sign up for the free trial go to our you

833
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.280
know www dot Patreon dot com slash a film by podcast.

834
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.559
You could get all the bonus content. You can get

835
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:27.119
all the bonus episodes. There's like there's like forty fifty

836
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.719
sixty episodes now a bunch out there, a ton of

837
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.320
content there. You could go listen to it all right

838
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.800
now for free, yeah, or you could sign up for

839
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.920
as little as what three what's our The bottom tier

840
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.360
is three dollars, right yeah, yeah, So check us out

841
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.320
on Patreon where you can get Dave. We started doing

842
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.159
these this season. We started doing more episodes where we're

843
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.840
now doing longer episodes, but it's only longer. It's the

844
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.599
you know, if you're listening on Patreon, So listeners, if

845
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.440
you're interested, come check it out. Like I said, there's

846
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:01.360
a free trial offer and uh we had someone recently.

847
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.360
They signed up for the seven day free trial and

848
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.199
on day seven they canceled. So don't feel like it's like, ah,

849
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.760
well I'm stuck. Yeah No you're not. No, you're not.

850
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.519
You can get you can you know, you can listen

851
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.400
you know Columbia houses. As I say, get in there,

852
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:18.800
download a bunch of them, Listen to a bunch of them.

853
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.039
And then get out. You know, no gypsy curses. Yeah,

854
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:23.239
we promise you know, a.

855
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.239
Young listener's gonna have no idea about that comment you made.

856
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:31.440
The Columbia House. Yeah, and listen, anyone ever, probably thirty

857
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:32.480
five or forty they know what.

858
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:33.599
Them, they don't what we're talking about.

859
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.239
But for those of you that are not on Patreon,

860
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:45.360
we'll be right back after these messages. Welcome back. Apologies

861
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.039
for what was maybe thirty sixty seconds for you, It

862
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.079
has been what about good twenty minutes.

863
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:51.920
For us twenty minutes.

864
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.199
Yeah, listeners, I gotta tell you, you got to get

865
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:58.480
over to Patreon. We just had an incredible conversation about

866
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:04.079
our top ten Fai Stephen King adaptations, and uh, you

867
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.280
need to check it out. But yeah, while we're at it,

868
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:12.920
Dave getting back, getting back on track. If someone was

869
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:18.199
unfamiliar with director Tom Holland, let's talk about what three

870
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:22.119
films we would suggest they watch. I have a strong

871
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.280
suspicion that we're going to go three for three here,

872
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.320
and I'm so I'm so certain of it. I say

873
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.239
we go in chronological order. So can we start with

874
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.719
his feature film debut, nineteen eighty Five's Fright Night.

875
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.599
Of course be because that's fantastic.

876
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:41.000
You're so cool.

877
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:46.639
You're so cool. Brace and the awesome Chris Randon Christian

878
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:48.599
What a again?

879
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.679
This guy has played some of the most villainous people

880
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.400
on film, and yet he's the nicest guy when you

881
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.239
talk to him personally. It's the nicest guy on We

882
00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:59.960
did I I talked to him for like what Fifth

883
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.280
Team twenty minutes about organic farming, gardening.

884
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:04.440
Yeah, yeah, you did.

885
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.719
You're like, what do you you know? I find like

886
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.480
where you've been? Yeah, you guys were like I remember

887
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.480
you guys were like watching me and You're like, what

888
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:13.440
are you doing? Like, is he gonna do the show?

889
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:13.800
Is like?

890
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.559
What you talking movies? He's like, no, We've been talking

891
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.840
about organic farm h gardening, talking about the garden. I

892
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.679
gotta raise garden bed. I'm starting and said some great

893
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:26.400
tips and you're like, what, well what no, No, Saranda,

894
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.599
He's following him on Facebook and uh, and I don't

895
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.559
know what all I followhim on Facebook, so I don't

896
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:33.239
know what all the social media channels that he has,

897
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.760
but uh, he's got some some really good tips if

898
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.079
you're if you're trying to get a green thumb trying

899
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.199
to eat healthy. He's got some some amazing stuff to

900
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.000
tell you. But fright night, such an incredible The Vampire

901
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.079
movie celebrating forty years old.

902
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.159
Hard to believe, Hard to believe. Let's not forget about

903
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:54.480
mister McDowell in that movie.

904
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.840
Oh he's so good, Peter Vicky is.

905
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.440
So good in that movie. Yeah, love of my one

906
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.519
of my favorite performances of his, by the way, it

907
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.440
really is. Oh it's gotta be done a lot. He's

908
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:05.960
done a lot, but it's one of my favorites.

909
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.719
All right, all right, so we both recommend that one. Absolutely,

910
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.960
we do number number two. Now I'm starting to think

911
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:15.639
maybe we're gonna diverge here and when I tell you

912
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:18.400
my pick, you're gonna be like, oh, why did I

913
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.239
pick that? So can we just can we just skip

914
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:23.920
number two for a second and go to number three? Okay,

915
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:25.800
because we both know we're gonna talk about nineteen eighty

916
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:26.519
eighth Child's play.

917
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:27.480
Of course we are.

918
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.760
You have to let's talk, you, Dave. I'll take you're

919
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.039
my buddy. Uh of course, what is it? A friend

920
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:36.920
to the end or whatever? And to the end, Yeah,

921
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.400
you're my friend of the end. I'm you talk about

922
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:39.199
Child's Play.

923
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:41.840
So, of course another performance of Chris Frandon by the way,

924
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.920
who plays the police officer, the detective, and this, but

925
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.159
of course Braddorf, who gives his voice as Chucky the

926
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.000
Uh puts his spirit into the doll of Chucky and

927
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.119
goes a little crazy. Kid gets him for his birthday

928
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.440
and thinks he's got one of the best birthday presents

929
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.320
ever until it comes to life and tries to kill

930
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:04.920
freaking everybody.

931
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.360
Dave, correct me if I'm wrong, But having haven't you

932
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:12.119
met basically the entire cast of Child's Play at this.

933
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.800
Point, I haven't met the mom.

934
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:17.280
Oh, okay, she's the only one.

935
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.199
She's the only one left. I've met everybody else, including Bradworns.

936
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.159
Yeah, because you met Braddorf a couple of years ago.

937
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.000
Right. So I love these funny stories of meeting people

938
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.199
because they give you such a better look at the

939
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.119
movies than an appreciation of them. So with this, I

940
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:32.800
hope you don't mind going on a tangent here a

941
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:33.159
little bit.

942
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:33.920
No, no, please do.

943
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.880
So Wayne and I were at Dragon Con years ago

944
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.159
and Brad Dwarf was there and we got into this

945
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.679
elevator to go up, you know, to our room. We

946
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.039
did not know Brad Dwarf was in the elevator with

947
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.159
us because there was a it was a clouded packed

948
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.280
and we were going up and there's some people in

949
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:52.920
the back that were talking. You didn't know who they

950
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:59.719
were until Jeff until I heard the most ear shattering,

951
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.679
reepy laugh of all times. And immediately I'm like, oh

952
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:06.639
my god, that's chucky.

953
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:09.320
Wait was he doing it on perp like it? Was

954
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:11.920
he doing the Chucky laugh? Or was he just laughing

955
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:12.559
and that's his laugh?

956
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.239
He was laughing and that was his laugh. Oh my

957
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:19.599
Like literally I had goosebumps running up and down my spine, like,

958
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.280
oh my god, Chuck, he's in this elevator with us.

959
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.199
So I turned around to look into the back and

960
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:27.480
saw Braddorf at that point, but oh my god, that

961
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:28.079
was creepy.

962
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.119
Oh man, And I know you mest some of the cast.

963
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.960
Last year at Scarefest, I did Alex Vincent, who is

964
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:35.400
the kid.

965
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:37.159
He plays the young kid.

966
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.199
He plays the young young boy in it, So yeah, absolutely,

967
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:42.519
And of course Tom Holland obviously is the latest one.

968
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:46.599
So yeah, keep it on hoole till I can meet

969
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.519
the mom and get her autograph. I still need Chris

970
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:50.719
Rand's autographer, crying off to I hope we meet him again.

971
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.400
Well, listen, we'll we'll talk gardening with him, and he's

972
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.119
just there. We go, maybe he'll maybe he'll write down

973
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.199
some tips on your on your on the poster or

974
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.559
something like that. Like, yeah, I wanted to skip there

975
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.400
because I knew that we were gonna talk Child's Play

976
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.719
and I knew that Chris Saranon it's a good, good

977
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.480
way to connect fright night in Child's Play. So here's

978
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:15.400
why we might diverge. What would be your second choice?

979
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:22.719
So I'm going with the TV series Tales from the Crypt. Interesting,

980
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:25.239
Why what is yours? Jeff?

981
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:30.960
I'm going with the TV series. Oh, because I know amazing,

982
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.840
amazing stories. Okay, So okay, so should this be like

983
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:40.079
reversed that's amazing, Like, well, it's it's amazing stories for me.

984
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:43.480
But I typically because you and Wayne love amazing stories,

985
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:45.840
like you know you guys, can we do quote every episode?

986
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:46.199
I think?

987
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:47.960
But and I'm the Tales from the Crypt guy. But

988
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.159
tell me tell me about the Tales from the Crypt

989
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:50.519
that he did.

990
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.800
So he's actually did three episodes he's done from season

991
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:57.280
one season two and season four. He did the episode

992
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:00.079
five and season one called Lover Come Hack to Me

993
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.639
that was done in nineteen eighty nine. He did season

994
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:08.239
two episode nine, four Sighted Triangle in nineteen ninety and

995
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:11.119
then in season four episode nine, he did King of

996
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.679
the Road in nineteen ninety two. I hope a lot

997
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:15.840
of people have done or watch Tales from the Crypt

998
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.920
because there's a lot of great episodes with the Cryp Creeper,

999
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.639
you know, telling the stories obviously, but it's interesting that

1000
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:23.440
we both picked TV series.

1001
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:30.360
Yeah. So in nineteen eighty six he did amazing stories.

1002
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.760
He did an episode I know you've seen it. It

1003
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:38.400
was called Miscalculation. Spielberg co wrote this episode, by the way,

1004
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.920
and it started very I'm gonna tell you the name,

1005
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:43.519
I'm gonna give you the actor. And you're like, oh,

1006
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.239
hold on, I remember, but a very young John Cryer

1007
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:51.119
was in this episode. Okay, if you remember, he was

1008
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:54.039
the nerdy college kid that you know. He had trouble

1009
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.920
meeting girls. So he creates a potion and it makes

1010
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.840
the magazine like the Hot Maga see pin up girls

1011
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:01.639
like come to life.

1012
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:03.599
Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

1013
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.280
I always remember this one because it's it's sort of

1014
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:07.719
like weird science in a way, okay, except like he

1015
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:09.880
can't get the potion in the formula. He can't get

1016
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.079
it right, so like there's some some wacky stuff that

1017
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.480
goes that that happens throughout the episode, like things things

1018
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.800
go a little wrong, you know, gets a little little weird.

1019
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.159
But I always remember like like, yeah, like that'd be

1020
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.719
so cool if you could come up with a potion

1021
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.280
like that. But then not the way he's doing it.

1022
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:26.599
Not at all.

1023
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:30.679
We have you noticed this season we've tell from the

1024
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.599
Crypt and amazing Stories keep popping up.

1025
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.800
I have. I'm ready to buy both both of them.

1026
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:37.639
I agree, man, I'd like to dig back in. And

1027
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.360
there's some many episodes I don't remember. It'd be nice

1028
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:40.039
to go through them again.

1029
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:41.920
It'd be nice if we had time to do like

1030
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.400
a Amazing Stories recap or tell some Krip recap or

1031
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:50.000
boy Wayne will be all over that because he loved

1032
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.400
Amazing Stories. Well maybe in like twenty twenty seven, twenty

1033
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.880
twenty eight, like weird, we're a little we're a little booked.

1034
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.440
Until then, it's just a little bit, just a little bit,

1035
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:05.199
all right, h Dave, let's wrap up your recommendation. When

1036
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.400
it comes to Thinnish, definitely check it out.

1037
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:10.920
Just watch out for the gypsies. Don't don't piss them off.

1038
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.639
I think this is a must for king completists. Uh

1039
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.960
and it's a fun cautionary tale, it is, you know.

1040
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.159
Just just tell the truth, be honest, own up to

1041
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.280
your mistakes, you know, watch what you say, and do

1042
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:30.920
be respectful to the gypsies. Dave, I know we watched

1043
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:35.519
this on Amazon Prime, rented it. You can. You can

1044
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.599
watch this for free on Pluto TV right now, okay

1045
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.039
free with ads. You know, Pluto we don't talk about

1046
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:43.840
We don't talk a lot about Pluto or enough about

1047
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:48.480
Pluto because we're you know, we are we're to be

1048
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.519
like to B doesn't to be should be a sponsor

1049
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:55.280
at this point I should reach out to Yeah, they

1050
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.679
get a lot of they get a lot of a

1051
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.519
lot of promos from us, they get a lot they do. Yeah,

1052
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.280
Pluto TV does not, and we should change that. We'll

1053
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:06.519
watch more on Pluto TV. But yeah, definitely check this

1054
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:10.559
one out. Listeners. For those of you that have seen it,

1055
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.239
what did you think of Thinner? More importantly, do you

1056
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.440
have a favorite Stephen King adaptation. You can let us

1057
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.320
know on social media. You'll find us on Facebook, Instagram, x.

1058
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.320
You can check out a film by Podcast dot com

1059
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.199
for all of our episodes streaming free. Well not all

1060
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.800
of them, Dave. There's a Patreon link there, but let's

1061
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:34.079
not forget. There are plenty of free episodes on Patreon

1062
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.280
and all you need to do to listen to them

1063
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.079
is just sign up for the free membership. That's right,

1064
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.840
there's a free membership. You won't get all of them,

1065
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:44.760
but do you do, Dave? We try to do what

1066
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:48.079
like one, sometimes two episodes a month on Patriot that

1067
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.800
are free. Yeah, check it out. Check it out. You

1068
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.320
can write to us at a film by Podcast at

1069
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:58.159
gmail dot com with your questions, comments and concerns. We

1070
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.280
might just read your response or your question, or your

1071
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.199
gripe or your curse, whatever it is that you're throwing,

1072
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.360
whatever it is, whatever it is, we might. We might,

1073
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.440
we might read it on the show, and if we do,

1074
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:13.880
we will absolutely send you some of a film by swag. Dave.

1075
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.719
I want to thank you. I know how you are

1076
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.559
so busy on the bridge of the enterprise. You got

1077
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.760
you and and Wayne and Scott giving us the Phasers

1078
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:27.159
set a stun Star Trek show that we do on Wednesdays.

1079
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:29.519
We love it. We love being on that bridge. You're

1080
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.480
talking about Star Trek because, as we always say, everything

1081
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:33.000
comes back to Star Trek. Yeah.

1082
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:36.119
Yeah, you guys are in the middle of your it's

1083
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.360
what the Deep Space nine yeah series where you guys,

1084
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.320
you guys are doing the starter treks where you're giving

1085
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.239
us like the the top ten episodes of this season.

1086
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.719
Yep, because like we do it the next generation yep.

1087
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.960
Hey, listen, I was not a T and G guy

1088
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.920
before you guys started that, and then I love the

1089
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.320
Next Generation because of your curated lists as as they were.

1090
00:55:58.840 --> 00:55:59.119
Yeah.

1091
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.800
So yeah, I might just become a Deep Space not

1092
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:02.119
on guy.

1093
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:03.719
You might. You probably will.

1094
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:06.639
I'm not there yet, but you know you're slowly winning

1095
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:13.159
me over, so uh but you get me back. This

1096
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.440
is listen, this is your month. It's October. You love

1097
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.360
horror films. You're gonna be back later this month? Are

1098
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:20.559
you gonna You're gonna sit in with us, me and

1099
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:21.480
Garrett at doing Hatchet?

1100
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.159
Well, yeah, Adam freen film that one because that's the

1101
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:25.199
Kane Hotger right.

1102
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.400
Yeah. Yeah, so of course I figured I figured you'd

1103
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:29.840
be a little upset if we didn't invite it for that.

1104
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.840
But what about uh, you got you got one that

1105
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:36.039
you've been after me for several years now, demanding that

1106
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.559
we covered you want you wanna tell the listeners what

1107
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:40.239
we're gonna in the in the month with.

1108
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.400
So, I remember last year, I think it was in October.

1109
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.559
Actually when I saw this, I caught this movie again

1110
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:48.239
and I forgot how much I loved it. Of course,

1111
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.719
I'm talking about the Blob. Yeah, So, and I'm not

1112
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.400
talking the original Bob Blob. This is the one that

1113
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:55.880
they remade with at eighty nine.

1114
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:58.519
I want to say, eighty eight, eighty eight, eighty eight

1115
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:00.559
you want to give you yeah, Kevin Dillane, Yeah.

1116
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.280
The Kevin dillon that. Yeah, So that's the one I'm

1117
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.960
talking about. I really enjoyed that film a lot. It's

1118
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:08.159
a lot of fun. It's creepy, the Blob itself. I mean,

1119
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.719
there's some really good special effects in that movie. So,

1120
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:12.679
and I reached out to you said, Jeff, we need

1121
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:14.480
to talk about this movie and guess what we're going

1122
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:16.679
to do it this October. We're talking the Blob.

1123
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:18.360
It's like a couple of years ago, like what about

1124
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:20.000
the Blob, was like, I don't know. And then last

1125
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:23.199
year like we're doing the Blob. It's like, we don't

1126
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:25.440
with a schedule set, and then this year you're like

1127
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:29.719
the Blob, Chuck Russell, the Blob, Kevin Dylan, Shawnie Smith

1128
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.920
was like, we're doing it all right, the Blob oozing

1129
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.320
its way to the show at the end of the month.

1130
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:37.679
Speaking at the end of the month, you guys, at

1131
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:40.440
the end of the month, last Saturday on Patreon because

1132
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:42.480
it all comes back to track. But it also all

1133
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:46.559
comes back to Patreon right now, a film at fifty

1134
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:50.519
there's only one movie you guys should be doing in October,

1135
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.039
and please tell me you're doing it.

1136
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:55.559
Of course, we're gonna do it, Jeff. We're gonna warp.

1137
00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:58.320
We're gonna do the time warp. Jeff.

1138
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.480
Should we Should I step to the left and should

1139
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:01.320
I said to the ride.

1140
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:03.920
Either one is fine. So that's right, We're doing the

1141
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.159
Rocky Horror Picture Show.

1142
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:09.280
I'm so excited for that, so exclusively on Patreon.

1143
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.719
Right, that's right, exclusively all you heard it.

1144
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:17.039
You heard it here first Boils and Gules. Uh, it's October.

1145
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.719
We're leaning heavily into the scary stuff, and we've got

1146
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.280
some really fun episodes and uh, Dave, happily we'll be

1147
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.599
back for a couple more so. Absolutely to all of

1148
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:31.119
you listening to the show, following us on social media,

1149
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:42.039
subscribing to the Patreon, we thank you. He was also

1150
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:47.360
nominated for Best Pick. He was also nominated for Best Makeup.

1151
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.719
Just almost take that from the top. First off, we

1152
00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:00.159
First off, we'll take a fucking drink. Mm hmmm, I

1153
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:04.480
got a gypsy curse on me. Hell like you touched

1154
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:11.000
my face, was like recipy. Sorry. You gotta get together,

1155
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:15.480
all right. Appreciative of you guys. Uh, you make it

1156
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:20.400
possible for this is killing me. Man, I'm I'm just

1157
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:25.400
like raspy. I gotta wrap it up. You'd be happy

1158
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:31.440
with I'll tell you is that one was? Ah fucking

1159
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.519
it up, Dave. Yeah, we've choking to death.

1160
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:37.679
You gotta be covering now, damn it.

1161
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.960
Sorry. Sorry m